At What Level Up the Chain Does Extreme Ownership Stop? - Jocko Willink

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Excerpt from JOCKOPODCAST 225

[@memeseed5460]

This Podcast honestly has inspired me to start working out everyday thanks guys 👊

[@tony_fanta]

me too! I found a military/prison style workout and I'll start doing it tomorrow at 5a.m.

[@stza16]

Give up, you are only gong to fail. Just kidding, keep up the good work.

[@Norannmcguire]

🤣🤣

[@asswhole4195]

If you have to rely on others to keep you motivated, you will be back to sitting on your ass in the month or two.

[@tylerm8145]

@@asswhole4195 I mean there's a decent possibility but not necessarily, Mr hardass. People don't care about exercising until they do, you know? It's not like everyone who doesn't do it is too lazy too. Maybe they didn't think it was important until now, or they didn't know how, or they didn't know what being healthy can do for a person. Better late than never tho.

[@JampackGaming707]

Almost 7 months without alcohol and its all thanks to you Jocko! I’ve even lost weight 🙏

[@JampackGaming707]

Sic Semper Tyrannis thank you!!! 💪

[@AaronGrosch29]

Negative. It's all thanks to you. You're doing the work. You're fighting the urge. You're directing your life. Jocko's talking to Echo in a room. You're making the change. Own it. And well done, man!

[@OnsideHaddock72]

Thats awesome to hear brother, you are displaying exceptional self control

[@nohanzainudini9702]

Good to hear man

[@sladeb6036]

Get Some

[@davidgreen40]

Ownership of the problem is ownership of the solution.

[@hannahtex6768]

We used your videos for “Leadership Time” talking points at Corporals Course. Your words lead us into some incredible discussions. Love this continuation of an old topic. Thank you for your words, Jocko. You help so much more than you could know.

[@ArgentinaGrandpa]

Thank you for this, my walls were falling and I was allowing myself to dull down in life losing my edge and discipline. After fasting for 24 hrs and hearing this, great reset.

[@jayfrancis7731]

Always continue to challenge yourself friend. 24 hour fast = good reset. Next do 72 hours. My longest was 9 days (with 8 oz compressed vegetable juices 2 times a day)

[@TheMikHook]

I have to say, after reading Jocko's books and implementing these practices to my team's at work. I have had a tough time trying to explain to the owner what extreme ownership is and why it's important and crucial to implement. I found this clip and shared it to the owner and explained it the same way to my team's and I have seen a major turn around in the productivity of meetings, and time spent on job's.

[@macpettit2327]

Every time I listen to this I get so fired up and motivated; Thanks Jocko, you always put everything in perspective

[@burakkan6264]

08:22 "Because he keeps f.. Making your whole platoon fail"

[@TheIndirectgaming]

Jocko, It’s 8:38 am, I’ve been up for 30 Hours, it’s a long story. But I’ve finally done what ive had to do to take back my life from being hostage to the most insufferable habits, wish me strength

[@jakubmazewski]

Stimulants?

[@esfitnesspro2455]

Or opiate withdrawal.

[@funwithaiman]

Just realizing that your habits are harmful is a big step my friend! You’ve got this.

[@Gruner75]

Elon musk said of the crew dragon launch: "I'm the chief engineer of this thing, so I'd just like to say that if it goes right, it's credit to the SpaceX-NASA team. If it goes wrong, it's my fault," Extreme Ownership example ..

[@deayreswhite2838]

A few of these videos can literally change ur life.

[@BboyDaquack]

Lmao 8:23 he almost said "because he keeps fuckin up"

[@DS-kp4ch]

Ownership takes extreme Jocko

[@wieheisstder5461]

Listening to this it feels like the "good old Sündenbock-mentality". Here in Germany this culture it is very common to blame others instead reflecting yourself and have the courage to see your own mistakes and resolve it somehow. It seems those kind of people won't go forward ever. Well, obviously they won't learn out of own mistakes. I don't know what they fear. Maybe they learned to be punished for every mistake and found out to blame it on others. Thanks you two for your podcast, found it a couple days ago and started watching it, because I was first interested in the black/white picture aesthetic 😊now can't stop listening.

[@pearllee601]

thank you very, very much for making this video. it is an aspect of leadership training that I have not heard, but is absolutely necessary to know for anyone in any leadership position. I salute you.

[@Edwardtonnn]

When Jocko pulls out his blade lmao

[@jcxlscr]

Time always finds Jocko to do things.

[@johnw.peterson4311]

I wish everyone operated with this methodology.

[@aikishugyo]

Absolutely awesome clarity on how to think as a leader in the midst of chaos and lack of leadership environment. Pre-emptive ownership before Extreme Ownership. Ehe, also Echo and Jocko's play of pen being mightier than the sword... or not... is fun to see.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

They say, "There's no I in Team." It only functions well when everyone involved contributes to the collaborative ownership of the solutions to every obstacle, problem, dysfunction, tribulation and quid-pro-quo. Supervisors contribute what they think (hope) will add to their people the ability to resolve issues and think for themselves in the field. Subordinates contribute their own efforts (and occasional ideas) to TRAIN and become better at thinking for themselves... solving the issues and problems so they don't keep piling up. TOGETHER Everyone Achieves More solutions, More projects, More missions, etc... No matter how complicated the hierarchy, from the lowest "ranks" to the highest, everyone has a hand in the failure. Everyone has hands in running into problems... and eventually getting to a resolution for every single one of those problems. SO it only makes sense that "rather than playing the blame game", contributing a portion of the solution that each one of them CAN contribute, and focusing on creating opportunities for a PRO-active approach to the next variation of the problems. Retro-actively a RE-active approach is only ever going to be "mop up" and "blame"... AND more people die of shame than of just about anything else. Too busy pointing fingers or asking "why me?" to bother putting energy in "what the hell are we going to do about it?"... AND trust me, "What the hell we're doing about it..." is a hell of a lot more interesting and fun than crying about "why me?" ;o)

[@KirilVarbanov]

Another great episode, thanks for that. To add to what Jocko said: basic psychology has taught us that blaming prevents learning.

[@kmitchel46725]

Love the black/white and lighting.

[@alexandervilla5673]

A lot of the questions Jocko gets on Extreme Ownership could be solved if his followers understood fundamentals. "Extreme Ownership" is essentially a fundamental that says "you should take responsibility for everything that goes on in your life if you decide that it affects you enough."

[@brandonzhang5808]

The name "Extreme Ownership", or as it's commonly known "taking responsibility", is misleading. What people want is competance. The ability to communicate effectively, handle situations well, and to learn fast from mistakes so that future problems of the sort can be avoided, etc. In every case of what Jocko describes as the intended version of "extreme ownership" is simply being consistently competant and contributing value in ideas or actions. But the thing about that is you don't need to "own" any kind of responsibility in order to contribute value. You can be anybody within the chain of command with any level of responsibility, but if you can know what you're talking about and offer smart reasoned opinions you can be seen as competant. And you'll soon find yourself promoted for it. If, in the debrief of that friendly fire tragedy, one of Jocko's men on the bottom of the chain of command had also offered some future protocol solutions, he would just as surely have been considered for a promotion for showing that he could offer useful intelligence, despite having at the time the most basic level of executive authority, the smallest claim to owning responsibility for what happened. Value is useful. Blame is not.

[@broutefoin]

extreme ownership is a short, easy mantra that helps quell the instinct to blame and can serve as an exemplar for others up and down the chain when implemented. It trains you to look at your own mistakes, hopefully highlighting what you have control over and set the ball rolling towards a solution. Sure, you may not NEED to own the responsibility for that to happen, but taking ownership greatly increases the odds of that boulder rolling in the right direction.

[@slappy8941]

You don't know anything about people. Taking responsibility and offering sound ideas is a good way to get yourself fucked double-quick. In the military and corporate world, the most competent subordinates aren't chosen for promotion, but are targeted for destruction. The only "leadership" characteristics that are valued are the abilities to lie, manipulate, and pass the buck.

[@Varlwyll]

@@slappy8941 this. In the military, taking responsibility is only valued in people who cant blame someone beneath them. Someone like Jocko is a rarity in the military and in life generally. In 4 years of service I probably met 2 people who had his mentality.

[@esfitnesspro2455]

Competency is power.

[@wetyewruyrtsutrdhjfg]

I was (and still am) in an environment that doesn't encourage extreme ownership. What Jocko says is a beautiful and inspiring thing. However, it only works when EVERYONE takes responsibility. You know what happens when you have a team of 10 and 3 people don't take ownership? Let's say that a problem arises. 2 people look at the problem. Hm, how should we solve that problem? Ok, that's do this and that. 5 people agree and follow. "Hey those two are pretty good. I'll support them." What do the 3 remaining guys do? They say "Goddamnit those two guys fucked up and now they have to solve their own shit? Man, incompetent employees are everywhere!! What do we have to do to get good help????" Gossip gossip gossip. The five people get influenced. "Oh....so those two guys were the ones who caused the problem. That's why they took responsibility." And the two guys get a bad rep FOR HELPING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. What happens in future? The two guys either step aside or ARE FINGERED WHEN ANOTHER PROBLEM ARISES!!! "Oh look, another issue. Probably it's those two guys who caused it again! What fuckups!! HEY BEAVIS AND BUTTHEAD, YOU CAUSED THIS. NOW SOLVE IT." That's what happened around me. That's why I don't try to help in teams. I TRY TO SOLVE MY OWN PROBLEMS IN MY LIFE AND IMPROVE MYSELF. I STEP ASIDE AND STAY INVISIBLE WHEN IN A TEAM.

[@TXP9]

Sumgai sounds like you have a few shitty members on your team. If an opportunity ever opens up, just get the hell out of that place, it’s not worth it.

[@WilliamTaylor-rr6zw]

That seems to be a problem with horizontal power structures. I don't think that would arise in a more vertical structure (1 of the 10 is a designated leader)

[@RHales-vu2ie]

Where can I learn management stuff like this? example: "ownership stops when someone takes blame and then implements a solution." I actually read the book and many others but never grasped this.

[@teambeforeself6839]

I’ve seen this come out now as everyone just takes ownership, but turned it into a auto response. It should be to solve the problem... damn, you just said it😂

[@justinfreeman4614]

I typically think of it as a delineation between who is responsible vs who/what caused the issue. I'm a commander and there are often several dozen to a hundred people who might have caused an issue, but I am the one responsible for the issue. More importantly, myself and several dozen to a hundred people typically can do something to prevent or mediate the issue.

[@twitchosx]

I'd LOVE to see what Jacko think about "Over There". The tv series that was on FX for a season. Bunch of grunts and then they have to help the others military to help them, etc. I'm watching his interview with Joe Rogan right now and damn. Lots of what he's talking about reminds me of that show. I'd LOVE to see a reaction even in the slightest to that show. For some reason, it seems like one of the best military based shows I've ever seen. I saw his 2 reaction videos to movies but this was a TV show. Anybody else want to see that?

[@pepleatherlab3872]

It's a very similar circumstance in business/wall street/finance. The buck never stops. A rolling loan gathers no loss until ultimately, they push their losses onto the American public with currency inflation. The casino never closes because they are now under the impression that sovereign debts will never effect the currency itself.

[@theshownoller6893]

Excuse me Mr Jocko, I was wondering if you could do a podcast on how to identify weakness and or areas that you need to improve, i believe I do want to know what I’m weak In because I then can be a better version of myself. I was wondering if you had any tips to identify weakness in yourself, because it’s very easy to see weakness in other but harder to see see weakness in yourself. But love your work Thank you

[@cracklingvoice]

I'd highly recommend "Can't Hurt Me" by David Goggins if you want some tools toward your goals.

[@rob338lapua]

Classic case was fast and furious, but without people being fired over it.

[@JoCo480]

Fast and furious wasnt logically flawed those people who wanted weapons will get a weapon, they are in abundance so why not make sure it's one of yours that you can track, but then people get a hold of this info and shit themselves thinking "oh no that's so wrong those people are bad" but the outcome would've been the same either way.

[@Vanpotheosis]

I lived by the extreme ownership and accountability principles for a few years. It ended up biting me in the ass and taking accountability for other peoples shit ended up making me take a few write up for guys under me. Before long, everyone assumed I was a shitbag that "always got in trouble" and everyone else was too happy to use me as a guy to push onto the sword. If you hold yourself to a higher standard, don't expect other people in your organization to live up to that standard. There's a chance they'll use it against you if it serves them. Tl;Dr If you're the only guy taking ownership, every other guy is gonna take advantage of that to fuck you over.

[@theonereborn9299]

I saw the title and thought to myself, "is this even a question?" Never

[@VincesInHocSigno]

Owned.

[@raidone7413]

17:08 when jocko pulls out the knife

[@drh2098]

JACKO WILLINX!!!!!!! HYPER BADASS DUDE YOU KNOW HOW MANY POOR GOAT HERDERS THIS DUDE MERCED BACK IN THE SHIT? FUK Yea!

[@brianpike3166]

Dichotomy of Leadership

[@ebersonmaodeonca1085]

Good morning ... 04:34 ... # discipline

[@jakenicholaides3214]

A bit more ownership going around and the attitude to fix the problem instead of shield from initial blame would make the world a lot less complicated and a lot more productive. 👍

[@fugazi6611]

Am I the only one that caught what Jocko was about to say @ 8:23? Haha!

[@mbfmotorcyclesboatingfishi6779]

All these corrupt people need to be punished

[@GarbageDanks]

Extreme ownership stops when she's says you drink too much.

[@slappy8941]

When she is says?

[@devjimmy]

@@slappy8941 Dude is drunk at this very moment.

[@stza16]

She's says by the seashore.

[@thatomofolo452]

Exactly that 💯

[@asswhole4195]

Hey Jonko, do you think Magnus or Hikaru will win on Thursday?

[@HEOEvgeny]

Extreme ownership ends when problem is gone 🙋😎

[@shawnbezz8899]

perfectly said.

[@edendrake8054]

First off, huge fan, love the podcasts, online buying merch right this second. Secondly, my actual question. Jocko, how could this be used to fight the problem of some racist cops in America / the George Floyd thing?

[@falkaa88]

All very well, but where is The Thread?

[@bryanclark7608]

it never stops, get some, out. rinse and repeat

[@jasonmowrey2845]

Can you become a fully trained seal in 4 years in navy my cousin claims it

[@ayeyobossman6151]

get don shipley to verify that

[@thatomofolo452]

Solve for x 🙆‍♀️

[@ahmedalmoaber8952]

How far is the stadium Sir? Scratch that it doesssn't mattttttttttttter..

[@Norannmcguire]

Sold children to fight the war

[@annache250]

I wish our current president would take extreme ownership of this crisis and offer clear solutions instead of blaming local and state leaders. I guess the specter of being fired (voted out) is too great of a risk, so contradicting his own administration and playing the blame game is a tactic he must resort to.

[@Varlwyll]

The president doesnt have nearly as much power as you think he does and any solutions offered would be summarily rejected.

[@losmiercoles]

Me at the beginning of the video: Nice question, let's see how he gets out of this one! Me at the end of the video: Mind=Blown Well explained as always, learned something valuable once again today, thank you!

[@АлександрВавилкин-л4е]

Yeah... The whole video I ve been thinking about how much upside down in Russia things are) Everybody would think Jocko is crazy. But he is right though, If I would have known him before I would be in a much better place by now

[@joshhorley2116]

CHECK PLEASE

[@OpenWgamer]

"Extreme ownership" is a bit misleading since it basically is just taking accountability for ones own actions.

[@olyviabui590]

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[@johndecker267]

Did anyone else lose all "The Thread" podcasts on here or was it just me?

[@nbk1999swish]

john decker I believe they changed the title

[@olivierchevarie6537]

@@nbk1999swish do you happen to know the current title?

[@joshSmacknMouths]

17:00 lol.

[@calvin7346]

When you don’t lie about it.

[@jeremy5598]

Extreme Ownership = Get Gud

[@AshishChauhan-rf5pg]

Check

[@theEstebanPeralta]

Echo looks jaaaaaaaaaaaaackedddddddddddddddddd

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[@renata_brajkovski6677]

Wow, only 28k views....

[@stanleymaestas5441]

the buck stops here!!!

[@wateringthefate3890]

If your a link of the chain your in lock down from the other links you must do and think the same as the other links so the master can will you at his pleasure even if it's to your deaths !

[@jimmythuhand]

Listen, I’m suicidal- no gf, no family close to me, no friends that uphold my virtues..just lost my job.. but I CANNOT quit. I don’t know why. I’m a hiker and in shape and last time I stood over the mountain with one foot out thinking it would just be so easy to take that extra step..but goddammit there’s that piece of shit voice in my head that just calls me a coward every time I have these thoughts. I don’t know what it is but I absolutely refuse to quit..I just can’t. I literally can’t explain my desire to live.

[@Sandlin22]

Good lord pre read those questions lol

[@MrSilus2000]

It stops at O4. That’s where you are the one being extremely owned.

[@juanmartinreborati7928]

Shouldn't we take ownership of all the problems of the world?

[@edmundopearson4752]

Somebody should explain this to these managers in this country and he's at CEOs in this country with their policies no wonder why Americans don't want to work anymore

[@dm20422]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@BlaineKK37]

So I should try and be better at my job instead of blaming all my problems on my boss? Lol yea no that's not happening.

[@thisisalie123]

Earliest I've ever been on a video lol

[@myessyallyahamericus8405]

honestly with all of my heart you have no idea how close you are to hanging in a tree. i havent the words to describe how much you all are worthy to speak anymore to me. you steal to much from the species when you do.

[@myessyallyahamericus8405]

the truth? to all men serving in the united states of america that have children. because the work that youve done is such so little worth to our country i had to pay with my own works profits for every bite of food your children have eaten because what you earned our country was honestly never enough to feed them. it was me who has paid every last drop of water and the fluid in every bottle. that was my sweat and my engineering expertise and my individual strength that had to pick up the tab so your babies wouldnt starve to death. their fathers only lost money and bankrupted their families. ive been more of a father to your kids than you. i paid for the roof and the food. thats the actual financial truth. you can tell them im their step dad who looked out for them more than their biological father ever had. sadly its true.

[@maxdeltamax5121]

ownership, responsibility and being an adult are all the same thing!