Asmongold Reacts to "Why I Quit WoW to Raid in FFXIV"

[@NamesLynx]

Super happy Asmongold liked the video! I wanted nothing more than to provide a different perspective on the game and explain how a more content-focused player can still enjoy FF14 alongside all it's other qualities. Thanks so much for watching :D

[@Rob6990]

Hey Lynx!

[@gauvainhawk3380]

I'm so glad to finally see someone make a video about how yes, there very much is content for people who enjoy challenging themselves in this game. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy some of the more casual aspects of the game too and agree they're a big part of its success, but it was getting somewhat frustrating to see players trying to use that as selling points when talking to people who weren't (much) interested in that, made it seem like they didn't realise different people might have different centres of interest. XIV has content for many different types of players, happy to finally see someone explain that this includes endgame raiders.

[@kukuruzmarmelad3917]

Now he just has to watch a video on how to tank from you. Sadge Hopefully he also checks out the UI.

[@MarmiteFerret]

Love you Lynx bebe

[@meitomiyazaki9848]

Well if we wanna be technical i can argue that everything else that isn't raiding is still content in the game regardless of personal enjoyment and honestly someone out there is bound to enjoy it someway somehow if i wanna be objective so to call only people doing savage and ultimate as "content" focused just seems kinda off to me but i guess it depends on what you view as content to be consumed. so while i dont personally agree with calling a player on that level a more "content" focused player you are still correct about pretty much anything you talked about in the video despite that anyway. I'd just personally call a player like that a high-end raider and thats about it. As long as you play the content you enjoy the most you win at the end of the day. I have friends who exist legitimately only for FFXIVs PVP (even though we all know how the pvp is like) and in the same way there are people that only exist for raiding. If you can fit in with all crowds and learn from them even better because you can experience as much of the game as possible and formulate your own opinions about content and maybe learn and prog along the way.

[@Aloreal1]

I had a pause from ffxiv for 2 years. When i got back i just needed to update my main story, open a few new dungeons and got back into raiding within the same week. Yoshi P knows what fun means and gives it to you with open arms.

[@Calder90]

Its interesting to me because when WoW came out, it WAS the casual MMO that was all about openness and player fun. "Gameplay first" was Blizzard's motto and the game was more accessible than EQ and Ultima and things. Somehow along the way they lost that vision and have cultivated this playerbase and imagery where if you're not willing to work on boring character progression for 8 hours a day you're not good enough to play the game in any meaningful way.

[@BleachRush]

@@Calder90 they missed the mark for Casuals AND hardcore players. Non of these player base are satisfied with game. And that's because blizzard metrics today is just about engagement for the longest time possible for subs. No coincidence the new patch came out very close to the 6-months subs cycle with a new 6-months subs offer/reward. They're too comfortable with this cycle but maybe this time they will feel the hot with alot of players switching to FFXIV

[@valaquenta220]

The Blizzard guys are all going to become bald quicker than Asmongold if the current trend keeps up this way, holy...

[@Bitterman5868]

FF And TES deserves all glory, Warcraft was always the ursurper fooling everyone.

[@veganwaffle]

Yeah I mean I bought the game two days ago, it’s been fun. If you’re at all a fan or any final fantasy type like cura and firaga magic type things I think you’d get a kick out of it

[@arissp4950]

ION IS ALREADY BALD

[@Zaradorian]

hahaha, and the ironic part is it's their own fault

[@prgnify]

If they actually look into all of this critically, there are SO LESSONS they could take, learn and improve upon. In the end I think this ff14 saga will have a net ´positive result in the mmo market

[@Meman702]

At this point Asmongold is going to grow hair if he keeps playing FFXIV.

[@Sque333]

Dude your right my hair started to grow back lol jk. I think its a lot less stressful. and I don't have to play every day or long hours to fill like I accomplished something.

[@anders8461]

WoW has always been the reason of my balding head

[@梦科魔影视工作室]

No, it's can't be, if he into the Eureka

[@rinuskoe99]

@@梦科魔影视工作室 fuck Eureka. i hate it. i hate it even more because i actually did the grind.

[@AdamL2326]

Underrated comment lmfao

[@KutluMizrak]

This man doesnt even realize the hardest content in the game; Housing ( Savage).

[@motyfokol5392]

lmao. i recently join the game and i've heard that it's the real Ending boss XD

[@bananza9860]

Took me longer to get a house in ffxiv than it took me to get a 3070.

[@wzx6x6z6w]

I think Asmon knows but currently he's still not really interested to it. I remember he said "I don't do housing because I'm a hobo" in stream.

[@SaltareObscurum]

Well what does that means? 😅 I mean, is there normal housing and the savage housing? What

[@dragonstory15]

@@SaltareObscurum There is a set amount of houses on each server about 7000 if I remember correctly, so people joke about getting a house being the hardest content in the game. Although they added apartment buildings so its pretty easy to get a small room at least.

[@nymbus4555]

The only job that you don't have to level individually is scholar, and Summoner because their base job is both rooted in Arcanist. So if you level Summoner for DPS, you get a level 80 healer for free. The more you know!

[@angel__king]

And it helps with que times during leveling. Want to play lvl 80 summoner without 15 min que times when you want to level play scholar for instant ques!

[@JackgarPrime]

Thats a good call out. I kind of wish there were more dual job classes like that.

[@recreant359]

This is what I did, but being a scholar was hard to kill shit

[@aa_xiv]

This^ msq q's on xpac launch were hell for a dps so i switched to sch and ez q's

[@Gyrono]

Unlikely, dev team has said Arcanists split job causes major headaches and they are trying to find a way to separate them without causing more issues.

[@snoozingoriginal4263]

Asmon has had basically nonstop positivity since starting lol

[@retto4390]

Man listening to this while farming torghast makes me want to instantly bail to 14

[@sagen06]

You dont have to bail. You can play both. Play WoW then play a bit of 14. Idk why people keep thinking if you go to 14 youre "bailing" on WoW. Do you.

[@AC-fi8ge]

Do it. No regrets. Enhance your quality of life, fellow MMO gamer.

[@TeaRektum]

@@sagen06 paying two subscriptions doesn't feel good edit: stop the copypasta I am already a ffxiv subscriber

[@uragusx]

I wanted try ff14 a few days ago and now, i dont even wanna login wow since 2009.

[@sagen06]

@@TeaRektum True. Welp guess stick to WoW if thats youre only option.

[@Dynelegacy]

I wanted to raid in ff14...but then I stepped inside the gold saucer...

[@danielk3919]

Lmao fuck that place.

[@purecs67890]

good lucl getting out from there

[@Theguyoverthere603]

You’re here forever now

[@wingsofwar]

I got hardcore trapped into getting Triple Triad card packs.. such a stupid thing i use to make fun of those people/youtubers who buy Magic the Gathering or Pokemon card packs and seeing stupid rare card grabs...now im one of them.. god damn it.

[@sockmonkey3393]

i got out of there quick.

[@arcady0]

The class swap thing - me and my co-tank last time I used to raid savage. Everytime we stepped out of the door for coffee or to replace a PUG, we'd could just swap what tank class we were on. And sometimes if we needed it because someone had to go for the night - keep the same toons but swap around roles. Granted I did that in WoW too, but it meant keeping a stack of alts by the door, and running them through all the 'other stuff'. In FFXIV, I just have to have the other role geared better than any PUG sitting in queue.

[@arcady0]

To add: we weren't just swapping to be stupid - the balance is pretty good so the burden on the team didn't get messed up, and the 'hey lets swap our tank classes' was a great way to avoid burnout without slowing progression. When I swapped what healer I was using in 9.0 Nath, and some of our DPS swapped from melee to ranged or vice versa - each of those set our raid back a week on average because it meant "oh no, I need to hit Torghast and Covenant all over again", but it was that or "guys I'm so burned out by this BS I'm unsubbing" which half the people without alts did...

[@hkoizumi3134]

I've beaten every raids from ARR to Savages on time during its relevancy before echo hits. I got every mount from it and it's oh so satisfying. It's one of those accomplish that I like to keep on doing and it doesn't require me to dedicate my entire life to do. The dev team actually made the game balanced from game and real life.

[@rexxel8867]

it actually makes sense when YoshiP actually said that he designed the game so that player can come back any time. Which means people who are busy IRL can still play the game and don't fall behind so far from other players OR you can still play other games too just not adding chore games

[@soupmakesyoufat9379]

@@Frozenkex yea...no your view of "balance" is really skewed when people say FFXIV is Balanced its because you can play EVERY JOB YOU WANT WITHOUT getting bogged down because its not META...unlike wow the spec and gearing customizability is only relevant when a vast majority is viable...repeat...VIABLE...not completely useless to a comp.. otherwise its just BiS BiS BiS BiS BiS BiS BiS BiS BiS its appaling

[@soupmakesyoufat9379]

@@Frozenkex "Balance is when every dps/healer/tank is viable" - thats literally what i implied lololololol soooo you do say that there is but some fail to see how xiv does it cause assumptions? "homogenizing everything, no procs, slow gameplay" - really shows that you havent really experienced the combat and goes to tell that you really have no experience with the game...so where goes the slow combat part? as from my experience the apm is much higher in XIV's...is it only because you've heard of "2.5s gcd" and assumed that there is no more to it? when you dont take into acct the amount of double weaving and complex rotations due to each classes own mechanics which in turn solves homogenization well of course its slow but thats just ignorance on your part....even asmon acknowledges that when the gcd is mentioned because no one will actually develop a game where the core gameplay at highend is just that and honestly its stupid to assume so...compared to wow's 123's (with most jobs having the most bogged down rotations that its basically a mash fest)...if it helps there is dumbing down of some role mechanics (eg stance dancing for warriors) but the core mechanics of said classes stay the same i mean you do know that its an actual problem when most of your specs are pretty much unusable that people to tend to strictly follow a meta for high end content right? yes there's lots to choose from....but no cause you'll get shamed by choices that literally a player should be freely made to choose without getting scoffed at its not "competitive"...its just bad game balance and design... talking about bis is literally just another illusion of choice...customizability is useless when you only have to follow a VERY SELECT few to be relevant...its really never an issue at first..it becomes a problem when it highlights a number of class specs that are dogshit in a lot of competitive content...but yea sure keep defending how wow is balanced when its literally been a problem especially when m+ became a thing and most of the specs are such memes its insane even my raid guild agrees with this I do high end on both games ...ffxiv has a meta but most people dont follow it save for speedclears...because EVERY JOB IS USEFULL...So youre not pressured into making a wrong choice... Stop assuming stuff just because...whats funnier is that it isnt even mentioned in the video...you just like to pull someshit out of your ass 😂😂😂

[@OBELISK3210]

When he said ‘fuck I can’t get carried’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀

[@nenemeia90]

lol i love that xDDD

[@jamvng]

@@Raansu getting an Ultimate carry means someone is playing on your account. Ultimates require everyone to do know what they are doing.

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@Raansu Can confirm the guy above ^ TEA is literally uncarry-able. One guy's a dead weight and you are fucked.

[@auroenmoonflower]

😂🤣

[@saladv3028]

@@DawnAfternoon I'm looking forward to the Dragonsong war ultimate in hopes they implement a phase where each party member are sent to solo instances to fight each of the knights of the round in full bozja duel fashion, so If one player fucks up it's a wipe. I think that'll be cool.

[@Amateracu1991DFFOO]

Anyone noticed how Asmon's default mechanic is to compare everything he hears in the video to how WoW USED to be? Yeah... Enough said.

[@barkley611]

Yup. When FFXIV devs recreated the game, they were instructed to play WoW at work to get ideas. They essentially made a WoW clone of Wrath of the Lich King, and captured all its magic before Activision came in at Cataclysm and started changing the game. The good feeling I get from playing FFXIV every day, I haven’t had in WoW since Icecrown Citadel.

[@ronnyalvarado8116]

That kind of makes sense. Especially since the game was launched in 2014, a few years after Wrath. Decided to play FF for the first time a week ago and I'm loving it. Level 25 only, but I'm ready for the end game content

[@nicholasclemons7213]

@@barkley611 don’t blame activism on for blizzards shitty mistakes. Activision wanted micro transactions that’s it, and while those for sure sucked, it’s not what made the game bad. The devs honestly had to high of an ego and believe what ever shit content they made was great.

[@trial_with_an_error9687]

You haven't lived until a thicc statue goddess vibe checks you with the Square Enix HQ building.

[@shuyin69]

finally a "wow veteran" who explains in detail the high end of final fantasy xiv. good video.

[@omkarcharati8930]

maybe this comment belongs on the actual video

[@soupmakesyoufat9379]

@@Frozenkex He has knowledge of the fights i played both and i can agree with him...also he has WoW content..you dont know what you're talking abt and clearly projecting how you hate xiv just because its doing better than your MMO stfu

[@damiester1]

@@Frozenkex I've played the first 3 expansions of WoW and can confirm raiding is just much more comprehensively fun in FF. Until my account got hacked, I was constantly among the race of heroics in Cataclysm (before Myth or w.e existed). The community was toxic and raids felt like chores. FF14 just gives a much better experience overall.

[@randomboiyo6254]

@@Frozenkex cope + seethe + this u? 🤓🤓🤬🤬🤡🤡

[@jamalx7903]

These vids are great while getting through the day at work, when I cant watch the stream or game myself, thanks editor/uploader, your the real mvp.

[@NicoleKisa]

Good luck don't die

[@47battles]

Facts

[@urmadalabco6078]

The editor thanks you, we making him bare dollas

[@CookieAMV]

friend as a fellow 9-5'er you can usually catch some of the stream, he's on righ tnow

[@jamalx7903]

@@CookieAMV i have poor service so i cant really watch the stream(cuts in and out) so i play youtube vids and wait for the whole thing to buffer.

[@dragonstryk7280]

In FF, Tomestones, Guild Seals, and all the other currencies stay valid for the most part, and you can actually use them later, when you no longer need the gear, to pull in a fuckload of extra gil if you learn to use the marketboard.

[@lessoriginal]

You could step away from shadowlands for a long time and come back and still have the pinnacle of gear..... Because they didn't update shit in that game for almost a year.

[@fredxu99]

Ultimate weapons also look really f*cking good and stand out a lot. They often are reskins of the various Relic weapons, but they have unique glow effects and stand out from the crowd. For example, The Epic of Alexander (TEA) weapons are the only ones sporting a steampunk-styled glow with bright gears that spin. I've never gotten any of the Ultimate weapons myself, and I'm always jealous when I see one :P They just look so unique.

[@MelonMuncherChicken]

you have 4 months before EW UWU should be easy

[@inuclearpickle8628]

I honestly love the tea weapons they look so damn good

[@fredxu99]

@@MelonMuncherChicken My static unfortunately disbanded due to IRL issues, changing COVID policies and whatnot causing work fluctuations etc. Hopefully I'll be able to get into those fights down the line.

[@snoof8995]

I can't wait to see Asmon start doing glamour contests in the game and mount off's

[@SmokeyDaBoss420]

wont happen once he just want to see how ez the end game is and move on lol

[@themadhatter9358]

@@SmokeyDaBoss420 nah....I think he likes the game.

[@JackgarPrime]

Well he won't be able to do much for himself in the mount offs, but he can still serve as a judge.

[@lococrash]

@@JackgarPrime well considering the garo mounts are no longer obtainable (i only managed to get the silver one myself, not much of a pvp guy), add to that the tier pvp mounts, so yeh

[@nothanks9174]

@@stu.chainz It’s not like he’s gonna stop doing transmog comps if he loves FF14. I hope he enjoys the end game and adds glamour comps to his content. I’d like to see how creative people get with the armor dyes.

[@BENTLEY1981]

Lol, " oh fuck I cant get carried" truest statement ever. Im glad you can laugh at yourself man!

[@waaromn]

@@minuette1752 Uh, party finder groups selling carries tell a different story. Savage content in FFXIV is also puggable, with maybe the exception for the 4th fight but it's still possible.

[@spartanChef777]

@@waaromn Some of them are yes, however there are those that are not, i.e. E8S Shiva Savage. During Light Rampant if even 1 player screws up the entire Raid just dies, and that mechanic happens several times with different variations. Most of the Eden raids have been getting harder to a point of not being able to pug people through them. Most "carries" anymore still require you to know most of the mechanics, the carry portion comes in with you not putting out proper DPS. Also keep in mind that 75% of those carry ads are just spam.

[@dazzlemasseur]

He'll get carried everywhere until LVL 70 I think.

[@MelonMuncherChicken]

the term carried is relative doing mechanic but not dealing decent DPS is considered as being carried by most raider as well Ultimates like UWU or UCOB are puggable but everyone still needs to know what they are doin i think in averag UWU takes around 2-3 weeks to learn and 2-3 months for UCOB/TEA to learn

[@S-Blade]

@@spartanChef777 I pugged shiva. I wouldn't recommend it at all. For 20 days I played 8 hours daily and beat her miraculously at the end. Farming parties were alright but had more disbands than clears. I gave up on the next tier since pugging E9S was a pain through PF already and I just took a break until next raid tier in EW.

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

The ffxiv raids have always felt plenty hard to me. Maybe I’m a casual, but I’ve tried some savage stuff and idc who you are, it’s not easy. “Easy” is hard to even measure. They’re different. Ffxiv has a rhythm to its fights, the “dance” analogy people often use is perfect.

[@ArchieGamez]

Yep true, you cannot fuk up even tiny a bit if you do you stress out your healers and most of the time it can lead to a wipe

[@Mejandora]

Yeah you have to memorize a ton of stuff because there is no addon that tells you what happens next. You have to know every tiny bit of mechanic the boss can pull out of his sleeve at any time and react immediately to avoid any dmg taken, while keeping up your own dmg. Memorizing all stuff that could happen during a many minute long fight isnt as easy as one could think. Especially in fights where you have to watch the movment of the boss or what he was saying to know what happens next. You can do an extrem trial and the pattern is 'mechanic 1' then 'mechanic 3' and then 'mechanic 2'. The next time to do the trial you'll get an complete different pattern. So yeah... brain and muscle memory for the win :)

[@jamvng]

@@Hooga89 WoW is more gear gated from what I've heard, whereas FFXIV makes fights to be cleared on the first week.

[@SolidStructureWC]

I can confirm that you are indeed a filthy casual. All jokes aside, the biggest difference between FFXIV and WOW raiding is that FFXIV demands precision and WOW demands reaction. The error many WOW players make is that they think that it's easier to be precise when a fight is scripted. What they fail to realize is this is only true when *all 8* players need to be precise. If someone dies, then pretty much the whole raid is forced to react to recover. The problem is the margin for error is so small that this is often not possible. For WOW, you can often save a scuffed run. This is not the case with FF ultimates. The most you can hope for when someone messes up is that you see the next mechanic and get to practice your rotation. In FFXIV, your group can really only be as good as your weakest player. In WOW, a handful of good players can carry the raid and you might even let your weak links die.

[@totomei1033]

I did an Ultimate and it took 100 hours of prog to clear. That's crazy to me. That's like four times the length of a normal single player RPG playtime. I spent that long on just one fight.

[@alvarolima7060]

Ultimate fights on FF14 are the hardest content I have experienced in all MMOs I played. And I played a lot of them since I am an old school MMO player that started in UO in 98.

[@bronntoise]

For context, Asmon reacted to this video *before* he actually started to play FFXIV. Safe to say some of his opinions about the game have changed since then, as we've seen in the streams.

[@Oyst8Y6h]

All I want to see at this point is his “E fcking Z” attitude to ultimate as he said he won’t quit the game until he clears ultimate.

[@senmaroll1006]

You can see that is was before ff14, because his chat is so cancerous. I’ve actually been watching his streams since he played ff14 and the chat has been so nice and welcoming. Feels like a whole new world

[@NessieNice]

"She's hot." ...if that not a change, I don't know what is

[@michaelrosin9408]

@@Hooga89 you misspelled "weeks upon weeks"

[@noenken]

18:02 On screen: A message to WoW.

[@lucaspunga]

"Unshowered, smelly and sweaty raid gods" *Looks at camera*... "Yeah thats me alright" - AsmonBrain... Really hit the nail

[@dragonweirdocreap]

Both games are great in certain aspects. But honestly, FF14 is a game that respects your time, WoW is a game that demands your time.

[@Macheda4Life]

thats why wow is the game for really hardcore gamers and FF for the average dude. and in our times mediocrity is what thrives. like in highschool when everyone gets a trophy.

[@steeb3778]

@@Macheda4Life lmao "hardcore gamers"

[@Macheda4Life]

@@steeb3778 i play wow since 2005 when i turned 18. not just saying i can send you my subscription id and my copy of wow game i have on my library. how old were you on 2005 again? FF is full of 15-25 year old oversensitive kidos. if you cant be good go home

[@nonanimeprofilepic]

@@Macheda4Life couldn't have said it any better. ff14 is for casuals. WoW TBC is for people who are actually good at video games

[@VictorLopes-vc3ou]

@@Macheda4Life you're right man what determines if a person is good at a game or not isn't if they're actually good at the game it's whether or not they can dedicate time to something while not having fun tell the mythic raiders who say ultimates on ff14 are harder about how they're casual again man you're doing a great job

[@givemeyourfish]

Big important part of being able to change class on same character is that you don't need to regrind the long story quest which gates areas off.

[@DarthZ01]

God i had like 5 alts in shadowlands i slowly built up during the 9.1 wait. I got most of them to 60 and just gave up on covenant renown. Then 9.1 dropped and surprise! Heres double the renown requirement. I lost all will even on my mains, and on top of meeting a girl irl who has played ff14 for years (i know they dont exist, but shes a pretty nice figment of my imagination so far), i dropped my sub the same month 9.1 dropped. Already almost to max with my first job and have like 3 more lined up after. Its great.

[@TheMeGuy1]

They didn’t even mention some of the content in Shadowbringers like Delubrum or the rest of the Bozja stuff. Sure Bozja itself isn’t raiding but it’s just packed to the gills with cool and interesting boss fights even if they are on a smaller scale that I feel like anybody who really enjoys doing content like raiding would enjoy it to some extent.

[@Exaltable]

Having done both a lot of the ultimate mechanics are harder, require tight group synergy and punish you frequently with full 19 minute fight resets on one person failing a mechanic. Take it with a grain of salt they are different for sure but ultimate has always felt much more satisfying to have cleared than mythic for me. The dance of mechanics and 8 person team makes things very personal in satisfaction

[@nokturnallex2160]

Yea like in WoW my favorite raids were the old 10 mans, it felt much more personal with each person having more personal responsibility. There was also just more comradery, as in 25 mans you can't just shoot the shit and talk with your friends you gotta stfu and only call out mechanics for the most part.

[@Kyle-ne1te]

Dunno if it's a typo but the comparison is between ultimates and mythic raiding not mythic plus cos it' a bit different.

[@asavel6227]

@@Kyle-ne1te he just have no idea what mythic raids are

[@megabob40]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet, but if you want bragging rights, you should try to solo the palace of the dead. You get one of the rarest titles in the game.

[@Noryll1327]

Heaven on High solo too, both very difficult tasks with very rare title rewards.

[@Idividezero]

@@Noryll1327 Can confirm. I tried to solo Heaven on High as RDM and I barely made it to the second floor. I was only there for the hairstyle, so it wasn't a big deal, but I wanna go back there someday.

[@megabob40]

@@Noryll1327 Very true. I often forget about HoH, but it's a great accomplishment aswell.

[@lizardman1303]

@@Idividezero what level is that

[@Bluelyre]

@@lizardman1303 you can do palace as early as level 1 (though you should start at 30 with your job). It has its own leveling system. Heaven on high is level 61+.

[@ZephirumNick]

Anyone here who studied some kind of game design, know there is an unethical principle of "rewards and punishment", if the player logins every day, you get a reward, if they don't the get a punishment, this what WoW is doing is punish players in a level that creates anxiety, that's why games that let you take your time and are both challenging and relaxing should be praised, me if like final fantasy, there are some content downtime, you can't just not pay the monthly sub and that's it.

[@Hampen555]

Yeah, using fomo because nobody will do the content with you when you come back as a game mechanic is a clear cut example of dark design, honestly sickening when you have an outsider perspective

[@nashwise4everGM]

Some people just quit entirely rather than facing punishment and abuse from bad game design.

[@Calder90]

So true. I took time off in Pandaria and missed the dungeon challenge mode sets. Now I can never get them. It made me feel so regretful for not playing. Or all the new Druids out there who didnt play Legion who can never get the Mage Tower forms. It's all based on fomo and not only that it's fairly inconsistent when it comes to what will be farmable in the future or not.

[@zelos666]

You really don't need to study game design, this is so extremely common sense that I have no idea why Blizzard doesn't seem to get it.

[@MichaelPohoreski]

@@Calder90 FOMO is such bullshit greed design. Why am I being punished for having a _life_ outside the game???

[@Ethan-wu4re]

I CANNOT wait for asmon to do Shiva EXT trial and see his reaction to her "snap freeze, heel click " and epic music

[@goticogordo]

i shall watch that stream with chills on my body

[@lethalramen]

bruhhhh im already getting chills just thinking about it

[@jeffsimon759]

yup!

[@GAMERatHEART]

His reaction to some of the music in previous reacts leads me to believe Oblivion won't hit him as well as it does others. I think Nidhogg during final steps of faith with the majesty of revenge of the horse playing will probably evoke a positive reaction

[@axis1247]

Thats not a heel click, thats her literally stepping on you, it's random and does exactly 1 damage.

[@tnpcook]

The secondary efforts are actually seconday? They aren't a primary component of progression? Mind blown. It's almost like it should be that way, instead of a secondary system being the primary player experience for a patch. FF14 has permanence, longevity of effort and play. It enables you to enjoy the content without harvesting your interest in the content.

[@jgcapers3860]

It has been Square team's fundamental belief from the get-go. After watching people get obsessed with games and literally die from playing them too much they decided to go a different route and provide something that we can all enjoy. Yoshi P, their producer, often says on streams that he does not want people playing the game all the time and wants people to enjoy life and have fun in FF when they can.

[@veraserah]

The best part is that you can skip out on a raid tier and easily pick back up next tier with the way gear upgrades "reset" with new crafted gear and new normal raids every raid tier. If you have irl obligations or feel like taking a break, it won’t cost you your future in the game :p

[@axis1247]

And while BIS gear comes from raids you can still get high level good gear from crafting and the side content sources.

[@redgeoblaze3752]

Broke: Making Alt-friendly content Woke: Removing the need for Alts

[@nokturnallex2160]

@@paulogaspar8295 It's actually pretty easy to max out whatever classes you want in FF14, easier than WoW with multiple leveling options available. I can't even think of any downsides of having 1 character play every class, other than "I want my warrior to be a gnome, I want my Wizard to be a Troll, etc" Hell if you want, you can still make multiple characters but it's actually easier to max out every job on 1 character. (You get an xp boost depending on how high level your highest level class is)

[@Bluelyre]

@@poisonated7467 there's nothing stopping you from making a guild and sharing stuff between alts. End game stuff usually can't be traded, but most stuff can.

[@Minderz]

@@paulogaspar8295 Well, at the risk of sounding like a FFXIV evangelist. You can still create alts and leveling up takes SOOO long the first time in part (not entirely) because you have to do the story. Well on the second character you can just skip most of the cutscenes and quickscroll the text. With how ARR was squished recently and plenty of xp gear from various sources you'll almost always be overleveled so the xp itself is no issue. You can also send stuff like money and gear to your character if you really want to. Massive inventory means you could more or less pregear your character all the way up to max level. In the Armory chest you have like 25 slots for each individual gear slot plus a massive 140 slot inventory. More than enough to prepare for a journey to cap. And well, you could always skip once you've experienced the story.

[@Ndoelicious]

@@nokturnallex2160 funny, isn't it? You can do both options in FF14 and still be seen as "weakness" somehow someway..

[@TGameDev]

@@paulogaspar8295 seems like a non issue then since it exists. Personally I thought the idea of different alts was cool at first back in the UO and PSO days, but it got really annoying and tedious after a while. Would much rather click one button to solve that problem and be able to manage everything from one shared inventory.

[@moonraven6145]

"It was really bright there".. yeah that's FFXIV for you, if the screen isn't going supernova you're not in combat.

[@Tezz.]

I think that this may renew your passion for MMO's in general. It seems like this sparks some nostalgia which makes you appreciate both games at the same time :)

[@seproh0]

Exactly. I don't understand why people can't enjoy both games at the same time. I absolutely love both FF14 and TBC Classic. I take a break for FF14 and play TBC Classic for 1 month then take a break from TBC Classic and then play FF14 for 1 month etc. People acting like you can't play wow if you play FF14. Even Asmongold plays both.

[@hawaiin420]

4:34 Cosmetics/mounts last forever your gear will be replaced next patch

[@Celbrise]

hey im from Hawaii :D

[@Mike-qc8xd]

almost like an arrow to the knee

[@CrowYaeger]

Yes till you drop a few mil on the new crafted set, meld it and you're good to go to begin the next tier.

[@hawaiin420]

@@Celbrise aloha kakahiaka my bradda or sistah

[@rexxel8867]

of course it will always be replaced next patch but the difference is to replace with the new one is easy, either craft/buy the crafted gears or just jump in savage to get the best gear at current patch especially if you already have the gears that you get from the last savage tier because the main point in FFXIV is overcoming the challenge to get best gear or mount while gear progression being kept as a minimum because it's just there for requirements but not as a chore edit: if you are talking about FFXIV

[@brandenbran]

The strangest part about asmon switching to ff14 is that now he has females in his chat, as opposed to only neckbeards

[@tpenoel88]

how do you know there is a female on chat ?

[@leonie7754]

Have to be honest, when i moved over to 14 from WoW, I noticed it was much more gender balanced. I am female and I met a few other female wow players, but it was a small percentage. In 14, it feels a lot more mixed with chats regularly having a fair number of both genders. I don't really care about gender of other players, mind you, but it is interesting how 14 really does have stuff for everyone and I think the game being less competitive-driven and more casual-friendly might have something to do with it. And there is a lot of creative outlets in the game - there are people that can create epic houses for example using lots of glitches.

[@rumbleshakes]

17:26 I've been called so many negative things when suggesting WOW bosses should drop trophies that you get to turn in for loot from that boss's loot table. That's basically what Valor points and what FFXIV has.

[@arcady0]

Take it from personal experience: only 8-people on a team, if you suck they ALL know. That's why I went tank... because nobody understands what you're doing enough to tell that you suck except for the other tank - so you just gotta find one thing they suck at and do that part better. ;) (that will get you in the door, but then you actually have to get good to stay in the room... because the fact that you used to suck - hopefully now past tense - will eventually be obvious to everyone on such a small team.)

[@Oyst8Y6h]

Remember 11s light break? Your team will know you suck and are a noob if you don’t just rotate but pull the fcking boss away. Ask how I know? I ran into enough tanks like a chicken with head cutoff back then for that specific mechanics in pf for some damn reason.

[@littlebee7147]

If he sucks, the chat will let him know and they will be far more brutal 😂

[@zangorajura]

At this moment it's hard to do that anymore. Almost every hardcore raiders I know at least also has 1 tank job and yes they will know when you suck 😂

[@JoyVJ]

We know everything. We dont watch our charakter anymore. We play on standby and follow your rotation and check you out every sevond od the fight. We have all animations on and we see what you do. You cant fake anything in front of us. Just focus on getting better and be honest about mistakes. We wont call you out immediately. But one thing is certain. We know

[@nasch3391]

@@Frozenkex harder to organise but easier in actual fight

[@joab757]

I have always been a high end player, but you don’t want to miss this story. I went back and played it and it’s great!

[@JackgarPrime]

Yeah a lot of people seem to have done that. The Gaming Kinda guy did something similar.

[@TheKirby8u]

New game + is very powerful

[@SeksyTimes]

I got most EU firsts in BCOB and Primal Extreme modes in ARR. quit before HW, just joined again today to play the story 50-80. Got kids now so no ultimate raiding for me, but it does look cool. Best raiding memories in an MMO I have are from FF14, progressing rafflesia for 16 hours a day..😅

[@enragedsun1826]

@@JackgarPrime I'm not a big fan of Gaming Kinda... He "reacted" to a video another WoW raider named Quazzi did talking about how he's been loving FF14 so far and how it's made him appreciate the MMO genre again. GamingKinda just disagrees with every single thing Quazzi says and basically tells him that he thinks he's having fun in FF14, but he's not. Super negative behavior, instant unsubscribe for me.

[@holgualoxford3871]

8 man raiding is for me. My favorite time in WoW was Wrath and Cata when they let us do all the raids with 10, granted it was a little different than the 25 man. With 10 we wouldnt have to use stupid point systems and just FFA rolled items, we were a static group and it was awesome.

[@agtl3168]

Ultimates are pretty much designed like those secret bosses you had in some of the single player FF games, you know the ones that literally had you throwing your ps2 controller across the room and crying when you were 12 because the boss would do some bullshit that fucks you and the whole party, ahhhh good times.

[@xeroskillzxiv77]

This is actually wrong, when Ultimate Raids release the weapon is the best in the game until the next raid tier. If you take longer then yes it’s just glam

[@obe22099]

You're right but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he worded it to prove the point that most people attempting ultimate do it specifically for glamour. Some people might want it specifically to gain an edge on pad parsing.

[@owohscorner]

Lucky for you, ff14 has different endgames. So you have ARR endgame with Coils of Bahamut and then ARR trials. Then you have Heavenward endgame with Alexander raids and the Azys la trials Storm blood has Omega and the sacred beast. Then Shadowbringers endgame with the nier raid and Eden. So that's two to three raids per level cap, 50, 60, 70, 80. Not to mention hard mode, savage, and unreal. So yeah, if you want to raid, you don't have to wait till you're 80

[@proy3]

Shadowbringers would be the Weapons and Eden, if we're being consistent.

[@joshlithuania508]

Blizzard has begun to mald as one of the biggest streamers for their game begins to relate more to FF14.

[@okgamer0128]

And I love it. Either WoW will finally get put to rest or they will actually improve it to make a good game again. Knowing Activision, they'll put it to rest and send the team to work on CoD

[@joshlithuania508]

@@okgamer0128 I've played both FF n wow but WoW more so. I'd like to see them improve WoW since I can only enjoy burning crusade atm. It'd suck to see it go.

[@xMorbidArtx]

@@okgamer0128 They deserve to get buried.

[@skurai2503]

@@joshlithuania508 Let it go, since the old Blizzard is no more, the soul of the game is no longer there, only greed. It just like when you're in a toxic relationship, it's hard to let go but when you do and got a better relationship, it's one of the best feeling ever.

[@ArchieGamez]

If FF14 rework PVP especially when many new players are coming, Blizz are done for. Would love to see PVP rise too because i love raids in 14

[@juanvsreviews]

Story is really worth it, and I’m sure you’ve heard that a million times, but yes, it is true, once you get to 2.3 that’s where things start getting really good.

[@Toni-vy1bn]

Fresh Final Fantasy player here, when does 2.3 start kicking in?

[@balancer182]

@@Toni-vy1bn That sounds like the first expansion Heavensward, which is universally loved.

[@vadim6656]

Overrated af story LOL

[@senmaroll1006]

@@vadim6656 imagine spending hours in your free time praising wow and talking shit about ff14. But hey it’s kinda understandable when the game you play has no content

[@Solera1412]

@@Toni-vy1bn It's the leadup patch to heavensward.

[@TheCarGarZar]

This is the exact video I needed. I personally love WoW still but I just wanna try another game. My biggest worry about FF14 was the endgame. All the videos talk about casual content like story. I don’t get any enjoyment from that. I like endgame raids, tough content, rare titles, rare cosmetics, all that stuff. Gonna buy this game and start playing. I’m excited.

[@Kravenrogue]

I enjoy Both things, I only keep playing a game If I like The Story, but I also like harder Content, and I love PvP too

[@Icedmindblow]

As someone who played WoW since Vanilla and up to WoD, and as someone who knows how leveling in WoW feels compared to FFXIV, I promise you: you will LOVE the story. Yes, there are fetch quests and travel from here to there and back again quests, every RPG has that. And yet, you do way less quests to reach max level compared to WoW and actually get to enjoy the path leading there and to the endgame content. Once you will be there, you will have your "WoW feeling" back, minus the tedious grind for dailies and world stuff just to be "meta". Plus, YOU are the star of the game, not some peon in service for the Alliance/Horde and their respective Avengers team. See it as playing something like Mass Effect or Skyrim, but with an MMO in the background. Yes, the savage and ultimate raids are a real treat compared to WoW stuff, even mythic. You can't just enter with a raid composed of fire mages and rush through in minutes. And yes, FFXIV has achievements, achievement points, rare titles and mounts bound to them and cosmetics for which you need to run extreme trials and, as mentioned in the video, Ultimates.

[@nashwise4everGM]

There's a free trial that allows you to enjoy the game up till the first expansion. Give it a test drive and see whether like it.

[@TheIvanche7]

@UCa8sInK9xX7RoutplNCe-ow people comparing wow and ff.... only thing these games have in common are raids. Like people need to stop comparing these 3 games. Play whatever the fuck u want. Dude in video keeps comparing these 2 games for 30 mins. Hardcore wow player btw

[@x11vx56]

Keen to start my FF journey after watching asmon play

[@MrKai-zv9bc]

I’ve started it up already. It’s interesting, hasn’t hit the right nerve yet but I’m giving it a shot

[@ThatGBAGamer]

@@MrKai-zv9bc ya it takes a bit but once those fangs are in they don't let go lol

[@taylorrobens2761]

Welcome! I hope you enjoy your experience!

[@lizardman1303]

I wonder if he made a big spike in new players I want to start it on the ps5 . Does anyone know if its harder on console

[@remcoreminds]

@@lizardman1303 I’ve recently started on my ps4 pro. It plays really well. Also you have the option to connect a mouse and keyboard, and still game like a pc

[@hollamonm]

As someone who has done all difficulties, it's a rewarding experience, and hard as hell.

[@JoelWest]

I feel as if watching Asmon's videos at the mo is like seeing a very cool moment in gaming. THE Asmongold slowly falling into another MMO and really enjoying it. Top quality content right here.

[@MrDAVIDGBJONES]

Yeah i agree, it's great for me though as i have wanted to get in to final fantasy xiv for years but thought the the learning of new mechanics would take up alot of time etc. Luck enough i have recently broke my leg so I'm watching his videos n it's like with him switching over and the mass influx of new wow refugees starting ffxiv, i started playing at the perfect time lol.

[@TWEEMASTER2000]

im still leveling in FF14 and along the way there was a quest the let me do an "Extreme" version of a fight I had done before ( it was optional ) , but I sat and wiped with a bunch of randoms for 40 minutes, then we nailed it. It was really challenging, way more than anything I had ever done in WoW.

[@xeroskillzxiv77]

He’s also forgetting Unreal Trials which are older extreme trials tuned for the current level cap, you get one of those per patch cycle as well

[@jamvng]

i don't know if i would count those. They're just old fights made for lvl 80. Asmon will play the old fights already min ilvl, so the only different is having your full rotation.

[@ZaimGamePlay]

He's nearing the first EVAR 8 main trial!!

[@royox]

@@jamvng But he will play them in Story mode, and if you enter to the lvl50 extreme your ilvl is sync to 130 when some bosses were released when the ilvl was 90 so it's a trainwreck of skipping phases. I had a BLAST doing Shiva Unreal cause since ARR I couldn't enjoy that fight at max difficulty with all the mechanics. And Titan...OH BOY finally doing Titan EX with full difficulty without the lag we had in ARR was unreal.

[@0oSiLveRo0]

I started playing FFXIV because they wanted to make me recraft all my legendaries. As a new, 1-2 month old player, even the gold was hard to come by. Here I come FF.

[@renebaan7430]

You don't have to recraft the legendaries, they fixed that in the ptr....

[@asavel6227]

if you are mythic raider who wants to parse 95+ then yes you should recraft them,in any other scenario you don't have to

[@Maatkare]

I hope you're having fun! It's great to try new things

[@renebaan7430]

@@Frozenkex that's up to him honestly, just a friendly PSA

[@EhrgeizZF]

Asmongold Well, parsing is technically against the TOS. But... The devs know they are used. They even allow it as long as you are not using parsing to harass other players or talking about it in-game. They dot want parsing to turn the community negative, but they know people use them. Hell, Yoshi P plays (head guy for XIV), and I'm pretty confident he uses a parser, lol.

[@judithesposito2285]

Yeah, Yoshi P parses. He actually parses high 90's on Black Mage.

[@MultiLunah]

@@judithesposito2285 they were uploaded by someone else in the group. you don't have to parse yourself to get logs recorded on the site

[@EhrgeizZF]

@@xKinjax using unauthorized 3rd party mods is against ToS. I also stated that as long as you don't use them to harass people, they don't really enforce it. If I missed something, please inform me of where I spread misinformation.

[@decode3667]

I repeat this over & over again, we don't need system to keep players playing the game or active. Just make classes fun & less gatekeeping for progress. WoW is a game that's been going on for decades, everyone has alts... even most famous players in wow on specific classes have alts. Just let people play alts, make alts fun & let them play. Stop making system that you'd see in mobile games with game pass or systems based on mobile game progressions, those systems are scuffed version based on mmo progression, gear upgrades, game pass or systems that are similar are influenced by mmo talents/level progression. Why add scuffed systems when you had the original full version? It's like having the good full meal but then they add some scuffed shit that ruins the whole taste of the menu.

[@nashwise4everGM]

Yeah I really hate that your progression in an expansion doesn't matter at all when new expansion coming out. I still remember grinding artifact weapon in Legion only to have it invalidate in BFA with Azerite power. It's this kind of system makes people just quit WoW. The content gatekeeping is a problem in WoW, it show that Blizzard only care for people to continue subbing rather than making people feel want to sub for the content. The way how Square Enix and Blizzard look at progression and content is like day and night.

[@chonahli3367]

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard announces some kind of WoW Mobile version at next Blizzcon.

[@decode3667]

@Urazz The thing is, I play mobile games & I see these system of growth or development in mobile games. Sadly, mobile games use systems that are scuffed copies from MMOs, I can give examples but my point is they're using a scuffed mobile game system in a mmo which had a full course experience, instead of just a snack. True systems can be also good but reality is that the systems themselves, the progress is time gated in a similar way to mobile games. Like daily achievements, missions & so on to progress yourself through a mobile game or wow. Systems would not be bad if they did not implement them the way they are structured in mobile games.

[@michaelkpate]

I've always felt that FFXIV based gearing on Wrath - glad to see Asmongold agrees with me.

[@LashNSmash]

As a somewhere between casual and more serious, the 24 man raids are very satisfying, ESPECIALLY when they are the current top ones

[@k.vn.k]

I tried Savage - that's the limit I could do. Unless you have a dedicated team and everyone is super uber know their class skills and boss rotation, ultimate is a big punishment.

[@shiniesglitters5424]

Gear scaling is much lower in FFXIV compared to wow, you don't get to over gear fights in FFXIV.

[@rowdyretromoose]

Yep. Only exception is dungeons, and maybe extreme trials to a vastly lesser extent. If you're aiming for a challenge, minimum item level helps a touch though.

[@slimfastsubaru2043]

I mean kinda does we clear e12s a few seconds after lions now that wasn't possible before and part 2 during triple useualy. Gear allows us to skip alot of mexhs. Unless you mean just dumbfck easy don't even do mechanics anymore then ye ^^

[@Henurisongs]

gear scaling allows you to skip alot of mechanics and finish fights alot sooner than you would on min ilvl. on e9s specifically you often stopped just before the second platforms phase ended. now even without echo you can easielly finish before right after second vines. its still a chalenge and the mechs will still kill you but its nowhere near min ilvl or week 1

[@Xenitag0]

@@slimfastsubaru2043 Triple apocalypse is literally the only real mechanic left at that point in the fight tho. It's only a gearcheck after that. Kind of the same on P1, you already saw all the mechanics after lions, they just happen in a different order. Were we to skip lions, yeah, that would be a major mechanic skip. Overall, it's way less prevalent nowadays compared to Heavensward.

[@murlocpleb9787]

@@Xenitag0 most people that talk in this comment section are probably either not lv 80 or ilvl 400 , and haven;t raided once , get used to them spreading misinformation , like this video did with Alliance raids being some form of challenge when they are literaly the wow's version of LFR and become chores 2 weeks down the line.

[@itsatentaquil3152]

"I can't get carried" Felt the same way completely and incase any of you are wondering who does the most work on Savage/Ultimates content...it's dps,it's one thing when people guide you how to do it but it's another thing when you've got to execute it. Extreme's can possibly be carried or saved but one person dying in Savage/Ultimate possibly wipe. That said I still want to give WoW a try when I get a better PC. Whether people are saying anything bad about it or not. Always wanted to when I was a kid.

[@Calder90]

WoW isnt horrible. And if you are new to it you will have a good time I think. But it is on a decline and theres a lot that is bothering people, from story to gameplay systems. But at the core is still a charming game, with very smooth controls and tons of customization. I hope you enjoy yourself. I am personally sick of WoW but I do love the Warcraft Universe and have since I was like 8 and played the RTS games, and I hope the game can be good again.

[@obe22099]

My gameplay style in FFXIV is exactly like this. I have to take time off because of this type of play style makes time disappear even at the end of a patch cycle.

[@cvanims]

I'm a casual player, so anytime I hear hardcores talk about this stuff, I get anxiety. XD

[@ToyokaX]

Another fun thing is soloing older content with a blue mage (moreso to get specific spells from those bosses, but also for the fun challenge of beating the boss encounter on your own). It's something I think that FF14 does well because you're still getting use out of old content, even if the gear or items are not necessarily relevant anymore.

[@michaelrosin9408]

Yeah, I wish he had've brought up BLU and the challenge of getting the Morbol.

[@lollylula6399]

FF XIV looking more and more appealing

[@ZaimGamePlay]

It is! Being playing since storm blood the raid they offer is just pure fun and scary at the same time. But if you die you just laugh like the rest of the party cause you learn the mech

[@kalebh3419]

@@Frozenkex that's cus you're a WoW fan boy lol

[@TheNameCannotBeFound]

I really wanted to be a hardcore raider in FF14...but then I discovered Housing.

[@TairaEldritch]

I hope I get to Raid someday.. but I am a Casual in every single Game that I play and it always takes me years to finish any Game!

[@tokiri5680]

from nothing comes nothing, so just get into it. Might feel scary at the start but eventually you will enjoy it.

[@Sports5561]

Same. I want to and I always have high expectations to but my job/irl says mauhahahaha you can’t defeat me.

[@axestump3590]

I was a casual player in every single game too. But due to low barrier to entry for gear investment, I got dragged into Savage by fc mate. And my frist time there was rough, but now I like it. It also make me enjoy other content too when I try to maximize damage normal content. Nowadays, even I join new fc, people in my fc still drag people to Savage to have fun together and laugh when we fail. Some continue doing Savage, some don't go further than clearing first boss but that's okay. If you want to dip in to Savage maybe set your goal to first boss, first boss drop like half of your gear slot for this reason.

[@Oyst8Y6h]

Xiv raiding bar is super low unless you try the super HC aka clear the tier week1 or month1. EX trail is normally quite easy and is a good intro to raiding. If you have a group where ppl raided before you can normally go in blind and clear in two lockouts. Each tier has 4 fights. The 1st is normally debatably same difficulty as EX. And difficulty increase gradually. 3rd fight has a dps jump where most ppl/party finder will first encounter a door the first month. It’s something you can gear over tho. Then the last fight is where the fun lives XD so try it out if you can find a group. Def worth it. I run a casual static rn. It’s something I used to learn other roles after I cleared the tier on my main to help new ppl getting into raid.

[@ArchieGamez]

I literally had zero experience in MMOs yet i managed to clear Eden Promise savage, if i can do it you can with enough time and practice you can do it

[@blackyvertigo]

"this is like wrath.." because wrath was peak wow and peak mmorpg gameplay. these devs aren't stupid, and they actually play these games.

[@Calder90]

If I remember correctly, Yoshi P had all the devs play WoW when they were redesigning FF and I believe that was around Wrath/Cata.

[@gianghuynh9570]

Parsing in 14 actually still needs a lot of personal skill. You need to know how to keep uptime, how the fight works and manage your abilities.

[@DarkNova50]

Having come from WoW myself, I asked somebody who's been playing FFXIV for a while if they'd noticed a recent influx of players, and several people said they had. If true, it's pretty sad that people are leaving WoW in big enough numbers that it's actually being noticed by the players of another game.

[@UnspecifiedHealer]

A game stops being fun when it starts to feel like a job. I quit WoW years ago because it wasn't fun, it was a job I HAD to do. What I've said since that time is that if I have to schedule my life around a game I don't want to play it. I do not want to feel like I can't just do something else for a day or ten. If I'm going to be punished for not playing a game something is seriously wrong with that game.

[@Nugetsi]

Exactly this! I used to love to take time off work when an expansion launched, play my ass off for a few weeks and then usually just raid log to raid with my guildies/friends. It worked perfectly for me, but since Legion this has not been possible since you fall so far behind to really be able to raid Mythic.

[@nashwise4everGM]

My grips with WoW is that the grind that you did on current expansion will just got invalidate when new expansion coming out. That artifact weapon grind that you did during Legion? Doesn't matter because it will get replaced by Azerite Power in BFA. Things like that just make people doesn't want to buy new expansion when it coming out.

[@darknight602]

@@nashwise4everGM game sucks, doesn’t matter 😂

[@MrKlarc19]

I get wanting to do end game raids but skipping the story and not even knowing why you're doing a raid is kinda defeating the purpose of final fantasy game that is very story focused.

[@turtleborn]

16:26 personally it was the oposite once i cleared the insane boss fight after banging my head on the wall for hours id just never do them again

[@Navinor]

True words. I was playing. World of Warships for a long time. The game forces you to log in everyday. The so called "dailies" take up to 3 hours to complete, because you need to win battles to complete them. When you are on a loosing streak it is such a drag to do the dailies. When you don't do the dailies you won't get the best ships. In the end i stopped playing. Because after grinding for a whole year for a certain ship it got nerfed into the ground. This killed all motivation.

[@KLGChaos]

For level sync, a LOT of old content does become easier with better gear. Especially old dungeons and the like, and a lot of old Ex-Trials. Ultimates and Savage stuff, while better gear might make a minute difference, won't really be impacted by that because the fights are more about the mechanics than the numbers. They've also introduced Unreal fights where they take old Ex-Trial fights and scale them up with some mechanics to the highest level, making them more challenging than if they were synced.

[@Crawver]

Yes and no. A lot of the level sync will sync you down to item levels of that expension, but expansions have a lot of variance with their item levels. So for example, doing ravana item synced, you will be playing at item level 270. Hugely overgeared. However, ultimates lock you in to the specific item level of their release. Also, absolutely the item level does make a huge difference. I was redoing some titania last week, having not touched her since 5.0. We were clearing her in 5 minutes, when she's meant to be a 9 and a half minute fight.

[@k.vn.k]

Contrary to general belief, parsing end game raid doesn't actually benefit the team progress. Unless you are playing by yourself, parsing benefits nothing in group setting but individual meter. That's why the game has a gear level system as requirement entry.

[@Norsedadgaming]

Saying you could take a break from shadowlands for months and come back and still have the best gear isn't the same. Shadowlands has had no content thats relevant for months on months.

[@alexs5349]

To be fair once you have cleared everything FF doesnt have content for months on months unless you wanna do it on alt jobs

[@Norsedadgaming]

@@alexs5349 and that's the difference from ff14 and WOW, you can choose to do the raids on all jobs without having to play 10hrs a day on all your alts in WOW just to keep up with renown levels soul ash etc etc.

[@Py687]

Correction, there is gear that can sync down and give you 100-200 more DPS. Relic weapons (just long but casual grinds) can have higher substats even when synced down. Plus the food and potions as mentioned.

[@jewii3824]

finally someone talking about raiding rather than story, petting cat girls or fishing. Story drew me to the game since I am a long time ff fan, but it's raiding that kept me. I honestly don't give a crap about anything else in the game.

[@RogueEnergyDrink]

The lack of “big dick flexing” things in WoW and a move towards making things easier and less exclusive really kills WoW

[@PaganMinn]

just started ff14 a couple days ago. not usually into the whole anime type look but something about the game is very luring. coming from wow (13 years) its very different but enjoyable.

[@prenti1211]

I'm not sure if anyone made note of this. I don't know if this mechanic works in Ultimate because I'm not part of the less than 1% that does that content, but I know older Savage and Extreme content have what's called the Echo buff. After lasting so long against a boss and then wiping, you gain the Echo which buffs stats, making it easier to defeat that boss, and the buff stacks multiple times depending on how many solid attempts you make on it. However, if you want that added challenge on top of being iLvl synced, you can also physically click off the buff so progression does not get easier the more attempts you make on the boss. This is another fun little features that adds fun to the raid experience.

[@eryes1218]

Ultimates have no echo buff, but the way gear scaling works mean that with current gear, food and relic weapons, your stats are way higher than they were on release, so you still kinda outgear them and have an easier DPS/mitigation check.

[@prenti1211]

Yes, that's true. However, you can further mitigate that scaling by wearing gear according to the content you're doing, if you want to do that to begin with. And even if not, even with how scaling works with current gear, there's still plenty of challenge to be had either way. It's not perfect, but it can still make it fun.

[@keimojeppe]

Linked the original video to my co-workers who has been talking mad shit about FF XIV without knowing anything and saying things like " WoW raiding is far superior and better and harder blaablaablaa" . been really quiet after seeing the video..

[@Deceitt]

but most people who actually experienced both raids in FF XIV and WoW, FF XIV raiding is what they call dance fight, every mechanics will have a programmed thing to do, you don't have to solve anything, you don't have to do a lot of adjustments between pull, you just need to go where to go and when to go to that position, when to use your knockback resists etc WoW (at least mythic raiding) is mostly about solving each fight, raid leaders will have to make calls that will affect the fights, there are a lot of risky calls that can be made and comp adjustment can be tailored to make fight harder or easier. The strat for the world first clears might not apply to your group because of different comp and you have to figure out workarounds for this. You have to make adjustments in between pull and during the pull, like for example, our tank might need a breather during the Council fight while kiting (because a certain mob hits so hard that cant be facetanked) and a hunter or dps warrior taunted the mob and leap away to kite, giving space for the tank to taunt it back after the space has been created. This kind of decision making is what I enjoy most in WoW.

[@Xenitag0]

@@paulogaspar8295 Did you prog UwU or TEA blind ? Go do that and come back talking about not solving the fight.

[@Deceitt]

@@Xenitag0 the fight is solved already man. You just need to execute it. The explosions are set where to go clockwise, the protean are already designed to be baited in a specific positions, the dash during the explosions are already determined on how to handle. I am not saying that its easy to execute it, what im saying is its a dance fight.

[@Xenitag0]

@@Deceitt I never said the opposite : noone will say FF14 fights aren't "dance" fights. And there's no problem with that. There are exceptions to this in every fight tho with certain randomness to it (Midgarsormr in O10s, or E10s come first to mind : you can't do the same thing each and every time or you die, later fights also have that stuff, but it's the most visible in those two). But what I meant was that UwU and TEA blind progression is incredibly cryptic. If you don't pay attention to buffs (that might not even appear) or even to story elements of the original raids, you will miss vital parts of the strat that will wipe you later on in the fight. Even non-cryptic stuff still sometimes has loads of stuff that you need to deal differently with : Wormhole phase in TEA needs you to literally learn what each and every possibility is else you might die to it and wipe. Basically that's mostly a design philosophy difference. And if you don't like it, well... sorry for you ?

[@Deceitt]

@@Xenitag0 ​ even hardcore raiders of final fantasy 14 know its dance fight, im not saying its a bad thing, its a dance fight, that's a fact, TEA is the most dance fight I've seen of all dance fight. you said it, you just need to know what each wormhole will do. stop arguing about this

[@LaDOSEBatou]

I am an old French player, and I am so proud to own the title "Death's Demise" on WoW ! (Yogg 0 keeper) It was the climax for me ! The good old times !

[@darknight602]

Cool

[@darknight602]

@@Frozenkex nope, nice try kid. It’s very old

[@tiduswhiteblade8535]

One thing I love about FFXIV is how they executed blue mage. It wasn't great when it first released, and it was confusing to a lot of people; but what I learned was that Blue Mage was one way they could have players engage with older hard content. That's what I love about Yoshi-P and the devs, they always look for ways to keep older content somewhat relevant by allowing you to experience it in a different way, and rewarding you for your time. I just got my Morbol Mount, so yeah, there tons of ways to engage with the content in this game.

[@Kyagara]

hey its lynx! happy to see asmon react to one of his videos

[@BruceKarrde]

28:00 I love how Asmon mentions "burning out" as a consequence of game systems. While Blizzard wants retention and keeping people as long as possible in their game (so they cannot play other games), it eventually has a cost. Now, Blizzard won't pay that cost - you already subbed 6 months to get that "free" mount.

[@jakubk8139]

Unshowered smelly raid gods * intensively looks into the camera * :D

[@andrewls2011]

I did a blind prog on E9S for ffxiv drunk then beat it a few months later while having to pee to the point where I couldn't even celebrate our clear. It wasn't at all easy, since we were running with half a static and fill ins, but the payoff at the end felt amazing and those memories are still shared in our discord today. That was my first run at "high end content" and, while I completed E9S-E12S several times now, that feeling has never gone away for me and probably won't until a few expansions have passed. Really looking forward to what Endwalker has to offer because Shadowbringers is a tough act to follow.

[@Kushrada]

As someone whose done both casual PVE content and a large part of the raiding content in 14, yeah, a lot of the story content is piss easy in retrospect. Most story content is designed in a way where you cant lose. This does change drastically with the raid content. Alliance raid is hard mainly cause one team either sucks or are actively trying to wipe the raid some times. Savage content that requires a static to complete or an FC are another ball park altogether. Very rarely will party finder guarantee a streak of clears, sometimes the party is designed in a way to screw you out of loot. Personally would recommend doing such content with an FC, only issue is due to Asmons popularity/notoriety he may have a few bad experiences in trying. Wish best of luck.

[@Antiyoukai]

I just cleared the recent savage tier with a pf. Took me a month. A good static should be faster, I think.

[@Gyrono]

For Alliance raids it depends, as occasionally you get bosses like Ozma or Thunder God, though they are rare and Square have nerfed them since their releases.

[@Kushrada]

@@poisonated7467 To clarify its like that for most of the ARR lvls 1-50 areas with a lot of the lvl 50 content getting progressively more challenging due to the time gap between the main campaign and Heavens Ward expansion. They did add content like Palace of the dead and Heaven on high that is not raid level but very challenging. So I wouldn't say the entire game is like that, just front loaded with handholding content.

[@Kushrada]

@@poisonated7467 Content as in generalized stuff, dungeons, trials, leves and instances. Cant say anything about crafting, never done it in all these years, though my bro got all lvl 80 crafter classes and never did a single crafting story quest so I guess its easy outside of material acquisition.

[@NessieNice]

@@paulogaspar8295 Players take things even more personally when they actively being bothered/rewarded by NPCs. Making a movie out of FFXIV will make viewer feel things, but playing make it even more personal because you can actually hate/love things with passion and with personal reasons. Not saying that it can't be a movie, but certainly the experience will be pale on comparison.

[@AwkwardDreamer]

It hurts that we almost pugged Tribute to Immortality and lost it at the literal last 5 seconds cause someone thought they could bubble and stand in spikes instead of playing it safe :>

[@iaig1419]

I tried FF14 I did not enjoy it that much, however I am really happy that a lot of wow player went to play FF14 so maybe now Wow would make their game better when they see how FF14 is a really good competitor.

[@LagunaLeonhart]

In FFXIV the Free Company is much more casual than a Guild in WoW. Those players who want to grind Savage or Ultimates can join what we call a Static by searching for other players who want to schedule time to clear certain content regularly. That's the equivalent of scheduled guild raids in WoW.

[@chestermadrigals45]

i kinda burnt myself out on ff for a min took a breakfor a while. all these ff vids have gottem me excited to play the game again :)

[@flutteringwings123]

if you enjoy fights that put a lot of emphasis on party trust and cooperation, may i suggest: eden's promise: umbra (savage), colloquially known as e9s it's major "gimmick" is a roughly minute and a half long phase where the entire floor becomes a set of 12 tiles, and none of the tiles can hold more than one player lest the entire tile disappears, causing everyone on it to fall to their death. and there are multiple mechanics during this phase that require the party to shuffle their positions on the tiles in order to dodge large aoes in a coordinated manner so as to avoid murdering a party member. also, tiles will disappear if you stay on the same one for too long so you have to move around in order to refresh the tile counter.... 12 tiles for 8 people. have fun :)

[@Sque333]

When I was in your discord like a month or two ago. I wrote a statement that I could no longer support Blizzard. I got bashed in chat about that. Looks like now every one is now jumping games. Funny how people will follow you.

[@jonlester9686]

To call housing in ff14 casual content is to be completely unaware of how housing works in ff14. There is a reason they call it Savage Housing. (savage is the ff version of mythic)

[@laverathanf2073]

Good video. One gripe; not really digging the whole casual vs hardcore vibe being non raiders vs raiders. Housing has a huge barrier to entry. Crafting used to be prestige, and is still intimidating, but was made more available because it was too hardcore for too many years.