Dropping the Golf "F" Bomb 💣 | STOP FLIPPING THE CLUB AT IMPACT 💢

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

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[@marydworakowski626]

Thank you!

[@douglaswarner3598]

As a PGA Member and a competitive tournament player over the years have worked with some of the higher-ranked teachers in the USA. Have learned rankings mean nothing without results. Not one of them addressed in my swing what you guys have taught me. It is as if you can see my action and are addressing it personally. So in not being able to find a teacher who knows his stuff, I have had to fix my own swing. What I have learned from you guys has helped immensely and has kept my desire to learn and play well alive. Thank you.

[@chrisfong93]

I've been trying to get rid of my flip for the past month or more. I'm only doing half swings, but this explanation finally got my body and hands where they need to be

[@DavidSkok1]

This was great! I've just been looking at my swings on video and wondering why I looked odd compared to the pros. Now I see that I have my left arm pinned to my chest! Thanks guys!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

You're not alone with that, David, but it is fixable!🙂

[@tryan137]

David Skok I think most of us amateur golfers hear the words stay connected and then in trying to do so have the lead arm stuck across the chest coming into impact. Yet again another great explanation by Mike & Shaun.

[@bluzz991]

Great drills. I played 18 holes, using the third tip here. I discovered this drill by accident last year, trying to get away from my open face. Closed my face at address with irons. Made me come through much better. My subconscious knew what to do. Never hit my irons better. Every one of my approach shots were at the pins. Much more solid than usual. Wondered how this could work, but it did. I have a long-standing tendency to hit my irons weak, open clubface, and would need to flip through impact, usually hit weak and short. This drill made me hit solid! Showed me what was possible. Now to do this every week!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Love that, Bluzz... nice job!

[@TheLocalHero-Sydney]

This the greatest flipping lesson ever.

[@OpaKnows]

So glad to hear you guys say this. I feel there is an overemphasis on rotating the upper body right from the top of back swing through impact. You have to swing the arms.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Absolutely 100% HAVE to👊

[@svn75060]

I've never struck my irons so well. The more penetrating ball flight and increased distance was what I experienced after watching this video. Great great great video. Thank you AMG.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome, Steve, we're glad it helped! Nice work👊

[@delmaryennie2061]

OH,YEA, we were told to keep our left arm close to our chest and there is NO way you can do it without the flip that you don't want. I have got a lot of changing to do. But now I have all winter to do it in my basement and again thank you. You keep making more sense then any others.

[@crispyduck1706]

That was mind blowing chaps - straightening the right arm is something am trying to do and had no idea why that could create a slide and flip which is what have been suffering from for years - really great stuff Gentleman

[@Boss302ATC]

Consistent message over the years... There is something there for sure in the way these guys teach

[@davidreilly88]

Another quality video lads, loved the tangent Shaun went off on with the recent lesson he had. Thanks

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Sometimes we can't help it😊

[@forrestgardener8906]

One thing I'd really like to see is a before and after video of a student who solves their problem using these ideas. We know that Sean can demonstrate!

[@KT-wr2ow]

Yes exactly. That would help us a lot! Please do this.

[@rockenfuss1]

I have looked over most of your combined instructional videos. Assuming everything has been correctly accomplished leading into impact, what causes the right hand to cross over the left post-impact (obvious in the motion of tour players) so that the right wrist has moved from extension at the top of the backswing to flexion at the finish of the downswing? Does this "cross over" release of the hands and wrists just happen as a product of having done everything correctly with the hands and arms dropping and moving across the chest with a closed upper body combined with upper body rotation? I am a basketball shooting coach. I see the same extension to flexion happening with the shooting hand in the release motion. In shooting the basketball, the upward, lifting motion of the shooting hand and arm toward the basket causes the arm to straighten and the hand then moves to a "hand in the cookie jar" flexion position. There really seems to be a similarity of such motion across several sports!

[@richardbronson7129]

Great video.....I could not understand what JR was trying to achieve with his rehearsal. Now you have made it so clear Can't wait to get to the range to try the drills. I was Mr. F Bomb no more Thanks

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Love it👊😂

[@DBLACKJACK70]

Great stuff as usual guys. Master slider here hence the meniscus tear. You continue to make the complicated simple!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Yikes man take care of that wheel!

[@realcap2010]

So, after I make this move forward, does the club release forward or left? Thx for great explanation!

[@chappod1990]

New to your channel guys and must say I love it ! Hello from London 😎👊

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Hello from the states! Thanks for checking us out!

[@gsgr10]

2 years old but I guess good is always good - excellent stuff here - thanks, I have a lot of work to do!!

[@brenkjohnson2846]

Great video (as usual). I have a LOT of trouble getting my weight to my front side, and I don't rotate my hips/body, and I can't stop flipping the club. It seems like those 3 problems are related. Which should I focus on fixing first? Thanks.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@brenkjohnson2846 normally those problems, especially the last two, are caused by a backswing issues.

[@toddhill8070]

You guys help me ever time! Thank you for making videos that explain it so well for normal people

[@paqman78]

Oh my god this is exactly what I've been trying to figure out since last week! Thanks!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Boom! Glad it helped👊

[@retired8123]

Love the drills .I am somewhere in between the flipper and the shaft leaner (technically still a flipper i guess)...my hands are constantly even with the ball at impact ...not ahead or behind. I could not figure out how to get my hands infront with out manipulating my hands which slowed my swing speed or made contact worse. The best drills make everything happen without having to focus on that end result you are looking for. Thank you !

[@CrashCarson14]

Hmm I’ve been trying to work on things and I think I’ve done more harm than good. My normal swing has a BAD slice. Working on my swing and I push the ball now, and with about 100yds distance on multiple clubs, and a little chunking. Y’all shined a light on the slide and what nobody explains on how my chest doesn’t. Most importantly this whole left arm stuck to chest may be the hidden key ive been looking for thanks!

[@williamberger2178]

Thanks for a video for those of us player from the left side of the fairway.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

👊😊

[@KieranP1991]

Can you have the Justin Rose Drill feeling with your driver, woods and wedges as well as your irons?

[@caseypearce9078]

Another great video guys. Question about the justin rose drill (and really dropping the arms in general). What is the timing/sequence between that and the pressure shift? Do the arms drop before, during or after the shift?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

The bulk of the shift happens between left arm parallel in the backswing to left arm parallel in the downswing... so definitely during👍

[@stm5275]

If staying back causes flipping, how do you hit up on a driver without making your flip worse? I flip but it happens after impact. But with driver it starts to happen before impact and I hit the old block hook two way miss.

[@col0306]

Golden information guys. Of course you need to get upper body ahead of the ball to stop a flip!! Makes sense now. Can't believe I never thought of it!! Thanks. :-)

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

😊thanks brother!

[@DBLACKJACK70]

Fantastic this videos had really helped me stop sliding and flipping

[@pinoy122793]

This is something that I should work on because my coach and I are really trying to stop my hands from flipping.

[@OwenDawson]

Curious how you tackle the guy who throws the club from the top? IMO proper pivot doesn't always produce better impact positions. I've tried. I can get him to great better impact alignments going 9-3 swings but from the top it seems to be an impossible change, which I don't like saying. I've been working with this guy long enough to make this change, but can't get the feel across to him. BTW my teaching has certainly improved because of your content. Thank you.

[@rackum44]

I will try this great tip

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome, let us know how it goes👍

[@lkaneshi]

Wow great vid guys! I'm a career get steep on the downswing then early ext to shallow it followed by FLIP-A-RAMA! 😂. Working all these 3 drills helping a ton and looking at video the club is noticeably less steep on the down and flip much less too. Spent way too much money in lessons and gadgets trying to fix this from top down and wish I'd started at impact instead. Keep em coming. You guys are awesome

[@MrToporowskisScienceChannel]

I hit my irons straight and relatively long but slice my driver, is there something about the difference in these swings that would produce a slice in the driver? Any drills to help?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

As a general observation... most golfers struggling with that don't start squaring the face early enough... like out of the top of the swing early!

[@danielglenn7037]

Mike/Sean..thanks for your content. Can you or any viewer remind me of the name of the pressure board you used in a previous video and mentoined again today? Many thanks, Dan

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

That would be the Sheftic Pressure Board👍

[@danielglenn7037]

@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks guys

[@wonderjesus]

Great stuff again lads as always 👍🏻🙏🏻❤️🏌🏽‍♀️

[@1cleandude]

Great lesson boyz love that big American flag in the background!🙏🏻

[@rblessons]

This forward shaft position feels like making a low punch shot. I tried it and it is now impossible to flip the club from this position. But now how do you release the club after impact with this forward shaft lean?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

How are you doing it now?

[@rblessons]

@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks for the reply! It feels like the left hand stays flat after impact and does not rotate at all. However, the club and arms now stays lower and more left on the follow through. My right arm also stays straight going past impact (which is new for me as well). Should the hands rotate closed after impact?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@rblessons Most of the time they will. Keep in mind, the ball is gone so what you're doing post impact is safely slowing the club. I don't think it's a good idea to try to manipulate much of any of that. If you're coming through the ball with good angles like it sounds then let the momentum of the clubhead carry the club on around. Make sense?

[@rblessons]

@@AthleticMotionGolf Yes, thanks!!

[@mrjoszua]

rblessons I believe the right way is to use your body to release the club. So as you are at impact you squeeze the glutes and get your hips extended. This really powers the club through impact ams keeps your body stable.

[@merrickmoeller5130]

Can throwing hands from the top also cause early extension/flipping? I like the Justin rose drill but sometimes I think it causes me to pull down hard and in reaction stand up and flip.

[@docomo661]

Hey guys, the part where you talk about the amateurs having their left arm tight across the chest, and not letting go of that angle, do you think that is directly tied to lack of body rotation in the backswing > bending the right arm and also the left arm in order to get more (fake) depth/length in the swing > arms almost wrap around your torso hence left arm tight across the chest > not enough time to lose that angle in the downswing > flippy wrists?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Very much so!

[@noconnorn12]

Hey boys How about the flip because of being way dumped under the plane. Is that a pressure shift problem as well??

[@cubfan69kmz85]

I love the content and your teaching style, but I am slightly confused. I watched your recent shaft lean video where you talk about contact happening on the trail side of the body. You say the golfer should not wipe the arms across the body. In this video, you talk about the Justin Rose drill and bringing the club more in front of the body. Wouldn’t this contradict the thought about not wiping the arms across the body or am I totally inferring wrong? Anyways, as someone who is struggling to get shaft lean and my arms in the correct delivery position, I want to make sure I am understanding this right.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Good question! I think the easiest way to think about or picture where things need to be is by using YOUR body as the reference rather than the camera. As far as shaft lean goes, have your hands in front of your right side (if your right-handed). That’s where impact should occur. Now add in some turn, shift, and tilt but all while keeping your hands on the right side of your center line. Do that in fro t of a mirror or camera and you’ll see shaft lean 👊😉

[@cubfan69kmz85]

@@AthleticMotionGolf this may be a stupid question, it’s not like it would be my first, when you say tilt, do you mean right side tilt? Thanks in advance.

[@Uncle19]

For the dropping the hands drill, does that mean my downswing should start with my arms though? How can I initiate the downswing with my body (hips?) and drop arms, while saving my shoulder rotation for impact? I've almost eliminated my flip but my left elbow really struggles to not bend behind me.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

The goal is to get the hands/arms back in front before impact. For so many guys who struggle to do that, yes they'll often feel that their arms go first in the sequence. But here's the thing... that sequence happens in a about 1/2 the time it takes you to blink, and you won't be dropping the arms without the other parts supporting that... meaning the hips will move. This idea of a deliberate sequence of hips, then torso, then arms has caused a ton of problems for golfers. Practically speaking, they move at very much the same time. Minutely speaking, there is a slight difference.

[@Uncle19]

@@AthleticMotionGolf I'll give it a shot thanks for the info! Any related content on keeping left wrist straight after impact and not pushing the right hand forward to bend the left wrist?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

All that stuff after impact is only possible if you're coming into impact well.😉

[@OpaKnows]

Please help me here. When I try this, when I try to stay low with the hands and a bit closed on full iron/woods shots, I invariably hit the ground hard and make poor contact. I can manage it with the wedges, but I just feel like I run out of room for the club head to get through. Any suggestions? Would that feeling of separating my lead arm from my body through contact help?

[@method341]

I have noticed that a lot of pros look like they're throwing their arms as hard as possible into impact. I looked at my swing in slow mo and it looked like my arms were just rotating around my body, not being thrown as hard as possible. I'm trying to get to the position where I can throw the arms as hard as possible but it's hard not to do it straight from the top ( and come over the top).

[@winsyong]

That Luke Donald’s pump drill is now hijacked as Justin Rose’s drill 😬😬. If I remember correctly, Donald credited the drill to his teacher so it has been around for a long time.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Yessir, been around a long long time. There's very little (if anything) new in this game. We reference him because it's super easy for folks to search and watch the "Justin Rose drill"😊

[@acershund1]

How about a drill to prevent shifting weight to left left via the right toe- the ballerina toe- causes change in spine angle and lots of inconsistencies

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Typically early extension is already under way before the ballerina look happens.

[@gessed]

Excellent video. Thank you.

[@sirtogii5216]

Great video guys

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks brother!

[@dseveno8254]

Most important lesson on the internet imo. For me it is anyway.

[@dand1363]

Guys, at 4.00, how does the geometry work that shaft lean opens the club face and flipping closes it? I know that's correct but I don't understand the geometry/physics behind that.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

It has to do with the sweet spot being out away from the shaft combined with the slight face rotations from tilting the shaft forward or backward.

[@balisongjihad4108]

How would you explain the vast majority of modern coaches disagree that toe up at left arm parallel is neutral. Neutrality to swing plane is what most coaches agree to which would mean face would be roughly on your spine angle at left arm parallel. Otherwise everything in the video was dead on and very helpful but I was super surprised of your opinion on club face neutrality please let me know your thought process

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

To get the face parallel to the ground, it's a little less than toe up. That comes from having gotten to work with and measure the club movements of some of the most accurate ball-strikers in the past 25 years. Prior to that, we had the same opinion as everyone as most others as you mentioned. A few points that went into the process... the spine angle is arbitrary and has zero effect on the face angle. The spine angle and plane are not perpendicular to each other. The clubface rotates open for everyone about 150-180 degrees. We see way more golfers keep the face overly shut for too long only to have an issue with the face being overly open coming down. A lot of that caused by the issues that created with the right side of the body from being too closed for too long.

[@balisongjihad4108]

Athletic Motion Golf thanks for getting back to me guys I’ll keep this in mind for sure

[@balisongjihad4108]

Athletic Motion Golf I really like the position and reason for this slightly toe down. I’ve always felt that toe too down I’m headed for a pull unless I make unnecessary movements

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@balisongjihad4108 👊

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@balisongjihad4108 See it all the time too

[@danielrestrepo2319]

Great stuff, awesome videos

[@denster1YT]

Squatting to start the down swing has become a hot topic as of late. Could you guys comment on this move?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Sure, Dennis... first, could you tell us what that means to you? We literally get a slightly different answer every time someone explains what that means to them. Just want to make sure we're discussing the same thing👍

[@denster1YT]

Athletic Motion Golf Moving pressure from right heel to left heel during the downswing by squatting into the knees, which supposedly centers hips as the shoulders and arms stay back. Thanks so much for the reply!

[@TheJohnnyblazsus]

For me it's an unweighting of the lead side after the weight shift towards the target. If you go to the top and unweight the lead foot it should pull your shoulders around and there's a squat move. I find the move good for getting unstuck adding rotation

[@dapper_darrin]

This is gold

[@historicus146]

And what of the left arm pinned that then leads to a left arm block? (vid mark 10:25) Doesn't arms working across the chest lead to a left arm block? It seems to with me...

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

This is a great example of what many have thought and taught being the opposite of what actually happens in good swings. The best part is we're not sharing opinion. We've pulled this info from guys who've won over $500 million on Tour. They aren't pinning the left arm and it doesn't cause a left-arm block.

[@historicus146]

@@AthleticMotionGolf I hope you didn't take my comment in the wrong spirit. I fight the left arm block, and have been trying to keep the left arm connected and left elbow pointed at left hip.. I though the left arm coming off was a fault....I trust you guys explicitly. Thanks for all you input.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Not at all, bud! I was mainly responding to the idea in general because so many golfers struggle with this and a lot of it stems from concept and intent.

[@historicus146]

@@AthleticMotionGolf I hope you didn't take my comment in the wrong spirit. I believe you guys, and your proving of what you maintain is key. I may have missed it, isn't it key to have that left arm rotate as it leaves the chest? Speith certainly has his arm leave...more than most.

[@fradaja]

Here’s why amateurs flip, tensing at impact , if you are trying to hit something hard , it’s natural to tense , you have to stay relaxed through impact , the minute you tense the club flips

[@budunknown4939]

Would like free video. Thank you.

[@TopblokeGolf]

Another great video from the dynamic duo, come on guys give us a few holes!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

🙏👊

[@kennethgustavsson1850]

Can I have shaft line to the left in the set up?

[@tonyarvanitakis6457]

Great video

[@fnanook]

Great video...

[@johnmims3645]

Great information but I wish you guys would hit more on what to do and less on what not to do.

[@creamabdul-jabbar6722]

Shot a 37 on 9 today and idk how but driver was flipping everything

[@ChristiannTyler]

I’ve gotten to a 13 handicap and until yesterday I thought I hit the ball normal.. then my friend filmed me and surprise! I flip my hands like it’s my first day on the course it was disgusting to watch.. how I can call him a friend for not telling me sooner is debatable.

[@kiwijohn01]

Oh man. I was told to squeeze my arm against my left chest and then spin the hips hard!.. no wonder I'm rubbish lol

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

kiwijohn01 yikes that’s definitely something to avoid trying to do 😬

[@BamaPaul]

Would you agree with this statement? Moderate swing speeds don’t need as much shaft lean. To much you would not get the desire ball flight be to low.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

I guess it would depend on the window of shaft lean being considered. Do you have a range in mind?

[@BamaPaul]

Athletic Motion Golf well my swing speed is around low 90”s with driver. I would say I have about 3 degrees of shaft lean.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@BamaPaul 3 isn't much, but how that 3 is created is important along with where the hands are at impact. Adding loft to the hit can be just as negative for distance.

[@BamaPaul]

Athletic Motion Golf I don’t add loft my hands are over my left thigh about 2 inches at impact. If you know what I mean. I do release out a little early my hands are just outside my right thigh at p6 position. But I don’t hit a high ball .

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@BamaPaul If you contact point on the face is good then it sounds like (without seeing your swing) you're in good shape!

[@fabricealcindor7302]

Wait... Leaning the shaft open the face ???

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Yep🙂

[@fabricealcindor7302]

OK. Then İ understand. İ tried by hasard this drill and ideed I had pretty solid contact. Still I said to my self I cannot play régular round with such string grip and finally dropped it, with conséquences, poor contact. What would be the good way then to transition to this string grip Position of the drill to a grip I can use on the course? Thanks

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@fabricealcindor7302 you hit it better but did t like the way it felt?

[@fabricealcindor7302]

Yes it felt great. As mentioned, I thought this strong grip was meant to be used only as a drill. Do you avise to go to a neutral grip and make it strong dynamically by bowing the wrist for instance? Thanks

[@fabricealcindor7302]

So İ went to the driving range and sees what worked for me was to go with a very strong grip at address. As a result I produced big push hook. And one way to go back Right and straight was to push hand forward. So I will stick to that even on the course for a bit of time. Thanks.

[@ML-wb5pj]

Whoa 😮

[@franzose1967]

my problem with the driver

[@diamondautoglass5370]

I like what you guys are saying, but it’s difficult to follow when you deviate by interjecting stories. It would be easier to follow if you stopped saying what golfers do wrong. Just keep on point and say/show the correct way. Thank you.

[@Kylealexander15]

Oxsm

[@sweetdream391]

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[@zz424]

Your video.made no sense and you did a bad job describing the drills. I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DRILLS ARE!!!! MAJOR FAIL!!!

[@tipsy09]

these two guys can play best ball against me and i'd still win by 10 strokes

[@adamlinkenauger4810]

haha surrrrre no picture profile guy! lol

[@balisongjihad4108]

Chode. I bet you Think best ball is a scramble

[@massimoforgione220]

perche continuate a mentire.............

[@atxbowlingcoach]

Great video

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks!