Atheist and Frank discuss the meaning of atheism!

In an unusually amicable discussion, Frank is approached by an Atheist student to discuss what it really means to identify as an "atheist" and "Christian" these days. Plus, in a moment of refreshing honesty, this student admits that choosing to follow Christ would not be a matter of proving it all to be true, but whether or not he agreed with its moral standards.
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[@duanelinstrom4292]

That’s a hard question. I firmly believed in God, but I didn’t want to follow God because I wanted to do what I wanted to do. After some soul searching I finally decided the wisest thing was to take His offer and follow God. I was 7 years old. Now I’m 82. Incredibly blessed, and still following.

[@Netomp51]

Amen !!!

[@gingercake0907]

@@wma5440 It’s definitely the attitude that Jesus says we should have when submitting to God. “I assure you: Whoever does not welcome the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it. Luke 18:17.

[@walterdaems57]

Well, I’m 66 and I rejected god(s), religions and the mediocre prophet Jesus all my life and I’m very happy I did so because it’s a drug worst than any other.

[@walterdaems57]

@@gingercake0907this mediocre prophet who lured a lot of his audience with the promise that they wouldn’t need to get circumcised also said: 'If you want to be my disciple, you must, by comparison, hate everyone else-your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple.' Do you know that such a demand differs in nothing from the very first demand of every, narcissistic, sociopath; control freak, pimp, cult leader. If your daughter would come home with such a boyfriend I really would like to be a fly to measure your appreciation and approval of her choice. And he was definitely a conman given the fact that he had the audacity to call himself son of a non existent being.

[@lightninja4795]

@@walterdaems57 I did not know buildings could build themself could you show me.

[@MR-yx8hj]

Both sides were respectful and a good conversation came about.

[@mnight207]

Agreed. But the guy isnt a logically thinking human being

[@frankcardano4142]

@@mnight207 Why? Even if Christianity were true, the gif of the bible is an atheist. He doesn’t believe he was created by god.

[@mnight207]

@@frankcardano4142 Youre missing the point. Frank asked him it it were true. Which means if we KNEW for a fact we were created by God would you be a follower of Christ and he basically said NO. Thats illogical

[@frankcardano4142]

@@mnight207 No it’s not illogical. I think he even states he would believe it but he wouldn’t follow his immoral commands to kill his own son. Would you?

[@frankcardano4142]

@@mnight207 Also, Franks “Gotcha” question has problems which is why non believers are stumped. It has nothing to do with an issue of the heart. To what I understand, being a Christian requires us to believe on faith. If Christianity were proven true, we wouldn’t need faith. So being a Christian would no longer be possible under that definition.

[@jeffvlahovich5707]

Gotta love how Frank shows love and respect while disagreeing.

[@allenjohnsonh.ch.5041]

Likewise I & Exactly beloved brother & Co-religionist, I'll corroborate that that's the sacred-scriptural apologetical attitude-behavior epitome. Wishings of wisdom for you & your fam. 👋🏽👊🏽💪🏽🫂☮️

[@therick363]

I’m sorry but I’ve heard enough from Frank to say he isn’t respectful when it comes to talking about atheism/atheists and science/scientists. He misrepresents the topics.

[@pescatoralpursuit1726]

I'm not so sure he's showing either by demanding someone to outright reject Jesus Christ with his patent leading question. Neither do I think he's being wise in forcing one to solidify their doubts.

[@pescatoralpursuit1726]

@@therick363 Misrepresent in what way?

[@therick363]

@@pescatoralpursuit1726 well the east one-“I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist”….doesn’t take faith. Frank also acts like atheism is more than just a position. It’s not. He talks like he knows more about atheism than actual atheists. He acts like all science and scientists agree there was a beginning to the universe…that’s not true. He cherry picks science.

[@JesusGarcia-Digem]

Although I'm reformed, I appreciate this content. God bless.

[@Luvallo]

What do you mean by reformed?

[@28isaac28]

@@Luvallo Reformed Theology maybe? Might be referring to Calvinism?

[@thedrivengospel14]

@@Luvallo I think that means he’s a calvinist?

[@danmalone8378]

Calvinists and determinists have tried to lay claim to all of reformed theology. Which is of course ridiculous as every denomination that stemmed out of the reformation did not agree with Calvin. But nonetheless, they try to say it's theirs. Which is interesting when they also now state that they don't believe in free will. That's why he is saying that "although" and implies he can still appreciate it. It's because he holds a misinterpreted view that people don't have a choice. Which is you follow to it's logical conclusion makes God the author of evil, which He has said in His Word that He is not.@@Luvallo

[@hlulanikuhlulamathonsi322]

Thank you sir for your ministry. I am following and learning from your teachings/answers. Watching from South Africa

[@daduzadude1547]

Hey there, Go watch Lloyd de Jongh He’s a fellow South African making waves in the polemics world. He’s currently doing a series on atheism

[@hlulanikuhlulamathonsi322]

@@daduzadude1547 thank you

[@juniorcrimebreakers2807]

That's awesome to hear. Greetings from the US!

[@daduzadude1547]

He really delves deep into any subject matter, and is one of the top experts in the world on Sharia law, the pagan roots of IsLame, and the truth about the Talmud. Now he’s unveiling the roots of Atheism 😊

[@justingary5322]

SAME HERE DUDE 😎. Well Atheism is nonsensical and presuppositional blanket statement that one is not convinced of the existence of God or gods without any reasoning for doubting the existence of said God or gods. May The Grace of The Lord God be with you brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 22 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolution nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

[@festushaggen2563]

Atheist: a person who full well knows God exists by all creation but really wishes He didn't. A prideful person who rejects God's authority for their own. A person who will be judged by this same God for their sins unless they repent and believe on Jesus Christ for their salvation.

[@Mavors1099]

That's not an atheist

[@chloemartel9927]

Festus, totally agree.

[@larzman651]

Yep that's an athiest

[@VindensSaga]

@@Mavors1099 As some other folks have pointed out in the comment section. There is no clear definition about atheism until an atheist feels she or he has been misrepresented but some people who claim to be atheist are angry at a God in which they are supposedly don't care about god because they're an atheist.

[@thebrickaniac]

That’s not true. As a Christian, I know that there are people who don’t believe. It’s much easier to tell people about god when you understand what they believe

[@joshuagraham2940]

Without God all crumbles in the end.

[@MartTLS]

You can hope a god exists but that doesn’t mean one does .

[@chloemartel9927]

Amen Joshua.

[@finnhuman1599]

@@MartTLS Doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

[@MartTLS]

@@finnhuman1599 No you’re correct but you can apply that method of reasoning to suggest that anything is ultimately responsible but it won’t help you to determine what actually is .

[@finnhuman1599]

@@MartTLS It just seemed like a pointless comment to make. It comes off as just trying to be hurtful to the person you replied to for no reason.

[@robertramsey653]

This is how these conversations should be. It's very difficult to have a conversation like this on social media, which can be a sewer sometimes. A lot of people have either never been taught how to disagree without insulting, or they just dont care. That's not how you get your point across.

[@aj_hammy]

I love how this atheist (now agnostic) is not the regular in-your-face kind of a person. He is honest in his enquiry, and is open to go where evidence would lead him. Be it an atheist or a theist, this attitude should be universally followed. Beautiful video!

[@Almighty_GOD]

BOTH THIESTS ARE THE SAME..THE DIFFERENCE THE DISTANCE A IS TO THE THIEST THEN THE A IS FOR THE ATHIEST...Now if FRANK got the athiest to see hes agnostic...thats great but the book He recommended STEALING FROM GOD makes me want to command the agnostic to present to me what he learned

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

@C L There is not "overwhelming evidence already that God exists...". I'm an atheist because it's the most honest position to hold. I don't care either way if a god or gods exist. I just have a belief in things that have epistemic justification. Being convinced of a god or gods existing is not one of them. Every argument I've ever heard is flawed and is not a sound and/or valid syllogism.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@cl6693 none of those arguments are evidence based

[@mbb--]

You are a very optimistic person.

[@criticalthinker2477]

@@cl6693 I find it interesting that most arguments for god have to do with how everything started 13.7 billion years ago which scientists are still trying to figure out. What about in the last 2000 years since your god supposed lived for a few decades, died as all humans do, never to be heard from again (again as all humans do after they die). No answered prayer other than what would happen from random statistics. Good and evil happen at random. Sure don't see any "overwhelming" evidence.

[@mediaphile]

Atheism is not believing in a god. A-theism. No believing It is not an assertion that gods don't exist. It's not believing, generally due to a lack of any incontrovertible evidence, that one exists. Agnosticism is not believing that we could know if a god exists. A-gnostic. No knowing. Agnostic does not mean "I'm not sure." It means, I don't think there's a way for us to know. If some being did present itself as a god to me, I would still be doubtful that it was the supreme being that created the universe and rules over everything. And even if I was pretty sure, I'd still rebel against it, because he's a shitty god. He could have made the universe perfect, but he didn't, but still expects us to believe he's omniscient and omnipotent and omnipresent and omnibenevolent. It's ridiculous.

[@darcymr353]

I would also give him an earful and even try to kill him if I could. Thankfully I'm as worried about facing god when I die as Frank is about facing Allah.

[@Woc413]

I hope God moves in his heart and reveals the truth of salvation and what a relationship with Christ means that he may believe and be saved!

[@theturnersontheroad4537]

Amen, Thank You Jesus

[@MartTLS]

I hope I’ll win the lottery but it’s unlikely. The likelihood that a god exists is even less likely.

[@tonymaurice4157]

Abiogenesis is a failure

[@dariustanz8030]

I hope God moves my heart too, would love to believe I have eternal life

[@MartTLS]

@@tonymaurice4157 Still demonstrating your ignorance I see .

[@Goutetsuuk]

Gosh...... It takes a lot of effort to be an atheist

[@Vnp99]

Takes more effort to believe in an ancient carpenter zombie to have resurrected and eat his body and drink his blood as remembrance of his sacrifice to save you from himself.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

How so?

[@MrTheclevercat]

If I had to deal with the cognitive dissonance of a religious person I'd be very depressed. Believing in something when the universe and facts work against those beliefs must be very tiring. Explaining everything you don't know as magic makes some of that a bit easier though LMAO

[@anguschiggins2161]

Not really. Not believing in something until there is evidence is the default position. Believing things without evidence, now there is a heavy lift.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

Weirdly, I find reading the Bible to be much easier as an atheist. I don't have to constantly construct lame excuses for why two passages don't seem to add up, or why God is commanding genocides or causing plagues. It's a human book with human errors, and I can just let it speak for itself.

[@ryanaaservantofthelordjesu9923]

Brother Frank: So if God exists and you disagree with his commands, then you would go your own way? Atheist: Yes. Me: SMH! That's like a new age Atheist saying, "There is no God and it's fact." Both positions are completely absurd, smh. Now I will say that many people claim to be Christian, but yet, they don't obey God and follow his commandments. And as Christians we know that the judgement first starts at the house of God. 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

Why is that absurd? If Molech existed, would you immediately start burning people on alters?

[@justingary5322]

FACTS. I feel sorry for Atheists like this guy because Atheism is self righteous, self defeating nonsensical and presuppositional blanket statement that one is not convinced of the existence of God or gods without any reasoning for doubting the existence of said God or gods. May The Grace of The Lord God be with you, fellow brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless brother Frank Turek and Cross Examined ministry. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 22 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolution nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

[@coffeetalk924]

No, an agnostic says I don't know. An agnostic atheist says I don't know, and I'm not convinced by your claims. That is a position on knowledge and belief. You can lack belief in X without taking an affirmative position on faith. It's called the rejection position. It's like not knowing whether there are an even or an odd number of stars in the universe. You can lack belief in anyone's positive claim, while not actually defaulting to a position of faith. THAT ISN'T A "COP OUT" FRANK Frank is horribly confused

[@maxdoubt5219]

Imagine you are on a guided tour through a beautiful jungle. You and your guide come upon a moss covered rope bridge across a deep chasm. Your guide says, "Cross, it's safe." The difference between faith and trust lies in which side he's saying that from.

[@nathanielalderson9111]

I like that. One issue with it is the analogy breaks when applied to Christianity. Jesus did not promise we would be safe in this world, when following Him. He specifically stated the world will hate Christians, because they first hated Christ. He warned some of us will be hunted, some of us killed, some of us rejected and persecuted. Going back to your analogy, Jesus says "trust me" from both sides. He doesn't say it's safe.

[@maxdoubt5219]

@@nathanielalderson9111 Nope. Just do a bible search and you will find many passages stating the God/Jesus promises "protection" and "safety" for believers.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

You can see the moss rope though. Where is god?

[@nathanielalderson9111]

@@maxdoubt5219 sure. They aren't contradictions. They are time and context sensitive. We eventually will be safe. All who believe in Jesus Christ and Him crucified will be saved. Some of us will barely scrape in, with loss, but still saved. All who reject Jesus Christ will not be saved. And we will face the consequences of what we do. You guys think in Either / Or, Must. But you need to understand. God is a person, and you cannot force Him to do anything. He will do as He wills. And He gives each one of us the free will to choose to be with Him for eternity. His promises are Yes and Amen. (Including the if you do bad you will be punished promises.) Obviously a good dad is not going to give his son access to power tools without safety lessons first. Otherwise the son could do serious harm to himself and others. We ate the fruit. We wanted to become like God. He's giving us the room and opportunity to try. And the lessons that humanity continues to not learn is no matter our progress, God still has to come down to meet us, because our efforts aren't enough to get "there". This Earth is the battleground. This is the school room. This is the nursery. We are not ready for adulthood yet.

[@nathanielalderson9111]

@@TheTruthKiwi I don't understand your question or challenge. I don't have enough context for it sorry.

[@chosenone8408]

3:20 The atheist is (again), trying to use the story of Abraham and Isaac as his crutch for not adhering to the Bible. In the atheist’s head he’s thinking, “If God tells me to kill my son, that’s immoral, so I won’t do it, therefore your God is evil.” Blah, blah blah. Here’s the problem. The atheists NEVER finish that story. So, I’ll put on my Dana Carvey imitating Ross Perot hat and ask, “Can I finish? Can I finish, can I finish, can I finish!” The story ends with Abraham NOT killing his son. Why? Because the story-the lesson to be learned-is to obey God’s command, even when you do not understand why. Want to know why this is 100% logically sound? Because parents do this all the time! Parents constantly tell their kids to do something that the kid doesn’t want to do and doesn’t understand why they’re doing it. But you (the parent) do! Because you have a firmer grasp on reality than your child does. THAT is the lesson or the comparison to be learned.

[@logicalatheist1065]

There's no good reason to accept the Bible as true

[@chosenone8408]

@Deston Swan Using “nothing” to justify the creation of our universe is what idiots do.

[@chosenone8408]

@@logicalatheist1065 There is no good reason to accept atheism.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@chosenone8408 atheism isn't something you "accept" you either believe in gods or you don't. Atheism is logical and reasonable as no god has ever been demonstrated to exist

[@chosenone8408]

@Deston Swan I see, so as atheists mythologize Darwin-who admitted his “theory” was DOA-is an intellectually profound, and mic dropping moment. LOL Tell me more!

[@spencergsmith]

Translation: I’m the god of my own life, and I’m unwilling to submit to anyone, even if they are objectively wiser and more powerful than me. Pride is the most dangerous sin.

[@chloemartel9927]

Yep. Atheism/Secular humanism....blurred lines. Both deadly.

[@frankcardano4142]

Would you kill your own son if god told you to?

[@spencergsmith]

@@frankcardano4142 that's a nice bait, but I won't take it. If I say yes, you'll say I'm a horrible human being, and if I say no, then you'll say that I don't trust God. God wouldn't tell me to kill my own son. Frank explicitly explains in the video why God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, and I know that if I believe that God commands me to kill my son, then it's not truly God.

[@frankcardano4142]

@@spencergsmith How do you know god wouldn’t ask you to kill your own son? Where are you getting that morality from?

[@chloemartel9927]

@@frankcardano4142 Frank you know better. Try to be better.

[@charlesadams41]

"If God existed and...." Which God? The Jewish god? The Christian god? The Muslim god? These are all mutually exclusive, i.e., pick one cuz believers in the others are headed to hell. And if choosing the Christian one; is it the Catholic one or the protestant one? And if it is the protestant one; is it the current one or the one from, say, the 1950's. Because what is 'acceptable' now and what was acceptable in the 1950's are very different (divorce, female clergy, LGBTQ tolerance, etc.). Who decided and approved these changes? People as a whole...society. Whether in the U.S., Europe, SW Asia; and from 1000 BCE to now, somehow 'our' gods have always held the same beliefs as we do...nearly like we invented them to back up our sense of what is morally acceptable.

[@TheRealTrucido]

If there were no God and no Satan trying to deceive people, wouldn't there only have been clear Gods of the Gaps? Why does the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) and Christian Bible (New Testament) have so much proof of the people, places, events and prophecies coming true? They weren't writing Comic books back then. These aren't fictional testimonies and events. So on and so forth... you should really look into Jesus with an open mind. Or if you want to continue thinking that the entire universe and everything in it came from a giant or small ball of nothing out of nothing, or whatever, then that is your choice. God provided proof. People saw that proof and died for it. Also on your note about acceptable behavior/society norms; There's a difference between trying to warn people and hating people. Hate is akin to Murder according to God. Sexual sin, be it heterosexual or otherwise is still a sin. Watching porn is the same type of level of sin as having sex with the same sex. We're all guilty of sin. True Christians are just warning people that their house is on fire and trying to get them to safety. The only person in history that is perfect is Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@DRayL_]

@@TheRealTrucido "Why does the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) and Christian Bible (New Testament) have so much proof of the people, places, events and prophecies coming true?" Very little of the Bible can be corroborated historically. A few places...a few people. But none of the supernatural claims can be. And how people have twisted and interpreted things to be "prophetic fulfillment" is irrelevant. This is just a "believe these claims as truth". Not actual verification of a claim. "Or if you want to continue thinking that the entire universe and everything in it came from a giant or small ball of nothing out of nothing, or whatever, then that is your choice." This isn't what science says at all. This is a continuing theist Strawman fallacy. "Hate is akin to Murder according to God. Any entity that would state such a thing is being ignorant. "We're all guilty of sin." A "god who requires your obedience" has to first be shown to factually exist, else the concept of "sin" is irrelevant. "True Christians are just warning people that their house is on fire and trying to get them to safety." And we've looked. No fire anywhere. "The only person in history that is perfect is Jesus." Baseless claim. BTW,...how could you know something was "perfect"? How would you provide the data points to back it up? Saying someone was "perfect" is meaningless.

[@nickbrasing8786]

I totally get why so many believers like Frank so much. He sounds so nice, knowledgeable and reasonable. But in my opinion he's one of the worst apologists out there. Anyone that I know is dishonest in his arguments loses all my respect. Period. Not saying he's being dishonest in this clip, but he is on other topics. And I know he knows he's being dishonest. And I just don't think lying for Jesus is the best way to spread the Gospel message. Personally I hate that.

[@logicalatheist1065]

Apologetics and being dishonest go hand in hand

[@briandrake6660]

He is saying his moral standard is higher than Gods

[@Mavors1099]

If that god ordered to kill his son, yes.

[@Vnp99]

Yes. You too must be moral than your God

[@Luvallo]

Honestly, I think that's rational position. I just believe Abraham had the privilege to know that God is not an evil God, who would love to have fathers sacrifice theirs sons and rather He is a loving God who takes care of His children. Probably he knew it was a test or that even if he sacrifices Isaac, God would ressurect him later.

[@juliogomez9145]

@@Mavors1099 In an atheistic worldview, why is that objectively wrong?

[@Mavors1099]

@@juliogomez9145 Ask an atheist.

[@templeOfChrist1994]

Makes no sense, stand up to give some argument and yet declines any offer even if it was right in front of him. Why even come up to ask anything in the first place?

[@anguschiggins2161]

I mean why would anyone dare come up and challenge Franks nonsense. How dare they?

[@Milocinia]

It's nice to see an atheist that has actually read Turek's book and is seeking. It's also scary to see how much his heart is set against seeing the truth.

[@ralphangel561]

The heart is desperately wicked who could know it.

[@trumpbellend6717]

"Truth" is demonstrated not asserted dear.

[@Milocinia]

@@trumpbellend6717 Truth can easily be asserted. I assert many truths every day of my life. Especially to those who speak in a condescending manner and think truth is relative, as your quotation marks seem to imply.

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@Milocinia "Truth" is best determined using FACTS & EVIDENCE dear not "faith". Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth Christianity conversely claims Absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@Milocinia _"his heart I set against seeing the truth"_ Lol *BELIEF IS NOT A "CHOICE"* or a mere act of volition. Sure someone can pretend to believe anything but the things one actually believe are not something you choose they are an involuntary response to one's level of information and understanding of their environment. You are either convinced or you are unconvinced and its EVIDENCE that convinces. I could not just make myself believe in pixies no matter how much I closed my eyes and stamped my feet. Anymore than you could right now "choose" to be convinced that God is not real or that the laws of gravity don't apply to you if you step off that cliff. Tell me could you genuinely "choose" to believe the internet does not exist and we are not having this discourse now ?? I'm talking about being CONVINCED of it bud not just pretending!! Give me an honest answer , could you right now "Choose" to believe in Thor or Zeus ??? 🤔 for exactly the same reason I can't choose to believe in Yahweh. Now if I recieved some irrefutable knowledge or evidence then I would have no "choice" but to believe, I would have to deny my own reasoning and senses. That what changes beliefs, not "choice" If you came home and found your spouse in bed with the neighbour, could you just "CHOOSE" to believe in his fidelity and go back downstairs to make him a nice cup of tea ?? 🤣😅🤣

[@rpminc1974]

Awesome back and forth the way it should be 👍

[@RS54321]

That's odd that Frank wouldn't reference 'thou shalt not murder' when the guy brought up killing his son. It's a false dilemma as God wouldn't tell his followers to do something that goes against his commandments.

[@bucmcmaster]

"...trusting in what you have good evidence to believe" is absolutely NOT the true definition of faith. For cryin' out loud, Frank......what dictionary are you using? Look up the word "faith" and you'll see, in ALL SOURCES, the true definition of faith is a belief in something for which there is NO PROOF. That means NO EVIDENCE, Frank. Faith is not required when there is evidence. Sheesh. Your followers just lap this stuff up, huh. You folks ought to learn to think rather than just accept.

[@DRayL_]

As an agnostic,....what you said here _should_ make sense to Turek and his followers.

[@RS-gh2mf]

Frank is cool and calm as usual 😎

[@mattslater2603]

He's just happy he's had his gender affirming surgery

[@darkeen42]

Yeah editing software helps substantially with that. When other people film them and post it he doesn't seem as calm and collected odd it's almost like his videos are cherry-picking the best of his b*******

[@RS-gh2mf]

@@darkeen42 let me guess, your nickname is "Cool hand Luke " 🤣

[@darkeen42]

@@RS-gh2mf what does the point of that comment? Is that what you do when you can't justify your beliefs?

[@DLF218]

but wrong 😉

[@AlVanFit]

Frank, love your work. I would love to see. you get on more big podcasts. Rogan, PBD etc.

[@darkeen42]

He's a fraud and he lies to you why do you like being lied to?

[@jeffphelps1355]

If definition are "subjective" like morality and truth then Franks definition of atheism is just as valid as an atheist or will the atheist claim objective truth when they claim misrepresentation

[@Mavors1099]

Definitions are conventional.

[@jeffphelps1355]

Conventional: based on or in accordance with what is generally done or believed. Is a objective definition or subjective

[@mustachemac5229]

Well, language changes and our use of words have fluidity. Example: Christians were considered atheists back in history during Roman times. Anyway, let's look a the word Theist: "a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe." Now, let's look at the prefix "A": which means not or without. So an Atheist is some *without* belief or does *not* have a belief in God or gods.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

Definitions are just a matter of convention. Languages change all the time. You don't need to know the "objective" definition of a word to understand what someone is saying. You just need to know what definition they are using.

[@davidnewhart2533]

Morality and Truth are not subjective.

[@Tyler_Durden987]

Respect to the questioner. If "God" told me to murder my child, regardless of what they could do after the fact... I'd say F you.

[@DRayL_]

Well, I wouldn't necessarily use those words, but I'd make sure it knew the morality in my own self.

[@seanpittaway5341]

If God was real nobody would need convincing, choosing to follow the petty, vindictive god in the bible is a different thing altogether. If you follow just because of a promise and a threat I'd ask does anyone truly believe or are they just wanting the promise and scared of the threat. If his son was resurrected then there was no sacrifice and free will is a lie with a threat and a promise

[@joegame4576]

i think you are under the false impression that god NEEDS everyone to be convinced. the bible clearly says in numerous occasions that only a small percentage will believe and will be saved. people are trying their best to convince everyone because they believe it's the right thing to do, not because they believe people NEED to be convinced. the promise and threat you speak of are just tactics people use to TRY to convince you. they themselves, while the promise and threat are true, believe not because of them but because they believe that jesus is the son of god who was crucified for their sins and was resurrected.

[@paulbogle8161]

Pride is a helluva drug

[@dcarts5616]

Taste the rainbow.

[@scrumpymanjack]

Atheist was right on point with his example of why he wouldn’t automatically fall in line with God. As the Bible teaches, God can be extremely violent and bloodthirsty. I wouldn’t want to risk having blood on my hands as a consequence of following him. No way.

[@blackhaze8233]

That's not what the Bible teachers or says... But while we're making things up. Why should I ever consider atheism when it doesn't seem any of you all know what you believe in. Or when your logic begins to fall apart you just double down on it or completely copout and say "we don't know".

[@markh1011]

@@blackhaze8233 _" you just double down on it or completely copout and say "we don't know"."_ When you don't know something, that is the intellectually honest answer to give. It's a better answer than 'we don't know so a god must have done it'.

[@blackhaze8233]

@@markh1011 no. That's just mental gymnastics and copping out. We know nothing produces nothing something never comes from nothing. We know life comes from life not non life... We know reason exist. Saying "we don't know" is the cowards and lier's way out of the answer. We also know that just because we can't see touch smell or hear something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[@markh1011]

​@@blackhaze8233 So when we didn't know what caused the weather the right answer was "god did it". While saying "we don't know" was merely "mental gymnastics and copping out. " 🤣🤣 You might want to think about your position a little harder.

[@markh1011]

@@blackhaze8233 _" Saying "we don't know" is the cowards and lier's way out of the answer. "_ Nope. That's intellectual honesty. Understand what these words mean. _" We also know that just because we can't see touch smell or hear something doesn't mean it doesn't exist."_ ....and? What's that got to do with your illogical statements?

[@nathanhine286]

Pray for this man, he is close, our Loving King is calling him.

[@LisaMichelle65]

Yes, yes yes🙏🙏

[@UltraAar]

@Deston Swan God isn't a creature. Hes the creator not a created being. Gotta get your definitions straight

[@UltraAar]

@Deston Swan LOL no he doesn't. A creature is created and by definition that doesn't fit the God of the Bible

[@UltraAar]

@Deston Swan so now you are saying mythical creatures were created? or the idea of them was created by humans? You arent using clear language and your definitions are weak

[@UltraAar]

@Deston Swan okay so who was the prime mover?

[@georgekantstandu4501]

God is a abusive spouse. I LOVE YOU, WHACK..... I LOVE YOU, WHACK.... IF YOU DON'T LOVE ME YOU GET ANOTHER WHACK PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE PLATE

[@sslauckland507]

Atheism just means you don't believe in any gods untill you see scientific evidence for it, thats it!

[@logicalatheist1065]

Or any credible evidence... There just isn't any

[@RBoas]

The question of whether or not you would do something that God commands absent of a relationship with God is not going to yield a sincere answer. Before having children, I don’t know if I would have declared, with the level of confidence that I would today, that I would lay down my life for them.

[@CaptainFantastic222]

If a god told me to murder my children I would tell that god to go F themselves

[@RBoas]

@@CaptainFantastic222 thanks for sharing

[@roberjohnsmith]

I always find the whole atheist contempt with God asking Abraham to kill his son is rich. The fact that atheists condone and sometimes encourage the over 3000 babies that are killed by their parents every day. That's over 3000 a day. I'm pretty sure the only people trying to stop all that bloodshed are Christians... so I just find it a really disingenuous gripe rhat there is one example where God asked someone to kill their son, and they act like God is immoral. It's definitely rich

[@shinywarm6906]

I wonder how far you would go if God were to speak to you one day, saying, "Take your son to the mountain top and make an offering of him to me"? Would you ignore Him? Would you take him to the mountain top as commanded? What would you answer if, like Isaac, your son asked what you were doing with the knife? Would you actaully kiill him? And what do you hope you would do?

[@moisestorres9618]

It’s like sons. They know I’m their father. They don’t necessarily want to listen to what I tell them. He seems like an honest person. Atheism has more to do with the heart than the intellect.

[@DRayL_]

How does atheism have more to do with "the heart" than the intellect??? Please elaborate.

[@shinywarm6906]

Only a father who is an egomaniac would want his children to echo every one of his opinions or values, or demand endless praise from them

[@rclarkson5]

⁠@@shinywarm6906From an earthly father I agree. But from God, who really does know everything, is it egomania that you should follow Him? He wants you to also be perfect. If your earthly father was as good as he could possibly be and treated you in the best way you could you imagine, wouldn’t you love him? And if you quit loving him through no fault of his, wouldn’t he want you to return his love? How could/would you communicate that love? By telling him how much you love him. The giant difference is that with God, you are praising His perfection. When I do something righteous, I praise my Father, God, for teaching me the right way to do something.

[@shinywarm6906]

@@rclarkson5 thanks. What's strange to me is this insistence on the personification of what should be an ideal. It makes the message not "praise love" or "esteem cooperation", but "worship the patriarch". Not only does it open the way to domestic tyranny, it leads to the tribalism that has plagued the homelands of Abrahamic religion in the Near East for centuries. When you claim to yourself that you've "done something righteous", but view it in these patriarchal terms, how do you make that judgement? The Israelis presumably believe they are doing "something righteous" when they bomb a Palestinian refugee camp. Hamas believe the same when they take an Israeli citizen hostage. Their holy texts, filled with tribal brutalities ordered by a patriarchal god, only reinforce that sense.

[@germanwulf40]

I think the dude's answer may have actually been "yes", but for some reason or other, he didn't want to voice that. I could be wrong, but that's my theory.

[@Mavors1099]

Exactly... You're wrong.

[@williamrutledge2588]

And what are his commandments? 1 John 3:23 “And this is his commandment, That we should (believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ), and (love one another), as he gave us commandment.” There are no other commandments required for “Salvation”.

[@blythethemad]

Frank's argument seems kinda disingenuous. Agnostic/Gnostic and theist/atheist aren't words describing the same thing. I don't understand why so many define Agnostic as simply I don't know. Agnostic/gnostic is about knowledge while theist/atheist addresses belief. I myself am a gnostic atheist as I both lack a belief in god and know he doesn't exsist. Just saying "you're agnostic" doesn't address the totality of the person's perspective. This is the first video I've seen of Frank's but it's pretty telling when he immediately has to justify a reason for committing a immoral act at the behest of god in a hypothetical.

[@pescatoralpursuit1726]

How do know God doesn't exist?

[@blythethemad]

@@pescatoralpursuit1726 how? I mean besides the Bible itself containing adapted mythology from other cultures, Judaism being inspired by a different religion, and pretty much all the stuff the Bible gets wrong about the natural world. The very concept of a God seems . . . . . just made up

[@user-jw1ld8tn2l]

Arms crossed says alot

[@Mavors1099]

Lol...

[@conman128]

Big fax

[@GameShark84]

So many cop outs, "I need more information" "I need more information".

[@frankcardano4142]

Yea we do. What’s your problem with that?

[@anguschiggins2161]

A wise man always asks more questions.

[@gangsterg1936]

@Deston Swan perhaps, but also consider what's at stake: death and eternal non-existence or death and eternal punishment vs. death and eternal communion with a personal God.

[@sidwhiting665]

@Deston Swan , the difference is there is tons of evidence for Christianity and zero evidence for leprechauns. Also, the worst case scneario if no leprechauns exists is you may never find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow; whereas the worst case scenario if you reject the salvation offered as a free gift from God, then you spend an eternity apart from him, by your own well-formed choice. . Saying "there's no evidence for Christianity" denies the over 25,000 early manuscripts of the Bible we have which agree to within 99.7% accuracy of transmission, the well-ordered universe, the fact that we know nothing material comes into existence without a source (and thus presupposes a non-material creator), testimony of extra-biblical sources, the rapid growth of Christianity in spite of tremendous persecution (no other worldwide religion grew without state sponsorship except Christianity) and a host of other arguments and evidence backed claims. There are literally TONS of evidence, so to compare Christianity to leprechauns is a false comparison from the start. . Suggestion: Try examining all the evidence for Christianity some day, and then after careful study decide if you reject it or not.... there's plenty out there to keep you busy for several years if you care to make the effort. If you do not care to make the effort....fine and dandy...but then you most certainly must give up making the claim that there's "not enough evidence" if you don't care to study it in the first place or risk being intellectually dishonest.

[@arielllerena8355]

I'd say a "cop out" is coming to an assumed conclusion with no objective verifiable evidence.

[@reggrunow1460]

Thinks "the matrix" is crazy...says god can resurrect your son...If you can't see the absurdity of this man, seek psychiatric assistance.

[@Mark-kh1ny]

I’ve no idea what evidence he’s talking about when he says “The preponderance of the evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, is that God exists.” To use preponderance and beyond a reasonable doubt in the same sentence, is a bit of an Oxymoron to be honest. I have a religious Mother, I went to church on a Sunday and Sunday school, I’ve had a fair stab at both sides, but as far as I can see, there’s not a single shred of evidence.

[@onsenguy]

That guy should have asked Frank: if it was true that the Olympian gods Zeus and Apollo and all the rest were real and they wanted us to worship them, would you? Or if the Hindu system was actually true, would you become a hindu?

[@chrispatterson8210]

He has actually addressed that before when an atheist asked "if atheism were true would you become an atheist". Frank responded that he would in fact become an atheist if it were true - because to not do so would be illogical.

[@onsenguy]

but the dilemma still remains that we have no knowledge of whether or not christianity is true. frank, being indoctrinated into christiandom since childhood, accepts "evidence" of christianity that would certainly not convince him if it were not connected to his religion. likewise, a devout hindu who grew up in india accepts "evidence" of the truth of the hindu system that wouldn't convince him if he were raised in a non-hindu country.

[@MrTheclevercat]

@@chrispatterson8210 Frank also doesn't have a clue what atheism is so that reply has no substance. He believes you need to have "faith" to not believe in what he takes on faith. It's the dumbest position you could possibly take publicly.

[@onsenguy]

@@MrTheclevercat very true. it's like labeling someone who doesn't believe in alchemy a "non-alchemist."

[@sweatt4237]

@@onsenguy It would be easier to believe this claim from Atheist if they didn't spend so much time acting in unison like a religion, burning resources and time trying to prove something doesn't exist. Ask me how many hours I have spent in comment sections trying to prove Leprechauns don't exist.

[@tonymaurice4157]

Abiogenesis fails!

[@Mavors1099]

You fail.

[@jamesw4250]

No It doesn't. It's accurate

[@lordtrikill1508]

Great video God bless.

[@8thMusketeer]

@@kingpeer14 Bless your spelling

[@8thMusketeer]

@@kingpeer14 ?

[@lowlygrinder2977]

God telling Abraham to kill his son was like a trust fall. Someone tells you to fall backwards, if you trust them you will, because you know they'll catch you.

[@jshadnot]

The literal definition of Atheist is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. The literal definition of faith is complete trust or confidence in someone or something. Frank knows this, so he was just straight up lying here.

[@liquidmiilk7764]

This guy seemed genuinely curious and somewhat open minded. Remember to 🙏

[@taylorthetunafish5737]

If god has a plan, then prayer is useless and blasphemy.

[@liquidmiilk7764]

@@taylorthetunafish5737 No, constantly throughout the Bible he tells us to pray. It's about obedience, not changing the future.

[@taylorthetunafish5737]

@@liquidmiilk7764 If it's about obedience, you shouldn't be asking for anything.

[@liquidmiilk7764]

@@taylorthetunafish5737 asking for something isn't disobedient. Solomon was promised one things of anything he ASKED for.. "Ask and it will be given to you, Knock on the door and it will be opened." Mattew 7:7

[@taylorthetunafish5737]

@@liquidmiilk7764 Obedience is doing what you're told to do, not asking for things.

[@metorphoric]

Wait, Atheism has multiple definitions? 🤔🤔

[@logicalatheist1065]

No, just lack of belief towards gods

[@justingary5322]

YEAH it's from dishonest Atheists not wanting to deal with the burden of proof

[@therick363]

@@justingary5322 shoosh justin. The adults are talking and we all know You are a flat out liar who can’t handle an adult conversation so you trying to say others are dishonest….is pure hypocrisy

[@TheRastacabbage]

So outside of nonbelief in gods, what else does atheism offer?

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@TheRastacabbage that's all it means a position of disbelief

[@logicalatheist1065]

Atheism, a position of disbelief towards gods. The most logical and reasonable position as no god has ever been demonstrated to exist, nor do they have evidence of existing...

[@I_am_Raziel]

It is rather belief that God would not exist. It is still belief.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@I_am_Raziel a god is a baseless assertion never met with evidence. Burden of proof is on the one making the claim a god exists

[@I_am_Raziel]

@@logicalatheist1065 There are plenty of NDEs here on YT (probably thousands). It is mathematically impossible that absolutely all of them would be lunatics, narcissists or liars. Logic dictates that at least some of them MUST be telling the truth. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@I_am_Raziel they most certainly can be... There's thousands of alien abduction claims, does that make some of them true (according to your logic) What about other religions that claim NDE as evidence for their religion? According to your logic their gods must be true as well.. Tell me, why hasn't anyone ever demonstrated any god to exist???

[@I_am_Raziel]

@@logicalatheist1065 Aliens most probably do exist. The universe is unimaginably big. What is visible to us is already extremely big (the light which can reach us) and it could be infinitely bigger outside of this bubble, we will never know. And yes, the same logic applies there, too. There are thousands of sightings. Reports which are going back hundreds of years back and further. Plenty of information on that, too. Even the US Gov has officially admitted that "something" is in the air. The so called UAPs. "We just don't know"

[@mrchicano6830]

Atheist do God's work! Scripture says by the end of times more and more will deny Him!!!

[@oscarmelgar3342]

Frank must be so happy Hitchens isn't alive anymore to call him on this bs, and misrepresentation or what atheists really is.

[@hry940]

Absolutely beautiful how this conversation goes. I pray for that man's heart to soften!

[@frankcardano4142]

Well you’d need to prove the bible is true first. 2000 years and no proof. It’s not going to happen.

[@Mavors1099]

Turek won't change.

[@unsightedmetal6857]

@@reality1958 If you're willing to discuss it, where is the severe immorality in the Bible? I know of a few examples of *apparent* immorality, but it isn't actually.

[@horace9341]

@@frankcardano4142 Try this for size Frank. In the world of gem stones there are 2 different categories, Isotropic, and Anisotropic, this has only been discovered recently, certainly within the last 70 years or so. It has only been discovered because of discovering how to filter light into straight lines, laser. Under a microscope when filtered light is aimed straight at an Isotopic stone such as diamond and ruby, it passes straight through and the stone just looks black and grey, when the same is done to Anisotropic stones such as Sapphire and Jasper, the result is all the colours of the rainbow and quite beautiful to behold. This is due to the compound makeup of the stones to put it crudely. So we have Isotropic and Anisotropic stones. Now the book of revelation was written over 2000 years ago when none of this was known, nor did they have the means to know this, yet revelation 21 lists 12 gem stones that are used in the building of the new Jerusalem, all 12 listed are Anisotropic stones that will radiate every colour when pure light is shone on them. There is no way that 2000 years ago this could have been known, not by man, anyway, but there it is.

[@mattslater2603]

@@horace9341.... yet Jesus didn't know the mustard seed isn't the smallest seed. We can play this game back and forth... all day long. Proves absolutely nothing

[@bryanoldenburg9870]

Frank Turek demonstrates a winsome approach to apologetics-- the best, in my opinion, to win people to the Lord.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

You can't come to magical entities in other dimensions through rationality and reason. It is irrational and absurd. Frank is deluded to the extreme.

[@justingary5322]

@@TheTruthKiwi NAH you're absurd doing this in comments sections about Christianity and theism

[@therick363]

@@justingary5322 shoosh. The adults are talking. You’re a demonstrated liar and hypocrite

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@justingary5322 I'm sorry if you don't like the truth Justin but that's just tough.

[@gangsterg1936]

@@TheTruthKiwi anti christian trolls are silly people.

[@eznight25]

My neighbors cat is an atheist because it lacks a belief in God.

[@DRayL_]

Atheism is a position. Cats don't have that ability.

[@eznight25]

@@DRayL_ So now atheists have attempted to change the definition of atheism again, from "lack of belief" to "a position" ?

[@DRayL_]

@@eznight25 A lack of belief _is_ positional. It is a rejection of "god claims" that haven't met their burden of proof.

[@eznight25]

@@DRayL_ It is logically impossible for a lack of a position to be a position. Furthermore, a rejection of a claim is the exact opposite of lacking a belief in said claim.

[@DRayL_]

@@eznight25 The position _is_ not having a reason to accept unfounded claims. 😕 Also, you can reject a claim....and lack a belief at the same time. I have no idea how you could think these as "the exact opposite".

[@CaptainFantastic222]

Atheism is not saying there is no god…. Some atheist might say this

[@DRayL_]

Correct. The "hard atheist" would for sure. But really, it doesn't take a "hard atheist" to say that something like the "tri-omni god" cannot exist due to the inconsistencies of such a thing. I'm agnostic and atheist leaning. I don't have all the knowledge of the universe to know whether or not a "god type entity" exists or can exist. But I have not seen any reason to believe it.

[@SuperEdge67]

Turek’s definition of faith is inaccurate.

[@logicalatheist1065]

All of his definitions are inaccurate

[@albertsmith6717]

Frank, I can't believe you said we could be in a matrix.

[@ramoth777]

I know Kung Fu...

[@paulbogle8161]

He said it was silly but that he would grant the possibility for fair debate

[@albertsmith6717]

@@paulbogle8161 To even entertain the possibility of living in a matrix is placing doubt in God. The prominent satanists are admitting they could be a brain in a vat and reality doesn't exist, basically living in a matrix.

[@paulbogle8161]

@@albertsmith6717 wow you commented was censored! I'm guessing just because it mentioned satanism. He did not entertain the idea in himself it was a conversation tool. Its not wrong to say 'for the sake of argument, I'll grant you that.'

[@NovusIgnis]

But we could. That's the entire point of faith. If you claim that you *know* that God exists, then you aren't relying on faith. Faith and knowing are mutually exclusive. You can't have faith in something you know. If you know, you know. There is definitely the possibility that were in the matrix. There's also the possibility that the vikings got it right and we're just one of the nine realms that sprouted from the organs of the first giant. Do I think withe rof those two are as likely as what the Bible says? No. But I don't know it for sure. Anyone that claims they know is being deceived, either by their own arrogance or by the works of Satan.

[@donovanscott8401]

You have to appreciate this fellas apprehension and even the bible talks about testing the word and seeing that it stands up. Dr Turek is awesomely patient and understanding and it’s indicative of the spirit working through him. I’d be curious to see a conversation between these two after he has read that book

[@satmat6566]

Wise response from Frank as he got directly to the point about God asking to murder your son and used the Abraham example to unveil the plan of salvation through Jesus Christ on that very same mountain of Moriya where God gave His son but saved Abraham’s son !

[@HansBezemer]

Well, if God is all powerful and forgiving, He could just have forgiven mankind. Would have been the decent thing to do, given all the blood and gore that comes with the current solution. Not really a story you tell your young children. And if he couldn't, would He really be all powerful?

[@satmat6566]

@@HansBezemer Sir , your argument does stand the test at all ! Even on a natural point there a lot things that you cannot persuade your kids ! For example evolution : The Big Bang theory From matter to the beginning of life From bacterium to human species Let us go back to Abraham offering his Son asked by God ! Did you know the pagan nations (Canaanites ,Hittites )at that time were offering their children to the their idols ? God tested Abraham : Are you able to do what the pagans could do unto their false gods ! In fact Yahweh intervened to stop Abraham from sacrificing Isaac !! You do not understand God’s character and His ways !! This is story that you should tell your kids !!

[@noncompliant4316]

@@HansBezemer Maybe God values justice, too.

[@HansBezemer]

@@noncompliant4316 Do you imply there are external ethics as a concept God has to adhere to?

[@noncompliant4316]

@@HansBezemer Not at all. Perhaps our external ethics are governed by God's own internal character.

[@xehanortasemka5539]

Atheist: A person who believes the prepositional phrase 'God doesn't not exist' is a true statement.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

If you proved god existed you would still have to prove which god it was!

[@rockzalt]

This is an excellent 'when rational answers become reasonable conversions' moment. This is why Frank earns the big bucks (metaphorically speaking). 😉

[@rockzalt]

​@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 It's always about how a person views the story about the widow's mite.

[@rockzalt]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Sounds like there's a trust in riches or trust in God issue. Is that between you, you're pocket book and God? Because that's over my pay grade.

[@rockzalt]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 You sound like you wanted financial advise. All that talk about how much to give or not to give.

[@markgoldsmith4209]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 No. While evangelists are to be supported by the church (1 Timothy5:18 Luke 10:1-12), we are not to place our faith in money. Paul who was an Apostle, worked on the side while evangelizing (1 Thessalonians 2:9, 2 Thessalonians 3:8) in order to eat without being a burden to the church. Plus, Paul at times had nothing (2 Corinthians 11:27).

[@markgoldsmith4209]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 And yet, you make a generalized statement for all churches when you base your opinion on some you have seen.🤣

[@maxdoubt5219]

Notice how apologists will never frame atheism correctly. Atheism is about _gods!_ Not just God. Billions of _religious_ people reject God: Muslims and Hindus mostly but many others. Atheism is nonbelief in, disbelief in or denial of _gods._

[@daduzadude1547]

Then show me a mosque of Satan …. Atheist movement is against the Christian God.

[@ifIcandoit777]

Well done Frank your patience is a great example 👍

[@darkeen42]

Yeah when you get edit videos and tell bold-faced lies the whole time it's pretty easy to stay calm. He's calling you and you need to verify his clearly baseless claims

[@andresdanielem]

​​@@darkeen42 didn't open a dictionary, why is the definition of copium and strawman here? lol.

[@ristomikkonen5255]

Some of Frank Turek's questions are partly irrational and partly immoral and he also leaves the opponent's important question unanswered. What an imbalanced, unfair way to push forward.

[@philb4462]

Frank seemed surprised that if God told this guy to kill his child then he wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it either.

[@DRayL_]

Yup. There wouldn't even be a hesitation. "NO!" is the only moral answer to such a request.

[@joegame4576]

@@DRayL_ that's because you don't believe in god. you can't say you wouldn't do it even if it was moral, because you believe it's immoral. that makes no sense. your morality is subjective. IF god exists, his morality trumps yours whether you agree or not.

[@DRayL_]

@@joegame4576 The "god" has nothing to do with it. The answer, morally, would be "no"! And there is no "god" that has a "moral standard". You think _yours_ does because of your indoctrination....but it isn't the case.

[@joegame4576]

@@DRayL_ if you want to leave god out of it, that's fine. it actually makes my case even easier. the answer has nothing to do with morality because there is no such thing as morality which means there's no such thing as moral standard either.

[@DRayL_]

@@joegame4576 Morality is merely a word _we_ have given for "what is right and wrong". There's nothing ethereal about it. The moral standard has been, and always will be, what we decide it is. And your next question might be, "what if everyone decides it is moral to rape people"? But questions like this are like a poisoning the well fallacy. It would only make sense if most people were willing to abuse someone. Most would not.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

Couple of thoughts (in no particular order) 1. It seems to me (And I Could Be Wrong) Agnostics live just like Atheists. You don't see a lot of Agnostics going to church. 2. After 2000 years (or in the case of Judaism 3500+ years), and some of the Smartest people to ever live studying/writing about this, saying "I Don't Know." what you are really saying is I Don't Want To Know.

[@rationalnuance]

Nope. Agnostics aren't persuaded by evidence for either position. That's all. Stop assigning dishonesty to people who aren't convinced by things you're convinced of.

[@anguschiggins2161]

The position of "I don't know" has no expiration date. As much as we don't like that we can't do anything about it.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

@@nikor9640 "some say truth cannot be known of God's existence. The latter is refuted easily" a Beat me to it!~ :-) My point is most of those who say they don't know, aren't really looking.

[@DRayL_]

I would probably answer the same way. If the Bible "god" proved to be the existing one, I wouldn't blindly embrace it. Especially if it _is_ how Christianity depicts it. I won't elaborate further on this, though. Each person must [and should] consider these things on their own,...not from a bias constructed by other people.

[@DRayL_]

@@gregbooker3535 The use of "mysterious ways" is just an attempt at rationalizing the cognitive dissonance.

[@DRayL_]

@@gregbooker3535 True!

[@silentghost751]

@@gregbooker3535 say you haven’t read the Bible without saying you haven’t read the Bible.

[@silentghost751]

@@DRayL_ say you haven’t read the Bible without saying you haven’t read the Bible.

[@DRayL_]

@@silentghost751 The problem is that when you allow yourself to see things from outside the preconceived and insisted upon bias, you can uncover what you never saw....which I have. As for your condescending reply,...please attempt to have civility.

[@bosston4613]

It’s pretty disturbing how Frank would have no problem killing his kid just because his psychotic god told him to, it shows what kind of guy he is

[@DRayL_]

The "ram caught in the thicket" is beside the point....and what is apparently lost on this story.

[@edwebber679]

Christians always hold up the story of Abraham as if it's a story that makes god worthy of respect. God says "Thou shall not murder", but then commands a father to murder his son as a test of loyalty. This is both hypocritical and immoral and christians also forget the story of Jephthah where god made a deal with him where he would sacrifice the first thing to come through his door and in exchange god would help him win his war, knowing in advance it would be Jephthah's daughter. God didn't stop the sacrifice in this case, accepted it, helped him kill his enemies and this is also considered "moral". So basically what Frank and others support is blindly following the commands of god....because it's god and anything he commands must necessarily be good, only because it's god. Under that mentality, anything immoral can become good, even murder, child sacrifice, torture...you name it. So while a good christian might feel justified murdering their own child, I would tell that god to go f himself, because any god who would require such an evil act of me...certainly is no god worthy of my worship! My morality is superior because I would not murder my own son or daughter, just because a god commands it.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Indeed. Me too

[@infinitelycuriousbyoliviag3380]

Nothing will make you an athiest faster than reading the bible.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Right!

[@rclarkson5]

Simply start out reading Genesis. The Creation revelation. Something the wandering Jews, thousands of years ago, thought was important enough that they took from oral tradition, and inspired by God, committed that story down to scrolls. Thousands of years later, scientists, 4:58 using mathematical concepts not available to those Jews, have decided the preponderance of evidence is, without using the word God, exactly as described in Genesis 1. First thing from the beginning of the Bible. How does that promote atheism?

[@JiraiyaSama86]

Strange. I recently, in the last year or so, thought about the concept of faith which coincided with how I view confidence. It was during college years that I discovered that confidence can be built and that ultimately it shouldn't be built from nothing. It is built on doing something and being successful at it. As I eventually internalized that more and more, I realized that the whole notion of just believing in yourself as if you just need to believe was false. Confidence is not built from nothing. That's wrong. It needs a ground - a firm one - to stand on. Anyone who really knows sports will tell you that the importance of winning is to build confidence. The success tells you you really can. Later on, that's when I questioned the notion of blind faith. Somehow I coincidentally thought that that notion of faith is wrong, and thought that to have faith, you need to have something. Something to build it upon. That made more sense. Similar to how you shouldn't just believe someone when they tell you a story. You need something. A little evidence or something solid, coherent, etc to push you towards the direction of believing. If you have that, then that makes your faith stronger than if you didn't base it off anything. And given some of the explanations I've heard from people about science being in favor, and listening and thinking about a few things, it makes more sense. You answering that definition about what atheism is just happened to coincide with what I already thought about faith.

[@Villicus]

Coincidentally, confidence > "con fides" > "with faith"

[@JiraiyaSama86]

@@Villicus interesting

[@johnboehmer6683]

The thing is (and Turek alluded to this), belief in God couldn't be further from the blind faith you speak of. A true believer has not just the many evidences from historical, archeological, philosophical, and testimonial sources to establish this belief, he/she has many personal experiences that validate God's existence also, and align with the Bible to bring virtual confirmation, this confidence you speak of.

[@mustachemac5229]

Agnostic: deals with knowledge or that one doesn't know. Atheist: deals with belief or that one is not convinced or doesn't believe. What horrifies me is when Christians are willing to do what God says (like destroying their child) and will justify that by saying, "Well, God can just bring them back to life." The ends don't justify the means and IMO... is completely irrational.

[@T0Mmichael1234]

Hi Mac 👋, hope all's good my friend. - *What horrifies me is when Christians are willing to do what God says (like destroying their child) and will justify that by saying...* Well, be horrified by that hypothetical no more Mac. Jesus Christ wouldn't ask for such a thing from His Christians. Peace my friend, talk later.

[@jrc99us]

Why would that horrify you?

[@mustachemac5229]

@@T0Mmichael1234 Hi Tom 👋 Doin good, glad to see you!💯 I understand what you mean but this is more about the Hebrew Bible (OT) and using a hypothetical. The guy was trying to give an example of when he would go against God. It was only a hypothetical. What would you do, Tom? Let's say God did ask you to destroy your child? Would you do it? I wouldn't.

[@mustachemac5229]

@@jrc99us Well, from my perspective, the idea that someone would destroy their loved one because God said so. I guess I see it differently than you do.

[@Software.Engineer]

@@mustachemac5229 I don't think you are fully comprehending who you are talking to. This would be the maker of all things, something that knows much more than you ever would, and has the power to right any wrong thing. With that I would assume that it can only be a good thing that is being asked, though i don't know the reason why. So I don't think you have considered all the attributes that are also at play

[@FreedomKat]

Some people just do not want God in there life and that atheist is showing it.

[@danielfriis9262]

Latin, the prefix A (such as in atheist and agnostic) refers to without following with a word. Theist being belief in god/gods. Atheist becomes without belief in god/gods. Agnostic in itself is meaningless. It is refering to knowledge, but knowledge about what? That is what needs to be specified, for examble: I am agnostic regarding the existence of god/gods. Meaning without knowledge regarding the existence of god/gods. If Frank is being gnostic regarding the existence of god/gods, he has knowledge regarding the existence of god/gods. Now we have demonstrated a consistent use of the prefix A. Frank here says that the A in Atheist means the negative position. Here the Atheist becomes belief in no god/gods. If Frank was being honest. "Agnostic regarding the existence of god/gods" would now mean knowing there is no god. But that is not what he means, demonstrating an inconsistent use of the prefix A. Further, Is Frank really surprised that the atheist would go against Gods command to murder his son? It makes it sound like that if Frank thinks he heard God command to murder everyone, Frank would say "okely dokely" and start doing Gods command. Here it would seem that the atheist is more moral than Frank. Frank is a dangerous person in comparison. One lose thought and he will go out an do "Gods words", whatever he imagined it to be. (wanted to imagine Frank saying "okely dokely" like Ned Flanders, or start making an epic rant like Father Anderson)

[@Mavors1099]

It's from Greek, not from Latin.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Mavors1099 Actually _both_ Latin and Greek employ 'a-" to mean without.

[@Mavors1099]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Nope, not in Latin

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Mavors1099 Again I stand corrected. Please keep challenging me. I want to rid myself of as many untruths as possible. I invite correction. So ‐ Thanks! Peace.

[@jayhawk2689]

How do these people think that creation just happened So assanine

[@carlossantiago5367]

When he mentioned that He would not sacrifice his son if God asked him to. The whole time I was thinking, if you only knew that is precisely what Jesus did for you. He died for your sins, so that you wouldn't have to die and live. If only you would believe.

[@walterdaems57]

If god existed there would be no need to prove his existence

[@TrevoltIV]

4:15 Nope, he wouldn't. The proof of that is that he doesn't. If they do not believe Moses or the prophets, they will not believe even if someone rises from the dead.

[@Bugsy0333]

It is very true that the Bible is not evidence for the supposed resurrection of Jesus, but it is all we have. Once we leave the Bible behind, there is no evidence for the resurrection of Jesus-it must be taken on faith or not at all. That in itself leads to the conclusion that the resurrection probably did not happen. Even if we accept that the gospels are reliable accounts unless proven otherwise, they are not satisfactory evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. An empty tomb is evidence of nothing more than an empty tomb; a story about an empty tomb is not even proof that there actually was an empty tomb. In fact, resurrection stories were not uncommon in antiquity, with Daniel Lynwood Smith saying, in Into the World of the New Testament, that neither Jews nor gentile converts would have seen the resurrection and ascent to heaven as unique or evidence of Jesus’ divinity.

[@RichardsGaySon]

I love how saying “i wouldn’t kill my own son if god asked me to” is considered irrational to christians🙄

[@usernametaken6659]

That's because we know He never would. He asked abraham as a test and scripture further says that such an action never entered Gods heart. People use it but it's a strawman argument because they are ignorant of scripture and who God is.

[@cliveadams7629]

Frank needs a new dictionary because he sure doesn't know what the work faith means. Then again, apologists like him just change the meaning of words to suit their purpose so you can never have a sensible discussion with them. I do agree with those who say they don't believe there's a god, it's pretty weak. Frank doesn't know for sure there's a god and more than I know for sure there isn't. Just that the evidence for any god is completely absent, no supernatural explanation required for anything we've seen in the universe ever.

[@cari6478]

The winds, waves, stars, sun, moon, trees, oceans, etc obey GOD. Princes and principalities know GOD just like Satan and tremble. Jesus Christ has authority over everyone and everything. Dueteronomy 16, Daniel 2, Psalm 2, Romans 13, Acts 5, 1 Peter 2, Titus 3, 1 Timothy 2, 1 Timothy 6, Revelation 1 🥰🤟🏻🙏🏻🕯🕊

[@lorischellenberg3219]

Absolutely love Dr Turek’s approach👍🏼 I’m learning how to defend my faith in God by watching these videos❣️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@walterdaems57]

Drug addicts tend to love their dealer also and since religion is the worst and most dangerous drug of all… :)

[@markh1011]

I only got halfway in but Frank's response is poor. "I just think that's a copout and it doesn't say anything about the real world" - Because sometimes we don't know the answers. When we don't know the answers it's not a copout to say we don't know. Frank is coming from a position here that you must have an answer to the big questions and if you don't have an answer then it's a copout. Are we trying to pretend we are omniscient? Are we failing if we don't have a placeholder answer? Did we have the answers to everything 100 years ago? Why should we be acting like we have the answers to everything now? *Frank's logic is tragically flawed.* Frank doesn't like the definition because it's harder to attack so he dismisses it with terrible arguments. Then Frank goes on to repeatedly stick to his definition of what atheism is and refuse to accept other definitions. I would never be so arrogant to tell someone that they weren't really a Christian. But then again I have more integrity and are without the desperation that Frank Turek shows.

[@sidwhiting665]

You're right: sometimes we don't know the answer to everything in life. But usually that is because we lack information, or much of the information is contradictory or takes an advanced degree of study to understand it. For example, we don't know if faster than light travel is possible, because no one has done it, and even some of the equations that suggest it is theoretically possible are so vast and complex that different experts in the field of physics differ on the interpretations those equations lead us to posit. . But that's not the case with historical Christianity. It is well-documented by sources both inside and outside the Bible, the language is relatively simple to where a high school student in the USA should be able to read it and understand the gist of 90% or more of it without any special study or commentary, the over 25,000 manuscripts of the Bible are plentiful and from very early dates while still agreeing to each other to within 99.7% accuracy which demonstrates reliability of data transmission, and the world-wide spread of Christianity without any state support is phenomenal and defies explanation if anything other than a world-altering event had occurred. Go back and re-listen starting around 1:00 mark. Frank says people who claim they don't know if there is a God are taking a cop out excuse when they say, "I need more information". There is a vast quantity of information to look at, but rather than making a careful study of what could be the most important thing they'll ever learn, they simply shrug and pretend like there isn't enough information for them to study. That is the very definition of copping out: ignoring the information that is all around you and easily available but then pretending like the reason you don't know is because you can't know, when the real reason is you're too lazy to make careful study.

[@markh1011]

@@sidwhiting665 The bible contains errors, contradictions, absurdities and immorality. It's a poor source to make a case for a god. _"and the world-wide spread of Christianity without any state support is phenomenal and defies explanation if anything other than a world-altering event had occurred."_ It doesn't defy explanation. People want to believe in religion. The promise of a wonderful afterlife will draw most people in. Islam spread quite effectively as well. Christianity isn't so special. _"That is the very definition of copping out: ignoring the information_ You're confused. I've seen all the best claims for the existence of god. They are poor. You have no idea what I've seen. You just made a lazy assumption. Which is ironic considering your post. Try to do better with the next post.

[@CounterApologeticsWithNara]

There isn't a discussion to be had here. Atheism is the position of being unconvinced that a god exists. That's it. Full stop. Frank's apologetics are terrible.

[@joegame4576]

your "full stop" stops all discussions. people were there to have a discussion. your opinions are terrible.

[@CounterApologeticsWithNara]

@@joegame4576 Yes, thank you for explaining that when I said, "there isn't a discussion to be had" and "full stop" does indeed stop the discussion. It was clear until you explained it so thank you. I gave the correct meaning of atheism. If you are trying to say it means something different you are wrong. Full stop.

[@joegame4576]

@@CounterApologeticsWithNara no problem. i don't have a problem with your definition but even if i do, i don't care that you think i'm wrong. full go.

[@CounterApologeticsWithNara]

@@joegame4576 If you have no problem with my definition then I do not think you are wrong.

[@joegame4576]

@@CounterApologeticsWithNara yeah i don't have a problem with your definition. i just had a problem with your "full stop" attitude. why, with that attitude, did you even watch this video and commented? if you really think it's full stop, i just find you commenting on this video ironic.

[@Mike-tc8ob]

I would think most would be thankful for some religions as we can see how many may be self-governed by their beliefs. to me it seems that we as humans need to think we have someone taking care of us even if there is not. To me, there is no greater miracle than the life on this planet and there is no need for a creator to have all the credit. if experience in life is all we really get, then I would suggest we all go get some.

[@carlossantiago5367]

Abraham didn't have to sacrifice his son, but because he was willing because he believed God, God told him to spare his son. Ironically, when Abraham was asked, He responded the Lord will provide a sacrifice. Without the knowledge of ever knowing that indeed he provided one then by the ram caught in a thicket by the horns, looking towards Abraham's future of there being an actual sacrifice "Behold The lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world"

[@Yahweh5995]

Yes Yahweh was showing Abraham what he was going to for the. Yahweh loved Abraham and told him about everything even about the destruction of Soddom and Gomorah . To sum it up he wanted to show Abraham what he was going to do in the future .

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

"The real definition of faith is trusting in what we have good evidence to believe." Are you kidding me, Frank? I defy you, or any Christian reading along, to present just one EVIDENTIARY FACT that substantiates the Christian faith. This question has never been (and apparently will never be) answered. Faith is an EXCUSE employed to justify believing in an _unobservable_ god WITHOUT any evidence whatever. Truth comports with REALITY, not the contrived emotional states of an imagined relationship with a mythical deity.

[@logicalatheist1065]

Well said bro 🤜

[@piotrbiedowicz1602]

In Poland and in almost all eastern culture, when we speaking to someone or asking questions, we don't put our hands into the pockets. This is a sign of disrespect to the person we talk to.

[@Embrachu]

Atheism means "godless", meaning one lives their life without believing there is a higher power who has a behavioral code for them to adhere to.

[@LastBastian]

@@skippy675 You're describing a Deist, *not* an atheist.

[@LastBastian]

@@skippy675 a·the·ist /ˈāTHēəst/ noun a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. A deistic god is still a god. If you believe in a deistic god, you cannot be an atheist. By definition.

[@rc....]

His problem isn't facts, it is not able to submit to God

[@guillermoelnino]

@@skippy675 I'd like y ou to talk about mus lims like y ou do about chr istians.

[@ekujj13]

What God is asking of us is really simple. Love Him for what He’s done for us. Then represent Him in the world by loving our neighbor. Then sharing His message to everyone. Easy to say….difficult to stop worshipping ourselves.

[@lonecrusaider]

So he's saying yea I think God's real but I have stipulations. I'll follow Him and do what He says as long as I agree with it.

[@Mavors1099]

Well he's not saying that he thinks that God is real, he's saying that supposing that there is a god, he would follow him only if his commands are morality acceptable.. which is very coherent.

[@THE-END-OF-TIMES]

If a man who claims to be a Christian says; "I don't know. We could be in the Matrix" - is that faith? Is he a Christian, a believer? Is he saved? If you KNOW God's Word then you would know what our reality is and you KNOW who HE is. I see a lot of if's, buts and maybe's in Frank's teachings. He is a very, very intelligent man. But I do not think he trusts God's word himself. I do think he is still trying to find his way. May the Lord bless Frank and his family.

[@crusher1980]

But you are not saved by the commandments. 1. Acknowledge you are a sinner and that you feel sorry for your sins/wrong doings (repentance) because ... (Rom 3:10) "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" (most people dont even think of themselves as a sinner) 2. Believe in thine heart that Jesus died and shed his blood for your sins on the cross, was burried and rose again on the 3rd day (1 Cor. 15:1-4) (Rom 10:9) "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Rom 10:10) "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." 3. Ask Jesus to be your saviour No commandments. We do good works and keep commandments because we are saved and are grateful for eternal life but we dont do good works to get or stay saved. Nobody can be 100% sinless, only Jesus could. Now if you keep living in sin as a Christian then you reap what you sow in the FLESH (1Co 5:1) "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife." (1Co 5:5) "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." Eternal salvation once newborn, God purchased our soul with his blood (Eph 1:13) "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," (WE ARE SEALED, CANT LOSE) (Eph 1:14) "Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." God also chastises his children when they do wrong, but you dont lose salvation.

[@patriot1303]

Debate starts out: Hi I’m going to be Frank with you…😬