REACTION: Psych Student Tells Frank He's Wrong

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[@dansaber5853]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

how come Jesus is begotten son of god father when Mary had no husband???

[@retruthdecliesny4435]

Why don't you read the bible, thats the easiest question to answer in the whole scriptures

[@retruthdecliesny4435]

You cant be christian and LGBTQ, I don't know why you believe that, but it's not true..... The scriptures are very clear, if you dont have the holy spirit you can't be a Christian, and the holy Spirit will not allow you to continue being LGBTQ, you will be changed, no more excuses about being born gay, you will be born again

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

@@retruthdecliesny4435 corrupted

[@formergoat]

"Professing to be wise, they became fools"

[@xXEGPXx]

Frank has said on numerous occasions that he is the smartest man ever born and that there will never be a man smarter than him in human history

[@phoenixgamer1565]

​@@xXEGPXxLiar.

[@Jasonjmcdonald]

@@xXEGPXx He must be the Wisest! :)

[@vladtheemailer3223]

Nothing more than name calling.

[@justin10292000]

​@@xXEGPXxPost the clip.

[@rightreasons7908]

They need to do psychological studies on students who go to college for two years or three years, and suddenly why they think they know everything.

[@Gek1177]

They know more than the people who go to zero years of college, which is most people.

[@rightreasons7908]

@@Gek1177 Elon musk didn’t go to college.

[@rightreasons7908]

@@Gek1177 to say someone who is 21 or 22 years old and has 3 or 4 years of college knows more on average than someone who is 50 years old and has ran a successful business for 30 years is just laughable.

[@Gek1177]

@@rightreasons7908 Actually Elon did, and he grew up as a rich kid in private school with tutors. He has two bachelor's degrees and attended 4 universities.

[@Gek1177]

@@rightreasons7908 and to say that running a buisness for 30 years makes you knowledgeable about anything beyond running your buisness is laughable.

[@allenbrininstool7558]

Every knee will bow

[@gi169]

Amen

[@mattslater2603]

Empty claim....

[@CiscoWes]

@@mattslater2603 Empty response

[@indigofenrir7236]

And every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

[@kaybee4132]

Amen!

[@Hupernike45]

Is Jake remembering correctly the details of his educational background to be able to say that Frank is wrong?

[@gimnasiomerliot2409]

😂 nice one

[@Hupernike45]

@@gimnasiomerliot2409 Thanks, but it comes from what I've learned from Frank and other wise Christian apologists.

[@johnboehmer6683]

I would be more interested to learn how this conclusion was reached. Someone please tell me, even if the study sample of which Jake is referring to was very small, say around 95 people, how those conducting the study were able to actually determine with 100% certainty the actual location and circumstance by which each of these people learned about 9/11? The premise reeks of absurdity, I'm surprised Frank didn't ask him about that.

[@Hupernike45]

@@johnboehmer6683 Frank's opponents in these discussions always give assertions without any evidence to support them.

[@mattslater2603]

​So Frank and Jake are both not credible?​@@Hupernike45

[@d454b]

I believe I was actually in my apartment getting ready to go to a college class. However, in reality... I was in my apartment getting ready to go to a college class.

[@spades9115]

OR, you just THOUGHT all that happened 😂

[@d454b]

@@spades9115 right. I thought that i believed it, but in reality i thought that i through that i believed it. :)

[@jtremaine23]

I left my apartment and went to an early college class and they were projecting the event on a big screen in one of those auditorium classrooms. I will never forget that.

[@d454b]

@@jtremaine23 Crazy. I actually just finished a Tom Clancy novel the night before where a character flew a jetliner into the Capital.

[@jtremaine23]

@@d454bYeah…that’s crazy!

[@billythekid7413]

Great job Frank

[@fouracrefamily9801]

There's a huge difference between education through knowledge and wisdom through experience. Trouble is, so many young people think they have all the answers they need at the beginning of their lives.

[@TrailToughTrailers]

I'm stealing this excellent comment and reposting this on Facebook!!!

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Even further, you can't have education without wisdom. A wise person has to educate the uneducated.

[@fouracrefamily9801]

@@JesusistheonetrueGod true, but sadly much of the the education we see in colleges is actually indoctrination by ungodly fools.

[@elliejohnson2786]

This may be true, but the Psych student is still correct here. Turek's argument revolves around people remembering an event in detail a long time ago, and the studies the student references show that humans are incapable of reliably remembering these events in perfect clarify; Instead, they embellish and forget details, which casts doubt on eye witness testimonies, even for impact events, and especially events that occurred longer than a year ago. Whether the events happened or not, Turek's argument is undermined by the fallibility of the human mind.

[@endersdragon34]

Wisdom can be false. Actually studying things is how we come to truth.

[@FleeTheWolves]

I'm a Nigerian and I was teenager when 911 happened, I still remember where I was, which TV station I was watching and who I was talking with. This guy is kuku

[@elliejohnson2786]

You may think you remember, but the point of the studies the student brought up was to highlight that your memory may be incorrect, as it has been for many, many surveyed individuals. Your conviction in your belief doesn't suddenly make it true.

[@FleeTheWolves]

@@elliejohnson2786 I didn't say 'I think I remember', it is what I know for sure not believe. To say I think I remember means there may be a certain portion of my narration that is not clear to me. And I don't believe because it wasn't a narrated story were I have make a logically reasonable conviction of it. I know.

[@vibeson1075]

@@FleeTheWolvesyet studies show that you’re probably wrong. Frank had nothing to back up this claim, yet reinforced Jake’s position

[@FleeTheWolves]

@@vibeson1075 cite the study here I would like to read it too.

[@marilynmiller5075]

​@@elliejohnson2786are you aware of how many "studies " were done and reported to the public regarding the pandemic , were wrong? Where did these studies come from and who backs them up,where's reliable data? Those who were witnesses of Jesus's Resurrection were willing to suffer and die excruciating deaths because they knew it to be true.

[@hitthepost2757]

Kid heard about 1 study in his Psych class and tried to debunk the resurrection lol

[@neiljpx2000]

@@HansZarkovPhD clearly not

[@paulvoit5610]

​@@HansZarkovPhDSo tell us that 1 study you're talking about because the kid in the video epically failed with his.

[@estellebailey4163]

There is no evidence for the resurrection all word gymnastic as frank always does all bolly

[@paulvoit5610]

@@estellebailey4163 Plenty of evidence for your incoherent stupidity

[@paulvoit5610]

​@@estellebailey4163Lol. You talk about word gymnastics while parroting the decades-old failed empty rhetoric of Dawkins. Lol

[@michikosakura1861]

I am from Liechtenstein, small country in Europe, I was 16 at 9/11 and I‘ll never forget what i felt, what I witnessed, what I did, how it felt, when I became aware and everything in relation to the event

[@seanhanlon5867]

Yeah you handled that beautifully Frank 🙏

[@timeshark8727]

Lol, really? You think lying, backpedaling, stamping your foot and declaring that his memory and intuition is reliable while actual studies say the opposite, then pretending that his claim was different than it actually was is "handling it beautifully"? Good grief, without the conformation bias Turek wouldn't have a career.

[@seanhanlon5867]

@@timeshark8727 which actual study’s are these then?

[@timeshark8727]

@@seanhanlon5867 He was probably referencing "Long-term memory for the terrorist attack of September 11: Flashbulb memories, event memories, and the factors that influence their retention" J Exp Psychol Gen. 2009 May; 138(2): 161-176. doi: 10.1037/a0015527 or "A ten-year follow-up of a study of memory for the attack of September 11, 2001: Flashbulb memories and memories for flashbulb events." APA PsychArticles 2015 Could also look at Schmolck H, Buffalo EA, Squire LR. "Memory distortions develop over time: Recollections of the O.J. Simpson trial verdict after 15 and 32 months." Psychological Science. 2000;11:39-45. Which found that at 15 months, a little less than 40% of the flashbulb memories they examined contained no distortions, and only about 10% contained major distortions. At 32 months, the pattern was reversed: Only about 20% contained no distortions and over 40% of the memories contained major distortions. It took me longer to type this than find it... There are dozens more that address long term memories and how they change over time. Basically, every time we try to recall something there's a chance for us to add or change something about it, even worse when we are telling stories about the events. Basically, Frank's intuition is as pointless as all intuition is in science... which is why anyone who has intellectual integrity discards their intuition in favor of facts when trying to understand the world.

[@timeshark8727]

@@seanhanlon5867 I listed a few, did they show up or were they blocked?

[@timeshark8727]

@@seanhanlon5867 google it... I did and found half a dozen in a few seconds. For some reason, when I post them here the post disappears.

[@johnlombardo7816]

Thanks! Great stuff👏🏻🙏❤️

[@gi169]

The reaction videos are cool, thank you Cross Examined.

[@gi169]

This will be such a nice and polite comment until MattSloppy comes and ruins it with foulness. Why do you have to mess stuff up MattSloppy... 😅😂🤣

[@mattslater2603]

​@@gi169Stop crying...

[@gi169]

​@@mattslater2603 🤣😂😅😅😂🤣

[@mattslater2603]

​Sorry I broke you....@@gi169

[@gi169]

​@@mattslater2603 Ah, a tidbit of truth in your comment. Indeed you are sorry. A sorry mess of a terrible rude and tiny sad boy.

[@jeffjohnson4742]

Thanks!

[@Viator19]

Is that student trying to Gaslight us all?

[@johnharrison6745]

Yes; he is. Glad you see that. 👍

[@mr.k1896]

Yes, yes it is.

[@newmoon0928]

He is actually gaslighting his own self.

[@endersdragon34]

No, he's just saying eyewitness testimony, even to big things, is often wrong and can be manipulated by outside factors. How is that gaslighting? Do you know how many people who were found guilty based on eyewitness testimony have later been proven innocent through more reliable evidence such as DNA. Sorry but it's not gaslighting to point that out.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Christianity = antiAmerican treason & brain damage & pure evil. I respect Communists & Marxists & Socialists for their own definitions of communism & Marxism & socialism. I also respect Anarchists & Separatists & Sovereign Citizens & anti-nationalists. I do not respect religion.

[@Hrd4]

The grace you exuded, Dr Turek with this Jake! Wow. You truly are an example of Christ. God bless your work

[@cornpop7805]

Frank, I am exceedingly proud of you! You not only kind of won the disagreement, you overwhelmingly proved your point. It was probably uncomfortable for the kid, but you taught him a valuable lesson.

[@carolmason8085]

I appreciate that you are not defensive in your responses.

[@SpaceLordof75]

At the end, Frank said, “I’d have to look at those studies, cause they don’t align with personal experience.” What? It boggles the mind to watch Frank sputter at what this student says, and then righteously believe Frank somehow won.

[@cornpop7805]

@SpaceLordof75 The kid made a point, and to support it, he said "studies say", but he didn't say exactly what studies. What did you want Frank to do, stop and look up the "studies" before giving his answer on the topic? The thing about Frank, is he will look up the studies, if they exist, and familiarize himself with them. How many times have you heard a person say "studies say..."? Does that mean the world has to be put on hold before anyone else gets to speak?

[@unknowndane4754]

@@cornpop7805 I'll be honest and ask if you're really this incapable of looking something up, I spent 5 seconds googling "9/11 memory study" and got "Long-term memory for the terrorist attack of September 11: Flashbulb memories, event memories, and the factors that influence their retention", from quickly skimming it, it lines up with what the kid is talking about, so now, why is it that I should trust Turek's perception of his memories over what these researchers demonstrated ?

[@timeshark8727]

@@cornpop7805 _"The thing about Frank, is he will look up the studies, if they exist, and familiarize himself with them."_ - *All evidence counters this assertion. He's been making the same, long debunked, claims and arguments for decades.*

[@TheRomans9Guy]

The fallacy that the young man doesn’t realize he has is that the studies that he’s referring to are in regards to the phenomenon that happens to people in proximity of an impact event where they will take on aspects of other people’s actual testimonies as if they were their own. This has been shown to happen with people in very close proximity and is/was worthy of sulfide. But what he doesn’t realize is that for the vast majority of people on the day of 9/11, they weren’t in close proximity and likely have no misconceptions of where they were when they first heard of the event. I had just named it to work in Los Angeles that morning, I called my wife, and turned around and went home in the mid morning and watched the news coverage all day. Later that night everyone in my very large church all showed up at church around 6 or 7pm, for a completely unannounced gathering. Everyone just knew they had to go to church. All of these “memories” of mine are 100% valid and are not compilations of other people’s memories. The student who is objecting is just ignorant of what the studies he’s quoting were really about.

[@sarahsays194]

I remember hearing about the study and found it very fascinating. How can your memory of such a monumental event have inaccuracies in it, after all? As Frank said, none of them are going to say that the towers did not fall.

[@brettaylor9098]

People who desperately want to NOT believe will figure out a way to convince themselves that the evidence, no matter how strong, is wrong.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

I do not believe Jesus was ever a historical person. What evidentiary facts am I ignoring?

[@josephthomasmusic]

@@Theo_Skeptomai What evidentiary facts are you ignoring? EVERY historian's writings. ZERO seriously accredited scholars argue that Jesus didn't exist. Bart Ehrman who is an agnostic scholar says that if you deny the existence of Jesus as a historical figure, it makes you look foolish. You literally don't know what you're talking about if you deny Jesus' existence.

[@itsJPhere]

​@@josephthomasmusic So that's an argument from authority basically. Not evidence. There are no historians that actually witnessed Jesus in person, no one can verify his existence. Guesses and speculation is all they have, all you have.

[@poa2.0surface77]

@@itsJPhere History records are evidence... That's the entire point of a history book. To record facts. You young, arrogant types are just awkward.

[@RJWM1999]

​@@itsJPhere there are Roman historians who write about him though. That's the evidence. An example being Josephus. There are a number. I just don't remember them. And an argument from authority is good enough for layman because I can say "Go research Bart Ehrman an actual authority of the field". He will be able to explain a whole lot better than any average Joe KZbin Commenter that's for sure. That's also exactly how you write research papers in university and so forth. You use the authorities of the field to support your claims, granted whilst also using more in depth evidence but all the same appealing to authorities isn't wrong.

[@directorchuks8156]

I don't want to obey God so I will bring up all kinds of objections. Keep it up guys.

[@itsJPhere]

Christians want eternal life so they bring up all kinds of excuses for why there's a God that cares about people's beliefs and forgives everything if they believe hard enough.

[@vibeson1075]

It’s disingenuous to make this assumption about people you don’t know

[@Mr.Sir...3]

I love the way the people in the room old enough to remember 9-11 are looking at the kid..… like, yyyeeaahhh……. that’s not right

[@MichaelKunz-mt2oo]

I was 4 when Kennedy was shot in Dallas and I can tell you what I was doing, where I was, and even how my mom reacted when she heard the news. Frank, you were much more professional about that than I would have been.

[@EquippedwithStrength]

Should’ve asked Jake how he knows for sure that he really did read that stuff about psychology.

[@JurOz1980]

Thats funny😂

[@saxmanjpr5092]

The fact that the audience laughed at the psychology student shows that his thought process is WAY off! Also, he should not believe everything that he is told or ‘taught.’

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

What does memory recall have to do with the historicity of Jesus?

[@mattslater2603]

Argumentum ad populum fallacy...

[@Gek1177]

It just means that Frank has trained his audience well.

[@CrinkledPankerSociety]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Nothing

[@Gek1177]

@@tlw6932 I'm willing to bet there are very few psychology majors in Frank's target audience.

[@lorettarobards2657]

I remember, I was at work when the towers fell. We heard it on the radio. When president Kennedy was shot I was in school at the time. When I fell and broke my arm I was 7 and remember where it happened, and how I reacted. When I was abused at six I remember many things about it, even my abuser’s breath. I’m now 71 years old, and I know that things that impact our lives are remembered all our lives, and they effect us for the rest of our lives; in the way we think, and cope, and perceive things, the way we communicate with others, and they can be a catalyst to better ourselves, or a blackness that can break our spirit. So yes the disciples did witness this amazing event, and the Bible can be trusted, God’s word is truth, and I thank Him everyday for saving me, that is the most beautiful thing that I remember. This young man will one day realize exactly what Frank is talking about.

[@UsmanKhan-coolmf]

You should also realize that there are many stories about a God's resurrection before the Bible and before Christ. Are you aware? Please don't be blind.

[@CiscoWes]

@@UsmanKhan-coolmf There are many prophecies about the event, even in other beliefs and cultures.

[@UsmanKhan-coolmf]

@@CiscoWes Death and resurrection was a common motif in early middle eastern mythology. Asclepius, Achilles, Thetis, Memnon, Alcmene, Castor, Heracles, Melicertes, Mythras, and Osirus are just a few examples of deities held to have died and been resurrected.

[@lorettarobards2657]

@@UsmanKhan-coolmf I’m not the one who is blind, sorry.

[@evanssoudain3032]

​@@UsmanKhan-coolmf the difference is that, contrary to those other stories, we know the authors of the Christ resurrection claim, true people like peter luke etc who died for that claim... do you think Tolkien would die for lord of the rings story? You are comparing myths with multiple eyewitnesses accounts No historian could say that Jesus Never existed? Can we say the same about heracles, osiris etc?

[@truth4lifeministries32]

Frank, you are too good and you are so, so, so knowledgeable. I thank God for you.... you are inspirational and refreshing.

[@poa2.0surface77]

That was hard to watch. I was so embarrassed for Jake. So he studied psych for 1 year? 3 years? Maybe brushed on the topic of 'Impact Events' a time or two. He's going to tell a man with a Doctorate degree, who is an award winning author, who makes his living studying what he teaches, instead of asking "what do you think about these studies I've come across?", he's going to tell this man, "Your claims are 'patently' false." The sheer arrogance of this young student was hard to watch.

[@johnboehmer6683]

Arrogance yes, but maybe moreso,FAITH in anything that supports his world view. Atheists love to cite any findings that are evidence against God, but know that they weren't a part of the process that came to the conclusions they're citing, and know also that science is regularly found to be wrong in its conclusions, peer-reviewed and all. The Christian has personal experience, but is outright dismissed anyway. The premise of his claim is so ridiculous. Jake, please tell me how these surveyists were able to conclude with 100% certainty where these people in the study were, and the circumstances surrounding each one on 9/11?

[@Gek1177]

Frank's doctorate is in Ministry. You don't really think he's ever studied psychology do you +

[@poa2.0surface77]

@@Gek1177 Anybody can get a Bachelor's Degree. A lot of people can get a Master's Degree. Not very many people have the aptitude (high intelligence) or the wealth (an indicator of high intelligence) to get a Doctorate's Degree. Besides, a cocky little 20 something is just that: a cocky little 20 something.

[@Gek1177]

@@poa2.0surface77 1 in 3 have a bachelor's degree, 1 in 8 have a masters degree and 1 in 50 have a PhD. But Frank doesn't have a PhD he's got a DMin. His degree didn't require a dissertation or years of academic work it required 36 hours of online or classroom work. Now, I'm willing to grant Frank that he is a legitimate Doctor of Ministry but his degree was earned with as much classroom time as 1 month in a normal college class. So let's not pretend Frank's DMin is proof of anything.

[@Gek1177]

@@poa2.0surface77 you do realize that Frank's DMin isn't a PhD and required as much work as 1 month of a first year college class, right?

[@armandomadrigal9793]

I wasn't in New York, I was doing a plumbing job out here in California, I remember the homeowner had the TV on,

[@aaronharlow2137]

I was in 9th grade, earth science class. It was announced on the loud speaker. Can't forget that.

[@yosiyyahu.bar.stephen]

I was in preschool. I recall something incredible was happening but obviously being 5, they were trying to shield us from knowing anything. When I got home and saw the news that afternoon, I learned exactly what had happened early that day and the magnitude of it.

[@eltomas3634]

People might say "Luke, I am your father" is what Vader said. But everyone who saw the movie knows the Vader surprised Luke Skywalker and informed him, he was his father. When you ask what politician said "I can see Russia from my house" many people would answer with Sarah Palin. In fact, she never said that, Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live said that. Most people don't know what she really said, which is "from Alaska, you can see part of Russia" which is absolutely true and accurate. Most people think Trayvon Martin bought skittles and iced tea before he was shot. He actually bought skittles and an Arizona watermelon flavored drink. But even so, about 90 percent of the articles published say skittles and ice tea. People long ago knew all about how stories change over time, especially if they are never written down, people know that. People made certain that these events were written down because they realized the importance of the events after the resurrection. There were many safeguards put in place to ensure the accounts were written and when copies were made, there were safeguards to make sure copies were identical. You can't appreciate the keeping of these accounts unless you look at other works and events that were also written about. The gospels are extremely unique with time and copies, and originals and dates between the events and first writings. In almost every category, the gospels and much of the Bible stand very unique and the handling and evolution of recorded history, the Bible stands far and away from similar works.

[@Gek1177]

Except even the earliest books of the NT were written 20 years later and were written by Paul who never knew Jesus. Mark, the oldest gospel, was written 40 by a guy who didn't even know Jesus either. I'd say you'd be hard pressed to argue that the new testament is unique in that it was written to accurately convey events so as to preserve them. Clearly nobody cared for almost 4 decades.

[@eltomas3634]

@Gek1177 It really makes you wonder how the entire world somehow uses the death of Jesus to refer to the dates and how Christianity spread like nothing else before if they were just stories. It is well agreed by historians that Jesus was well written about unlike many others and he went around performing acts sometimes called miracles and exorcisms. You had to be much more than just a unique guy to demand so much history and documentation and the preservation of all of it. There is none like him that commanded such coverage and attention, no matter who you believe he was or wasn't.

[@Gek1177]

@@eltomas3634 no, we know why, a Chrstian monk in the 6th century decided to change the anno Diocletiani that the Western Roman Empire had been using to anno Domini which was adopted by the Western Empire as a way to stick it to Emperor Diocletian.

[@eltomas3634]

@@Gek1177 So you are convinced by one writing about one monk that performed an act of changing something and you are completely convinced that's how and why it happened. But when it comes to Jesus and all the manuscripts, they all have to be fraudulent.....ok

[@Gek1177]

@@eltomas3634 um, we say it because he was the first person to use it and we have actual copies of his calendars that he used to calculate 100 years of when Easter would be. I also didn't call the manuscripts fraudulent, I said that they weren't written by eyewitnesses nor where they written closed to the events that happened. Surely you can see how that's different than a monk adapting an existing calendar to calculate days.

[@PearlsPetalsandPraise]

I remember when I was young and knew everything. Praise the Lord I grew up, accepted Jesus, and gave that omnipotence back to God where it belongs. Holy Spirit unveil this young man's eyes, soften his heart, and let him be humbled and open to the light of the knowledge Christ Jesus.

[@JP-ec9rl]

I was a pfc in the army reserve making up an excused absence and got called in by our unit administrator to watch the second plane hit live on the news. I distinctly remember becoming acutely aware that I would soon be making good on that oath.

[@JP-ec9rl]

@@tlw6932 please no. In hindsight I've realized that there's no honor in it. Military industrial complex. Globalist agenda. The struggle is real. Friends don't let friends get high on satanic patriotism.

[@jacktoneoluoch8959]

This is very educative. Thank you. I hope Dr Frank will one day come to Kenya, East Africa.😅

[@cia7746]

Where are all these studies he keeps talking about? Not only do I know where I was on 9/11, I remember exactly what I said when another teacher walked in the Teachers Lounge and said "did you hear the World Trade Centers collapsed?" I said, "are you sure you know the definition of the word collapsed." That's because I didn't know what had happened and I was just hearing about it and I couldn't even believe it.

[@JP-ec9rl]

They're the same studies that say men can now get pregnant and Plymouth Rock got lost to rising sea levels 20 years ago. It's pseudoscience!

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Why is it so remarkable that you remember details concerning 9/11? Explain its importance concerning the historicity of Jesus.

[@JP-ec9rl]

@@Theo_Skeptomai because if en event is significant in your life, you remember it.

[@rachelrasmussen1101]

You can read about this study in "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman. I read that book, read the part about people misremembering details about the twin towers and I didn't believe it either. I told my husband, and my husband agreed, immediately launching into "I remember exactly where I was. I was alone in our apartment". I burst out laughing, because in my memory, which I also considered perfect and concrete, he was with me when we found out. In trying to disprove the book, we had proved the book.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@JP-ec9rl Yes. If something in my life was significant, I would remember it. However, I asked how this fact is _related_ to the historicity of Jesus. Are you stating that there are _firsthand eyewitness accounts_ of this Jesus that were all of a sudden recalled 45-75 years after these supposed events?

[@william3347]

When there are multiple witness testimonies to the same impact event, it throws cold water on the idea they all spontaneously self implanted the same false memory.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@william3347 When you have stories about unlikely miracles and people rising from the dead in an old book compiled in order to get you to believe it, it pours cold water on the idea that it’s actually true.

[@sidwhiting665]

@@Moist._Robot when you have a person named Moist._Robot who keeps hanging around on all the Christian YT channels saying how none of this is true, it pours cold water on the idea that said person has much of a life. Are you really THAT bored, Moisty, that you have to incessantly dog Turek, Winger, and everyone here? I mean, I've met some dedicated online trolls before, but are you trying to win an award or something?

[@xXEGPXx]

Witness testimony is considered the lowest form of evidence, even if it happened minutes prior. Witness testimony from anonymous witnesses from thousands of years ago whose accounts were only written hundreds of years after they died are not reliable in any way form or fashion

[@melindamercier6811]

@@Moist._Robot apparently, you’re sorely unaware of the extrabiblical and secular evidence from the first century that Christians believed they saw and believed Jesus was risen from the dead. Perhaps go look those up rather than making random biased assumptions that no legitimate scholar (secular or religious) believes.

[@Moist._Robot]

@@melindamercier6811 Yes. People believed Jesus had risen from the dead. They still do today. What’s that evidence for?

[@lonecrusaider]

This is a classic example of deliberate overthinking.

[@onepoeticromancer]

Does anyone know why episodes stopped uploading to Audible and Amazon Music at the end of May?

[@blake-nw4pd]

On 11SEP2001, I was a senior in highschool sitting in the football locker room waiting for the first period to be over. When it was first reported my thought it was a small fixed wing aircraft and not a commercial airliner.

[@unc1589]

I usually catch heat for say …. “ I don’t debate with anybody under 40! There’s no challenge.” Too many don’t think things through and rely on stats that are themselves questionable. They run out of gas after the first challenge and wind up doing the “my bad!” when a mind that is familiar with critical research confronts them. It’s not really them, it’s the acceptance of “internet facts” that leaves them with smashface. If you weren’t born in an era of correction you are at a great disadvantage. It is possible to be wrong about 95% of what you think is true these day and still think you’re a genius . No accountability necessary.

[@CiscoWes]

We’re talking about a generation that expects quick answers from some AI generated search, or Google. But there are some things you have to dig, and discern what you found, and research for longer than a 2 second Google search. Often times the first results from a search may not be entirely correct.

[@yaddystanley5980]

My son did that to me....I was telling him something that happened when I was 7-8....He suggested that, because I said it so often and thought about it as truth, it may not have happened at all, but I believe it did! I just nodded my head

[@leahparker9033]

Oh dear...with this kind of logic, how can they believe *anything* is true? You just have to love their souls and pray for them.

[@wedgepower383]

And we all know that Darth Vader was in fact, Luke's father.

[@christophertaylor9100]

Good point. The quote might be mangled but the essential story was certain and known.

[@TrailToughTrailers]

EXCELLENT challenge point, but even MORE EXCELLENT RESPONSE/POINT made!!!!

[@BrettMiq]

Perfect example of missing the forest for the trees.

[@911tbf]

I love what you did to this young fellow. He is so young to know everything. Wow.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

There is a HUGE difference between 9-11and a line in a movie.

[@muppetonmeds]

True but everyone can agree there was a Star Wars movie. TC

[@StageWatcher]

Even with the Star Wars example, everyone remembers that Vader revealed to Luke that he was Luke's father. The exact words remembered may vary, but the essence of the scene is the same.

[@william3347]

@@StageWatcher Exactly - the way many of us remember the line is like a paraphrased summary of what that entire scene was about.

[@UsmanKhan-coolmf]

​@@william3347 do you know how many stories there are about resurrecting of gods prior to Christ? Does that tell you anything? Does that make you think even a little?

[@markgilrosales6366]

@@UsmanKhan-coolmf are the authors of the stories verified to be actual existing persons?

[@ColossiansDisciple]

Blessings Where can we see updates of the universities you will be attending? I want to go to one of these events myself. Thank you.

[@jaymichael91]

Give up your major and pick another.

[@UsmanKhan-coolmf]

These are all resurrection stories... Tammuz, the Spring God of Mesopotamia. ... Osiris, the Egyptian God of Death of Agriculture. ... Outwitting Death in Ancient India. ... Bodhidharma and His Single Shoe. ... Odin's Sacrifice (to Himself) ... Quetzalcóatl: Resurrection in Mesoamerica.

[@UsmanKhan-coolmf]

You are being fooled by the church. The most rich and powerful organization in the world. Please be free. God is real but don't be blind to truth.

[@sidwhiting665]

@@UsmanKhan-coolmf So, if there are multiple different stories about a topic, then that means that all of them are false. Am I missing your point?

[@tegimr]

​@@UsmanKhan-coolmfwho is "the church"? There is no "the church".

[@UsmanKhan-coolmf]

@@tegimr fair question... "The Holy See, as the supreme body of government of the Catholic Church, is a sovereign juridical entity under international law." These are the Vatican people.

[@joepeters5796]

Appreciate the patience and care/respect for students. Keep pointing people to the resurrected Jesus ... Loved the slide on the Titanic

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Are you asserting this resurrected Jesus is a current reality?

[@Apostlepaul777]

schooled! Nice job Frank🙏 Praise Jesus!

[@mr.c9770]

Jake reminds me of myself when I was a 20-something in college. I had a few classes in my major and suddenly I was an expert on all things criminal justice. I became a Christian at 20 and after reading a few of Josh McDowell's books, I was an expert apologist. Then I had a few humbling moments...

[@Hailonga-g1e]

Yeah, You remind me of myself. Listen to Ravi Zacharias and Norman G for a week and I called myself a Christian Apologist, until I was humbled. Experience is the teacher. I'm now certain of Jesus through my personal experience than I am through Arguments. He is alive and well O dear World.

[@markweisberg332]

How confident is he that he remembers the findings and conclusions within psychology regarding impact events is being remembered correctly?

[@mr.k1896]

His argument has self destructed.

[@MarkNOTW]

Underrated

[@Rc-tb9uy]

😂😂😂 stop it. Don’t you do that to him.

[@kevinbarbe799]

How silly his your confirmation bias to be condescending with someone who, respectfully, explains why our intuition is probably false about memory ;)

[@markweisberg332]

@@kevinbarbe799 I'm well aware of the phenomenon of memory reconstruction, having read about it and experienced it myself when comparing my memories to my diary. You could say that my diary safeguards the effects of this phenomenon in my personal life. I've been to Dr. Turek's presentations, and I assure you that he listed many safeguards in the methodology used to authenticate writings from antiquity. Keep in mind that you are watching the question-and-answer period of the presentation and not the presentation itself. I was a little harsh on this individual, but he exhibited a Fundamental Attribution Error. This is why he severely exaggerates the effects of memory reconstruction deviations and dismisses all of the methods and safeguards that Dr. Turek presented.

[@jerryloricasteel4681]

Not only do I remember where I was, what I was doing, my coworkers when 9/11 happened but the same in 1986 when the challenger exploded.

[@sethsuleiman4419]

Yes, I may take your word (what you wrote) 'cos (say) I know you; youre trustworthy, truthful, honest, sincere and have strong memory. But who wrote that jesus was crucified, died and rose again? Mark. Mark who? Matthew who? Luke who? John who? Are they actually eye witnesses? Do we know whether or not, they were trustworthy, truthful, honest, sincere and have strong memory? We dont cos we dont know them.

[@georgewagner7787]

We have thousands of documents and they also had students that passed down the information. The same way you know julios Caesar existed. Watch Warner wallace

[@parkplaceproperties4818]

So at the end of that exchange, the students rebuttal ended up being a moot point because he didnt refute (or even address) the literal foundation of Christianity - THE RISEN CHRIST!!

[@iguess2739]

I remember, even as a child who's memories should be compromised and skewed the most.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

The rapture will be an impact event. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11👑

[@cdrogers72]

Hopefully, the upcoming impactful prophesied events of the tribulation will turn the jews and the countless nonbelievers to Jesus. God willing.

[@peterbassey9668]

I live in Nigeria and I remember I was in a banking hall when the news flashed on the big TV screen that 9-11 had happened. A bank staff was in the hall with us and was so apoplectic with anger he shouted aloud and reproached the perpetrators that security had to come and lead him away. The man was so livid he visibly shook. I was dumbstruck by the whole event and swore under my breath my hatred of those responsible. Nothing about that oath has changed to this day.

[@scoobydoo9579]

This is sweet to watch. Jake was thoroughly educated by Frank and said "I appreciate that" at the end. I can only pray that Jake has since turned his intellectual curiosity to learn more about God, Jesus and Jesus' resurrection. Being humbled is a blessing.

[@kevinbarbe799]

Educated? So, Jake brought attention to a study about memory and Frank dismiss the science because... intuition? Laughable.

[@scoobydoo9579]

@@kevinbarbe799 Did you watch the video? Frank fully addressed the "science" through a couple of points (1) those who are there firsthand don't get the main theme wrong (he referred to those in Manhattan at the time; Jake's study is on where /when the subjects heard about the news); and (2) Frank raised, the Titanic example, with factual data and headline to show that the numbers could be different but the main event is not contested -- that's the main point and Jake even acknowledged that at the end.

[@endersdragon34]

​@@scoobydoo9579he moved the goalposts. His original point was that he remembered exactly what happened when he was 2, then just said eyewitnesses generally get the main points right. Sorry but Jake got Frank to admit he was wrong

[@kevinbarbe799]

​@@scoobydoo9579 I watched it. I noticed that Frank Turek shifted his usual "you remember everything excatly how it happened" to "you remember broadly what happened". Jake seemed to acknowledge at the end about the later, but that's not the usual argument from Turek ;)

[@scoobydoo9579]

@@endersdragon34 Happy to discuss but let's keep the facts straight. Where did Frank comment on "exact"? Where did he comment on when he was 2? Believers who have read the Bible would not expect exactness, and I highly doubt Frank would either. (E.g., the crucifixion accounts are slightly off, but no contest he was crucified beside 2 others, etc.)

[@joshblack9182]

Frank's response simultaneously reiterating the point made by the psych student and the dunning-kruger effect. Comedy gold!

[@BeFaithful00]

Even the psych student’s example helped Frank’s argument. No matter what anybody recalls about what or how Darth Vader said what he said, we all know dang good and well that he’s Luke’s daddy.

[@francisa4636]

That's not really the point though, if your memory is fallible and indeed you invent details then an oral history written down years later is going to be very suspect. This video is testament to that given Turek changes his claim. In the original video he claims that impact events mean that memory becomes reliable, the studies clearly show this is patently false. His new claim is entirely different makes you think he misremembered his own point 🤷‍♂️

[@aikona4407]

I dont have very good memory but I remember where I was that day. In an ER with my aunt. She had a heart attack. When the news first came on TV I thought it was some movie preview.

[@JadDragon]

I trust God to be able to use flawed men and their methods to still keep the message of the Gospel alive. When you search the heart of the Bible it becomes less scary and you can see the truth more clearly. Just as Jesus went beyond the law to the deeper meaning. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Do you believe that which is true comports to actual _evidentiary facts?_

[@gi169]

Isn't it odd that there is always a specific anti-theist that comments on every Christian comment on each video. Like if they don't get their twisted nonsense on every comment someone might read a particular comment and become a Christian...

[@JadDragon]

@@Theo_Skeptomai I wonder if you'll ever stop trolling

[@JadDragon]

@@gi169 they hate to heal. God bless brother

[@gi169]

@@JadDragon God bless you as well brother.

[@nuhadiirawan9594]

I love Dr. Frank Turek put Titanic as a illustration . Excellent Explanation

[@TheGuy..]

Instead of trying to understand Frank's point, it looks like he wanted to poke holes and discredit. Sound familiar?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

What is Frank's point? State it in a complete sentence.

[@TheGuy..]

@@Theo_Skeptomai The impact event is the "core parts" of an event that we don't forget and not necessarily the accuracy of "all" the peripheral details surrounding the event.

[@TheGuy..]

@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD Is there a detail recorded around the resurrection event that you had in mind that shows the resurrection event didn't happen?

[@TheGuy..]

@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD How would you suggest it could be "Shown"? Your comment makes no sense when applied to a historical event. All that can be shown is the probable likeliness. Well, that's been done.

[@TheGuy..]

@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD The recorded history is shown. All recorded history that is shown is what we critique. What you implied is that you wanted the resurrection to be shown, visibly demonstrated and like all unrepeatable history your unreasonable expectations can't be met. And, nothing wrong with going on defense mode when it's appropriate. Now you are "claiming" _There is no probable likeliness._ Ok, back your claim and give me a reason to believe that in light of the historical data we have.

[@PinkWaveGo]

That was a great answer to jakes question. Well done frank!

[@PaulBeyersdofer]

I was homeless, did drugs, went into prison, where I got to know God. He changed my life. Now I have a home, a wife and a lovely year old daughter (zoe), and a stream of income that gats me $47,000 weekly. Plus a new identity - a child of God, Hallelujah!!!🇺🇲❣️♥️❤️

[@CarlaSchepersLuebbert]

Excuse me for real?,how is that possible I have struggling financially, how was that possible?

[@PaulBeyersdofer]

Thanks to Kate Elizabeth Becherer

[@PaulBeyersdofer]

Her top notch guidance and expertise on digital market changed the game for me

[@PaulBeyersdofer]

I always appreciate God for his kindness upon my life

[@M.Barnet]

This sounds so good and I would like to be a party to this, is there any way I can speak with her?

[@JerryWitt-n7z]

I was in my house when we heard the news and we turned the TV on to watch the news and as we were watching live TV we watched the second aircraft hit the tower. That was insane. I remember who was in the room too.

[@jeffphelps1355]

When your criticism is opinion based no amounts of evidence will change your opinion

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

What _exactly_ would change your opinion? Facts seem to have no impact.

[@jeffphelps1355]

@@Theo_Skeptomai I don't take stock in my opinion . I look at the most rational explanation for our existence. Atheism doesn't provide one

[@itsJPhere]

​@@jeffphelps1355Do you think that explanations need verification or no?

[@jeffphelps1355]

@@itsJPhere who is qualified to verify God?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@jeffphelps1355 The problem is that you are expecting a POSITION to provide an _explanation._ What is the problem with not knowing the explanation of our existence? I rarely consider it. It is much more important to live life.

[@EMMMDs]

11:55 It's THE main-iest of "main events".❤

[@piijay14]

Christ never said: "To each his own" He said: " Repent , pick up your cross and follow me."

[@ericmiller8139]

I arrived at Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego on September 10, 2001 to start my Marine Corps career. Interesting that one of the topics was 9/11. I will always remember where I was when it happened.

[@georgewagner7787]

Sept 10 was my parents anniversary so when I gothome I thought oh no now the date is forever changed but then I realized it was the 11th

[@brosebrose4154]

May Jesus Christ the God guide all Atheist to Christianity.

[@KasperKatje]

I will never worship an immoral god, let me be a martyr for truth and atheism...

[@gi169]

​@@KasperKatje You will, if not through belief in Jesus you will worship God by actually seeing and knowing and you'll praise His name but then you will go to judgement. If you are judged you will not pass the judgement. Accept the free gift of Jesus.

[@KasperKatje]

@@gi169 🤣

[@gi169]

​@@KasperKatje Mock your God all you want tomorrow is not guaranteed.

[@KasperKatje]

@@gi169 I only mock your belief in your god. I have no god to mock.

[@theAshesofDecember1]

I feel like there’s a distinct difference between a core memory of something you witnessed one time and a pop culture reference that was incorrectly memed and then repeated endlessly. I’ve never been given contradictory stories of where I was on 9/11 and what I was doing to confuse the history in my mind. Versus I’ve seen empire strikes back a couple times as a kid but have heard countless shows and had impressionist say the line incorrectly. Now, which am I most likely to confuse?

[@larzman651]

So Jake dodged both questions he was asked and I doubt he could remember what he had for lunch. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil

[@mattslater2603]

Will you dodge actually evidencing those verses to be true?

[@larzman651]

@@mattslater2603 no dodging here

[@larzman651]

@mattslater2603 millions of Christians have had dramatic life changed from that scripture. That's pretty good evidence. What kind of evidence do you want?

[@larzman651]

@mattslater2603 if you can refute this scripture with evidence, feel free to do so.

[@sidwhiting665]

I know precisely where I was and what I was doing on 9-11. I was teaching English at Willard High School in Willard, MO. We heard a commotion in the hall and one of my assistant principles poked her head into my room and said, "Turn on the TV to channel 12 (NBC)". I flicked it on and we saw tower 1 smoking. Basically we all just watched for the next 2 class periods as tower 2 got hit and they both came down. My classroom was on the outer wall of the building, facing across the street that ran along the front end of the school. We watched over the next few hours as people started showing up at the corner gas station, panic buying gas and supplies. I remember seeing the gas price rise again and again.... it started the day around $1.29 and ended around $1.79. Now I might have the gas prices wrong... I do remember them going up several time as the convenience store employees came out of the store several times with their ladder and numbers. But for everything else, I have at least three witnesses who can confirm this even and the details... my next door "neighbor" teachers. And I have my old pay stubs from when I taught there. And I have a yearbook that shows where my classroom was. So yeah... that was an impact event. But people have died before in tragic events, and those will sadly keep happening. However, Jesus rising from the dead on his own power and authority was a first. Prior to that, the only people who rose from the dead rose in response to God's power. This was God himself raising to life via his own power, defeating death and the grave so that we too might have eternal life. That event has never happened before in history and will never happen again. That would be 1000x more impactful than even 9-11. People would remember.

[@mattr.1887]

How do you know?

[@6502Assembler]

Frank was owned by a teenager in this video... He's not even able to grasp what the kid is saying to him. What he's saying based on proven facts, repeatedly.

[@last_days_of_summer3760]

I'm from Germany. I know I was with a friend of mine in my room. My father opened the door, looked at me and told me what happend. The first second I thought "okay...!?". Then we were going to the TV and saw it.

[@dmandwayne817]

This young man says "hearing something over and over, leads to a belief". But, what he seems to be missing is that, back then, without social media, the chance of hearing it "over and over, are greatly diminished. His modern "study" cannot be applied to that time in history.

[@ritjakozonguizi3077]

Brilliant response.

[@black-cross]

Psychology and philosophy are overrated. They have some truth but not the truth. People choose to do evil, its not their environment. Everyone has a sobstory and different outcomes. Stoicism is just dumb. Its running away from real life and feelings.

[@brianhummel899]

Just heard of you, so far appreciate what you are saying

[@smbarone2000]

I learned about crisis communication in action on 9-11. I saw the aftermath at the Pentagon. I didn’t imagine it. I wonder what he thinks of other eyewitness accounts in history?

[@sethsuleiman4419]

But who wrote that jesus was crucified, died and rose again? Mark. Mark who? Matthew who? Luke who? John who? Are they actually eye witnesses? Do we know whether or not, they were trustworthy, truthful, honest, sincere and have strong memory? We dont cos we dont know them.

[@robertramsey653]

I was at work, at a steel mill, in Mcdonald Ohio. They sent us home.

[@hailtothemischief1176]

So the more impactful an event, the less likely you are to remember it? Is this what he's claiming? How much is he paying for that degree?

[@jonathanturek5846]

I am so grateful for what dr Turek does. I am an archD architecture doctorate university of Hawaii school of architecture so technically I am Dr Turek too lol

[@eddierobles2137]

Excellent explanation . Thanks . This is helping me have more reliance on my savior Christ

[@ogloc6308]

excellent video ❤ glory to God

[@followerofchrist6694]

I was an active disbeliever thinking I was an atheist. I finally gave up my disbelief years ago and Jesus filled that void that was left behind.

[@MichaelJones-sn8hh]

So good!

[@dinkledork4421]

Whether it is "Luke I am your father," or "No, I am your father," the core of the message is still there: Darth Vader is Luke's father. Same with 911. Even if your idea of where exactly you were on 911 is "misrembered," 911 still happened and we can remember the impacts of the planes and towers collapsing.

[@entity5678]

very solid logic but people hearts are stubborn to believe and may God open the eyes to see the Glory of Lord Jesus Christ..

[@Corato4535]

Even on the other side of the world in Australia, I remember exactly where I was and the situation surrounding the event of 9/11

[@noahmoffitt8419]

Living in Wilmington, I wish I could've seen this

[@JAFO.]

I find it particularly entertaining that in relistening to that dialogue in the second Star Wars episode, the k sound at the end of the word "Luke" - where Darth Vader says, *_"Luke, I am your father"_* is extremely clear and self-evident, but then again maybe I just *_think_* I know what the k sound is but have been wrong for 64 years - LOL 🧐🤔😳 🤣

[@klauge763]

I remember exactly where I was when I heard about the first and second tower being hit. I came home from a dentist appt to change my clothes for work. I turned on the TV and heard about the first tower. Then on my way to work as I was driving on Utica Rd approaching a red light at 15 mile rd and heard about the 2nd tower being hit on the radio. I was at work when the towers fell. I'm 100% certain of each of these facts. I know where I was at when I heard about Princess Diana's death also. It was early morning on my way to work, driving on Saginaw rd in Grand Blanc just before going under the overpass. It was a sunday morning just after sunrise.

[@bigga5406]

That last 90 seconds or so when Frank went off I LOVED IT! That’s more tenacity than I’ve seen from him and it’s great. Tired of the soft speaking and catering to people who just want to argue. NO DISCIPLE OF JESUS DIED BECAUSE THEY WERE LYING. They died because of what is true. Jesus is Lord. 🙏🏻

[@itsadamrich]

The beautiful thing is, the big thing that all parties agree on, IS the Impact Event. All parties agreed that Jesus Resurrected. The minor details don’t really matter.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

You do realize there are parties that do not acknowledge this _supposed_ resurrection, correct?

[@HarleyPebley]

Sounds like Jake may need to study the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@wrippley103]

There's one in every crowd.

[@littlemama4two]

Excellent!

[@marcellusdavenport]

I was in a hotel in LA … we were worried the next plane ✈️ was headed to LAX … so oh yeah I remember precisely where I was