Atheist VS Witchcraft

Yes, witches are real! How do you define magic? How many gods are there?
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[@JacobraTheGreat]

I'm one of those people that moved from Christianity, to Wicca/witchcraft, to atheism. Even though I don't believe in gods and goddesses in the literal sense, I do still have a strong appreciation for the Wiccan point of view. When you consider that many practitioners only believe in the gods symbolically, and not as actual beings, you realize that witchcraft is actually just a really elaborate way to change your mental state and how you perceive yourself and the world. It's quite beautiful in a way.

[@stardust4001]

Jacobra The Great Cringe

[@AriaIsara]

Agreed. I love the pagan and Wiccan views even though I don't necessarily believe in the same thing they do. There's a clear positive aspect to these views even if there's nothing really supernatural.

[@zukosama8420]

Witchcraft isn't a placebo effect. It's the manipulation of energy to create change in your life using your conscious, subconscious, and 7 bodies (astral, etheric, etc.)

[@gemsstr7933]

Jacobra The Great love what you said here! Even after moving away from being Christian into atheist, I still saw things in a very spiritual light (how connected we are with everything in the universe, rather than separate). And I just recently found the pagan worldview to be such a beautiful expression of how we all relate in this world. I'm considering the druid path in practice more from a symbolic perspective & just as fulfilling. Being a former Wiccan, would you have any advice that could help me in understanding the pagan practices? Thanks!

[@amythompson4537]

Jacobra The Great I am wiccan and I see the gods and goddesses more as nature it's self and the spirits in the earth.

[@HoofInDenver]

This is interesting. I'm an atheist but if religion has to be a thing, I'd like it to be like what he described. There wasn't any " you're defective because you don't believe what I believe" vibe. It was more of an explanation and you're welcome if you want to be a part of it. Take note, Christians!

[@witchassbitch3]

Chris Vanderhoof hence the reason I love being a witch! It's so much more positive than Christianity. There's no "saving". There's just being.

[@spoon444]

well I find lots of Christians to be quite accepting of others beliefs. I was raised by my father who identified as Christian and he told me that I could believe in whatever I wanted as long as it was positive and loving. To me, most of those christians you’re talking about are old style and that’s just how they grew up. Christianity and Christians themselves has evolved. Of course, you’re allowed to view any religion however you’d like!

[@francisraffy2376]

Even islam

[@stxrryd]

Witchcraft is not a religion. It’s a practice. There are Christian witches, Jewish witches, Hindu witches, atheistic witches, etc.

[@LDT7Y]

​I was raised strict christian, then went total atheist, now I read the Bible from a more agnostic POV and I notice a lot of bits that don't seem to be taught by 'churches'. Such as the fact that there is a book of names that not everyone is written in, therefore christianity should be available to everyone but not pushed on them (as some christians do) as the books themselves state that only a few people will follow christianity. It also says to test everything and several core figures argue with God, which I don't think many christians like the idea of. But I think that is more the fault of organised religion. If people were just left to read and interpret the Bible for themselves and do their own research IF they felt like it, then things would be a lot better. Same goes for other religions that try to control what others think/do. I'm not as well versed in pagan beliefs (since they are so varied), but I think a lot of the differences come down to semantics and labelling. The Bible mentions a main God that controls the universe, whether that is a guy in a robe and white Gandalf beard or a generic creative force that programmed everything into being like some elaborate RPG game. It also mentions plural 'gods' that create the Genesis 1 humans in their image, which could match up with the pagan idea of plural gods if framed differently. Then after the climate change, the adamic people are created in Chapter 2 by a singular specific god that breathes life into them. Then in the book of Enoch you have a bunch of other beings (christians refer to them as angels, pagans might consider them lower deities). So christianity isn't that different at its core. Just centuries of marketing by those in power has separated the two 'religions' a lot further than I believe was intended.

[@pitycircle4599]

I am a witch myself and to me the intention itself actually is witchcraft. Spells don't make things happen, it's not a legit spell, you dont waddle your wand and bam you get what you wanted. You just strengthen your intention and will and it may or may not happen. And the witch or wizard you talked to is most likely wicca which is a religion, meaning he believes in gods while i for one don't. I'm an atheist and a witch and yes that's possible. Hope that clears some things up ^-^ ♡

[@pitycircle4599]

neu dae and here i tried to be all nice and polite. But sure call me insane hny~

[@pitycircle4599]

SDRMinistries.org thanks for your comment love but i'm a witch so xd

[@CaptainObvious0000]

guess what, things may or may not happen regardless of what you call yourself...

[@CaptainObvious0000]

so the point of you calling yourself things is what?

[@calvinbruce1336]

SDRMinistries.org that's alot of reading x.x 🔫

[@sabrinaloizides-merideth9874]

I went into Wicca after being disillusioned with Christianity and, though some of the tenets are extremely silly, the community as a whole is very welcoming to anyone. I still hang out with most of my Wiccan friends even after coming out as an atheist, but I've lost most of my Christian friends because I am an atheist. I say, if you ever get invited to a Sabbat, go. It's interesting to observe from any perspective. Most Wiccans won't pressure you to join up, but they welcome the curious.

[@natelandherr5202]

Pagans know how to party, what can I say?

[@noideaidontwatchyoutube]

Sabrina Loizides-Merideth There is an awesome community app for the Wiccan and Pagan community if you want to join :)

[@sabrinaloizides-merideth9874]

Hey, thanks!

[@XBLspartanx170]

doesent that defeat the purpose of atheism though if you still believe in magic?

[@mayphoenix4725]

XBLspartanx170 + No, because its not required that you believe in god(s)/goddess(es). In some branches you are the god/goddess of your life because you are in conrol with the help of magick/manipulation of energy.

[@lazyperfectionist1]

"Well, with me, they talk back." "Oh. Can I listen?" "No." Well, at least he's honest.

[@jashiesmith]

I thought that was odd when she asked if she could listen lol. It's not something any can just hear.

[@TheSnoopy1750]

tofurky, it's something NOBODY can hear.

[@jashiesmith]

JosephM1750 lol, if you say so ;)

[@willowmoon7]

I'm a pagan not a witch but I can say that communicating with the divine is a deeply personal thing. It's not a parlor trick like in the movies where you light a bunch of candles and chant and some wierd shit happens.

[@12superbambi]

Well, halfway honest... Unless he's schizophrenic, but that's completely different.

[@yashashwisidharth1088]

"How many Gods are there in the cosmos?" "None. Zero" "Okay"

[@Summerlove23]

Yashashwi Sidharth I know I was lmao on that part !! Especially jaclyns facial reaction was awesome !🤣

[@roboburr]

There is only the force

[@istegal5462]

Lucie Loo yeeeeeeeees xDDD lmao 3:20

[@istegal5462]

Also 3:03 xD

[@jesonlozil]

Terminology boss.. Haha

[@essypan711]

Loved this episode being Wiccan myself, but I think it's important to understand there are many variant paths in Wicca, from Gardnerian to Crowley, hedge witches to family tradition. But when broken down to its basic fundamentals it is about using positive focus to bring about change.

[@johnjames1590]

REPENT you're nearly out of time and the fire doesn't stop.

[@Explorerofshadows]

@@johnjames1590 Fucking fanatic.

[@merlinsmycology1541]

@@johnjames1590 but not all of us are Christian

[@johnjames1590]

@@merlinsmycology1541 It makes no difference whether you believe it or not, it is still coming. Please stop mucking around.

[@merlinsmycology1541]

@@johnjames1590 we aren’t mucking about?

[@LorisHartland]

Yassssss wiccans & witchcraft is one of my FAVE topics... wiccans are usually peaceful & focus on energies of the earth...I'm on board with this!! Love to hear more!!! Xoxox remember to be open minded haha 💗👏🏻🔮

[@MGC-XIII]

yeah it is interesting, so are aliens... DnD can let you live out any wish of being a witch...

[@chassoto]

I'm really into geothermal energy, as well. Add this to wind and solar and you can live "off grid" and happy!

[@ava9616]

Same, I myself am an atheist, but while I was still trying to figure out what I believe, I explored witchcraft. It's really interesting, and while I don't subscribe to them, I think wiccan/witch views are cool!

[@Nerobyrne]

Yeah they focus on the energy of the earth so much they can't tell you what units it comes in, how it interacts with matter in detail or how it can be measured. All you get is vague statements about things that either don't exist or don't function as described, but usually they are so vague that it's anyone's guess what they are actually talking about. And then you end up paying 40 dollars for something that is worth 2 at best.

[@loupbleu3177]

"Energy" lmao

[@microplastique]

I don't know how to put this, put I feel like you should try and open your mind even more to people's beliefs ^^' Believing in god doesn't necessarily mean believing in a guy in robes living in the sky above the clouds, heaven, hell, Jesus and all, it can also be, like how this man explained it, the impersonation of the world's harmony, a designation of the world's cohesion, a way to explain how everything feels like it's part of something bigger, how a forest can feel like it's a perfectly thought machine where every single animal, rock and twig seems to have a role I'm an atheist but I love this way of seeing the world ! It seems like a very interesting subject to philosophize about

[@joshuak4553]

Just for context, I'm an atheist. I'm skeptical about a lot of things... but so far, I find the most common idea of god (all powerful, eternal, all knowing etc) to really not make sense. I don't believe anything supernatural. However, I can sort of see where this guy is coming from. It doesn't seem like he takes everything in a literal sense, but an intensely metaphorical one. The bedrock of his outlook is perhaps his own artistic view towards his own perception, and he's sane enough to realize that it doesn't go beyond that. His spirituality comes from metaphor, not the other way around.

[@kisses-a4045]

You may believe if you had evidence. I feel ALOT of people would feel the same to, to believe in a religion or belief if there was evidence of success. Sadly with so much question as to why and how we are created there is no evidence to explain it. I think one day everyone will be on the same page if *something* choose's to enlighten us and stop being a little bitch. I'm practicing witchcraft myself, i'd hate to be the stubborn *God Creator* to appear after I summon it and tell *it* off.

[@irisgrace409]

A lot of magick isnt taken in the literal sence of waving your wand and saying a spell and something is literally altered, it's more viewed, like you said (to a lot) in the metaphorical sence. With the use of Magick and your actual spirit and belief, you can will for an energy to change. But it is different for everyone. But yes, alot of things, like god, are viewed metaphoracally.

[@keithwolter3124]

How is she recognized as acting respectful towards Griffith? She was very condescending towards him. Continuously shutting him down and speaking to him as if he's entirely illogical. Yes, I understand witchcraft is a bulldog practice and I while heatedly disagree with most everything he said, but disagreeing with someone, even if you're 100% right, does not call for speaking to them as if their an ignorant child. She's not being respectful, please don't use her as an example for civil discussion.

[@julianame9158]

I agree. Everyone says she was respectful, just because she didn't call him names, but she didn't come there with the intention to listen, just to question his beliefs to his face.

[@balkanwitch5747]

Exactly! When she asks him "Oh how many gods do you believe in?" and he says " "I mean, how many gods are there in the cosmos?" and then she interrupts him and patronisingly says "Hahaha none, zero, uh-uh none. She's being patronising & disrespectful as hell!

[@andrewbatist7151]

what she was looking for to begin with ? if an atheist wanna see some action and open its eyes, i say go play with goetia.

[@AbbyAndrew]

@@balkanwitch5747 No, I think that when he said "How many gods are there in the cosmos?" That was a little condescending to begin with because he's asking an atheist that question. Whereas he was saying it like "well obviously I believe in however many exist!"

[@Joeyblondewolf2]

Agreed. Very rude. She didn't really keep an open mind or seemed interested to learn. Just to mock.

[@lanabrooks4146]

My spirit says it wants to die.

[@nsimba_777]

I think that's your mind lol

[@rad4life1]

Lana Brooks Tell your old spirit to suck up. Only the body dies. lol

[@casterofnotas]

Mine wants a nintendo 3ds

[@rad4life1]

casterofnotas Fuck that. Get the Nintendo Switch!

[@Ryan88881]

Probably just your ego

[@cyberplague]

ok...Jaclyn, you completely missed the point of what he was talking about. You displayed yourself to be stubborn and resistant to understanding his viewpoint. Basically what his viewpoint on witchcraft is, is about connecting with things emotionally to your core, on a personal "spiritual" level; metaphorical spirit not a literal spirit. When a person connects with things or people or places on a personal level, that is the "magic" he refers to; and again, metaphorical. Obviously he doesn't believe in REAL magic, you were taking his words too literal. You said it yourself, "what they call magic, I call good intentions", it's the emotional-bond, the desire to connect with all things in the universe, or rather, in a persons immediate vicinity like friends and family; that is what he's talking about. As for the multiple gods stuff; again he's not talking about literal gods. When he talks about a god, he is referring to a focal point of sorts, an area that encompasses multiple things as one; like a forest that houses many forms of life with multiple supporting objects like trees and rocks and rivers...that is the forest god...metaphorically speaking... Witchcraft is about making connections, emotional bonds, nothing more. Anything perceived as supernatural is simply a metaphor. You should go back and visit him while on ayahuasca, and then maybe you might gain some understanding.

[@noideaidontwatchyoutube]

cyberplague You wrote this very well! Thank you, from a Fellow Wiccan Witch 🍁🍃

[@cyberplague]

+IThinkWithMy Dick That's perfectly fine. (n_n) By Griffin's perspective (the guy in the video), your "god" is the numbers/math "god". Again by Griffin's perspective; if I was to worship any kind of "god", it would be the planet I live on...and maybe the sun and moon, for they too provide.

[@cyberplague]

+IThinkWithMy Dick You completely contradict your own argument. Where do you think modern medicine originated from? Herbs and various other plants, that's where. When select plants are known to create beneficial effects on the body and on health, they are then chemically synthesized in labs to enhance potency. When medicines are chemically synthesized, they are often accompanied by side-effects due to unnatural sources and by their high potency. A persons health comes down to chemical balances in their body. Every persons balance is different. If you truly believe that herbs and other plants don't do anything beneficial; go on an all-meat diet for the rest of your life, and we'll see how many years you have left. The guy in the video (Griffin) was providing information perfectly. Your lack of understanding is your own problem.

[@auroranight6559]

IThinkWithMy Dick, I disagree with you. The hospital I am by which is Mayo, has very good alternative medicine programs that include herbs and exercises for people who don't want to use medication. It is excellent. If you live by a hospital like Mayo and your in for something, try it! Many swear by it.

[@johnyliltoe]

Give me a witch over a die-hard Christian any day.

[@thisismyname5657]

At least they know how to have fun.

[@nedisahonkey]

Give me either one over yet another nerdy internet atheist edgelord.

[@darkstrifequeen1458]

i'd rather be a witch than a bible-thumping moron.

[@blakezelda]

Not wrong

[@samanthalouise2836]

Ey, cuz we (as in me), won't try and shove it down your face and try and convert you to our heathen ways :L

[@Vibbia]

Hey I just want to say my I watched your full-screen show with my fellow Wiccans and we loved it. Skepticism is important to us as witches because blind faith is not what we are about. The whole series was really well done and I loved Richie in the witchcraft episode. I hope that spell works for you!

[@chorgin]

Im getting drunk of spirits right now.

[@rad4life1]

Gouranga "Spirits" got their name due to the effects alcohol can have. Like Absynth. Men would drink it and hallucinate. Drunkeness can make you see "spirits".

[@powerparade7262]

And it makes you easier to be possessed by those spirits.

[@rad4life1]

Pharaoh Qhalid There is no such thing as possession. It is just another part of the person's personality surfacing. There is a pyschlogical explination. That what dwells within you IS you.

[@vikz8347]

I'm pagan, and I was an atheist once too. I get how out there it seems, but I can vouch for the man. If you just try to walk a path like him things happen that you can't explain. I've seen, and experienced things that would shake people to the core. Especially people that are like you. 😁

[@doclinny]

Fuck off

[@carmesan_cheez]

Linny what is wrong with you

[@merlinsmycology1541]

I was Christian one. Well I didn’t have a choice. If I bring up witchcraft they say don’t deal with the devil.

[@ThePalewizard]

Yesss

[@rejihyuga9578]

im shooken!!

[@haruhilisette]

Recovering Christian. lol that's funny

[@sarcasticharambeworshiper3148]

+Blake Tower what . The. Fuck

[@MrDigztheswagking]

ShannonLisette lol

[@jesonlozil]

Hungover and recovering.

[@theragingcyclone]

Yeah may be recovering from all the damage weird Christian myths and cult practices have caused them.

[@SashikuChan]

Very true though. :) I am one such recovering Christian. I'll never go back. I much prefer the peace and tranquility of paganism. No more listening to long sermons of some sweaty old guy screaming in my face about hell.

[@velvetkytten]

I'm actually a Wiccan but I still love you girl !

[@maybemonday888]

Velvet Snow I am too!

[@JohnHummel502]

caliwonder2087 I'm a secular Buddhist so I love you all!

[@setmose5344]

Yeeees me too ! :D

[@cristinaalanis1311]

I am catholic and I love her videos XD

[@kgrayisgay]

Same here

[@courtno787]

You're thinking too literally about it. I considered myself an Atheist for a long time, but there was a certain point where I had to realize that not everything is black and white. There is power in nature and energy, which helps a lot of people. I think your rudeness and your ego in this interview really just shows your insecurity.

[@scroogemcfuck8110]

And also your immaturity in and lack of respect for those who have no belief in any god.

[@sorrynotsorry9870]

@@scroogemcfuck8110 I'm a fan of jaclyn but...Belletaina didn't really disrespect her because of that specific thing. Though what she said about Jaclyn was still rude.

[@JustLindaThings]

@Belletaina @Courtno You can't blame the girl for thinking believing in god or a god is bogus.

[@Crowcrowcrowcrowcrowcrow]

Jaclyn wasn't that disrespectful...but hey, that just my opinion. I mean, she asked the question calmly, and she didn't called him stumped or something. That just what she thinks. And I'm saying that as a Wiccan, and although I don't agree with her, it wasn't like she was disrespectful.

[@DarkArachnid666]

Expressing a different opinion from someone else isn't "rude" and, as witches, we should strive to allow everyone to freely express opinions that we may disagree with because that's how we become better people.

[@nothing4youhere540]

Magick is just abstraction of scientific ideas. A way of understanding that simplifies complex realities, into esoteric or spiritual meanings. That's how I see it anyway ;)

[@rad4life1]

Nothing4YouHere A very enlightened view.

[@FrauStormm]

This guy seems pretty reasonable. When I have gone hiking or have sat in a forest by myself, I listen to the trees sway in the wind. I feel that connection with nature. I totally can see how someone believes in a forest God. It's not some authoritative being (like he mentioned) but just a very strong energy that uplifts you. Yes, you can just view it as a beautiful forest because that's what it is, but there's no harm in feeling that you connect with the energy in that forest and can feel how alive it is.

[@7MissedVATSinARow]

This guy was so legit and do your own thing kinda guy this is how people should be in any religion believe what you want include others if you can and live your life without hate. God damn beautiful.

[@lukusblack6442]

I think you might have misunderstood the 'But, for me, they talk back' line... I think it was meant as a joke. He even laughed when he said it. I was a Witch for about half of my life. Most of what you tend to hear are interpretations of how they interpret things. Take magic, for instance. Back in the beginning of Paganism, people weren't going around hexing people with magic wands with light shooting out of them. They interpreted a perfectly natural effect as magic, and the cause as it's craft. They had no other word for what they've just done, so; Magic. As for spellcrafting, there is ritual to it. To heal someone, for instance, there are bathing rituals, potion, or potant making, and the actual spell, or chant, where the infected must lie in the center of a circle, sometimes for days. Basically, they've just cleaned the patient, gave him medicine, and let her rest for a few days, allowing her to heal... The verbal spells aren't a direct route to the magic, either. They are their form of prayer, asking their god(s) for assistance. They aren't replacing the word science with magic. Science is the reformed art of magic, which came first. The only real difference between NeoPagans, and the Pagans of old is the old Pagans believed in specific pantheons, and only tended to worship one god from that pantheon, like the Cult Of Yahweh. NeoPagans believe that all of the gods from every religion exist in some form, or another, even if their stories have been muddled over time, and they can worship more than one of them, if they choose. Some even believe that all of the gods were someone's interpretations of a singular god, and only worship that one, or rather, all of them at once.

[@lukusblack6442]

The way I was taught, the gods speak through subtle, natural occurrences. For example, the wind through leaves, or the sudden appearance of an animal, or bug, (who's intentions are specific to you) would notify you that someone was currently attending to you. The gods would speak through nature, mostly with familiars, assuming you had one.

[@natelandherr5202]

They will more talk back through things you see in your world, life, things that happen to you. it's all very metaphorical

[@lukusblack6442]

Pretty much, yeah.

[@iluvUforeverXD]

It was all respectful up until it got to gods then it was just dismissive and tactless. I agree there are no such things as deities but when talking to someone who believes it especially in their space I think you should be a little more delicate. Just an opinion though.

[@XBLspartanx170]

agreed, they should also not have gotten into wishy washy atheist spiritualism that lacks consitency, if being athiest requires a hard materialist view on the world, why engage in the occult if its going to make you look like a massive fucking hypocrite. I may be christian and hardcore spiritualist, but at least I'm consistent in accepting Jesus and believe him to be a real person, that there's an afterlife, and our time on earth is to weed out satans moral corruption on the world and not this half baked "cultural christian" autistic horse shit. I dont see a point in following something that you think promises you nothing.

[@fangirl365]

XBLspartanx170 I know this is a year old but I’m autistic and using it as an insult to make a point is pretty shitty. Please find another word

[@otakudaikun]

They should have showed some spells! Seems like the interaction was prematurely ended. Was there more?

[@meldiacalcod1602]

OtakuDaiKun well considering this is just an excerpt and the actual show is on full screen I doubt they would show the whole thing here.

[@LokiLoverForever99]

This was an outtake from her show. I assume the rest of it is in on of the 5 episodes.

[@otakudaikun]

I need to see this show.

[@Alicat4587]

There's a lot more in the show. It is really good

[@namelessbacon9483]

THEREALMain _King Actually not what happened at all. This is 5 minutes of the whole episode. Unlike for yourself I'm assuming, it takes longer than that for her to stop asking questions and thinking logically.

[@frankbragison122]

yes, ma'am! there actually is a science to this, but most see it as a pseudo science. the beautiful thing about paganism is that it is your personal journey, own personal beliefs, so no one is there or SHOULD be there to tell you you are wrong for believing or practicing the way that you do. makes christianity seem... barbaric

[@witchybitch6162]

Honestly of all the religions, wiccans and pagans are the most tolerable and make the most sense. Energy is a proven thing scientifically in all things, and they basically believe in those energies and manipulating and using them. Most of them dont believe in real magic, just intentions and focusing your energy. Its also a really pretty nature loving belief from what i can see

[@ON-mk4ro]

That's true

[@pitycircle4599]

Random User i agree

[@LorisHartland]

Random User ... Yes 👌🏻

[@maybemonday888]

Random User that's why I fell in love with paganism

[@UltraPeeks]

What? No! Just because it is the same word, does not mean it is the same thing or that it is "proven". You can't "focus" and "manipulate" (scientific) energy like they practice and you don't have to "believe in it". There is absolutly nothing scientific about wiccans and pagans. But if it makes you feel better and you don't harm anyone else, I guess I'm fine with it.

[@toboe99]

I don't think this represents wiccans or pagans well at all

[@AokiLapissloot]

Kit-Kat-Kay I can agree with that, it's one point of view for each of them. It doesn't properly state that things may be different with others. But I can also appreciate how respectful the video is.

[@LokiLoverForever99]

This was an outtake from her show. I assume the rest of it is in on of the 5 episodes.

[@lhvinny]

Kit-Kat-Kay Who said it was meant to represent Wicca or pagans?

[@ladyofavalon]

It's one persons experience and feelings not speaking for all.

[@tabithavanderpool418]

it represents his witchcraft very well. the problem with these videos is that they try to say they represent "all" Witchcraft, which is impossible because the craft is a very personal thing and different from person to person.

[@jk-hs8fq]

"how many gods are there in the cosmos?" - "none... zero..." 😂😂😂😂😂 love you

[@dibyamartandasamanta583]

33million

[@theseeker2586]

She totally missed the point there... Or at least acted like she did to make him look stupid.

[@scottcleveland6243]

Ooooo shit Jaclyn I got an ad!! :D

[@xiao2310]

I did not 😐

[@fredgd8455]

Me too

[@thebibosez7949]

Upvoted for better hair color despite no feet.

[@leasharene2601]

TheBibo Sez 😱they're real, show feet people are real😱

[@imbuffysummers]

L Rene always nice to see someone enjoying their first day on the internet 😌

[@leasharene2601]

Buffy Summers welcome to the shit show dear

[@ThePamastymui]

@Blake Tower Comics or TL:DR

[@oranginator]

"None... zero..." his face: o-o

[@LexiePersonForever]

a huge part of witchcraft is not expecting people to believe you, and not trying to force anything onto anyone else. like if we define the same things differently, then that's great! like if we see spirits and magic in the trees, and you see the beauty and the general good feelings you get from the trees, it's all good. it's a very "agree to disagree" kind of thing (but not in the passive aggressive sense. in the sense that we're sincerely accepting and almost appreciating those differences). and i actually thought you did a very good job with that, and i hope all other witches are extending the same kindness to you

[@hiddenwithinthepages1373]

I am a Pagan Witch who is currently dipping their toes into the Norse Pantheon. I do believe the Gods and Goddesses exist as do all supernatural beings. I've had things happen that makes no sense. I use to be a "Christian" when I was younger than an Atheist for a time then weird shit happened and I was stuck in a religious limbo. Some how I've found myself here.

[@DougieJR]

That's an easily slippery fallacy to fall into, the 'argument from ignorance', here's a definition :) www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/56/Argument-from-Ignorance

[@borhex]

I love people who have discussions just for the sake of discussion! I always take the opposite side and provide an argument. Not to be correct, but to deepen the conversation and add more meaning and confidence to an idea. Having a completely open mind is such a good trait!

[@Pxrish]

"I mean how many gods are there in the cosmos?" "None." 💀💀

[@ZachsMind]

4:15 "Why can't it just be a beautiful forest." I call this anthropomorphication. If a person looks at any random chaos like cloud patterns for example, or maybe some kinds of ceiling tiles, or stucco walls, some people can see patterns in the noise. The most common pattern detected is a human face. Some behavioral psychologists feel this stems from when you're a baby and you imprint on parents. Others feel this may be genetic - that we humans are hard coded to look for patterns in the noise. I recall Michael Shermer once referred to it at "patternicity." Humans make up gods because we need to be able to wrap our minds around The Unknown. Way back in prehistory, this was readily done by applying a humanoid shape to whatever we didn't understand. It's why polytheism was so popular. a god for the sky. A god for the forest. A god for the mountain. Each nonhumanoid thing would be given human qualities in story and song so we could relate to it better and it would feel more like a friend and less like an enemy. We anthropomorphized The Unknown. Today, we have science, so we can understand Unknown concepts as they are, in non-human shapes without human-like qualities. Mars isn't the god of war. It's a spheroid out in space where we sent rovers and drones to study it. Wiccans and pagans can still see Mars as a god of war, even though we've proved with science that it's a planet like Earth. When pressed, they'll now say it's both, cuz they refuse to accept the evidence of science is disproving their unscientific belief structures. It's lunacy when you think about it. By the way, "Luna" was the ancient Roman Moon god.

[@shakahbrah7934]

As someone who does observe what people call witchcraft, I can definitely confirm that although we're a very diverse group of people with different beliefs, our intentions are much more well-meaning than Christian propaganda has led them to seem over the years. Personally, I don't worship anyone or anything (so I suppose I'm technically an atheist, lol) but I appreciate universal balance, the beautiful mystery of life, and the power of intention. I'm not going to change the laws of nature anytime soon but it's made me a happier person as it does most who try it because it really emphasizes gratitude, support, empowerment, and empathy with others. Witches really aren't how you'd think they are, and chances are that they don't make their belief system known because of all the misconceptions. TL;DR: Jaclyn does a great job of fairly showing both perspectives.

[@OmegaF77]

There's a difference between magick and magic.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

I don't think this is really representative of Wicca. Maybe it wasn't meant to be? This seems to be more like generic spirituality to me. Then again, my source on witchcraft is a family that's been practicing for several generations since before they came here from Ireland.

[@LokiLoverForever99]

This was an outtake from her show. I assume the rest of it is in on of the 5 episodes.

[@lhvinny]

Nieroshai I do not see anywhere in the title nor the description, nor the dialogue that mentions Wicca at all.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Witchcraft. Either the terms are synonymous, as many assert, or they're two different things, which I've heard a lot less often.

[@lhvinny]

Nieroshai Can Christians do witchcraft, as the speaker in the video implied with the use of the figures from the Christian religion?

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

lhvinny The thing is, Christianity deems all pagan religions to be witchcraft, but the wicce of yore who inspired the name were a very specific faith. It's like saying simply adopting a philosophy of nonviolence makes you a Jain. Or believing in national sovereignty makes you a neo-Nazi.

[@abigaila1659]

This is so much more respectful then I thought I might be and I'm so happy about this because I fall into this realm of 'The Craft' or witchcraft or whatever one wants to call it. When he's explaining 'gods' he doesn't mean it in a literal sense. He's not literally talking to them or hearing them. What he's trying to explain is the feeling and the connectivity of the emotion or feeling or power that you feel inside you when working with it. Its all about conducting energy and emotion and intention into whatever magick or 'spell' or whatever you're working on. Its about projecting energy in hopes of helping a situation. For instance, a prayer. Obviously 'god' isn't going to make things happen just because you ask for it. But for instance, if someone is praying for a loved one you is grieving a death for instance, and you pray for them to feel comfort or ease through the situation, its like a way of projecting that energy that you wish for them. However, if you don't really mean it, if there's no real wish from you, no gusto in it, its never going to work because you didn't put your energy in it. In some ways, there is a bit of a placebo effect I suppose if you wanna get right down to the nitty-gritty, but it is mostly about energy projection and oneness with the space around you. When he talks about a 'Forest God' speaking to him, he means that he can feel the energy that the forest gives off, which is usually a feeling of peace and ease and sometimes comfort. Its not plain English or voices in your head.

[@chaislynmickayla9618]

"None, I don't think... zero" haha😂

[@mermermer22]

This man is eloquent and sincere. Apart of me will always appreciate the freedom, obscurity, creativity and symbolism within witchcraft. I believe you can find aspects of truth in all perspectives.

[@Millicemt23]

Thank you for being respectful of my spiritual path. I love you, girly, keep doing you. Long distance hugs.

[@rrenia]

never been happier watching an ad before.this show deserves to be on TV .Love it

[@ell0.mp3]

I love this series

[@kenz6111]

So does Buzzfeed

[@johnjames1590]

Yea it's fun pretending witches are nice

[@longusordrac3214]

Hey Jacklyn I've been a fan of the show for a long time, I especially love the one of you eating a sandwich I lmao. Anyway I actually know Griffin, and wanted to thank you for being so respectful of him because he really is a great person and positive influence on his community. I'm also an athiest and have had similar interactions with the witch community when I dated a member of Griffins coven. So I know how it's difficult to respond to thier conviction without seeming snarky. I think its because we are so used to dealing with christians or muslims who's flavor of conviction is so destructive. I think you could make a great follow up video by doing interviews at Griffin's coven's public ritual, they usually have 2 or 3 a year. I'm sure he could give you the info. Keep up the good work!

[@missshort354]

Im getting a fullscreen just to watch your show, love you Jaclynn! ♡ Im really sorry Youtibe is demonitizing you :/

[@number.1epiccforniter]

youtube* sorry to be that person...

[@mattmattmattmattm]

phandawson.Yaw.SUPERNATURALBRENDON urie if u were sorry to be that person u wouldn't have pressed send...

[@number.1epiccforniter]

that makes no sense to me I was saying sorry because I was being annoying, but also telling them they spelled it wrong I was basically saying sorry for being annoying

[@meldiacalcod1602]

phandawson.Yaw.SUPERNATURALBRENDON urie they know what you mean but in all reality if you were truly sorry you wouldn't have said it, lol you said sorry before you hit send which makes it insincere. so you could have just not said it or not said sorry.

[@number.1epiccforniter]

cherry c. is this really that important it is a comment it was not even an opinion comment just one correcting someone's spelling so go do your homework

[@Crowcrowcrowcrowcrowcrow]

Me: *reading the title of the video* Also me: Please don't shit on witchcraft,please Don't shit on witchcraft,please don't shit on witchcraft,please don't shit on witchcraft! Jaclyn: *doesn't shits on witchcraft and being super respectful* Me: "I feel good with myself now."

[@Music10161]

I love being able to say my ex is a witch, and my daughters too.

[@alwayschanging5821]

Having a closer connection to yourself and the world around you is what I consider to be spiritual. You had a spiritual experience in the first episode Jaclyn. I would recommend you try going back again but this time try not puke. You only got the tip of the iceberg. Also, once you injest the substance, it's already inside of your system. It's already there so you must accept it let it take you on a journey. I was very glad with the results of the first episode. What you went through made me happy for you ^-^

[@baconlynxkrum424]

As some have pointed out before, this guy isn't a very good representative of the witch community. Granted, given the diversity and complexity of that community, any one spokesperson would fail to accurately represent the whole. Loved the video, but think it would have been better to speak to a coven or an experienced priestess, and had them define their type of magic.

[@trippboi747]

I love how respectful of are about this topic and how you were understanding of it.

[@bethanygrace5198]

Yay an ad!!!

[@bethanygrace5198]

Joe Gillespie do you?

[@bethanygrace5198]

Joe Gillespie you're a fucking weirdo. First of all, you don't come at someone with shit like this, second of all, you don't even know me and third of all, leave me alone.

[@namelessbacon9483]

I smell deleted comments since it's just you, telling yourself to leave you alone. Lol what happened?

[@ryancarson8461]

Advice for everyone: Install Fullscreen and watch Jaclyn's show! It's honestly a great and interesting show that you can binge in a night

[@deangagatr3886]

Chocolate makes Me Feel Good It's Witchcraft Yay

[@ZeWitchyRaccoon]

I'm a practicing Wiccan and this was really neat! It's interesting to see others perspectives, both inside and outside. Great job on your show!

[@tompossessed1729]

Atheism is a dead topic to me because we won the battle already.

[@tompossessed1729]

Paddy O'Prey Fixed

[@Wollust88]

I wish that be the case.

[@tompossessed1729]

Shini What do you mean exactly

[@gladatusbob4497]

let me ask you this question religious people have children and that children will believ in god athiest have a small amount of children so it will be hard for you , of course children can change views but some wont

[@Wollust88]

That the fight isn't over yet. I thought racism is over but it has a creepy renaissance atm. And religious folks don't exactly intend to give up either. The US has a time where atheists can slowly be open about it, but that's not even everywhere in the country.

[@poliakoff1823]

I loved that guy, so positive. And I really like that you're so respectful and don't taunt him for anything he believes in.

[@amberthunstrom8339]

I think this was a great video. Both of you were respectful and it opened up some interesting dialogues. I think this was a great idea and I'm excited to see what you produce next.

[@Karma861983]

Jaclyn, I got an ad!!! As a social scientist and a fellow atheist, I love the direction you're taking with this series. It is very cool and informative.

[@aaronraines886]

Loved your show however the episodes were way too short. This should have definitly been included. 😊 you are the best

[@SashikuChan]

:) Nice to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks for being so respectful and open-minded about everything.

[@3122kratos]

Plot twist: The Witch and the Atheist made love after the interview, and lived happily ever after.

[@sympathderseefahrer420]

I wish i could unread this commend ... . The humanity!

[@meatplow12]

Dude I love this concept for a series. Jaclyn, i think you really have something here.

[@Unkemptbones]

it kinda annoys me that you always have to question someone's beliefs. Like I'm also an atheist, but you could take some interest into what that guy is saying. I don't believe him either, but he's bring a new interesting perspective and I think you could've appreciated that more.

[@vikkipink1288]

As a Wiccan THANK YOU for being respectful with your skepticism. So many people just plain bash it and are just rude af

[@keekaro]

IM A POTATO

[@marywhipes4875]

No! I am!

[@keekaro]

Zemiačik - Little Cute Potato I ment to say I'm gay but it auto corrected (not calling you gay, but if you are not like is anything wrong with that)

[@melindamcmillan5521]

I love how this was presentated. There was no yelling or be littling the other. Very respectful

[@gabe3464]

Great video the guy seems pretty cool despite the kooky beliefs

[@davlor86]

honestly, i feel like these beliefs make more sense than Christianity, Judaism or Islam

[@cutelilscrafty]

I'm a Witch, and you're exactly right. We call it Magick, but it's basically us putting good energies out into the world. One of my favorite youtubers, Pagyptian, once described spells as being like a fancy prayer, and she was exactly right. That's basically what it is.

[@rad4life1]

Spirit = quantum vibration

[@rad4life1]

marcus24000 I say, let us combine science with philosophy. Both are in the pursuit of truth. One through fact, the other through ideas. And both can confirm or disprove the other.

[@rad4life1]

marcus24000 Yes, I agree that many atheists are rather single minded. You can link reincarnation with science right now, as science has proved that our dna holds genetic memory of our quantum vibration. We hold the knowledge of the universe in our very cells and the many corporeal lives we have lived! I so want to unlock it! Oh, and just as a thought. Maybe dark matter is the ethereal plain? I sware, there has been a conserted effort to keep us from knowing, and have been genetically manipulated (how long ago I don't know) to block our brain's chemistry from accessing the higher functions that we should be using more of! The majority of mankind still function primarily with the reptilian brain, and very little of the mammalian. Our prefrontal cortex is severely under used.

[@rick92rr]

As in "The god of the gaps"

[@rad4life1]

Rick94rr Where is that in quantum physics? I don't remember god being the explanation in any of the sciences.

[@rick92rr]

Spirit being used as the quantum vibration. Just as the christian using god as the quantum vibration.

[@StarlessRogue]

Witch here 🙂 I just wanted to add something to the "Gods and Goddesses" topic. Some witches believe in the gods as actual physical beings, like Christians believe in their god as a physical being. But myself (and many other witches) believe in the gods and more of a symbol or personification of something. So for example, the god of the sun is a symbol/personification of the suns warmth, energy, power, size, whatever. The god of the forest is a symbol/personification of nature, peace, harmony of living beings, cycle of life, etc. and it also represents the energy of those things. All matter is energy (E=mc^2) so the trees, rocks, the desk in front of me, everything is energy. And witchcraft for me is the manipulation of energy through intent. (see the Institute of Noetic Science) there are some very small pieces of evidence for this being possible. Nothing near proof. And I fully except that "results" that are seen from witchcraft are very likely to be placebo effect or simply coincidence. Which is fine. It's still interesting and fun to me regardless of whether or not it actually works.

[@Summerlove23]

Lmao Jaclyn ! This video was hilarious !

[@Mettifrags]

This is excellent, great production quality, MORE of this ty :)

[@JayMiV]

Savage af

[@TheSushiGirl01]

can't wait for the next episode. I love what you do Jaclyn! keep it up

[@rbolo29]

Magic=Magick. I practice Black-Magick and it's a very real phenomenon. I manipulate and change the reality of this world almost daily and or weekly. You'll eventually realize you're a wrong atheist and you'll return to being a Catholic/Christian[which is really what you want anyway]. I personally don't believe JESUS self resurrected or performed all the miracles stated in the BIBLE; nor that there is any afterlife or heaven/hell. I believe the divine spark is within, not somewhere 'out-there.'

[@alonsoarana5307]

rbolo29 mhm and I am a Force user with a lightsaber, where's your dark "magick " now?

[@thelegend-gu9eg]

rbolo29 hey love ur work but next time u bend reality kindly slip a couple of grand into my bank account? maybe KO ISIS while ur at it?? ta thanks love

[@joshualeonard8702]

rbolo29 The great and wonderful K

[@rad4life1]

rbolo29 You are just manipulating the vibrations of thought, intent and emotion. It's not magic.

[@bunnyd2237]

rbolo29 you are not a real witch then

[@novadowdell8042]

lol i’m an atheist witch sooooo (i am an atheist who practices witchcraft. i don’t believe in any gods or deities, but i believe in the psychological effects becoming closer to nature and meditation has on a person. also i do practice spells and meditate with crystals and grow herbs and such)

[@princesseuphemia1007]

I love how chill this guy was. I don't believe in literal supernatural forces, however I can understand the appeal of appreciating the forest in the context of forest gods and not just the forest itself being pretty, because imagining it like that for just a moment can add intrigue and a whole new layer of beauty to an already beautiful forest even for someone who doesn't believe it. I also like the idea of working with a god or gods a lot more than the Christian way of seeing the divine as an authority. If gods did exist I think they would be helpful and willing to work with us and not judge rather than narcicissticaly control us. The divine is supposed to make you feel good and be emotionally replenishing not draining and scary.

[@mymorenoblepursuits9173]

This is much more respective that what I thought it was going to be. I think the _magic_ they're seeing is positive reinforcement. Things that have a placebo effect, makes them feel better and in turn they're believe it's magic that's working.

[@by-Hudson]

Thank you so much for the wonderful bit when he asked 'how many gods are there in the cosmos' and your answer was so simple and yet so wonderful. People write lol - I actually was laughing out loud. That bit just tickled me. Ha. Keep up the great work. This looks like a fun and informative show.

[@venzone8854]

Good intention IS Magic!! And it’s pretty magical to see people with good intentions.

[@hannahf5796]

The Witchcraft episode was my favourite. You treated their beliefs with a lot of respect despite not necessarily believing in their viewpoint. It was a super informative episode and the series as a whole was done with tact and respect to those sharing their communities. Well done Jaclyn!

[@rayax2805]

I love that you are very respectful in this and you don’t just shut down everything he says he believes in, you may disagree and I’m sure he understands it, but you aren’t rude.

[@willowmoon7]

Nice to see a frank and honest discussion for a change without resorting to shouting and name calling. ❤❤❤

[@ladyofavalon]

I'm a Druid and a skeptic (I know a bit much). I am so grateful at how respectful you are. I love your videos. I actually believe in gods, but don't feel they are all powerful. It's a complicated spot.

[@Nurmeracc]

I'm an atheist but I also don't wanna call myself with any kinda description witch wicca atheist etc. There is energy I strongly believe that and there are tools which nature given us what my heart and mind tells me is to follow the love and goodness in my own morals. Being closed is not making us improve but being open is what makes us learn... I love seeing the spells that I make works and meditation makes me feel stronger. Less fearless and more powerful.. follow your guts and check it multiple times ... :)

[@asherael]

I'm a witch. For us (my coven, not all witches by any means) magic is a spiritual treatment, not a medical one. Magical treatments are for spiritual issues, we would use magic or magical treatments or whatever magic treatment, for, say, broken hearts, wishes, curses (the wishes of others against us) grief, shame, pain (to a degree), and sadness. We wouldn't use magic to heal a broken foot, or diseased liver, that's the domain of medicine, but to cultivate a bodily and spiritual wellness. She says "why a god, why not just a beautiful forest," but many of us find this lens of personification to be one that makes that beauty the more beautiful, and easier to relate to. It's our personal symbology, a context for viewing and enriching that setting that also is enriched by it. Science might describe how the trees turn sunlight into sugar, or how the animals evolved, how the light was created and traveled from sun, through space, to trees, to our eyes, but pagan beliefs are the literature of it, the poetry, metaphor, and anthropomorphism of it. Many of us are comfortable with having both. I'm very fond of Carl Sagan for example, and watch Cosmos without feeling any kind of personal conflict. Science has the mechanics, and my faith has the poetry, and don't find either excludes (and, indeed, both enrich) the other. I hope very much I've conveyed this well, and helped someone better understand, and if anyone has a follow-up question about anything I said, or just "for a witch" I'd be more than happy to answer (for myself, and about witches I know personally, not for the faith group as a whole.)

[@crimsonscourge9107]

I loved how you are so open about something that people see as something too strange to understand, i'll just say this not all witches falls in the same category it depends in what they wanna believe in if it's roman or egyptian gods or if they are just connected to nature is all about good intentions and respect, we do not need any books but some are interested in how other covens believed in.

[@seunosewa]

This is 100 times better than the Fullscreen version which was edited to make it seem as if you agreed with them. Thanks for providing this sharper version.

[@alienmatsu156]

Though I'm not a Wiccan or a Witch I do believe in a Divine Goddess (Kuan Yin in particular) and I practice Reiki Buddhism And tbh I was genuinely so afraid that this would be questioned too much by science or something or maybe one of you would push too much. But here I am, pleasantly surprised at how open you are while still asking critical questions. His answers and explanations were completely on point and exact! I like this whole video because honestly you IMMEDIATELY got what he was talking about with Gods and Goddesses being representations of god intentions and such. And as for the question of "why can't it just be a beautiful forest" all I can say from my view is that... eh :) there's just a deeper appreciation. Personally my friends an family believe in ever flowing life and how it connects us all so... a forest is a giant representation of that.

[@115Marti]

I loved the show and I'm super happy you have some additional material from it! ♡♡♡ btw, there was an add at this video! :o

[@stevenduvall2549]

I like these videos from you, Jaclyn. Very educational.

[@roboburr]

I really appreciate your open mindedness towards these out of the box ideas or people.

[@IsomerMashups]

I'm waiting until I have time to binge the entire series. I'm so excited.

[@AriaIsara]

I'm happy to see this isn't just bashing like I was afraid it would be. Jaclyn is very right when she says that what is magic to them is just intention to her. That's how most pagans/Wiccans/witches etc view magic. Magic is how thoughts can influence reality and your conditions of life. It's because they believe in spirits/souls, a non material level to our universe that can have an influence on the material. Something like "having dark thoughts can have bad effects on your health" would be considered an example of magic. As to the number of gods, the answer varies from one witch to the next. I know some pagans are actually atheists who think the spiritual stuff isn't supernatural but simply can have good effects on mental well being.

[@msjkramey]

I love this so much. Spirituality is so personal and unique and amazing. And when people are respectful of that, conversations between believers and atheists are just awesome. And it really grows both people in their ethics and philosophy to be this open and comfortable I'm a Christian and my boyfriend is an atheist, and we can talk for hours about this when the mood strikes us. My religion, other religions, problems with religion, benefits of it, how religion evolves with time.

[@benedictcumbersnatched7735]

To me, the gods and goddesses are symbolic figures more than anything. I think that they were used in earlier times by Wiccans to honor a certain thing or group of things, and to focus their energies and thoughts on. A lot of Wiccans have different ideas than I, and that’s what makes the religion so appealing. There is no wrong way to follow it. The moment I turned away from Christianity and finally allowed myself to follow these beliefs, my overall life improved. My mind became more open, and I accepted a lot of new friends into my life for the first time, without worrying if their beliefs contradicted mine, or what church they went to, etc. Wicca/Paganism is truly a breath of fresh air compared to most religions today.