Blizzard lost to this..

[@adamcfwan17]

Overwatch suddenly gave it's players some challenges where they could earn 4 skins for absolutely free just by playing the game, one of which was from a collaboration. They barely give it's playerbase any skins for free. Such a coincidence they decided to do this when Marvel Rivals came out, very strange indeed, they are not panicking at all.

[@nickkerr6068]

Too late, uninstalled the game 😂😂😂

[@boxtears]

@@nickkerr6068 Based.

[@twistedf_]

They can give 20 for all anyone cares, they dug a grave for the game, murdered it, dumped it into the grave and then took a massive sh!t on top of it, didnt even bother to bury and now they are trying to defibrillate it.

[@scratthesquirrel5242]

do you not get skins by playing anymore? i only played the first one and in the early days.

[@adamcfwan17]

@@scratthesquirrel5242 You mostly get sprays/charms or other useless shit for free. Very rarely does Blizzard decide to be generous and actually give a skin away for free. Most of the time, they put skins in Battle Pass or Shop and when they are in the shop, they usually ask you to spend like 20 dollars on them.

[@bubbadumps3747]

MCU fatigue was just "shit fucking content" fatigue. people love superhero shit. they don't love poorly written corporate slop

[@NwahEnjoyer]

Exactly, there is no Superhero fatigue, only cringe mcu dialogue based movie fatigue, every movie looks like as if it came out of mcu. There is no character in their creation, only copy based bullshit tier direction in story. I love marvel but mcu is just so done

[@davidking2011]

Seriously. This game makes me want to see movies of some of these characters I have never heard of that look really cool, like Cloak and Dagger. Then again....probably get a lame ass Disney production. I miss the good days.

[@Raytheman581]

Exactly, not only that but deadpool movie and the spiderman playstation games prove this.

[@ryker4547]

​@@NwahEnjoyerNo, the MCU is not over, for you to come and say that ALL the MCU movies or series have cringe dialogue is stupid, when they have still delivered good things and there is still hype

[@ryker4547]

​@@davidking2011So are you going to say that everything Disney does is bad? because disney delivered loki and it was very good, x men 97 was very good, agatha was good and no one had faith in her

[@hashirama2000]

Concord didn't die. That would imply it had been alive at some point. It was stillborn

[@nikmullin7798]

You could say it was Dustborn.

[@iamwhoiam7887]

i wish i could have been stillborn

[@kueapel911]

It was alive at some point. They gave birth to it. It wasn't an abortion, it was infanticide. They took one week old product and took it to the back of the barn.

[@Qb3nsis]

I'm glad we all agree life doesn't begin at conception.

[@HOLLOWFENiX]

Concord died so Marvel Rivals could run. Nah who am I kidding. OW was already on its death bed. Concord was a caveat.

[@AtomicRooster52]

Rivals shows that it’s not hero shooters that are failing, it’s bad game design

[@genjishim5014]

If thats your argument Then MR lost this one to OW 😂.

[@_jinijin_]

​​@@genjishim5014 How is MR a worse game design than OW? They have the same game objectives and the Heroes arguably have better designs. The heroes are also not limited to 4 abilities and there are no restrictions on what their kit can be.

[@ScythesBlade]

@@genjishim5014 By... coming in to massive commercial success, whereas OW has dwindled into obscurity and its only redeeming factor is the R34 artists?

[@code066funkinbird3]

Ok boomer

[@utkuyazc5848]

Ow launch was 10x bigger than rivals btw :D Lets see where rivals will be in 6 months. These hero shooter games are design-wised cursed. In 6 months skill cap between averadge and high elo players will be huge and %90 of the games will be one sided from start to finish. In mid 2025 averadge online player number will be around 10k :). Take my note.

[@hamsterwolf]

When you don't spend all your time thinking about messaging and politics you can put that energy towards making a game that's fun for people to play.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

Marvel fatigue isn't Marvel fatigue. It's Disney fatigue. Disney writing feels like Disney writing. It's corporate it's forced it's gross it's soulless and it made Star Wars feel dead and it made Marvel feel dead.

[@Zenthe_]

To be fair, their comics have stunk for the past decade. Terrible ideologue writers are a big factor.

[@ricardohoang8452]

​@@Zenthe_ The results of disknee owned Marvel, they were!

[@bigheadrhino]

It’s because they try to appeal to the widest possible audience instead of a target audience which makes everything bland.

[@Tamachii12]

@@bigheadrhino I was amused they left the scene where Thor beheads Thanos on endgame... since everything got watered down.

[@gargaraslaika]

It not marvel it's more the movie format and connected universe. Add the shit writing but even without it if you want to be up to date you have to watch 20 movies and and a bunch of tv shows. Also the ton of movies that come out. It's oversaturated and people just want diversity. If after end game they didn't make anything for a few years and then started again with a clean slate it would have worked better. Like starting the prosses of a connected universe again with references to the past ones but not so connected. That's why comics have so many reboots when it becomes bogged down they hit the reset button and it's fresh again.

[@hizzousekakashi8836]

Everyone talks about how MR stole OW's crown, they did not do that, they walked into the throne room with the crown on an empty throne as the former king hangs their ass out the window and shits on their players.

[@defconbois]

best analogy

[@thalanoth]

Yet my computer can't play it lol. 1080 isn't shit anymore:(

[@wraithhe]

Rip​@@thalanoth

[@kylesawkon4074]

@@thalanothI play on a tv from 2008 lol you don’t see me crying

[@kadon-m3f]

@@kylesawkon4074 a TV is completely different from a graphics card especially since you are using a new gen console like wtf lmao .

[@fredxu99]

Marvel Rivals: a hero shooter that has heroes that actually feel and look like heroes.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

And actually superheroes.

[@27455628]

It make you feels like spider man

[@ulfrthewolf5065]

@@27455628 that swinging mechanic doesn’t 😂

[@Mandrewlochner]

This is porn, dude. Don't pretend it's popular because it's a game. It's popular because it's porn.

[@LuBronyr]

@@Mandrewlochner Indeed, and?

[@vokuhila6913]

the moment rivals gets a pve game mode or enough time to have like 6 arcade game modes its perfect

[@blutwirbel3180]

Honestly I always love fun, quick, turn your brain off arcade game modes. The Jeff gamemode seems like a very fun and kinda stupid experience

[@mezzops1716]

well it sorta kind of does with practice with ai but yea a pve mode like the one blizz was talking about would kill OW2 completely

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

no but get ready for ranked. you know its coming

[@SliceLeedice]

IMO seeing what the character looks from 3rd person perspective elevates the player gameplay experience. Bought the Psylocke skin and have been winning a lot with 25+ kills per game in competitive mode. *No Regrets*

[@Jsobone]

I grabbed that one first as well. She's one of my favorite X-Men characters of all time.

[@ZonaiHero-ul5nm]

I feel the same way about Star-Lord I got the Guardians of the galaxy 3 bundle, and have no regrets.

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

third person shooters are all bad though

[@SapunMan]

Got the free Peni skin from PSN, haven't lost a game as her yet.

[@tomorchard6660]

Makes the game feel much slower though, I think the base movement speed is similar between MR and OW but the third person movement feels much less immersive, my only gripe with MR

[@erikhendrickson59]

The *_Rivals_* devs aren't killing the game's fun-factor by over balancing every Hero into mediocrity in an effort to artificially create an esport

[@Anonym-mh7sz]

To be fair, concord was shit for entirely different reasons and overwatch got shittified with overwatch 2. Both studios made terrible design decisions that killed the respective games. Gamebalance was by for not the biggest contributor

[@svenstevenson2245]

One of the best ways to balance is not to nerf, not to say nerfing isnt called for sometimes, but instead of taking away from something that is fund because it is strong, instead buffing other characters/heroes/classes so they can compete with the OP one, that way you do not remove the fun from playing the one character while at the same time making other characters viable and potentially by powering them up also equally fun and rewarding to play as.

[@libervitaexaltis4551]

I remember playing Pyro in team fortress, standing just outside the enemy spawn and setting them on fire as soon as they jumped out lmao. This would never happen in modern games. It would offend the corporate managers

[@adamcfwan17]

The developers even said they want to avoid nerfs and instead want to focus on buffing the not so good characters, which I think is the best approach, since the already fun characters will still be fun. They are also not considering a role queue right now, which is also nice, they are basically doing all the right decisions you could make with this type of game.

[@orestogams]

​@@libervitaexaltis4551 Rivals is basically the same. Good old fun

[@bradleighb]

Psylocke's cake is solo no diffing Overwatch 2. If Overwatch wants to stand a chance, they're going to need to release another asian with a big butt.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

Well at least several "animation teams/animator" gets to earn their bread from farming marvel rivals for the next several years

[@7kortos7]

Dagger got cake too. Psylocke has been a favorite of mine for years though so i'm happy she looks great in game.

[@HOLLOWFENiX]

Seriously. Juno who? Mercy who? D. Va who? Psylocke puts all those characters to shame in the bakery department.

[@thelast749]

@@Ozzystrayroo That's me I'm one of them

[@GigglingStoners]

Rivals has zero cake compared to OW.

[@toms7114]

39.2 million people is 0.5% of the entire world. Steam had half a percent of the entire world on the system at one time. WTF!

[@Ozzystrayroo]

It might be smaller than that due to bot farms and sock account. But yeah it is pretty impressive iirc steam has over 1 billions registered account

[@DrNiradino]

Game also released on consoles, so it's not just steam.

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@DrNiradino That's literally not the metric that he was talking about. Steam had 39.2 million people online at once. Learn to read.

[@captainspaulding5963]

​@DrNiradino no, it quite literally WAS just Steam. You can tell because they used the metrics from STEAM, and not console

[@AlexSmith-vq7xz]

That sounds so small yet so much at the same time somehow

[@bitpokit]

8:44 Dear Mike Ybarra, No one cares who did it first. They care who does it best. Welcome to Capitalism.

[@luck9837]

Dropped OW the day Rivals came out, uninstalled and deleted blizzard app

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

I wonder what the graphs look like on how many players dropped from blizzard?

[@MinecraftDwarves]

Me playing Overwatch for 2 Hours: "I want to stop" Me playing Rivals for 2 Hours: "Woops, it's actually 3am already"

[@theguardianwolf7206]

Me going on a ten loss streak in marvel rivals ranked and then still queuing anyway

[@1llusionzz]

Legit the last 2 work nights 😂

[@DOOM_glazer]

Bro i cant even play a gane for 1 hour straight its very rare to actually sit and play multiple matches but rivals fun af

[@94DEATHSOUL94]

Feel the same but I don't know if it's because it's new, we shall wait and see

[@BIGIFANDYELLOWCARD]

PRetty much. Once you hit Diamond in ranked you get bans on the broken heroes such as Hela, Mantis and Hawkeye. The game allows players to balance it themself.

[@7kortos7]

If Marvel Rivals releases story missions people will take turns burying Overwatch 2 lmao.

[@MichaelGonzalez-ud9kh]

For real like a horde mode too with mini bosses.

[@bokan1056]

@@MichaelGonzalez-ud9kh Vampire Survivor Mode

[@tobluetoblack]

How about a boss rush mode. Either 6 or two teams trying to take down one big villain like Doom, Ultron, Galactus, Apocalypse and so on.

[@johnpastaman]

I still wanna know what the f*ck I pre ordered when they announced OW2 and had us pay 24.99 on battle net for it…..

[@אורז-צ5ט]

​​@@johnpastamanif I remember correctly, you preordered the season 1 battlepass and 2000 overwatch coins for a choice to spend on either the shop or future battlepasses. They also included a bunch of old Overwatch 1 skins and a few new Overwatch 2 skins but that's about it.

[@hornzby3650]

Blizzard lost to themselves 💀

[@jonny45k44]

"Get out of your own way" comes to mind

[@FungalBunghole]

Skull emoji moment

[@Ozzystrayroo]

Truly....the "war within"

[@mongoosegang]

Overwatch lost to TF2 before Overwatch even came out. TF2 is still by far the best hero shooter.

[@mukamuka0]

True, and if you think about it. Netease uses to host & services Blizzard game including Overwatch and Bliz broke down the contract. So, this might even be some kind of Revenge from Netease

[@PaigeMora3x]

They didn't include Jeff because they knew he was famous and popular. They put him in because they knew he would become renowned and popular.

[@frequentsee3815]

Did you just steal a comment you saw with likes and slightly reword it for fake likes that don't matter at all for anything...?

[@TheDendran]

Its an OF bot

[@Perkos1]

one more point to expiring Battlepasses - if it's expiring, it makes me over-play the game during this time, and then usually comes fatigue, especially when I already see, that I have no chance to "win". I just abandon it until the next event. When it does not expire, I can slowly grind and take my time until the next one.

[@CalciumChief]

People act as if Overwatch was still a competition. Overwatch "2" killed the whole IP.

[@priest148]

If they followed through with the single player campaign, kept lootboxes, and left the team size alone...they probably wouldn't be in this position.

[@BushidoW]

Yep

[@rfewer]

Me when I spit false narratives for the purpose of farming likes on KZbin. Ow2 was never dead and the fact so many people were complaining about the game is evidence that there is still a huge fanbase who wants to see the game do well

[@rfewer]

@@priest148they couldn’t keep lootboxes, it goes directly against the current business model and the same reason rivals doesn’t have lootboxes, the f2p only works because people will buy skins. The dev team getting smaller was due to Covid and blizzards layoffs which is more of a problem with the company and not the developers so it’s kind of foolish to blame them for it, it’s also the same reason PvE failed but I agree they shouldn’t of led us on. If you seriously think lootboxes being removed is a top concern then I doubt you actually play the game. Get over it, lootboxes will never return and it’s obvious why

[@priest148]

@rfewer Woah, dude, take a chill pill! It ain't that serious. Lootboxes were a small portion of my post, but you decided to write a small essay on it. I don't really care, all that much. My biggest gripe was the PvE being rug-pulled on us. There's literally no defense for that... Edit: You misunderstood my statement on team size, which is kinda understandable. I wasn't talking about Dev team, I was talking about the in-game team sizes.

[@D3moknight]

Yeah the bullshit part about Overwatch 1 is that I bought that game. I didn't want a F2P microtransaction lottery bullshit game, I bought the game I wanted. OW2 comes around and they just shut down OW1 and move everyone to OW2? No fucking thank you.

[@Vrip5824]

Exactly and it just stings even more that the only change that was made was the stupid number after the title.

[@captainspaulding5963]

​@@Vrip5824 but wait, you forgot that they took it from 6v6 to 5v5 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sebastianbronowicki7073]

​@captainspaulding5963 They brought it back once they realised how shit 5v5 was

[@AngryAlfonse]

@@Vrip5824 no no OW2 has the *promise* of PVE content I mean, they never actually implemented it, but they *PROMISED* it and that's good enough. Right? Right!?

[@borrow4654]

​@@captainspaulding5963and now they are reverting back to 6v6 LOL

[@boxtears]

So OW2 has expiring game passes while Rivals doesn't. Imagine being more predatory than NetEase. Bravo, Blizz, keep eating those Ls.

[@ImponteDeluxo]

Netease understands that keeping your clients happy means that they are much more willingly to give them money

[@Jetsugai]

Your both not using your brains guys, Fortnite and Valorant both have way more players and their battle passes go away forever too lmao

[@cainsalem3544]

@Jetsugai fortnite is a battle royale and valorant is an esports game both have been out for years. I would hope they’d have more players lmfao?

[@SkyClears]

I bought the last OW2 BP because I wanted the Ana skin at the end of the BP. I played one game and went back to the BP and realized quickly that I wasn't actually going to be able to play enough to even get her, so I asked for refund. Blizzard wouldn't give me one :3 I play Rivals now.

[@phantomberzerk9486]

Netease PC isn't that greedy takr naraka for example

[@DarkSpells87]

Some of the powers that Marvel Rivals heroes have... my god, they are so damn good. Dr Strange portal, as prime example, I don't even know how they coded it so well. It is such an amazing skill in a game full of very well designed abilities.

[@obryanmeli2887]

Is my pc just bad, or does the portal create heavy fps drops for everyone? I have a 3060 which i thought would be enough.

[@ZubinArya]

@@obryanmeli2887 its for everyone i have a 4090/7800x3d it still drops frames heavily

[@ljxr2745]

@@obryanmeli2887some people don’t have a problem with it while some do, I know people with decked out pcs noticing frame drops cause of his portal, mine too

[@DarkSpells87]

@obryanmeli2887 yea it really puts strain on PC. However it does the same for enemies so you can use that as a weapon. 😂

[@artpropaganda420]

Coded so good: fps drops twice for everyone in match 😂

[@momhips7131]

Marvel Rivals is so good that I am rewatching all of movies leading up to Endgame. Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor Ragnarok, and Infinity War are all masterpieces.

[@usrIO30581l]

Comics too 👍🏽

[@usrIO30581l]

Definitely can mash up with what if series .

[@chuckkentucky3781]

Calling marvel movies masterpieces is like calling overwatch players mentally stable

[@ljxr2745]

Lmao same wtf I have recently been watching guardians of the galaxy cause I realized I barely watched any mcu movies except spider man and avengers

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

your wifes boyfriend must be proud of you

[@minnidot]

im online too much.

[@nickkerr6068]

No one asked

[@TitanfallTeachings]

Wanna play?

[@elmoudir1189]

​@@nickkerr6068 I did

[@TitanfallTeachings]

​@@nickkerr6068are you bot or gay

[@TitanfallTeachings]

We all are fren go touch snow

[@BECK_4D]

Marvel have so much content to add and keep players engaged, is just easy to imagine how big this game could get if they keep doing things right

[@tooitchy]

Ya, the biggest mistake they've made imo, was not giving Wolverine a good default look. It is painful playing a hairy man in a jacket, when his classic costume is in the store

[@pixavier9746]

@@tooitchy Thats marketing 101, they want you to buy skins, and they know pretty well what are the skins that will sell the most, thats most probably the reason why they also went with the less known Psylocke ninja as her default design instead of the... Classic one...

[@animegx45]

They didn't put Jeff in because they knew he was famous and popular. He was put in because they knew he _would_ be famous and popular.

[@-Overlord--]

Jeff being Jeff 🍷🗿

[@yoyogo504]

They put him in after the huge success of Jeff popularity because of Marvel snap.

[@Besend522]

Well Marvel have this card game called Marvel Snap, and guess what. Jeff is one of the most iconic characters in there. Everyone loves him! Jeff is just awesome and was designed in a very smart way. He's cute, and that's all he needs to be successful and popular.

[@xero4479]

A cute little sharky boy that heals your teammates and can gobble up the entire enemy team at once and spit them out off the map to get an instant 6K, of course we were all gonna love Jeff, he's adorable

[@PsychoSpiral]

A Jeff built OW, and a Jeff will destroy OW.

[@malcolmliang]

I watched a streamer play Overwatch recently and the viewers could stream snipe 10 out of 10 games, one game even had three stream snipers. This is not possible with a player base that's active and alive.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

The main thing with the 2 currencies is that the battlepass is only available in the direct units, while skins in the store are in the secondary currency. This means that you get a decent amount of premium currency for having the premium battlepass and playing, but you can't directly pay for the next battlepass with the currency you earned from the current one. It splits the currency you earned between the two currencies, meaning that you HAVE to use some of the currency you earn on the skin store and not just be one of those people who spend real money on the battlepass once and never again, like many do with Fortnite. That's the only bit where its scummy, because you HAVE to spend real money on the battlepasses. Personally, I don't mind this system too much. The battlepass is only $5 each, so it rewards people that effectively "subscribe" to the battlepasses by making them cheaper and also encouraging the acquisition of non-battlepass skins.

[@quill8547]

Rivals is living the life concord literally dreamed of having😂

[@Dealman15]

No surprise, Marvel is a franchise a lot of people like and on top of that Marvel Rivals doesn't take itself too seriously which Overwatch did. Of course, when the majority of your playerbase is casual players and you only balance characters based on their performance in top ranked - they're gonna leave. Here we have a hero shooter with goofy but solid gameplay, and people love it. I don't miss Genji calling out for heals one bit, Overwatch is in the garbage where it rightfully belongs.

[@Benrir.]

go woke and go broke

[@user-uc7zf1xd8p]

​@@Dealman15when genji mains used to spam "I Need Healing" and harass mercies the game was still good.

[@Sovereign12]

$5 battlepass that gave me 5 actually nice skins, some $currency back that can be used on the next one, and another currency to work towards buying the $20 skins. Having a hard time seeing the problem there in a free game.

[@josh6689]

that changes in season 1, pass goes to $10.

[@MrCreatureification]

So its good when rivals does it but but bad when overwatch does it?

[@Ardarail]

​@@MrCreatureification nothing wrong with selling cosmetics, it's the pricing that people care about.

[@MrCreatureification]

@@Ardarail Rivals prices range from 16 to 35 per skin and Overwatch seems to run 16 to 19 per skin. So...

[@mrc95gaming22]

@@MrCreatureification don’t have to buy the battle pass for a character. Maybe OW has changed this but that was crazy.

[@unleashed2724]

Almost like character design was absolutely part of what drew people in along with the Marvel name. Concord could never.

[@gorrvaskr5963]

Exactly, even Paladins couldn’t keep up due to poor character design.

[@xdrkcldx]

In Rivals, the sweats play ranked. In quickplay, you can play and have a good time. it isn't too crazy. Most people play there to have fun or to learn a new hero. The game will last for at least 2 years. the playerbase will dwindle a bit once other games come out. But, I bet new seasons and characters will bring the casuals back and new players.

[@ChosenPlaysYT]

I played a ton of Rivals. It’s a decent game but the matchmaking is so bad I quit the game. I’m talking one team’s DPS combines to go 88-5 and the other team’s goes 7-31. It happens in Overwatch too, but not every single game like Rivals. I would enjoy Rivals more than Overwatch if the matches weren’t so awful.

[@obryanmeli2887]

It takes time. Many characters function ectremely similar to overwatch which is a game that is 8 years old. I am a former masters player that is tearing up the low elo lobbys because that is were you start. After sometime it will be more balanced.

[@MegaCokamo]

It’ll take time. I left rivals after 5 hours of gameplay. I’m already playing overwatch again

[@Bainna]

I am hocked on marvel rivals, the gameplay is really good the heroes are fun to play and the character design style is really unique

[@Pfuetz4]

It’s fun. And I can have fun for 10 minutes. Never feel stuck in a bad game, easy to queue up after a good game.

[@bradkirchhoff5703]

Its extremely bad…

[@iamwhoiam7887]

"unique" lol they literally copy/pastes mercy's ult for adam warlock

[@captainspaulding5963]

Character design is......unique???? That word you're using, I don't think it means what you think it means....

[@dziany380]

duuude healer has res on ult? its not like its obvious ultimate for a healer...

[@IgorJCorrea]

I mean, like 90% of the people that will stay playing rivals will be overwatch players, so it's expected

[@djandjb1]

People keep saying this, but as someone who gushed over the original OW game, I can’t say I’ve even had as much fun with the original, like legitimately. People aren’t giving this game enough of its individual credit for how fun it is.

[@fitblood]

Yeah I'm never going back to overwatch. rivals is super fun there is only a few heroes I don't enjoy playing

[@fredxu99]

I played Overwatch back on launch but quit after a while, and OW2 was such a bad joke that I didn't even install it.

[@IgorJCorrea]

@@djandjb1 yeah it is, I think 6v6 overwatch is still better in general but marvel is super fun because everything is new and there's good amount of content, I have almost 100 hours already for a reason lol. It's just better to finally have 2 games to play in this genre

[@GregPiggot]

Marvel rivals is my first ever hero shooter game or whatever genre it is and i love it! Pure chaos every match. Havent touched ranked yet though and probably never will as i play for fun

[@XPjonjon]

Widowmaker: Charged up shot that can oneshot most heroes or rapid fire for close range combat, grapple on a really long cooldown to move around, venom mine, ult can show everyone on your team where anyone on the enemy team is (Still the dumbest ult in the game when sombra and hanzo get it for free most of the match) Black Widow: Charged up shot that does NOT one shot and charges after every shot so you cannot spam the shots, has melee weapons for close range, a kick to knock back enemies THEN can grapple them, Sprint movement and has a superjump to get to highground, ult its a laser that can be charged up and everyone who is hit by it gets slowed movement. It's laughable when people say characters are just copies man.

[@kylesawkon4074]

I think many are hybrids, like spidey and panther each have a genji move but they also have their unique abilities

[@markoquizzes1143]

For real! Hanz- i mean, hawkeye is my favorite!

[@XPjonjon]

remember he's a hanzo because he uses a bow!

[@doriangrayest]

Widowmaker feels so bad Any other DPS can strafe like they are on cocaine with full accuracy and power while Widow has to stand still slowly charging a shot that only kills if you land a perfect headshot on a cracked Soujorn that can kill you twice before the shot charges. Either that or backline enemy dps will stomp your ass until switch

[@tylers30]

​@kylesawkon4074 Exactly, hybrids. Star Lord is literally tracer with a soldier 76 ult. I think most of the characters being hybrids of Overwatch heroes is fine. I like it

[@reaVaen]

Overwatch went from great the first year to worse every subsequent year. So much potential lost to a trash dev team.

[@christopherdoherty1229]

One thing that wasn't mentioned is that even if you aren't aware of a character or IP, if you were to look them up, you would be able to learn about and invest in the character so much more than if it was a newly designed character. Comics and lore can make you like these characters so much more, even if you've never heard of them.

[@theredpillneo2296]

6:00 nah destiny had the worst… 70 dollar game, paid for all their dlc, then they make the base game free, don’t give anyone who purchased it anything and then removes content from the game u PAID FOR

[@isshonsaha8673]

Don't forget the freemium economy

[@aerickmon3350]

Crazy how nobody talks about how destiny is truly the king of everything most people say is bad with modern games Fomo, competitive, micro transactions, crossovers, forever game, deletion of payed content, metas, toxicity, poor updates/expansions, massive overpricing, redone and reuse assets and experiences, worker time constraints, modern writing, constant story that makes no sense, bad designs, confusing layered mechanics, mountains of lore to even grasp anything actually good in the games storytelling and gambling for very bad rewards

[@aerickmon3350]

And probably so so much more I don’t even have accurate literacy to write for

[@MrrGervais]

YESSSSSSSSSS ! I HATE BUNGIE

[@laszloneumann500]

You mean the walmart warframe?

[@JustNTimeGames]

It's pretty simple... Marvel Rivals is FUN... OG Overwatch used to be very fun, but it got way too competitive and they catered to the competitive market so much they introduced role queue, gimped so many heroes, and just made playing unbearable for those who didn't care about metagaming. Almost every hero in Rivals feels pwerful right now (minus maybe Wolverine lol - he needs a small buff).

[@minin911]

Wolverine has the potential to pop off. His damage scales with the enemy health total, so he can kidnap and shred tanks really well

[@DoubleXP-u1g]

role queue saved OW. i don't know how people started parroting this narrative but the game increased players after role queue. everyone was complaining about not enough people wanting to heal or tank. you can even still play non-role queue because both modes are in the game, and role queue has MORE players. i understand the Rivals hype but there's so much misinformation around OW. Asmon in this video even says no one dies in OW, which is just wrong i mean he doesn't even play it.

[@stillnotchill2560]

​@@DoubleXP-u1g it was a shortsighted bandaid on a larger problem,where they had no idea how to balance and everyone found new ways to make goats work(3 tanks 3 support), it was honestly because nobody could play dps heroes without throwing or getting spam reported in any elo masters and above. You show a lot of ignorance thinking it was implemented because people wouldn't tank, when the issue was tank/support was OP and they failed to balance the game so they just forced 2/2/2. Why balance when you can put everyone on rails? Then role que significantly increased queue times. Game died.

[@stillnotchill2560]

​@@DoubleXP-u1galso the problem WAS that nothing would die. Goats was the meta for almost 2 years, you had to use about 4 ults in high elo to get a single kill. Then when it went to role queue, you had orisa shield and sigma shield, sym wall, Baptiste lamp, mercy res, it was literally shield spam simulator. You sound painfully hard stuck plat.

[@DoubleXP-u1g]

​@@stillnotchill2560 maybe to your mentally ill mind i sound plat but you're telling me information im already aware of, i went through that meta and experienced the same team fights you did. how is OW dead? check steam charts. lamp and sym wall still exists, its fine. Asmon wasn't speaking like it was past tense, he's speaking as if no one dies NOW. which is wrong. you're arguing AGAINST role queue, how you gonna call me plat with that logic? next you'll tell me the same plat argument everyone else has, which is "role queue kills creativity" what hrs do you have in OW and what rank are you? when was the last time you actually played the game.

[@RustCohleTX]

Blizzard killed Overwatch way before anyone else could💀💀💀

[@MrClockw3rk]

And yet you all still play

[@PnB_Menace]

To be fair blizzard probably has lawsuit this game is literally overwatch 1 for 1

[@MichaelGonzalez-ud9kh]

Overwatch 2 killed overwatch

[@Nobody0117]

​@@PnB_MenaceThat's not happening lol they'd have to be even more delusional than Nintendo

[@matdan2]

@@MrClockw3rkEh? How do you know he still plays? Or do you just spout random “facts”?

[@Stark10803]

i just hate how my neighbors always know when its spider time.

[@Pryvyd9]

First impression is important. I refunded cyberpunk 2077 and didn't think about giving it another try until the 2.0 update with dlc. It takes a lot of work to change a person's mind. The problem with live service games is that you don't have that time. You lose money by keeping the servers up and the game dies because less players means less content for remaining players.

[@theyluvmono]

Blizzards been going downhill for awhile now no surprise

[@PnB_Menace]

Downbad

[@riddert4966]

Pretty sure revenue wise this is one of the best years for Activision-Blizzard. But sadly that doesn't mean the quality of their games went up..

[@Katniss0000]

@@riddert4966 because amongus gold is still paying Nostalgia game World of Warcraft. they don't even bother to upgrade it to modern standards because nostalgia peeps is married to it. blizzard could make a a mmo game with Overwatch gameplay but NO. Mouse clicking and Tab targeting is king

[@SkyeonX]

It was over once Marvel Rivals released Squirrel Girl

[@Ozzystrayroo]

They actually make squirrel girl infinitely more presentable than her comic version...it's pretty surprising.

[@cole71]

@@Ozzystrayroo not really. comics overtaken by the same people thar run the movies. MCU doesn't touch this.

[@juvenileygo]

​@@cole71 squirrel almost made MCU debut, only failed cus it attracted small impression.

[@owenharrison761]

@@cole71 but all of these exist because someone at marvel studios approved, NetEase can just greenlight whatever they want, it's not their ip

[@cole71]

@@juvenileygo they would’ve ruined her.

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

Game is really fun but i do have one major critique. The healers go stupid i can do over 3000 damage to single player and they instantly get all there health back repeatedly. In turn matches generally turn into stalemates.

[@PhilipAlexanderHassialis]

21:07 - that's not entirely true. By that argument, new people would never get into oh, let's say chess - which IS ultra competitive and it has an established hierarchy and metric system. Just because there are computers who will play chess far better than you or there are a couple of people whose skill and tactical thinking you will never match, it doesn't detract new players from enjoying the game.

[@iguran6035]

Bad analogy, in chess i just need to think and speak to be able to play, the skill comes from thought not reaction times. Plus in chess theres no chance of you getting spawn killed to the point you can do nothing when starting. That and every move in chess can be planned and predicted you cant do that with an online shooter.

[@joemcauley5800]

this year has been great for gamers. poe2, wukong, marvel rivals, palworld, space marine 2, elden ring dlc, metaphor and im pretty sure i've forgot something.

[@garneg4264]

You're missing helldivers 2 brother

[@solarflaredragoon]

And astrobot

[@joemcauley5800]

@@garneg4264 true

[@SpiderNightcrawler]

And Silent Hill 2

[@mothman1227]

Concord :)

[@erenmos]

Funny thing is, they didnt have to do much, they just looked at what blizzard used to do and did the same, blizzard basically lost to themselves

[@blackyonbi]

the problem with Overwatch is that they focused TOO MUCH on the competitive minority instead of the fun of the casual player. they refined EVERY SINGLE detail, reworkded every hero each f***ng season which made it useless to try and main a hero if youre gonna get punished if Blizzard decides to throw in a new hero and YOUR MAIN will be nerfed because it would become a valid counterpick to the new hero. Dont know why Blizzard wants to catter so hard to "E- sports" when the casual player wouldnt care about top 500.

[@_mgcobra_9846]

They definitely cater to casuals over pro players that’s why Reinhardt doesn’t ever get buffed, it’s because he performs very well in metal ranks, they don’t nerf widow because she performs poorly in low ranks. I don’t know where you got the idea that they care about competitive players.

[@Michael-sy1ni]

I 100 percent agree, that why all those dam tanks got buffed, because all the top 500 and streamers wouldn’t stop bitchin about how bad they are.

[@stuffylamb3420]

@@_mgcobra_9846 Yep. Most people that complain about overwatch stopped playing around season 1 or 2 and just regurgitate other bad takes they read online. Marvel Rivals is popular because they copied and pasted Overwatch gameplay with Marvel heroes and people are shitting on Overwatch for some reason lol. Zero self-awareness. Rivals is in its honeymoon phase. The community is gonna get toxic real quick and start complaining about the game’s balancing, just give it six months lol.

[@Katniss0000]

game was so fun when I can beat roadhog with a support. Now Support is basically DOOMFIST free frags. Not sure about the other updates. But I quit when Doomfist is meta.

[@traphimawari7760]

I think a good solution to making a pvp game competitive is to add a different competitive environment, much like in tf2 where certain weapons are banned to nerf the classes and some stat tweaks, tweaks that don't affect the casual game mode and is only applied to ranked, like maybe in rank there's a limit to jeff the land sharks ult or dr.stranges portals can only go so far, etc. I think that is a good solution to separate the tryhards and those who just want to have fun, you'll get a tryhard in a casual game but they will have to adapt to a more limitless environment therefore it isn't very good for them to train or to smurf on players since they are dealing with different mechanics.

[@thegongoozler3374]

26:20 Just because the game is F2P doesn't mean the company should have the right to overcharge for in-game items. If all micro-transactions were just $5 and all the current active players bought only 5 skins a month every month for a year, the game would generate over 9 million dollars. Saying "the company needs to make money somehow" is ridiculous. $20-$30 is way too much, and I personally believe there should be a legal limit for what they can charge for extra in-game purchases. The company has their rights, and so do the people. Extorting the people via manipulative tactics to pay for overpriced items is anti-comsumer, and anti-consumer practices infringe on the people's rights.

[@Akakiryuushin]

dont know if its said yet but the 33 character rooster is very important. it allows plenty of well known heroes and unknown nobodies to be in the game so people can play their favorites and get some new ones.

[@Rowlandi11]

The reasons why it’s likely this game stays around for a long time are: 1. The game has a strong foundation made to be built upon for years with genuinely fun gameplay loops in their character designs reminiscent of old OW 2. Marvel characters

[@them4licious0ne]

theres like a gazillion marvel characters, and being an umbrella ip of disney, they can literally put other characters that they own in there if they for some reason run out of marvel characters, its literally an infinite content cow.

[@naclo1178]

The only way it can fail is if Disney starts getting greedy

[@zachariahzollers7667]

Marvel rivals actually respects the source material. That’s why people don’t have “marvel fatigue” with this game.

[@code066funkinbird3]

True

[@DragonFist9323]

As a huge Iron Fist fan I'm happy he was included even though is not Danny Rand (he should've been the one and Lin Lei as skin) been playing nonstop.

[@chrisbos1298]

iron fist is a good hero but he is currently way to overpowered not because the character is actually overpowered but rather because a majority of the player base doesnt want to play vanguard and so iron fist players are able to just rush past them and decimate the squishy strategists cause none of your teammates want to defend the healers and then just whine about the fact that the dead healers arent healing them

[@goktugonvermez8140]

War within was not Salvation then, one day they would lose at Wow front as well to the independent project ascension

[@awsomedudeguy12]

If they can avoid destroying game balance & burning money for a dogshit e-sports scene, they'll be completely fine.

[@WarHammer654]

Not changing the heroes or doing any balancing will make the game stale really quick

[@WarHammer654]

Now I think they could take a buffing approach instead of nerfing but they gotta change some stuff over time or it's stale gameplay

[@obryanmeli2887]

​@@WarHammer654buffing aproach is literally what blizzard did. Simply turning every character into a oneshotting god who has mobility sustain and everything is one of the many things that ruined the game. They just have to find a line where the strenght of the characters doesn't inpact the fun of the game and balance around that.

[@Shrooms-gud4ya]

Can't we have both, like separate mode for pro / streamers / e-sports scene and one separate mode that is casual friendly ?

[@tonyr9956]

Marvel rivals is overwatch before gamer gate turned it into crap

[@stanislavkimov2779]

Who would have thought, 100% focusing on giving gamers what they want will make everyone happy.

[@WesternMarxism-ne5tr]

You mean Sweet Baby Inc. (Who now go by "Powell group" due to backlash)

[@scratthesquirrel5242]

"ironic" - darth gamertine

[@RandoCDN87]

I assure you it wasn't Gamergate. Blizzard made into shit because of Bobby Kotick's greed. Keplan wanted so much for Overwatch to grow and improve, but Bobby's greed and decisions made it suffer. Which I understand why Keplan hightailed out of there before the Blizzard scandal broke out.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

When the imitators outdo the originator. It's already 2 to 0 for blizzard with PoE vs diablo, and now this. What's next? A new mmorpg blew WoW out of the water?

[@1777franky]

Maybe suicide squad shouldn't of tried to virtue signal so hard by refusing to use harlequins original outfit

[@MB-jr3sm]

good, let overwatch burn, and i say this as an overwatch player

[@CoachKevanKillsit]

This

[@kaasschaaf4823]

Traitors/s

[@lobsterparty72]

Amen

[@mrpotatorocks]

only chance is overwatch classic, you need 6v6 and pirateshit and 3 heals 3 tank combo again the good old days fuaAAAAA

[@MB-jr3sm]

@@mrpotatorocks your mother

[@Quantum_Bluntz]

Remember McCree? Yeah, Blizzard doesn’t either. 😅😅😅

[@code066funkinbird3]

Jessie mcree eh

[@goodestboy174]

Completely unrelated but I'm really thankful you don't scream, yell or hoot and hollar while making content. Usually your videos just play in the background while I'm working or just playing a video game. As soon as it switches to another content creator, my fucking speakers blow up with some random ass vtuber screaming at the top of their lungs over nothing. It's like a fucking alarm clock going off and my dog even gets spooked. People can call this glazing or whatever but all of your videos are calm and reserved while parsing through multiple different topics - and I don't think you get as much credit as you should for communicating in a mature manner. So, thanks Zack. Seriously, thank you for just being a normal gamer.

[@66VNB]

one of the big problems with overwatch is, that it only has a handful of cool or interesting characters. Marvel Rivals is full of cool and interesting characters and the chaos during matches is perfect for a game full of superhero’s. The chaos is super addicting and so is playing the majority of characters in the game.🔥🔥O and this style of game plays better in 3rd person.

[@braintrust02]

So true. All the healers are unfun imo except Ana in ow

[@66VNB]

@@braintrust02 yep. i like ana and moira

[@kyrusxi]

@@braintrust02 I hated playing support in Overwatch, in Rivals I play them as much as any other role. Loki is so much fun

[@doriangrayest]

@@66VNB perfect balance, one that requires aim, brain and mechanics and the other that requires a mousebuton and no brain

[@quinng8207]

I only played lucio cuz he was by far the most fun character to play. But as for rivals I enjoy luna, Jeff and Adam. Have yet to try more cuz 99% of games I end up being healer cuz everyone plays dps

[@RustCohleTX]

I am shocked, shocked! Well... Not that shocked😒😒😒

[@tmdiz4579]

B.. b.. but I thought the hero shooter market was oversaturated!!!!

[@jaczar3304]

love a good futurama quote

[@fubarace1027]

Warcraft did more than take things from Warhammer, the game was made in an attempt to earn some of the rights to Games Workshop's IPs. They didn't get the nod from GW, but saw they didn't get in trouble for selling the game, so they continued copying Games Workshop with Starcraft, 1 and 2, Warcraft 2 3; adding their own story so as to be clear of litigation.

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

StarCraft doesn’t copy 40K. It’s oddly the other way around despite 40K being older. 40K doesn’t really look like StarCraft until after StarCraft. Like you look at the first few editions of the Tyranids and you probably aren’t mistaking them for the Zerg. StarCraft is more taking from Aliens versus Predator and Starship Troopers. It’s basically Blizzard’s Alien vs Predator RTS game with Starship Troopers Power Armor and movie Starship Troopers Arachnids folded into the Xenomorphs. Stuff like the humans being very southern in StarCraft feels like someone at Blizzard was reading Dark Horse Alien comics.

[@fubarace1027]

@@DIOBrando-ij2bp Eldar, Nids, and Imp Guard was the first thing I though when I played that game. But you're right that aliens vs humans is an old trope. Heinlein's Starship Troopers book predates 40k by quite a bit being written in '59, and the movie adaptation sure felt like Imp Guard v Tyranids to me. I played 2nd ed 40k before Starcraft came out (yes I'm ancient), while they weren't 1 for 1, the miniatures were convincing enough to be the inspiration for StarCraft (look at the 2nd ed Hormagaunt model before they were made generic). Particularly when you also looked at Epic 40k and the Armourcraft (precursor to Forgeworld in resin models for 40k) Tyranid resins that were sold back then.

[@eliphas_vlka]

​@@DIOBrando-ij2bpterrans are litteraly copies of spacemarines, even in color code bruh

[@numerablewhom]

Lack of role Q will kill Rivals. It's fine now with plenty of friends to play with, but losing match after match because 3-5 people go dps gets old. All the tanks and healers will go back to ow and leave Rivals to die. It gets even worse because you end up with all tanks and healers on a team, with no one knowing how to play dps.

[@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375]

Role queue didn't help OW, surely it will help Rivals...

[@numerablewhom]

@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375 It actually did and isn't what is killing ow. lol.

[@RX-93-2]

​@numerablewhom it actually didn't. I've been there from the beginning.

[@numerablewhom]

@RX-93-2 "It actually didn't", in other words, you play dps.

[@RX-93-2]

@numerablewhom tank main actually

[@brodisnider4115]

This game is kinda just farming off 5 years of bad decisions from overwatch, many of these players are just overwatch players who are fed up. Plus its grabbing a bunch of players from the marvel fanbase.

[@96Logan]

My only gripe with Marvel Rivals is forced bot matches after too many losses in a row. Specifically in my case when I look through my match history, I have never gotten more than 5 losses in a row... Because after 4 matches the game will secretly put me against bots. It's a clear pattern. I don't want the game to do that. If the game feels easy or it feels like bots, go into your match history and try to view the profiles of the enemy team. If you can't, they are bots. It says something like "This player's career is put on private." Yeah. Sure. Coincidentally all 6 enemy players have privated profiles during a game where we completely stomped in around 8 minutes after a 4 game loss streak. 😂

[@ApsmneShsbshu]

Is sbmm in the game?

[@juvenileygo]

So you want more lose streak?

[@PnB_Menace]

They like you suck bro

[@lobsterparty72]

Tell me your a masochist without telling me your a masochist

[@96Logan]

@@PnB_Menace It happens to everybody. Look at your match history. I'm not the first one to talk about this and I didn't believe it until I looked into it myself

[@kaialsh4321]

I have meant to quit OW for years now. But i never found a similar game that scratched that etch for me. Now i found it, and im hooked.

[@hiiambarney4489]

OW was the easiest quit of my entire life. At least when OW 2 released.

[@Katniss0000]

ow was one of my most played game then Valorant then this. OW is so easy to quit because of Doomfist was released. Only dps have fun in that game. OW gameplay will be S tier in a MMO setting but not in 5v5. i will play it again if it become PVE against Goblins, Dragons in a dungeon/ open world.

[@marcusliviussalinator5529]

From what I've noticed, forcing a competitive scene into every RTS has almost killed the genre. Maybe, just maybe, turning even this game into yet another ‘sweat fiesta’ isn't the right move, because toxicity, ‘unfair’ matchmaking and forced meta are all part of the package and I'm pretty sure more than half the people who have been following the Marvel Universe just want to play and enjoy a game with their favourite superheroes.

[@Kumml]

The sad thing is, analysts will blame the success on the brand IP, instead of the primary reasons

[@echirdo]

Thing is, in marvelrivals there's seasonal bonusses for characters so some seasons its better to play hulk because his teamup includes an extra 150HP and other seasons might be better to play groot for example. This makes it easy to switch up balancing through seasons

[@cqbguy851]

Jeff the shark capitalized on the baby shark song, which like it or not had a very positive reception. Jeff the shark is, at least to me, obviously modeled in a similar way. It's nostalgic, silly, and OP in game. Every character in this game has it own existing fan base/nostalgic love and are all existing IPs. It's so simple to tell the natural draw to this, the original video is missing the forest for the trees.

[@grandmarshaljeromial5174]

Its an actual marvel character tho its the pet of gwenpool

[@Hajile_Ibushi]

14:38 Did they seriously make a splatoon game for jeff?! I've just been playing the standard QP, didn't know there was a different game mode.

[@LiaVanRevolution]

It got added yesterday as part of the winter event

[@Itzmebryy]

buying skins where i can see my skin in third person rather first person

[@darkmirror21]

The lattice currency is basically a way to make sure that you cannot refund the actual monetary amount after you used it. Haven't really seen it but I bet it'd say somewhere that you cannot refund lattice once you convert it to another currency. It's basically to protect themselves from people wanting constant refunds and not annoy their payment processor. Steam uses a similar trick with steam wallet because if you noticed, you don't get the money back. It goes back to your steam wallet from refunds. So it isn't weird. That's just normal (something i wish ff mogstation uses because it's frustrating to see people get constant refunds and force refunds through fraud and SE are the ones getting shafted)

[@joytest8224]

The free skins are not enough Overwatch, your marketing teams stranglehold on all the better detailed cosmetics is unfun if not sinister and everyone is tired of your company because of things like this. Please go away and sell your IP. sincerely, a player who supported OW1 and OW2 since both launch's a player who believed the lies a player who invested money as well as time

[@pedroromano5978]

In a way, the Blizzard guy admitted that Widowmaker is a Black Widow knockoff.

[@elryu2154]

people are ez to forget, when OW got lunched at first everyone and his mother was playing it and it even won goty that year, the point is people lose interest

[@josh6689]

not to mention people are overlooking netease who are known for being scumbags when it comes to being cash hungry

[@Og_paine]

I played OW once like 3 matches and never liked it. Marvel rivals I can't stop playing it

[@ZevixyGaming]

Yea but blizzard let goats meta go on for too long and it killed the game. Rivals might take the same path if they dont start nerfing people

[@Og_paine]

@@ZevixyGaming they dont need to nurf any one some just need a small buff

[@dudebruh8534]

People lose interest in bad games specifically. TF2 is like a decade old and it''s still popular. Overwatch just kept changing and making it worse.

[@MrPangahas]

If theyre smart about it,they should be already working on a PVEmode like OV2 promised and never delivered.That could keep players interested for when the hype dies. Meanwhile for Blizzard the best way to get back at it is to ditch OV2,make a new game like HOTS and bring in all their franchise characters and bring back OV1 mechanics and format.

[@riatorex8722]

Oh Lord not another game like HotS lmao. I mean, when was the last time that game got new content? Like, *major* one?

[@MrPangahas]

@@riatorex8722 I mean like combine all their IP characters in a hero shooter to compete with Rivals.OV2 is a lost cause, thats the only way I can think of for them to match with what Rivals is doing.If they dont do anything their major IPs like Diablo will be dead coz people have better alternatives like POE2 and now Rivals

[@maidsiku4139]

The premium currency is mainly used for the Battlepass, not to convert it into the other currency. In fact, I think this is the main reason why they have 2 different currencies.

[@ktk3487]

Also, having so many alphas, betas, and showing the changes of the game with streamers and KZbinrs being able to show it help it a lot. Like unless you didn't want spoilers, you could see what kind of game it was.

[@Spankmepink]

Deadlock isn't a hero shooter, its a moba.

[@tooitchy]

Ya, i installed it expecting a hero shooter, and found a moba. Because it's a moba I've been hesitant to play it, but I can't say i'm not intrigued

[@doriangrayest]

I play shooters and mobas, I suck at both. I have never fed so much in a game before playing deadlock

[@Spankmepink]

@@doriangrayest Same :D I have to drink before playing deadlock to deal with it.

[@hiiambarney4489]

It's not that bad. You can get a ton of gold in Farming, I just dislike re-learning item builds every 5 business days so I dropped it until it's in a better, more stable state.

[@dubiumguy]

One of the huge advantages Marvel Rivals has over other hero shooters is that they don't have to come up with characters from scratch. Marvel has already done the hard work for them with hundreds of awesome already fleshed out characters they could pull from. Okay what characters we missing? Well why don't we add Captain Marvel, Blade, or Doctor Doom? Maybe we could add the whole Fantastic Four characters set at the same time! Since they already know what the characters look like and what their comic book characters power sets are going to be that will influence what their game abilities will eventually be, then half the work is already done for them which lets them churn out new characters at a faster rate.

[@Elion-c8t]

It's just the trend game. Marvel boomers are unironically getting mad at ANYONE who says "They should balance the game a bit better" 💀 That's the stuff that kills games

[@FnD4212]

Maybe they have to git gud.

[@stratum42]

You can change Heroes mid match, and as many times as you like to rebalance teams. Also there is a casual mode and the devs refuse to lock teams to requiring specific team builds in defense that they want everyone to be able to play as whoever they want. All characters are unlocked and have no abilities locked behind experience points or levels. The animation and art style is also great, and with the idea that passes are always accessible this game won't be losing steam for a while as long as they keep bringing in new maps and heroes. There is some form of Meta characters already, however none of them can stand alone and all can easily be countered.

[@TheNPC_]

"It is only fair if we steal, but not when other companies steal from us." - Mike probably Meanwhile we have Tracer being conceptually identical to Scout from TF2. Mercy is LITERALLY Medic. Pharah is literally Soldier, down to the rocket jump tech being almost the same. Torbjörn is literally Engineer before they reworked Torbjörn. Sombra is very similar to Spy. Windowmaker is quite literally Sniper, down to the exact same sniping mechanic of where she needs to be scoped for a bit to get her full damage. She is just a bit more mobile. Junkrat = Demoman. Only Heavy and Pyro weren't straight up copied from TF2. Good job Mike, you truly defended that poor indie company Blizzard. To be honest, they haven't released anything Triple-A worthy in a while so we might as well start saying it unsarcastically.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Lmao

[@code066funkinbird3]

It's hilarious to say it tho

[@code066funkinbird3]

Window maker is from italy or paris maybe and her traits as a ballerina dancer and a high tech assassin she foghter style are offen on long range combat her rifle can turn into a submachine when not scooped while its turns as a sniper rifle when used as a scooped aim her only mobility is her grabbing hook and her only defense is that she only a spider posion mind to damage enemy when it gets too close since , once she got hit on any direction she not having a great time eother its a tank , dps or another dps , besides she also extra sexy hot While sniper despite being grown up and apdopt in country of Australian and his english accent make it sense why he sound like that , his combat style is fine for both long range and close range even melee , his long range weapony can be a sniper rifle or a bow , while had a machine gun for qn option when desperate in close quarters or his melee weapon is a machetes and kukri knife and a jar of piss when its needed necessary, in game he feels like an actual sniper instead one of those crappy cod moments only problem you hwve much of mobility when escaping when enemy is too close to you . While for spy and sombra they quite the same despite being different , one is dressup like in cyberpunk character from Brazil while other had a good passion style besides being old fashioned with a mask and he from French , one is specifically for hacking enemies health , turrets and the others is engineer gadgets , but in terms of combat for sombra is not much she has a mini uzi but dosent do much of a damage against tank but well rounded against dps , while her ult skill she explose but you gonna have to fill it by shooting at people while spy can sneak up behind enemy whenever when its a tank or a supp or a dps its hits truly critical damage while his weaponry of his choose are butterfly knife , or kunai or even a icespike .

[@TheNPC_]

@@code066funkinbird3 When I reference the TF2 characters, I am talking about the base kits, not the weapons they received in later updates. Sniper was basically dead meat if he didn't get into a good sniping position, really not much different from Widow. Sombra and Spy's ability to disrupt the enemies is the similarities. Sombra being able to hack turrets to distrupt defenses or use her ultimate to cause chaos is basically the exact same gameplay that Spy strives for. Just because they go about it in different ways doesn't mean they aren't basically the same thematically.

[@code066funkinbird3]

@@TheNPC_ ok

[@ChrispyCreme99]

Characters in ow have no identity. All the dps are slowly becoming identical, hanzo cant 1 shot headshot with a fully charged bow anymore, tracers ult gets hard countered by every player above gold/silver. Its a joke to play overwatch now.

[@Katniss0000]

I quit the game because of Doomfist. so annoying. I don't know if it got nerfed. the only path of overwatch is a MMORPG game using their Tank, Dps, Support gameplay in a open world against monsters. no amount of fixing will make players comeback if it is still a 5v5 game.

[@matdan2]

How are Junkrat and Genji the same, for example? I’m bored of the game too but you don’t have to invent made up narratives

[@LordHydra0]

My only complaint is that rivals is plagued with bots, and they're trying to keep the bots super hidden unless you get the codes to watch the bots playback.

[@theguardianwolf7206]

Well not really. People who sent in replay codes of bots memed content creators by playing the vs ai game mode

[@theguardianwolf7206]

And have u seen low rank replays of bronze/silver in OW 2? U could call people bots but some people are actually that bad and considered its f2p on console dont be surprised if u get 10 year olds on ur team that cant operate a controller

[@LordHydra0]

@@theguardianwolf7206 No, actually research it a bit. We know the naming convention the bots are using. You're just talking to talk, so congrats I'm sure you think you know what you're talking about.

[@12tranoke51]

Marvel Rivals has 400k on steam alone, on console its probably in millions

[@Morfe02]

20 millions they say Im playing with Epic games so i Guess they didnt lie about

[@Motgenror]

No Build was introduced not because the skill gap was too big, but because a lot of people didn't like building. It's a weird out of place mechanic in a shooter.

[@gentlelight8758]

2:55 generally competitive games like this last much longer than most games. For those dedicated to the game, there is always room for improvement no matter how good you get. For the casual player, it's a game you just pick with your friends.

[@NeoN-PeoN]

They did the SMART move. They used the LEGACY Marvel characters, not the new, DEI and M-SHE-U characters.

[@tobluetoblack]

Overwatch about its fans: "You turned them against me! Marvel Rivals: "You have done that yourself."

[@yopot37]

so it's not rivals now

[@AimbotFreak]

It's not competitive players but the losers who cope. Role queue was the worst thing that happened to Overwatch. Marvel rivals does it better.

[@DoubleXP-u1g]

there's no coping, just misinformation. non-role queue is in still in OW, but role queue has more players. people somehow forget just how much people complained about not having enough healers and tanks. Asmon even says no one dies in OW, which just isn't true. OW made a lot of mistakes but hardly anyone talks about them and instead makes stuff up.

[@hiiambarney4489]

@@DoubleXP-u1g Ikr? If stuff doesn't die in Overwatch, it's because you are shooting a Rein Shield as Ana or something. Role Queue was a godsent when it released. And it will come to Rivals, simply by nature of the type of people who are playing this game, just watch.

[@DoubleXP-u1g]

​@@hiiambarney4489 yeah people have this weird paranoia for role queue in Rivals. if Rivals has both modes, they'll have nothing to fear if they genuinely believe non-role queue is somehow more popular. it'll come for sure.

[@AimbotFreak]

@@DoubleXP-u1g There's only coping. No one said there wasn't open queue. The sole reason more people are in role queue is because of pure cope. Same with 6v6 vs 5v5 coping. The game didn't improve it got worse, because 6dps's were never an actual problem, the problem was anything but dps sucked, whenever they didn't suck they would be op and nerfed into the ground. It has always been a fundamental design flaw of the game and role queue just made it worse because it only pigeonholed the other roles into it.

[@DoubleXP-u1g]

@@AimbotFreak how many hrs in OW do you have and what rank are you

[@Circumsoldier]

the hype behind it will be tied to movies, then to character releases concurrent with the movies, then it will be battlepass stuff that already making in universe refrences, so the fan service alone is enough to keep this game alive for a while

[@fungithefungi3331]

I´m actually a bit shocked because the game genuinely is much worse than overwatch in gameplay terms. Bloated kits, unbalanced onesided matches and boring tanks. The only pro i can come up with is the quetimes but I rather have a deathmatch in-between anyway