Blizzard lost to this..

[@adamcfwan17]

Overwatch suddenly gave it's players some challenges where they could earn 4 skins for absolutely free just by playing the game, one of which was from a collaboration. They barely give it's playerbase any skins for free. Such a coincidence they decided to do this when Marvel Rivals came out, very strange indeed, they are not panicking at all.

[@nickkerr6068]

Too late, uninstalled the game 😂😂😂

[@boxtears]

@@nickkerr6068 Based.

[@twistedf_]

They can give 20 for all anyone cares, they dug a grave for the game, murdered it, dumped it into the grave and then took a massive sh!t on top of it, didnt even bother to bury and now they are trying to defibrillate it.

[@scratthesquirrel5242]

do you not get skins by playing anymore? i only played the first one and in the early days.

[@adamcfwan17]

@@scratthesquirrel5242 You mostly get sprays/charms or other useless shit for free. Very rarely does Blizzard decide to be generous and actually give a skin away for free. Most of the time, they put skins in Battle Pass or Shop and when they are in the shop, they usually ask you to spend like 20 dollars on them.

[@bubbadumps3747]

MCU fatigue was just "shit fucking content" fatigue. people love superhero shit. they don't love poorly written corporate slop

[@NwahEnjoyer]

Exactly, there is no Superhero fatigue, only cringe mcu dialogue based movie fatigue, every movie looks like as if it came out of mcu. There is no character in their creation, only copy based bullshit tier direction in story. I love marvel but mcu is just so done

[@davidking2011]

Seriously. This game makes me want to see movies of some of these characters I have never heard of that look really cool, like Cloak and Dagger. Then again....probably get a lame ass Disney production. I miss the good days.

[@Raytheman581]

Exactly, not only that but deadpool movie and the spiderman playstation games prove this.

[@ryker4547]

​@@NwahEnjoyerNo, the MCU is not over, for you to come and say that ALL the MCU movies or series have cringe dialogue is stupid, when they have still delivered good things and there is still hype

[@ryker4547]

​@@davidking2011So are you going to say that everything Disney does is bad? because disney delivered loki and it was very good, x men 97 was very good, agatha was good and no one had faith in her

[@dorayaki5494]

Imagine saying that Black Widow was "inspired" by Widowmaker... That's what former CEO of blizzard rambled on about.

[@donovanneumann3058]

maybe the gameplay but the character itself for black widow was made literally decades ago in the comics widowmamer came out less than 6 years ago lol

[@donovanneumann3058]

they say rivals is the ovw killer, but in reality ovw was already dead

[@DbabyBinSpinnin]

@@donovanneumann3058 Rivals for sure kicked Overwatch while they were already down.

[@donovanneumann3058]

@@DbabyBinSpinnin i agree, i wanted to hate rivals so bad bc i loved ovw but then i played rivals and tried to go back to ovw and couldn’t do it lol

[@MalevolentForge]

Black widow's character is older than half of you.

[@hizzousekakashi8836]

Everyone talks about how MR stole OW's crown, they did not do that, they walked into the throne room with the crown on an empty throne as the former king hangs their ass out the window and shits on their players.

[@defconbois]

best analogy

[@thalanoth]

Yet my computer can't play it lol. 1080 isn't shit anymore:(

[@wraithhe]

Rip​@@thalanoth

[@kylesawkon4074]

@@thalanothI play on a tv from 2008 lol you don’t see me crying

[@kadon-m3f]

@@kylesawkon4074 a TV is completely different from a graphics card especially since you are using a new gen console like wtf lmao .

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

Marvel fatigue isn't Marvel fatigue. It's Disney fatigue. Disney writing feels like Disney writing. It's corporate it's forced it's gross it's soulless and it made Star Wars feel dead and it made Marvel feel dead.

[@Zenthe_]

To be fair, their comics have stunk for the past decade. Terrible ideologue writers are a big factor.

[@ricardohoang8452]

​@@Zenthe_ The results of disknee owned Marvel, they were!

[@bigheadrhino]

It’s because they try to appeal to the widest possible audience instead of a target audience which makes everything bland.

[@Tamachii12]

@@bigheadrhino I was amused they left the scene where Thor beheads Thanos on endgame... since everything got watered down.

[@gargaraslaika]

It not marvel it's more the movie format and connected universe. Add the shit writing but even without it if you want to be up to date you have to watch 20 movies and and a bunch of tv shows. Also the ton of movies that come out. It's oversaturated and people just want diversity. If after end game they didn't make anything for a few years and then started again with a clean slate it would have worked better. Like starting the prosses of a connected universe again with references to the past ones but not so connected. That's why comics have so many reboots when it becomes bogged down they hit the reset button and it's fresh again.

[@luck9837]

Dropped OW the day Rivals came out, uninstalled and deleted blizzard app

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

I wonder what the graphs look like on how many players dropped from blizzard?

[@Tttt-740]

​@@thelordofthelostbraincellsthey'll never tell

[@agcvaventuras]

​@@thelordofthelostbraincellsnot many cause I haven't and the app is still installed in a lot of people phone

[@FalconStrikeGames]

I also dropped overwatch.

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

@@Tttt-740 yeah, just like the wow subscription list is classified too

[@hashirama2000]

Concord didn't die. That would imply it had been alive at some point. It was stillborn

[@nikmullin7798]

You could say it was Dustborn.

[@ArthurMorgan123-r6y]

i wish i could have been stillborn

[@kueapel911]

It was alive at some point. They gave birth to it. It wasn't an abortion, it was infanticide. They took one week old product and took it to the back of the barn.

[@Qb3nsis]

I'm glad we all agree life doesn't begin at conception.

[@HOLLOWFENiX]

Concord died so Marvel Rivals could run. Nah who am I kidding. OW was already on its death bed. Concord was a caveat.

[@fredxu99]

Marvel Rivals: a hero shooter that has heroes that actually feel and look like heroes.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

And actually superheroes.

[@27455628]

It make you feels like spider man

[@ulfrthewolf5065]

@@27455628 that swinging mechanic doesn’t 😂

[@Mandrewlochner]

This is porn, dude. Don't pretend it's popular because it's a game. It's popular because it's porn.

[@LuBronyr]

@@Mandrewlochner Indeed, and?

[@joemama114]

The games director wants this game to be good "I want to see my favorite character in the game and have it be awesome" Weather or not he actually plays or likes the game is irrelevant, he's attacking the game direction and development understanding what players want. He's not thinking how he can inject modern politics into the game, he's not worried about representation or diversity, he want's to make the game "awesome to play", that's why it's popping off.

[@mg-by7uu]

that's not going to gain him a seat at the ruling class' table though, which is worth infinitely more than video game profit

[@JohnJo-qn7wq]

@@mg-by7uu he not american so..

[@erikhendrickson59]

The *_Rivals_* devs aren't killing the game's fun-factor by over balancing every Hero into mediocrity in an effort to artificially create an esport

[@Anonym-mh7sz]

To be fair, concord was shit for entirely different reasons and overwatch got shittified with overwatch 2. Both studios made terrible design decisions that killed the respective games. Gamebalance was by for not the biggest contributor

[@svenstevenson2245]

One of the best ways to balance is not to nerf, not to say nerfing isnt called for sometimes, but instead of taking away from something that is fund because it is strong, instead buffing other characters/heroes/classes so they can compete with the OP one, that way you do not remove the fun from playing the one character while at the same time making other characters viable and potentially by powering them up also equally fun and rewarding to play as.

[@libervitaexaltis4551]

I remember playing Pyro in team fortress, standing just outside the enemy spawn and setting them on fire as soon as they jumped out lmao. This would never happen in modern games. It would offend the corporate managers

[@adamcfwan17]

The developers even said they want to avoid nerfs and instead want to focus on buffing the not so good characters, which I think is the best approach, since the already fun characters will still be fun. They are also not considering a role queue right now, which is also nice, they are basically doing all the right decisions you could make with this type of game.

[@orestogams]

​@@libervitaexaltis4551 Rivals is basically the same. Good old fun

[@AtomicRooster52]

Rivals shows that it’s not hero shooters that are failing, it’s bad game design

[@genjishim5014]

If thats your argument Then MR lost this one to OW 😂.

[@_jinijin_]

​​@@genjishim5014 How is MR a worse game design than OW? They have the same game objectives and the Heroes arguably have better designs. The heroes are also not limited to 4 abilities and there are no restrictions on what their kit can be.

[@ScythesBlade]

@@genjishim5014 By... coming in to massive commercial success, whereas OW has dwindled into obscurity and its only redeeming factor is the R34 artists?

[@code066funkinbird3]

Ok boomer

[@utkuyazc5848]

Ow launch was 10x bigger than rivals btw :D Lets see where rivals will be in 6 months. These hero shooter games are design-wised cursed. In 6 months skill cap between averadge and high elo players will be huge and %90 of the games will be one sided from start to finish. In mid 2025 averadge online player number will be around 10k :). Take my note.

[@exiaxzero]

This is probably the first game I've played where I didn't feel the urge to buy anything off the cosmetic shop AT ALL, because to me the base skins already look really amazing. Yes, there are great cosmetics, but I don't feel like I need to buy them. Other games almost always put the good stuff behind a paywall.

[@Eramidas]

I'd agree, but, Wolverine. It's so dumb that his most iconic default look is locked behind a paywall.

[@Chancacaso]

And its a f2p game... they did a great job.

[@billcalandro2124]

Why are you wasting money on cosmetics for ANY game?! Literally paying money to announce to everyone else that you’re a tool who got roped into throwing money away.

[@exiaxzero]

@billcalandro2124 to each their own 🤷

[@dannycreates039]

@@billcalandro2124just say you’re broke bud

[@animegx45]

They didn't put Jeff in because they knew he was famous and popular. He was put in because they knew he _would_ be famous and popular.

[@-Overlord--]

Jeff being Jeff 🍷🗿

[@yoyogo504]

They put him in after the huge success of Jeff popularity because of Marvel snap.

[@Besend522]

Well Marvel have this card game called Marvel Snap, and guess what. Jeff is one of the most iconic characters in there. Everyone loves him! Jeff is just awesome and was designed in a very smart way. He's cute, and that's all he needs to be successful and popular.

[@RealCheese15]

A cute little sharky boy that heals your teammates and can gobble up the entire enemy team at once and spit them out off the map to get an instant 6K, of course we were all gonna love Jeff, he's adorable

[@PsychoSpiral]

A Jeff built OW, and a Jeff will destroy OW.

[@hornzby3650]

Blizzard lost to themselves 💀

[@jonny45k44]

"Get out of your own way" comes to mind

[@FungalBunghole]

Skull emoji moment

[@Ozzystrayroo]

Truly....the "war within"

[@mongoosegang]

Overwatch lost to TF2 before Overwatch even came out. TF2 is still by far the best hero shooter.

[@mukamuka0]

True, and if you think about it. Netease uses to host & services Blizzard game including Overwatch and Bliz broke down the contract. So, this might even be some kind of Revenge from Netease

[@thebukojoeplays]

Never forget that it was Blizzard themselves that killed Overwatch.

[@GrantYahReacts]

Yes!!!

[@toms7114]

39.2 million people is 0.5% of the entire world. Steam had half a percent of the entire world on the system at one time. WTF!

[@Ozzystrayroo]

It might be smaller than that due to bot farms and sock account. But yeah it is pretty impressive iirc steam has over 1 billions registered account

[@DrNiradino]

Game also released on consoles, so it's not just steam.

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@DrNiradino That's literally not the metric that he was talking about. Steam had 39.2 million people online at once. Learn to read.

[@captainspaulding5963]

​@DrNiradino no, it quite literally WAS just Steam. You can tell because they used the metrics from STEAM, and not console

[@AlexSmith-vq7xz]

That sounds so small yet so much at the same time somehow

[@bradleighb]

Psylocke's cake is solo no diffing Overwatch 2. If Overwatch wants to stand a chance, they're going to need to release another asian with a big butt.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

Well at least several "animation teams/animator" gets to earn their bread from farming marvel rivals for the next several years

[@7kortos7]

Dagger got cake too. Psylocke has been a favorite of mine for years though so i'm happy she looks great in game.

[@HOLLOWFENiX]

Seriously. Juno who? Mercy who? D. Va who? Psylocke puts all those characters to shame in the bakery department.

[@thelast749]

@@Ozzystrayroo That's me I'm one of them

[@GigglingStoners]

Rivals has zero cake compared to OW.

[@reyzer9722]

Its crazy that Overwatch 2 is realizing their mistake now, bit by bit. When people were telling them long ago that what they were doing was not f2p friendly. Now that Marvel Rivals is rising in popularity they are crying and trying to get players back. In my opinion is a bit too late, either they restore the old overwatch 1 with f2p mechanics to get skins and update it to ov2 graphics or the players are gonna leave by the day.

[@MinecraftDwarves]

Me playing Overwatch for 2 Hours: "I want to stop" Me playing Rivals for 2 Hours: "Woops, it's actually 3am already"

[@theguardianwolf7206]

Me going on a ten loss streak in marvel rivals ranked and then still queuing anyway

[@1llusionzz]

Legit the last 2 work nights 😂

[@94DEATHSOUL94]

Feel the same but I don't know if it's because it's new, we shall wait and see

[@BIGIFANDYELLOWCARD]

PRetty much. Once you hit Diamond in ranked you get bans on the broken heroes such as Hela, Mantis and Hawkeye. The game allows players to balance it themself.

[@JohanLiebert1]

never had any interested in rivals i feel like a lot of people who felt the same way still played Rivals i think if they do it right with constant updates so players don't get bored it'll be around for a long time

[@7kortos7]

If Marvel Rivals releases story missions people will take turns burying Overwatch 2 lmao.

[@MichaelGonzalez-ud9kh]

For real like a horde mode too with mini bosses.

[@bokan1056]

@@MichaelGonzalez-ud9kh Vampire Survivor Mode

[@tobluetoblack]

How about a boss rush mode. Either 6 or two teams trying to take down one big villain like Doom, Ultron, Galactus, Apocalypse and so on.

[@johnpastaman]

I still wanna know what the f*ck I pre ordered when they announced OW2 and had us pay 24.99 on battle net for it…..

[@אורז-צ5ט]

​​@@johnpastamanif I remember correctly, you preordered the season 1 battlepass and 2000 overwatch coins for a choice to spend on either the shop or future battlepasses. They also included a bunch of old Overwatch 1 skins and a few new Overwatch 2 skins but that's about it.

[@iEATW0RLDS]

Aww Blizzard is finally starting to feel the consequences of their actions.

[@minnidot]

im online too much.

[@nickkerr6068]

No one asked

[@TitanfallTeachings]

Wanna play?

[@elmoudir1189]

​@@nickkerr6068 I did

[@TitanfallTeachings]

​@@nickkerr6068are you bot or gay

[@TitanfallTeachings]

We all are fren go touch snow

[@boxtears]

So OW2 has expiring game passes while Rivals doesn't. Imagine being more predatory than NetEase. Bravo, Blizz, keep eating those Ls.

[@ImponteDeluxo]

Netease understands that keeping your clients happy means that they are much more willingly to give them money

[@Jetsugai]

Your both not using your brains guys, Fortnite and Valorant both have way more players and their battle passes go away forever too lmao

[@cainsalem3544]

@Jetsugai fortnite is a battle royale and valorant is an esports game both have been out for years. I would hope they’d have more players lmfao?

[@SkyClears]

I bought the last OW2 BP because I wanted the Ana skin at the end of the BP. I played one game and went back to the BP and realized quickly that I wasn't actually going to be able to play enough to even get her, so I asked for refund. Blizzard wouldn't give me one :3 I play Rivals now.

[@phantomberzerk9486]

Netease PC isn't that greedy takr naraka for example

[@kiryukazuma7960]

Im still pissed at the fact that my hard copy of Overwatch is usless, i paid money only to never be able to play it again. I miss 2018

[@VelvetMagician]

I still have my origins disc for PS4

[@D3moknight]

Yeah the bullshit part about Overwatch 1 is that I bought that game. I didn't want a F2P microtransaction lottery bullshit game, I bought the game I wanted. OW2 comes around and they just shut down OW1 and move everyone to OW2? No fucking thank you.

[@Vrip5824]

Exactly and it just stings even more that the only change that was made was the stupid number after the title.

[@captainspaulding5963]

​@@Vrip5824 but wait, you forgot that they took it from 6v6 to 5v5 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sebastianbronowicki7073]

​@captainspaulding5963 They brought it back once they realised how shit 5v5 was

[@AngryAlfonse]

@@Vrip5824 no no OW2 has the *promise* of PVE content I mean, they never actually implemented it, but they *PROMISED* it and that's good enough. Right? Right!?

[@borrow4654]

​@@captainspaulding5963and now they are reverting back to 6v6 LOL

[@CalciumChief]

People act as if Overwatch was still a competition. Overwatch "2" killed the whole IP.

[@priest148]

If they followed through with the single player campaign, kept lootboxes, and left the team size alone...they probably wouldn't be in this position.

[@BushidoW]

Yep

[@rfewer]

Me when I spit false narratives for the purpose of farming likes on KZbin. Ow2 was never dead and the fact so many people were complaining about the game is evidence that there is still a huge fanbase who wants to see the game do well

[@rfewer]

@@priest148they couldn’t keep lootboxes, it goes directly against the current business model and the same reason rivals doesn’t have lootboxes, the f2p only works because people will buy skins. The dev team getting smaller was due to Covid and blizzards layoffs which is more of a problem with the company and not the developers so it’s kind of foolish to blame them for it, it’s also the same reason PvE failed but I agree they shouldn’t of led us on. If you seriously think lootboxes being removed is a top concern then I doubt you actually play the game. Get over it, lootboxes will never return and it’s obvious why

[@priest148]

@rfewer Woah, dude, take a chill pill! It ain't that serious. Lootboxes were a small portion of my post, but you decided to write a small essay on it. I don't really care, all that much. My biggest gripe was the PvE being rug-pulled on us. There's literally no defense for that... Edit: You misunderstood my statement on team size, which is kinda understandable. I wasn't talking about Dev team, I was talking about the in-game team sizes.

[@SkuIIKn1ght]

The game will likely hold onto most of it's player base for at least a year and then probably settle at around 150 - 200k between PC/Consoles which is still very healthy numbers. The only way they really lose a big chunk of their player base after the honeymoon phase is if the devs make very poor decisions regarding balancing or just drip feed content to the point where things become too stale. From what I hear they already have over a dozen new characters coming soon and the game just came out with an already fairly sizeable roster so if they keep the content coming and hold on the momentum they got this game should outlive a lot of current multiplayer games.

[@quill8547]

Rivals is living the life concord literally dreamed of having😂

[@Dealman15]

No surprise, Marvel is a franchise a lot of people like and on top of that Marvel Rivals doesn't take itself too seriously which Overwatch did. Of course, when the majority of your playerbase is casual players and you only balance characters based on their performance in top ranked - they're gonna leave. Here we have a hero shooter with goofy but solid gameplay, and people love it. I don't miss Genji calling out for heals one bit, Overwatch is in the garbage where it rightfully belongs.

[@Benrir.]

go woke and go broke

[@user-uc7zf1xd8p]

​@@Dealman15when genji mains used to spam "I Need Healing" and harass mercies the game was still good.

[@swaggdude21]

If concord was free, it mightve been at least half of this, I feel like 40% of people playing Marvek Rivals, are huge Marvel fans so they play it cuz of that

[@paulcarmi8130]

@@swaggdude21the price was not the problem. Game looked like garbage.

[@unleashed2724]

Almost like character design was absolutely part of what drew people in along with the Marvel name. Concord could never.

[@gorrvaskr5963]

Exactly, even Paladins couldn’t keep up due to poor character design.

[@Coldlegend214]

That league example is real af. When I tried to play everyone was so toxic cause I was new that I couldn’t play the game lol.

[@petermcgraw2957]

Just spend some time to learn the game instead of driving a car on the road and endangering everyone else's lives, it's an extreme example but it drives the point home. People get smarter and better as time goes on. Learn or leave

[@DarkSpells87]

Some of the powers that Marvel Rivals heroes have... my god, they are so damn good. Dr Strange portal, as prime example, I don't even know how they coded it so well. It is such an amazing skill in a game full of very well designed abilities.

[@obryanmeli2887]

Is my pc just bad, or does the portal create heavy fps drops for everyone? I have a 3060 which i thought would be enough.

[@rebelsoul1994-f6o]

@@obryanmeli2887 its for everyone i have a 4090/7800x3d it still drops frames heavily

[@ljxr2745]

@@obryanmeli2887some people don’t have a problem with it while some do, I know people with decked out pcs noticing frame drops cause of his portal, mine too

[@DarkSpells87]

@obryanmeli2887 yea it really puts strain on PC. However it does the same for enemies so you can use that as a weapon. 😂

[@artpropaganda420]

Coded so good: fps drops twice for everyone in match 😂

[@BECK_4D]

Marvel have so much content to add and keep players engaged, is just easy to imagine how big this game could get if they keep doing things right

[@tooitchy]

Ya, the biggest mistake they've made imo, was not giving Wolverine a good default look. It is painful playing a hairy man in a jacket, when his classic costume is in the store

[@pixavier9746]

@@tooitchy Thats marketing 101, they want you to buy skins, and they know pretty well what are the skins that will sell the most, thats most probably the reason why they also went with the less known Psylocke ninja as her default design instead of the... Classic one...

[@Coldsilfur4]

@@pixavier9746 which is totally fine. I mean, we bought online games for 70 Euro back then. Why not putting like 20-40 Euro into skins? I am fine with that. if no one buys stuff the game wouldnt exist at all.

[@battle-brotherthiel1563]

9:09 Why all the current Blizzard devs are such a bunch of whiny babies? There was the Diablo guy seething about PoE, now Ybarra. Blizzard is slowly sinking into irrelevance, cope and sneed.

[@TallyhoScreams]

They’re probably upset because players do not want to play their games. It’s clear that Blizzard no longer prioritizes the player’s experience. And the decay in player base is reflective of that.

[@battle-brotherthiel1563]

@ the solution is in front of their faces . RETVRN

[@vokuhila6913]

the moment rivals gets a pve game mode or enough time to have like 6 arcade game modes its perfect

[@blutwirbel3180]

Honestly I always love fun, quick, turn your brain off arcade game modes. The Jeff gamemode seems like a very fun and kinda stupid experience

[@mezzops1716]

well it sorta kind of does with practice with ai but yea a pve mode like the one blizz was talking about would kill OW2 completely

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

no but get ready for ranked. you know its coming

[@its_rima_yeah]

Rivals socks bro no carrot will save you

[@Aggrofool]

nah screw PVE

[@Bainna]

I am hocked on marvel rivals, the gameplay is really good the heroes are fun to play and the character design style is really unique

[@Pfuetz4]

It’s fun. And I can have fun for 10 minutes. Never feel stuck in a bad game, easy to queue up after a good game.

[@bradkirchhoff5703]

Its extremely bad…

[@ArthurMorgan123-r6y]

"unique" lol they literally copy/pastes mercy's ult for adam warlock

[@captainspaulding5963]

Character design is......unique???? That word you're using, I don't think it means what you think it means....

[@dziany380]

duuude healer has res on ult? its not like its obvious ultimate for a healer...

[@connorgunning6228]

Best way to describe any videogame. "Why would you play a shooter/ hero if you dont see yourself as the heros" i see myself fighting monsters with friends hense why I LOVE monster hunter.

[@SliceLeedice]

IMO seeing what the character looks from 3rd person perspective elevates the player gameplay experience. Bought the Psylocke skin and have been winning a lot with 25+ kills per game in competitive mode. *No Regrets*

[@Jsobone]

I grabbed that one first as well. She's one of my favorite X-Men characters of all time.

[@ZonaiHero-ul5nm]

I feel the same way about Star-Lord I got the Guardians of the galaxy 3 bundle, and have no regrets.

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

third person shooters are all bad though

[@SapunMan]

Got the free Peni skin from PSN, haven't lost a game as her yet.

[@tomorchard6660]

Makes the game feel much slower though, I think the base movement speed is similar between MR and OW but the third person movement feels much less immersive, my only gripe with MR

[@bitpokit]

8:44 Dear Mike Ybarra, No one cares who did it first. They care who does it best. Welcome to Capitalism.

[@aligok7330]

and still marvel did it both lmao

[@Radientzone345]

Always. Value knows best

[@dretchlord873]

That's why we have patents lol

[@Entropy67]

copyright is the antithesis of competition and should barely exist if at all

[@JaredAycock]

That's some Steve Jobs actions right there

[@GulagMoosefeller]

Marvel Rivals didn't market the game for only the LGBT community. That's what Overwatch did. They got the audience they targetted. So did Marvel Rivals.

[@Perkos1]

one more point to expiring Battlepasses - if it's expiring, it makes me over-play the game during this time, and then usually comes fatigue, especially when I already see, that I have no chance to "win". I just abandon it until the next event. When it does not expire, I can slowly grind and take my time until the next one.

[@RustCohleTX]

Blizzard killed Overwatch way before anyone else could💀💀💀

[@MrClockw3rk]

And yet you all still play

[@PnB_Menace]

To be fair blizzard probably has lawsuit this game is literally overwatch 1 for 1

[@MichaelGonzalez-ud9kh]

Overwatch 2 killed overwatch

[@Nobody0117]

​@@PnB_MenaceThat's not happening lol they'd have to be even more delusional than Nintendo

[@matdan2]

@@MrClockw3rkEh? How do you know he still plays? Or do you just spout random “facts”?

[@Zypher565]

Marvel rivals is third person so people are more likely to buy the expensive skins because they actually see them during gameplay

[@JustNTimeGames]

It's pretty simple... Marvel Rivals is FUN... OG Overwatch used to be very fun, but it got way too competitive and they catered to the competitive market so much they introduced role queue, gimped so many heroes, and just made playing unbearable for those who didn't care about metagaming. Almost every hero in Rivals feels pwerful right now (minus maybe Wolverine lol - he needs a small buff).

[@minin911]

Wolverine has the potential to pop off. His damage scales with the enemy health total, so he can kidnap and shred tanks really well

[@stillnotchill2560]

​@@DoubleXP-u1g it was a shortsighted bandaid on a larger problem,where they had no idea how to balance and everyone found new ways to make goats work(3 tanks 3 support), it was honestly because nobody could play dps heroes without throwing or getting spam reported in any elo masters and above. You show a lot of ignorance thinking it was implemented because people wouldn't tank, when the issue was tank/support was OP and they failed to balance the game so they just forced 2/2/2. Why balance when you can put everyone on rails? Then role que significantly increased queue times. Game died.

[@stillnotchill2560]

​@@DoubleXP-u1galso the problem WAS that nothing would die. Goats was the meta for almost 2 years, you had to use about 4 ults in high elo to get a single kill. Then when it went to role queue, you had orisa shield and sigma shield, sym wall, Baptiste lamp, mercy res, it was literally shield spam simulator. You sound painfully hard stuck plat.

[@bigturkey1]

im at plat in rivals, its just as competitive as OW

[@AzaelAkai]

Honestly, if you have a good team and enemy comp is running tanks/beefy boys, Wolverine plays really good into them. You just need either a dive tank or a flanker to not even kill healers, but aggro their attention (Killing them would be nice, but if all they can do is harass it's better than nothing) and Wolverine could literally pop off as the MVP. Outside of that he isn't a plug and play like other brawlers. Tho he needs some type of mobility buff and a either a passive buff or rework. Storm is probably the weakest hero, that is until she gets her ultimate.

[@theyluvmono]

Blizzards been going downhill for awhile now no surprise

[@PnB_Menace]

Downbad

[@riddert4966]

Pretty sure revenue wise this is one of the best years for Activision-Blizzard. But sadly that doesn't mean the quality of their games went up..

[@Katniss0000]

@@riddert4966 because amongus gold is still paying Nostalgia game World of Warcraft. they don't even bother to upgrade it to modern standards because nostalgia peeps is married to it. blizzard could make a a mmo game with Overwatch gameplay but NO. Mouse clicking and Tab targeting is king

[@lastpringle8904]

Hey. Mike, buddy. Widowmaker is a carbon copy of Sniper from TF2. Same weapons, same mechanics with those weapons. Chargeable sniper for more damage, smg backup weapon. Over here in TF2, we don't care that you copied, just remembered who did it first boy I mean, we probably didn't do it first, but still

[@XPjonjon]

Widowmaker: Charged up shot that can oneshot most heroes or rapid fire for close range combat, grapple on a really long cooldown to move around, venom mine, ult can show everyone on your team where anyone on the enemy team is (Still the dumbest ult in the game when sombra and hanzo get it for free most of the match) Black Widow: Charged up shot that does NOT one shot and charges after every shot so you cannot spam the shots, has melee weapons for close range, a kick to knock back enemies THEN can grapple them, Sprint movement and has a superjump to get to highground, ult its a laser that can be charged up and everyone who is hit by it gets slowed movement. It's laughable when people say characters are just copies man.

[@kylesawkon4074]

I think many are hybrids, like spidey and panther each have a genji move but they also have their unique abilities

[@markoquizzes1143]

For real! Hanz- i mean, hawkeye is my favorite!

[@XPjonjon]

remember he's a hanzo because he uses a bow!

[@doriangrayest]

Widowmaker feels so bad Any other DPS can strafe like they are on cocaine with full accuracy and power while Widow has to stand still slowly charging a shot that only kills if you land a perfect headshot on a cracked Soujorn that can kill you twice before the shot charges. Either that or backline enemy dps will stomp your ass until switch

[@tylers30]

​@kylesawkon4074 Exactly, hybrids. Star Lord is literally tracer with a soldier 76 ult. I think most of the characters being hybrids of Overwatch heroes is fine. I like it

[@momhips7131]

Marvel Rivals is so good that I am rewatching all of movies leading up to Endgame. Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor Ragnarok, and Infinity War are all masterpieces.

[@usrIO30581l]

Comics too 👍🏽

[@usrIO30581l]

Definitely can mash up with what if series .

[@chuckkentucky3781]

Calling marvel movies masterpieces is like calling overwatch players mentally stable

[@ljxr2745]

Lmao same wtf I have recently been watching guardians of the galaxy cause I realized I barely watched any mcu movies except spider man and avengers

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

your wifes boyfriend must be proud of you

[@QuantumBunnyyy]

Remember McCree? Yeah, Blizzard doesn’t either. 😅😅😅

[@code066funkinbird3]

Jessie mcree eh

[@IgorJCorrea]

I mean, like 90% of the people that will stay playing rivals will be overwatch players, so it's expected

[@djandjb1]

People keep saying this, but as someone who gushed over the original OW game, I can’t say I’ve even had as much fun with the original, like legitimately. People aren’t giving this game enough of its individual credit for how fun it is.

[@fitblood]

Yeah I'm never going back to overwatch. rivals is super fun there is only a few heroes I don't enjoy playing

[@fredxu99]

I played Overwatch back on launch but quit after a while, and OW2 was such a bad joke that I didn't even install it.

[@IgorJCorrea]

@@djandjb1 yeah it is, I think 6v6 overwatch is still better in general but marvel is super fun because everything is new and there's good amount of content, I have almost 100 hours already for a reason lol. It's just better to finally have 2 games to play in this genre

[@GregPiggot]

Marvel rivals is my first ever hero shooter game or whatever genre it is and i love it! Pure chaos every match. Havent touched ranked yet though and probably never will as i play for fun

[@theredpillneo2296]

6:00 nah destiny had the worst… 70 dollar game, paid for all their dlc, then they make the base game free, don’t give anyone who purchased it anything and then removes content from the game u PAID FOR

[@isshonsaha8673]

Don't forget the freemium economy

[@aerickmon3350]

Crazy how nobody talks about how destiny is truly the king of everything most people say is bad with modern games Fomo, competitive, micro transactions, crossovers, forever game, deletion of payed content, metas, toxicity, poor updates/expansions, massive overpricing, redone and reuse assets and experiences, worker time constraints, modern writing, constant story that makes no sense, bad designs, confusing layered mechanics, mountains of lore to even grasp anything actually good in the games storytelling and gambling for very bad rewards

[@aerickmon3350]

And probably so so much more I don’t even have accurate literacy to write for

[@MrrGervais]

YESSSSSSSSSS ! I HATE BUNGIE

[@laszloneumann500]

You mean the walmart warframe?

[@christopherdoherty1229]

One thing that wasn't mentioned is that even if you aren't aware of a character or IP, if you were to look them up, you would be able to learn about and invest in the character so much more than if it was a newly designed character. Comics and lore can make you like these characters so much more, even if you've never heard of them.

[@erenmos]

Funny thing is, they didnt have to do much, they just looked at what blizzard used to do and did the same, blizzard basically lost to themselves

[@SkyeonX]

It was over once Marvel Rivals released Squirrel Girl

[@Ozzystrayroo]

They actually make squirrel girl infinitely more presentable than her comic version...it's pretty surprising.

[@cole71]

@@Ozzystrayroo not really. comics overtaken by the same people thar run the movies. MCU doesn't touch this.

[@juvenileygo]

​@@cole71 squirrel almost made MCU debut, only failed cus it attracted small impression.

[@owenharrison761]

@@cole71 but all of these exist because someone at marvel studios approved, NetEase can just greenlight whatever they want, it's not their ip

[@cole71]

@@juvenileygo they would’ve ruined her.

[@ataur_thewatcher625]

11:38 this guy said once that marvel rivals looks like a mobile game with those visuals...ig this guy might get fomo sooner or later. look how the tables have turned

[@Rowlandi11]

The reasons why it’s likely this game stays around for a long time are: 1. The game has a strong foundation made to be built upon for years with genuinely fun gameplay loops in their character designs reminiscent of old OW 2. Marvel characters

[@them4licious0ne]

theres like a gazillion marvel characters, and being an umbrella ip of disney, they can literally put other characters that they own in there if they for some reason run out of marvel characters, its literally an infinite content cow.

[@naclo1178]

The only way it can fail is if Disney starts getting greedy

[@Itzmebryy]

buying skins where i can see my skin in third person rather first person

[@g4m3rwolf80]

Marvel Rivals is what OverWatch used to feel like and why Overwatch 2 is dying.

[@agcvaventuras]

No role q with no control making the game unplayable for many cause stuff were too OP, just grow up and inform yourself

[@Akakiryuushin]

dont know if its said yet but the 33 character rooster is very important. it allows plenty of well known heroes and unknown nobodies to be in the game so people can play their favorites and get some new ones.

[@MB-jr3sm]

good, let overwatch burn, and i say this as an overwatch player

[@CoachKevanKillsit]

This

[@lobsterparty72]

Amen

[@mrpotatorocks]

only chance is overwatch classic, you need 6v6 and pirateshit and 3 heals 3 tank combo again the good old days fuaAAAAA

[@MB-jr3sm]

@@mrpotatorocks your mother

[@agcvaventuras]

Traitor, once MR dies I'll see you on OW again

[@burtlux3736]

Flash news! giving the player base what they want, improving on other games' premises amd adding new and exciting things rarely seen in games nowadays like engadging lore, cool moves and abilities, beautiful skins and art design, etc. brings more players to your game, enexpected I know. Not only that but rejecting the woke ideals that "skins shouldn't overly sexualized" or "model designs shouldn't be unrealistic" bringd in even more success, what a shocker that sane ppl like to look at pretty or sexy designs instead of instantly gping crazy and crashing out over a sexy skin because it hurts your feelings and reminds you of how you went to McDonald's instead of hitting the gym today and now you're fat and ugly so everybody has to go down with you. Games tried the woke agendas, they tried giving in to the crazy ppl and we all saw how it fucking sucks *cough cough* Concord, because turns out making ugly designs and adding cringe pronouns to your game in fear of angering a crazy community who doesn't follow any logic whatsoever doesn't retain any players and it's absolutely awful. Glad to see the game industry is healing and I really hope many games follow Rival's example and create better games using the good old formula of giving the players what they want

[@hamsterwolf]

When you don't spend all your time thinking about messaging and politics you can put that energy towards making a game that's fun for people to play.

[@joemcauley5800]

this year has been great for gamers. poe2, wukong, marvel rivals, palworld, space marine 2, elden ring dlc, metaphor and im pretty sure i've forgot something.

[@garneg4264]

You're missing helldivers 2 brother

[@solarflaredragoon]

And astrobot

[@joemcauley5800]

@@garneg4264 true

[@SpiderNightcrawler]

And Silent Hill 2

[@mothman1227]

Concord :)

[@brandonray4493]

People said rivals wasn't an OW killer, but it's absolutely killing OW... and OW devs didn't help their own cause

[@1777franky]

Maybe suicide squad shouldn't of tried to virtue signal so hard by refusing to use harlequins original outfit

[@blackyonbi]

the problem with Overwatch is that they focused TOO MUCH on the competitive minority instead of the fun of the casual player. they refined EVERY SINGLE detail, reworkded every hero each f***ng season which made it useless to try and main a hero if youre gonna get punished if Blizzard decides to throw in a new hero and YOUR MAIN will be nerfed because it would become a valid counterpick to the new hero. Dont know why Blizzard wants to catter so hard to "E- sports" when the casual player wouldnt care about top 500.

[@_mgcobra_9846]

They definitely cater to casuals over pro players that’s why Reinhardt doesn’t ever get buffed, it’s because he performs very well in metal ranks, they don’t nerf widow because she performs poorly in low ranks. I don’t know where you got the idea that they care about competitive players.

[@Michael-sy1ni]

I 100 percent agree, that why all those dam tanks got buffed, because all the top 500 and streamers wouldn’t stop bitchin about how bad they are.

[@stuffylamb3420]

@@_mgcobra_9846 Yep. Most people that complain about overwatch stopped playing around season 1 or 2 and just regurgitate other bad takes they read online. Marvel Rivals is popular because they copied and pasted Overwatch gameplay with Marvel heroes and people are shitting on Overwatch for some reason lol. Zero self-awareness. Rivals is in its honeymoon phase. The community is gonna get toxic real quick and start complaining about the game’s balancing, just give it six months lol.

[@Katniss0000]

game was so fun when I can beat roadhog with a support. Now Support is basically DOOMFIST free frags. Not sure about the other updates. But I quit when Doomfist is meta.

[@kyleshuler2929]

This in my opinion is what the game do3s best: look at Dr. Strange's portal. Thats not his ult. Thats a standard ability. You get a map wide teleport for your entire team, and its just part of your basic kit. They nailed the power fantasy of each character, and because they all seem to have something game changing and OP, it feels well balanced.

[@Pryvyd9]

First impression is important. I refunded cyberpunk 2077 and didn't think about giving it another try until the 2.0 update with dlc. It takes a lot of work to change a person's mind. The problem with live service games is that you don't have that time. You lose money by keeping the servers up and the game dies because less players means less content for remaining players.

[@zuriyel5368]

The Cyberpunk: Edgerunners anime also played a big part in redeeming the game's image.

[@RustCohleTX]

I am shocked, shocked! Well... Not that shocked😒😒😒

[@tmdiz4579]

B.. b.. but I thought the hero shooter market was oversaturated!!!!

[@jaczar3304]

love a good futurama quote

[@DavidAVest]

When it comes to keeping players happy, modern Blizzard flails, or at best belatedly copies. Players at least subconsciously notice Bliz only gives them what they want after someone else does it.

[@pedroromano5978]

In a way, the Blizzard guy admitted that Widowmaker is a Black Widow knockoff.

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

Pretty sure that should have been obvious with that name. Why do you think black widow (the spider that inspires the Marvel character) is named like that?

[@tonyr9956]

Marvel rivals is overwatch before gamer gate turned it into crap

[@stanislavkimov2779]

Who would have thought, 100% focusing on giving gamers what they want will make everyone happy.

[@WesternMarxism-ne5tr]

You mean Sweet Baby Inc. (Who now go by "Powell group" due to backlash)

[@scratthesquirrel5242]

"ironic" - darth gamertine

[@RandoCDN87]

I assure you it wasn't Gamergate. Blizzard made into shit because of Bobby Kotick's greed. Keplan wanted so much for Overwatch to grow and improve, but Bobby's greed and decisions made it suffer. Which I understand why Keplan hightailed out of there before the Blizzard scandal broke out.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

When the imitators outdo the originator. It's already 2 to 0 for blizzard with PoE vs diablo, and now this. What's next? A new mmorpg blew WoW out of the water?

[@exrepair7777]

To hell with balance, I just enjoy pure gaming fun.

[@zachariahzollers7667]

Marvel rivals actually respects the source material. That’s why people don’t have “marvel fatigue” with this game.

[@code066funkinbird3]

True

[@Hajile_Ibushi]

14:38 Did they seriously make a splatoon game for jeff?! I've just been playing the standard QP, didn't know there was a different game mode.

[@LiaVanRevolution]

It got added yesterday as part of the winter event

[@alonsogabriel9336]

Whats good with marvel rivals is when you do get skins, you can see it, because its third person. Meanwhile with overwatch all you see are your arms and only get to see the skin on the menu or character selection and the occasional 3rd person view when you die.

[@96Logan]

My only gripe with Marvel Rivals is forced bot matches after too many losses in a row. Specifically in my case when I look through my match history, I have never gotten more than 5 losses in a row... Because after 4 matches the game will secretly put me against bots. It's a clear pattern. I don't want the game to do that. If the game feels easy or it feels like bots, go into your match history and try to view the profiles of the enemy team. If you can't, they are bots. It says something like "This player's career is put on private." Yeah. Sure. Coincidentally all 6 enemy players have privated profiles during a game where we completely stomped in around 8 minutes after a 4 game loss streak. 😂

[@ApsmneShsbshu]

Is sbmm in the game?

[@juvenileygo]

So you want more lose streak?

[@PnB_Menace]

They like you suck bro

[@lobsterparty72]

Tell me your a masochist without telling me your a masochist

[@96Logan]

@@PnB_Menace It happens to everybody. Look at your match history. I'm not the first one to talk about this and I didn't believe it until I looked into it myself

[@66VNB]

one of the big problems with overwatch is, that it only has a handful of cool or interesting characters. Marvel Rivals is full of cool and interesting characters and the chaos during matches is perfect for a game full of superhero’s. The chaos is super addicting and so is playing the majority of characters in the game.🔥🔥O and this style of game plays better in 3rd person.

[@braintrust02]

So true. All the healers are unfun imo except Ana in ow

[@66VNB]

@@braintrust02 yep. i like ana and moira

[@kyrusxi]

@@braintrust02 I hated playing support in Overwatch, in Rivals I play them as much as any other role. Loki is so much fun

[@doriangrayest]

@@66VNB perfect balance, one that requires aim, brain and mechanics and the other that requires a mousebuton and no brain

[@quinng8207]

I only played lucio cuz he was by far the most fun character to play. But as for rivals I enjoy luna, Jeff and Adam. Have yet to try more cuz 99% of games I end up being healer cuz everyone plays dps

[@siinuxxblume5123]

At 18:00 Asmon says: games that are dying lose their competetive scene. That is absolutely not true with a bunch of examples. Most RTS games are played less nowadays, but youll still find tournaments for starcraft, AOE2 and people follow them for nostalgia. Another big reason i dont think this is true at all are speedrunners, which single handedly keep older games alive by making it competetive.

[@opencardyugioh]

The exceptions don’t disprove the rule. The games you mentioned have a ‘cult’. No popularity means no money gain from players. There is no incentive then to sanctioning a competitive scène. Also the pro’s won’t make as much money from streaming to sustain the practice for the competition.

[@siinuxxblume5123]

@@opencardyugioh I am not making an exception. It seems completely arbitrary if a competitive scene keeps playing the game after its dead or not and it is definitely not the norm. Again. Every old speedrun game disproves this. You can look at GDQ and youll find a bunch of dead games(nobody plays them casually), where people still put up world record runs in 2025.

[@opencardyugioh]

@@siinuxxblume5123 Speedrunners are a special breed of people and you can call them a cult too. They have a preference to play one single game over and over again, just trying to find a shorter route or to get better at executing the strategy. And they need alot of charities to keep doing speedruns. Also to say arbitrary you have to make an analysis to prove it. And you realize that people sonner or later move on, right? It is not all new people that are the best players in a new game. A good portion are pro's that come from another game. Not saying it is a bad thing that people play games over their growth period, however you can also not say that a blooming game has no competitive scene. And games you mentioned are RTS games, which are not made in good quantities these days. SO the few people who have a big preference to play such games have not a lot of choice of games to play. Find me a FPS game, a MOBA or a hero shooter who is past its time and has a sanctioned competition. Look at the percentage of other of its kind that don't and then look at the percentage of acive/ blooming games. And than tell me there is not a very significant difference in percentage points and therefore is arbitrary.

[@siinuxxblume5123]

​@@opencardyugioh I gave you some examples that disprove the statement. Here is another one. Trackmania, where newer games are out and people still beating old records. One shooter that is past its time and does it is Apex. Its been losing players aka dying and still has a competitive scene.

[@kaialsh4321]

I have meant to quit OW for years now. But i never found a similar game that scratched that etch for me. Now i found it, and im hooked.

[@hiiambarney4489]

OW was the easiest quit of my entire life. At least when OW 2 released.

[@Katniss0000]

ow was one of my most played game then Valorant then this. OW is so easy to quit because of Doomfist was released. Only dps have fun in that game. OW gameplay will be S tier in a MMO setting but not in 5v5. i will play it again if it become PVE against Goblins, Dragons in a dungeon/ open world.

[@fubarace1027]

Warcraft did more than take things from Warhammer, the game was made in an attempt to earn some of the rights to Games Workshop's IPs. They didn't get the nod from GW, but saw they didn't get in trouble for selling the game, so they continued copying Games Workshop with Starcraft, 1 and 2, Warcraft 2 3; adding their own story so as to be clear of litigation.

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

StarCraft doesn’t copy 40K. It’s oddly the other way around despite 40K being older. 40K doesn’t really look like StarCraft until after StarCraft. Like you look at the first few editions of the Tyranids and you probably aren’t mistaking them for the Zerg. StarCraft is more taking from Aliens versus Predator and Starship Troopers. It’s basically Blizzard’s Alien vs Predator RTS game with Starship Troopers Power Armor and movie Starship Troopers Arachnids folded into the Xenomorphs. Stuff like the humans being very southern in StarCraft feels like someone at Blizzard was reading Dark Horse Alien comics.

[@fubarace1027]

@@DIOBrando-ij2bp Eldar, Nids, and Imp Guard was the first thing I though when I played that game. But you're right that aliens vs humans is an old trope. Heinlein's Starship Troopers book predates 40k by quite a bit being written in '59, and the movie adaptation sure felt like Imp Guard v Tyranids to me. I played 2nd ed 40k before Starcraft came out (yes I'm ancient), while they weren't 1 for 1, the miniatures were convincing enough to be the inspiration for StarCraft (look at the 2nd ed Hormagaunt model before they were made generic). Particularly when you also looked at Epic 40k and the Armourcraft (precursor to Forgeworld in resin models for 40k) Tyranid resins that were sold back then.

[@eliphas_vlka]

​@@DIOBrando-ij2bpterrans are litteraly copies of spacemarines, even in color code bruh

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

​@@eliphas_vlka Bruh, you talking about how they’re blue? Because blue is literally the color of the power armor on the ‘80s and ‘90s cover of Starship Troopers bruh. The power armors doesn’t even really look the same. The 40K armor looks like a power armor version of Judge Dredd’s uniform, and is a play on knights armor...the first versions had beaked helmets like a knight.The StarCraft power armor looks like it was inspired by stuff from Appleseed and have space suit helmets. Outside of being power armor, there’s little that’s similar about the two; the similarities seem even less when you actually get a look of what the StarCraft 1 power armor looks like.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

The main thing with the 2 currencies is that the battlepass is only available in the direct units, while skins in the store are in the secondary currency. This means that you get a decent amount of premium currency for having the premium battlepass and playing, but you can't directly pay for the next battlepass with the currency you earned from the current one. It splits the currency you earned between the two currencies, meaning that you HAVE to use some of the currency you earn on the skin store and not just be one of those people who spend real money on the battlepass once and never again, like many do with Fortnite. That's the only bit where its scummy, because you HAVE to spend real money on the battlepasses. Personally, I don't mind this system too much. The battlepass is only $5 each, so it rewards people that effectively "subscribe" to the battlepasses by making them cheaper and also encouraging the acquisition of non-battlepass skins.

[@jordangervais5467]

Battlepass systems have ruined video games

[@xdrkcldx]

In Rivals, the sweats play ranked. In quickplay, you can play and have a good time. it isn't too crazy. Most people play there to have fun or to learn a new hero. The game will last for at least 2 years. the playerbase will dwindle a bit once other games come out. But, I bet new seasons and characters will bring the casuals back and new players.

[@dracowuhan7536]

I think this game is gonna be a main stay in the gaming community. They gonna add more maps, characters and different modes. They forsure already making missions

[@Spankmepink]

Deadlock isn't a hero shooter, its a moba.

[@tooitchy]

Ya, i installed it expecting a hero shooter, and found a moba. Because it's a moba I've been hesitant to play it, but I can't say i'm not intrigued

[@doriangrayest]

I play shooters and mobas, I suck at both. I have never fed so much in a game before playing deadlock

[@Spankmepink]

@@doriangrayest Same :D I have to drink before playing deadlock to deal with it.

[@hiiambarney4489]

It's not that bad. You can get a ton of gold in Farming, I just dislike re-learning item builds every 5 business days so I dropped it until it's in a better, more stable state.

[@doriangrayest]

@@Spankmepink I just stack the worst habits of each game in one toxic nonsensical flatbrain gameplay (while trying my best) Even with my team yelling and cursing at me about what I was doing, I didnt know how to fix it (I didnt even understand why my gamplay was bad with my team telling me)

[@Ceraph30]

I think it’s comic book art style is one reason that it’s so popular it’s identifying as the characters that made marvel so popular not the woke bs that is killing marvel today

[@marcusliviussalinator5529]

From what I've noticed, forcing a competitive scene into every RTS has almost killed the genre. Maybe, just maybe, turning even this game into yet another ‘sweat fiesta’ isn't the right move, because toxicity, ‘unfair’ matchmaking and forced meta are all part of the package and I'm pretty sure more than half the people who have been following the Marvel Universe just want to play and enjoy a game with their favourite superheroes.

[@cqbguy851]

Jeff the shark capitalized on the baby shark song, which like it or not had a very positive reception. Jeff the shark is, at least to me, obviously modeled in a similar way. It's nostalgic, silly, and OP in game. Every character in this game has it own existing fan base/nostalgic love and are all existing IPs. It's so simple to tell the natural draw to this, the original video is missing the forest for the trees.

[@grandmarshaljeromial5174]

Its an actual marvel character tho its the pet of gwenpool

[@dtuitt79]

It never made sense to me that a fps game would sell character skins & people would buy them. In a 3rd person shooter it makes sense.

[@12tranoke51]

Marvel Rivals has 400k on steam alone, on console its probably in millions

[@Morfe02]

20 millions they say Im playing with Epic games so i Guess they didnt lie about

[@ChosenPlaysYT]

I played a ton of Rivals. It’s a decent game but the matchmaking is so bad I quit the game. I’m talking one team’s DPS combines to go 88-5 and the other team’s goes 7-31. It happens in Overwatch too, but not every single game like Rivals. I would enjoy Rivals more than Overwatch if the matches weren’t so awful.

[@obryanmeli2887]

It takes time. Many characters function ectremely similar to overwatch which is a game that is 8 years old. I am a former masters player that is tearing up the low elo lobbys because that is were you start. After sometime it will be more balanced.

[@MegaCokamo]

It’ll take time. I left rivals after 5 hours of gameplay. I’m already playing overwatch again

[@Iridium.]

10:20 you wrong here lol. The time to kill is much higher in rivals compared to ow . The healings are INSANE .

[@Ryclops1057]

I'm glad you raised this point. Just yesterday, I was playing the Punisher. I dealt enough damage to easily kill the enemy team five times over from good killbox positions. The moment anyone's health got low, their health bar was fighting back and then skyrocketing back up to full, no matter how quickly I changed targets to find the weak link. It wasn't until they got cocky in a different terrain that I caught the healers lacking and wiped the team out one by one. That was insane, but I chalk it up to the healers back lining properly and using cover. To be fair, the enemy team wasn't advancing as I was shooting, so a purpose was served. It just felt like I was being cheated 😂 Forcing a respawn is better than forcing a grouped stalemate, especially with the PvP solo queue-based tendency to run back in piecemeal instead of as a full team.

[@MrPangahas]

If theyre smart about it,they should be already working on a PVEmode like OV2 promised and never delivered.That could keep players interested for when the hype dies. Meanwhile for Blizzard the best way to get back at it is to ditch OV2,make a new game like HOTS and bring in all their franchise characters and bring back OV1 mechanics and format.

[@riatorex8722]

Oh Lord not another game like HotS lmao. I mean, when was the last time that game got new content? Like, *major* one?

[@MrPangahas]

@@riatorex8722 I mean like combine all their IP characters in a hero shooter to compete with Rivals.OV2 is a lost cause, thats the only way I can think of for them to match with what Rivals is doing.If they dont do anything their major IPs like Diablo will be dead coz people have better alternatives like POE2 and now Rivals

[@joytest8224]

The free skins are not enough Overwatch, your marketing teams stranglehold on all the better detailed cosmetics is unfun if not sinister and everyone is tired of your company because of things like this. Please go away and sell your IP. sincerely, a player who supported OW1 and OW2 since both launch's a player who believed the lies a player who invested money as well as time

[@HanzorRaphael]

Blizzard lost to themselves...

[@awsomedudeguy12]

If they can avoid destroying game balance & burning money for a dogshit e-sports scene, they'll be completely fine.

[@WarHammer654]

Not changing the heroes or doing any balancing will make the game stale really quick

[@WarHammer654]

Now I think they could take a buffing approach instead of nerfing but they gotta change some stuff over time or it's stale gameplay

[@obryanmeli2887]

​@@WarHammer654buffing aproach is literally what blizzard did. Simply turning every character into a oneshotting god who has mobility sustain and everything is one of the many things that ruined the game. They just have to find a line where the strenght of the characters doesn't inpact the fun of the game and balance around that.

[@Shrooms-gud4ya]

Can't we have both, like separate mode for pro / streamers / e-sports scene and one separate mode that is casual friendly ?

[@maigzuu]

@@Shrooms-gud4yapretty sure they mean more like they hope theyre not just catering to esports and bring more attention the casual player base

[@R3dm3talHdZ]

Dont think I will ever stop loving Marvel Characters. They have been icons since inception.. so I dont think a free MARVEL game will ever really die 😂 Playing on Xbox and I dont even have gamepass or any subscriptions.

[@sdlausen1]

I used to LOVE original Overwatch when it was 6v6 and has its original creators.

[@brodisnider4115]

This game is kinda just farming off 5 years of bad decisions from overwatch, many of these players are just overwatch players who are fed up. Plus its grabbing a bunch of players from the marvel fanbase.

[@tinybabybread]

31:06 The devs don't want to implement role queue because they don't want to "limit players from choosing a role" A solution would be to require players to choose TWO roles. A primary/preferred role and a secondary role. Most people would pick dps/tank or dps/support. Some would do tank/support. By default it'll be a 50/50 between playing your chosen roles, and they could either add a pity system where if you don't get your preferred role after 2 or 3 matches, the next match will guarantee you get your preferred role. Or a soft pity where the longer you don't get your preferred role, the chance of getting it increases gradually. This feature should also be toggleable in case a player is fine having it be 50/50 all the time They've already got gacha mechanics in the game, might as well implement one that benefits matchmaking queues while also giving the people what they want

[@asimplewizard]

Gonna have to veto that and say absolutely not. No role lock in any way please.

[@lemongray175]

that's the problem though, can't please both sides. this solution has its cons, but also pros for both sides and is healthier for the game @asimplewizard

[@cbaileychamp]

Bro this game is insanely popular. I dont mind playing deathmatch for literally 2 minutes before i get a game. Mfs overexaggerate. We need role queue. Badly. Only in ranked but still ya. Role queue

[@asimplewizard]

@@lemongray175 I literally disagree that it would be healthy for the game. I think it was unhealthy when OW did it because they wouldn't just nerf Brig. If I had to queue for roles I didn't want to play, I'd just uninstall the game and I know many are like that too. It greatly increases queue times and if you've ever played another game with a multi role queue system, you'd know that the majority of the time, you get the less popular role. Nobody wins, nobody benefits, outside of some dated concept of 2-2-2 which isn't even the meta in this game anyways. 1-3-2, 2-1-3, and 3-0-3 are all perfectly viable comps.

[@lemongray175]

@@asimplewizard funny how all the comps you gave wants 2 supports

[@youngc570]

+ Does not actively go out of its way to make you stop playing like other AAA studios, they were serious about making a serious game -It's reskinned OW2 reskinned TF2.

[@dubiumguy]

One of the huge advantages Marvel Rivals has over other hero shooters is that they don't have to come up with characters from scratch. Marvel has already done the hard work for them with hundreds of awesome already fleshed out characters they could pull from. Okay what characters we missing? Well why don't we add Captain Marvel, Blade, or Doctor Doom? Maybe we could add the whole Fantastic Four characters set at the same time! Since they already know what the characters look like and what their comic book characters power sets are going to be that will influence what their game abilities will eventually be, then half the work is already done for them which lets them churn out new characters at a faster rate.