Astronomical | Sacred Symbols, Episode 324

[@tasx11]

The people's champion has returned

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

Fffinally!

[@OptimusBrides]

Man... You can tell he's aged/matured a decade in a month Poor Holly and Dustin.

[@S1X_Bucks]

Colin still doesn't go to Dustin first. Lol. Ahh, things are back as they should be. We missed you Dustin, very happy to see you back.

[@ToxMod]

Collin did a very good job in keeping things very normal.

[@lamario]

It's because Dustin is typically more long winded than Chris.

[@S1X_Bucks]

@@lamario colin has said in the past he doesn't know why he does it

[@aricanderson3715]

Honestly didnt think I would miss the 2nd son that much. He is the voice of reason we all need.

[@chunkylover5367]

For real. He always brings thoughtful responses and balances everything out.

[@beeper5]

The king has returned

[@Hikikomori34]

Return of the king

[@cthulhu888]

​@@Hikikomori34"You bow to no one" 🤴

[@rd_2113]

Nice, welcome back Dustin

[@DanXcel]

So happy to see Dustin back!! It’s like he has a coat of PSSR over him!

[@BetaCypher]

😂🔥

[@Kevakazii]

PS5 isnt designed the shape it is for beauty, it's designed that way for function. The function of you having to go pay an extra $30 for a stand.

[@_Meatball_]

We've missed you, Dustin. Welcome back

[@JoRo729]

Colin's takes boil down to pretty much "[Insert issue] doesn't bother me because it doesn't affect me." Not everyone is in your situation, dude, and it's weird that you can't sympathize with your listeners' concerns. Stop thumbing your nose at us. The PS5 Pro doesn't come with a stand? "Doesn't bother me, I can lay mine down." I like that Chris had to step in to at least say it doesn't make sense or it isn't possible to lay this thing inside a TV console sometimes. Disc drive not included? "Doesn't bother me, I don't need or use one." I love how you make fun of people who this matters to. Awesome way to treat your audience! I buy most of my games digitally, but still have discs because they go on deep sale sometimes. Ok, ok, we get it you have lots of money that this doesn't matter to you. The price is $700? "Doesn't bother me, I can afford anything and everything." Stick drift is an issue for many players across many different platforms? "Doesn't bother me, just buy a new controller." Says the guy who admits he gets a new controller almost every year. Good for you! Not everyone is treating their controller like a neanderthal, and this still happens to people. Colin is so out of touch sometimes, and I never thought this before but it is starting to feel like he looks down on some of his audience for issues or concerns they have that he doesn't.

[@stephendow8607]

Fucking hallelujah!! Exactly the point I've been trying to make for ages!!

[@hass556]

I mean that’s how most people are. No one cares about other peoples problems. This applies to everything, not just video games. Seems unfair to bash him on something everyone does.

[@FreshWitcher]

He was totally fine abandoning Ukraine. He is definfey not going to care what doesn't affect him in gaming.

[@JoRo729]

@@hass556 I don't mock my friends for their valid complaints, though? It's just called being a sympathetic or decent person in general. And he's in a position of access, knowledge, experience, wealth, etc., so he should know better to act like this or treat others this way. I like Colin a lot, but his flippancy is just starting to grate on me, even when the issues don't apply to me. I don't use discs that much, but a lot of people do and I feel for them. Or the stick drift issue. It has affected me once before, but it still seems like a pretty widespread, major issue that he just waves off. I only expect more of him because he puts on that he cares about his audience. I'm huge fan, but that doesn't mean I have to love everything he does or says. I don't say it to "bash" or hate on him. Just voicing an opinion.

[@JoRo729]

@@FreshWitcher I just expect more from someone who acts like they care deeply about their audience is all. I'm not asking or wanting him to save the world or anything. Just a little decency and concern when you have a huge platform to speak from.

[@desertgsrider1]

Dustin is BACK!! Love it!

[@BW-vp3yk]

"No one speaks English worse than the English". That's a bold claim for a country which invented American football. A game played with your hands.

[@Kabullo76]

Muricans......

[@superspecky4eyes]

I'm sure I read that, originally English "football" was named so because it was played "on foot" rather than on horseback. Not because it was mainly played with your feet.

[@skeetsofrage9517]

Colin: I've not put one disc into my PS5, so why do you care? Cool story bro, i've put discs in every day.

[@RicoSeattle]

Exactly. Colin’s style of argument on this topic is just baffling. I don’t understand how Colin can’t argue in favor of physical media even if he doesn’t use it himself.

[@adamdothunt]

@@RicoSeattle yeah, it's so strange, especially with Dustin sat there.

[@DeepStone-6]

Its sad to say but fellas like us are down to 20%. 80% of Playstation games are sold digitally and I'm almost certain the PS6 will be all digital at launch, it's Joever for physical.

[@MrFatLipx]

That's not what he was even saying. His point was that most people are like him, where they don't use discs. He was using himself as exhibit A of the average PS consumer. It's fine that you use discs, but you are in a vast minority. That was the point.

[@skeetsofrage9517]

@@MrFatLipx while true, the whole segment was very much 'if you don't like it, too bad, deal with it' while making constant excuses to why we should pay more and expect less. First, its just a bespoke product that doesn't have to be bought, next, its a step to what the PS6 is likely to do and is inevitable. And again, the onus is put on the customer to expect less, not the company to provide more. Its not what you say, its how you say it, and we're just the stupid peasants that should accept slop and not complain to avoid becoming part of 'a toxic community' - get fully bent.

[@darkjorgelink]

$700 for a mid gen refresh, + $80 for disc drive, and $30 stand. It's ridiculous. That's $800+ before tax for a MID GEN REFRESH. It's absolutely ridiculous. And trust me, some games will still run at 30fps on it. This also concerns me about the future price of a ps6. Are we also going to claim ps6 is for enthusiasts only?

[@keenkolo5767]

No problem with having the option for people. But yeah 30 fps still seems like a likely outcome smh

[@darkjorgelink]

​@@keenkolo5767 I'm also worried about ps6 price. Sounds like it almost has to be $700 as well or MORE

[@keenkolo5767]

@@darkjorgelink just the way these things are going to get *more performance. It sucks but it’s just the reality.

[@marcushankins8171]

Don’t be worried about ps6. This will have absolutely no bearing on the price of the ps6

[@marcushankins8171]

@@darkjorgelinkit won’t be. Ps6 will be 500

[@TheDarkKratoz]

2:26:06 When Dustin says something to the effect of "I'm a physical media guy and people yelled at me, and now they're upset there's no disc drive on the Pro? Very weird." This is a thing that drives me up the wall. Why do you act like literally everyone was yelling at you for one thing, and then literally the exact same group of people are later freaking out about the opposite thing happening? Why do you frame it so disingenuously, when it's incredibly obvious that you are seeing two separate groups of people advocate for two opposing opinions?

[@stephendow8607]

Exactly my thoughts when he said that

[@mrMage3]

Yes, that one got me a bit angry as well

[@San_Juan_Grand_Prix]

Dustin!!! We’re happy to see you back. Perfect timing too

[@creese16]

Welcome back, Dustin! We love you man! Also, totally agree with y’all on the Astro Bot spoilers. It’s been ridiculous. I’ve been playing it slowly with my girlfriend because Astro’s Playroom is her favorite game on PS5 lol so we only play it when we have that time together at night. And the spoilers have been rampant and frustrating even when I try to block keywords on social media.

[@cinemapigeon4898]

I do remember Colin critiquing the PS4 Pro citing how games are still the same as they were a decade prior gameplay wise, mechanics, etc... how better textures and what not are not fundamentally changing the way games are played.

[@rng-mos2314]

On the topic of no disc drive Colin couldn't look and sound more obnoxious and out of touch if he tried.

[@fearsbecomephobias2129]

+1 for Dustin's return, -1 for all your takes on PS5 pro price.

[@rocketboy1674]

Balanced, as all things should be... also, Microsoft is selling an Xbox for $600 and Valve a Steam Deck for $650

[@netwatch7261]

​@rocketboy1674 why did you add an additional 100$ to the oled steam deck? You can get a steam deck for under 300$ that does more than the playstation (mod support and an internet browser)

[@victory7763]

@@fearsbecomephobias2129 You may as well switch to another ecosystem now if you think high end consoles are going to be 500 dollars forever

[@victory7763]

@@rocketboy1674 what's funny is some people are suggesting that the PlayStation PRO should be the same price as the Xbox (2TB). I can't take them seriously

[@fearsbecomephobias2129]

I already own a good gaming pc and a switch along with all my playstations. $700 for a mid cycle Pro refresh is an asinine amount of money to pay for what will likely be marginal improvements.

[@firerock277]

Biome is NOT NEW, Minecraft is its biggest user and that’s been a thing since 2011

[@superbadisfunmy]

2009 to be exact.

[@deathproof8732]

These guys have reached the point where they are not the typical videogame player. These guys are too rich to understand the normal man out in these busted streets. 700 dollars is fking ridiculous. And I can afford the thing but theres no reason to buy this pos since theres not enough videogames coming out to make this worth it.

[@llcoolcplays]

True

[@marcushankins8171]

There are plenty of games coming out. We just don’t know the full scope.

[@facundoarc3104]

Thats true about every content creator really. Even Collin in his ign days was not a typical gamer, getting all stuff early and free. Waht i dont get is why people lose their shit to much about this, just dont buy the damn thing and send a message with your wallet. The pro is worthless when in three to four years we are getting a new console in the ps6 and all games will be avalilable in the base ps5

[@victory7763]

A 200 dollar difference from the base isn't "rich"... LMAO

[@stephendow8607]

Colins answer to Sony gouging people 30 for a plastic stand Grow up and lay your console flat like an adult Whether its for comic effect or not ( not that its particularly funny in any way), being a prick while shilling for a company is not a good look at all

[@JorisJoestar]

Biomes have been a thing since Minecraft was in alpha and it isn't synonymous with "Levels" or "Stages", it just so happened that those words are interchangable for Returnal which is why that whole argument even started. Biomes in games mean the same thing as they mean in real life or science

[@JustinLatham]

The fact people don’t get that blows my god damn mind!

[@BenjerminGaye]

Its the principal colin. At that price building a PC isn't far off, and far easier to stomach. I say that as a PC guy. There's 1000-dollar prebuilt systems out right now that match it, without the monthly cost of online multiplayer and cloud saves. With the benefit of multiple storefronts to push the price of games lower. Consoles are supposed to be for the budget minded. at 700 minimum(no drive, no stand, and assuming you live in the US) going PC is now reasonable.

[@n2nother]

My issue with the price of the Pro is less about the Pro but more about what it means for the PS6. There’s no way it’s cheaper so we’re looking at $700 or more. And if you thought cross gen games last too long this gen it’s going to be worse next gen.

[@jarde1989]

I won’t hate on anyone upgrading to a Pro.. But personally $700 to play PS4 games to the level that PS5 originally promised is a no-go for me. Not even seeing the kinds of upgrades the One X offered last gen on 360 games is wild to me. I’d much rather spend my $700 on more stocks/investments or wait for the Switch 2

[@jarde1989]

And welcome back Dustin ❤❤❤

[@Pswayze23]

Nice, very unique and important comment you just made

[@TyranusRex721]

With the Switch 2 coming out next year, you will be able to buy it, an extra controller, a few games, and a carrying case and still have saved some money compared to buying a PS5 Pro. I really think Sony is trying to set a dangerous precedent and condition their fans to expect expensive hardware going into the next generation.

[@raineg0689]

Did this fruit cake just say that he'll wait for the switch 2 aka hardware wise a ps4 handheld at best ????? 😂

[@Newadventuresinpony]

Welcome back, Dustin. Much love. ❤

[@JCNL871]

I understand why the PS5 Pro is expensive, I just don’t understand why I should buy it…

[@PeterBParker2398]

PS5 Disc Drives are sold out because scalpers are now selling them for $100+ on eBay. That has nothing to do with how popular the PS5 Pro is going to be, it’s just scalpers doing what they do… I question your co-hosts for not even bringing this up…

[@MvbnFhfg]

PlayStation 5 pro is day one and and disc drive selling out does not mean that all are scrapers

[@marcushankins8171]

Because most of it is not scalpers.

[@TheHOOfan1]

I called this as soon as it was announcer, Dual Sense Edge replacement analog sticks all over again

[@jimcarrey2866]

His arguments contradict himself so many times

[@HazXbox]

​@MvbnFhfg you can't even spell.

[@JSilv3r]

Colin makes fun of PS7 owners wanting to play PS4 discs really shows you how out of touch he is. Especially when he’s advocating for an OPTION to completely vanish. Then also calling old cartridges sexy lol

[@jimcarrey2866]

It'd be funny to see him buy his games only from the PS store while everybody game pick the cheapest store on PC or retailer on Switch.

[@bluetech2809]

Colin stop trying to justify the price. It's embarrassing. They set it at $700 because they THINK that's what they can get away with. Nothing more nothing less. They would set it at $800 or $900 if they thought they could get away with it, but presumably they think $700 is the "sweet spot". Also moving to PC to "make a statement" yes that's exactly what it is. If Sony is going to move to digital and still try to charge stupid prices then screw them I'll stick with PC and get my games cheaper.

[@llcoolcplays]

The fact they included playroom AGAIN instead of the new actual ASTROBOT game is INSANE! Anyone who buys this has ALREADY PLAYED that since let's be honest they will be re buyers from the base. It's such a double finger 🖕

[@TheLastDaysOfSorrow]

People consider going from PS to PC because if your "high end" gaming is being forced into an all digital future then you might as well go with the most potent, open and consumer friendly ecosystem. I for one will save up for a good rig instead of investing in the Pro because I'd have to pay the euro equivalent of >1000$ to get the Pro plus stand and disc drive (how is the disc drive 130€ in Europe??). I will go base PS5 performance mode or PC for PS5 exclusives - depending on the length of the exclusivity window and my want to play asap and the Switch 2 will likely become my new "main" for physical media. There are numerous reasons why a disc drive is still essential - no internet dependency, backwards compatibility, ownership, more than one storefront etc. but please keep listing mtx/pc/mobile skewed statistics when the Insomniac leaks have already proven that physical makes up a big chunk of first party sales - about 60% iirc.

[@maciejsawtyruk5804]

yep, this is like saying that people only play sports games and other games are irrelevant based on the statistics. I'm guessing that these people are driving the digital sales most.

[@DuhDundies]

$700 isn’t a big deal? You serious? Lmao

[@Final_Dawn]

Not if you have the money, of course. It's easy for Colin and the boys to afford a 700 dollar console. Or if you are a Playstation enthusiast who wants to play at the best possible setting on console...

[@DuhDundies]

⁠@@Final_DawnI can afford it but to say $700 isn’t a big deal is wild to me.

[@Pswayze23]

​@@Final_Dawnps5 can do 1440p, if you have the money for a 4ktv and have time to play games that much, than i wonder how rare of a person you are.

[@rotoninja]

It isn't if you only spend money on Megaman and Castlevania t-shirts.

[@proggz39]

@@Pswayze23ps5 can do 4k but most games run at a low resolution upscaled. That’s the whole point of the pro using ai upscaling to make games look better at higher frame rates. Still not worth it for most people. Sony is selling this to the most hardcore

[@williamspecht-casper9162]

Kneeling for the return of the king

[@LankyPlank]

Welcome back, Dustin! 🎉 you have been missed 💙

[@TranscendingPolygons]

The PS5 pro is simply disingenuous to consumers. Sony has made so much money over the last 2 generations, they could have eaten the extra cost. They’re not looking out for their food. The farmer is not feeding its cows properly. Plus, this is an experiment, Sony is prepping the PS6 pricing.

[@Jay_Walker92]

Gaming isn't a poor man's hobby.

[@thezx5795]

My PS5 box says 8K on it.. Where's my money Sony?!

[@marcushankins8171]

There is 1 8k game. And it does have the ability to output 8k so it’s not a lie.

[@dilansmithee503]

"This new PS5 looks interesting. So what's the game situation like?" "Games?!?"

[@legendaryskinman7305]

As of March 31, 2024, the PS5 disc version has sold more units than the digital version, with 59.2 million units sold compared to the digital version. However, the PS5 is still behind the PS4, which sold 60 million units in the same time frame. Is weird thinking digital is taking over

[@Dasaltwarrior]

There's also the fact that people are going BACK to more physical media because companies tried phasing out physical during covid, which these systems released in the dead middle of Its also ignoring that people use these systems as blu-ray players and to play older games. I know I have a catalog of PS4 titles I use on my 5

[@bird49055]

Holy shit Chris’ bentley impression is spot on at 1:44:54

[@Pizzakong633]

Usually agree with colin on a lot but theres simply no excusing the ps5 pro being 300+ more expensive in other countries. It is insanity

[@Rucarlos]

Things will get very awkward when it's time for PS6 and they'll have to find the power and pricing line that won't mean a base console is near 1K while also being decisively better than the last gen offering

[@marcushankins8171]

Nope it will be 500 max. Thinking it will be anything more is disingenuous

[@victory7763]

​@@marcushankins8171get real, due to inflation they are still struggling to keep BASE PS5 at 500, and in most countries it's already gone up.

[@Saber_of_Truth]

I really really hate the “we dont pay enough for games”. Yes tf we do! Sony already there killing physical, so retail fee goes away. Most paid online games require a subscription for online. Most games have special edition which is additional 10-50 extra with little work. Most games have DLC which are always upcharged. And a lot have MTX which cost NOTHING to make and generate BILLIONS. Spare me with this argument that games were actually more expensive when we all know gaming is more profitable and bigger than ever even accounting for inflation

[@tweeeeeex]

Sure, but keep in mind that all of the examples you're describing were likely put into place specifically *because* games haven't kept up with the price of inflation. Companies discovered through market research that people weren't willing to pay more for base price videogames, so they found other ways to extract more value (with things like microtransactions, battle passes, etc)-and that appears to have worked, given the data on how many people spend money on those things (especially in otherwise F2P games). I'm not saying that's right, and in fact I basically agree with your point (or at least your implicit point, i.e. "I don't want to spend more money on stupid BS"); my preference would be to do away with all the nonsense upcharges/subscription models/etc and just have games be a little bit more expensive in exchange. But it's worth at least understanding the "why" of the whole phenomenon. Given how bloated game budgets have become, I think these companies feel like they have to make their money SOMEwhere, and so they've chosen these smaller streams of revenue rather than an overall increase in price. (The other solution, which I would love, would be for games to become cheaper to make-and I WOULD love that, because I'm a massive fan of smaller-budget indie titles and VNs and stuff like that-but that appears to be unlikely to happen anytime soon, unfortunately. All we can do in the meantime is vote with our wallets.)

[@bluetech2809]

@@tweeeeeex Nonsense if game companies could get away with higher prices AND all the MTX rubbish they would do it. In fact, a lot of games do exactly that.

[@PlayLaughLogan]

Not to mention that it's not like all of those extra revenue sources would go away if prices increased. We've already been told that lie and look what happened - $70 games and we still get Day 1 $40 season passes or $110 Full Editions. So even if base games cost $80 they'd still be cutting content for DLC later or selling us microtransactions.

[@GenePark]

1:55:52 is right when Dustin freezes up. I didn’t even notice until they did the edit lmao

[@Chris75717]

You the man gene

[@JamesCash-z2d]

You are a Peter puffer

[@GRADERBLADE1]

Fuck yeah, Dustin is back!

[@MrMartyPlays]

The Return of The King

[@Roreo_]

Knime

[@kash538]

I like how Colin insults people by calling them Nerds, as if he doesn’t host a PlayStation podcast.

[@VooDooChild6971]

That’s… the joke

[@gregorymansour1763]

If I buy something called the "PS5 Pro" I expect it to have all of the features of my current PS5, not less. No disc drive, no buy.

[@painkiller66]

That CNET video was embarrassing. They recorded it in 1080p 30 fps.

[@ObjoGaming]

Welcome back to the gamer king!!!!!

[@TheRealKG912]

"We’re PlayStation guys. Of course I’ll spend $700 for the best console gaming experience" 😎

[@beefstrokinoff]

LMAO i don't necessarily agree with one side or the other but this is funny

[@KenjiKussano]

Colin unfortunately has become a brainless fanboy, he used to be smart

[@zooksmz]

how is he a brainless fanboy?

[@VariantAEC]

​@@zooksmz The people making the claim are brainless fanboys.

[@SKULLASTIKUS]

What’s neglected by price apologists is that wages have not kept pace with inflation. Ask yourself: has your salary increased 21% since 2020?

[@marcushankins8171]

Actually it’s gone up about 200% at my current job.

[@SKULLASTIKUS]

@@marcushankins8171 I salute you 🫡

[@uncagedelite]

That's completely irrelevant, it is more powerful so it costs more money, it has absolutely nothing to do with inflation. The base PS5 has not increased in price in the US.

[@SKULLASTIKUS]

@@uncagedelite By that logic, why did an HP computer - a paperweight by today’s standards - cost $95,000 in 1972?

[@uncagedelite]

@@SKULLASTIKUS Because its been 52 years since that released and technology has evolved a lot. It's been less than 4 years since the PS5 released, technology hasn't budged an inch, things that are more powerful cost more money. In another 52 years something with the power of a PS5 will also suck and be worthless. This isn't a difficult concept, how could you possibly belive that was an actual argument. By your argument the pro should actually cost a lot more because the price hasn't increased due to inflation, just because it's more powerful.

[@nateg3998]

I really hope Dustin realizes how much he adds to this show just by being on it. So happy you're back, Dustin!

[@eirvin1817]

At this point, the PS5 Pro is for people with more money than sense, given that the PS5 has been hampered by extended PS4 cross-platform development. Software development will always favor the lowest common denominator, so even long term, the reality is that the Pro's potential will never be tapped before the PS6 releases. I don't think we've fully seen the base PS5 tapped in the same way as previous generations. Also, Colin talks about the disc drive issue and pokes fun at people considering jumping to PC, where digital storefronts are the norm. Yet so far in this video, I've yet to hear anyone mention the latent annual cost of a PS+ membership in order to access parts of purchased games. That adds to the cost as well over time. So if people are looking at the future and seeing where digital storefronts are the norm, then it might make sense to go with the option that allows for more flexibility in customization, as well as prioritizing a platform that doesn't require an additional service that otherwise paywalls the full offerings of the game. The disc drive issue also foreshadows what likely becomes the new norm for Sony going forward--upselling it as an optional accessory (or added cost) as opposed to prepackaging and selling multiple SKUs. They've done the same thing with the stand with the PS5 Pro. What's next for the PS6? No controller included? The reality is that the market will decide these things when all is said and done. But it's hard not to see a reckoning coming, if larger and larger amounts of people are priced out of the market. As a longtime Sony supporter, they've lost the thread with me this generation, and I don't know if I'll even be moving forward with their next gen hardware. But people get to make their own choices, based on how they perceive value. I guess we'll see what happens.

[@victory7763]

Bro at the end of the day you're making a big stink about it being 200 more dollars than the base. You do realize there's even less of a difference between a 4070 and a 4090 yet the price difference is 800 dollars. You're crying about 200 dollar difference. You really think it should cost the same as Xbox Series X? Get real.

[@drewth]

Right there with you. I've been playing games since the original Gameboy. I've owned every PlayStation console. I buy dozens of games every year across multiple platforms. At this rate I won't be buying a ps6. When you lose enthusiasts with disposable income like me your brand is in trouble

[@victory7763]

@@eirvin1817 Well, just like Colin doesn't care about discs, he also couldn't care less about PS+. It's not like he enjoys multiplayer games anyway. You're trying to make the PS+ argument a gotcha as if it's mandatory. And the type of person who cares about playing multiplayer online games is the same person who has access to the internet, therefore digital storefronts and no need for a disc drive. Your attempt at a gotcha with PS+ makes less and less sense the more thought that is put into it

[@MyAnalyser]

It's a luxury item and obviously it's not for students and low income people. Does it make sense? Probably not, but I have 2 dual sense edges that I got on launch (1 to play and 1 to charge while I'm playing) and if tommorow Sony would release Dual Sense Edges in new colors I'm quite certain I would buy 2 new ones in a hearbeat, they cost more then half a PS5 Pro. So yeah I'm getting a PS5 Pro day 1.

[@jyoung188]

DUSTIN!!! The trio has returned :D

[@tjk_9000]

for me the issue (that isn't brought up enough) is that...while there's no $700 PC equivalent to the pro, a playstation doesn't actually do anything other than play games. you could use a PC to MAKE games or literally anything else you can imagine that exists in digital space. I don't really think they're worth comparing.

[@elborrador333]

Some people's lives revolve around sony so much that they can't imagine why anyone would want to build a PC to do anything except play playstation games on it.

[@marcushankins8171]

But how many people who build a rig to match or surpass a ps5 pro will use it for anything but gaming. I build a 4090 pc build this year. I only plan to use it to game.

[@cam86191]

The people who say they want to switch to PC (where physical media no longer exists) because the pro doesn’t come with a disc drive are completely justified because there’s a good chance their entire PS5 library is physical. I was looking forward to the pro for months and am 100% not buying this thing. The diminishing returns are real. Grabbing a gaming PC on Black Friday this year.

[@Donald_Allan]

I find it a weird argument. It's strange how people flip out and say they will go to PC if the consoles no longer have a disc drive as they aren't happy with the idea of everything going digital even though PC has been a digital platform for years 🤣

[@cam86191]

@@Donald_Allan When the entire industry goes all digital it doesn’t mean I’m going to stop gaming. People just like physical media for multiple reasons. The problem with this situation is that my entire library is physical so this new hardware is useless unless I want to pay the disc drive tax. In fact I’m sure a good majority of people have PS4 games physically that they’ll either have to rebuy or not replay on the new hardware.

[@legendaryskinman7305]

I'm pretty sure like 80 percent of all ps5s sold had a disc drive..

[@bluetech2809]

Exactly even if people don't use the disc drive that much, the sales data suggests that people still WANT a disc drive.

[@berealbud2963]

Actually, the sales data is suggesting, that more people are moving to digital ​@@bluetech2809

[@iloveyoual32]

Oh man... So, I don't really use social media at all and listen to this podcast typically when I am at work. I knew that Dustin had stepped away due to the planned birth of his child and figured that with his absence, he was at home with the wife raising their new baby. Only after being taken aback by Dustin mentioning 'grief' at the beginning of the show, did I look up his twitter and hear the news... Maybe it was mentioned on a previous episode and I just missed it, but, man, what an absolutely horrible and jarring thing to learn with his return to the show... Dustin, on the off chance you read this, my heart goes out to you and yours and I hope that you are both thriving despite such horrible circumstances. Wishing you the absolute best and hoping for comfort and healing in droves to you both.

[@DoNotLookDown]

Right when we needed him most, he returned. Welcome back Dustin!

[@coreyvought6268]

Welcome back Dustin!

[@quezcatol]

I have no issue with an expensive ps5 pro but the fact they couldnt offer a sku that came with a disc player is beyond shooting themselves in the foot. What they are basically saying right now is: the people with the most money arnt collectors or care about physical media.

[@marcushankins8171]

No they are acknowledging that about 85% of all games sold on PlayStation are digital.

[@quezcatol]

@@marcushankins8171 none of the games they showcased sold 15% physical

[@TheHOOfan1]

@@marcushankins8171 except the 65% of first party games that are physical.

[@drewth]

​@@marcushankins8171Even if you believe that number (and there's good reason to doubt it) those numbers are cumulative. Meaning while total sales are overwhelmingly digital, very few people are digital only

[@joshuabrungardt461]

Dusty boy!! Good to see you back Dustin 👊

[@clouphon3019]

Colin when people ask us if we want more water. The true Australian reply is Yeah Nah

[@InnerFury]

Colin Moriarty the "Sony Defence Force" a gamer called out his hypocrisy on his views between Sony and Nintendo games and he breaks wind because that was his best argument! The intellectual class of the man right there!

[@14_IQ.points]

Sending a big ass virtual hug to Dustin. Good to hear his voice again.

[@stephendow8607]

The Pro "conversation" was very unsatisfying, batting hard for Sony

[@EntertainmentBreeze]

They're sharing their genuine opinions. They're not batting for anyone. They've criticized and shit on Sony just as much over the years. If you want a PS5 Pro takedown, there's plenty of places on the internet to find that. The Sacred boys always share their takes, good, bad, popular, or unpopular. Listening for any other reason than for that seems strange to me.

[@jimcarrey2866]

@@EntertainmentBreezeI felt like he was just being very defensive with absolutely no logic to his arguments. He kept pointing to people "telling him what to buy" when I haven't seen anybody saying that. Do whatever you want with your money but, it doesn't change the fact it is expensive for what you get.

[@HazXbox]

​@@EntertainmentBreezeColin has never shitted on Sony. Ever. Even going back to IGN days

[@victory7763]

Bro be realistic. You think it's supposed to cost the same as Xbox Series X?

[@marcushankins8171]

@@HazXboxfactually untrue.

[@torenreaves8810]

Dustin, brother, proud of you beyond words and equally happy to see your return. God bless you and yours

[@bigbotzone]

You guys keep talking inflation but fail to count the decrease in cost of old components. The processor I bought in 2020 was $149, today its $69. The video card was $600 in 2020, today its $299. 1TB NVMe SSD was $120 in 2020, today the same one is $62.99. So even with inflation the cost is a fraction it was in 2020. Its the new components that are rising in price and Sony isn't using anywhere near top of the line in the pro. Also the SSD for the PS5 is $59.99 right now on Amazon. So buying Sony's version is insane.

[@berealbud2963]

You can't get a 2 TB card for $59. What the hell are you talking about? LOL. Electronic manufacturing has gone up in the last few years and consumers for the most part haven't felt the repercussions of it. This is a meat gen refresh. They're not buying things in massive faults because they know they're not going to sell that many SKUs. I for one can't wait to buy the PS5 pro because they'll be a 3-year period between it and the PlayStation 6 and I for one will not light the $20 a month that that $700 price tag breaks up to when you spread it out through a 3-year. Stop me from enjoying all my joy

[@TheHanleyProject]

Comparing the PS5 all digital to the same as PC all digital is an incorrect comparison. On PC you're open to get your games from multiple storefronts, you're not locked to the whims of Sony and their PSN pricings. It's not the same and the constant comparison to it is incorrect.

[@cesare4926]

I remember why i stopped watching these guys and cancelled my Patreon. They are just completely delusional and Sony shills. The Ps5 Pro is an absolute disgrace and Sony is ripping people off with this price

[@Gamer-ade]

Yeah... Its easy to say you'll buy one when 13000 losers give you money every month for free. I can afford one but ever since I got my ROG Ally X I rarely touch my PS5.

[@stephendow8607]

This comment section contains a wide variety of very salient and reasonable points against some of the arguments the guys made in the show None of these will be acknowledged 😂😂

[@bigolpancake9136]

dustin is a beautiful man im happy to see him

[@Simon4-v1u]

The price of the PS5 Pro is very much a big deal for those of us that don't have Pateron accounts with stacks of cash coming in monthly 🤷‍♂

[@jimmydeanman]

😂

[@toomastom3827]

Well then it's not for you. Is a Ferrari for you? Likely chance of that also being a no, the sheer annoyance at the price is hilarious especially if you already own a PS5, you don't HAVE to buy this.

[@Pswayze23]

These pro models were always a ripoff and made for insane people who obsess over graphics and also have money to wipe their ass with. Thats why ps4 pro only sold 10% of total ps4 sales. Colin and games media professionals are paid to cover games, they are not like us.

[@elborrador333]

@@toomastom3827 Oh we don't HAVE to buy it? We were sitting here thinking before you pointed it out that we had to buy one.

[@marcushankins8171]

Then you were not the target audience simple as that.

[@PremierLeagueProductions]

Geoff Keighley talking points. Inflation!!!!

[@Uzukii]

When your company has a vested interest in Sony's success, this is what your get. Three dudes pulling out whatever excuse they can from the aether to defend an underpowered, feature stripped $700 mid-gen console refresh in this economy. Chris is the only one who doesn't sound like a shill. Also, arguing the PS5 comes with an OS unlike a PC is one of the most cringe things I've heard on this show. I guess forget the fact that a digital only PS5 has only one storefront to get your games from. Meanwhile, PC has Steam, Epic, USB drives... piracy.

[@chknrsandTBBTROX73]

Dustin, the consigliere is back! Subscribed to Patreon just for this ❤

[@xwers1234]

Been following colin for over a decade now and I must objectively share some criticism. Colin is becoming more and more out of touch of the realities of 99% of his audience and gamers in general. “No big deal” is wild to say about this price point, and no disc drive. I’m trying imagine Colin who just moved tO SF, off that first few years IGN salary reading that $700 price tag. really disappointed to see someone so far up Sony’s ass the last few years, that he has become somewhat of a fanboy, the same he claims to hate, that don’t mean you don’t criticize Sony, but I truly believe the Xbox fan boys on Twitter tweaked something in Colin’s brain, now he just likes to “ own “ them and defend Sony much of the time. I’m open to a dialogue, if anyone feels similar or different, comment below, cause I feel like soemthjng has really shifted in the last 2-4 years with Colin’s rhetoric and clear CLEAR bias

[@EvernhamNo9]

As a follower of Colin since 2015 I agree. ABK acquisition really activated his tribalism

[@jimcarrey2866]

There are other topics where you see 99% of the comments saying one thing and he says the complete opposite. I can understand not being a parrot and repeating what your audience is saying but, it's becoming more and more frequent lately. HE attracted this audience

[@xwers1234]

@@EvernhamNo9tribalism is a good word for it, he certainly is very tribal when it comes to the consoles. It’s beggining to cloud Hanford and judgement. Thanks for your input!

[@victory7763]

Brother you are talking about a 200 dollar difference between the Pro and base. 200 dollars is a night out. Is it supposed to cost the same as Xbox Series X despite being more powerful?

[@xwers1234]

@@victory7763that’s a 33% increase? You don’t think that’s significant considering what was shown, and lacking a disc drive and a stand?

[@firesofanarchy2500]

Gotta love how they're totally fine paying $700 for a minimal upgrade just because it's the peak of what's on the market but don't think that peak of the market should include being able to play your old physical games.

[@jermelpurse3018]

That wage calculation sucks Colin because it doesn’t factor out outliers when it comes to GDP. In that case, Elon Musk his billion dollar income would factor into my average wage and that really doesn’t add up.

[@Not_Liquid]

Seeing Dustin’s beautiful mug when the episode started is one of the best things to happen this week.

[@DanielJ-00]

Welcome home Dustin! Glad to have you back!

[@maciejsawtyruk5804]

A console without a disc drive solely relying on its digital marketplace is not the same as a PC without a disc drive. Preservation on PC is almost a non-issue, with platforms such as GOG where you can buy a game and have a backup, I don't have to worry about the service closing in 20 or so years. Console digital stores just vanish, just look at Nintendo, Microsoft or what Sony was planning to do with Vita/Ps3... The way Colin mocks people for wanting to play their PS4 in the future is totally out of touch. It would be wiser to advise people to buy physical games in times when licenses expire, games disappear, services go down, etc.

[@razzgrizz3]

If you played rebirth in performance and saw no issues you are completely iliterate on the technical aspects of that product lol... And he calls himself an enthusiast!

[@LastMinuteGuess]

THE RETURN OF THE KING

[@funzbunz]

The return of the king weeb! Great to have you back Dustin, you're the man ❤

[@michaelgranger146]

It's wonderful to have Dustin back. Sending love to him and Holly

[@ChrisWTube]

Colin saying Americans pronounce ‘bottle of water’ better, while not saying a single letter T.

[@NinjaSquirrel30]

Alan Wake 2 800p Digital Foundary patron specs 🤣 810$ Pay more for less!!

[@victory7763]

Incomplete information

[@princeofduval810]

Another difference regarding the the cell phone comparison is cell phone costs are now subsidized by the service providers. No one is paying MSRP on a new phone anymore because they get you to subscribe to their monthly cell plan in exchange for the phone. Maybe one day Sony will help pay for our consoles in exchange for subscribing to PS Plus.

[@TheOneLastSpartan]

The dig on going to PC where it has no physical media is so dumb to me. It is a clear misunderstanding on what value Steam provides and what value Sony provides. I have games I bought on steam 20 years ago that still work. I bought ps1 games on PS3 that I can't play on PS4 and PS5. One of the main value points Sony and other consoles provided was physical media, them going away from it means they have way less value. The digital library on PlayStation is worthless and will be reset in a console or two. Oh, and guess what, those games I bought 20 years ago also work on a steam deck! Oh, and guess what, all the Steam games I own can be shared with my family for free. Almost like, I hand them a disk. Buying digital games on a console is legitimately stupid. Consoles have wiped the libraries multiple times now. When a company no longer provides the product I want, I go to a better company. Colin thinking it isn't a loss for Sony and the people who are doing it are how I perceived him to mean are stupid; is peak ignorance on his part. If I am forced to pick digital games, why pick Sony? If what makes a console special keeps getting eroded, we aren't going to get them anymore. It is ok though. I will be able to sell Demon Souls remaster for 200 bucks + one day when Sony turns off the PS5 store and it's impossible to get it digitally anymore. Maybe I will sell it to Colin when he has to do some kind of work on it 15 years from now.

[@TyranusRex721]

PCs are more expensive up front, but you are not paying yearly subscriptions to play online, your games are much cheaper, and your rig will be able to handle pretty much any game for the next long while. Not to mention you can do pretty much anything on a PC, even a gaming PC. I want to see someone file their taxes on a PS5. Once we start getting into $800-$1,000 range (which Sony seems really excited to do so), you should honestly just save up and buy a mid-range PC that will last you a good while. And yes, physical media tends to last longer because they cannot rip the game from your hard drive. We have already seen Sony do this several times already. If I buy digitally, it is usually because there is a sale and the game does not exist physically.

[@VariantAEC]

This argument is not as strong as you think it is. I own PC games from before the year 2000, most of which do not work on modern Windows or other computer OSes. I need to rely on emulation to get some games working. I still have a PS2, so my pre-2000 era games still work just fine. Nothing additional necessary. I also keep my old PCs, but before I started buying laptops for myself, I was relying on my parents' old PCs to play games. Because PS2 was relevant for like 12 to 14 or so years, I made it into adulthood to buy one, knowing it would run my old PS1 games, and it does. So, my PS2 was made in 2011 or something like that and is in excellent condition. I also got it new via retail for around $99 because it was very near the end of life. Those libraries can only be lost by theft or by some other tragedy. What happens if you offend Steam or after the company changes hands? You could lose your entire software library. Like I was saying, it's not as strong an argument as you thought.

[@tejotl]

welcome back Dustin - these clowns needed you

[@GeoffreyGiraffrey]

Damn it’s good to have the trio back!

[@jermelpurse3018]

What should scare people is the $1000 USD that people in Japan have to pay for the system. Sony knows that they have that market on lock. They have no problem saying you’re going to pay $300 more than someone else across the globe. It would be different if you had to ship these items in some difficult manner, but no this is Japan. You can get a PlayStation there no problem. You just have to pay big money for it because they know this is the only thing you want to buy anyway so why not get much money out of you as possible.

[@TyranusRex721]

We have already seen sales sharply fall in Japan due to the price increases. Other places around the world are also easily near $1,000. This idea that the "console is not for you" is going to fall flat when the PS6 is priced similarly. Is it just going to be for the enthusiasts then too? How the hell is the common player going to be able to afford this thing when that is like a month's rent? The guys are really not looking towards the future and ignoring the obvious things Sony is trying to do.

[@bluetech2809]

@@TyranusRex721 "If you don't like the price don't buy it" I hope this is exactly what happens. Consumers collectively have to send the message that we will not pay that much for a console. They will get the message and they will either lower the price or bundle something (a game or an extra controller, or hey even a damn disc drive).

[@drewth]

Tbh I think that price point just signals that they've ceded the entire market to Nintendo. People like to pretend they somehow exist in different universes but these are both devices whose primary purpose is to play games

[@CompulsiveNerd]

OMG. ALMOST CRIED seeing Dustin!!

[@danmann861]

You know, I was the guy who traded his PS4 day one for a PS4 Pro. Never regretted it. That said, I have no desire to buy a PS5 Pro at all. The lack of disc drive (I’m a still mostly physical) and just the fact that my launch PS5 still looks and runs great to me. Performance mode is usually pretty good across the board and I just don’t feel the need to get fidelity mode at 60hz Unless it boost current performance mode games to higher frame rates then that might intrigue me as I do have a HDMI 2.1 4K monitor But right now? I’m perfectly fine with my PS5 standard and just have no interest in this upgrade

[@hoaaaaaaaaable]

The return of the King! Missed you Dustin

[@UnnecessaryRambling]

Return of the 🐐 welcome back Dustin!

[@zenna5062]

50:30 they've said this same dumbass comment almost every time they've brought up the Concord situation or anything similar. It didn't fail because it was "woke", it failed because it was unappealing. Why was it unappealing? Why were all the characters intentionally made ugly and unappealing? Why was it so soulless with shitty marvel tier writing/comedy? Why do they feel the need to squirm around the word/concept of something failing because of "woke" developers?