I love how they piss about for so long about finding ten good men, and then spend no time at all looking for ten good men. And good women don't count for anything.
@thehusk51223 жыл бұрын
As soon as you mentioned the Moabites and Amorites, it suddenly clicked into place. Propaganda is pretty ancient.
@SSecularScholar3 жыл бұрын
Around the Dead Sea are pillars of salt. So the story of Lot’s wife is like that of Persephone and Hades, a mythological tale to explain a natural phenomenon.
@pdutube3 жыл бұрын
I've read the same thing. It sounds like the author of Genesis was trying to work in the nature of their physical environment with the sociological struggles of the Israelites. What we consider shocking in terms of incest and genocide were normal occurrences back then. Today adherents want to praise the same sky-wizard but whitewash its past behavior because of some sort of "new covenant". Don't they realize it's all still happening and the sky-wizard is demonstrably fine with it?
@Tulkas2193 жыл бұрын
SSecularScholar - When I was on holiday in Israel I went to the Ein Gedi Nature Reserve to a spa place where you float in the Dead Sea and cover yourself in healing mud etc. On the way back the tour guide pointed to a particular salt pillar and stated that that was actually Lot's wife, at least according to local tradition. So yeah either local folklore or checkmate atheists! depending on your point of view. Me, I pointed to the next pillar and said "So who is that then?" I didn't get a reply.
@pdutube3 жыл бұрын
@@Tulkas219 Maybe Lot didn't have a wife but walked around talking to pillars of salt? Mommy, why is that man talking to the rocks? Don't stare sweetheart, his name is Lot, just keep away from him!
@AdmiralBison3 жыл бұрын
@@pdutube LOL. Than you you know the question is going be raised "who did Lot of have his daughters with?" Than again, the Bible really doesn't put much history and stock on women, since they are mostly narrated as baby making machines and nothing else.
@optimusprime51993 жыл бұрын
They say they have found sodom and Gomorrah
@marianomazzieri65603 жыл бұрын
The story sounds to me like Abraham, Lot and 3 other buddies conspiring a really intricate plot to help Lot getting rid of his wife :P
@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT3 жыл бұрын
Later commentaries, like the one written by Ezekiel, sought to rescue this tale from its apparent brutality by reframing it as a lesson to be kind to strangers. So why not the same for this version? For all we know, the story originated as an excuse to explain Lot's mysterious appearance in a new town sans wife, with pregnant daughters and no husbands. And oh BTW, the trivial matter of a couple of villages burned to the ground in his wake (Answer: Goddidit, so STFU!).
@davidsmith-uw2ci3 жыл бұрын
Thats way more plausible than their BS they believe
@domiro81563 жыл бұрын
Your version makes SO much more sense!!!!!!!
@runeaanderaa68403 жыл бұрын
Maybe she was a bit salty in the first place.
@GameLeaderR3 жыл бұрын
Also he wanted to sleep with his daughters. The daughter said there was No other men in the world bit only those cities were destroyed so maybe Lot wasn't totally honest with the girls to make them feel like there was no other choice.
@tach58843 жыл бұрын
If a guy got his daughters pregnant this is how he would tell the story. It only happened once(each), it was their idea, there was alcohol involved... Alternate hypothesis: This is the kind of hentai that's popular when time travel is invented.
@ersgtr34213 жыл бұрын
Same goes for the person who impregnated Mary.
@lisagilbert84973 жыл бұрын
Got two girls pregnant on the same night and the first time . He totally had no fault in it . This is miraculous in itself from a woman that has tried to conceive . These girls must have been masters of NFP . Also he must have been a total master and incredible in his age at keeping it up .
@ricshome13 жыл бұрын
When I was old enough to understand this, my thoughts were that god had issues with homosexuality but not with Lot offering his daughters to be gang rape and then incest.
@AssassinoJake3 жыл бұрын
And issues with lots wife turning around.
@michaellove38163 жыл бұрын
God: "Be fruitful and multiply". Lot's Daughters: "Daddy, hold my beer."
@ronaldharris65693 жыл бұрын
More like daddy drink my beer
@saveusmilkboy3 жыл бұрын
I am in despair because none of my Christian friends will get this excellent joke.
@garygood68043 жыл бұрын
@@saveusmilkboy lol your friends would be like: ItS nOt InCeSt.
@gabrielailincai20793 жыл бұрын
Lot, trying to resist his daughters... Them: We incEst! Lot: alrighty if you’re insisting wtf.
@backpfeifengesicht84153 жыл бұрын
Baby daddy in another sense...
@dancinswords3 жыл бұрын
"Lot and his kids couldn't even turn around to look at her, or else they too might be turned into pillars of who-knows-what spice."
@question31473 жыл бұрын
Lot's wife: Uses her free will to look in the direction she wants to. God: So you have chosen... death!
@harveywabbit95413 жыл бұрын
When Lot arrived at Zoar, the Sun had risen upon the earth," i.e., it was the beginning of summer/Aries thru Pisces (Gen. 19.23). It was then the Lord overthrew the cities of Sodom (Scoropio thru Pisces) - winter was succeeded by summer, and the Lord (atmosphere) rained down from heaven "fire and brimstone" (thunder and lightning, these usually making their appearance at the close of winter) upon Sodom. But Lot's wife (Iscah = who looks back), poor woman, looked back (Virgo setting headlong, and facing the earth), she couldn't help it, and was turned at once into "a pillar of salt," i.e., she went down into the briny sea.
@adrianjanssens71163 жыл бұрын
@@harveywabbit9541 Harvey you are really into this stuff. I hope you find it fulfilling. Your dedication shows through clearly.
@professorsypher61743 жыл бұрын
I think Lot killed his wife and knocked up his two daughters during his escape from a burning city, and when everybody in Zor asked him what happened, he came up with that story and they all believed him.
@sypherthe297th2 Жыл бұрын
Or the whole thing is fiction and there never was a Lot. Either way there is some lying involved.
@BenYork-UBY3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like God would be a terrible hostage negotiator: "Just airstrike the whole building" "But sir, what about the hostages" "How many hostages?" "9 sir" "I do it for 10. Thats one less than 10. Send in the bombs"
@christiangreff57643 жыл бұрын
Or, just hear me out, old testament god is an awfully good "hostage negotiator". Just think about it: Who is going to take hostages in the future if they know an uncaring, overpowered deity will meteor-bomb them out of existence without hesitation? The one negotiation to end all negotiations. Ok, admittely, god is SEVERLY underusing its omnipotence and omniscience in this scenario ... I mean, just create the world in a way that the hostage situation will not come to pass in the first place ...
@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT3 жыл бұрын
"Kill them all, and let Me sort 'em out!"
@adrianthom20733 жыл бұрын
@@christiangreff5764 , that’s how Russians military deal with hostage negotiations. And yes sadly many of the innocent hostages are killed in the process. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
@roems63963 жыл бұрын
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT 😂😂👏👏
@christianosminroden78783 жыл бұрын
@@christiangreff5764 Given that He™️ allegedly has the knowledge and the power to create everything from the intricacy of living cells (and below) to the massiveness of galaxy clusters (and beyond), even as a teen still considering myself a Christian I struggled with His™️ apparent lack of ideas and/or might to find better solutions than those portrayed in the stories taught in „bible class“. I mean, really: WTF?
@SpaceLordof753 жыл бұрын
A joke about Lot’s wife. A teacher tells her Sunday school class the story. One kid says “that’s nothing, my mom was driving the other day, and turned into a telephone pole.”
@ArgentavisMagnificens3 жыл бұрын
I'm dumb, can anyone explain this to me?
@SpaceLordof753 жыл бұрын
@@ArgentavisMagnificens Lot’s wife turned into a pillar of salt. Mom was driving and “turned”, I.e., drove, into a telephone pole with her car.
@ArgentavisMagnificens3 жыл бұрын
@@SpaceLordof75 ohh I see
@thomascarroll95563 жыл бұрын
Maybe better if you say “was driving, looked back, and turned into a telephone pole.”?
@Angus-Johnson-83348 ай бұрын
Jesus is King
@soul4saken3 жыл бұрын
This whole story blew my mind as a kid. I remember being appalled, and I asked why this ok. My father tried to explain it to me. No amount of apologetics ever made it sit well with me. It was one of the things which began cracking my sense of the bible being good and God being fair.
@ca78423 жыл бұрын
Same for me
@ScottDCS3 жыл бұрын
To quote HolyKoolaid "Take this story with a grain of Lot's wife" 😇
@rebeccag72513 жыл бұрын
I seriously have no idea how people believe any of this. 🤦♀️ I love these kind of videos!! Thank you!!
@Fluffykeith3 жыл бұрын
What really gets me is how Lot, the good and righteous man, offers his daughters to the mob because it would be “wicked” for the mob to abuse his Male guests. But not his daughters apparently. And he’s considered a symbol of righteousness. Offering his daughters up to the mob is presented as the right thing to do.
@Fluffykeith3 жыл бұрын
@Eastern fence Lizard According to the story, a good and righteous man would.
@Джонатан-р8д3 жыл бұрын
So Abraham was like, "Nah, I can vouch for Lot. Save that dude." And even though god knew what Lot and his daughters would do, he allowed them to live, but killed every innocent person. What a useless book.
@AssassinoJake3 жыл бұрын
It's like the flood. Were they all evil? Really? Perhaps some were wicked by circumstance, but God said "doesn't matter, they die too." And some would say "it's because of sin." But sin comes from the eating of the fruit of knowledge. Which, given the conditions, Adam and Eve were set up to fail. According to the bible, god is the source of all suffering.
@cuzned13753 жыл бұрын
This is the bit that gets me. The older girl says to her sister, “...there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth...” WHY DOES SHE THINK THAT?? Yes, their town was just destroyed. But they surely knew about the town of Zoar. And they surely knew about Abraham, *Lot’s uncle* . So there’s no way they thought their father was the last man on earth. It’s just the most asinine story, literally from the very beginning.
@mrmaat3 жыл бұрын
Because this is a parallel story to Noah’s flood. Lots of the details are similar, like Noah and Lot both getting drunk. Genesis is a collection of edited myths, and sometimes little continuity errors for by the redactors.
@DiahRhiaJones3 жыл бұрын
One of the main reasons that I could never take religion seriously as a kid. That question of "why did god stop doing all these miraculous things?"
@AdmiralBison3 жыл бұрын
Many of today’s Christians just call every mundane thing and pedestrian of accomplishments, especially that they don’t understand “miraculous” I’m not joking, I lived with some Pentecostals and one of them considered the money their church managed to get for one of their mission flights was a “miracle” as though they’ve never heard of the concept of basic accounting.
@chrisgraham29043 жыл бұрын
Either God is dead, or he just stopped caring.
@chrisgraham29043 жыл бұрын
@Maxx Kroes Yep! The simple explanation is usually the right one.
@GameLeaderR3 жыл бұрын
Same and the extreme ages of so many in the bible made me doubt. Kinda funny how stories ment to make you in awe of God's power actually had the opposite effect.
@apollyonkatastrefia15863 жыл бұрын
That verse where Lot offers his daughters to the crowd has bothered me since I was a small christian.
@xwing24172 жыл бұрын
Especially if the default assumption is that Lot is righteous. He clearly isn't, but only after we take off our rose tinted Bible glasses.
@yarnpower3 жыл бұрын
I attended Catholic parochial school and remember being taught this story when I was eight years old. I was horrified that Lot’s wife was turned into a pillar of salt for just looking back on the place she called home. It seemed so unfair and cruel. As did destroying the whole town when it was just some of the men who were evil. Why punish the women, children, pets, livestock, etc.? Why can’t God be more accurate in his punishments? Surely pin point accuracy should be within the abilities of a god.
@iconoclastvii3 жыл бұрын
I remember thinking many times during my youth how many of the stories in the Bible are about compliance and the consequences of disobedience. These lessons are almost entirely unfair and cruel. In the case of Job it wasn't even punishment it was a pissing contest with the devil. God as anything other than a tyrant only holds up if you cherry pick like crazy and explain away the atrocities as tough love. Thankfully, there is no actual reason to believe he exists. Sadly, there are a lot of people out there who are not given the freedom to reach that conclusion absent loss of family and social standing.
@valkyriefrost53013 жыл бұрын
@@iconoclastvii - Unfortunately, these teachings reinforce the natural disposition of some people who then use the bible as justification for their own avarice. Obey your betters or be punished. Lessons taught to the child so that when they grow up, they understand their (lower) place in the world and learn not to question established authority. Even Elon Musk falls into this category of people when he says the US has the right to take Lithium for other countries without due.
@Groffili3 жыл бұрын
It's the Bible! Women, children, pets and livestock do not count. They are possessions of the people who do count: men. And as such, they can be bartered, offered, discarded and dealth with in any way then men want. Yes, they may be _treasured_ possessions... but they are still only possessions.
@GameLeaderR3 жыл бұрын
Reading through Genisis there are a lot of times when God sounds very limited in his abilities instead of omnipotent. I thought Lot's wife was just an collateral damage and it got me wondering why God was so sloppy with his attacks. Also God's Angels don't have some sort of out of other worldly and heavenly defence, they just have Holy Pepper Spray lol. Obi-wan would have had the group going home and rethinking their lives.
@sergioalmeida23702 жыл бұрын
There weren’t any precision guided weapons during that time..
@thinkthinker443 жыл бұрын
I have several art pieces that work out my feelings about these very stories. The biblical abuse of women and children was very obvious to me as a child, and as psychologically traumatizing as the physical and mental abuse I was enduring at home. Kind of a mirror, really. I was there to be sacrificed for a broken father's piece of mind. Learning to endure the dissonance can be a matter of life and death.
@marelinem5413 жыл бұрын
Been there, done that. I wish you luck and healing.
@patchso3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It's really quite frightening reading about how women have been treated at various times and in various cultures. Actually scares the crap out of me and I'm a man!
@esands363 жыл бұрын
Where tf did Lot's daughters get wine in the middle of nowhere
@persistall3 жыл бұрын
Well christians have this thing with wine and blood plus they are girls/women...I'll leave it to your imagination.
@esands363 жыл бұрын
@@persistall Touché
@GS-lq2is3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesoneil1388 😂😂
@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT3 жыл бұрын
I shouldn't have to explain this, but if your emergency bugout kit does not contain at least enough alcohol to get the entire family blackout drunk for a three day weekend, then you're failing to adequately prepare for disasters of biblical proportions.
@GS-lq2is3 жыл бұрын
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT A stellar response.
@demonkisser3 жыл бұрын
Back when I was grasping for belief, I came up with the hypothesis that he didn't know she became a pillar of salt until the next day, like Abraham seeing the next day. But not that there was a Sarah-shaped pillar of salt, but instead that the "destruction" included lightning, which formed some fulgurite, which was taken to be salt. I believed that she was lost and this was a post hoc rationalization for what happened. Now I just don't believe it happened at all.
@Conserpov3 жыл бұрын
Wut? It's obvious that he killed his wife and told his underage daughters not to look back, inventing a bullshit excuse. Then he did the Fritzl.
@joshuacadavid8713 жыл бұрын
I also find it strange how the story of Lot almost giving up his daughters for sexual appeasement to the angry crowd is basically mirrored in Judges 19: 22 - 26. I find that very interesting.
@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT3 жыл бұрын
It seems like any hero or likeable protagonist was purposely omitted from both stories. Matt submitted a plausible motive in the Sodom account. The final chapters of Judges are essentially pro-monarchy propaganda: tales of the lawless frontier used to frighten a loose confederation into support for a strong centralized authority.
@joshuacadavid8713 жыл бұрын
@@ResourcefulNomad I does to some extent, I didn't realize that! This story n Judges also seems to be a version of Lot and his two daughters gone wrong (as if the original already didn't).
@iconoclastvii3 жыл бұрын
If you guys haven't listened to Richard Carrier you ought to. He breaks down the Bible petty thoroughly. There is a LOT of retelling of old tales beat for beat.
@joshuacadavid8713 жыл бұрын
@@iconoclastvii I have listened to Richard Carrier's lectures and he seems very convincing, however, I don't agree with the Mythicist position. Similar to Matt Dillahunty's position I'm pretty fine with the existence or lack of existence of a true Jesus figure (or Jesus's (plural).
@Chance573 жыл бұрын
@@joshuacadavid871 once you're at the plural stage you might as well be a mythicist imo. Without a singular historical jesus, what's the foundation to even build historicity off of?
@thinkthinker443 жыл бұрын
Also, it is interesting to me whenever I find echoes of older stories. Like turning Mrs. Lot to a pillar of salt being like whenever the Greek or Roman gods granted mortals a boon they would include such petty rules, that if broken would negate the just granted boon. Like granting Orpheus access to the underworld to fetch his wife Eurydice and telling him he cannot look back to be sure she is following, just take it on faith, or she will be lost forever. Of course he's just not strong enough to go the distance, and looks back at the very last second, and she is yanked back before his doubting eyes.
@brucebaker8103 жыл бұрын
The genie stories... Deal with the devil...
@domiro81563 жыл бұрын
Yeah..... I did think of Orpheus and his Eurydice..... It seems that the Bible yet recycled another story from older existing religions.........
@Uhlbelk3 жыл бұрын
Like most myths and fables, the post hoc story is the most reasonable conclusion. Why was Lot's wife turned to salt? To explain strange towers of stone or strange locations of salt. Why does eating shellfish in the middle of a desert tend to lead to being sick when fish doesn't? God must have made them unclean.
@samuelpollock25723 жыл бұрын
The whole pillar of salt, fire and brimstone thing has always reminded me of mount Vesuvius. I went to Pompeii years ago, and I saw the bodies that were entombed in ash. I think it's not too far out of the realm of possibility that this story is recalling a volcanic eruption, and that perhaps Lot's wife was, in fact, "turned into a pillar of salt," that is to say entombed in the ash.
@Uhlbelk3 жыл бұрын
@@samuelpollock2572 more likely to explain inland salt lakes like the dead sea, they had no way to know why one body of water would be salty and another fresh, so they invented god turning people to salt.
@terryboot77773 жыл бұрын
"Why did things like this stop?" asks Matt. EXACTLY.
@AdmiralBison3 жыл бұрын
Because Yahweh likes to play hide and seek...also we don’t allow him into schools anymore.
@patchso3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Just after Matt recorded this, he was sadly turned into a pillar of pepper.
@krizula11172 жыл бұрын
@@AdmiralBison Good! Keep the children sane
@seanmmccarthy3 жыл бұрын
An amazing detailed and well thought out analysis of something that's obviously bullshit. Keep up the good work Matt.
@nates90293 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the story of Lot was one of the main things that bothered me when I first read the Bible as a teenager. When I explained the story to my friends in my church they didn't believe me until they read it for themselves. It is also one of the stories I use to see if someone has actually read the Bible or not. If they haven't read it, the only part they know is the part about men of the city and Lot's wife. They don't know about Lot offering his virgin daughters for the men to rape and later his daughters getting him drug and having sex with him. But this is the good book....sure.
@johnathanolson23 жыл бұрын
It always amazed me that Christians would use this story to condemn all gay people, but they think nothing of how evil Lot was to offer his own daughters (not their decision) to be raped (not their consent). There's no way that's more moral by any standards lol. What a horrible father. But that's consistent with Christian ideals of parenting and even their abusive god.
@michaelsommers23563 жыл бұрын
Consent? What's that? They were his property, to do with as he pleased.
@user-gk9lg5sp4y3 жыл бұрын
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters As christians prove daily
@hope-cat48943 жыл бұрын
The weirdest part is that people are more upset that it was men who wanted to rape male angels, and not that the men of the city wanted to rape at all. So if the angels were female, would it be ok? If it was the women of Sodom who wanted male angels, would that make it better? Why is homosexuality the big issue here? Priorities...
@herbetone3 жыл бұрын
Can I please take this opportunity, just to thank you Matt. I have been recovering from religion for four years, and I owe this to finding you and AXP. I can honestly say freedom is dam good. 😎
@brianh8703 жыл бұрын
"Be ye angels?" "Nah, we are but men, WHO ROCK!"
@toastedcheeze23572 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you brought that up Matt! I'm going to bring this up next time the story is read!
@carriehallahan55683 жыл бұрын
You literally cannot make these videos fast enough, Matt. They're so good and informative.
@puirYorick3 жыл бұрын
I love it when you dissect these ridiculous fairy tales in short snippets but still give all the relevant context.
@dollgirl4everdoll5523 жыл бұрын
Love your channel matt, am an exmuslim, now atheist. I saw one of your videos about "women in the Bible" and was wondering if you would do about the women in Quran too as you mentioned?. Wish you the best👍🏾
@christiananderson49093 жыл бұрын
Good idea.
@jollyandwaylo3 жыл бұрын
Matt isn't an expert in the Quran. You should do it since you were raised in the religion. That would be much better since you could put it in context of what people assumed about those stories when you were growing up.
@daithiocinnsealach19823 жыл бұрын
People respond much more the closer someone is to them culturally and ethnically.
@dollgirl4everdoll5523 жыл бұрын
@@jollyandwaylo yes ofc, but i would like to hear his point of view.
@gamingdragon13563 жыл бұрын
I really don't get how mocking Christianity or Islam makes atheism better .
@materialclassified3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Matt! You're looking healthy and rested. Much thanks for helping lead me out of religion back in the day. Good to see you again!
@Thekingmaker3 жыл бұрын
No lie, as a black man I get turned into a pillar of salt everytime I get out of the shower, lotion helps tho
@dcmbassi3 жыл бұрын
The Shellfish Incident would be a great addition to the Apocrypha. XD
@DavidRobinson-rj2sp3 жыл бұрын
The whole Bible can be taken with a pinch of salt. They even invented a dude called Jesus in the New Testament.
@gregorymehlhose14413 жыл бұрын
A pinch of Lot's wife 😆
@nicolasandre98863 жыл бұрын
@@gregorymehlhose1441 : there won't be enough for everybody.
@Moldylocks3 жыл бұрын
Bible needs to be taken with a pillar of salt.
@domiro81563 жыл бұрын
@@Moldylocks Realistically..... a whole bloody mine will NOT even suffice!!!
@Angus-Johnson-83348 ай бұрын
Jesus is King. And he wasn’t invented he was real.
@estebancoria72263 жыл бұрын
YES! To all of this 👏👏👏 obviously it’s a theory but this is the first time I’ve heard any rational explanation regarding this absurd tale. Thank you for this gem 💎
@gurnygub3 жыл бұрын
I think this is one of the most abhorrent passages in the bible. If I wrote a book even if it was fictional I would find it difficult to put something close to this in it. I would worry in case the reader would wonder what sort of warped mindset I possessed.
@daithiocinnsealach19823 жыл бұрын
But many don't worry about such things. There is example after example. There is no universally recognized right way to behave. We have physiological indicators and physical boundaries. I mean honestly I think it's possible it's just some crazy story some priest wrote and at the time with such media being so scarce or so new it was kept and treasured as a great story and then with a moral lesson and then as inspired and infallible Scripture.
@slickestrick41173 жыл бұрын
It would be just as silly to question someones motives or mindset for watching an extremely gory horror movie as it would be to question their love of any other genre, you should consider critically assessing that bias.
@austins51453 жыл бұрын
Matt, Thank you so much for rescuing me from this bologna!
@kenwelch1983 жыл бұрын
Here we go! Another episode of F'd up bible stories! Pretty much the whole book is full of them.
@chrisgraham29043 жыл бұрын
Amazon says, "If you enjoyed the Bible, you might also enjoy Harry Potter or The Lord of the Rings."
@bdhampster3 жыл бұрын
I just found this channel and am very much enjoying it. Thank you.
@laurajarrell61873 жыл бұрын
Matt, I watched this right after I got notified, but company came. I agree with you. Telling, also, how women are only valued for babies. Male babies. Lots' wife has no name. None do. Just the boys. Such a horrific story for kids! 👍💞🥰✌😷🎃
@loyisog47953 жыл бұрын
This is a great channel if you wanna unlearn the subconscious beliefs we adopted through the years of Bible indoctrination. Thank you Matt.
@daithiocinnsealach19823 жыл бұрын
The KJV Onlyists are quietly delighted that Matt Dilahunty loves ol' king Jimmy 👑
@timothynelissen9483 жыл бұрын
He prefers KJV because you can get a copyright strike if you use a more modern translation
@electricc4373 жыл бұрын
@@timothynelissen948 Wtf?
@daithiocinnsealach19823 жыл бұрын
@@timothynelissen948 He said he loves it in the video. I'm sure he probably does. Why not? The old dialect can sound more poetic sometimes.
@timothynelissen9483 жыл бұрын
@@daithiocinnsealach1982 sorry, I must have missed that bit
@adamwoodruff77913 жыл бұрын
One of the earliest dominoes in my deconstruction was a middle eastern texts class where the teacher suggested that the story of Noah’s children after leaving the ark was likely to justify the Hebrews claiming ownership to the land. It made me confused then, now it’s a theory I would subscribe to. Similar to this discussion. Thanks, Matt.
@jeffersonian0003 жыл бұрын
When you go to the Dead Sea in Israel, there is a spire of salt that looks like a woman. The entire story of Lot and his wife is to explain why that spire looks like a woman. The story also explains the ruins of two towns that are near the Dead Sea. That’s it, nothing more to it. I saw the pillar when I toured the Dead Sea while I was in Israel working at an Intel plant as a contractor. The lesson here is that it’s just a story, nothing more than that. I’ve found that you can just ask an Israeli archeologist about the history of an area, and you will find out why Christianity is bullshit.
@stevethecatcouch65323 жыл бұрын
The documentaries about the area that I have seen show several pillars of salt which resemble women to some degree. One may have looked more like a woman than the others before all were subjected to a few thousand years of erosion. But yeah, the story of Lot started as a just so story about ruined cities and pillars of salt.
@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe83072 жыл бұрын
Are you one of those sad fools who purchased a piece of paper with lord written on? 1) You can call your self lord in scotland or anywhere without doing anything! 2) IF YOU DO! you really need to think your life over and decide if you wish to continue to be so sad and pathetic or to get help!
@jeffersonian0002 жыл бұрын
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 If being negative about the happiness of others makes you happy, that says more about you than it does them. Did you consider some people enjoy the notion of planting trees? Are you against planting trees?
@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe83072 жыл бұрын
@@jeffersonian000 HIGH KING, EMPEROR, PHARAOH, KUBLAI, SHAH, KOHMEINI, KING OF THE ANDALS, THE RYOYNAR AND THE FIRST MEN, Immortal ruler OF SCOTLAND, THE WORLD , THIS UNIVERSE AND ALL OF THE MULTIVERSE and owner of the "peasant lords of scotland" FOR ETERNITY Dan Quayle here! (proving im way happier than you by your standard of your worthless "title") QUESTIONS AAAA) WHEN PEOPLE ASK WHAT MAKES YOU A LORD WHAT WOULD YOUR REPLY BE? 1) So you do realise you can play pretend and call yourself lord without buying the fake title from a Cayman Island Company? "If being negative about the happiness of others " 2) So what makes you happy by putting LORD in front of you name? TELL IM EXTREMELY INTERESTED WHY YOU WOULD DO THIS! 3) Do you show your friend/relative your print out (I BET YOU HAVE IT HANGING WHERE PEOPLE SEE IT) do you falsely claim to be a real lord? Does it make you feel good about yourself? (or atleast you like to think it does?) "Did you consider some people enjoy the notion of planting trees?" 4) So this is your excuse? You could have spent all that money! (How much did you pay and did you purchase the print out? "certificate") ON PLANTING TREES instead! But you didnt you gave money to a company owners to pocket. To get a piece of paper you could have printed out WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST AS A VALID! 5) So why are you making excuses for your decision? Defensive because you dont want to say "I paid 70$ for a piece for a lousy print out saying im lord in scotland when I could have done a much better job myself" The tree is clearly a psychological trick to boost sales. What did they pay 2$ for the tree and planting? But does it make you as happy as using an how old picture online that doesnt show as you are today? So its about what people think of you? Imagine if you had some thing real to show and tell people about? But you never see people with Degrees, Masters, Doctorates putting them on their lounge wall and telling people! WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE? Please tell Im fascinated with whats going on in your mind!
@jeffersonian0002 жыл бұрын
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 How quant, the Threadomancer is triggered. Imagine if you had commented on the post instead of the name, you may have gotten an answer instead of an analysis. At least I post under my own name, and not a Pseudepigrapha.
@daveoh133 жыл бұрын
i find it interesting that the only people who have names in this story are lot & his 2 incest babies; his lovely wife & 2 lovely daughters were nameless... when i heard this story as a kid, most of the details were left out by the preacher; it was, "the people were wicked, 'god' was angry & going to destroy the city, lot & family escape the fire & brimstone, lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt, so don't sin against 'god'!"... it wasn't until i read that book from cover to cover that i realized that i was not told the whole story, not just about this story, but about the whole book itself... bringing up this story when dealing with theists is always a fun way to end the conversation, now, though... btw; this story is so good, it's virtually repeated in judges chapter 19 [with some detail changes, plus nobody has names], right down to the specific dialogue that supposedly occurred...
@ShukakuTheCrazy13 жыл бұрын
The don't look back thing reminds me of the myths of Orpheus and Izanagi
@marshalllindsay3153 жыл бұрын
The story I heard on Lot’s wife was that she hadn’t simply turned to look, she turned to regret that the city had been destroyed and the end of her happily debauched life there. She wasn’t be-salted for the looking but for the longing.
@ShukakuTheCrazy13 жыл бұрын
@@marshalllindsay315 personally I think its more of a obedience thing. Always obey the alpha male
@marshalllindsay3153 жыл бұрын
@@ShukakuTheCrazy1 I think it’s a little more pernicious. The punishment is for the wrong thoughts or, a little more Orwellian, “she is guilty of wrong think”. It goes to the vicious notion that you can never be innocent in the eyes of God. Or to me at the pulpit who will raise the entire congregation up against you. Not for an act but for a thought I can convince people you had, perhaps even yourself. Now go forth and sin no more.
@redcowcat87053 жыл бұрын
Baking bread from scratch actually doesn't take that much time. It can take as little as 2 hours. Most of the time is waiting for the dough to rise.
@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT3 жыл бұрын
Starting out with whole grain adds to the prep time, especially if the millstone is essentially a mortar and pestle.
@redcowcat87053 жыл бұрын
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT i don't think she started with a whole grain. She probably had grinded graines already.
@sujoygupta52643 жыл бұрын
lockdown has made us ALL bread making experts XD
@dianahill72393 жыл бұрын
Rolls, bagels, croissants.
@brucebaker8103 жыл бұрын
depends on what you call bread. unleavened bread could be pita on a hot rock. Half an hour (if fire set).
@GlamRockSydney19873 жыл бұрын
Love these in-depth bible story videos. Keep up the good work Mr. Dillahunty!
@goldenyak6293 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, Sodom is named for 'sodomy', and Gomorrah is named for, like, an even weirder move.
@daithiocinnsealach19823 жыл бұрын
Gomedy? Gomorrahy?
@ray0tj3 жыл бұрын
@@daithiocinnsealach1982 ''CumMoreAaahh'' .....
@randolphphillips31043 жыл бұрын
Other way around, "sodomy" is from Sodom. They didn't name the town in the story based on an existing word, they created a word from the name in the story.
@mikecrowley24723 жыл бұрын
@@randolphphillips3104 - like "onanism".
@dorothyvanbrocklin24243 жыл бұрын
Sodom means "burnt" Gamorrah means "overwhelmed by water"
@atomsofstardust3 жыл бұрын
The more I watch your channel and your dissection of these biblical atrocities the less I understand how can people in the 21st century believe in this or justify that. Even if there was a god, if he's anything close to what's described in the bible I personally wouldn't want to deal with that prick at all. But thank you a lot for creating all this content, it's eye opening to say the least, especially for a person like me who never fully read that book of tales, and judging by its content (as shown in many of your videos) I don't have any urge to read that atrocious book anytime soon.
@puckerings3 жыл бұрын
It probably wouldn't take too long to make the bread, since it would be unleavened, no need to allow it time to rise.
@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT3 жыл бұрын
Leavened bread was described multiple times in terms of ritual impurity, but only starting from the time of the exodus. It wouldn't be relevant in this story anyway, since Lot was not Abraham's descendant, and not bound by Yahweh's covenant.
@aikendrum29082 жыл бұрын
Whatever else you say about the story of Lot’s wife turning to a pillar of salt, at least it was there to be used brilliantly by Kurt Vonnegut in the opening chapter of Slaughterhouse Five - one of my favorite passages in literature, perfectly setting the tone for the rest of the book.
@torbennielsen75293 жыл бұрын
This story make a brothers Grimm story very logical
@dramakween693 жыл бұрын
I recall when I first read this verse... disgust would be the best word to describe what I felt. Sick and twisted also come to mind...
@ca78423 жыл бұрын
Yep
@gastropod5573 жыл бұрын
"Mrs. Lot's Gourmet Salt" A Middle-East Delicacy ~Kosher/Halal~
@hzoonka42033 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Matt,the explanation for the"Incest"story makes a lot of sense to me now.
@jannettb79303 жыл бұрын
I grew up JW, and as a young child I always had a really hard time with the mythical nature of supposedly historical bible events. (So mythical that I thought Hercules was a bible figure and must have been a nephilim.) When I was 9 I decided to read the whole bible so I could understand better, and I was actually strongly discouraged from an independent reading outside my weekly bible study. It was Lot's daughters' incest and the complete lack of biblical comment, consequences, punishments, anything, that really made me start questioning the bible instead of questioning myself. Everyone told me it was my lack of understanding, but no one could give me a better one.
@kevinjohnson80163 жыл бұрын
Jehovah's witnesses are full of shit which Is why you're an atheist now
@extremelylargeslug44383 жыл бұрын
Hello fellow ex-JW! I agree, the Bible is horrific and even during congregation meetings where these stories were referenced or talked about, many JW’s wouldn’t comment because they realized how terrible these actions were.
@jannettb79303 жыл бұрын
@@kevinjohnson8016 you have no idea my journey or reasonings, don't try to be a mind reader
@jannettb79303 жыл бұрын
@@extremelylargeslug4438 I don't ever remember any discussions of it, just the vague notion that times are different then and what more can you expect of women. That part of the story adds nothing to the story of jesus, it's always baffled me that through multiple edits and reorganizations people read that and said 'yep. That's an important lesson. We have to include the incest of Lot and his daughters.'
@kevinjohnson80163 жыл бұрын
@@jannettb7930 I just know JW cult is not Christianity and man made. so you left a cult to be an atheist which is still a bad position. you jump from the frying pan into a fire.
@bryanaperry87603 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, and i absolutely love this background. Sorry if you've used it before, but i'm just now noticing it lol
@scottplumer36683 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that the Lot story is used to JUSTIFY incest, not the other way around. "Well, they had to, in order to continue their bloodline."
@lnsflare13 жыл бұрын
I mean, they pretty explicitly didn't *have* to, since only 2 cities were wiped out and they had even been dropped off at a third city that was still standing before they decided to flee to the wilderness. If any of this was even remotely based on a true story, I'm thinking that it feels more like Lot and his daughters were chased out of town for committing incest, with Lot's wife staying behind.
@chrisgraham29043 жыл бұрын
How was Lot's bloodline doomed due to his advanced age and the loss of his wife? He already has 2 daughters to carry on his bloodline. Wasn't Noah still banging out babies at 900 years old?
@scottplumer36682 жыл бұрын
@@chrisgraham2904 Perhaps he needed sons.
@Jeremyramone3 жыл бұрын
Excellent and fascinating! More videos like this por favor, your important work is quite greatly appreciated. Thanks very much.
@malirk3 жыл бұрын
0:28 - God attempts to smite Matt
@cricket911813 жыл бұрын
He finally got him!!!😂😂😂
@mikecrowley24723 жыл бұрын
That's a great, and totally plausible, reason for the incest myth. Thanks for this insight. I've heard (not actually been there) that near the salt-saturated Dead Sea there is an area of salt pillars. I don't know if this is anywhere near the "cities of the plain" but it seems possible that, at one time, one of these pillars had the appearance of a woman. Of course, this is pure speculation but it may have been the motivation for that portion of the alleged scenario. As in, "You have the audacity to doubt my story? Behold, skeptic, the very pillar itself!"
@samalthus3 жыл бұрын
Ever see the movie “Wholly Moses!” (Dudley Moore, 1980). It has some funny takes on several Bible stories including Sodom. (They rebuilt it, it’s called New Sodom)
@babsbylow68693 жыл бұрын
A great double feature with Monty Python's Life of Brian.
@brucebaker8103 жыл бұрын
2Soddom, 2Gomorrah
@Increda-bad3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of that episode of The Last Air Bender, with the 2 tribes that hated eachother because of their respective believed histories of the founders who were of course the inspiration for the names of the respective tribes, at the end aang just says he knew the founders 100 years ago back before he was frozen and that the whole situation was just the story of a game they played one time but over time it was blown out of reality, and then he tells the main gang that he literally just made it up to get them to stop fighting eachother
@jedi77palmer3 жыл бұрын
This story with Lots daughters is exactly where I could no longer continue reading the Bible.
@davidroosa45613 жыл бұрын
You have given me a "Lot" to think about... But I'll take it with a grain of salt. But I'll never look back
@k1ln1k373 жыл бұрын
Alternate/similar version of your theory, Matt: The story was probably made up propaganda, the likes we've seen plenty examples of.
@icangbelang5273 жыл бұрын
Great one Matt, Please do the new testaments ridiculous stories too
@saymyname89253 жыл бұрын
And thats how god invented salt
@shaneemmons95083 жыл бұрын
Never thought of it that way but it’s hilarious that the whole story could have been in essence an elaborate ancient battle rap verse. I wonder if there are any undiscovered Moab rebuttals.
@kristofftaylovoski603 жыл бұрын
Why not a pillar of salt and pepper???
@domiro81563 жыл бұрын
You've got a point...... Why wasn't Lot's wife (doesn't she have a name?) offered, AT LEAST, her OWN choice of spices to be turned into????
@cratonorogen92083 жыл бұрын
Great take on the story Matt.
@dwaynecaron56293 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the offspring have birth defects. The whole lot story is just the worst. As a father of three daughters, what Lot did is the most repulsive thing imaginable. He should have been turned into a pillar of shit.
@AdmiralBison3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I’ve brought that up when it comes to incestious events with Christians Adam and Eve’s kids and their kids. Noah, his wife and their three sons’ wives Lot and his daughters. The answers is along the lines of hand waving “incest was not a sin back then and therefore couldn’t be effected by that generic stuff”, not understanding the question or outright ignoring it. It’s like many Christians where told to answer any and all criticisms in a certain by by their religion/churches and not to give it too much thought.
@brucebaker8103 жыл бұрын
It's OT. I think one excuse/presumption is the genes weren't fouled then. So incest wasn't bad yet. So this "New Covenant" that exempts them from OT embarassments... Also cut lifespan from 600 > 70. Made incest bad. Adds Hell to the deal. Makes thoughts and making money crimes. ...
@adrianjanssens71163 жыл бұрын
Very interesting Matt. On an artistic note: nice wallpaper.
@haleythered18573 жыл бұрын
Well there is only one explanation that makes sense and yes, it involves aliens.
@brucebaker8103 жыл бұрын
Or maybe time travel?
@Realist-sh3dg3 жыл бұрын
When the eldest daughter named her son Moab the name means from my father that union eventually led to Ruth the Great Grandmother of King David. A similar event in Gen CH 38 Judah has relations with Timar his daughter-in-law and that union became King David's ancestors.
@raygowan19683 жыл бұрын
Matt drops a "Yo mama" line & so far not 1 yo mama joke has been posted. I am highly disappointed in all of you.
@biteme90083 жыл бұрын
You mama is... ...a pillar of salt. I'm so sorry, here's some alcohol, grieve.
@jasonsabbath69963 жыл бұрын
Damn it! I thought he said Yo-Yo Ma and was about to make a cello joke! Glad I read your comment first! 😉😂🤣
@wesley1353 жыл бұрын
I love this so much I've been showing this video to everyone. This is biblical Cannon now.
@wesley1353 жыл бұрын
Angels are so hot an entire town was going to rape them LOL
@3163503 жыл бұрын
Matt, there are a few issues with your incest theory. I’ll mention one. Abraham and Sarah were biological siblings; they shared the same father. The Israelites, through the line of Isaac (a child born from a brother impregnating his sister), had no grounds to diminish their cousins regarding incest.
@elly33593 жыл бұрын
Lot and his daughters is a different case tho (father-daughter incest)... Probably this was considered more taboo for the audience at the time these stories were made
@3163503 жыл бұрын
@@elly3359 what do you think about Leviticus 18? I think it bares out that all kinds of incestuous relationships were not as taboo among many people, including parent-child incest (perhaps primarily between mothers-sons). It is written that these incestuous relationships were common among the peoples in Egypt and Canaan (which may have included the Israelites themselves while in Egypt).
@elly33593 жыл бұрын
@@316350 my theory is that the Lot story (which supposedly explains the origin of certain people who happened to be Hebrew enemies) was a way to dissuade the people from emulating those kind of incestous practices... Then Moses later included those other relationships in Lev.18 as taboo/prohibited But you're right, and it's strange tbh that the bible is littered with incest especially among god's chosen people
@ninjaturtletyke33283 жыл бұрын
@@316350 I think it could be some Zoroastrian influence that found its way in ancient Hebrew religion. Whatever that was, passed down and reinterpreted to suit their then modern commandments that all of that was immoral.
@thetruthrover3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if this is due to translation differences, but my recollection of the "angels" visiting Abram is that they are called 'Elohim' by the narrator; And when they disembark from Abram's camp, two of them leave on foot to Sodom, while the main one, 'El' goes up, presumably to heaven. One thing i find glaringly inconsistent is the fact that in this story, Abram is allowed and encouraged to quibble with the Lord, yet later when asked to slaughter his son, he does it without question. This makes no sense at all from a human standpoint. Love your videos by the way, Matt.
@abycarroll2753 жыл бұрын
Wait, were Lot's daughters virgins or were they married?
@charlidog23 жыл бұрын
Engaged, I think.
@marelinem5413 жыл бұрын
Two different sets of daughters, I think. Lot had some married daughters and some too young to be married daughters.
@brucebaker8103 жыл бұрын
married daughters...he went to warn their husbands, who spurned him. the younger, still at home daughters had the adventure.
@josegaleano15303 жыл бұрын
thanks for the program I wonder if Noah was a historical person with his daughters?
@SiriusMined3 жыл бұрын
I always think of the movie Wholly Moses, and how Laraine Newman's character got turned into a pillar of salt as well. Dudley Moore's character kept her around and it would scrape salt off of her. It was hilarious.
@MikeGill873 жыл бұрын
Fun fact about the salt thingy - a few years ago, me and a few friends, we did a road trip through Jordan (the country) and somewhere along the eastern coast of the Dead Sea, there was a sign pointing towards some rock formation called "Lot's Wife". We obviously didn't bother to go there, it's just another rock formation with a silly name, like "mayor's tooth" or "Lion's Head" (one day after visiting Petra, one is fed up with rock formations for life, already having seen the best in the world :-D). But after some time it dawned on me - we're in flippin' Jordan, so there are probably thousands of people who stop there every year and really consider that piece of rock to be THE Lot's Wife.
@charliewilson36103 жыл бұрын
That bit about insulting the Moabites seemed self evident to me when I read the Old Testament, but I'm glad to hear someone else say it.
@johnbreckbuhl48493 жыл бұрын
I was taught that the pilar of salt could also be translated as 'lump of ashes', along with suggestions of it being an ancient nuclear attack. Influenced by all that Ancient Aliens genre.
@markusmiekk-oja37173 жыл бұрын
The hypothesis you present with regards to the origin of the Lot incest narrative as a joke at neighboring tribes' expense is one I've been pushing as well. However, a few additional notes: - The tribe's name Mo'ab (reasonably close to the hebrew for 'from the father') might have inspired someone to come up with this story? The name itself seems reasonably likely to be older than the story (c.f. a mention in an egyptian list of conquests in 1300BCE). - The relationship between the Israelites and the ammonites and moabites seem to have been more complex than just Jews hating on them; c.f. one of the few named converts to Judaism in the Bible, and the only one afaict to have a book named for her (and one of the few women to have a book named for her) is Ruth, a moabite. Regardless if the book of Ruth is anything like anything that actually happened, it's clear that the book was held in high enough regard to be included in the canon despite its eponymous hero being a moabite woman. - The catholic encyclopedia at the very least hinted at your hypothesis already back in 1907. It's weird that it hasn't gained any traction since. www.newadvent.org/cathen/01431b.htm Yes, there's some cautious words thrown around there to try and imply that maybe it was not _only_ a source of snide remarks regarding their neighbors, but that's sort of part and parcel for 1907 catholic publications.
@harveywabbit95413 жыл бұрын
Moab is two words of Mo (water) and ab (father). This water-father is the man with the water pitcher in Aquarius, just like Moses, Osiris, Hermes, Thoth, Bacchus, Janus, and many other river gods. Other spellings of Moses are Meses, Mises, Muses. Take a looik at the word Medad and Eldad which are Me (water) and dad (lover). Eldad = El (ram) + dad (lover). Medad refers to the fall equnox (Libra) and Eldad refers to the spring equinox (Aries). Recommend "Hebrew Mythology or Science of the Bible," by Milton Woolley. free on the net.
@markusmiekk-oja37173 жыл бұрын
@@harveywabbit9541 Take that astrotheology bullshit and stuff it. Milton Woolley was an ignorant huckster who didn't understand his sources and wouldn't have recognized rational inquiry if it bit him in the face. What does the idea of "Moab being the man with the water pitcher" contribute to understanding the context of that verse? Nothing.
@JohannRosario13 жыл бұрын
The mythical destruction of Atlantis, the destruction of Sodom and Gamora, and the story of Pharos armies swallowed up by the Red Sea, may all be inspired by the actual event of the Minoan volcanic eruption of Thera-Santorini around 1600 BCE when all these stories of destruction are said to have also taken place. The explosion was so massive and catastrophic that it devastated the cultures in the eastern side of the Mediterranean. As for the pillar of salt, this may be inspired by eroded vertical salt deposites around the coast of the Dead Sea that inhabitants at the time believed to be salt petrified apparitions of the dead. Also it’s important to remember ANGEL actually means MESSENGER. These angel-men may have been similar to spies before a military invasion. And you are correct about “YOUR MAMA AND DADDY ARE DESCENDANTS OF INCEST” theory. It’s been observed before as a possible historic insult in its origin.
@williambloodworth51263 жыл бұрын
Matt Dillahuntey: Destroying religous ignorance and insanity on a daily basis... and loving it 👍😂
@domiro81563 жыл бұрын
YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
@laz55903 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and original angle to see this story ! Definitely agree with you
@FreedomDefender073 жыл бұрын
When I was a Christian, my decision to attempt to read the entire Bible by reading a little a day made me stumble upon the story of Lot's daughters getting their father drunk to rape him. This story in particular really shocked me and confused me to the point that I stopped reading because I didn't know how I could process it and rationalize it out in the context of my understanding at the time. But, looking back, I wonder how many people in the congregation at the time actually knew of the existence of this story. And by extension, it makes me wonder what percentage of Christians have actually even read the entire Bible.
@samuelpollock25723 жыл бұрын
The whole pillar of salt, fire and brimstone thing has always reminded me of mount Vesuvius. I went to Pompeii years ago, and I saw the bodies that were entombed in ash. I think it's not too far out of the realm of possibility that this story is recalling a volcanic eruption, and that perhaps Lot's wife was, in fact, "turned into a pillar of salt," that is to say entombed in the ash.
@danstoian77213 жыл бұрын
I agree. Similarly, I think the story of Babel has the role not just to explain why people came to speak different tongues, if they where all descendants of one pair. But also why people came to believe in different gods.