Marvel Rivals gamers vs DEI slop enjoyers

[@deltor5849]

It's still retaining 90% of its peak playerbase since launch. And the journalists say people are tired of hero shooters... No, we're tired of slop

[@ryze9153]

Now I'm not a fan of hero shooters, just not my thing; however, the hero shooter genre is not the problem, it's the bad ones.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

to be fair overwatch falling off does free some room for a game that doesn't suck.

[@AndrewB383]

​@ryze9153 this applies to (nearly) every genre though, why do they insist on pushing absolute slop? You can be inclusive in a game that isn't unaesthetic and boring.

[@vipergaming6965]

Bad games get bad reviews. Haven't played rivals but the community seems to really enjoy it. That's how you do it. Can't make everyone happy but seems rivals are damn near doing so.

[@dwhite-mann5399]

90% retained is BS one quick search can show you that doesn't add up lol. But I won't say its good or bad because I don't play it tbh

[@the5thmemelord256]

"It's _Marvel!_ They're _Superheroes!_ " Fucking thank you, Asmon. I can't believe this needed to be said.

[@Adir-Yosef]

in their world the Heros are villains if they are white.

[@tjayk9127]

It doesn’t need to be said, the normal people already understand that. Weirdos are going to be weird what’s there to talk about with them.

[@toh6261]

Yup, via "free" Chinese software...

[@ahakiarata]

this comment had 333 likes but i RUINED it and made it 334, muahahahaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa 😈😈

[@the5thmemelord256]

@@ahakiarata You savage fiend!!! 😭 Woe upon you and your houses!!!!

[@Dailyblazer19]

Hawk Eye vs Hawk Guy Black Widow vs Single Mom Iron Man vs Aluminum Can Thor vs Prince Charming

[@thefallen2220]

Prince Charming😭

[@Ignirium]

Thor vs Hobo

[@Sanjixoxo]

Lost my shit at Aluminum can 😂😂😂

[@TallicaMan1986]

Hot guy*

[@thesupercd]

*Hawk Eye VS Hawk Tuah

[@Zkid531]

13:25 I know growing up in the 90's and 00's, if someone spoke for the group, it was a very common clapback for someone to say "Speak for yourself!" because it was considered manipulative/wrong to assume everyone agreed with you, when in fact we don't all agree. But now the person speaking can be on a platform and say "We all want this" and the comment of "Speak for yourself" can be buried in a sea of dumb replies. It's way more likely that the speaker can get away with that manipulation these days.

[@farharbor3178]

"We need more [ABC] in [XYZ]" ..... 1. There is no 'We'. 2. No. XYZ never 'needs' anything.... it does not have needs. 3. XYZ is not deficient in its current state, and the addition of ABC would not improve it. 4. There will never be a valid moral imperative to add ABC into XYZ.

[@tri-edge4309]

Because in olden days, people with fringe ideologies, lunatics, etc. would be one or two in the community. its hard for them to find those who would actually agree with their bad take. Social media breaks that barrier.

[@Rivershield]

Nowadays we are dealing with a new phenomena which is tourists. Be them ideologues or not, tourists are people who become interested in a hobby because it has gone mainstream, it's the current cool thing to like. They don't have a genuine interest on the hobby. As such, these people tend to not understand what the hobby is about or what made it great in the first place. In order to define what it is about and what made it great we have to defer to the previously existent collective agreement, which is why we (or at least me personaly) appeal to such agreement. Rather than it being a manipulation tactic, it's actually a descriptor. That's how we gatekeep our beloved franchises from tourists. Therefore, people who obcess with their individual opinions and say "speak for yourself" are, in my experience, precisely the tourists who don't understand the hobby. They appeal to their individual tastes and interpretations rather than embracing the Canon.

[@daniel29263]

5:00 "realistic" in a hero shooter game based on comic book super heros. Like, what was that chatter talking about...

[@freedomandguns3231]

"Realistic" as defined by what your average Joe looks like rather than what is humanly achievable as well

[@daniel29263]

@freedomandguns3231 and what does that have to do with being a super hero with super powers? It's not supposed to be realistic...

[@freedomandguns3231]

@@daniel29263 thats part of the point. The fact that they make them look like average Joes and dont even give us the higher end of realistic human beauty makes it worse.

[@patwhw]

I just thought, isn't that game more based on the movies? Considering what they look like. And in the movies they look like normal humans.

[@KIager]

​@@patwhw Then they should've made them look like the actors. Regarding the "realism", the Suicide Squad also goes for photorealism, yet the designs pop way more than Avengers.

[@abrahamissac5938]

Audience vs Fake Audience.

[@SpecShadow]

*modern audience

[@GokuSolosAnime]

@@SpecShadowdoesn’t exist

[@Seriously_Bro.]

Thats very offensive

[@misantrope6267]

@@GokuSolosAnime I honestly feel like it does, but they just can't make a good game to safe their live

[@mukamuka0]

Money vs Bankruptcy

[@AerysTMD]

"Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles" - Anonymous

[@john.hunter]

That was perfect foreshadowing

[@cipher01]

In today's world this is true. Just look at your local corporate office.

[@nuca5104]

He never said that... it's a fake quote that caught on.

[@wahahabuh]

​@@olyaddewo2379it's relevant because that is exactly what is happening and leading to the BS

[@tukos7370]

isn't it the intelligent that are screeching?

[@TropicaIJay]

Literally whenever someone complains about "Lack of diversity" The game usually always ends up being good. Funny how that works...

[@Thebossstage1]

And does well financially.

[@swwl5461]

where they go with pitchfork and torch we shall go with wine and popcorn

[@tjeffrey3465]

And Rivals has tons of diversity too, it’s just the characters aren’t ugly and fat

[@defriseout7427]

Its not an unfair criticism of marvel rivals to say that most of the female characters have generic designs in the way of their body types and pretty faces. This criticism has naught to do with the gameplay (Its good) and people play games because the gameplay is engaging. Marvel rivals gets a small pass because their characters are based on existing characters from superhero comics, but honestly i wish they could do more with the designs. Squirrel girl is about as far as they can go - and she isnt even fat, just not super skinny.

[@wrmusic8736]

I really want to see somebody making a game full of diversity set in the Germany of the late 1930s/early 1940s with Asians and black people feeling happy in that glorious country and gladly commanding the army too. Why is no DEI activists trying to push for that? Not fair.

[@AspienWaifu]

Reddit is the DEI version of 4chan

[@code066funkinbird3]

And it even uglier

[@smievil]

4chan is proper diversity and equity, but maybe not inclusive

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

Why'd they even infest reddit is beyond me. I wish they never proliferated there.

[@randomgaming8007]

@@smievil inclusively exclusive

[@HangMrH]

No bc as twisted as 4chan is, it’s trying to have some fun, Reddit sometimes is just pathetic

[@daeryk6424]

A chatter said it best: The Avengers vs. The Averages

[@boxboxer4183]

😂 good one

[@Official_RetroMania]

Give fans what they want = receive their money in return, that simple AAA industry.

[@jaughnekow]

I would to see the alphabet folks and those who agree to DEI open their own game company. I wanna see how it goes

[@gerald9815]

@@jaughnekow they need to latch on an established IPs in order to survive. just look at dustborn, unknown 9 etc.

[@asdfbij]

wait but what about my identity???

[@benboothroyd1523]

@@jaughnekow nah, they can only destroy rather than create. that's why they infiltrate already successful brands / companies eg Bethesda, Activision, Blizzard. No-one wants to play their games on merit alone.

[@xGodWontSaveUx]

​@@asdfbijtough question what is a woman? 🧐

[@seba108ron8]

I identify as non buy-nary for any DEI related projects... what more can I say

[@yipperdeyip]

As a minority, same.

[@dankdaze42069]

​​@@yipperdeyipWhat do you mean minority... What does that word even mean to you🤔

[@xkiri7484]

Same here. It's crazy how "game journos" and "devs" keep discriminating against us, non-buynary people. Stay strong and keep your wallet safe from those bigots.

[@vSOULvTHIEFv]

Same lmao

[@blind_surgeon]

Very original joke

[@oiberon]

capt american in rivals a hero, capt america in avengers a guy in hockey pads.

[@CheapCreep]

The Dark Knight: "I'm not wearing hockey pants"

[@Efgand0894]

And he looks depressed

[@robertarnold592]

@@CheapCreepexactly, just like the scene from the Dark Knight.

[@aggrocd1985]

​@@CheapCreep Hockey pads* not pants

[@CheapCreep]

@@aggrocd1985 my bad, it's hard to tell what Christian Bale's Batman is saying, as it sounds like he just gargled road gravel.

[@Ethan-yd4gn]

The best part is that Rivals is totally inclusive. Having character of all sexes and races, even alien ones. Its never been about inclusion, it was always about intention and execution

[@budthecyborg4575]

7:44 "Rivals Thor head is too small" That is what everyone says about Bodybuilders.

[@fluffypinkpandas]

"the right is realistic" nah the right is just some guy. I really wish people would stop associating realistic bodies with average bodies. Realistic does not mean average.

[@tenkuken7168]

Guy and trans

[@doomspud6302]

Exactly! Superheroes aren't supposed to be realistic. The entire reason Rivals looks so good, and Avengers doesn't, is ENTIRELY because one is over the top stylized, and the other has zero style. Back in their prime, Marvel comics had a whole artists guide on how to draw superheroes. And the core principle of it was to always make them larger than life. Make the men taller and more muscular, and the women more curvy and beautiful, than any real person. That's what makes them look like SUPERheroes. They also had rules about how to pose them. Shoulders back, chest out, and head held high, so they always look impressive. Because heroes don't slouch. Rivals does this perfectly, while Avengers never did. Even the MCU got this right, by casting the most amazing actors they could. People like Scarlet Johansen, and Chris Hemsworth are perfect for playing superheroes, because they are at the peak of real human beauty. And even then they only achieved that look with millions of dollars of extra help. But, again, that's what you should expect from SUPERheroes.

[@Shiirow]

there are plenty of examples of drawing them realistically without making them ugly, bland and dumpy. Just look at any Alex Ross drawn comic, they are always in a realistic style but they look 100 times better than that Avengers game.

[@bllllood]

well ppl lack iq......the same sorta happent with FF7....ppl asked for a remake when what they actually meant was a remaster with some extra features/content some wording can be misinterpret...honestly if someone can't tell the difference better to double check with the speakers while this is an issue of its own, the insertion of politics in games problem is another issue(1 which is not caused due to bad wordings), they rly know what they're doing by putting it in and that should honestly stop

[@WanHakimi-xc8ge]

It's not about being realistic here, it's about being unique and attractive and clearly the character design on the left one looks way awesome compared to the right. For goodness sake, they're SUPERHEROES, not the average guy in costumes

[@baalconnorlarsson789]

"but is realistic." My man... there is a guy that turns green and his muscles grow when he gets angry, that's not very realistic...

[@Twonn]

its almost like they are talking about the art style or something...

[@moosehorse9972]

@@Twonnyuh cause no hot people or muscly people exist irl

[@siddharthsirvaiya3544]

Thee is a difference in realistic logic and realistic graphics, but yeah those models are still bad.

[@francoisturgeon1176]

goddamn .. .dont post on y0utube comment section ever again man ... holy f

[@naoko3749]

​@@TwonnJust as invalid of a point. Comic book characters do not need to have a realistic style. If the audience universally agrees stylization looks better than "realistic", then stylize your game.

[@kireta21]

for me it's simple: Left: inspired by original comics. Sharp and heroic. Right: trying to look like modern hollywood slop

[@Faude18]

Tbf the right designs look more like the original comic designs. The rivals designs look like they come from an avengers future spin off.

[@luizotavio44]

@@Faude18 widow, cap, bucky and black panther come from the 2099 universe in marvel rivals punisher too i think so that explains the futuristic tech

[@pearodox]

Not even though. If they would have just copied the design of the MCU characters, it would have looked great. Instead they made all of them look like middle aged single parents that are chaperoning a middle school Halloween dance.

[@luizotavio44]

@@pearodox single father of 5 children look

[@DrunkArtTeacher]

@@kireta21 yea more color

[@doomspud6302]

Avengers isn't depicting realism, its depicting mediocrity. And SUPERheroes should never be mediocre. Statistically, being a slouching dad-bod in a crappy dollar store costume may be all the majority of us could hope for in real life. But then, why would we ever want that in our escapist entertainment? The fact that the people that create and support art that tries to glorify mediocrity, clearly don't want to even pretend to be anything better than the human trash heap they are in real life, is pathetic. And the sooner we can ridicule them out of the media, and back into the dark corners of the internet, where they belong, the better.

[@DepressoEspresso-hk3yw]

I love how they (Marvel's Avengers) somehow managed to mess up Iron Man's design despite having over a decade with the MCU, which kept pumping out solid suit designs.

[@Unclaimed_Username]

Isn't NetEase a chinese company? The fact that THEY did Black Panther considerably better than a western company is frankly baffling. Like how do you let the guys who edited the actor out of his own poster do Black Panther better than you, holy shit!

[@FunkySoulNinja13]

I thought exactly the same thing!!!

[@ryana5435]

What do you mean by your last sentence? Edited the actor out of poster? What? You over generalized billions of people and thought they are same and thought people who are in charge of censorship are also NetEase employees lmao. Classic stereotyping and rAcIsT

[@ryana5435]

Y’all live in your own bubbles and have biases and misbeliefs about something BTW Chinese believe that Black Panther is homage to Black Panther Party even thought these two have no relations and it’s just a coincidence

[@longiusaescius2537]

@ryana5435 coincidence lmao

[@xanapy]

@@ryana5435get a load of this guy

[@Sets.]

Breaking news: DEI slop enjoyers have achieved the impossible-proving you can simultaneously chew, virtue signal, and miss the point entirely.

[@KingTaxEvasion]

Tune in next time on fox news

[@thebunz7]

The wokes really are restarded.⬆️

[@waynemorgan6153]

Notice that whenever the DEI slop enjoyers bring up unrealistic characters they never cite Abby from TLOU2. A character based on a female fitness model who is hocked up PEDs and is no way representative of what is "realistic" by their standards.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Ikr, and along with PEDs, how did Abbeast get enough food consistently -- in a post-apocalyptic world -- to keep dirty bulking?

[@brianestrada1993]

Plus Abby is 17 which makes her build even more unrealistic in a post-apocalyptic world.

[@dmaa88]

Didn't the WLF have like a fully functioning/stocked commune? I remember the chow hall scene making it seem that way, it's not like the fauna and flora was wiped out. Abby's model doesn't look roided out, traps aren't mountains, no signs of acne scarring, not ridiculously veiny... I mean, she's big, but she's not Renee Campbell big (natty my ass), shoulda used Lean Beff Patty for the base model, now that's a mommy.

[@dioseolo]

I guess they also had fully functioning gyms for bodybuilding and uninterrupted steroid production line for under age girls after 95% of the world got infected lol perfect sense 😆 ​@@dmaa88

[@liwojenkins]

@@dmaa88 When I see "her", all I can think of is Eugene Porter from TWD except he has better hair.

[@jakebrodowski9]

Whoever said the right one is realistic doesn't know shit about Hawkeye. Hawkeye's bow has draw weight of 250 lbs. He's gotta be borderline super human to draw that and shoot it and he does so sometimes hundreds of times in a day. Hawkeye would look pretty jack in his arms shoulders and back.

[@DaDaDo661]

Right, I don't think there's anyone on earth that can draw a 250lb bow let alone multiple times. I consider myself very strong and a 100lb bow was terrifying

[@kneecap161]

Any games that have DEI or is involved with sweet baby inc i will never buy

[@code066funkinbird3]

And say is go woke and go broke

[@Czah5]

DO NOT SHUT DOWN REDDIT! It will be like a Ghostbusters situation and the ghouls will be unleashed upon the rest of the internet.

[@rallokkcaz]

Yeah how has nobody learned from the tumble porn ban?

[@ED-gw9rg]

That's what I'm thinking, too. Let them be in their self destructive bubbles, so they don't go elsewhere.

[@Aro9313]

Keep them in containment lol

[@HangMrH]

Same thing with Bluesky, then they won’t unleash everything on twitter

[@dominiqueodom3099]

Maybe if they stopped hiring people whos only qualifications are to "make characters ugly so that no one is offended " we'd see more successful games

[@youtubasoarus]

Well that's only part of it. They're not even being hired for their qualifications in the first place. They're being hired to fill a quota for social scoring points, not on their abilities. Basically a warm body in a chair they can then check off on a list.

[@2Syndras1Cup]

No one? Anyone that planned to buy the game in the first place got offended and fked right off, so their plans are firing back.

[@ComicsAreEscapism]

If you think artists want to model these things you are way off. It’s coming from licensing.

[@purplefanta7142]

American slop production studios: Made me lose interest in heroes completely Marvel Rivals: Made me remember how much I love heroes and even introduce me to new heroes I like even more (magik)

[@Jadty]

Asia ALWAYS wins.

[@Dussmasterzero]

Watch New Mutants she was in that movie.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

Magic is so cool. Mutant that got stuck in hell by accident until she learned sorcery to fight her way out. Also the final fantasy sword helps a lot.

[@purplefanta7142]

@@Dussmasterzero Hollywood slop imo sorry.

[@Dussmasterzero]

@@purplefanta7142 whatever dude it wasn't bad

[@MD-ex7cg]

11:55 speaking of this, on one of the fnafs steam community page, there's someone claiming that it's the people who bought the games fault that trump won, because the creator supports trump.

[@oh_sweet]

That would be an interesting sight, Freddy Fazbear and co being deployed against the cartels

[@Crusading]

5:53 black panther on the right looks more like Black Noir from The Boys lmao

[@georgesd2167]

Marvel Rivals has been much more fun to play than I thought it would.

[@ItsAjxTwentyOne]

Your first comment congrats 🎉

[@wrestlingPC]

@@ItsAjxTwentyOne No, he commented 5 months ago

[@SomeGuyFromBahrain]

Couldn’t agree more

[@greenbean4422]

​@@wrestlingPC it's a bot

[@Indigoisms32]

I like that it's so fast between matches, there's little to no downtime between matches

[@vojtam5063]

Realistic superheroes is oxymoron

[@lexnight8345]

... no, we have a realistic expectaiom of a concept. So we expect superheroes to have peak body 🗿

[@lukeGGlee]

@@lexnight8345but there can be fat superheroes like Sumo wrestlers

[@Tttt-740]

​@@lukeGGleelike E Honda my favorite super hero

[@lexnight8345]

@@lukeGGlee you have a big misconception about sumo... they're not actually fat

[@berkekaradag1410]

Realism is not the problem. Live action movie counter parts are far more cooler. Hawkeye in the movies is a cool guy. Hawkeye in the Avengers game looks like a random dude with pajamas. I know normal people that look more athletic and cooler than this superheroes.

[@noobmasterchief4314]

The Ironman comparison: Billionaire vs "Crypto" Billionaire

[@Rhyhmx]

I love how these people think archers irl are supposed to be these stick figures. Even if someone shoots a fairly low kg weight bow and isnt really muscular they would still have really well toned back and arm muscles. If you want warbows then it's at least a 40 - 50 kg draw weight which was considered a "lighter" draw for a warbow during the middle ages with 70-80+ being "heavy". You have to be jacked to draw back 40 kg each shot you make and im pretty sure since its a comic book Hawkeye's bow is easily over 100 kg to give it more penetration and power.

[@Ghostman128x]

Modern audiences didn’t play overwatch, they play social media to complain about non dei stuff or praise dei. Honestly they don’t exist to the gaming community since they don’t really play games.

[@rickybell]

4:08... in my anthropology class the doctor that thought it for us gave us an explanation about female vs male body types... basically you have a triangle with the pointy head up meaning the base is wider... that's a female body type cause the hips are wider than the shoulders whilst the male body type is a triangle with the pointy head down meaning the shoulders are broader than the hips... so this isn't always the norm but in most cases it is... so the moment we see women with broader shoulders it enters in the uncanny valley just like if we see men with broader hips...

[@exu7325]

Maybe you're remembering the lecture wrong. The average (and ideal) shoulder to hip ratio for women is 1:1.

[@hoezart6027]

This is a crazy incel comment lol​@@exu7325

[@orionkenya1]

@@exu7325I think your right, it’s their waist that’s smaller than their hips creating the signature hour glass shape if I’m not mistaken

[@mukamuka0]

3:52 and Black widow suppose to use her sexiness to do her spy job. How TF would she do that if she's look like on the right

[@Grauer1510]

Maybe the security guard is a blind lesbian. 🤔

[@HaxxorElite]

Both look fine bro

[@JamesSmith-xk1fb]

​@HaxxorElite no they don't 😂 youre a liar mate your word means nothing 😂

[@awen4784]

​@@HaxxorEliteNo

[@RogerCaplan]

@@HaxxorElite No. One of them looks FIIINE... the other looks... okay.

[@taylorphillips358]

I can not wait for the next 4 years of gaming to happen, so that I can never see this dei slop again. Major changes are happening right now and this almost cult like activist slop will be completely purged from gaming because of how much money these corporations have lost from their poor decisions.

[@PoP_Corn2010]

Brother there won’t be 4 y were like to have 2 😂

[@Bordapatrol]

Marvel is more DEI than any other company gamers interact with...

[@queteimporta7262]

Hate to be the one to say it but companies are not backing down. They are prepared to use a lot of underhanded methods to still push agenda, like introducing all the inclusion crap past the early states of the game to appeal to the sunk fallacy and reject refunds, or advertising the game as being free of dei aspects until its out and the cat out of the bag. Triple A does need to exist but personally, the future lies with indie developers, big companies are too deep in an echo chamber.

[@GigglingStoners]

It will go away when Blackrock goes under - never

[@ShowerOnceYearly]

I've given up on next gen games Im just gonna keep playing my ps4

[@Trickbot7000]

The designs from the Avengers game look like the designs from the marvel movies before they had a serious costume budget. While the Rivals designs look like what we expect the characters to look like with necessary exaggeration. It’s not that the designs on the right are realistic, more like they’re cheap. They’re based on low budget cheap designs- when the point of art like this is to go beyond what is considered realistic. The standard has been set. Time for studios to catch up

[@ChewnaSamich]

4:38 Excusing the right by calling it "realistic" is insane. Outfit aside, do they think every single human is the same? Do body builders not exist? There's actual people who are built just like the left. In fact not many of the Marvel's Rivals characters have such an exaggerated physique that you could not find a human that looks basically just like it. (Comic books had far more exaggerated physiques) Not to mention what Asmon said about cosplayers making way better outfits as well. Edit: Side note, what's the point in maiking a videogame about superheros if you take away the super? If the black widow in the right game was an actual woman, she wouldn't be ugly, but she would not be super. All the dudes are just normal dudes. Its some mumen rider tier super heroes.

[@kaizerk4321]

Also Thor is a god. He can easily not follow human standard

[@logandunlap9156]

that is an insane insult to mumen rider, but i agree with the overall sentiment super heroes should be SUPER. fantasy should be FANTASTIC.

[@RaifSeverence]

Funnily enough, the POE2 'classes' ARE actually characters in game. If you dont pay attention to the interactions between people, you may not notice it. For instance, in act 1, when you first get to the camp, the blacksmith asks if you've seen his son, IF you are playing as any class OTHER than warrior. But if you play warrior, he'll comment about how worried he's been since you disappeared. Same in act 2. If you play as any class besides sorceress, you are treated as a stranger to them, whereas, if you play as sorceress, youre treated as an exile returning home.

[@leld211]

Exactly just like diablo 1 and 2.

[@superstraight2667]

Witch calls enemy rare, unique boss witches as sister.

[@StuRedman]

@@leld211 And in Diablo 4 you find the corpse of Rathma and if you play as Necro there is - no special dialogue at all.

[@Evanz111]

The witch has a lot of fun interactions with necromancer enemies

[@Trazynn]

Overwatch ran into the trap of everything being too balanced, too sophisticated, too team-work heavy. In Marvel Rivals casuals can simply have fun and still feel they matter.

[@CrzyLion]

"Everybody hold ulti until we throw all of them together and then hope we dont get mercy'd" just isnt fun.

[@Octamed]

@@CrzyLion ..are you talking about mercy res from *seven* years ago?

[@ebhaenger8246]

​@@Octamedsome people just like building human like figurines out of straw if they don't know what they are talking about.

[@leowei771]

@@CrzyLion You're talking as if Marvel also don't do the same, hold ults and then use them and hope your team gets the Adam Warlock before he ress the entire team again.

[@jfoster8624]

​@@leowei771then kill adam first bruh also they aren't invincible they come back with 50% health they are easy targets

[@lao-ce8982]

Asmon doesn’t understand what ppl mean when they say “realism”. In art you can approach a design in a realistic or stylised way. Marvel rivals chose the latter while the other game took the prior approach. Realistic does NOT mean it’s a copy of real world, it means the proportions and anatomy are taking in count when they are designed. But yeah, they really did a disappointing work with that. The mute colours, the submissive stances made the most muscular character appear like Reddit mod…

[@SammEater]

6:30 The Black Panther on the left looks like a warrior who is wearing the skin of his prey, the one on the right looks like a hobo who found a cheap halloween costume in a garbage can.

[@intensehumanbox9662]

0:23 nah man thats literally a random swat unit member that threw together a quick captain america cosplay on top of his gear before halloween😭

[@justaquietpeacfuldance]

Alteori made a great roast of those American designs

[@Rengokuo4o6]

You saw the video, too!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@VoxMachina8]

This is the difference between ideology of people deciding what you get access to VS you deciding what you want to pay for.

[@WanHakimi-xc8ge]

What happened to their favourite quote "If you don't like it, don't buy it"?

[@hooseyodaddy5418]

I still can't get over the quote from Asmon on the first time seeing this video, when he said "how does China make a better Captain AMERICA than us!?" I was gobsmacked by how true that was.

[@MMAMG1]

When women who work out can cosplay a super hero better than your design in a game, you know there's a huge problem

[@faust_wither]

BRO WTF THE HULK LOOK LIKE A DEADBEAT DAD PAINT HIMSELF GREEN

[@pixavier9746]

Not really... He looks more those guys that use so much steroids that it goes wrong...

[@nmc400]

The best is concord reddit has people who dont like marvel rivals and thinks concord was a good game 😂😂

[@skibidi.G]

😂 ... Concord

[@rayg4542]

Just checked out for myself and was not disappointed. Complete clown show

[@mahfoudseraf5995]

.....Concord?

[@darthgregorth]

When he said look at Thor, his head is too small. I just imagined a Goomba in the Mario Bros. Movie XD

[@cyberrenegadex]

Bruv can these ‘journalists’ just leave already, they’ve never been needed since the dawn of time.

[@18lolable]

5:45 The guy on the right is the guy that mugs you in the street at night.

[@solanoguz]

The guy on the right belongs in the movie Pulp Fiction

[@qiqibababuyaojiu]

😂😂

[@cornkernel4029]

@15:12 if we delete reddit, all of the crazies will go to other platforms. Keep them confined on one platform plz and ty.

[@PrimeCypher]

It’s Captain America vs Lieutenant America

[@CheapCreep]

Cadet Puerto Rico

[@Harucardiel]

The biggest issue with marvels avengers designs is they tried so hard to be "legally distinct" versions of the actors from the MCU thinking itd be part of the reason itd make some money, hell even troy baker explained they were asked to sound like the actors in the MCU they were portraying, so instead of doing what rivals did which was just come up with their own take of a comic version they tried to piggyback off MCU Minds you games like Marvel vs capcom infinite had development issues where marvel disney was practically breathing down their necks on how they should design and/or who was allowed to rep marvel in the game Im genuinely curious how netease was allowed to do what they wanted with the game since disney marvel has a major track record of being overbearing on developors

[@martin-dw]

Taking the post seriously. I think for a game like Marvel rivals with the aesthetic of Marvel rivals, having gender swap would be bad in character recognition. For example, she hulk need to be slim, strong, but slim, and if you see her from afar you may think she is hella with a skin or maybe even black panther if she wears a black skin. the siluotes and pallet colors of characters is key to recognize them from afar very fast. I think there was a video of TF2 explaining this very well, but in a more realistic and lest exagerated style like Helldivers, you can easilly can have female or male characters, but here? i don't think so

[@SpiceCh]

6:20 is literally 99 % of cosplayers vs the character they're trying to cosplay as 😅

[@itspartan117]

6:20 they didn't even design it, they just Stole AC ODYSSEY NPC and put it there 🤣

[@lareolanKFP]

It's absolutely pathetic when Chinese devs understand the American audiences better than American corporations do... Considering the cultural difference it's like a blind man drawing a masterpiece while a professionally trained artist fails to draw a convincing stickman.

[@Adir-Yosef]

it's not "fails to draw" it's actively attempting to draw an unconvincing stickman

[@lexnight8345]

Well, Chinese devs want money 🤣

[@chiyue5676]

@@lexnight8345 then again, who doesn’t

[@lexnight8345]

@@chiyue5676 ... woke devs, they just want to spread their ideologies 😅

[@chiyue5676]

@@lexnight8345 ok pick your poison then. I’m going with the former

[@officerbucktuddrussel394]

7:16 Dad bod Hulk on the bottom who likes to backseat coach from his living room Lazyboy while the Hulk on the top is actually out there fighting inter-galactic threats.

[@curtdontcare]

The day companies start operating on what's best vs what's profitable will be the day we improve as humans

[@eternaldarkbrin]

The ultimate problem with realism is that realism is not designed to be appealing. While stylized things are designed for appeal.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Hopely

[@tathungnguyen1627]

Asian Devs keeps taking W ✋😔🤚

[@youtubasoarus]

It's honestly amazing to see and pretty fun to watch the meltdowns on this side of the pond. They just know how to provide what people want.

[@TanvirMhamud]

"and they didn't even pay me!" lol

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

the cancel mob must be so conflicted, Marvel Rivals has good looking characters that is somehow a bad thing that must be purged from the inter-webs, and at the same time the cancel mob goes after anyone that doesn't sing blind praise of Disney products (that Marvel is part of), lol.

[@FlippableFlappy]

They are extremely conflicted, read some of the comments where they’re trying to convince themselves that the game is woke lmao.

[@ZeroBeat1]

Part of the reason here is that Marvel Rivals is trying to be more stylized like something you'd see in a comic book whereas Marvel's Avengers is trying to make you think of the MCU characters but they're also different enough so they don't have to pay for using the likeness of the actors, so you essentially get knockoff versions of the MCU characters by design. It's why we're getting Kris Evens, Marcus Buffalo, Bob Uppies Sr, Red Johnson, Jeremiah Runner, and Karl Pantlegscuffworth.

[@David-qk7um]

That's what you get when kids who eat crayons and glue get told they are smart and creative.

[@gamermanofficial]

Marvel Rival is basically Poe2 of Overwatch2 lol. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Turtle WoW's Unreal 5 Vanilla server also kills Classic WoW.

[@E-710_shaped_Helldiver]

Overwatch 1*

[@phantomTz7]

Huh what? What does it have to do with WoW lol only idiots play turtle wow

[@marvcollins7842]

The fact that some male characters in Marvel Rivals are inherently disadvantaged because of their larger hitboxes (e.g. Punisher and Moon Knight compared to the other Duelists) makes the genderswap post even dumber. 10/10 bait would fall for it again.

[@johnnymo4000]

Two gay communities fighting each other, the irony.

[@CheapCreep]

Let them fight

[@ExistenceUniversity]

Seriously. I missed the opening making a coffee and now I am being told to laugh at one of the two images and they are both equally gay and ugly

[@Jadty]

Average day at /fit/ and /co/.

[@EyBlacky]

Im gay for this comment😂

[@randomandy2023]

The funny thing about the gender swapped bait. Is that it literally breaks the game to gender swap characters. The goal of the design is that people can tell who the characters are. If you had a gender swapped every character you would completely loose all the visual design. You can tell the hulk from a mile away because he is huge and bulky. The second you make him she hulk you would have no idea what is going on.

[@RaichuWizDom]

"News flash: the genre's called FANTASY! It's meant to be UN-realistic, you myopic manatee!" -J.R.R. Tolkien. Also, it's important to note realism has two possible meanings: close to reality, and internally consistent. The issue is the ugly designs are one and not the other, but we're using the same term for it.

[@mitchellpate5938]

W reference

[@irishprik]

1:38 that a gerbil on that pride banner? lol

[@nickbrooks4993]

It's a rat

[@Pekovi69]

_THANKS TO NETEASE THAT MARVEL RIVALS IS ON THE RIGHT PATH 😎🙏🏻_

[@Square_One]

Why we talking about realism in a game where a shark can ride on a walking tree? The designs are supposed to be unrealistic. If we wanted realistic body types, we would play a game about normal people, not super heroes lol

[@birdmanoo0]

Imagine rolling up to an interview for a character designer and your portfolio is filled with characters like the ones in Avengers or Concord. Now, imagine getting hired.

[@you1027]

So I'm not fat or ugly. Am I a fictional creature? Hell yeah, that explains so much.

[@magincap70]

Because it's designed with comic book graphics....people forget these are comic book characters?

[@Level2.0T]

You’re point ?

[@jfoster8624]

​@Level2.0T these are literally the same characters from the so called woke marvel comics lmao the switch up is insane right now

[@christianmathew398]

@jfoster8624-no they are the og designs not dei miles,marvel or bi superman,try harder

[@palasta]

@@christianmathew398 OG designs? Of what? There is no captain america in comic books that looks like the Marvel Rivals version.

[@ToothpasteJuice]

But they shouldn't look realistic. "Realistic" is what Steve Roger's looked like BEFORE they modified his human body to inhuman proportions. Thor is a god, Tchala is an avatar of Bast, the panther god. Making these people look like Dave from accounting wearing a cosplay is inexcusable.

[@grivoc]

People who spend all day on the internet arguing about socio-political issues don't buy videogames. They don't have the time they're too busy arguing about socio-political issues on the internet.

[@BorisMiljkovic]

It's like when they introduced fashion models "with real bodies". Are previous models not real? Are "real bodies" all fat or super curvy? Neither is true.

[@comuwunism]

Well previous models have to starve themselves and get surgeries to maintain their figure so.. I’d say the push towards healthier body types is better

[@BorisMiljkovic]

@ my wife is built like a model. She eats 4 times a day. If you read my comment again, they arent pushing for real bodies but real in US, which is obese, or super curvy which is rare.

[@comuwunism]

@ good for your wife and her fast metabolism but not everyone is as fortunate. And you are aware obesity is not only in the US? I just don’t know what you’re arguing here

[@BorisMiljkovic]

@@comuwunism She eats carnivore diet. It's all cheese, steak, bacon...It's not about metabolism at all. My point is that when you said a healthy body, this means that you see obese body as healthy, which is only pushed in the US. Read between the lines.

[@comuwunism]

@ I don’t see obese as healthy. I never said that, you’re putting words in my mouth. I said healthier bodies as opposed to the frail skeleton bodies of models in the 2000s. Having a little bit of meat on your bones is better for you

[@GregoryCarnegie]

Whoever asked for female versions of the male characters probably isn't a Marvel fan. What's the point of adding female Dr Strange when they could add Clea? What's the point of adding female Magneto when they could add Polaris?

[@Cahrub]

The Avengers models make me feel the same feeling I got when I watched M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender

[@sir_quirkus7206]

Marvel rivals “gamers” are literally just over watch junkies who refuse to say they like overwatch and jump on the next hype train

[@galodebotas9360]

Or... hear me out, they DON'T like Overwatch and are actually liking and having fun on Marvel Rivals, ik that sounds crazy, but maybe, just maybe yk.

[@Buzz3092]

These comparisons are kinda idiotic. Live-Service Avengers flopped because the gameplay was boring, not because the characters were too ugly for the fan base to fap to. And blaming boring character design on the DEI boogieman is even stupider, the Rivals models are made for a more comic-inspired art design while Squeenix's Avengers was more a knockoff of the MCU designs. One was made to look accurate to the source material and the other was made to show off what was considered high graphical quality at the time, not everything is political.

[@Walker-ow7vj]

They still look like absolute ass they can have an actual mcu look for the characters. The mcu actors look heroic and don’t just slouch and have bland costume designs. Please tell me iron man in end game looks anything like iron in the avengers game 😂they didn’t try at all dude

[@AspienWaifu]

Now everyone all together say, “THANK YOU MODERN FEMINISM!”

[@l1z4rdon7]

The marvel rival characters look like real classic comic book characters. Marvel Avengers looks like party city costumes.

[@almas4663]

You saying that tells me you've never red a single good comic book

[@themanbehindtheslaughter7319]

​@@almas4663Sorry to tell you, but the good comic books are the ones that inspired Rivals design. Like King in black, Secret wars, Crisis on infinite earths.

[@almas4663]

@@themanbehindtheslaughter7319 Crisis on infinite earths is not even Marvel, and King in Black is just ugly. Like I said - you know nothing about comic books. Rivals design is the generic looking "Draw Marvel in the style of Overwatch" Nijijourney with a touch of overused NPR shading

[@themanbehindtheslaughter7319]

@almas4663 Oh well, I know it isn't Marvel. But you've said he never did read a good comic, never specified from where, as the artstyle fits marvel rivals concept. Also, King In Black is ugly? Nah man, sorry to blow your bubble but it's just you coping. And it's a great story,.

[@themanbehindtheslaughter7319]

@almas4663 Also, "You know nothing about comic books" Ah yes, then explain who are these characters: Inertia Kid Zoom Toxin Rascal Hunter Zolomon And also, Tell me: Did Spiderman ever kill somebody in the mainline comics? If so, who?

[@JourneymanLineman]

I was master in overwatch. I loved it and played it very competitively. I LOVE COMPETITIVE GAMING. I GET IT, it’s just a game. But I still like feeling like I’m working towards being excellent at something. I’ve played about 70 hours of marvel so far. It needs some changes but overall it’s pretty good. I also played league of legends and I hit diamond 5 in that. I think the key to good games is keeping them consistent. Like football or baseball. They don’t change it too much cause IT DOES NOT NEED IT. Sometimes people just enjoy the same simple game for years, developers need to realize that.

[@kalev_knight]

“Realistic” is the greek statue build that would even slightly hint at being able to survive the miraculous events of of the games

[@theehumanshield]

14:50 Reddit is the new Tumblr, and should be treated as such.

[@redbluegreen1062]

Marvel Rivals has an inseparable mudshark character. It has dei

[@spoofs974]

Comment proving the left right # 100,000,000 🤡

[@redbluegreen1062]

@spoofs974 gonna cry?

[@jfoster8624]

It also has like three bi characters and one gender neutral characters it's still a good game you can have both

[@PrinceIsot]

​@@spoofs974 Lol one comment proves the left correct? 😂 Then using that logic you're all commy enemies of state 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@xxhendarsin3592]

1:44 Quoting ChainSaw762 - "wtf is that thing", fr tho wtf is that thing

[@rellikskuppin7417]

If it was realistic Captain America would have the body of prime Arnold

[@SundayScarys]

“It should be realistic” I don’t remember the last time I saw someone in public turn into a big green monster throwing flying aliens into city buildings

[@armado9721]

3:09 Bro said Thor

[@Gasyme]

I thought I was buggin literally holding a shield 😂😂

[@aarspi]

15:03 Reddit gives me expensive programs for free, as crappy as it is, I don’t want it to go away 😂

[@grayrodent8232]

Yeah it's still one of the best places to get help on some obscure games. But the schizo ratio is astonishing.

[@nathanwatt5545]

Reddit is only tolerable in a very select few subs. Pink and blue Predditors are everywhere

[@aarspi]

@ fair enough

[@aarspi]

@@grayrodent8232 to be fair, I don’t use it personally so I’ll take your word for it

[@oh_sweet]

I just want those fools contained, the tumblr thing is why Twitter got as bad as it did back then

[@evanajames531]

The year is 2025. You unsubbed from asmongold cus his shit political drama farming every other video and watch Tyler 1 for his fun WoW stream with friends. How did we get here? No idea

[@closeenough1343]

I couldn't stop staring at that Hawkeye on 1 hp while right next to Loki for 10 minutes.

[@tuongpham7609]

I always find the counterpoint being that the hero’s don’t look realistic or that they don’t look like a “real woman/man”, aka average people, to be ridiculous. Like yea no shit. These are supposed to be the peak of what the human body can accomplish. There people that looks like Thor, captain America, black widow, etc. they’re usually the people of what an athletic/body builder looks like. What I hear when they say real woman/man is “I want someone to validate my looks.”