ASOIAF THEORY-- Shade of the Evening and The Black Oily Stone

[@TheDisputedLands]

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[@alexv3357]

The frequency of worm and tunnel references in this franchise has me paranoid. Sort of like Gandalf after returning from the Balrog: "Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day."

[@ishubetterthanyou1582]

It's insane how this find is not mainstream. I searched for many videos and very few with good fews can be found. This video is veeery good.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Thank you!

[@coyotegaxiola4281]

Black wood petrifies into black stone. Oh, snap. You just blew my mind with that! Well done, Disputed Lands!

[@clare9621]

This was a good theory and only mildly terrifying until I remembered how Melisandre mentioned that the Iron Born worship a demon, and how the wierwood are called demons over and over and over. AND how Melisandre looks at Patchface and seems to think he is also a demon of some kind. If only we’d actually gotten all the parts of the world of Ice and Fire that had actually been written. *sigh*

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

that wouldn't have helped all the knowledge we have has been altered by the mastars or just straight up lies

[@tessaricha]

Melisandre has alot of misinterpretation. I think she misinterprets it. Jacquen calls a weirwood tree a Fire God in the second book at Harrenhall. Also, maybe the dragon glass is leaves of a stone turned weirwood tree, probably that's why it is referred to as frozen fire.

[@jamesperkins191]

The Grey King - Ironborn hero and probably flat-up a fucking White Walker slew Ygg, the flesh-eating Demon Tree. They might both be Demons but they are clearly separate factions.

[@djgregus]

This is brilliant. I've been following GoT lore for years and I've never heard this theory before, but in hindsight it makes perfect sense.

[@TheDisputedLands]

@@djgregus welcome! My valyrian steel video is a great companion to this video! Thanks for watching!

[@GWinterbornYT]

I like how this comes together, even though it’s a little different from what I suspect the oily black stone to be. My main issue with the idea that the oily black stone is petrified shade of the evening wood is the description of the blocks of stone that make up the ruins of Yeen. They’re described as so large that it’d take a dozen elephants to move them. Where would they get blocks of shade of the evening that large? Neither tree is described as being able to be that large, that I recall. That’s the thing that makes me skeptical that they could be made of petrified wood. For now, I suspect the oily black stone is what happens when Dragonstone decays, releasing some kind of cursed substance indicative of the unnatural, cursed nature of dragons and dragon related technology as a whole. I think Asshai and Yeen, as well as a few other places, were very ancient settlements of pre-Valyrian dragonriders, as either precursors or descendant off-shoots of the Dawn Empire. I feel like it might point to how the magic/technology of man-made/unnatural things is cursed, and all of these societies fall into ruin. The shade of the evening trees may be what happens when the influence of man-like force feeding the white trees human blood and abusing the green sight-corrupts a Weirwood network, turning it so black it eats light and released toxic oils, just like decayed dragon stone. Shade of the Evening is corrupted Weirwood paste, by this logic. I think making the blocks at Yeen cubes may have been a stylistic choice, and the cubes were molded where they lay, being so impractical to move. Edit: I wanted to add it might also be the other way around, if my suspicion is on the right track. That is to say, weirwoods might actually be the contaminated version of shade of the evening trees, since they’re the ones that have seemingly suffered the most abuses of the mechanisms of men.

[@jamesperkins191]

Plastic, obsidian, or Black Basalt

[@Detheroc420]

Remember when the 3 eyed raven was trying to get bran to fly in the dream, when bran looked down he saw thousands of corpses impaled on the large icicles. In my opinion the 3 eyed raven doesnt know exactly who hes looking for, he just throws out a big net trying to wrangle and find as many greenseer potentials as possible. I think Euron was once a candidate because of how magically inclined he seems to be, he just never had his 3 eyed opened and couldnt fly hence he crashed down and was impaled in his dream and the 3 eyed raven moved on. That's way he tells his brother he used to dream of being able to fly, and that maybe he actually could. So euron could have been a greenseer and still has some of its potential powers.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Euron might be a Skinchanger too.

[@SyS591]

So Euron can also be trained by someone like Blood raven but powered by black tree 😮. That fits the time and place with his exile.

[@NotYurAverageJoe]

I straight up laughed my ass off when you put up the image of Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean 😂

[@AndyWilson22]

Very intriguing, Weirwoods are already so strange, and these inverted black trees boggle my minds.

[@cherylbaxterstormborn477]

Andy Wilson How come we have never seen them in the show the black Weirwoods or black stone as I don't remember seeing them only the white Weirwoods

[@skizzik121]

@@cherylbaxterstormborn477 because the show after they ran out of George's stuff to use became a disgusting garbage fire of pig vomit and cow shit wrapped in dog entrails

[@sophiawilson8696]

@@cherylbaxterstormborn477 the show is like ice cube, compare to books is an iceberg. They show the warlock with blue lips and the wizard who took Danny dragons, but that's about it.

[@johnmitchell4043]

What about the golden heart trees from the of the summer ilses! I imagine they have silver leaves

[@blainedelaune2172]

Just when I thought I hit the bottom of rabbit holes in this epic story, you pull the rug from under me.....thank you

[@jaywa3363]

Excellent. I had never considered ironwood could he the "living" version of the oily black stone, but it does sound right. Well done!!

[@devinschaftari3169]

Great theory! Good job on the research. Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.-Bloodraven to Bran ADWD Especially like the idea of the weirwood roots appearing as krakens or worms/serpents. It really does fit with a lot of things GRRM hints at in the story.

[@Ring3R]

Totally missed this video back in the day! Had no idea anyone had theorized this before....as usual, you're way ahead of the game.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Ring3R]

​@@TheDisputedLands Going back and watching all your stuff now. The only one I'd seen prior was the "dothraki sea" vid where you posited that the middle of essos was actually underwater prior. I think that one only got recommended to me cuz I like graham hancock.

[@zacharygrinacoff9543]

Awesome first episode! I’ve always looked at the weirwoods and shade trees as an inversion of one another but always wondered if the “ebony” that we see in the door at the house of black and white was in fact made from ebony, or from the shade trees. I was always of the opinion that unlike the weirwoods, the shade trees do not petrify, but rather rot or “turn to dust.” If that’s not the case then I can definitely see the connection between the oily black stone and shade trees playing out. It makes sense then that we see for instance on the iron islands, both the sea stone chair and naggas ribs in such close proximity to one another. As if they are not separate but closely intertwined. Take the kingsmoot, an almost democratic process by which the lords of the iron islands gather at naggas ribs to select a king who will sit the sea stone chair. Very intriguing material. Really excited for future episodes and discussion!

[@TheDisputedLands]

I will actually be doing a video on Nagga later on!! The Ironborn stuff is some of my favorite to dig into.

[@zacharygrinacoff9543]

Hey, LML. I actually just joined twitter a few weeks ago but haven't really done much with it yet, except for occasionally check the feed lol. I'll eventually have to get more involved there, but I happened to stumble on your link to the video, so thank you. Lookin forward to the next release and live QnA!

[@zacharygrinacoff9543]

That's awesome! I can't wait to listen. The Ironborn chapters are also some of my favorites.

[@bryantaylor9874]

Zachary Grinacoff Interesting idea that it's the source of the ebony at the Faceless temple. I don't think it fits beyond a superficial level, but it's always nice reading original ideas, and it def could turn out that you're right. Can't recall where I heard this, but there's a somewhat convincing theory the Nagas bones are actually weirwood, and it's so old it's petrified at a level seen nowhere else. Although the tree on Blackwood land, the poisoned dead tree, is described to be at the early stages of becoming petrified similar to Nagas bones. Not sure if this theory is correct but it's far from a longshot.

[@poseidonc1259]

Valyrian Steel (which is described as dark or grey) = Petrified Ebony-Black Wierwood Tree material + bathed in Magical Dragon Fire (+ perhaps blood-magic sacrifice). The Swords & armour of The Others = Petrified White Wierwood Tree + bathed in Magical Ice Dragon Ice breath (+ perhaps blood magic sacrifice). This is all just a theory. But nobody knows how to make Valyrian Steel because it just is not steel! It’s Petrified Wierwood material! Plus, it makes it a great symbol for fiery sword symbolism. The Wierwoods are the symbolic *Fire of The Gods* in this story. I think I remember there being a vision or dream that Bran has about someone firing Wierwood arrows. So we know that it can be weaponized!

[@TheDisputedLands]

So you are actually catching onto something that both LmL and I have discussed on Twitter in the past. The possibility that the trees are part of the ingredients for Valyrian steel. I think in one instance Valyrian steel is also said to drink light. Its also possible Dawn may actually be created through the use of weirwood. We have seen a few things used in sigils that also support this concept, particularly House Forrester. www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=I3YSlkDH&id=298A290B4549769420D04F1437D281E763D5E20D&thid=OIP.hWhlqrwWuO2BknraO2OVQAHaI6&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fawoiaf.westeros.org%2fimages%2ff%2ff6%2fHouse_Forrester.png&exph=659&expw=548&q=house+forrester&simid=608052154707869778&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

[@poseidonc1259]

The Disputed Lands Thank you very much for taking the time to share this! & for your hard work analyzing GRRM’s great work!

[@elyseenger2646]

@@TheDisputedLands There is also a theory that the black and white trees are inverse images of each other. The inspiration of these trees comes from the Kabbalah. According to sources from this mystical knowledge, the tree of knowledge and the tree of immortality are like this. So the trees that the Shade of the Evening come from has the potential to grant immortality, while the weirwood network grant knowledge. Now if we see the motifs of the Garden of Eden in ASOIAF, the children of the forest who drank of the Light of the Morning gained knowledge, but at the cost of shortened lifespans. These who drank the shade of the evening gained immortality, but at the price of stagnating. Now could I be on to something?

[@jsull81]

@@elyseenger2646 I definitely think so!

[@elyseenger2646]

@@jsull81 It would also explain the story of the God-Emperors of the Dawn, and The Bloodstone Emperor's actions if the GEOTD was stagnating because there was a widespread practice of drinking shade of the evening among the nobles and the royal family. I can see the parallels between the Bloodstone Emperor and Leto II Atreides in that vein. Both took harsh, decisive steps to keep humanity alive, even if it meant driving people out of their native land into unknown terrain.

[@fenyx6573]

When ever I feel like going back through a topic in ASOIAF, I know you are one of the few I can count on. Your observations and connections resonate with a lot of my own. Great stuff!

[@TheBrett1890]

THIS IS SUCH AN INTERESTING VIDEO! It makes so much sense. Like, some of the cities we know about are stone, others are wood. But the thing about stone is that you have to mine it. Where would these people be getting this oily black stone from unless part of the earth is made from it? It could come from the sky but I doubt there would be enough from the sky for full cities. But a wood city, that over the years turned to stone, or a wood throne that was carved and then eventually turned to stone: that makes sense.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Thank you ser!

[@TammyJerkChicken]

I come over from the stream you did with LML from your short summary I knew I had to heard more! I love your ideas, i never thought too much about the Shade Trees much past the taste I have to re read the forsaken chapter again now. Thank you for the video

[@aliamasood5708]

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[@seanmayory]

Question. If you made a wine out of the black/blue trees and called it "shade of the evening." What if you made a wine of the white/red trees be called? Light of the Morning? What would it look like? If some one in the story WAS drinking a wine made with weirwood sap, what sort of effect so you think it would have? Honestly. How this question and the evidence in the book regarding it has never been questioned is beyond me.

[@SomethingImpromptu]

Presumably it would be very similar to the Weirwood paste that Bloodraven and the Children give Bran, except brewed to be alcoholic, and without Jojen in it. : )

[@qlutch5306]

Light of dawn

[@LuvLee296]

Tequila sunrise

[@jacquelinehemmings4515]

I always thought that the scene where Bran eats the weirwood paste and the one where Dany drinks the Shade of the Evening, both have a very strong Alice in Wonderland vibe. I love watching you on LML, but I have fallen a bit behind on his videos unfortunately. This is an excellent video.

[@KtownMisfit1975]

I could listen to you read a phone book, thanks for all that you do for us.❤❤❤

[@profofthrones]

Fantastic first video! Welcome to the GOT/ASOIAF KZbin community. It's great to see other newcomers like myself. Can't wait for your next video.

[@TheDisputedLands]

So glad you enjoyed it. Thanks so much!!

[@joaoluisferreira6312]

Horray! A new ASOIAF channel to follow! Kisses and good luck from Portugal!

[@alexv3357]

"I am the Blood Maegi, I speak for the trees."

[@EvilArtifact]

I love this video. If the theory is correct, it dramatically simplifies a huge branch of "oily stone" speculation into an easily understood package that further reinforces the duality of A Song of Ice and Fire. As the community has gotten better at decoding GRRM's symbolism and indirect references, it seems like a lot of theory-crafting results in "more complexity!", but I suspect that a truly elegant interpretation of ASoIaF will flow from the elegant simplicity of work like this. Thank you!

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hi Chris! So glad you were able to take something away from it, I really enjoy comments like this. They make my day!! I am still a small channel, so be sure to spread the word.

[@LNGD_46]

God..! You liked all of your comments.

[@TheDisputedLands]

But yours i pinned😉

[@LNGD_46]

@@TheDisputedLands The Disputed Lands & Preston Jacobs are my favorite. Keep up the good work.

[@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr]

That's fan-service!

[@freckles0829]

@@TheDisputedLands It's very refreshing to see a content creator extensively engage with her followers! The extra effort is duly noted and very appreciated...from "word of mouth" alone, I'm sure your subscriber count is bout to take off...up, up and away 🚀😂😉 Congratulations Amanda...your thoroughly researched, visually entertaining and creatively narrated videos are top notch...keep up the good work 👍👍👍

[@thareinpotuhera5255]

There is a perfectly good road which seems to lead from Qohor to Valyria via Volantis.

[@TWard-je6mr]

I've been looking for a new asoiaf channel to binge. Now I have found one, thank you!

[@Tinkerbe11]

It's also interesting, that the weirwoods, which grow rather in the north where the white walkers come from - have red leaves - the color of fire, while the shade of evening trees, which rather grow where the dragons come from have blue leaves - the color of ice.

[@MotherofMunch]

Very aesthetic

[@rustedrevolver6517]

Love this! Great job! I had read your essay before but it had been a while. I really like the oily aspect considering the significance of fire and water in the series. Seems like there's potential for good symbolism there. Also, "Your smith must be Rhoynish" is a quote I reference whenever possible so I say it now. Looking forward to the next video!

[@amq5175]

The quality of these videos are amazing! Waiting for your next video ☺️

[@ferniek5000]

You are noticing things no one else does. Another great video.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hey thanks so much and thank you for the compliment!

[@martinmcguinness5742]

The point wirh the petrified wood blew my mind. Never subscribed so promptly. Thank you for the video

[@valerie93_]

Found my way here after someone recommended you in the History of Westeros Facebook group. Excellent theory, have a subscription :)

[@TheDisputedLands]

Great to hear! Welcome to the Disputed Lands and thanks for watching!!!!

[@jojoladydayne7311]

your video is fantastic - it's so refreshing to see a more in depth analysis of the symbolism rather than just show theory rubbish - thankyou for that - would you mind if I share this on the facebook group for those who enjoy a deeper dive - keep up the great work

[@peterfontaine2057]

not if i share it first ;-)

[@roddammit5510]

You should definitely check out Lucifer means Lightbringer while your on you tube and check out his website. He has a ton of videos and theories revolving around astrological symbolism. Him and AltShiftX make probably the best videos for GOT content.

[@jojoladydayne7311]

rod dammit - thankyou yes I'm already a fan! 💜

[@cordicatuk]

Amanda this is just great . You are very, very smart and insightful . You will be added to my favourites list which includes Robert Gemma LML and of course darling Kyle and George , I will be looking out for more of your brilliant content and thankyou so much to Robert for introducing me to your channel

[@otda3675]

Going back watching some of your old videos.......soooooo good 😁👍

[@christine6615]

Found you from the LML Bael stream; and I’m pretty sure you’re one of my new favorite content creators. Please keep it coming! 🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@TheDisputedLands]

Thanks Christine! I'm going to be doing a video on Nagga next. Thanks for watching and check out the video on Garth and the Grey King that was put out a few days back. Its a long one but deals with most of the stuff discussed on the Bael livestream. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5jUl6Swrtx7fNk

[@nh5264]

You have completely convinced me. I've heard a lot of theories. but the trees really do seem like they are the answer to a lot of oddities in asoiaf

[@calikal1968]

Hi Amanda! Such delightful first video!!! Keep them coming... soon!!! XD Thank you for having decided to make this new channel!!

[@alysaneblackwood]

Congrats on the new channel. Great delivery on a fascinating topic, I can't wait for the next episode!!

[@79klkw]

This is a truly brilliant video, and perspective about weirwood, shade of the evening, oily stones, its inspiring!

[@TheDisputedLands]

Thank you so much!

[@RizztrainingOrder]

Love your infinitely interesting analyses, very articulate and informative. Very soft, clear, and concise voice is just a plus! Keep up the great work.

[@shivavereen3222]

That was an interesting, intense, and eye opening tutorial. Thank you.

[@TheDisputedLands]

You are very welcome!

[@C-White-88]

This is one of my favorite channels that covers ASOIAF and this is my favorite video I came back and watched this half a dozen times. Everyone else pretty much talks about the same things but this channel covers thing I never saw anyone else talk about.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Thank you so much!

[@C-White-88]

@@TheDisputedLands Your most welcome.

[@C-White-88]

@@TheDisputedLands there's a KZbin channel called David reads ASOIAF he reads all the books from ASOIAF each book in a separate playlist with each chapter a video in each playlist and does a amazing job reading the story doing different voices for each character. Everyone I talk to in the comments I recommend your channel for some of the best ASOIAF content.

[@anthonyappleyard5688]

I used to imagine that the oily black stone was oil source rock like in an oilfield. When they find how to get the oil out of it, Westeros/etc goes into an industrial age.

[@brainworm232]

Two things I find fascinating here: 1) Weirtrees roots most likely form an (almost) worldwide net underground. It is understandable, because how else would Brinden or Bran be able to stay far north and still watch through the eyes of weirtrees all around westeros and beyond. The same thing probably applies to those mysterious black trees as well. So we have a strong root systems underground and - likely - under the sea. But what else often goes underground and under the sea? Dead people. I don't remember quite well how different cultures in ASOIAF world buried their dead, but I am sure a lot of them do physically bury bodies in the ground. Or drop them into the sea, for that matter. Next, we know that weirwoods' sap is red, much like blood. And some argue that blood it is indeed, considering the amount of sacrifices made by the First People (and mb Wood Walkers/Children of the Forest as well?). But from my perspective it's unlikely that weirtrees and their cousins feed exclusively on sacrifices - that'd be more of a liability, since sacrifices are quite inconsistent in the long run. Dead bodies of all living things, including people, seem to me like a better option. In the end this is how everything in nature works: dead bodies decompose and make nutrients for plants. Only in this case these probably aren't just nutrients, but the essence of a creature itself, a soul, if it is a correct way to call it in ASOIAF. This might bring us back to Patchface telling Euron that only worms (roots) await him. Or the fact, that r'hllorians (can I even call them that???) do not bury, but *burn* their dead and believe that weirtrees are demons. May it be so these creepy primordial beings reffered to as the Old Gods (or weirtrees, as you theorized!) won't claim souls of their loved ones? It's also important in terms of how life and death are bound to magic in ASOIAF. 2) The Old Ones and The Elder Gods were enemies! They fought for the human realm, the elder gods won and trapped the old ones in different dimensions forever. If this is the parrallel GRRM is going for, I am absolutely terrified of what those black trees could actually be capable of.

[@scottie16976]

Congrats on the channel. Really enjoyed the topic. looking forward to seeing more

[@ikilledjohnny7510]

Great video exploring ideas I hadn't considered before. First ASOiAF channel I've seen in a while with original theories and connections. You earned the sub.

[@lynnjohanssen6552]

Speaking of the warlocks drinking shadows...doesnt Mirri Maz Duur make some sort of paste in the tent when she's working her blood magic? When she says the dead will dance here tonight and then Dany sees shadows dancing?

[@lynnjohanssen6552]

I guess it was a red powder then. I'm thinking of when Dany woke up after. "And then mirri maz Duur was there, the maegi, tipping a cup against her lips. She tasted sour milk, and something else, something thick and bitter. Warm liquid ran down her chin. Somehow she swallowed."

[@mackenziemanderly9608]

This is so good (finally committing to watching all of these that are casually referenced in the fandom). Breaks my heart all over again for our real world burning of all the trees.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Glad you are enjoying them! Thanks for watching 🙂

[@jeffreybuss5271]

I’ve been waiting to find a page like yours, love these videos from ASOIAF!

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hey, thank you! Welcome to The Disputed Lands!

[@BeamaBeorhtost]

Have to remember to thank Smokescreen for the recommendation as this was a very interesting and well researched/sourced video. I look forward to many more like this one :-)

[@TheDisputedLands]

Wow, that's great. Did he recommend this video on his channel?

[@BeamaBeorhtost]

The Disputed Lands yes, during his livestream yesterday

[@HereBeDragonsYT]

Cool! You can thank LmL for directing me here. Very interesting. I rarely have time to read, so this format is great. Subd and eagerly waiting for the next one.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hi Steven! thanks for watching! Fun Fact... I sat next to you at the Con of Thrones in the corner for the podcast meet and greet with History of Westeros :-)

[@TheDisputedLands]

We sat next to each other in the corner waiting for the meet and greet to start.

[@HereBeDragonsYT]

The Disputed Lands I bet I recognize you when I see u at CoT this year. You are going right?

[@TheDisputedLands]

I sure am...See you there!

[@arcanics1971]

I heard you on Robert's stream last night and I thought this theory was interesting and definitely possible and sensible but I was not 100% convinced. Having watched this longer explanation and given it a lot more thought I am now convinced you are indeed correct. In fact now that I am convinced I cannot recall what possible reasons for doubt I could have had.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Thanks so much and welcome to The Disputed Lands!!

[@cernunnos_lives]

It's a good thing DIY gene-kits aren't around. Weirwoods are something I would definitely have tried to create. That and fire breathing, midget, beavers... Cute but fierce.

[@nicolehash42]

fresh voice coming out of the disputed lands glad to have another highly entertaining member to our family welcome girl and great vid

[@julianagouveia5047]

Amazing theory! Loved it. What is the music in the background? Where I can find it?

[@QoStoOds]

Oh goodie! A channel to tide me over until s8/TWoW. Seven blessings to you.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Thanks for watching!

[@Anacronian]

"...and molten gold. It was all the tastes she had ever known..." Molten gold? When did Dany taste molten gold, her brother tasted that?

[@TheDisputedLands]

He there! So the line reads "It was all the tastes she has ever known, and none of them" molten gold would be in the "none of them" category.

[@Anacronian]

@@TheDisputedLands Ah ok, Still thinks it's strange to bring up Molten gold in that line :D

[@Anacronian]

@@TheDisputedLands Though you have to wonder how she can identify a taste as "molten gold" when she has never known the taste of it...

[@hecatesdaughter2207]

Marvelous! Thank you. I haven’t had a chance to read the historical books yet, and I love the way you explain things. Very well done.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hey thank you!!

[@made-line7627]

I loved this theory, and hadn't heard it _anywhere_ else (I go everywhere except Reddit). Thankyou for this absolute treasure of a theory and a video. Having said that though, I _need_ those krakens to be legit!

[@redsoxcometh]

Wonderful Debut! Looking forward to future videos. Keep up the great work!

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hey thanks! Go ahead and check the channel page 😁.

[@redsoxcometh]

Thanks! have already seen several now. Love the Ironborn material.@@TheDisputedLands

[@TheDisputedLands]

@@redsoxcometh oh great! Glad you are enjoying them!

[@krakentacos]

So glad someone did a video about these 2 trees...Very good!!! Audio is a bit low...

[@lollicupkate]

I find it interesting that the leaves of the black tree are blue and the weirwood, red. Blood is red and blue depending on whether it is inside or outside the body - the weir mush Bran eats connects him to the outside world, the black tree concoction Dany drinks connects her to her bloodline within.

[@seanmayory]

Ok. Some more random questions. If I were to throw a piece of the black trees, powdered sap or ground wood, do you think it would burn blue or black? What if I did the same with white trees, would it burn red? Now, this may seem like a useless question, but if I saw a green flame, what do you think might make it turn or appear green? If I drink shade is see thing in a dream. If I burned shade, do you think it might have some sort of effect on what I see in the flames? If I did the same with RED sap, what would happen? Do you think if I tossed some red sap powder into a fire I might see visions?

[@1982guevarra]

Adding the comment to see whether you like it 5 years after the videos was released😊 Stumbled on your channel today and binging the videos now, one by one. Apart from Lucifer Lightbringer this is by far the best channel on ASOIAF. Greetings from Poland!

[@TheDisputedLands]

🙂

[@1982guevarra]

You keep an impressive connection with your fandom I see! May your channel grow!

[@blanth.]

Thanks! Very exciting to see a new channel. Very thought provoking and logically presented. Keep up the great work!

[@TheDisputedLands]

Welcome to the Disputed Lands Andrew!! Thanks for watching!!

[@dustinsmith2021]

I asked this question on another channel a while back but it never got answered. Do you think that the vast cave network in planetos was made by a root system of some sort of World Tree?

[@TheDisputedLands]

It is funny that you ask that question. In Valyria, there was said to be Fire Wyrms which no one has actually seen, there are some hints that something similar to large worms caused the underground walkways beneath Castle Black as they are called "Worm Ways" No one has seen these worms either. I think the possibility is there because GRRM has likened ww roots to worms on several occasions. I can't say this is the case, but I can say this has also crossed my mind

[@dustinsmith2021]

The Disputed Lands awesome. Great video btw.

[@dustinsmith2021]

Fire wyrms could be lava channels.

[@TheDisputedLands]

And that is no doubt the most likely the case.

[@dustinsmith2021]

@@TheDisputedLands well fire and blood shed more light on this.

[@PabloAlvestegui]

Excellent first episode and a wonderful topic to start with. Subscribed!

[@akeelbrown7675]

I've noticed your videos have a geographic element to them and I just love it!

[@arnavmushahary1013]

It's a volcanic eruption. 1)volcano smashes Empire of the dawn. 2)ash river turns radioactive. 3)The Saffron sea forms. 4)The shadowlands, literally is a volcanic result. 5)Maybe one of the reasons the asshaii wear masks is because they are disfigured by radioactivity. 6)The cold world temperature helps the others to attack from the grey waste and the lands of always winter.

[@ingalillnydal7678]

And what if the doom of valyria was some kind of volcanic eruption? Could explain why the white walkers are returning

[@aeron8293]

volcanoes aren't radioactive

[@1handedtyper]

In Africa, we have a bird called an ostrich. In South America, we have an offshoot-of-it bird called an emu.

[@kgjones5]

Great video! I’ve always been interested in the connection between these two types of trees. Lots of thought provoking ideas! I’m subscribed and looking forward to your next video!

[@SpydeTJ]

Awesome video, I'm looking forward to watching more! When you talked about Corlys Velaryon going to exploring the carved trees of the Ifequevron, do you think he might've learned some things from them? I think this because his bastard son Addam, went to the Isle of Faces to consult the Green Men during the DotD, so Corlys might've told him the power of sight from the trees.

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hey thanks. It's for sure a possibility and one I hadn't thought of. I mean, Addam is heavily implied to be his son, so he might have shared a few things with him, but for the moment there isn't too much to go off. Great thoughts!

[@jonnya3076]

Congrats on the channel! Always love new content and perspectives. And great 1st topic, look forward to the next with Garth the Greenhand. Also, great video with LML!

[@WhiteSargent]

Excellent! So just to be clear I’ve taken the right inference from this, The Old Gods is the weirwood tree network and one camp of CoF, the Great Other is the black tree network and an essos CoF crew? Or are they both the old gods? In which case, what force is the Great Other?

[@amygodward4472]

Great content! Comprehensive, intellectual and with a great flow ☺ thank God I'm only a year late discovering your channel. Subscribed!

[@TheDisputedLands]

Glad to hear and welcome to The Disputed Lands!

[@emiliocamachoerice6380]

I loved your replys to my questions on the last stream

[@faze_buendia9514]

I wonder if these snake things could be what infested the Princess Aerea (? Maynkt be her correct name) she was Maegor the Cruel's heir and had a twin sister, she stole Balerion and was gone for a year. When Nalerion finally brought her back he had a huge gash on his side and she wss burning up, she eventually dies and a ton of worms spill out of her body into the bathtub she died in. The water killed the worms but wtf and what couldve been big enough to give Balerion the Black Dread such a wound?

[@rcmartins]

Congratz for the excellent ASOIAF lore video! Already subscribed and looking for more content! Love from Brazil!

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hey thanks!

[@prof.cecilycogsworth3204]

I'm looking forward to the next video. Great work.

[@bAmMoD216]

Love this video , gives so much to that yin and yang of this story.

[@dratheart]

That was really awesome and well thought out! Your theories and methods remind me of "The Order of The Greenhand" channel - you should totally show them your work and do a co-op video! Lord and Lady Greenhand are VERY nice and VERY smart and I'm sure they'd be supportive of your work; maybe it could help you get more subscribers. Do you have a Patreon page?

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hi Dratheart, thanks for your feedback. I am glad you are liking the videos, and there will be future collaborations with other content creators. I do not have any plans with Order of the Greenhand, but appreciate the feedback. For the moment I don't plan on having a Patreon. Instead I urge you to support those channels and content creators you enjoy that do have a patreon… Order of The Greenhand for example if you enjoy them, make sure to support them. Thanks for watching!

[@dovekin5436]

Great job! Looking forward to your future videos.

[@jwetzel9112]

Just found your channel amanda... really enjoying your content thus far!

[@auntmaddie]

WoW! You are truly next level insightful to GRRM's writing style and aren't afraid to cal a red herring. Instead you use facts, patterns, logic and serious intuition. I was fortunate to be gifted Got whilst on bed rest pregnancy with my first, sweet baby...I'm not only a fan, I have chunks of my entire 'adult' life in this series and really I can't stress your sheer brilliance. I'm about to ask the *only* questions I ever have regarding the series (book and TV)... what are your thoughts about the iron wood door(s) that seal the deceased Kings of the North (Lyanna notwithstanding) and altho a pale weirwood any thoughts on Ygg? Your channel appeared in my suggested this eve...and I'm hooked! By the old gods and the new, I thought that damned door had a purpose or reason (subplot/ending) of its very own. I haven't touched the books I'm quite some time ... it's not like I've been waiting 20 years for an ending. Jeez! One would think the man signed a contract or three to get these books out! LoL! I'm in awe of not only the nuances you pick up, you're ability to state and reason them so succinctly...Just wow! Sure hope you plan to be on YT a very long time. Really having something new and exciting at this point in the Game? I adore how you ever so slightly your reading parts and pieces from your narratives. Effortless to follow and a lovely voice also. I hope the manager is in Ms. Lands has receipts no request needed. All the best to you, your channel. Keep up the incredible work! Oh! I subbed. I so subbed! The HPL catches, etc... you had me at the oily black stones being petrified dark word! Genuinely surprised, impressed and thrilled! OMG! Sorry this got too long, but dang! It just got exciting again. ❄️🔥

[@TheDisputedLands]

Hey Downy, thank you so much for those kind words! So here are my thoughts on the Ironwood tree and this is purely speculative. I believe the author had initially wanted the Ironwoods to be the black magical tree. If you look at how Ironwoods are used, this tree is mentioned a total of nine times in the first book of the series.. twice In the prologue alone. Now in the rest of the series Ironwood is only mentioned three other times in all four other books combined. If you look at the theories on the Ironwoods out there in the forums, many people believe the Ironwood tree and the Shade Tree are the same tree. I don't think this is the case. But instead I think the author had intitially wanted to use the Ironwood tree in the manner of the Shade of the Evening and changed his mind for one reason or another. In the second book, then we start hearing about this new mysterious tree. This is all purely speculative. With the crypts the Ironwood doors are most likely meant to be symbolic and meant to symbolize black wood. These are just my opinions, but good question! Thanks so much for watching!

[@TheDisputedLands]

Yes, some of my other videos discuss Ygg. Watch my fratricidal clues video as well as the video on Nagga :)

[@auntmaddie]

PThe Disputed Lands WoW! I adore ALL your content. I was lucky enough to catch you and LmL doing a hangout. You have some great ideas and takes on so many different things thru the books, I bow to you.. I don't

[@maddyg2320]

A yt friend recommended this video. Wow! Excellent video, thank you! ☺️

[@SaintHierophant]

Outstanding work. You are brilliant.

[@roddammit5510]

Another Thrones channel added to my growing addiction lol. Great insight! Well thought out and explained in a way that's easy to follow. Looking forward to more of your fine work. I've been dying to get a fresh take on Marwyn and possibly the group he's conspiring with. Great job with your debut!

[@danielwilkes1251]

I really like this theory. I never really thought that the Children had fed Bran 100% Jojen Paste. Maybe it had Jojen's blood. But it definitely seemed to have a description of a seed paste to me. Not flesh.

[@joes9395]

Great video ! But if the weirwoods and the Shade of the Evening trees are the Old Ones, Does that mean that the Shade of the Evening Trees are Rh'llor and the Weirwoods are the Great Other ?

[@alexv3357]

Somehow I doubt Martin would write such a simple relationship. When he writes about this kind of thing it always runs several layers deeper than one first imagines. The Old Ones and the other ancient gods of the natural world don't fit neatly into the Red Faith's light-and-dark worldview, much as how faeries don't fit neatly into the Christian or Islamic good-and-evil mentality.

[@kailenmcauley8216]

Omg my mind is blown, I love your analysis

[@winter666madness]

Awesome presentation! Hoping for more!

[@sleekoduck]

The oily black stone made its first appearance in Dying of the Light.

[@heidelward905]

If the red leaves and blue leaves exist close together in a forest for a map perspective it would appear purple....

[@navykip]

Thanks for the video. Look forward to seeing more.

[@electrikjimmy608]

Love this video. I'll be watching this one again