"Hypocrisy" | Asmongold Reacts

Moist Critical responds to Twitch Hypocrisy accusations.
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[@Greenhead24]

When he laughed I didn’t think he was being hypocritical I thought he was thinking to himself how ridiculous it is

[@andrewevans930]

Me too, and Asmon comparing this to a cigarette ad specifically made to target children is maybe his dumbest take ever

[@cooperramos2700]

@@ScottyDoesntKnow69 there’s a degree of separation with the account making. Porn being shown is different than a non explicit ad for a porn website that doesn’t directly lead to porn. And he even called it out anyway. Not hypocritical at all

[@Greenhead24]

@@andrewevans930 and being apathetic to the situation is no better for those people that say it has nothing to do with me so i dont care. Thats what the slippery slope turns into a run away mountain and cant be reversed

[@andrewevans930]

@@NeoSmoke yeah, those were a thing when I was a kid. That’s bad and actually advertising smoking to children. That said, just putting a cigarette ad on something like the streamer awards is not the same as exactly explicitly targeting children. Asmon seems to think this Fansly as is the exact same as candy cigarettes, and I don’t agree at all

[@MsPpena91]

Its the same thing just called "soft core porn" moist is just moving the goal post.

[@indmur]

For me the problem isn't an issue of "think of the kids". It's more that this stuff is being pushed on EVERY site there is. Especially Twitch. On KZbin it's a bunch of bots. On Twitch this shit is being promoted. Every site nowadays has practically soft-core porn, at the least. It's mainly the 13 - 21 crowd I'm more worried about. Because the porn is different now. It's not just porn. These ads and bots and creators prey on lonely people, especially men, or rather boys in this case, with false relationships. They are marketing parasocial sexual relationships. That will fuck up a developing brain beyond belief. Seeking out and watching porn is one thing. But being lonely and having these fake sexual and even romantic relationships being thrown at you from every site nowadays is fucked. The next problem is these porn creators want to have it both ways. They want to say that they are providing a service and yet want to be seen as only an individual and not a business at the same time. Imagine selling bread but instead of just doing the job and keeping emotions out of it, you sell the bread by begging and crying about how you never had food growing up. It's pathetic. These streamers and other creators will flirt and tease with their largely underaged audience as an advertisement for their adult content. It's disgusting. Because they know children are jerking off to them, but they don't care because it's just the money. And instead of doing it honestly by just making adult content and advertising it as is, they will prey on people who already have a parasocial relationship with them. A counter argument to this is that it's just advertising for a product, like with anything else. This is a braindead take. Sexuality, or lack thereof for some, plays a HUGE role in our brain chemistry and emotional state. This stuff isn't as innocent as advertising a chair. You are dealing with a different beast entirely. You CANNOT treat adult content as a generic product, because it's way more than that. This is especially true for those in the true targeted demographic of adult content. I say true because none of these people will say they sell porn to kids. But they know it, and we know it. It's unspoken but it's true and anyone who is naive or delusional enough to believe they aren't selling their stuff to a kid is far too innocent, ironically. I believe you need to be 13+ to use Twitch. So why is anything like this allowed? And even promoted? You can talk about the Superbowl all you want, but once you VERIFY an age, any age, you make content appropriate for the minimum age. The exception to this is clearly explicit content, which must verify 18. But Twitch might as well be the search engine for OnlyFans at this point. So yes, technically they don't need to verify 18+, since there is no nudity, but holy fuck it might as well be. This is NOT the same as a Superbowl advertisement because they don't verify the age, they go based on the target demographic, which is generally older men and women into sports. In that sense Twitch would be better off if it had no age verification, because they could claim ignorance. Now, they KNOW 13 year olds watch this stuff, and they are going so far as promoting it. TLDR: Don't let them prey on your emotions, and fuck Twitch.

[@ssparaz2479]

Holy sh*^ that an hold essay

[@hhhnfryhgf9560]

Fr they even want us to accept our parents, teachers, and siblings to do it. If they had it there way it would literally be every where

[@WrangleMcDangle]

@@ssparaz2479 and he's got damn right

[@Xzilerating]

This is the best summary of this situation with only fans etc BY FAR. Bravo well said

[@leemo1439]

This is a really great statement about whole thing, it would terrify me to be in my early teens on the internet with how shit is being run these days

[@ShiroRX]

The hypocrisy comes from claiming hottub streamers arent a porn gateway when Amo makes tens of millions a year. If Twitch wasnt a gateway to porn in that case I dont know what is.

[@jordanf8797]

i dont understand people who buy subscription crates/boxes either. or OF subbers. Remember the dude who donated his rent to that twitch girl? totally casual about being homeless next month? can you be so down bad that you no longer care about anything?

[@brilobox2]

@@HDGaminTutorials I understand people who watch it, just not the people who pay for it.

[@SC2TiMeLorD]

Amo can take a massive dick, just sayin

[@pyrojkl]

@@jordanf8797 i mean porn is very destructive to many parts of modern life due to its ease of access and ability to break down relationships. OF and other sites just expand on this gratification and this doesnt even count the number of stories of girls being exploited to make these videos let alone human trafficking's

[@awtodor]

Because it's a woman in a bikini. If you think that's a gateway to porn then bro you got major issues and shouldn't be on the internet

[@ArcaeaLpayer]

I love being a KZbin Frog, I can just sit here, eat popcorn, reading comments that doesn't mean anything significant, and listen to asmongold and Charlie duo

[@cy-taku3952]

You're just like me fr fr

[@targetisstrong9180]

Common yt frog W

[@beridledodopidop4822]

@@ThwipThwipBoom one of me

[@llemmeedititrealquicklilshi]

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[@christiank7166]

​@@ThwipThwipBoom we out making the big money King

[@gercuy]

asmongold and charlie ignored one big thing. in the award show, they told the viewers that there are behind the scenes videos in the fansly site. they encouraged everyone to go to that site

[@angelo423]

And adin ross SHOWED THE PORN, no pay wall, no link, just boom pussy. People really in denial about common logic and reason.

[@Calasso_]

Hypocritical or not, their followers will support them. It is what it is. The person who made that zoomer video tried to farm content from shit, similar to what Ludwig, Asmon and others drama andies does.

[@xquarles2000]

I think the core issue is whether minors where directly exposed to graphic sexual content even if they encouraged ppl to go there (which is functionally the same as the ad it self) a kid watching would still have to go out of their way to go to the site sing up and then choose to ignore the fact that it's a adult site

[@Calasso_]

Btw, the only way to cancel someone for good is to deplataform them.

[@DjuraValtr]

I mean if people really have an issue with it then blame twitch for supporting 18+ content. Why blame the streamers when they're just doing an ad roll that's been approved by twitch for a sponsorship.

[@_S0Y]

What I don't seem to get is; Didn't Twitch, themselves sponsor QT's event? And they were OKAY being paired up with Fansly? After directly streamers cannot directly advert their own pages? What am I missing

[@swagmessiah666]

you are missing the point that twitch viewers are more willing to forgive a company for hypocrisy rather than streamers, and streamers themselves wont try to confront their sponsors about their hypocrisy either.

[@Flapjack3734]

I think most people know they cant change this wack company’s policies on their own, similar to how when twitch allowed gambling, people were very pessimistic that it would ever get changed. But the creators are more human & open to change (and less likely to handle being called out for hypocrisy), which could lead to some form of actual change later on, similar to how Poki and Hasan did that whole thing against twitch gambling and then some action was finally taken for the whole website.

[@franciscolaurean8550]

Because they don't make money but if they get a cut of the pie they're ok with it

[@DarkerCry]

Issue I find, you have people saying that gambling streams are a gateway to real gambling (true) but also you have this other gateway targeting minors on stream but yet Twitch knows it's their cash cow and allow it. At least Kick knows what it is lol

[@Fauxmadd]

Its more like advertising gambling (which we have) and seeing a person actual gamble for stream. Two different things. A 15-20 second gambling ad will not do the same as your popular streamer streaming it, especially if they do it for a long time.

[@DarkerCry]

@@Fauxmadd I just mean it's clear that they banned gambling because they didn't feel like it financially hurt them and they tip toe around things like onlyfans girls streaming to kids just because they don't believe they can take the hit. So while I can agree gambling is worse, I can at least appreciate it when a site is honest about what it's serving. This makes it easier for parents to know which sites they can block as well, most parents probably think their kid only watches minecraft or something on Twitch tbh. So while I agree with you I just think Twitch should just open up an only fans competitor lol

[@RobotMasterSplash]

​@@zegrasisinnocent You think people should stick to a bad opinion instead of thinking and changing their minds? What a moron you must be in real life.

[@cosmicabyss7358]

Yeah yet children gambling on mobile games is totally fine to people. Lol

[@harutherogue5116]

​@@zegrasisinnocent that's because the gambling started to pervade every video game around

[@wowza9270]

The problem is that creators like qt will feign disgust and try to cancel people but then turn around and get a porn ad as soon as it is good for her. If it were up to her people like trainwrecks or atrioc would never be on then internet again but maya is her BFF

[@sequoia7284]

Porn ad does not equal porn.

[@Ethopiryna]

@@sequoia7284 but it does, being 13 years old and seeing it makes You wanna check it out or worse, is already done.

[@jefrey488]

​@@sequoia7284😂

[@cmoney163]

@@Ethopiryna Pretty sure they were joking, at least I hope so lol

[@ginkowave5829]

​@@sequoia7284 Yes, yes it does.

[@xjustsomeguyx1554]

What pisses me off is they are using the cop out excuse "well twitch already does it" implying they have no morals themselves when they go along with things like this. Just because there isn't tits in your face immediately doesn't mean it's not immoral advertising NSFW pornstar streamers to an audience that I have to assume is predominantly children/teens. Streamers are starting to go all hollywood on us and they dont even realize it. Fame and fortune really is the root of all evil. Edit: "its immoral" changed to "it's not immoral"

[@bhavrajthind8396]

I agree, and Charlie's example also sucked. Just because there's strip club billboards doesn't mean it's a good thing, or excusable. Those are also a bad thing

[@noanfelipe4753]

He literally said it was a bad thing on video, so null point.

[@bhavrajthind8396]

But why isn't QT allowed to be held to the same standard as adin? Regardless of whether his situation was worse, doesn't mean the awards shouldn't be held account either. It's just clear bias on Charlie's part

[@xjustsomeguyx1554]

@@bhavrajthind8396 was literally just about to make this same comment. Makes an entire video to shame and humiliate adin Ross for showing a few seconds of explicit content. Makes an entire video to defend himself and QT for defending their stance on advertising porn to kids. Hmm...I would say that's pretty hypocritical no? Its bad but I better not make a video that explains why its not so bad and why its okay for my friends to do.

[@LiveIRLViewer]

@@bhavrajthind8396 Adin's stream was age restricted. Moist Critical videos are not age restricted furthemore, moist admitted that the he didn't check that it was so easy for a child to to acess Fansly. What Moist did was 100x worse.

[@Alcoatk]

Asmongold take: "It's different, but same. But still different, but same same."

[@cmoney163]

Ikr all he needs to do is just say “yes we’re all hypocrites” and everyone will move on from this lol

[@AmazingAutist]

Charlie wasn't being a hypocrite though. He doesn't approve of it, and he laughed because it was absurd. The advertisement was advertising a pornography site, which is still wrong, but it is not at all like showing apps for hardcore porn to children live on stream.

[@Dustman1028]

I think the difference is that Fansly is age gated with a paywall to see the content, what Adin did was show straight up porn. Also my daughter has gotten adds for alcohol and horror films when those are strictly for 18+ and 21+.

[@TheMakAbideth]

Why do streamers always have to be "friends" with each other? What's wrong with just being on the same platform and having little to no feelings for each other?

[@AlexMoffet]

Because it benefits them, because if someone is friends with Hasan although he is a nasty person, they now have access to his fanbase which might migrate into their streams

[@zlet]

They all work for the same company thats linked to Disney. They're colleagues and not independent.

[@hei7846]

@@AlexMoffet Weirdo behaviour. Calling a completely unrelated person nasty

[@mayconlcruz]

Because of Networking. It's easier to promote your content and have visibility if you have some level of relationship with other fellow career colleagues, especially on a algorithm-based platform.

[@krpajda]

Twitch bans you for being mean to other streamers lol theyd literally get fired if they didn't pretend to be friends all the time

[@DaveedTurningHeel]

Charlie saying that there is content on Twitch like this isn't clearing him or QT of any wrong doing, it just implicates Twitch in the wrong doing. All he did was expand the list of suspects.

[@JayneAFK]

A bot stole your comment.

[@JDubules]

11:02 Idk what wrongdoing you mean on Charlie's end, he explicitly says fansly shouldn't be advertised to underage audiences, time stamp above. Also, most of what he addressed was the fallacies present in most arguments against him, like the whole Aiden Ross shit, which is a very different kind of situation entirely. Like charlie doesn't disagree about the fansly shit, but at the same time, if people are too timid to call out the advertised pornography that has been present in the real world for years, and only attack a medium out of convenience, then people don't care as much as they say.

[@nemanjaugljesic8911]

isnt Charlie a friend whit Ludwig and they own an e sport team together? it was Ludwigs decition for Fansly being promoted if im not mistaken so it makes sense that he diodnt wanted to call out Qutie for it

[@nemanjaugljesic8911]

@@zegrasisinnocent THEY ARE FOR SURE FAR REMOVED FROM WHATS CONSIDER A NORMALITY OR STANDARD OF HUMAN BEHAVIOUR, WHEN YOU CLOUT CHASE FOR A LONG TIME IT DOES MESSES WHIT YOUR BRAIN AND THE ABILITY TO SEPERATE GOOD FROM BAD, ITS VERRY INTERESTING TO OBSERVE THEM, THEY ARE LIKE A NEW SPIECES TO ME, SO DISTANT IN THINKING AND FAR FROM MY BELIEF SYSTEM WHICH MAKES SENSE CAUSE I LEAN MORE RIGHT AND TWITCH IS MOSTLY LIBERAL OR EVEN VERRY RADICALLY LEFT WHEN IT COMES TO BELIEF SYSTEM AND POLITICS

[@plzdontgasme233]

​@A man with one hand nah they're rich they have no incentive to throw business partners to the sharks cause that would affect their bottom line. Truth is, we share nothing in common with these people besides finding them entertaining. They act morally superior to get more consumers when they don't really care, almost like companies do.

[@thorsday121]

Most of the big Twitch streamers are deeply connected either by business or social ties like that. There's a very large "in-group" and unless someone does something truly heinous or illegal then they'll close ranks and defend their own. It's sad.

[@DecayedPony]

Guess thats why its important to not care about the morality or personal lives of these streamers and view them for what they are. Entertainment. Nothing more nothing less. When I'm watching a TV show, I don't care what the actors are doing outside of the show like some soccer mom reading gossip magazines.

[@plzdontgasme233]

@Sappy898 Agreed, only topic on Twitch that ever got me to write a comment about it. They're nothing but entertainment, nothing more.

[@Jamesmyboy1]

Issue here is that the bathtub streamers ARE being intentionally sexual. It is 100% an ad for their sexual content, which is why they go to every length imaginable to show off thier bodies. This isn't an issue if its on a porn site because it's expected, but on twitch you can have a porn streamer being recommended to kids, and even if they arent being recommended some of these people are huge and collab with other "non-porn" streamers exposing them to way more ppl. Think amouranth going on xQc's stream for hours, and then all the kids who look her up and get sucked into the parasocial camgirl porn hole. It's disgusting, and disingenuous to suggest it's an innocent coincidence

[@Jetashii]

Not just that, Fansly has legitimate free porn on their website all it takes is a couple scrolls. Moistcritikal is just running damage control and looking clueless

[@Jetashii]

@ΛZΛMI Simply put, because a majority of men don't get these interactions in there day to day life so they look else where for a similar experience.

[@Jamesmyboy1]

@@Milky____ the parent argument is ridiculous, most parents don’t have the time to helicopter over their kids internet usage. Between a phone and pc, their kids are gonna see shit their parents simply won’t know about. Most people agree with this, so porn is pretty segregated from the general internet space. If you look it up on your own that’s one thing but being actively recommended and encouraged to seek out porn from a streamer is very different

[@seize2179]

You baboon, they’re both bad. The argument is about which is worse, showing a suggestive ad to a porn site or just straight up showing porn. I can’t for the life of me think that showing porn is the same as giving the option to not be exposed to it unwillingly by having you commit to searching the advertised website after the stream.

[@roll3r]

Why is OF not allowed to be promoted on Twitch yet this Fansly managed to get promoted when it’s effectively the same thing?

[@awtodor]

Fansly is a monetized instagram just fyi, it's not aimed at pornographic material

[@sgtsage2]

@@awtodor Have you forgotten onlyfans didn't start off with the intention of hosting inhuman amounts of degeneracy? Fansly is the Kick of Onlyfans

[@awtodor]

@@sgtsage2 nah I was wrong and didn't delete, I was thinking of FanHouse

[@Coronaandvirus]

They are part of the same house, difference, Adin showed the window where you can see the content, QT showed the door, but they action is the same, leading people to the same content in this case unluky for QT children were in the public

[@anigmatic2949]

I never heard of fansly. With how it was presented I would assume it is a supplemental/ alternative twitch service lol.

[@sjninja]

Asmon's comparison to putting Fansly ads in Toys-R-Us would be like the "adult video" section in and movie store. Kids see the sign. Know what it means. And you could say its advertising it.

[@sjninja]

@@sgnox7781 so you're saying kids lying and getting access to porn is not like kids sneaking into a section where porn is to have access to it? The dont have to steal it to see it its on all of the covers. I was just pointing out the barrier to access is pretty low in both regards. But advertising it is not so unethical when there still is a barrier to access.

[@eat-lc5rx]

Honestly, the funneling people directly from twitch to fansly, including using their twitch login... yeah that doesn't seem safe, secure, or all that wise. There's too many ways I can see that going really badly litigation wise years from now. Similar to youtube kids app sending shit they shouldn't have and the drama that came from that. Pretty easy to see how twitch could fall into that trap, doubly so if its set up to funnel people there.

[@bonjourbonjour2754]

Moistcritical when you adjust what you say about Fansly it was ALREADY AFTER HER VIDEO you absolute hypocrite. And Asmon didn't notice lmao! Asmon thinks Mukitty forgot that part. no he just waited for mukitty video to say it.... he is a hypocrite yes

[@bonjourbonjour2754]

Moist who forget to say that Adin who only allowing 18+ on his stream is in the same way disingenuous an hypocritical... Did he forget that part as he blame Mukitty for missing a part? Moist you are as bad as all these people..

[@samknight4078]

Its like telling a kid how and where to buy crack vs giving them the crack yourself. Both are bad but one is worse

[@lordtouchme]

that's a damn good analogy

[@eszefvsdf]

Give a kid drugs and he will be high for a day. Teach a kid to buy drugs and he will grow up to be a crackhead

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@JS-oh2dp Both showing kids porn and directing kids to porn are extremely bad. Yes one is worse than the other but both are criminal or borderline criminal

[@kavinh10]

@@JS-oh2dp your point was nonsense and just being a whiteknight. You had no point you're just a fanboy

[@jamqdlaty]

Not giving crack, but forcing to take crack.

[@mrfailure93]

Easy argument to this is cigarettes. They used to be advertised everywhere. Now no motorsports or sports team will have a cigarette company labeled on them. Look at marlboro and ferrarri. They took the name out of the logo, to keep the sponsorship. The argument was proven to enough people, that advertising cigarettes period was telling kids to smoke. Agree with that or not, that was the precedence set. So advertising porn on something kids watch is the same thing. You don't see cigarette adds during the streamer awards do you?

[@cepheibaw]

I remember this interview with a fan of an NHL club. The way they set up the interview showed him in a completely crazy light. That his whole life was devoted to his favorite club. A crazy obsession, but the reality was quite different and the fan I remember spoke out against it and even made his own video to show how they had edited the video to make him look crazy, I don't listen to the news the same way since then.

[@cmoney163]

Yeah the it’s pretty fucked up the way media makes people look crazy just to get views, clicks, etc. I actually worked with this dude that was on My Strange Addiction, he was the guy that picks up roadkill, and he does it because his dog got ran over and killed so he just feels sympathy towards the animals that are road killed; anyways, he said said he felt the show made him look like a crazy weirdo and he regrets going on the show. They also only gave him like $200 lol

[@_Jashawuh]

How can someone get blamed for an Ad on someone else's video?

[@GreaterIsHeAmen]

Yup, hypocritical. The lengthy explanation for QT. Downplaying it all for a friend

[@KamyFX]

Both bad, both valid points, one is immediately bad and the other is bad with extra steps, it all led kids to porn, you can make the argument that at least Adin stream got 18+ wall to watch the stream but still kids use the website and lie like every website. I think Charlie's reaction was laughing at how strange it is, but Hasan who was literally using the argument that Adin can facelegal charges then support a stream who does the same thing is hypothetical, he literally read an article say "advertising porn to minor will result in legal charges" or something like that, and especially qt who said OKAY to run the add.

[@naosou921]

It is like comparing someone flashing you their dick with someone telling you where you can go see a dick. You can say both are bad on principle, but in practice it is much different. Adin's unprompted porn stream is not at all the same with a legal advertisement that, while risque, doesn't really show anything.

[@diamonje]

16:18 It's not about whether it's ok or not. It's about Twitch's responsibility to look good for their shareholders and for ad companies. As soon as one or both of those groups has a problem with linktree it would be gone as well.

[@fluxdesiqn97]

This is such an online issue no really gives a shit about an advertisement about fansly people just make these videos for views. We all understand showing porn on stream is weird and shouldn't happen but the fansly ad is no worse than things we have all seen on tv for years.

[@cameronhales7472]

Charlie is actually chatting shit here i cant lie

[@saltyboi4897]

Lets be honest here... if it was anyone else's award show and it played a porn (fansly) ad right after a kids (mario kart) ad. Moist would have 100% made a video calling it out.

[@GoldNargacuga]

We called it y'all! Twitch the new cam site!!! Aww fuck.

[@eszefvsdf]

Just chatting has always been that. Just that they also have kids watching

[@dankduelzperuvian]

This happened like 10 years ago though

[@Vunderbread]

If a grown man’s only audience is entirely composed of children, I think THAT is weird.

[@jordanf8797]

i don't think weird quantifies... whats the step up from weird

[@paimonisfood4986]

Who are you talking about?

[@hhhnfryhgf9560]

Huh? Its always a mix of both. Adins audience ranges from 13-25 most likely.

[@blossomcherrypink]

well that alone isn't weird, because a grown man teaching a kindergarten class obviously has an audience composed entirely of children and it's not weird.

[@Vunderbread]

@@paimonisfood4986 Moist. Asmon has a huge audience of men in their 20s and 30s, but I’m not sure I can say the same for Moist. I don’t have any stats to back that up, and am only judging based on the comments, but it’s not hard to get a good idea of the age range.

[@Nao-pj7mc]

The problem with fansly is that you can literally access the website without ever saying that youre over 18 if you login through certain accounts and those accounts dont even have to be accounts where you said you were over 18.

[@firstnamelastname6699]

exactly. kick is more age gated than fansly but that doesn't fit the narrative 😂

[@barthok433]

Like its matter lmao, u know these damn kid just click ok and continue

[@BaneRain]

These ppl are all getting trolled by mukitty and not realizing it.

[@sytse1228]

exposed asmongold's blizzard level damage control

[@TinyTank4Live]

Now I do wonder what Moist thinks about zapping trough channels at night as a child and suddenly being exposed to porn

[@TheDarkLasombra]

He probably thinks their parents should be parents and not depend on the internet to raise their kids.

[@jaroslavik9611]

Ad encouraging to pay for porn is worse than showing porn imo.

[@nikitamarynich1794]

facts

[@FriendlyGoblinWasTaken]

No, it isn't, its just not

[@Jinzouningen17]

charlie out of his mind, a stream that's already requiring you to be an adult even showing porn is not as bad as an all ages event showing a porn ad. this argument is dumb

[@redridingcape]

I'm surprised you would say a Fansly ad is the same as showing porn on stream, yet then think that a hot tub stream is completely different. Hot tub is definitely different than porn, but they're on the same spectrum, as you said about the Fansly ad and Pornhub.

[@CT-zg2mh]

Advertising Fansly is like holding up a pron magazine without opening it. Charlie calling saying it's "bad" is a cop out. He never laid QT out for doing it. A streamer awards event with essentially a pron sponsor is what she was called out for. It was not like it was her personal stream. It was bigger than that. QT was just thinking of the sponsorship where hundreds of thousands could watch giving that exposure to everyone. How many who watched the streamer awards knew there was going to be a fansly ad? "Soft Pron" is a thing. Twitch allows hot tub streams because the money rolls in. They did not allow it at first. Money changed that. Remind me on the rules on men being shirtless again?

[@StriKe_jk]

He knows he is wrong, he backpaddles and admit its not okay, but has his ego to high to admit obvious hypocrise. Then he spents the other 3/4 of the video downplaying it and talking it dead. It was hypocrit, just admit it jeez. Nobody is perfect but some of these streamers have their ego blown out of proportions

[@NoobSaibotVII]

It makes more sense for Twitch streamer awards to have a Fansly advertisement considering the majority of Twitch's top female streamer/personalities are on Fansly lol.

[@chase5436]

Ludwig's excuse maybe works for his events or advertising Fansly on his channel, but he and QT are trying to create a giant event for everyone on Twitch with the streamer awards. Saying "If you're a kid, you probably shouldn't watch my channel" its not enough. That's not Geoff Keighley's stance during the game awards, that is not whoever manages the Oscars or the Grammy's mindset. If they want the "Streamer Awards" to be somewhat respected for what it is, advertising gambling, alcohol, or porn should be the furthest thing from your mind. Honestly just another thing to lop onto the pile of why Twitch is seen as completely degenerate. It's like no one is even trying to combat the image of this site being for perverts and narcissists to prey on lonely people and their wallets. There's good content on Twitch but it's just dwarfed by the amount of grifters and their advertising for whoever pays them the most.

[@scribbles1940]

I believe the same rationale he applies to child porn and that Netflix cuties or however it’s actually titled should be the same. Advertising sexual content to children is wrong and should be condemned just like showing It to them on stream in the same way cuties is wrong and should be condemned just like straight child porn is wrong and should be condemned. Just because one is to a more severe degree does not mean being morally congruent wouldn’t consist of mutual condemnation.

[@Misutoslope]

"I have no problem with people having fansly sponsors" "it's a direct gateway to porn" after admitting that underage children watch streams where it's being advertised. Pick one Asmon

[@Misutoslope]

@@pandapo7542 a kid googling porn is far different than a parasocial Andy watching their favorite twitch streamer promote pornography. If you can't comprehend that, you're literally a brainlet

[@sethburleigh8967]

Yeah he's trying his best to stay on the fence here

[@Thatguypat]

Those things aren't contradictory, kids watch porn all the time brother

[@Mark__838]

He doesn't need to, he just doesn't care if he is hypocritical. I agree more streamers need to be like him. don't try to step in the ring of morality, stay inside play games and dont wash ur hands

[@moanguspickard249]

Whats the differnce between praising Marlboro vs showing someone smoking? Whats the difference between telling its ok to beat people vs showing people being beaten? Its only worse by being explicit, but its still advertising.

[@Taegreth]

Of all the topics to have internet drama, wow. This really feels bottom of the barrel.

[@cmoney163]

They’re on full damage control rn lol

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

@@cmoney163 Bunch of gaming degenerates doing the moral panic shit Why not burn copies of mortal kombat while you're at it

[@andra5979]

I'm convinced that if you care so much about a streamers opinion that you're willing to write literal essays about why that person is a hypocrite, you need to find another hobby in life.

[@Halosrighthand]

Big L take, defending public marketing of porn on a million dollar scale on a public website with no age verification, to one dude streaming porn to his consenting audience, is the most disingenuous bullshit comparison. All to make your friends look good. Lud and QT lost so much of my respect these past 2 years, between the react drama and these awards.

[@jeffjones7108]

"A gateway to pron"?? Do you remember puberty? The alphabet was a gateway to pron. Geography was a gateway to pron. Ancient history was a gateway to pron. Opposable thumbs were a gateway to pron. Sentience was a gateway to pron. Gateways were a gateway to pron. It was impossible to find non-gateways-to-pron. I have 7 pron tabs open right now because of this video, directly. The horse has bolted and the barn door has repeatedly screamed its safe word. Stop, please.

[@HyperMario64]

I think the real point that Charlie is making is that the Fansly ad itself is not explicit, even if it is suggestive. At face value there is a difference, without taking the call-to-action into account.

[@justamoogle5268]

If Disney advertise Fansly pretty sure people will up in arms and Streamers would jump on it as well

[@ElderSign32]

crit1kal has always had a 95% miss rate on literally anything he says at any given time. i've been watching him and listening to his podcast for years, but he's wrong almost every time he opens his mouth. its just the way of things

[@timmyjimmy3647]

One gives you the option to pursue a certain kind of content, the other is explicitly displaying said content. The difference is you. Do you WANT to go to her fansly? Then go ahead. Very different from seeing a BBC DP for your first time in all it's glory without searching for it. Quite literally hit in the face. Not a small difference.

[@casualmisfit4070]

This is so simple. Kids seeing an advertisement for cigarettes is bad, but kids being handed cigarettes to consume is worse. That what this is.

[@adamsmith6285]

Another issue is that hypocrisy isn't a issue UNLESS you have a platform, influence and make money from it

[@bballaman92]

By transitive property since Asmon never washes his hands.. 🤔

[@killcamz24mota92]

Even in streaming these big streamers claim such a high moral standard that they are willing to cancel and dissociate themselves with those who are openly honest yet controversial. Yet when it comes to making that $$$ like promoting an ad that leads to porn the moral “rules” are bent to their favor. Remember when they got gambling canceled on twitch because it was exposing young children to gamble? The ad that was promoting porn in the streamers awards has the same affect!! You are opening a “gateway “”door to porn to young children just like gabling on stream opens the gateway to children gambling smh !!! The nerve of these top streamers 😂

[@Madness-iwnl]

You just don’t advertise porn websites on twitch where a vast majority of the audience are minors. There shouldn’t be any excuses.

[@sh0ker]

I love how you just assume the vast majority are minors without any proof or numbers

[@darrby.7790]

@@sh0ker I’m not sure it matters the percentage of minors, I think it’s the fact that they CAN be minors. Like using a 13 yearold twitch account to link to Fansly seems a complete negative to me. It wouldn’t be that difficult to vet the accounts.

[@sh0ker]

@@darrby.7790 Yes it would be easy for them to make the age verification more difficult but that means they make less money. As a business they don't care about morals. They just want to make money. They just do what is required by law. Like any other adult sites ever existed

[@ItsOctoberr]

One HUGE thing both of them are missing is you can parental control pornhub you cannot parental control twitch or fansly. That is a massive point because the parents can have no control of what they see unless they are right next to them. I will also add twitch and fansly don't have parental controls on spending either.

[@Troller235]

Adin Ross didn't advertise porn he watched it on stream The parental controls of the site are not relevant

[@Numeral0]

@@hpropganda by blocking the site entirely, I think

[@kringsom]

​@@hpropganda hot latinas only Timmy or else you're grounded

[@jamqdlaty]

Letting people decide if they want to see porn vs straight up displaying it to them is not a big difference?...

[@shaness112233]

2:20 Advertising a strip club is nowhere near dragging a child into a strip club. Sure, a child can see that ad and then enter the club. That doesn't mean that the people who made the ad forced the kid in their establishment

[@EdwardEdwardEdward69]

This is not an "is" problem, it is an "ought" problem. Things "are" this way, doesn't mean it "should be" this way.

[@ldeez4375]

I don’t think it’s as much about being hypocritical as people go as hard as possible against adin Ross but people like these two go a little easier when it’s their friends. They are smart enough to point out it’s bad. But they had a 2 week field day on adin Ross for his.

[@Mas-ij3ti]

That is the definition of being hypocritical. He was so outraged that Adin showed porn in a 18+ stream while QT advertised porn in a stream which was intended for all ages, kids included. If you go online and advocate about things then let your friends do those same things you are a hypocrite by definition.

[@GuardianDarkAngel]

The consent argument holds because twitch doesn't allow porn on it's website. In fact, adult themes are not universally sexual. Also kids can't by definition consent. More so on a platform that doesn't allow pornography in the first place. However even clicking an 18+ button, a warning label needs to be explicit in what 18+ explicit material will be present.

[@frank75454]

Going after Charlie for that specific moment was a bit of a reach. It shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone that he didn't dive into some heated rant about the morality of advertising Fansly when he was just trying enjoy the streamer awards like everyone else. It's unfair to expect these people to pull out a soapbox at any given moment in time just because you feel it's warranted. It's still valid to want to hear his opinion on the matter, but let's not pretend like he should have halted his entire stream to address the advertisement at the time it was shown during the streamer awards. With that being said, I do still agree with some of MuKitty's points. I feel like these days a lot of creators involve themselves in the commentary content sphere, but if you're going to go that route with your content you should probably practice what you preach and be willing to stand behind your word for everything, not just selective situations you feel is safest.

[@quincyobrien9831]

I thought this might have been exaggeration so I went to fansly to see what it is. Holy holy... Twitch is partnered with that? That's literally a porn site with a fancy name. I hope parents become aware of these sites.

[@QuantumFitnessMindset]

twitch is just a funnel for their p0rn sites

[@MarkoFTW]

Charlie is obviously hypocrite because he is biased; that is understandable. But his video is just him digging himself deeper, because he just failed to admit "Yes, i found my friends pornography-to-kids add less horrible, but now I will address it correctly." Failing to do that is what cements him as hypocrite, at least for me.

[@CHlNY]

I’ve seen fansly around but I didn’t even know it was an onlyfans knock off until I saw this vid

[@letmegameyouastory]

Sometimes it feels like those react videos are out even earlier than the actual videos you're reacting to...

[@PeaceSoldier]

How are we even having this conversation? Showing porn on stream is 100% illegal. Not to mention that having the brain capacity to think that is ok puts you on a watchlist immediately. It does not matter what you do in your free time. Showing that on stream is a totally different thing. How did we even end up having this conversation in the first place? Why don't we have a conversation about the police fining him and sending him to a mandatory psychological checkup instead + a big fat warning to not do this in the future? Talking about cigarettes on stream and smoking and doing some minor breach of twitch rules that is different. It is still immoral and having a bad influence on kids is a bad thing sure. But literally doing something that affects their phycological health and exposing them to something they did not ask to be exposed to is totally different. What the hell is the world coming to. In this particular situation, if that indeed happened, someone showing porn on stream should be IMMEDIATELY pointed out and criticized by any single individual on the web. Just like torturing animals or committing crimes? Why is this acceptable I have no idea. It just goes to show that in the moment you try to copy the mainstream and have talent shows and meetups in the type of award shows on TV, you end up having the same shit like the mainstream had for years: drama and corruption. I thought twitch streamers were supposed to be the change we needed? The break from reality? How did we end up having these glamorous shows and displays of wealth that the so called "twitch community" was supposed to distance itself from (aka the normies). What a mess. I guess people just need to start voting with their views more. And honestly: my biggest problem. Why isn't twitch labeling bathtub streamers as NSFW and filter out content based on the age of the individual and trends? Why can I find Amourath by chance while searching for Valorant streams? Fucked up...

[@yegor2]

On the RADIO i've heard ads for seggs toys (adam and eve) and the radio doesn't allow bad words because they still operate under the same rules from like 100 years ago.

[@Reaper_T2]

Asmongold OF but its just him washing hands

[@whenimmanicimgodly4228]

The ONLY reason i put up with hot tub girls is because some of my favorite streamers (they cook, do IRL, do VERY cool live video editing even to song request the guy is SERIOUSLY talented, smoke weed, and show oakland) occassionally use their hot tub when drinking with friends, and if hot tub girls were banned my streamers wouldnt be able to stream the bubbles and beer

[@stomper8056]

I gotta say man, it's basically the same difference as First Degree Murder and Third Degree Murder. It's still murder either way, direct or not.

[@MegaBoeboe]

So you just proved there are degrees to porn as well.

[@supernova86]

LMFAO! You can definitely be hypocritical when you're doing "only what's in your best interests". That's the trap you fall into which breeds hypocritical thinking. You apply different rational and standards to different situations, based on what benefits you at any given time. Literally the definition of hypocritical.

[@cmoney163]

Ngl this drama is dumb af. Neither side is going to budge. Streamers will always keep looking out for one another because of their inner circle, and wanting to maintain power within Twitch; and viewers will always see them as hypocrites and call it how it is. Just stop talking about it, people will still watch these streamers at the end of the day. People aren’t mad that they’re hypocrites, they’re mad they won’t admit to it.

[@64bitUnity]

It is the same thing, just with extra steps.... Also porn is free... Fansly is not.

[@mcsavi1538]

If kids are watching a moistkritkal stream and especially a adin Ross stream people should blame the parents for not paying attention to what they’re kids are watching.

[@deppintt8136]

Since Charlie said that they're both bad, only that Adin was worse, is he gonna criticize QT for having an ad to a p*rn?

[@Numeral0]

Advertisement in general is the way to tell people that "Hey we have this product buy it or go check it out" the fansly ad is totally wrong to be there in the first place cause anyone who saw it would be like "hmmmm let me check this out", I know Twitch and any other place could be stupid sometimes and allow this, but at least no one should denie its bad to have that kind of ad in the first place in a website that is not considered a corn site

[@simple3316]

The situation with adin Ross and moist cirtical are two different topics but at the end of the day it's up to your morals and ethics.

[@ambro3075]

Adin also didnt surprise people with it. He pointed out he will show porn before he did. Its no different then when a youtube video does a 10 second count for people who dont want to get spoiled to click off.

[@ambro3075]

@@zegrasisinnocent wait what! u think stream awards dont know its viewers are mostly kids lmfao. Huff that copium.

[@ambro3075]

@@zegrasisinnocent then how is it any different? they all know kids are the majority viewers on these websites. Only difference is you had to agree to be 18 to watch Adins stream.

[@Brandin-jd6lm]

I feel like if the streamer isn’t known for a child audience or promoting a family friendly atmosphere for children then it should be ok to advertise for a sponsor that may be porn. All the streamers at the rewards (to my knowledge) curse, play or do things that aren’t family friendly, and create content that isn’t necessarily geared towards children. So assuming that nothing but children are watching is obscene. Plus, children will click and watch ANYTHING. So you can never control if there are children viewers or not. You would have to censor all media.

[@bushzillafishmlg7975]

Its remarkable people actually think its the samething. It isn't their close but on different parts of the spectrum

[@WyvernU]

nah charlie is wrong on this

[@relinquishv]

Asmon take was fine until 34:44. I mean, wtf is that question?! Ofc they care, that's why they are looking at the streamers, that's how you make money and stay all day in your home playing games. dude. Can't believe someone so down to earth is so stupid sometimes.

[@Daeelldian]

Asmon casually having the worst take ever made in the first 3 minutes of the video.

[@gurilagardnr2688]

Watching the naked greed of the top creators as they chase the dollar, stooping to accepting money from porn, gambling, crypto, its simply disheartening. It's not just about selling out, it's who everyone sells out to. It's loud and clear. FU, i secured my bag. Not a great way to maintain a "community", when the community has it thrown in their face that it's just a cash-cow vehicle. It breaks the 4th wall in the worst possible way.

[@captaincvo]

insane that people compare Adin showing raw uncensored porn on stream, and an advertisement for a paywalled website. If an underage kid tuned into the streamer awards, they would have had to go to Fansly, sign up, pay money, lie about their age, and then they'd access the porn. If an underage kid tuned into Adin's stream, they would have to look at the screen and would see porn. Why do people remotely compare the two lol? It's the difference between a beer commercial on tv vs buying a kid a drink.

[@kavinh10]

it's not that different, people like you love to downplay it and call it "insane". Or do you seriously think advertising porn to minors is that much different then showing it to them? the only degree of difference is the ad itself isn't 18+ but it's still risque

[@justsomeguywithnoeyes7303]

well the difference is getting addicted to porn without paying for it vs getting addicted to porn while paying subscriptions for it in one scenario, you can still pay your rent while being a coomer

[@saltycarl6581]

fansly doesnt care about people like you, they want young men that are socially screwed to become attached to young pretty female streamers and once they get hooked it ruins them as they compete with other lonely well off dudes. Grant Yamato is a great example of the extremes.

[@captaincvo]

@@kavinh10 it is seriously that different what?? Showing full penetration with no age warning is much different from saying "hey pay to see me undressed ; )"

[@captaincvo]

@@justsomeguywithnoeyes7303 the issue at hands is the "showing to kids" part, though. Adin showed raw schlong penetration with 0 hurdles to access it, you click the stream and it's there. Fansly showed a racy commercial in which you still have to be 18+ (or lie about being 18+) and pay for the content before you can even get a glimpse of coochie. I agree that both are bad, but to say that they're equally bad is delusional and it seems like quite a few commenters dont get that distinction. Advertising a beer to a child might make them want a beer, but they still need to get a fake ID, go to the bar, and pay for it if they get past security. Giving a beer to a child, they just gotta put the drink to their lips. Both are bad, but not equally so.

[@Neclony]

There are worlds between directly showing something or showing a site that hosts/streams it. You are no hypocrite when you only accept the latter. A little example would be when parents restrict their children website access and twitch is included. The showed website is not accessible so the ad made no "damage". I want to add that no one said it is good to advertise that website, but it is clearly a big difference.

[@NousagiCaptain]

Advertising a video of someone’s getting decapitated. Or just showing a womans head getting sawed off while shes gurgling, id immediately close the stream, and then sit there in silence because of what i just saw. And then be scared to watch that persons stream again.

[@fivepillars4880]

adin didnt do that , he had teh website site up really quick. he didnt leave it or played a video at all. he than goes in on why it isnt a good thing to watch. fanstly and those streamers promoted thru logging in your twitch acounts shows you those streamers naked. Fansly ad 100% sets kids up because they showed st peach, alinity, amourth the biggest twitch streamers and huge child base. They long in with there twitter and make it nice and easy for them to make them use there mom credit card

[@triggaplayss]

just so u know. adin had the stream set to 18+ and you had to verify u were over 18

[@JaxCavalera]

It's wild to me how similar these guys look.. I genuinely thought they were the same person till I saw this video.. and even then I'm like..cousins or brothers??

[@xtheyan]

I always prefer watching Asmond reacting instead of actually watch the original video

[@phyton9O]

Some people just like to fight, and the methods are changing since milder solutions are getting banned like the gamer words.

[@strukctura6262]

Moistcopium

[@markhohenbrink5230]

I'd say that both sides are in the wrong. Adin Ross showed porn to minors on an 18+ stream, the twitch community showed an ad for free porn with twitch prime on a 13+ stream after an ad for a kids game. Both sides did the same thing in context like Asmon said. In the Mukitty video showing the hypocrisy of the situation, she barely had Moist in it compared to Hasan and Xqc. In the end, you can't argue that kids are watching because both sites aren't supposed to have kids on it.

[@angelo423]

Fansly is literally not free porn, and the link showed did not lead to any kind of nudity, just the log in page

[@markhohenbrink5230]

@@angelo423 which can be signed in with Twitch Prime. The worst part is somehow Fansly and Twitch have a partnership in this instance.