Attempting Repairs on a 10-Year-Old PC...

Attempting Repairs on a 10-Year-Old PC...
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My father-in-law reported some issues with his PC, which used to be my wife's PC. Can it be repaired or is it time for an upgrade?
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[@tomkittisnatch4973]

"Hey Paul, one of the burners on the stove quit working!" "Don't worry honey... I'll just remodel the kitchen."

[@gamingjuusu9034]

Aww man, I was hoping to see an actual repair go down. 😞 Should have just titled the video "Building a new computer for my Father In-Law"

[@2K-Tan]

It was most likely just the SUPER old SSD that was causing it to hang on installation. Boom new SSD in and your up in running. I just think he wanted an excuse to build a PC. Would have been way cooler to see the old system saved and live on, But whatever...

[@tacontrol7084]

@@2K-Tan Exactly what I though...

[@steve00alt70]

@@2K-Tan how do you know it was an SSD issue?

[@2K-Tan]

@@steve00alt70 That's what all signs pointed to. No boot or slow boot = dead drive 90% of the time.

[@jyow-xe7pw]

This isn't at all why I watched the video.... Highly disappointed

[@TheHalfBakedCookie]

part of me wanted him to use his old case

[@Andre_vyent]

same.

[@lotus4010]

Same here

[@Brockschackmann]

Yeah i was thinking the same

[@ggesdsdsdsd]

Yes, would of been a good sleeper pc.

[@josethemacho]

For the people that wanted the old system fix : the problem was that he had a windows 10 usb instalation stick in for UEFI bios !!! The old system needs LEGACY !

[@wboyd33]

Actually you can use a UEFI loaded USB drive on a non-UEFI BIOS & load a non-Secure Boot load of Windows 10 to an older computer. During the setup...Instead of it creating the 4 partition tables (for the UEFI/Secure Boot setup on newer computers) at the creating partitions part, the USB installer will only create the 2 patitions it needs to load an O.S. Just an F.Y.I. incase you wanted to know

[@mkayjordan1169]

Lmao, I'll never get over the era of cases where everything had to look like it was space age.

[@chrisc.1868]

TheJTheorem yep, my first was the Sunbeam Transformer.

[@capecodguy2685]

And 10-15 years later we have the options of either space age, or plain box. We are truly living in a golden age. Fun fact: I used this exact case for my first gaming PC. I got irrationally excited when I saw it in the thumbnail.

[@qqqqqq724]

same here first case years ago

[@Edman_79]

Period Alienware cases from Dell looked almost exactly the same :D Fitting name!

[@-eMpTy-]

Back then I've always used $5 office PC cases and rather spent more money on the actual hardware. I've applied some vinyl camo wrap to both sidepanels of a thicc IBM steel case once and painted the rest black with green camo elements (with this method: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWOknYV7m9d4pJI )

[@DaveSimonH]

The only point I would make is that he had both a DVD & blu-ray drive, and now he has neither. And for those who would respond to that, "But people don't use DVDs/Blu-rays these days", his father in law clearly does.

[@CommodoreFan64]

Agreed, he could have included one Blu-Ray burner just in case it's ever needed, People like Paul, and other tubers who do this all the time sometimes forget the needs/wants of the average computer user, plus he said his father in law is going to another country, so what if the internet is poor where he's going, then he might want to buy some movies on DVD/Blu-Ray to watch on his PC.

[@AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup]

I thought the same thing. Many of us don't use optical drives, but my dad sure as hell does. And if I built him a new PC, he would be disappointed if it didn't have one. I suppose he could use an external drive, but still. If nothing else, he could have just built the new PC, in the old case.

[@MrSamadolfo]

😒 plus he forced papa to use Spy10, this son in law is such a moron, this is a total downgrade

[@CommodoreFan64]

nappydrew I have an external USB blu-Ray drive I rarely use, but I still build my personally rigs with at least one DVD-RW drive because I salvage a lot of older hardware, and like Retro PC gaming, and some of those systems won't boot off USB, so you need to burn CD's, and DVD's to instal an OS, or another example is last night was my sister's wedding, and I took a crap ton of photos for her, and archive them for her after going through, and touching them up a bit, burning them onto a DVD-R which will last much much longer then throwing it on a USB thumb drive which could become corrupted over time. So again drives like these still have a use case for a lot of people, and it's sad that people like Paul forget that.

[@AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup]

I just use an external USB optical drive for my personal builds, but for older ppl, I typically ask them if they want one in the tower or not. Maybe Paul asked him...who knows.

[@MASKOAA]

Do you find the older you get the less you play games but still want the newest hardware kind of like the old guy with a corvette who just drives it around the block

[@fourtwozero]

lol

[@CommodoreFan64]

You are not the only one. My biggest problem is time, and energy, because by the time I get home from work after doing my workout at the gym my work has in the building, dealing with family crap, dinner, spending time with my girlfriend, watching wrestling some nights, etc... it's way too late, I have to get up for work the next day(not counting weekends/holidays), and I'm usually just too damn tired. Having said that I'm currently saving for new GPU, and SSD, while in the middle of finishing the rebuild of a Dell Dimension 4600 P4 system in a new case with a new old stock ULTRA module 500 Watt PSU with an IDE DVD burner, 3.5in floppy drive, and dual boot Windows 98SE/XP SP3 build with each OS getting its own 120GB WD SATA HDD for running all my retro PC games. So hopefully I'll get some lazy Sunday afternoons to use the dang thing lol!

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

We're all "30 year old boomers"

[@thomasmurphy8331]

Absolutely.

[@tabernaclejones6115]

yeah man,,sometimes i just dont wanna sit up in a pc chair and rather watch youtube but u know i got a 2060 on the way lmao

[@andreewert6576]

Paul, please listen to your fans here. Sure, new hardware is exciting and you need to show off your sponsored goods, but come on! You could have troubleshooted the error with a different board if needed, just to show what the fix was. Many viewers can't go buy a new computer. Others can, and they don't need you to show them how. Who is supposed to like you *not* showing the interesting parts? Suppose the board was the problem. Now you can plop in a Xeon X5450, max out the memory, throw in a 1030 or any last gen card. And you know what? If that's still too slow or breaks down a month later *then* you can go and build a new box. Don't lose contact with your viewer's reality here. We try to fix, then to upgrade, and only if that fails we replace. Because we pay for every part.

[@maczack87]

Totally agree. I also thought it would have been a good idea to do a security scan on the mechanical back up drive and on whatever files your saving off the old SSD before installing and transferring to the new system.

[@doddilbert]

Agreed. I'm still running on a 10 year old computer. It was slowing down in games so I eBay-ed some more RAM and fixed that issue. Then it slowed down in opening applications, so I bought an SSD and that fixed the issue. I can't afford a garage of spare parts (and free parts) to just build a new computer.

[@ppantg1]

I dont understand why a windows usb installation would fail, unless the motherboard got corrupted (how would that even happen?). Cant you just go into the bios and boot from usb like ur installing a new os?

[@steve00alt70]

@@doddilbert he did say this wasnt a tutorial did you not watch the video?

[@funny36ful]

André Ewert it’s obvious the old ssd is what crapped out. New ssd would of fixed it, but he built a new pc instead

[@Britec09]

I was waiting for a repair video :P to many people give up to easy nowadays. I am sure he will love his new upgrade.

[@josejuanandrade4439]

The problem is that the parts in that computer are too old. The processor and ram are too old and slow, so is the videocard. The igpu in that i3 is pretty much just as fast if not more then that old 3870, which is probably not even dx11. I too am all pro fix things that still may work, but if fixing that leaves you with an old, slow system, that still may die again when another component fails, i think is better just to update the core and move on. Tho i would have ask the owner if he likes his old case... because Paul's father in law may not like the new case, or just be very attached to the old one, in which case mounting the new hardware in that old case may have been much better (if it made the owner happier to keep the look of his computer)

[@WolvenSpectre]

Could be used for things such as Firewalls, Routers, NAS, PBX, etc.

[@wobblysauce]

Same... clear the software issue and done.

[@toymachine4253]

WolvenSpectre perfect for a WindowsXP gaming PC XD

[@cee128d]

Britec09 I agree. If he wants to give his Father In Law a newer computer fine. I have no problem with that. But take some time and determine what is causing the problem as well. My bet is the graphics card or the POC Patriot SSD. I know it's old, but it is perfect;y serviceable. While I seriously doubt that he has a motherboard or cpu to swap out, he definitely has ram, ssds, and graphics cards that he could have tried. And I never saw him do a BIOS clear either. Those old NForce boards were notorious for needing that even when the board would post. I really expected more from Paul on this.

[@CoalitionGaming]

Build a custom water cooled rig inside that old NZXT case! Then send the internals over to Bryan from Tech YES city and I'm sure he'll rehab it with success :)

[@flaggeable]

and sell them for a lot of money

[@joehorton01]

I didn’t even watch the video. After seeing the lackluster attempt at fixing it and saying screw it, I immediately came to the comments bc I knew there’d be some good ones

[@MrSamadolfo]

BUCKSLAYER 😒 rite, everyone shud thumbs down this video 👎

[@forgonestilllearning]

Right, cause he made you watch MrSammy and clearly your channel is better....

[@joehorton01]

iamBake uhhh what?

[@forgonestilllearning]

sorry comment was @MrSammy not you.

[@markevans4692]

At least try booting a Linux distro before recording the time of death.

[@masontv5270]

when you said an antivirus I was like dangit mcafee

[@willl5410]

Change title request to "Feeble Attempt at Repairing a 10 year old PC." Gave up pretty quick, lol.

[@CoalitionGaming]

I've installed Windows 10 on OG Yonah Core architecture (pre-Core2) as well as Pentium D systems (and plenty of Core2duo systems). It would have worked fine.

[@CommodoreFan64]

Ross Moutell As someone else stated, it can be done, but who says he needed to use Windows anyways, seems to me his father in law could benefit from moving away from Windows with an OS like Ubuntu, Linux Mint XFCE, or CloudReady OS Home Edition(open source Chrome OS). moving my family who are not gamers, or heavy power users over to Chrome OS has been the best thing, as I get far far fewer tech calls now.

[@spam4just]

Ross Moutell nonsense it’s a 64bit cpu so would have worked fine.

[@Catsrules1]

Windows 10 still has a 32bit version.

[@BandanazX]

Not only did he give up, but he probably stuffed bad parts into the new system. Test drives? What? This was a pathetic video. I lost a lot of respect for Paul.

[@bradleybriggs4910]

Just do what Kyle did. Replace everything in the case. XD

[@danielchong5032]

Better still, get Lyle to build it and record it as a gift!

[@KRoOoOoZ]

well he kinda did the same though

[@esemes16]

"It's not a new build, it's a an 'upgrade'."

[@Jdavid2890]

That's what I would have done, just put all the new parts in the old case, and told them I fixed it.

[@Jdavid2890]

Upgraded the PC to match the power supply. :)

[@JeffDeWitt]

I'm really surprised you didn't try replacing that old SSD. Swap that out and give the machine a good cleaning I bet it would have run just fine.

[@__aceofspades]

Paul as an ex-PC repair tech, this is some pretty bad work. With software issues, you always ALWAYS need to talk to the person about their data. Reinstalling windows is the easy solution and sometimes the best, but you NEVER KNOW what the person wants with their data. Ive had customers who absolutely refused to reinstall windows or upgrade, because they have discontinued legacy application that no longer has available installers available anywhere, and you cant just copy and paste application installs. The person also loses all their settings, and configurations. You can painfully recreate it, export bookmarks, hunt for config files, etc, but its never the same.

[@SeanfromSydney]

i'd bet money he did all of that. wouldn't have made for the same video though; remember this is just presented a certain way as semi-informative entertainment

[@MrSamadolfo]

ac3ofspades878 😒👍 rite, this guy is dumb

[@AcidSugar1414]

How do you know he didn’t check with him first?

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Takes about 1-2 hrs for all settings and mandatory installations to go through (after the Windows install itself) That does not include copying files and saves over.

[@elliotlaw1590]

If he put the SSD in a working system, you can put an empty HDD or SSD into the same machine and create a clone of the old SSD, works perfectly, it's how I got windows 10 onto my SSD after upgrading from a HDD, just cloned it and booted from the SSD, had all my files and software on the SSD as well as windows 10, so if cloning the drive is an option before completely reinstalling windows on the old drive I'd recommend that, however if the old SSD is corrupt, and files are unreadable hence the crashing on boot then obviously it won't be able to create the clone SSD or HDD

[@JETWTF]

"Not attempting repairs on a 10 year old PC" should be the title, atleast get it running correct again and find the problem then decide to build new. And you should have used the Hyper 212 EVO in the new build.

[@h1tzzYT]

i dont understand it either why he used stock intel cooler? just replace the old fan from hyper 212 and you are set, maybe he was concerned about mobo safety for transporting the case? hmm

[@nakrohtap]

Exactly. Nothing is worth upgrading at this point. If you have a PC for 10 years and haven't upgraded anything, it's a lost cause. You can get used parts dirt cheap and still have a system at least 3 times as fast.

[@zednik8956]

perhaps he didnt have the right mounting hardware? otherwise im not sure as to why he wouldnt pick the 212, maybe not fitting in the case but it looks like it has enough clearance. who knows. Its a shame as the computer would have been near silent under load with a 212 on an i3

[@RamB0T]

Ha right dude? I ran VR on a core 2 quad (see my vid if you want)... it's not like that setup is completely useless. I bet it's just dying SSD

[@2K-Tan]

It was most likely just the SUPER old SSD that was causing it to hang on installation. Boom new SSD in and your up in running. I just think he wanted an excuse to build a PC. Would have been way cooler to see the old system saved and live on, But whatever...

[@marklinton4567]

Building a new PC for the father in law was definitely the best resolution, but I think you pulled the chute too quickly trying to revive the old PC. You said a few times that you have doubts about the patriot SSD but never tried swapping it out to see if it was the problem. Now I'm left hanging with a question that can never be answered lol.

[@CommodoreFan64]

I'm also sick of KZbinrs like Paul defaulting to lets just build a new system, and install windows 10 on it, instead of what can we do to fix this system as it is, and what are the end users real needs, and see if they don't need Windows. I've rehabbed a few older systems over the past couple years for people, and myself who just need basic computers to do web surfing, office documents, etc.. who are not PC gamers with CloudReady Home Edition(open source Chrome OS found on Google Chrome devices), and 90% of the time unless they have some crazy hardware setup it just works even on 2GB of RAM with the 32bit version. In fact my current work computer is a 10+ year old AMD Athlon II X3 with with 8GB DDR2 RAM, a 2Gb AMD R7 240 GPU, and a 250GB Segate HDD for the main drive on Cloudready Home edition 64bit, and it handles everything i need on a daily bases with ease, and even have the 32bit version running on my old ACER Aspire ZG5(a bit slow, but it actually made it a somewhat useful backup machine again) with only 1.5GB of RAM.

[@s8wc3]

He made no attempt to even try to troubleshoot. It was most likely just a case of a bad stick of RAM, spending 5 seconds to swap it out would have saved him the hour and a half to build a new system that's probably wasted anyway.

[@Catsrules1]

The way the system was acting it is very likely a hardware problem, so installing a different OS wouldn't have helped. Yes I have complete confidence Paul could repair the computer, but at what cost? The computer is only worth $50 at most. Is it really worth time and effort and risk of trying to source old working components to fix it? Even it you could get it repaired for under $50 how long are we really expecting a 10 year old computer to last? Honestly at 10 year old it is time to let the poor computer die. And just spend the extra $100-200 on a newer computer. And tell your work to buy you a new computer. Your on borrowed time on that computer it is going to die, and when it does your work will probably loose more money with you being unable to do your job then it would if they just bought you a new computer in the first place. There is a reason why a lot of businesses have an have an end of life policy on computers. Computers are cheep being unable to do business because of an outage is expensive.

[@GrandPrix46]

The "time and effort" you speak of is creating a video he gets PAID for when people watch, it's content. I could care less about him building a new PC as a replacement, just troubleshoot the old one so we know what the fuck was wrong with it first. That's all anybody is asking for, not for him to fix it and make the old man keep using it forever.

[@marklinton4567]

What does ANY of what you said have to do with the topic being discussed? Did you even watch the video yet? The PC belongs to his father-in-law who is clearly not a PC guy. The title of the video is "Attempting repairs on a 10-year old PC". I'm saying repairs weren't really attempted. The "worth your time" argument is pointless in this context as Paul is getting a return on time invested by people watching the video. Back to the father in law. Just up and changing everything and then throwing a whole new OS onto the system can be very jarring for non-pc guys. If he was using Outlook Express then his email client changed. If he used IE, he might not like edge etc etc.

[@ErnestJay88]

Ah, mid-2000's where "alienware lookalike" case dominate the market, i remember that i'm use one of those "alienware lookalike" cases.

[@Lodus_beatbox]

Pauls Father In-Law: Can you help me fix my computer , i'm having some issues with it. Paul: Sure no problem! (Builds him a new computer ) lol.

[@Mortendkkk]

realy build a new system. i whas hoping to see you find the problem.

[@SamoMalo2]

Ain't nobody got time for that

[@CommodoreFan64]

SamoMalo2 taking an air compressor, and cleaning out the system, then replacing the boot drive, and installing Linux Mint XFCE, or Cloudready OS would have taken less time then building another system, so seems he would of had time to troubleshoot this machine.

[@isblue8504]

There was no problem!! Windows 10 doesn't play nicely with most Nvidia chipset. The old PC is fine

[@JosephArata]

Windows 10 doesn't play nice with anything since the November 2017 feature update. It killed the drivers that were working for the BCM4360 Broadcom Wireless AC chipset, ePSXe won't load now, and Bluetooth connectivity is buggier than it's ever been before.

[@CommodoreFan64]

Batojiri1 I was sleceted to be part of the Windows 10 insider program, and get updates a bit faster than most, and while I can't speak for the Broadcom wireless drivers since my only Windows 10 machine is connected via gigabit ethernet, I can say I've had no major issues with Bluetooth beyond my Jlab Rewind headphones that I have to remove and go through the pairing process every few days, but it also does it on my Chromium OS work PC, and my Lenovo Chromebook, so who knows. Also never used ePSXe, but compatibility mode if you have not already tried that, and checking Broadcom's website for the latest drivers if you have not already done that far as the AC Wireless goes.

[@mannys4539]

Soooo... did he ask where did my dvd burners go? lol

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

Core 2 Duos hold up pretty well. Whenever I test older systems that have a core 2 duo on my KZbin channel, I tend to be pleasantly surprised.

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

McG Tech same for me

[@kn00tcn]

why shouldnt they hold up? there are brand new atoms & low power i3s now that sometimes perform worse than c2d, but c2d would waste a lot more power by comparison

[@sebastianmcgregor465]

kn00tcn A lot of people simply see core 2 duo and think "oh that's obsolete", due to it's age and the fact it is a weaker (and sometimes power hungry) dual core.

[@tristanburditt8317]

McG Tech your videos are good they deserve more traction

[@wherethetimewent8077]

Dude. For next time. 1 - If you're not sure about drives, just check the SMART data. PartedMagic is nice for this one since it doesn't matter if you can boot Windows or not. There are also many other helpful tools, love it. I'm pretty sure that the old hard drive has bad SMART data. I'd always check SMART data from PCs like this. 2 - If you can't boot a Windows 10 installer, try the following: - On old PCs, make sure that the USB installer is formatted with NTFS and that it's using MBR. - If a 'legacy' USB installer doesn't work, try to burn the ISO and boot from DVD - that often works. 3 - If you want to recover data from a drive, that probably has viruses on it, don't use Windows for it. Use PartedMagic or any other live Linux distro - I personally use Linux Mint for this (have it on a USB drive anyway, lovely distro). You never know what's on there, nor what could be on your notebook now.

[@warwagon]

Also memtest that memory, may have had a bad stick of ram.

[@alexthomas6602]

Thats neglectful he brought your wife into your life he deserves dual 1080ti in sli with a i9 7980xe and 128 GB of ram

[@vipervidsgamingplus5723]

alex thomas overkill for any program wouldn't be able to actually use it to any capacity that would be useful

[@alexthomas6602]

Viper vids gaming plus no the 128 GB ram is for 8 Chrome tabs at once dual 1080 ti for KZbin and any other countries would bottleneck the dual gpus

[@alexthomas6602]

Marco The Noob dual xeons

[@alexthomas6602]

Marco The Noob but then the dual 1080ti's would be the bottleneck

[@alexthomas6602]

Transistor Jump i thought only 3&4 way slightly was broken

[@nooneyouknow8359]

didnt try a new drive? you said the old ssd probably the problem and??? tried installing windows on it and it didnt work.... sooooo,,, whole new system instead..

[@teknowdj7777]

Yea i was thinking, you could connect a ssd with windows already on it as test os. That way you could check all the other hardware without wiping the original drive.

[@kn00tcn]

windows installer froze before writing anything to the ssd, that's either a known nforce/radeon issue, or something physical is failing once being accessed

[@jimmyjimjimdoctor]

That orange case is what I've being looking for. Man those were the days when everything was made with beauty in mind.

[@no-yj2cf]

I miss the late 90's cases that had the blue translucent sides

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

The Heartfelt Kid I have a system with a blue cathode fan and a flower shaped side panel window that my grandpa custom made.

[@no-yj2cf]

EvilTurkeySlices dope!

[@maxmustermann1455]

Never seen such cases. My case for most the 90ies was a beige box. In the later 90ies it got fancier, with basically the same box, but in black. Then had to paint all my external drives because black CD Rom drives weren't really a thing yet. They did except, but wasn't able to find any at the local stores. I actually miss the times. Going to the stores every week and getting those sheets with the daily stock/prices from each store, comparing and deciding whether it was a good time to buy something right now or not.

[@Jerome-iwnl]

You could have salvaged the cooler. Im pretty sure you'll have the mounting hardware for it lying around. The intel stock cooler is just annoyingly noisy, especially in the philippines, regardless of the cpu

[@KiraSlith]

Alright, come on Paul, Kyle, both of you. stop with the titles that are just outright lies. Neither of you repaired anything, you replaced the components that make up the actual computing part of a computer and called it a day.

[@WolvenSpectre]

To be fair, for ages now that has been how you fix a computer. What it basically breaks down to is: 1)"Troubleshoot the Idiot": a hyperbolic joking way of saying "asses the skill and knowledge of the user and see if possibly they are the failure point" 2)Troubleshoot the Trouble: Is it a common easily recongnizable issue that you have seen before and know how to fix easily, then fix it. If not keep going down the list. 3)Back up the data 4)Rebuild the OS and Software. If that didn't work keep going. 5)Process of Elimination: Figure out what in the system still works. Try some quick solutions to the problems and if they don't work replace the parts. If time is an issue just replace the computer or as much of it as is possible without screwing over the user. So allot of the time us technicians call replacing the computer repairing it unless you just sell them a whole brand new system and don't salvage anything.

[@nixuv]

Yeah im sure that is the right he way to go. Im not about how repair the right effective way. More about making more challenging and interesting video. Just replacing almost all parts, is more about being advert for pc industry. Yes im not tehch... and yes my second or even 3rd language is not English

[@Catsrules1]

To be far the title did say Attempting to repair. Also I agree with Paul on this when you have a computer that old, it is not worth repairing anymore. That computer was maybe worth $30-50 total, The way it acting getting stuck on the windows screen, it is very very very likely it was a hardware problem. Your going to be spending very close to to what the computer was worth on replacement parts. Not to mention your time and effort trying to figure out what part is causing the problem. The computer was basically totaled. Your better off just buying another old computer for $50 and Frankensteining it together. But again your on borrowed time using computers that old, not to mention having to use old and slow hardware. Honestly I searched ebay for used computer, first item that that came up was an HP workstation for $225 i5-4570 16GB of ram and a 256GB SSD. That is a computer that will be a far far far superior experience then a Core 2 Duo.

[@nixuv]

YES i agree all of it. But what i don t get, why don t do more more interesting video about trying get it running. Im about the content not about the PC itself.

[@Catsrules1]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a video about that later. This video was more about getting a working computer to his father in law.

[@DatamanTheGreat]

I built my new PC in a black NZXT Apollo like this one. I've had it since 2009 when it was a hand-me-down from my brother-in-law. It's a quality steel case that I haven't had any problems with. I haven't seen one in the wild, so this video made me smile a little.

[@Xsuprio]

6:32 Cthulhu emerges from its lair!

[@DCOneFourSeven]

Send the old system to Tech Yes City, to see if he can revive it!

[@user-wi3vn6zm0i]

true i was imagining about tech yes city cleaning this pc the entire vid

[@conyo985]

I'd rather go with PhilsComputerLab. Phil does retro PC parts way better and does real troubleshooting.

[@tfkoincognito]

I'd like the ram.. You know how hard it is to find 8gbs in 2 sticks for ddr2? And the price if you do find it

[@kn00tcn]

tfkoincognito, i was expecting 8gb to be incorrect, & it is when you see the bios, it's only 2x2gb sticks, 4gb sticks are indeed rare (or at least the higher speed ones are)

[@adent6x7]

all that porn and viruses... seen it plenty of times

[@markmccoll657]

I've seen many a good PC's fall to those blasted porn viruses.

[@CommodoreFan64]

This is why I'm saying he needs to move his father in law away from Windows, and onto something like LinuxMint XFCE, Ubuntu, or CloudReady(open source Chrome OS), as it seems beyond the light video editing which has replacement programs in all of those OS's, he's not someone who really needs windows.

[@FreddyBoyBoy]

Was looking forward for a troubleshooting/repair video not another pc build. Oh well still love your videos, keep up the good work.

[@Natewu188]

HERE IN MY GARAGE...

[@EliaForce1984ita]

...HOLDIN' MY WINDOWS 98 SECOND EDITION BOX

[@JimmyDali]

6:14 'Let's give my father-in-law the incentive to get back into video editing.' (no discreet gpu for the father-in-law.) LOL

[@cee128d]

He also stated his father in law used Movie Maker which doesn't utilize gpu acceleration. While Windows 10 won't be using Movie Maker I seriously doubt that he, his wife, or his f-i-l is going to shell out for a video editing suite that does so why would he need a discreet gpu?

[@jacobematt6222]

The vast majority of editing programs don't use the GPU at all

[@JimmyDali]

Premiere and Vegas utilize gpu acceleration

[@cee128d]

Jimmy Dali and what makes you think they would shell out for the exorbitant cost of Premiere Pro for someone who doesn't edit movies that much? Premiere Express, which is more in line with what he would be doing doesn't support GPU acceleration. Movie Maker would be a possibility though. But if you noticed he said "the vast majority" which is accurate.

[@JimmyDali]

Movie Maker is not a thing on Windows 10

[@EcoAcid]

CPU cooler was a hell of a downgrade

[@conyo985]

He didn't even salvage the cooler.

[@h1tzzYT]

just noticed that too when you mentioned, hmm not enough room for it? i doubt it though idk.

[@biniu3206]

He would need a 115x mounting kit

[@kn00tcn]

the new i3-6100 cpu is likely with a third or half the power draw, the old cooler was too much (i even ran an overclocked q9550 with a hyper212 while its fan was dead)

[@neuroflare]

Man, I hope Steve's paying you in more than just modmats for all the free advertising he gets here ;-) Keep up the great work Paul!

[@sammymorini9748]

My 10yr old PC still holding strong. Original parts - i7 920 @ 3.8GHz (overclocked from the get go) - ASUS Rampage II Extreme (latest bios) - Corsair 12GB 16000MHz DDR3 - 240GB OCZ RevoDrive PCIe SSD (yes, the first gen) - Thermaltake Toughpower 850W - Cooler Master V10 CPU cooler Upgrades down the line: - Asus Matrix HD5870 Platinum 2GB - Sata Hard drives/SSDs

[@MatthewBlackwell1015]

So what about those optical drives? Is he no longer using them (as like an HTPC) or did you end up removing functionality from his rig?

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

That is my problem when looking for a new case. I use my optical drive still fairly often, also got a cardreader and 3 hard drives in the system. Try finding a case that can fit that stuff, a 11'' GPU and a big cooler while still providing decent airflow.

[@marcox4358]

better try searching for cases from older generations, like 2015, since mayority of those cases still have room for optical drives and stuff, I just hate this new trend of all fans,and no optical/SD card reader drives!

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I want both, good airflow with decent fan placement *and* space to actually store stuff. There is much room between the PSU and the front cover, enough for a bunch of disks. And the topmost part of the front is too high for good airflow anyway. In-between could fit a long card. One of the cases on my shortlist is the Define R5, got the right combination of both.

[@callitagain]

Can't believe you left that 250gb hdd there. It's old and just about to fail. Why wouldn't you replace it? Or completey leave it out now that your ssd is larger.

[@MrSamadolfo]

omar38317 😒 rite, at least get him a good used 500gb

[@kn00tcn]

therandombot, it's a seasonic that barely saw much load, , i've had a similar one for a decade at one point, probably have more hours than his since mine in its early years was 24/7

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The drive still got all the data. Copying that over would mean atleast a 512 GB SSD for the new system. And that way his fater-in-law can copy stuff over by himself. On the other hand I would never build a system that runs with a single drive. Always keep the system and the files seperated. In case of a crash of corruption you can atleast salvage your data.

[@thetechguyz8645]

omar38317 no kidding

[@thetechguyz8645]

kn00tcn really... Your going to risk a nightmare troubleshoot over $40 PSU

[@noahmcelwey2598]

Im so glad he didn't do like other tech you tubers "light use PC's" used to watch youtube, where they will put a 1080ti an I7 8700k and 128gb of ram. He kept it simple for what is needed.

[@sageosaka]

The music in your videos is always so soothing it makes me feel so relaxed

[@MrHXCPancake]

Just replace the boot drive. Wish I was rich enough to just completely replace everything

[@CommodoreFan64]

Damn right, and install an OS on the system that's not Windows, as it sounds like his Father in law would be better without it. he could have downloaded Neverware's Cloudready Home edition 64bit(open source Chrome OS) for free, and with each update of Chromium/Chrome OS it's getting better, and better.

[@alextrotta796]

Send the old parts to RandomGamingInHD!

[@conyo985]

PhilsComputerLab, OzTalksHW, Tech by Matt or TechYesCity! Content creators that love retro hardware and try their hardest to make it work.

[@jenn011754]

Great video. I am still rocking my Gateway 4300 from 2009. I am almost at the point of doing a build, but I am working on being retired and for some reason, still have no time for much of anything. Keep up the great vids.

[@THEFIRE360]

"Here in my garage..."

[@justinwilkinson1966]

The cringe of putting a stock intel cooler on a Strix motherboard lol

[@conyo985]

The motherboard was overkill. Do you think the father-in-law would love the RGB motherboard?

[@Stjaernljus]

stuff a q6600 in the old computer and it should run nicely.

[@mathewoliver2566]

SandyStarchild up until about a month ago I was rocking a q9600 greatest socket ever.

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

Mathew Oliver I love 775

[@bryfunkenstein]

CPU: E5450 3.0 ghz (ive got it to 3.5 stable but my power supply isnt really built for that. its at 3.1) its a 771 xeon conversion Motherboard: Asus P5G41T-M LX Plus Memory: 8 gigs DDR3 GPU: Zotac GTX 1050Ti

[@MrSamadolfo]

SandyStarchild 😍 im working on a Q6700 rite now yay! 💻🕹😍🚩

[@kn00tcn]

n....no... wtf? Q9550 can easily overclock towards 4ghz, Q6600 cant, why wouldnt you use the latest fastest most efficient available cpu on a given socket?

[@Drinnan]

I'm glad we don't have drive bays down the front these days. That was the number 1 cause for not being able to cable management. As much as I tried my Antec 900 still looked like shit to me inside, it's only saving grace was that it was the best case I ever owned for airflow since the whole front panel was dual fans

[@Kris451]

There is so much to be done to get it back up and running. It may be LGA 775 but there is still some life to be had in that system. First thing I would do to troubleshoot a Windows install is to make sure the USB stick is using a legacy type format only just to be sure that the UEFI format isn't causing any problems. If there is no hope in a USB install working, there is always a good chance that an optical install could work, like DVD or Blu-Ray. It has sure saved my ass many times in the past dealing with LGA 775 systems not installing Windows of any kind on USB. Second, I would take off the 212 and replace the dual core with around a i2 Q6600 or a quad core around those lines, it's only around a $10-$15 upgrade that sure makes a difference, and replace the thermal paste while you are at it. Third thing I would do is give it a new SSD or Hard Drive, if there is a hard drive or SSD over 4 or 5 years old in the system, I replace it no matter what. I've always had bad luck with older drives. The last thing I would do is really just give everything the best clean you can give it. There are some cases where I have motherboard that had usb ports that were really flakey and once I gave them and the motherboard a good clean, I worked the second time no problem. If I was there working on that system, I would dedicate about a day or so exhausting all my options to get it to work. These 775 systems may be old, but they are still great systems on a budget or just as a spare PC.

[@caffeinatedlinux]

I had to scroll down pretty far to find your comment suggesting that it was probably the USB stick being UEFI rather than legacy. This is exactly what I ran into installing Windows 10 on a younger sibling's machine about a month ago.

[@mr.magicman8001]

Still running a 775. Good hardware

[@chrish931]

He isn't gonna do an optical install, he put out a video literally telling people to buy windows keys from a third party key dealer web page I will not repeat the name of, so is its not a sketchy budget 20 dollar windows key, he isn't gonna use it.

[@itsdeonlol]

OMG I used to have this case! The NZXT Apollo was great! It looked like a Alienware case back in the day!

[@Llova1]

Deon Spates I thought it WAS an Alienware at first! I’ve been looking for one in green, now I know the Apollo will do!

[@carlosrios7088]

good "repair".....

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

The ssd was the problem, replace that and it should work fine, if not - put windows 7 back on it as I'm sure he would like that a ton more than win10 at this later point in his life. A good pc should never have to be scrapped purely for obsolescence if it carries out it's purpose well.

[@---rm2gw]

A couple of years ago I would have agreed with you, but since they are discontinuing support of the now ancient operating system, it is clear that windows 10 was the correct choice for Paul to make.

[@steve00alt70]

you dont install a different version of an operating system before asking the owners permission.

[@zetacon4]

I knew you were the real deal after watching your assessment of the old system. Great choice for the new system. I have that same case - love it. Great choice for MB. You did exactly what I would have done.

[@AyyItzRob]

I think my PC is almost 11 years old. Only upgraded the Storage, GPU, and RAM. Yet I still use it daily for light gaming like Fortnite (35-40FPS Low Settings), GTA (30FPS Low Settings), etc. Can't run newer games like PUBG and COD WW2.

[@BrutalOwls]

Rob Coleman I'd say it's time for a new build if you got the money

[@eshan309]

My old pc would have turned 10 this 3rd of august, but sadly it died a month ago. I had upgraded my gpu, storage too. The specs were Core2Duo E8400 3GHz Intel DG35EC mobo 4GB DDR2 RAM msi R5770 (upgraded from 8600GT in 2009-10 because my cheap psu blew it up) 1TB WD Green (350GB Seagate Barracuda died in around 2013) Corsair VX450 (originally had a cheap psu that came with my cheap case) I feel bad and very emotional about my old rig. It gave me so much to enjoy

[@BryanPacker420]

Your about at the end of the time where not upgrading the CPU is still a option. I was aiming to do that with my rig, but pulled the pci slot out when the graphics card wedged itself somehow on removal (that was a new and terrible fail). At least I now have an 8700k as my base to do that with for the next half decade to a decade.

[@rusu160]

I remember when i had i e8600 and a hd4350... good times

[@JoshuaRegan]

awsome man just bought an 8400 and 16gbs of rame not planning on upgrading anytime soon

[@playstoreaccount9692]

Come on man .. just try to find what's the problem. Install Windows 7

[@redwingblackbird8306]

When my grandpa was still around, when I got his computer going, I made an image file of the whole setup on day 1, on a separate drive. A few months later he'd call to say his computer is all messed up. I'd had gotten tired of trying to chase the Hydra programs. He would pick up things that had programs watching for other programs quitting or being shut down, to make sure they would be restarted, etc. So rather than try and fight and figure out what he had picked up, I'd back up any new data he had made, and do a restore with Acronis True image. Half hour later, he was ready for more porn viewing, writing down his thoughts, etc. 30 minutes instead of 8+hours. Sometimes you just have to restart fresh, and new.

[@davidtheawesomeone5358]

it is actually quite easy to run win 10 on older motherboard. These older boards require MBR disks to install, and to boot to a disk, and newer versions of windows use only GBT style disks. so that means that it won’t run, so you get a version of windows from 15000 or below and your set. then use iso to usb and select “bootable disk” and run it. after that you go into the bios and make sure under “usb” that it is enabled and set to bootable, your set. go into the select boot drive and select the drive, and you should be set.

[@AJ-mw4nb]

Ohhhhhhhh... so you were working for Newegg once upon a time huh. That explains the - "EGGcellent" that you do at the start of each one of your videos!! LOL

[@WayStedYou]

thats from bill and ted movie lol.

[@Searinex]

I always run a surface test on the HDD/SSD and MemTest before even trying to load into windows. An easy way to find out if it's a failing hardware in a "will not turn on" computer. Next, if the hardware test pass, I run an anti-virus scan from a different drive (mainly windows PE on a USB from Sergei Strelec) to find out if there is a virus/bloatware preventing windows from starting, and also check the battery status if it's a laptop. If that passes then I try to load into windows on the main drive and check for bloatware again, corrupted user account, multiple anti-virus programs (you only need 1 not 7), check to startup with autoruns for anything programs that are timing out when the Windows is loading. There are some other little things I do, but this should take about 4-5 hours in an 8GB DDR3, 1TB HDD computer and 90% of that time you're waiting on the hard drive tests to finish if you test the RAM in another computer, 7~ hours if you don't use another computer. I use these steps with about 12~ computers per day at work.

[@BandanazX]

You're the only one so far to mention anything approaching troubleshooting. Good for you. But Paul really blew it in this video. A missed opportunity to show how to actually fix something instead of dipping into one's hoard of electronics to piece together a pretty weak system. Sad.

[@mrlodwick]

Love the Jazz bro - mellow and cool like your content. Thank you Tim Uk.

[@Nochtic]

I would love that case. That copper tone is awesome!

[@dam1041960]

And keeps you safe from the sun too! - LOL! I like that case its some what like a alienware case....

[@TheAlfaproyect]

The problem with that computer is Windows 10. Windows 7 surely works well

[@MrSamadolfo]

😒 rite hes such a moron forcing papa to use Spy10

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Maybe even 8/8.1, they will get longer support than 7 (as in more than 2 years of extended support) and are still "private" Also especially 8 will run on much older hardware than 10.

[@josephmondragon7670]

Compare thermals for the NZXT case with a similarly priced modern case.

[@phil2470]

Paul I ran into a similar issue with my son's (hand me down) Asus P5Q Pro motherboard. His machine would just randomly shut off with no warning so I figured it was possibly processor heat, a power delivery issue or the RAM was bad. No new parts had been added to cause a hardware issue. I was able to salvage mine by changing out a few parts. I replaced the power supply and the RAM and I reapplied the thermal paste on the air cooler. I also pulled the motherboard battery temporarily to reset the BIOS and then I went into the bios and made sure it was set to default settings. I don't know which part made it work again because I did this all at one time but I am still using it two years later as a camera server with Windows 10 Pro and I have our backup drive attached to it also. If you want to send it my way, I will see if I can get it going. I have spare RAM, a power supply and plenty of old HDDs I could use to attempt to resurrect it.

[@brandishwar]

With the power supply, you're definitely showing why I also say to not scrimp on the power supply. I've never understood those who recommend lesser-reputable power supplies to people trying to build a system on a lesser budget. The power supply is, arguably, the most important component in a system, along with the power cables.

[@equinstarbeat]

Could you make a sleeper build out of the old case?

[@broz666]

Yeah. Asrock X399M µATX Mobo, 1900x TR CPU and Zotac 1080ti mini (Backplate remove for "good" looks)....

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

A sleeper with ricer externals 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@robertrhoads6248]

My favorite thing about this channel is your ability to show restraint. Most other techtubers would have gone overboard, not Paul. Adequate practicality.

[@robert4you]

_"Let's repair a 10-year-old PC"_ by building a totally new one... That's not a _repair,_ that's an *upgrade,* a totally new system. I really enjoyed the video though.

[@Unogamingchannel]

I had that same case, I miss my old builds, either given away to family or sold online. I've been looking at older cases to try do an updated "retro" style build in the near future.

[@IND4GR0V3]

i have the same case somewhere in storage

[@flatsun2132]

Probably would have done a quad-core that way it most likely last another 10 years I mean for simple video editing and watching some cat video's quad core 8 gig ram is plenty

[@KiraSlith]

Kekkus Vult Yeah Q6600s are cheap and excellent for the day to day tasks the old man used it for. why make more e-waste?

[@CommodoreFan64]

I rebuilt my old Gaming machine which is an AMD Athlon II X3 435 CPU with 8GB of DDR2 RAM, a 450 Watt PSU, a cheap 2GB AMD R7 240 GPU, a spare 250GB Segate HDD I had in the parts bin, and a $20 Apex Supercase I had from my old HTPC build that gave up the ghost, and I put Neverware's Cloudready Home Edtion 64bit(free opensource Chromium OS)on it as the OS, and running dual monitors it's my main computer at my work(using it now), and it powers through office work with Google docs, watching videos, and downloading files from torrents like a champ, and most of the time I'm barely even using 1/2 the system resources. I'm honestly sick of KZbinrs defaulting to lets just build a new system, and throw Windows 10 on it, when the end user they are doing the system for does not even need it, and they could avoid a lot of their problems by moving the user away from Windows altogether.

[@0SonGoku]

How to repair an old pc. First step back up your data. Second step replace the pc. 😂😂

[@tomodonnell3526]

I love seeing the GN modmat in other tech channels. The tech youtube community is so close, it's great.

[@iFkNxLegend]

I really want to mod that case now. I'm thinking 1930 style radio with a few futuristic touches

[@franco7064]

thats a good idea i can picture it in my head perfectly

[@gaiustrollius9920]

So what was the problem with the old system?

[@insertnamehere34944]

No one knows since Paul went "screw it" without even trying and built a new PC, sucks I know

[@nitroexpress2438]

you didn't repair the computer, you updated it.

[@pa58740]

Saddens me to see a repair that turns out to be a new build. I just refreshed my old [and first] computer, a Lenovo k300, from a 775 socket e8400 core two to now a nice matx msi board with an I5 and 16 gb ram and 500 gb Samsung ssd along with a 1060 6gb evga gpu and it is sweet. Not a gaming rig, but just a solid workhorse. Still looks like the day I bought it. I will never be sorry

[@daniel_75820]

Your awesome Paul and I love your videos!

[@paulshardware]

Thank you!!

[@linchester8464]

that IMO is a poor attempt to troubleshoot the boot up issue i wonder if he even tried Safe mode to try to see if any conflicting software issues prob a corrupted registry or boot up files stopping it from booting, virus prob ate up the system files too. that can be easily done with CMD and recopy the boot up files from the Windows disc. also like many mentioned it might also be the faulty SSD or SSD cable or SATA port I encounter the same issue with my SATA controller on my mobo and because it was a old unit. I just have to junk it SSD and SATA cable will be easy to replace.

[@dedsi8848]

I hope you thrashed just the motherboard and not the whole PC lol

[@linchester8464]

@@dedsi8848 i have to replace the CPU, Mobo RAM. But retained the SSD and other parts like PSU. It was a Q6600 system which i have since upgraded to the Ryzen 3 2200G APU. The PC is the living room HTPC

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Just once I would like one of these guys "save" an older system, Paul wasn't serious about saving that system, he didn't even bother cleaning it.

[@soad11dude]

I always try unplugging all the drives and use a Linux USB to boot Xubuntu or Mint. That way I know if it's a windows or drive problem. I also would have blasted that thing with the air compressor, the dust was pretty crazy but probably average for a 10 yr old computer. I might have tried to kick it old school and boot off a CD as well if the USB gave me issues. Refurbishing old tech and keeping it alive/out of a landfill makes me happier than it really should.

[@Celician83]

He's gonna hate Windows 10, especially the lack of Movie Maker. You will more than likely have to spend some time getting him used to a different video editor

[@RVail623]

"How to install Microsoft Windows Essentials tools -- including Movie Maker -- on Windows 10" betanews.com/2018/07/16/microsoft-windows-essentials-windows-10/

[@Celician83]

R. Vail hmm, did not realize windows essentials brought back movie make

[@JeffDeWitt]

They didn't, but Movie Maker can still be found and runs just fine on Windows 10.

[@dalilbaby4238]

I can confirm that.

[@feeterican]

I know this sounds silly (even though I'm not making any sounds lol) but I would have tried using a CD ROM Windows Disk since that platform is of the time of CD ROM and might be more compatible. Weird querkie stuff happens all the time.

[@cseversin]

I've done that quite a few times with older systems. Could have changed the SATA controller mode to see what happens, too.

[@costastud]

If anyone noticed, there's a sticker on the case that says "My SSD is faster than your HDD" lol

[@zygi22]

The power supply has lasted 10 years and it still keeps working just fine, from what I can tell. It speaks volumes of a quality psu.

[@CiscoLeher]

You didn't troubleshoot a thing, my core 2 duo with similar board and RAM always do this with win 10. If you tried to install win 7 you would have really fixed the system

[@Robinx1985]

You should buy a usb Optical Drive for your father in law.

[@KitelessRex]

LOOOOOVE the Core V1. I know it doesn't need it but I personally would have installed a couple quiet 80mm's in the rear for exhaust. Another great video as always!

[@SerpentXTech]

I like to always like to connect a possibly infected hard drive to an sacrificial computer not connected to the network. In case whatever is on there doesn't infect my main system or able to jump over the network to another system. Though probably not needed in your case Paul, it is a good practice to prevent further infection

[@jak1up10]

pc broke, get a new one lol

[@gernblanston4956]

Paul repairs computers just like Geek Squad, they sell you a new one, pathetic!!

[@joeleder]

Attempting repairs on a 10 year old system equals build a new one. If only it were that easy lol.

[@gr1mington952]

So funny, I just did the same thing last week with my buddys old gaming PC! Started originally with him wanting to buy my 1070, ended up building him a whole new budget system. Ryzen 3 1300X - $100 B350M - * GTX 1070 - $300* 8GB DDR4 3000 - $75 Hyper 212 - * Cheapo $50 Amazon cube case - * 128GB SSD - * (*Bundled together from my old parts) All-in, he's under $500 invested and that thing is a beast for the price!

[@gr1mington952]

His name is also Paul.. lol

[@Stratos1988]

"Attempting " word, doesn't make this video satisfactory... part 2, tech yes city style needed

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

lenon1980 failing is more accurate.(and not because it’s unfixable, he didn’t even attempt to fix it. He stopped at the first roadblock)

[@DoctorX17]

I personally would have replaced the HDD as well -- after 10 years, even a great one like that WD is probably getting close to death. I do have some ancient 20GB WD HDDs that still work, but I wouldn't trust them as primary storage anymore -- gotta keep important stuff on newer drives to reduce likelihood of failure. You should put a new system in the Apollo case! Maybe paint the interior and make it all flashy

[@rohitiyer3075]

I have a 32 gb pen drive 😂😂 How times have changed

[@JNeotheDon]

Grandpa was working the hell out that p.c.

[@truxttondogyuun]

Very satisfying seeing you apply thermal paste on that Core i3, love seeing people put fair amount of paste.