Atheists vs. Christians Debate Pt. 1 - Cliffe, Stuart vs. Aron Ra, Tjump

[@kestrelkaylin5321]

Aron: "Don't interrupt me!" Proceeds to interrupt everyone else the entire time. Wow. Priceless.

[@brentm8863]

He is a liberal…enough said.

[@RS54321]

Yes, he's absolutely exasperating and arrogant.

[@Wheelz22]

He thinks he’s a genius

[@robinrobyn1714]

Aron Ra is pathologically unhinged against something that doesn't exist according to him.

[@cameronvandevelde4186]

oh 100% No wonder why Kent Hovind will never debate in this type of style and how the 2nd Aron Ra vs. Kent Hovind debate was video response

[@joeschmoe527]

Screaming “EXC-AH-USE ME IM TAAALKING” during a debate and then going on to just say “Umm it’s because you’re wrong I’m right!” Is an A1 debate technique from this Aron. Totally effective for civil discussion

[@pepethunder]

The fact he gets so emotional about it tells you all you need to know about why he doesnt get it.

[@khrystalkhoury62]

😂

[@911Glokk]

He interrupts so many times…

[@Heiscoming002]

Ha ha ha lol

[@santeteatin8688]

Ahahahah even the head movement was perfect, spoken like a true karen

[@NotMalachi_]

Aron was drunk and Tjump was reading off the internet. On the other hand Cliffe and Stuart are answering of the top of their head, spot the difference.

[@tylerswank3498]

100%. They weren't open to Christianty and were by ANY means, going to reject them no matter what.

[@Mika_BB]

so if you actually prepare for a debate that's bad?ok sure

[@tylerswank3498]

@@Mika_BB By prepare you mean cheating off the smart kid? (Internet) They didn't actually KNOW their claims. It's one thing to verify, but it's completely different when you just dont know and your using Google as a crutch. And Aaron, he was lying left and right. He was also namely impolite or scarsely open at heart. He was just yelling at Cliffe like an Neanderthol child the whole time.

[@selfmade7806]

Yupp. There’s levels to this

[@duckdumb8881]

It's impossible to know everything about a topic, I don't see why use of the internet is seen as such a bad thing. I wouldn't say that sipping a beer means you're "drunk". It's more of a choice on how he wants to be perceived, which is less professional and less holy. It's maybe unprofessional, which is what makes these types of debates so pointless but very interesting. He drinks because it makes him look more careless and his audience likes it, and cliff comes on in nice clothes with his son because his audience thinks it makes him look more like the ideal. Interesting to watch, but not very productive. I hope everyone thinks more on their own free time at least.

[@brittanynewton9925]

Why do Atheists in this debate always claim to know the scripture better than Christians, yet always get their references so wrong. Also, why do they often come off as angry and empty

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@JesseStOnge-px8hg]

I’ve watched several other debates and at least one if not the majority of the atheists in the debate are angry and mad, and they’re usually the ones to talk the most. Just watched one day before yesterday that one of the atheists brought a thing of poison with him and was yelling at the crowd to drink it if they thought God was real and used that as their argument. I don’t know why many atheists in these debates are usually mad and sometimes very rude to the Christians or theists

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@JesseStOnge-px8hg Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@kristianm.6946]

Because they probably are angry and feel empty.

[@ryanmp1986]

People get upset that Christians talk about hell but they are saying we all go into darkness for eternal with zero other options.. isn’t that hell but no chance of something better?

[@Angel-vx7xk]

Why does James allow the Atheists jump in and interrupt the Christians but wont allow the Christians to answer when they are interrupted? Not a good moderator at all

[@JesusChristSaves.]

Because he's an athiest

[@Dreku22]

I noticed that too

[@AmericanEaglebyAPC]

I saw this also

[@anniiegirl]

I noticed this, too!! He kept saying to let the atheists talk but Cliffe and Stuart were cut off many times. I didn’t like James as a fair moderator.

[@Ismelllikepeantus]

Agree 😡

[@mr.retrohale6673]

I like how Aron interrupts everyone but gets mad when someone does it to him

[@joshuavarner8554]

Hypocrite, rude ,arrogant, anger. All the ingredients for unbelief

[@mojangmonkey1015]

oh don't worry, it's ok to interrupt as long as your "right" and you "hate liars".

[@josephreynolds7395]

"He who shouts loudest isn’t always the most knowledgeable"

[@IDAHOJAKE]

That’s called a fact. In which we can prove because we have evidence. Key word. Evidence Unicorns and dogs.

[@mrfoodskater]

​@@IDAHOJAKEbraindead

[@socal133]

I once was a Satanist now I am saved . Praise Jesus. All Glory to God.

[@Vanessa-cp6yw]

God bless you!!

[@eagle5818]

Just curious, when you were a former satanist, what did you do? Certain rituals, prayers to the devil? Or was it just simply the belief in Lucifer ?

[@socal133]

@@eagle5818 it was more doing exactly what lucifer did. I thought I was my own God, my path, my truth. I couldn't have been more wrong. Prodigal son in my own ignorance. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

[@wa_________ge3254]

⁠@@eagle5818Fun fact: Living a hedonistic life is enough to be considered a Satanist

[@allisontowell7177]

Wow. How amazing! I’m so happy you’ve found the love and comfort of Jesus Christ. Him and all the angels of heaven have rejoiced in your salvation. I’m so excited for your journey. 💕💕

[@TotallyAnNPC1]

i was a Christian. Watched this video. I now want to be more Christian.

[@enochmensah3917]

No wonder your own Bible call you sheep cuz you use brains in the church 😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE? To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[@mikaelthomas6377]

Good for you keep on truckin'

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@mikaelthomas6377 Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@Cadet26]

Really?

[@aurorakalligher]

Aron’s anger is enough proof there is a God for me. When the enemy is attached to someone, Jesus’s name alone makes them angry. The anger that sparked when Stuart and cliff said Jesus loved him is proof. If he really believes there is no God how could he hate him so much? How do you hate something that doesn’t exist.

[@r0th2]

very good conclusion

[@cm-will5532]

The anger often comes from incompetence like watching a child put a square peg in a circle hole

[@juan-u2f4t]

⁠@@cm-will5532Aron went into the debate not open-minded. His inability to be quick to anger makes me question whether his logic was rational and not emotional. How does a grown man who has intelligence not have a civilized conversation like TJUMP. Makes him a toddler himself, who throws a tantrum when he does not get his way.😂

[@cephas888]

Athiest still until this day all over the globe still can't answer this

[@grahamshelton1245]

Spot on ✝️

[@silverltc2729]

I was an atheist for 28 years then I finally admitted I was wrong. Last year I met Jesus, it was the best moment of my life. He was so pure so majestic and so loving. Peace eminated off him.

[@fearandloathing9976]

What was he wearing?

[@davidcarter3830]

You must have been high on drugs

[@madhands9887]

The pagan and babylonians practices are becoming standards. So a person who dosent believe in any God regardless of Jesus will worship his zodiac and other deities unknowingly. This is the spirtual impact effecting the world and why peoples minds are clouded which affects their morality and standards of self. I love all people and I fully understand why a person would be atheist over Christianity and take living this life only over eternal life. Science and advancement of technology further fulfil ideologies that promote self and pleasure and worldliness. Add the internet and virtual reality and the creation of one owns sense of eternality and life over the love or Jesus is hard to pass up. To live as a God who dosent hurt others and be whoever you want whenever you want as it seems fit to you is a new standard. Be a man today or a women tommorow or an alien the next. The spiritual application is completely discarded and only the physical and mental rewards remain. It is all revealed in the Bible and this is the importance of the timing of Jesus in the world. He showed the truth through humanities infinite interpretations of morality, theology, philosophy and eternity to show the definitive truth. Humans couldnt do it so God had to show us himself.

[@davidcarter3830]

@@madhands9887 And once again. Your high on drugs

[@stephano1410]

Amen

[@DavisRicJ]

Aron is a perfect example of lack of discipline as a child

[@MrGondor123]

We can see that he is getting angrier the more he debates with other ppl that doesnt support his believes

[@robinrobyn1714]

Well. You have to understand. Aron Ra is pathologically unhinged against something that doesn't even exist according to him. Something that doesn't exist according to Aron Ra sure triggers him 🤔

[@jasonmacneil2256]

EXACTLY!! he was a 7th place participant trophy holder!!😂

[@darrontuagalu8865]

Ad hominim attack, thats the christian way

[@Soggy_Cereal19]

This is where I would like to give a lot of credit to TJUMP he was respectful and seemed kind hearted and open to the others views. Sadly Mr. Aron talked over him a lot, I wish I could have heard more from TJUMP. God bless everyone

[@Wisewanderers]

Seeing cliffe watch his son just brightens my day so much. Cliffe saved my life

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@ghubin]

Woah, I didn’t realize they were father and son!

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@ghubin 1 Corinthians 6:9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators (Sex before marriage), nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [b]homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

[@johnq748]

Thanks I wasn’t paying attention. I didn’t know if that was his son. I knew the guy was sharp. I didn’t know he was homeschooled lol beautiful

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@johnq748 Please joinus in preaching the Gospel

[@Xion1121989]

You know you won the debate when someone throws a temper tantrum, and saying "I'm right, I'm right!" - Like a little child lol

[@josephreynolds7395]

projection of the fear of being precieved as wrong which shows the kind of mentality that these modern atheists share unwilling to go against the "academic consesnsis" which does not exist. the enemy of change is pride

[@StripedWhite211]

They didn’t win. How did they? What point did they actually make that proved anything?

[@MrBernardo06]

@@StripedWhite211They did

[@callumosullivan7546]

@@MrBernardo06no they didn’t . The first point they made is wrong. Plenty of religions say love your enemy

[@TheFracturedfuture]

​@@StripedWhite211These theists are something else. They show zero proof of their claims and say they won.

[@robinrobyn1714]

It's nice that Atheists and Theists are both devoted to God and just can't stop talking about Him ❤️

[@thepalebluedot4171]

Best Ignostic/Igtheist comment ever 🌜👍

[@robinrobyn1714]

@@thepalebluedot4171 Best Theist comment ever.

[@IronSharpensIron127]

Facts🤣😂

[@larrystevens7410]

@@thepalebluedot4171 I see what you did there. LOL Nice. A position based on ignornce. And an Ignorthiest. LOL

[@thepalebluedot4171]

@@robinrobyn1714 Atheism without the Igtheist justification is empty...

[@isaachancock2065]

Aron’s video crashing is God telling him to pipe down multiple times. 😂😂

[@caycekelley9336]

I thought the same thing😂

[@bapewizard]

Zero logic

[@JesusChristSaves.]

​@@bapewizardIt's a joke.... kinda

[@budzwithbudz6729]

😂😂

[@marcospinto9380]

@@bapewizard”logic is the study of correct reasoning” we are talking about “God” creator of all outside time and space, than he reasons that this all powerfull being could freeze the video due to lies against him. Tell me and im no christian i m a gentile were is the lack of reason on that statement dumb ass. A slap on the face would be little.

[@Demosthenes84]

One guy screaming "im right!" And another guy googling quotes vs 2 guys going off the top of their heads, staying calm and respectful. This has not been a very good moment for atheists.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@leroy203]

Honestly seems like they just picked them up off reddit lol

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@leroy203 Nah,All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@alexortega7398]

Boxing atheists based off Aron Ra is unfair. They brought up great points, however Aron Ra in particular was clearly opposed to ANY conversation, but to pass his beliefs. Atheism doesn’t uphold to morale absolutes, so it’s upheld with his behavior. All they’ve demonstrated is they don’t believe in Jesus, they have no explanation for God. The order of the cosmos, moral absolutes, etc

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@alexortega7398 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, ,evil Spirits, the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@bodvarson1933]

Such a strange debate. You have a guy just looking up quotes on his computer, while the guy on his side is just yelling.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@tuxedo_stormtrooper]

One of the most entertaining debates I have watched

[@eudaimonia97]

🤣

[@countless6750]

Theyre atheist so why would they know the bible line by line

[@bodvarson1933]

@@countless6750 Jeff Durbin and James White know the book of Mormon almost line by line.

[@DZK9191]

Everytime Stuart speaks Cliffe just looks so proud

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@tealmountaintrekking6141]

Man I hope to have a son someday and have a similar relationship.

[@devontolly1596]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363if God is real and God is good then God would never send someone to hell FOREVER without even a second chance just for not believing in the right religion or not believing at all. This is obviously made up by man and idk how you can't see that. I guess you're just brainwashed beyond belief and have no grasp of reality.

[@derekardito2032]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 what a stupid , ridiculous ,absurd BELIEF. Care to actually evidence any of what you claim.

[@derekardito2032]

@@tealmountaintrekking6141 do what Cliffe Knechtle obviously did, have yourself cloned, me I'm grateful my son is an independent thinker, non brainwashed, and able to work out for himself not blindly take in every thing any one told him without question.

[@clint5622]

Cliff, "Aron, you cannot just claim to be right without evidence." Aron, "I have the evidence and you don't." Cliff, "Show me the evidence." Aron shouts, "I'm right and your wrong!" Cliff, "Read the Koran and original texts to learn about religion. Don't talk to Muslims." Aron shouts, "You don't know s**t." Cliff, "Aron, Jesus loves you Bud!"

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@andymatheson82]

I guess you just didn't hear all the evidence they gave 😅

[@sir_cbd_ph]

Quran*** and so funny 🤣

[@clint5622]

@@sir_cbd_ph respect. It is a transliteration from Arabic and Koran is also correct albeit less popular. No offense intended.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@andymatheson82 Demons come out in the name of Jesus therefore Jesus is God WHO GETS ALL THE ATTENTION? Evil is against good, which religion or God is attacked the most? Whose Name gets taken in Vain? Rev 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

[@robinmuster4695]

"My arguments are not based off of emotions! I hate lies" - Aron

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Fear mongering doesn't work on rational people, try again. Dishonouring your parents is a sin? What if your parents are mass merrrderers? What if your parents were sexually abooosive. (Silly spelling for filter.) And no, my parents were neither before you try and go there. Stealing is a sin? Well then starving people stealing food are set up for your hell, a position that your god put them in. Lusting? So that's a natural biological function, this is thought crime, which Christians teach to children. 🤮 'Jesus defeated death.' You haven't even got sufficient evidence to believe Jesus even existed.

[@Kipperster]

That was not the exact quote from the conversation.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Kipperster In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@grawss]

"The Bible was not cleverly written." - Aron I'd like to see _that_ proven objectively.

[@saintsoftheking]

I was an Atheist. Then I found a reason to live. ✝️

[@firebombspam2604]

god bless

[@righteous_lute6194]

Hallelujah

[@jeremyrios7840]

Praise the Lord

[@devons.7921]

Hallelujah! Praise God!

[@567ahrens]

Nice bro.

[@gugushabalala1691]

Aron is all the reason not to be atheist 😂😂😂

[@lindationsadventures]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 right on!!!!

[@magicw7338]

Yeah, he's annoying. I can think of Christian apologists and content creators who are far more arrogant tho. What about tjump is he a reason not to be an atheist?

[@imkluu]

Aron is right even when he is wrong. This is the problem with Aron. Even his supposed 'rational' thinking is illogical, because he interprets things in his favor, and regardless of how someone might prove his interpretation wrong, he still wins in his mind if he proves his point based on his interpretation. Also, Aron has a habit of saying, "What you are telling us..." and then giving his interpretation of whatever he thinks he is hearing, and not what the person actually said or was trying to communicate, then twisting it so that he can again support his own belief, and win the argument. This is really poor debating. Aron makes everything about him. It is all about him. He is always right, anything you say is attacking him if he does not agree with it. This kind of thinking warps the way you hear and respond to everything. Aron is an A-hole. He interrupts, impolitely and unwanted interjects, disagrees without any evidence to give credence to his opinion, and calls people liars if they say something to which he does not agree. He is insulting of others because they do not agree with him, and he believes that he does not need to prove or support his own ideas or beliefs. Aron says that he never speaks as an authority on the Bible and yet many times tries to use things he remembers from the Bible to support his arguments. If he is not speak on the authority of the Bible then how can he use it to support his argument. Also, Aron speaks as if he is an authority on everything he says. This is his Ego. Aron is more than annoying, he is infuriating in his arrogance, and self aggrandizement.

[@imkluu]

@@magicw7338 It appears to me that by his nonpersons he doesn't agree with Aron in a lot of things he says, and he is also listening to the Christian speakers, not rejecting what they say out of hand as Aron does. I do not think he inspires others to be atheists, but he does not turn them off thru any arrogance, or illogical stubbornness to his own disbelief, and belief he is always right, that he is annoying, like Aron.

[@magicw7338]

@@imkluu Cannot follow that last sentence buddy....

[@jaredpribyl]

😂 y’all know it’s not a coincidence that Aron’s internet keeps going out…

[@PhoenieFroe313]

LOL

[@adent1019]

My thoughts exactly

[@clyde__cruz1]

Amen 😂

[@matildecarrillo8845]

Yes GOD had enough of his nonsense!🙏🏻

[@wyett123]

So when theist, Kent Hovind, internet kept going out in a debate he was in, was that "not a coincidence"? By your logic that's God trying to shut Kent up. Or are you just counting the hits and ignoring the misses?

[@adamardoin13]

Tjump got that Chat GPT going hammer 😂😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@PunchesCouches]

It's pretty clear that he is definitely using Chat GPT or some kind of Ai program to give him ideas

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@PunchesCouches In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@Creepingamabutt]

this was in 2020 chatGPT wasnt made till 2022

[@gracedaniels9155]

Aron has to be the most depressing person I’ve ever witnessed. The nihilism and hatred that he exudes is heartbreaking. I pray that he finds faith and meaning in his life ❤

[@christophermeier1802]

But the entire comment section can exhibit hatred and talk smack about them? So it's only right and ok for you guys to bash someone else's belief but get offended when they bash yours. Weird.

[@mrfoodskater]

​@@christophermeier1802"b-b-but if aron bad why are we bad too" average atheist argument

[@fynix.]

@@christophermeier1802 for some comments I agree with you they certainly went to far, others very justifiably call him out though

[@jnnr08]

@@christophermeier1802 those people are in the wrong too, they took the wrong approach

[@Ko-ox1xv]

youre a disgrace

[@mlw7009]

As an atheist. Cliff’s point about love is ABSOLUTELY valid. And the two atheists in this debate failed to even understand his argument

[@mlw7009]

Not to mention Aron spews out logical fallacies like a fire hose. He constantly demonizes the Christian’s arguments. Calls them liars, when they are simply stating their opinion. CONSTANTLY misrepresents their arguments so his irrelevant counterpoints make sense. And for god sakes he interrupts after they say 3 fucking words, without even CONSIDERING their argument. He did not come to debate, he came to fight. The fact that a debate channel would feature this idiot is outrageous.

[@mlw7009]

Aron is the problem with atheists. And he is further fueling this problem. To see other atheists saying “go aron” is a fucking shame. Aron premotes a non-free dialogue, non-tolerant of others ideals, and Christian hating atheist mindset. And just to remind everyone, this is coming from a fellow atheist. This kind of stuff scares me and scares other people away from being open minded toward non-theistic ideas

[@Roman-pd1bz]

@@mlw7009 you will soon find the truth

[@hay_Z2021]

@MLW700 you will soon learn there's a limit to love and compassion going down the road of atheism, since without God, we really can't carry true love within us, God IS love, it's in the bible, you sound like you're on the way of finding the truth, ❤️

[@hay_Z2021]

@The Adjudicator well first off you're assuming as a Christian I'm hateful, that's religion that becomes hateful not a relationship with God, secondly, that was just the way things were back then, and you know what? People are STILL evil! God never endorses those things, he gives us free will! And he's very patient, the whole reason he flooded the earth was because he patiently waited and gave people a chance, but they kept doing evil, God does NOT endorse evil, he simply doesn't want to take our free will away,

[@jaredpribyl]

Lol Aron is that guy that believes he knows everything and is completely closed minded.

[@mostblunted_211]

Empty assertions are considered invalid

[@wyett123]

He knows what he can demonstrate. Demon and gods are obviously not demonstrated. Considering all religions have different gods and demons. Almost like ppl made this stuff up. You'd agree Greek mythology was made up. Made up before your God even existed. Yet their are gods and fairies and demons and witches. Much like in the Bible. Fairy tales!

[@ICarus-eu3jv]

@@mostblunted_211 Projection.

[@fruitfly5226]

He’s quite well-known so he needs to keep up his reputation of being correct.

[@redpillfreedom6692]

Says the guy who believes in a magic sky wizard

[@noelmoodley1260]

I love how Cliffe just continues to speak when Aron interrupts him.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE? To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@semipro0din517]

Tjump rarely speaks unless he’s reading from a google tab that he pulled up in 4 minutes, and taking as complete truth

[@BOUNCER13x11]

Can hear him typing. Looking up information light speed as if he was Batman

[@Dylan_96_]

Yeah he just makes weird facial expressions the whole time lol

[@johnfal1849]

Lol sadly accurate. It's a shame how easily people put faith into "experts" from random websites, but deny Christ with the utmost level of scrutiny and skepticism

[@tjmanou6422]

HAHAHAHA

[@robinrobyn1714]

@@BOUNCER13x11 Haha! I'm Robin and I approve of this statement 🤣

[@devanteswing4790]

Every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess we all will see in the end.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@BrandonJohnson-ez1bs]

Boom!!

[@lizcreationz8654]

No matter what all opinion says...At the end we will see the Truth of his Glory! Amen!

[@abbynoah8587]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363that’s amazing…!

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@BrandonJohnson-ez1bs How are you Brandon People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@warrr_machine]

The more Aron speaks is the more the demonic spirit in him reveals itself. It’s real in the battlefield

[@Adam_A_Christian]

I've noticed a lot of closet occultists and Satanists use the label 'athiest' as cover for their real anti-theist and specifically antiChristian agenda to tear down the gospel.... and.. here we go, as I'm watching and typing this.. he's literally evangelizing for Wicca and Dionysus. Wow. "We wrestle not with flesh and blood..."

[@55Quirll]

If you want to find an infuriating person to debate, listen to Kent Hovind, he has been spouting the same script for 30+ years and hasn't learned anything new, AronRa is very patient with him. I was raised a Roman Catholic and listened to these reasons until I started to listen to people like Aron, Matt Dilahunty, Paulogia, Vice Rhino, Logicked, - Kent Hovind, Matt Powel, Ken Ham, Eric Hovind got me away from religion.

[@GinaJMlbrn]

Exactly. He looks like a devil 👺

[@beccahayden1793]

Every time they bring up Jesus’s name he gets a little more angry lol

[@Luis-mc2gt]

@@55Quirllgive Jesus a chance man not church or man Jesus himself

[@karenpozzini2947]

Advice to Aron - if you want to be taken seriously, tame your frustration and anger, quit accusing others of interrupting while interrupting. Don't profess to be atheist while looking so miserable/unhappy.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@hpk228]

I’ve noticed a pattern where when cliffe or stewart presents a valid or intellectually intimidating point, Aron picks a term from that point and attacks the term in order to avoid countering the point first, and then as he attacks that term he will be cornered again and pick another term and the cycle repeats.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@spikenomoon]

very dishonest All he did was attack the definitions and decidedly benefits his definitions. Used fictional characters. Very angry. Usually caused because your being destroyed.

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

A lot of people attack grammar instead of substance, even when they know what the person is trying to get across. It is disingenuous.

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363I don't believe Joshua is the one true God, but he is my savior, and I am born again through him. No one NEEDS to believe Christ is God because it simply isn't true. It's teetering on blasphemy

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@spikenomoon Fake Christians don't go to Heaven so be real People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@mattk5430]

"Aron Ra" telling someone else what prayer is? That may be the funniest thing I've ever heard.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@tuxedo_stormtrooper]

"Cliffe" telling someone else what Atheism is?

[@mitchellwilliam95]

@@tuxedo_stormtrooper Atheism is pretty obvious. In fact, it's the default position for all humans who do and contribute nothing.

[@christiangrierson]

@@tuxedo_stormtrooperthose aren’t the same thing in the slightest 😭😭😭😭

[@lestercarvin4422]

​@@tuxedo_stormtrooper No such thing as an atheist. Only God deniers

[@samueldavidvisuals2595]

Cliffe and Stuart and two class acts. Even just watching this video I can’t keep my composure. These two are incredibly patient, logical, and kind, especially in the face of such irrational. I really look up to these two

[@tylerswank3498]

Couldn't agree more. Aron is unreasonably blind. At least Tj gave them the benefit of the doubt most of the time.

[@sweenbean18]

@@rgbarobloxglobalbasketball4866 It has nothing to do with Cliffe, its Jesus who tells us in his word to act with grace and patience and the Bible is a stepping stone for you if you really want to have those virtues

[@delmarsimpson25]

Arin ra loses this one

[@demarcuscousinsiii7334]

Bro cuz they can just lie about everything, Aron has to confront them about Everything they say, they are wannabe Kent hovint’s💀

[@ieuanwalker6330]

Yeah doesnt matter what they said in this debate, their attitude wins the argument for christianity, patient, wise, composed, articulate. As you said class acts, where as the gremlin drinking a stein of cola is yelling and getting super emotional

[@GrizzV991]

Its crazy how Aron interrupts and cuts off cliffe before Arons camera goes out, So cliffe continues speaking and then James interrupts Cliffe to ask Aron what he was saying as he was cutting off Cliffe. What kind of debate is this?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE? To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[@mybrainmelted]

James is quite literally the worst debate "moderator" I have ever seen.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@mybrainmelted What makes you say that? DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST? People reject the resurrection of Jesus not because they have studied the Historical evidence and found it lacking but rather if He did rise from the dead then He is God and that means you must obey Him For most people on the face of the planet this is why they reject Jesus as God.

[@mybrainmelted]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 poor adherence to time slots, letting Aron interrupt, yell, curse, call names, then being strict on Cliffe to get Aron's words in. It's obvious he was biased. I've seen teenagers who could have done better.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@mybrainmelted People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a person who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.

[@itsjustmyopinionbut1671]

Cliff & Stewart are such stand up guys. Always respectful, patient, and classy no matter how despicable, disrespectful, arrogant, ignorant, or bigoted the opposition gets. Using pure logic & knowledge to debate. True class & faith!!!

[@tuxedo_stormtrooper]

pure logic? Half of the Christian arguments were just substantial, subjective, and completely emotional. Also Cliffe and Steuart got just as heated as Aron did, the only person in this debate who stayed calm the entire time was TJump.

[@itsjustmyopinionbut1671]

@@tuxedo_stormtrooper you must not have watched the same video lol would you like to specify? Which half exactly? Let’s be specific!!

[@tuxedo_stormtrooper]

​@@itsjustmyopinionbut1671How about when Stuart basically said "you don't hate God because his is illogical, you hate God because you have daddy issues." Or when Cliffe basically said "my personal feelings are more important and more accurate than empirical evidence from leading experts." Almost every time the Christians had to change their claim because Aron tore it apart, concede/avoid answering the question, or just get into a yelling fight until the mod has to interfere.

[@judecaudill]

@@tuxedo_stormtrooper "Basically said" bro over here manipulating words. Aron did nothing but scream and say he was right the whole time

[@sumnik852]

@@tuxedo_stormtroopercope and seethe

[@elektriceye]

Cliff is awesome. Very knowledgeable, holds his ground and doesn't get shaken up by rudeness and arrogance.

[@Sickey]

Feel like it’s very typical of people with hardened hearts to act this way. God gives us a heart of flesh.

[@christopherianlister5212]

cliff was asked would you b my slave /servant under the rules in Exodus 21 and fell silent how rude, will you ?

[@cgforbes9100]

@@christopherianlister5212 bro times 2000 years ago things were diffferent if your family where rich they probably would have couple slaves to but that doesnt mean they would treat them like shit

[@iku_k]

@@cgforbes9100 lol

[@iku_k]

@@cgforbes9100 an absolute being having inferior morality than a human lmao

[@josephcurtis8949]

Conclusion: This “debate” strengthened my Christian faith. Cliffe and Stuart provided great responses and information. TJump surfed the internet trying to backup his arguments. Aron was an emotional wreck who represented atheism horribly. I wouldn’t consider this a debate. I’d consider this to be two grown men providing sound answers while one man attempts to argue by surfing the internet and the other says two of the men are incorrect without providing evidence and reacting like an emotional child.

[@josephreynolds7395]

indeed, this is an example of double standards on the atheist side of the argument: "You are wrong because i am right" this was stated without any evidence really showing the emotional appeal yet these people are apart of the "pioneers and enforcers of logic".

[@SaintBritannia]

You made me smile with this Joseph. Well said my friend. Deo.

[@TheFracturedfuture]

You just want your religion to be real so badly that you discard the lack of evidence.

[@SaintBritannia]

@TheFracturedfuture Good luck in life, my friend. May fortune follow you.

[@TheFracturedfuture]

@@SaintBritannia At least you didn't get angry like every other religious person and I applaud you for that.

[@Rayervin711]

Aron has something dark attached to him. He is not well.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@cractrick9225]

Cliffe clearly has a basement full of children I can yell just by looking at him.

[@Alpha_1_Edits]

@@cractrick9225 fr 🤣 stuart prolly helps cliffe under the table

[@Keevthe6thunderChristJesus]

I love these debates, not to see who wins but to admire the composure of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@BatMan-ur4os]

What's your thought about the Christian slave trade

[@fearandloathing9976]

Which version of Christianity do you adhere to?

[@destiny9734]

@@BatMan-ur4os what do you mean? People who’ve perverted Christianity to suit their causes I.e the KKK or crusades etc? The slavery in the Bible is referring to economic slaves and conquered people who were made slaves..not based off of race or sadism

[@clearascrystal4960]

@@BatMan-ur4os Ther is none.

[@MuhammadsMohel]

@@BatMan-ur4os any thoughts on William Wilberforce, after becoming an evangelical, leading the charge against slavery. Slavery, like other societal systems are things humans find themselves in, right or wrong, and they need to know how to conduct themselves and address the circumstances for a greater good and to address their spirit too. Just saying it's wrong won't stop it or help the person being enslaved.

[@clyde__cruz1]

56:40 look how Cliff looks at his son. He really is proud of his son ❤

[@sophia5122]

I didn't know that was his son

[@Acid_Punch]

@@sophia5122neither did i

[@Freeinwind]

Yeah. His look at Stuart was full of love and pride.

[@ridgegillespie2934]

That was definitely a very proud father... I can't wait until my son is old enough to have these discussions,so I can look at him with that same proud father look😊. When I look in my sons eyes I feel God and his love because I had never believed I was capable of loving anything so much I'd be willing to sacrifice my life for it until I had my son. That type of love surpasses anything materialistic.

[@Gr.Dimitrova]

Hi is proud of God’s work in his son.

[@patrickhyatt2517]

I never thought I would ever see a grown man jump and pitch a fit and say "I'm right!"... Lord have mercy...

[@quentinbarrett2674]

If "I live in my grandma's basement" was a person.... its him

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@quentinbarrett2674 In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@russellrowland1913]

I love how happy Cliffe gets when Stuart starts getting fired up!!

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@donske2777]

Can literally see the oppression in Aron it’s wild.. the spiritual realm is real

[@RS54321]

Yes, when he did that initial rant, I felt the evil oppression on him. May God open his eyes.

[@lucada8538]

I'm glad I'm not the only one, you can see he has a overpowering demon on him

[@bochetoyulab1857]

No one can defeat the truth and that's Jesus!

[@vincentchamberlain107]

Or he’s just sick and tired of arguing with brainwashed people who can’t escape their own ignorance/arrogance. I agree he should’ve kept his composure and professionalism

[@Ajsobrainsalot]

@@vincentchamberlain107lol fr atheists are really something

[@kateytill1854]

I had to relisten to the part where Aron used fictional characters (Spok, Gandalf, Hermoine) to say that their magic is reliable and real and can be proven in a lab. Even Tjump tried not to laugh. Cliffe, Stuart, this was a difficult debate to watch. Watching these two guys gaslight, twist your words, interrupt, and sometimes mock you was hard. Well done on hanging in there! Hopefully, you planted some seeds.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@shinxz5012]

@kateytill1854 Amen sister! We need to be praying for these men that the Lord will be gracious to them and reveal himself

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@shinxz5012 I have some underlying health issues which can lead to premature death, so I heard about fasting can help fix many issues so I decided to give it a go by dry fasting (no food or water) I could only do it for 1-2 days a week without feeling too weak, but a few months in my heart started racing and it let weaker and weaker. When I would eat something unhealthy it would race hard. One night it was racing hard and a tall figure in white appeared and was praying towards the picture of Jesus in my room, he said something like “please don’t let him die from a heart attack”, then soon after he disappeared and I heard the audible voice of God tell me some stuff then that voice stopped then I felt my body being lifted and life being pumped back into my heart and I was healed thank God, Jesus is God and He is very loving and a miracle worker.

[@Never_goon68]

You do realize he was being ironic right? He didn’t actually mean that. 😂

[@shinxz5012]

@@Never_goon68 in a debate? Whilst trying to prove a point? Would that no make it more convoluted? Maybe I’m tripping but it didn’t seem that way. If I’m wrong I’m wrong.

[@xGet_JINXED_LoLx]

The fact that Aron is getting SO elevated proves one thing…that he knows he’s wrong…

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@tuxedo_stormtrooper]

That by no means proves he is wrong if anything it shows his passion in what he believes

[@runvoe4572]

@@tuxedo_stormtrooper Aggressiveness is behavior from being wrong.

[@ericr5130]

You mean the same way children argue out of emotions vs reason​@@tuxedo_stormtrooper

[@theokman399]

​@@ericr5130Why can't it be both? Why can't he be right and passionate about the subject? Why are these things have to be mutually exclusive?

[@lucasreis790]

I was an atheist, but Jesus rescued me

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@dannyboy020]

You were never an atheist You were agnostic

[@favourod3282]

This two are the perfect example of raise your child in the way they are supposed to grow and in they will not depart from it Amazing Father and son Duo

[@ICarus-eu3jv]

Correction: Why do they sound like used Jesus salesmen?

[@constipatedmonster]

forcing your religion on your child is NOT a perfect example of how to raise your child, if you truly believe in your religion then let your children find the “truth”, don’t force it on them when they are impressionable, same thing goes for atheist btw, im not a hypocrite, don’t keep saying god isn’t real just let them find and believe in what they want to believe

[@ICarus-eu3jv]

@chineduibeh9203 There probably were itinerant Rabbis named Jesus, but none of them performed any of the so-called miracles described in the Bible. My condolances that your son inherited your gullibility.

[@constipatedmonster]

@chineduibeh9203 That’s good parenting, never force personal beliefs on your own children. Let them seek their own truth

[@favourod3282]

@@constipatedmonster from the looks of it that they provide evidence and facts ,it means they went out and found the truth and truly believe it It wasn’t forced ,his son clearly did his research too.

[@reallyricky1123]

Tjump googled everything and didn't use his own thoughts. Aron thought just because he yelled and spoke more aggressive he is winning the debate.

[@DartNoobo]

Aaron thinks he is wining simply by existing.

[@reverendayglow]

You mean he "researched" what he was talking about?

[@DartNoobo]

@@reverendayglow no, he means that Tjump can be easily replaced by a ChatGPT bot.

[@ntre.]

@@reverendayglow in a debate you need to prepare your answers and research before the debate

[@arturincdh4095]

Yeah, the religious position isnt resilient to fact checking 🤡

[@MikeMilkbomb]

I was an agnostic. After watching this debate I now identify as a Christian.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@MrSturdystratus]

👍

[@C-126]

I am so happy for you !!

[@geochonker9052]

Awesome!

[@notibutthespicegirls9372]

Praise God!

[@Radam89]

Sorry but when Aron said “you’re full of sh*t!” how could any moderator not step in, or even mention it afterwards??

[@chelseamagill4603]

Great debate. I also love how proud Cliffe looks hearing Stuart speak.

[@roxyscott1253]

Same. I noticed it and it touched me as well. All I could think was. That is certainly something beyond chemical.

[@justin10292000]

@@roxyscott1253 They are father and son, and their love is certainly not mere chemicals. atheism is such utter hopeless nonsense.

[@vincentchamberlain107]

@@justin10292000hope is for children and the weak

[@rosspeterson2658]

"I never said anything about empiricism at all" Exhibit A: 17:45. Exhibit B: 18:26

[@KiraDidNothingWrong]

Atheists being dishonest? Never seen that one before.

[@aahirsimlai3215]

Nice job pointing it out man I hope he saw this comment and self reflected a bit

[@atreniquedeamus9919]

He then goes on to mention empiricism later in the argument and right after saying he doesn’t use it he gives basically the textbook definition of empiricism to avoid simply using the word and proving Cliffe right.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@KiraDidNothingWrong In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@aahirsimlai3215 All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@HouseofDavidonscene]

It really sucks when there's a respectable debate taking place and a person resorts to insult to prove his so called points.

[@barryallen8753]

People that insult are the stupid ones

[@Johnson13210]

This is usually a sign that a person has lost, but they just keep talking in hopes they will convince someone.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Johnson13210 In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@parttimer7599]

Aron is actually crazy. He’s literally seeking revenge on cliff by bashing him for being Christian. Literally the definition of revenge

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@tekred2828]

Bro is so hypothetical basically saying near the end “awwww you haven’t got the human compassion not to revenge “😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@tekred2828 In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@AcmeAstro]

It's very professional when Aron is getting drunk during a debate. What a wonderful example of what not to do. 👍

[@AcmeAstro]

@The Adjudicator I will rebuke him to his face. He is a drunk and is wrong, and he knows it. I was not laughing at the guy. I pity him. I also deal with alcoholism. I was saying it is not professional to be in a debate and drunk. Yes kids, getting drunk will help our next generation practice science in fact you will do even better science when your drunk! In fact you will stop making sense and just interrupt folks! The guy obviously has his convictions. I respect that, I do not have to respect his behavior.

[@wyett123]

​@@AcmeAstroThere's a difference between drinking and being drunk. A distinction you obviously have problems with since you seem to be an alcoholic. Some ppl can drink without getting drunk ya know? And I've seen Aron debate someone who was actually drunk (moderator had to ask bc it was so obvious). You've not seen Aron drunk before!

[@Johnson13210]

"Some people can drink without getting drunk, ya know" 😂 That sounds supernatural!

[@wyett123]

@@Johnson13210 😐 is someone getting shot and surviving supernatural? What you just said was just as dumb! Someone can drink one glass of wine, one can of beer, 1 shot of liquor, and not get drunk! There's also a thing called alcohol tolerance where someone needs more alcohol to feel its effect, let alone get drunk. Aron is a big tall guy thus likely being able to handle more alcohol. You can also inherit a tolerance for alcohol from your parents. What about this is "supernatural"? I drink all the time and don't get drunk. Barely even tipsy. You saying I have a supernatural power? A lame one at that!

[@ZeusKingOfAllGods]

​@@AcmeAstrohe was probably raped by a priest as a kid. We all have our own story to tell. I don't judge. A little Matthew 7 for ya from the book of lies.

[@addyr7533]

My RESPECT to Cliffe and Stuart!!!! I would not be able to keep my cool and still be respectful to someone that kept insulting them and disrespecting them 😡

[@rogerdodger1790]

By disrespecting them you mean debating them?.....riiiight

[@Lifes_Goon]

You realize they were also being disrespectful? I swear you Christians are so hypocritical and biased plus ITS A DEBATE

[@dajc7536]

@@rogerdodger1790 no, besides debating them, he is also saying that they believe in a imaginary god. In a debate you just do your argument, dont need to say that they believe in a fairy tale

[@avagantamos2853]

@@dajc7536 I mean yeah. That's what the debate was about right? It's a theism vs. atheism debate. What else would you expect?

[@kaiser9488]

@@avagantamos2853 I mean it's still childish to just call your opponent's view a "fairytale," instead of wasting time on calling names it's always better to have a genuine civil discussion.

[@eltobic]

Aron spent the entire debate being rude and snide, as well as interrupting constantly and yet had the audacity to get angry and indignant when cliff interjected a few times. The animosity Aron displayed toward his opposition is really disgraceful, I hope he grows more and comes to be embarrassed by how he represented himself here

[@akkafietje137]

It proves his position is weak, surely not a child of God

[@DanielQwerty]

@@akkafietje137 well yeah he’s an atheist

[@akkafietje137]

@@DanielQwerty Paarlen voor de wijnen

[@DanielQwerty]

@@akkafietje137 What do you mean? I’m sorry I only speak english and some german lol

[@akkafietje137]

@@DanielQwerty Sorry Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you

[@thrandulfthegreen]

Aron's video freezing while he is interrupting Cliffe is just amazing.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@davidbaudouin8073]

as someone who studied debate for 3 years, and as someone who tries to have an open mind about everyone's opinion, saying "You're just wrong" is not and will never be a good argument against anything.

[@jacobgyurica9136]

I feel the same way… I feel that Aron did not bring anything aside of anger and an opinion to the debate. Tjump, Cliffe, Stuart all did well and was respectful.

[@mattvmalone]

How convenient that you only heard that, and not the explanations he gave as to why. 😂😂😂😂

[@mattvmalone]

@@jacobgyurica9136Everything he stated is a fact. Sorry bubba.

[@LeadedNevada]

@@mattvmaloneunfortunately, not it was not my friend

[@bac0nlifeforever956]

nobody said aron did not have good explanations. all they’re saying is that aron saying “you’re just wrong” is not a good argument against anything. buddy, if you HAD watched the video while unbiased and actually taking both sides into thought, you’d had noticed that this quote from aron was not a CLAIM that had explanation, but a dishonest EXPLANATION as to why his claim is right. and you saying that he’s correct in that sense is SO biased and dishonest it’s almost mindblowing

[@bryanrootsdeep]

Aron is exactly what I would envision the leading atheist in the world would look like 😂😂

[@jeremynicely8595]

I lowkey thought a similiar thought like that 😂😂

[@AlittleRedPepper]

The antichrist

[@art_by_adrian2913]

Haha angry cursing darkroom man lol 😂😂😅

[@troyp5208]

He resembles Allister Crowley 😳 Not an accident, i presume.

[@cephas888]

😂😅😂😅

[@NailsByChelsie]

Does the moderator not know what the job of a moderator entails? This was painful

[@bkstandard882]

He's the best moderator I ever seen

[@JohnCephas]

@@bkstandard882 Did you mean first moderator you've seen?

[@barryclevenger7456]

@@bkstandard882 Just sits there and lets Aron keep interrupting? lol

[@djchozen91]

@@bkstandard882 you must not have seen many moderators

[@TecraTube]

Dude, I can't stand that guy. His face annoys me. He needs to remove himself entirely if he's not part of the debate. He only subtracts from the debate

[@keithbard17]

Wow. Aron is a sad, dishonest, and angry man. His arrogance completely blinds himself from realizing he is not exercising in any semblance of honest debate. I actually feel bad for him.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@dannyallen3749]

Aron literally spoke over Cliffe every time he talked but always had the floor when he talked. How immature in a debate. Shout out to TJump for actually listening and speaking on his time 😂

[@mikemurphy8623]

Because cliffs is so wrong it hurts Aron’s brain to let him continue to say his crap.

[@UrbanoBurriola]

Naw, he was typing away with a smirk whenever Cliffe and Stuart were talking.

[@jeffrey6618]

That's how he tries to win and the moderator should say you speak and then the other people speak athiest like this don't like what the Christian side says

[@emreakkaya6400]

​@@mikemurphy8623 L ratio

[@Krokpot7]

Tjump didn’t really talk, he just read stuff off the internet searches.

[@errone.8544]

Cliffe is so overjoyed to be doing this debate with his own Son. Imagine having your own Son that you taught from birth do more of the speaking than you on a debate together😂👏❤️GOSH!

[@AverageMitch1987]

You mean force fed his father's faith.

[@firewall8095]

@@AverageMitch1987If you ever listened to Stuart’s religious story, he grew up relatively without faith, and grew into it in his later life, without the pushing from his father. This is a comment made from ignorance lol

[@quilabill]

Ikr! I loved seeing his smile at his son - like i can imagine God’s love for His children mirrored in Cliffe’s expression to his son, Stuart. Softens my heart ❤

[@kl498]

@@AverageMitch1987this proves you have no idea what you’re talking about, go read Stuart’s story if you actually wanna how know he ended up being a practicing Christian

[@zippo_muk9254]

My father and I were the same. We were never overly religious but believed in god (just not a religion). We walked different paths and had political debates every day since I was a child questioning him “why” this or that. Why why why. And through both of our experiences some similar and others very different we came to many of the same conclusions by not limiting our thoughts to what society tells us. We’re unbiased with loyalty to each other. We questioned everything and love watching people’s heads buzzout when you question their regurgitated content from news or history. History isn’t black and white. Especially WW2 for a example with Zionism, they worked with Germans and used Jews as pawns to instigate ww2. Questioning anything other than official narratives is called “anti-Semitic” etc. We read from all perspectives. Concluded on definite truths and argued with each other why this or that on anything we couldn’t verify as absolute truth. There’s nothing better than a father and son duo and as a father nothing more pure than the happiness when you son overtakes you and takes the lead with you as the backup. Rip dad.

[@jhedjoardumago7691]

Aron saying "God never steps in, period" is hilarious especially after seeing his network cut off multiple times during his mindless rants 😅

[@ezekielsparadise4633]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice that😂😂😂 God reveals himself all the time in the smallest ways and Its surprising atheists don't ever notice stuff like that😂

[@ujjwalasingh]

I wheezed at this comment I can't even lie

[@Mika_BB]

i would like it more if he steps in when children suffer and not when an atheist is arguing with someone

[@thedailycheckpoint]

@@Mika_BBhe stepped in when there was a false alarm that the US was dropping nukes, He stepped in when multiple presidents were inches close to assassination, he stepped in when your mother gave birth to you or siblings. You can cherry pick the bad but I can also cherry pick the good, your comment makes you no more right than I am

[@Mika_BB]

Did he step in when hitler was inches close to being assassinated?@@thedailycheckpoint

[@ianwilliams5592]

35:37 "He needed to freeze after the virgin comment." LOL🤣

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@saigegilroy7751]

That part made me laugh so hard😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@saigegilroy7751 In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@souzajustin19d]

I like how TJump said he does not appeal to empirical evidence, then turns around and says if its not empirical evidence its garbage. Its things like this that just make me chuckle, and why I dont take many atheist serious.

[@Baccanaso]

His entire opening statement was just one giant circular reasoning mess

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Baccanaso In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@jasonyeszkonis8364]

I'm an Athiest but I have to say Cliffe did a better job a debating because Aron kept losing his temper

[@33Cigarettes]

I deeply implore you to question everything you believe. The only reason I’m using my time to say this is because I genuinely care about your soul, I want you to know the truth and find the ultimate peace that one can only find in Christ.

[@jadederaentertainment]

Satan hates to hear the word Jesus. Amen.

[@afrox357]

And saying tings he had no basis for, but his bias and hatred fi a god that apparently doesn't exist.

[@esq8]

@@afrox357 lol

[@edwardbouchard4273]

Thank you for being respectful.

[@KnightByLight]

The fact that there are people that actually praise and look up to aron ra is mind blowing.

[@christopherianlister5212]

will you be my slave /servant under the rules in Exodus 21, cliff refused to answer that one...

[@TheDivineCallingofJesusChrist]

@@christopherianlister5212 atheists and nonbelievers love to take Old Testament scriptures out of context.. especially when we have the New Testament

[@warrr_machine]

@@christopherianlister5212 I will. You are currently a slave. I am currently a slave. EVERY working adult is…. A slave.

[@fmg8469]

He looks like egg man’s lame cousin

[@raphaelfeneje486]

@@christopherianlister5212 That's a ridiculous question to ask. Christians aren't under the law! Our form of slavery isn't the one in the Old Testament.

[@its_just_andy]

Im just gonna leave this here Proverbs 26:4-5 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes".

[@007gracie]

Truth. Felt a bit like pearls to swine.😖 hope it helped ppl.

[@hablaf12]

1:19:03 If the Bible was not cleverly written, yet managed to become the most selling book of all time by far, it’s almost like God had something to do with it

[@hay_Z2021]

exactly!! Insanely enough, Jesus is more well documented than tiberious Cesar! And it's all based on eye witnesses testimony, he also said he would preserve his word! If you ask me, the bible is VERY well preserved for being 6,000 years old! ❤️

[@55Quirll]

Then why is Don Quixote in second place, it was written by a man, and the bible was written by many anonymous authors without any evidence to back up the statements and claims in the book. The only reason it has become so popular is that Constantine made it so, it became THE Religion of Constantinople, by force, like Islam is done by force and Judaism was done by force in its early days as well.

[@finempra8730]

​@@hay_Z2021 Uh.... It's more accurate to say the bible is 2000 years old (if you're referring to the New Testament), or potentially 3000 years old (if you're referring to the old testament).

[@achmahnsch]

What how does that make sense. You know that back in the day there were not as many books. And considering the power the church held it was inevitable that the Bible would be wide spread

[@ZeusKingOfAllGods]

The Bible was not cleverly written. Genesis [1:2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Genesis [1:16] God made the two great lights - the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night - and the stars. So according to this there was water before there were stars. What a joke. Lol 😂

[@jeffersonjames3000]

In anothet debate Aron said his relationship with his father was poor and that he went multiple times not talking to him for years, he also said his parents divorced when he was four. But in this one he says his relationships with his parents were good as to object to Stuart’s point. Stuart was spot on. I know because my relationship with god is rough because of my upbringing.

[@skylermccloud6230]

If that makes you feel better sure

[@rubyjeancuyler4051]

I mean… he’s a liar and a fool.

[@justin10292000]

@@skylermccloud6230 Has nothing to do with mere "feelings." Truth is Truth regardless of "feelings."

[@gmc8099]

I have noticed most atheists hate one or both of their parents!!!

[@InspiredHTV]

@@justin10292000 Dont worry man its just a bot comment or mindless troll. Loved your comment. I too struggle

[@jadamajors3777]

I think TJump was respectful, still passionate and debating, but respectful and not attacking Cliffe and Stuart personally. I’d like to see him and them debate again. Not so much for Aron.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@MrHaoh2]

agreed aron was the asshole archtype of atheists

[@AaronSmith-x6o]

His argument for witness testimony is factually incorrect. All psychologists will agree one person can imagine seeing a unicorn but 500 cannot at the same time. This has been debunked.

[@SelinaDiazz]

Cliffs and Stuart, you all are so strong. It’s apparent God is with you. The patience you guys have is amazing. I would not be able to do this, I would go crazy hearing out these atheists thoughts and opinions. Love the work that you all do! ❤

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Make sure as a you are a repentant Christian. Read the Bible daily and pray often throughout the day, the devil is trying to make lukewarm Christians everywhere. If you tell everyone that you are a mechanic but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a mechanic? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian

[@jennief7114]

Long story short, my son was supposed to have been in a body cast for 6 months. After 1 month issues, prayed on the way to the doctor. Was told there was an infection, cast needed to be removed and reset. Doctor came back, threw his file on the counter. Completely healed, went home without a cast.

[@CarpentersMinistry1]

Amen. Miracles are real..

[@dannielz6]

Miracle claims occur in every religion so is every religion correct?

[@jennief7114]

@@dannielz6 The debate was between whether there is a God are not vs an atheist. Not between different religions. Try to catch up!

[@CarpentersMinistry1]

@@dannielz6 your premise is incorrect, your assuming that the miracle comes from ones religion. That's were your confused. God says he (Jesus) is the only way, truth and light, no man comes to the Father but by the Son. Miracles only come from the one true God not from religious people and only happens according to His Will. Try reading the book of Mark. Hope this helps.

[@dannielz6]

@@CarpentersMinistry1 I dont have a premise. Im responding to his premise and following it through to its conclusion. If a miracle proves his god. Then you would need to accept that other religions miracles also prove their respective gods. You seem to be confused that Im responding to his premise its not mine. Hope that helps.

[@erikstewart3892]

Cliffe: The Septuagint translates this as virgin Aron: Well then it’s wrong and I’m right I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more blatant example of arrogance in my life

[@55Quirll]

It would appear that Aron did his research. According to Dr. William Yarchin, Dean of Department of Biblical and Religious Studies at Azusa Pacific University (at about the 23 min mark), the Hebrew word for "Young Woman" is mistranslated to Greek as "virgin" in the Septuagint sometimes which may be where the requirement that the mother of the Messiah had to be a virgin comes from. This requirement was not inherent to the Hebrew text, but it was to the Greek audience to which Jesus was incarnated. The same mis-translation likely applies for Dinah in Genesis 34:3, and she was simply a young woman who obviously was no longer a virgin

[@calebdouglas6861]

​@@55Quirll Maybe he should research how to debate properly instead of yelling that he's right and everyone else is wrong

[@55Quirll]

@calebdouglas6861 There have been other debates where he has been polite. It depends on his opponent

[@calebdouglas6861]

@@55Quirll that's cool that he can pick and choose who he's polite to

[@55Quirll]

@@calebdouglas6861 If they’re polite to him he’ll be polite to them. Matt tends to be polite to all of his opponents, I like Aron because of the entertainment he provides. My favorite is between him and Kent Hovind

[@elizabethn8767]

Props to Cliffe and Stuart! They were respectful, knowledgeable (throughly in detail & prior to the debate), and both had well-rounded, eloquent dialogue/presented points. God bless. 🙏

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@stormhawk3319]

And zero evidence for their god.

[@stormhawk3319]

@@elibonham4388 ok, give me examples of empirical physical evidence of the Christian god that is supported by independent scientific research.

[@stormhawk3319]

@@elibonham4388 “This is not scientific questions this is historical questions “ Well, too bad bro, because science is what as not only made the modern world we live in but as answered fundamental questions regarding physics, chemistry & biology that have been of enormous importance in our understanding of the world and cosmos an indeed ourselves as human beings. Regarding your assertion that historical questions prove that the Christian god exists, well, any Muslim will tell you that their prophet Muhammad flew on a winged horse to Baghdad as a historical “fact”. I love my family too but neither me nor my family are religious at all so let’s get that out of the way too. Most of the gospels were in fact written by people decades after the supposed events of the historical Jesus. They weren’t in fact first hand eye witnesses at all. A rumour and a myth can get started in just 10-20 years and escalate into a full blown cult. Ah well, morality is in fact relative to the individual and to the time and place people lived. Until the mid-17th century in Christian Europe it was seen as perfectly moral and ethical to kill people who were accused of witchcraft. That was in fact mandated in the Bible. How many thousands of innocent people died throughout Europe and indeed in the Salem witch trials in America? Good people will act good and bad people such as sociopath, psychopaths, narcissists will invariably behave badly, to get a good person to behave badly that takes religion. “Love can’t come from non-love” What is this word salad your spouting? Intelligent animals such chimpanzees, gorillas, dolphins, elephants have been closely observed showing great affection to each other. None of those animals believe in any god or religious belief of any kind. I don’t get your point at all. “500 witnesses saw Christ “ Heard of the Fatima apparition that supposedly happened in a small village in Portugal in 1917? Three small children claimed they saw a vision of the Virgin Mary who came to them on a hillside. It became a huge sensation with the entire village claiming they saw this vision. There was, unlike Jesus, actual photos of the villagers, the children all around the hillside. But guess what? Not one single photo of the apparition of the virgin whatsoever. Nothing. Just a mass delusion gathering. Objective news reporters there at the time said they saw nothing but mass praying. Now that happened just over 100 years ago yet we’re supposed to take on face value the supposed 500 anonymous witnesses of nearly 2000 years ago in a remote part of Bronze Age Palestine as “fact”? That may do it for you but the mutterings and sayings of superstitious, illiterate, fanatical goat herders doesn’t quite cut it for me. Yeah people claim they see Christ all the time, that’s what happens when people have been indoctrinated into a particular religious faith since the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire in 314 and made it the de facto religion of the western world thereafter. Yes the Old Testament certainly has “stories” in it but it gets it fundamentally wrong regarding the origin of the Earth by claiming it was created in 6 days which is of course completely wrong as science now shows the planet is an estimated 4.6 billion years old and life evolution went through an incredibly long time. Doesn’t even mention the dinosaurs! Lived on the planet from 230 to 66 million years ago. The human race as been here at a maximum of 250 thousand years by comparison. This colossal deep time in prehistory and the extraordinary lifeforms that used to inhabit the world just makes the fables in the Bible just tacky sinister fairytales for adults. “Jesus says loving and forgiving your enemies, he was an ethical genius” Seriously? I think loving and forgiving your enemies, people who wish you harm is the most masochistic, servile and suicidal position to take. Why the hell do you want to love people that hate you? Utter masochism. You love your own enemies but don’t expect me to love mine, I hate my enemies and want them totally defeated before they try to defeat me. We have Free Will because we have no choice but to have it Your logic, “we have Free Will because god gave it to us!” That’s hopeless, intellectually, that Big Brother in the sky gave us it. Stick to watching Spider-Man youth.

[@stormhawk3319]

@@elibonham4388 “This is not scientific questions this is historical questions “ Well, too bad bro, because science is what as not only made the modern world we live in but as answered fundamental questions regarding physics, chemistry & biology that have been of enormous importance in our understanding of the world and cosmos an indeed ourselves as human beings. Regarding your assertion that historical questions prove that the Christian god exists, well, anyone of a different religious faith will say their mythological stories are based on historical facts. I love my family too but neither me nor my family are religious at all so let’s get that out of the way too. Most of the gospels were in fact written by people decades after the supposed events of the historical Jesus. They weren’t in fact first hand eye witnesses at all. A rumour and a myth can get started in just 10-20 years and escalate into a full blown cult. Ah well, morality is in fact relative to the individual and to the time and place people lived. Until the mid-17th century in Christian Europe it was seen as perfectly moral and ethical to kill people who were accused of witchcraft. That was in fact mandated in the Bible. How many thousands of innocent people died throughout Europe and indeed in the Salem witch trials in America? Good people will act good and bad people such as sociopath, psychopaths, narcissists will invariably behave badly, to get a good person to behave badly that takes religion. “Love can’t come from non-love” What is this word salad your spouting? Intelligent animals such chimpanzees, gorillas, dolphins, elephants have been closely observed showing great affection to each other. None of those animals believe in any god or religious belief of any kind. I don’t get your point at all. “500 witnesses saw Christ “ Heard of the Fatima apparition that supposedly happened in a small village in Portugal in 1917? Three small children claimed they saw a vision of the Virgin Mary who came to them on a hillside. It became a huge sensation with the entire village claiming they saw this vision. There was, unlike Jesus, actual photos of the villagers, the children all around the hillside. But guess what? Not one single photo of the apparition of the virgin whatsoever. Nothing. Just a mass delusion gathering. Objective news reporters there at the time said they saw nothing but mass praying. Now that happened just over 100 years ago yet we’re supposed to take on face value the supposed 500 anonymous witnesses of nearly 2000 years ago in a remote part of Bronze Age Palestine as “fact”? That may do it for you but the mutterings and sayings of superstitious, illiterate, fanatical goat herders doesn’t quite cut it for me. Yeah people claim they see Christ all the time, that’s what happens when people have been indoctrinated into a particular religious faith since the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire in 314 and made it the de facto religion of the western world thereafter. Yes the Old Testament certainly has “stories” in it but it gets it fundamentally wrong regarding the origin of the Earth by claiming it was created in 6 days which is of course completely wrong as science now shows the planet is an estimated 4.6 billion years old and life evolution went through an incredibly long time. Doesn’t even mention the dinosaurs! Lived on the planet from 230 to 66 million years ago. The human race as been here at a maximum of 250 thousand years by comparison. This colossal deep time in prehistory and the extraordinary lifeforms that used to inhabit the world just makes the fables in the Bible just tacky sinister fairytales for adults. “Jesus says loving and forgiving your enemies, he was an ethical genius” Seriously? I think loving and forgiving your enemies, people who wish you harm is the most masochistic, servile and suicidal position to take. Why the hell do you want to love people that hate you? Utter masochism. You love your own enemies but don’t expect me to love mine, I hate my enemies and want them totally defeated before they try to defeat me. We have Free Will because we have no choice but to have it Your logic, “we have Free Will because god gave it to us!” That’s hopeless, intellectually, that Big Brother in the sky gave us it. Stick to watching Spider-Man youth.

[@LaneMcCall]

Cliffe and Stuart are the coolest guys on KZbin and I'm hooked!!! Can't wait to meet them one day.

[@mercedeshalle224]

Listening to Cliffe and Stuart helped bring me back to God. I didn't consider myself a Christian most of my life but I do now. Their wisdom, love and Patience is such a beautiful representation of God's love. Thank you both of you!❤

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE? To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[@barnesen]

Let us know how long it lasts, or what religion you find afterwards.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@barnesen Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@grawss]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Instant forgiveness upon repentance is an incredible aspect of God's love. "Jesus loves you" means He makes an enormous effort for your sake, which yes, is shown by His death on the cross and resurrection, but is continued into eternity through the perfect love that the Father shows his children. The value of the word "Grace" cannot be understated!

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@grawss Grace is God doing the saving since humans can't keep the law perfectly and the bare minimum He asks for in return is to repent Ephesians 2:. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast

[@coltonnewport9115]

My favorite part of the debate is when Aaron heard a point he didn’t agree with, then got all pissy and whiney yelling “NO, YOURE WRONG, IM RIGHT” over and over again like a petulant child. (The entire debate)

[@christianglass5918]

Aaron is like a little boy throwing a fit lol majority of atheists have that same attitude “your wrong, I’m right, IM RIGHT” 😂

[@barryallen8753]

Exactly

[@Lauriestrode1978]

But, so does many Christians, they’ll preach that everything in the Bible is true even when proven the Bible is not original and is a sequal to other texts.

[@justin10292000]

atheism is toddler-tantrumish nonsense.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@barryallen8753 In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@WyoRaider]

Why is Ary even in this debate? He's not coming into this with any sort of curiosity or respect for information exchange. I can't listen to his demeaning these guys any more.

[@konnvict8974]

Aron Ra's debate tactics: 1-Interrupt everytime your opponent speaks. 2-Yell strongly to try to "dominate your enemies" 3-Act with confidence that your enemy is stupid, while providing zero evidences whatsoever, OR responses to questions asked of him. This is a guy who walks around thumping his chest hoping to obtain a following by doing so, yet doesn't contain a shred of intelligence.

[@afrox357]

Preach!!!

[@sethmarquez6076]

I’m a Christian just to preface this comment..... some of Aron’s points completely shut our fellow Christians down. It made me realize I’ve got a lot of studying to do. Aron is obviously a jerk, but if you listen, he knows his stuff. We need to take an honest, and hard look at what we live our lives for.

[@konnvict8974]

@@sethmarquez6076 @Seth Marquez Forgive me, but in complete respect and truth. I've seen PLENTY of Aron Ra. If you find anything he says convincing then I'd certainly agree, you have alot of studying to do. I must disagree however that anything he says actually shuts down ANY reasonably educated christian apologist. I could rant on why, but I suppose we'll leave that to viewer opinion.

[@sethmarquez6076]

@@konnvict8974 then please, explain to me how he got the translation wrong, and why was it after he made that point, did Cliffe and son move on to another point? I’m not saying everything he said was correct, but given the importance of that particular point, it was a pivotal moment in the discourse during which our Christian brothers lacked a meaningful response.

[@konnvict8974]

@@sethmarquez6076 trust me friend. We can sit here going through every line, tat and tiddle, and everytime nothing he asserts is factually accurate. As I did before, I encourage you to do the homework yourself, so I dont have to. ;) been in these comments enough where people are expecting you to explain everything so they dont actually have to put anything in google themselves. If u want to know more about a topic discussed in this video friend, go research it, but I promise u, Aron KNOWINGLY lies quite often, and in fact, very little truth has ever seeped out of that man during any discussion. If any truth comes out, it's only to prepare u for the next lie, so your more comfortable and ready to accept it. If your gonna start going off in a tantrum expecting me to explain every reasoning in cliffs head as well as what everything means, I blatantly say no, and refer back to when I told u do the homework yourself. As a nice gesture though, I'll give u ONE reasoning: FAIRNESS. Often Aron Ra kept changing the topic and not answering questions. He took not only his own time, but the time of others. It's really NO WONDER why someone would eventually choose to ignore something u say at some point. EVEN IF ONLY to return the favor, though I dont believe "returning the favor" to be the reason he did it. I would say often people get sick of.one side steering the discussion and they want to get ONE point across themselves without being interrupted and sidetracked.

[@Yawnsinbed]

The moderator keeps defending aron, but when aron intrups he doesn't do anything to stop him

[@briggy4359]

To be fair, Aron isn't on God's side, so he deserves the handicap assist.

[@hay_Z2021]

I'm a Christian that was invited on one of these shows, I wasn't allowed to say much either,

[@JonjonTV]

yeah, i think you're right, aron interrupted numerous of times, and was allowed a follow up on his point. but for the most part, I think James does a fair job, just odd that he was more unfair to the christians. probably some bias. unsure tho.

[@Christina__Lyasia]

Right, i peeped that too

[@eazy-cheez-e8033]

@@hay_Z2021 wait really? Could u send a link, I would love to watch and I’m not trying to be sarcastic. I’m honestly curious..

[@joshuadavis8265]

Aron interrupts, , interjects, misquotes, insults, and belittles the Christian’s for 60 min Also Aron “”lEt mE f’InG fInIsH” 😂🤣🤷🏻‍♂️

[@skylermccloud6230]

Hard not to when there being so stupid

[@Wizardsmagic24]

When he said “I don’t lie that’s why I’m not a believer” I was like ok that was unnecessary

[@Wizardsmagic24]

He just throws so many insults that just had me thinking “why what was the point of that what did that do for this debate?”

[@6loccswitextentions177]

Look at these 4 people and observe how these men represent themselves. Tells you all you need to know

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@missinterpretation4984]

Ok so all the Christian pastors molesting kids tells me all I need to know too, right?

[@yungk6043]

You dont have to be religious to know Aron just has anger issues

[@googlespynetwork]

Yes, I saw him snarl at a woman outside an event because he didn't like what she said. To where even all his Atheist buddies turned around and looked at him, like what the hell are you doing dude? It was really demonic. The woman was very calm and letting him talk but he snapped like he was going to attack her.

[@Someguy-oi9tf]

Exactly, everyone else is saying "He is fighting demons". No, that is called Anger Issues 😂

[@yungk6043]

@@Someguy-oi9tfIn religion. Whatever "isnt" we call the devil. The opposite of what "IS". While God "IS" therefore he says "I AM" Aron has anger issues. Meaning he has demons. Same thing.

[@mariusleroy8895]

I like How Tjump always goes on Google to find good arguments and can’t make up his own pre meditates ones, it just shows How unfair a debate online can be and just How little Tjump has actually researched stuff beforehand

[@christopherianlister5212]

will you be my slave /servant under the rules in Exodus 21, cliff refused to answer that one...

[@The_Sam_Harris_Variety_Channel]

@@christopherianlister5212 Exodus 21 is a chapter in the Bible that contains a collection of laws that God gave to Moses for the Israelites to follow. These laws cover a variety of topics related to social justice, personal injury, and property rights. The chapter begins with laws about slavery, which were common in ancient times, but it's important to note that the laws in Exodus 21 were designed to regulate and limit the practice of slavery rather than condone it. The laws include guidelines for the treatment of slaves and the punishment for those who mistreat them. The chapter also includes laws related to personal injury and the payment of restitution. For example, it establishes that if someone injures another person, they must compensate the victim for their loss of time and income. Furthermore, Exodus 21 includes laws related to the treatment of women, children, and animals. These laws emphasize the importance of treating vulnerable members of society with dignity and respect. Overall, Exodus 21 is a chapter that provides a framework for promoting social justice and protecting the rights of individuals, particularly those who are marginalized or vulnerable. Generated by ai

[@ArguablyRight]

I mean the fairness doesn't matter in a debate. Facts are facts whether someone has memorised them or not. Checking claims over the internet has been made easy now, sure, but it also allows the debate to not rely on one side claiming information to be true when actually it isn't.

[@johnrap7203]

Checking false claims is a good thing, is it not? If someone says something that seems wrong/false/a lie/a mistake, then utilising information sources is a fast and almost immediate refutation. Every time TJump did it, he clearly refuted the claims.

[@alkaizerelite1217]

​​@@christopherianlister5212 don't believe what atheist say when they interpret bible scriptures #1 verses is filtered #2 they will put self made meaning on the scriptures to make bible contradictions. First jhon 2:23: who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the father and the son. if you see someone claiming to be a prophet ask them " do you acknowledge Jesus Christ as a god?" if they deny move away. God, bless

[@yamoisredeemed]

54:10 is beautiful for me. WHY? Because Cliffe is literally defending even OTHER RELIGIONS. Aron mentioned a wrong statement about hinduism and budhism and how they interact with their God but Cliffe (not only him being christian but also his past debates when he mentions his debates with friends with other religions) actually understands the other religions and have studied them. Amazing consideration and as always big up to Cliffe standing up for people even with religious beliefs that are opposing to his with the same passion he stands up for Jesus Christ. God Bless you all.

[@pridepotterz6564]

Yet according to him and the Bible all Hindus are going to hell. Great. Hypocrisy at its finest

[@Chasingtheosis]

Fr

[@Nonyobiiz]

How is this a debate? Aron only says “you’re wrong I’m right.” And got aggressive and childish with it. Just shows maybe he can’t stand being wrong so he’s subjected to deaf ears and twisting of words.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@Rizzored]

Ima be honestly I came in here scared for my faith because of “top atheists” but now I’m even more comfortable in my faith. Thanks cliffe and Stuart.

[@amro-f5x]

Me fr

[@unlockyourcock]

How?? 😂 Did you even listen to what they said? They made sense. These Christians just babbled with great confidence.

[@gottogofast8328]

@@unlockyourcockHow did you even understand the atheists when they are just screaming at the top of their lungs the whole time?

[@unlockyourcock]

@@gottogofast8328 yeah I‘m not a fan of the screaming either, but I can understand it. It‘s really upsetting to argue with such stubborn people, who ignore all facts

[@infinitedeath1384]

​​@@gottogofast8328😂 Bro Aron raised his voice like 2 times during the debate, and tjump was the quietest person there. It wasy the "whole debate', more like 1 time during the end, where Aron said "excuse me I'm fucking talking here," and another time Aron raised his voice somewhere in the middle of the video. The video is an hour and 36 minutes long, of those minutes, voices were raised for maybe 10 minutes at most. I felt the most amount of anger coming from Aron those 2 times. Also, they weren't screaming their lungs out even in the most heated moments .

[@cgi5349]

This reminds me of myself when I was an atheist. It's exactly what Cliff said that they are breaking down everything to science and diminishing their values and life. This reflects on their rude behavior of coming on thinking that they will win the debate easily with science.

[@Bey0ndNames]

Everything you know has a breakdown in science. You can appreciate something’s value to the world while disagreeing. I am thankful for the morality aspect of religion and agree with alot of what religious books preach, aside from the imaginary events. (Heaven/hell) Religion brings a peace of mind, i shame no one for believing in it because it is beautiful. Religion is faith based and people want faith there is a “deeper meaning” to us. They were correct on the first point from tjump regarding what’s proof or what’s real. This is the main message. As crazy as ra rona or whatever his name is, he was right and cliff was wrong on his point about the bhagavad gita.

[@tannorhighroller7517]

First off, its not them being rude, its them getting frustrated that someone isn't grasping their rather simple points. Secondly, they never said they were going to "easily win the debate with science" in fact Tjump says like 4 or 5 times that "I agree science is not the only evidence, but if you have other evidence please say it" in which they had no reply. Lastly, How does knowing what you're made of diminish your value? did you see how offended they got when Tjump stated the fact that love is just a chemical reaction? its just unbiased knowledge about your biology, not some sad and misleading position. believers are so nihilistic

[@tuxedo_stormtrooper]

They did. Aron absolutely wiped the floor in this debate despite the heated moments

[@maximusmarquez5660]

​@@tannorhighroller7517I think Cliffe's whole point there was that atheists were the nihilistic ones for thinking love is just chemical reactions, I don't see why that would make Cliffe a nihilist since he doesn't believe that. Also yelling because your mad or frustrated is rude in my opinion.

[@diggy1108]

Amen

[@markgarcia9070]

The fact that Aron's internet cut out so much is evidence enough of God's existence. 😅

[@johnny1194]

Lol

[@olemanyounger5040]

He lives in Texas. Surrounded by theists. So things dont work well there, since people informed of reality are lacking.

[@stevenrogersfineart4224]

LOL

[@MM-eq7sw]

You made me laugh 😂 thank you

[@KeoMari]

what evidence does the theist have aronra prove that genesis didnt happen.

[@VaporCun]

So Aron thought acting like a fucking child and interrupting everyone was the most professional way to present his beliefs, really makes atheism look appealing...

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

[@VaporCun]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Honest question from one christian to another do you think dropping 3 paragraphs of ramblings is going to be taken seriously by a non believer. Just a polite criticism but try to stay on topic, no one on the fence is going to receive this. It's disrespectful to their time and makes you sound ill.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@VaporCun All people everywhere need to hear the Gospel. As a Christian you are expected to preach for the time is short. 1 Corinthians 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for necessity is laid upon me; yes, woe is me if I do not preach the gospel. Jesus also said in Matthew 12:30 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

[@Old_poncho27]

@@VaporCun its a bot bruh just ignore it

[@JesseGsUs25]

Notice how in the beginning the atheist said donate I need all the help I can get .

[@jacksobrooks]

Says he doesn't claim to be an authority in atheism or the Bible. Wants to be paid to represent people on those fronts. Lol.

[@infra_r3d133]

Aron Ra, raised by Mormons… this makes so much more sense now.

[@dukenjuken1989]

I understood where he’s coming from as soon as he said Mormon 😂

[@geochonker9052]

@@dukenjuken1989 No wonder he hates Christians so much. He was raised by cultists who told him he has to earn salvation and never realised they aren't Christians

[@2vcrew782]

Yeah his parents believed John Smith found gold plates in NY and could see things looking into a hat full of rocks 😂 But Cliffe is strange ?

[@JohnDuggle]

Thanks for the info fr. Glad I went to comment

[@infra_r3d133]

Can’t see all the replies? YT notifications let me know but now I can’t see em

[@bluecat1233]

Why is the host of this so worried about Aaron being left out or cut off when Aaron’s the one who keeps cutting everyone else off, & has a nasty emotional attitude.

[@goji8755]

Because his opponents are ignorant and ignore every piece of evidence he provides. It’s only fair in a debate to let the opponent speak.

[@telemachus7732]

If I had to pick one person in the debate who mostly resembles a troll..........

[@brinaechanel4236]

Same Thing I Was Wondering

[@sunkid02]

because this isnt a debate its just two idiots ignoring facts and reality and two other guys dedicating the viewers of this show.....i wouldn't let them speak either they have nothing useful to add or contribute

[@goodbye6676]

@@sunkid02 If you're confident what you're saying is correct you should have no problem with letting two "idiots" speak it causing no harm. Do other things on your phone until it's your turn instead of being frustrated over something you presume is nonsense

[@danvanderdonk]

It's very hard to listen to a debate when one participant continues to interrupt and become agitated. James needs to grow a set and moderate.