Attention Spoiled Developers

[@PakRoc-dev]

Stop having personality. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A COG IN THE MACHINE!

[@AmonAsgaroth]

Right? And the same people that hate "those pesky creatives" have the nerve to yap how being passionate about your job is important.

[@stefanalecu9532]

You're not revolutionizing the world with 10MB of JS on your shitty personal page, Tom

[@ThePacmandevil]

web devs are basically the buzz lightyear store collection

[@CyberDork34]

Stop being good at your job and proud of it. Having self esteem and legitimate accomplishments in your career is cringe!! Stop striving to understand complex systems and problems

[@Haise-san]

​@@CyberDork34Aye

[@YaroslavFedevych]

I’m left not understanding how the fact that Go is a nice language is related to developers being spoiled and shit. The article author got drunk from the cornucopia of fancy words too much, trying to sound like a sophisticated art reviewer, and forgot what the title was.

[@adlex1212]

The author got high sniffing his own farts.

[@yaksher]

Yeah, like... complaining about people being "spoiled" (with the only evidence of such being "wanting languages to make common patterns elegant") while being a pretentious twat and making 0 defense of Go except to say that the people who made it also made some very good stuff is... sure an article.

[@JP-hr3xq]

He writes like a woman with a BA degree: waffles on endlessly, trying to sound smart, but not actually contributing anything meaningful.

[@YaroslavFedevych]

@@adlex1212 hypoxia is very dangerous for the brain

[@Berevezje]

Either it's AI-written, or the author managed to say precisely nothing in 500 words or more

[@pixels_per_minute]

I'd imagine most artists are machine written now.

[@keyboard_g]

It sounds very Ai to me.

[@weakspirit_]

i hate this article so much. it tries so hard to convince us that programmers are artists... or "creatives" i guess. it tries to compare programming languages to art movements. it tries to convince us that old languages are some sort of traditional artistic expression. it tries to convince us that the creation of go is some sort of a movie scene (this is just rambling tbh... why is the author even talking about this??). it tries to convince us... whatever it is about "AI scientists with unseemly reckonings" and "Serenity" of the Go team's... FAQ? the author complained about performance... in interpreted languages. became amazed when he started to use go. originally used python, the famously performant language. in summary, i think the author just wanted to write something about go but got lost somewhere in their own... whatever this is. the title is meaningless, it's about how he hates themself for being spoilt with modern tech - yet enthralled with golang (to him, a neoclassical take on programming... by calling it the 21st century C... yeah...). he found closure and peace with go. Sheon Han is the author. I hope i never see another article from him.

[@weakspirit_]

also what i just described is most of the article. you are not missing much by leaving the original article untouched. prime stopped abruptly near the end.

[@JarickWorks]

If human, a social science university graduate. If AI, trained on social science papers.

[@mjsagxy]

Touch screens in cars should be illegal. It is an ergonomic design disaster. In a car - everything should be built to make it easy to keep you eyes up and on the road. Tactile affordances do the trick. Touch screens encourage bad driving by forcing you to look at the screen. One day we will wise up and use the right technology with the right context.

[@upobir]

Agree with all except the last line, you put too much faith on us

[@jerrygreenest]

@@upobirthat’s not prediction, that’s being hopeful. You can’t say a person is wrong at being hopeful, can you? He wants to hope. I want too

[@ColinFox]

There's no problem with touchscreens in cars, obviously. There are MILLIONS of cars on the road with them, and we don't see a rash of accidents because of distracted drivers using them. Grow up.

[@italktocomputers1901]

@@ColinFoxThey are extremely annoying. My 08 is easier to manage without looking vs my 2021.

[@be12]

​@@ColinFox Nice straw man, child. Man-child?

[@TheArmyofWin]

Annus Mirabilis commonly refers to 1905, the year where Einstein wrote 4 ground breaking papers that proved molecules exist (Brownian motion), electrons exist in specific non-continuous energy states (Photoelectric effect, a foundational paper for Quantum Mechanics), and two papers laying down Special Relativity (one of which being E=mc^2). I know I’m biased, but it’s hard for me to imagine anyone shaking a field to its core so thoroughly to be compared to Einstein’s Annus Mirabilis.

[@mattymattffs]

If anything, I would argue for computing the year would have to be the release of C. It was a large leap and without it none of those 1995 languages would exist

[@sealsharp]

Imagine comparing that to the invention of Javascript...

[@DanielCouper-vf5zh]

It just means "wonderful year" though (vs annus horribilis"). It's not unreasonable to say "{some year} was an annus mirabilis for {thing}", it's slightly pretentious but it's also quite poetic. Doesn't have to be shaking some field to the core: Portugal winning the Euros + winning Eurovision + having the pope visit was described as that

[@az8560]

This video contains so much useful information that I almost got null reference exception from watching it

[@keyser456]

WIRED? More like WEIRD.

[@luizgfranca]

"in rust sometimes there's collateral damage in the change you make" - i think unintentionally this describes a big part of the problem in the Rust in the kernel controversy. Kernel developers like smal contained changes, but developing in rust you value the correctness of the type system more. Even as someone who likes Rust, this is an interesting dilenma.

[@RustIsWinning]

Kernel dinosaurs need to retire case closed ♿️

[@RakshithBegane]

​@@RustIsWinningas much as I like rust, this comment is what makes people hate the rust community. My respect goes to the kernel devs

[@thesenamesaretaken]

Hence the saying "rewrite it in Rust".

[@thetechfella1]

The idea shared about Go being made by people that had nothing left to prove was an esoteric agreement to your sentiment. Many languages are created because people want to be in that group. They want to prove themselves. When you created some of the most fundamental elements of programming already, you have nothing left to prove. So odds are if you're putting in the time to make something, there's 1 a genuine need and 2 the skills to fill that need inside the dev team.

[@bonsairobo]

It's crazy that the Social Network can be considered "inspirational". I saw it as a condemnation of that entire industry.

[@MrDaAsif]

Certainly wouldn't be the first time people have been satirized and viewed it as aspirational

[@sprobertson]

@@MrDaAsif American Psycho, anyone?

[@nathanl6598]

An ex reached out to me to say she saw social network and wanted to know if all startup founders are assholes.

[@jimmahgee]

Prime just taking google results AI summaries at face value 👀

[@oliverfern8039]

The Wikipedia source was right next to it at least.

[@bobbycrosby9765]

I call Go the Java of the new century. It's a great reset of complexity and a return to simplicity.

[@iNuchalHead]

Prime ranting about touchscreens warms the cockles of my heart.

[@shady4tv]

Go is a systems language. The thing people get confused about is where the "system" is. The system isn't just Linux or the Shell... the system is what you run your apps on. Containerized platforms such as Docker, Podman and of course Kubernetes are all written in Go.

[@Snbd26th]

This article is PRETENTIOUS

[@securityinteractive]

I was at University in 94-97, it was crazy. We had Gopher in 94, Javascript in 95 and I submitted my Computer Science Project using VRML and Javascript in 1997. It felt like the future was around the corner. Still waiting.

[@beofonemind]

One day, my whole life will come down to whether I know the meaning of one of these big words / phrases ..... and I will remember this episode, and get the answer right. Thanks.

[@KoopstaKlicca]

Tbh I believe that software devs are one of the most hated professions. Too many of them reinvent basic human stuff in their cs vocabulary and there's a reason why soft skills improvement need to be explicitly mentioned to them. They also want to pretend that they're not compensated well enough for their "hard work" when they're one of the highest paying fields in the United States and probably have one of the most flexible working conditions possibly (like some who DEMAND that everything should be wfh). And then on top of that, people interact with software everyday and a lot of it is bad. This isn't really their fault, because there are obviously other factors at play, but at the end of the day, it's just not a likeable group of people. There are good individuals, but the culture of the field is detestable and whiny

[@gglegenday]

Definitely a classic skill issue article for the books

[@framebuffers]

When you have to turn out an essay with a minimum word count and you just use gippity to spice it up with _elocuent verbage._

[@kenneth_romero]

actually ken thompson didn't develop C, but was one of the few people who was able to use it when it was being developed by Dennis Ritchie. Unix was made before C. Unix was just used as a test to see if C was made well enough to do OS work with and also be portable. There's a good interview with Ken Thompson and Brian Kernighan where he goes a bit more into details about this.

[@ArturdeSousaRocha]

17:30 Give me fuel, give me fire, give me buttons I desire!

[@Kane0123]

Give me knobs 😮

[@ArturdeSousaRocha]

@@Kane0123 I would but they didn't fit in the verse. 😆

[@k0ns0l]

xD xD xD

[@TOXIClck]

I feel like such a proud son watching my father improve his reading skills! They grow so fast!

[@nandoflorestan]

Yes it is annoying to see him read everything wrong, but he has dislexia, this fact sort of gives you more patience. I wonder if it would be much better if he read everything slowly. But the guy reads everything as if his son's life (your life) depended on it.

[@GackFinder]

16:40 "Imagine a word processor that does not allow you to save unless your essay is free of grammatical errors". Oh you mean like Azure Logic Apps?

[@mr6r4y]

That movie made me extract two crucial prerequisites in order to become a tech billionaire: 1. You have to go to Harvard (not graduating but be there at least 6 months); 2. You have to be a natural born asshole;

[@Asrtyulg]

Its so funny that a guy railing against author and artists of code happens to write the most authory and artistic article. It's full of flowery language and self indulgent metaphors

[@SomeInternetSpider]

This guy is responsible for ruining my humor, making me laugh to Deez Nuts jokes

[@deanvangreunen6457]

This article gave me cancer 😢

[@code.sculptor]

Totally agree with you on car touchscreens.

[@rawpointer]

I rest myself when annus mirabilis was clarified.... I thought it was a so much sordid thing ...

[@goaserer]

"sometimes... you've got to touch everything!"

[@lostsauce0]

ODIN for Advent of Code!

[@xlerb2286]

We also didn't have much knowledge about how to write compilers or how to structure a language to be easy to compile when FORTRAN was first developed. We learned a lot from the mistakes made with FORTRAN. As for me, anytime someone starts pushing a language and says it's the best thing since sliced bread I just go and get a coffee. All sorts of languages, all sorts of advantages/disadvantages. Just pick one that's a decent fit for what you're doing and shut up about it. Edit: changed "descent" to "decent"

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

a gradient descent fit

[@nandoflorestan]

Please, guys, look up the difference between decent and descent.

[@xlerb2286]

@@nandoflorestan Sorry, that was a typo.

[@thefudge545]

the para where it tries to correlates the sense of completeness of a programming language with the senses of serenity and end of someones artistic journey is so beautiful yet so perverted

[@ufffd]

really enjoying this while i write javascript and sip my latte, i sure hope he doesn’t say anything about me towards the end

[@yet_another_communist]

To be honest I found it good that Rust makes you rethink about your code that you made before, you can go back, finetune, change some things that weren't exactly great or were temporary that then became as the default but still needed changing or things like that. I like to rethink about my code even if that costs some refactoring or even major refactoring if needed. It doesn't really bother me, but I understand why some developers wouldn't like it because of that.

[@chloe4587]

Software engineer complains about the words used in his native language. Bro just read the docs (dictionary)

[@danielmelo389]

Google is throwing ads at me left and right, the best part is that it has ads over ads, like the video ad is about some python boot camp while the banner on the right side of the screen is trying to sell me some amazon stuff.

[@demoncorejunior]

i miss the times where it wasn’t so fashionable to hate on people for…knowing things. so what if kafka is a literary reference?

[@CropCircleSystems]

@5:30 fyi, Fortran is neither an interpreter nor a compiler it sits in the few-mans-land known as translators. the name is Formula Translator. FORTRN or FORMTRAN simply spawned from the common 6 or 8 byte filename limits of the day, Form being a misleading term for specifically something else (closer to a Type or Class), "Fortran" stuck over time.

[@plaintext7288]

Reading tjis article without a dictionary is what separates the educated English as a second language person from the rest of plain native speakers

[@larrym2434]

Or does it separate educated native speakers from functional English as 2nd language speakers?

[@XDarkGreyX]

Ok

[@nandoflorestan]

It just separates ppl who use a dictionary from those that don't, and their origin does not matter.

[@larrym2434]

@@nandoflorestan II've heard of these dictionaries. They're almost like documentation for word users.

[@Carvalho96v2]

​@@larrym2434 holy hell this destroyed me hahahaha

[@bentoth4324]

Just because something is verbose doesn't mean it sounds like AI. This writing is dripping with voice, a quality you'll never get even an ounce of from a chatbot.

[@blarghblargh]

for now. not going to say never. I also don't think that future developments in chatbot technology are a good thing.

[@sprobertson]

You can get many ounces of this, just prompt it to write like a pretentious ass

[@bonsairobo]

I fully agree that Rusts errors, as good as they are, are severely lacking in trace-ability. It is so upsetting that by default we do not get traces included on errors, and the crates that provide these features can only do so for nightly builder of the compiler.

[@petembb]

What he ment was software developer IN banking, as the most hated.

[@tlz124]

The most hated people on earth right now aren't software developers. The most hated people are medical experts. And they've earned it

[@dailylegend]

Social Network 2010 movie made you want to be a programmer, Hackers 1996 movie made me want to be programmer... we're not the same xD

[@CoreDump451]

For me, it was the TV shoe Person of Interest, and the video games Portal and System Shock

[@andythedishwasher1117]

This article is making me feel validated in my career choices. Go rocks.

[@colinstu]

2:07 "smaller egos" ... developers??!! wtf, clown article and only at the start still. Programmers having egos has been a thing FOREVER jfc. Person never steps outside or knows their roots or anything apparently.

[@spicybaguette7706]

Bro has never met a linux kernel developer

[@colinstu]

@@spicybaguette7706 quiche eaters? heck it goes even further back still.

[@beofonemind]

Jokes aside, super interesting episode. I am doing go deep dive next year, I'm excited about it. Maybe I'll bump it up in the sched.

[@haveboard]

we are hated. trust

[@linuxguy1199]

17:24 But touch screens are so much cheaper so you save money on your new vehicle! (BTW this is sarcasm, they are WAY cheaper for the automaker but those savings don't get passed on to you)

[@fuzzy-02]

This article is slapping every sophisticated wors in the dictionary out there

[@BillStrait]

Can the author not tell the difference between a developer and a tech bro?

[@procrvstinvtion8479]

Cracks me up that people took inspiration from The Social Network, did y’all watch the movie?? 😭

[@nathanl6598]

Javascript was also made popular primarily because it's the only one that runs in the most popular environment on earth. It's also pretty much the only event based language.

[@vsolyomi]

I think Uncle Bob is preparing Prime to transfer his soul into him and thus live forever...

[@krux02]

The link doesn't work. The title is there, but there there is no article to read.

[@_jamesdphillips]

1:57 Prime lives under a rock

[@kennethhughmusic]

Touch screens are the bane of my existence.

[@andrewwalls8019]

Not me being both a banker and a software developer working at a BaaS startup🤦‍♂

[@FeikeLeemkuil]

Can someone help me for an answer: why when selecting a sentence he never selects the first and last letter of a sentence?

[@XDarkGreyX]

Because he likes it. Nothing else to it. He admitted that at least once

[@mmmhorsesteaks]

I feel python often goes underappreciated here. When the ball of mud works, it's glorious. "My name is OzyPythion, King of Kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

[@TheRealBigYang]

19:05 Complexity gives you a flexible program. Simplicity gives you a working one

[@Apstergos]

I love it when prime rants😂😂

[@securityinteractive]

Javascript was popular before node. Variations were used in Flash and it was just easy to create things in. Didn't need an IDE, just a browser and notepad. Simple as that. It was available. Freely.

[@martinmicheals570]

Nice to see Internet Archive back online.

[@drxyd]

Comparing devs to bankers is crazy. Anyway there's still a lot of work that needs to be done to improve languages. No language has simultaneously great ergonomics, performance and complete facilities for verifying correctness. I for one would like to write proofs instead of tests but I also want low level control.

[@excelerati1629]

Touchscreens should be illegal in cars. I rented this because it looked cool and now I'm a moving road hazard. 💀

[@ALEXANDERdk007]

In a car it should definitely be physical buttons and not touch screens

[@kdcapparelli]

When does programming languages, like any other creative published content, become public domain ???

[@foxhoundarma3]

tbh there's a lot of external hate for programming staff at gaming companies, despite the absolute need for them and the hate stemming from non-programming demands. This is probably where the author is taking their perspective from. We've all heard the "lazy game dev" nonsense

[@LiebsterFeind]

Don't get the connection to the title. Attention to what/from whom?

[@sealsharp]

How about the next article about the sweet simplicity of a language comes in a sweet simple language?

[@AScribblingTurtle]

"Go does not have throw catch" is such low hanging fruit. True but still low hanging. My problem with the Error-Handling is not, that it does not have Exceptions, (you can kind of mimik that via Recover from a Panic) My Problem is just the readability of the Error-Handling. val, err := somefunction() if err != nil { val = "bla" } This pain in the rear could be reduced by a lot if only they would allow us to write one line "if" statements. But noooo, they have to force every F-Ing error check (of which there are a lot) to be at least 3 Lines long. val, err := somefunction() if (err != nil) val = "bla" or val, err := somefunction() if (err != nil) return err Would be so much easier on the eyes. Sure, you can write utils to kind of get a one line error-handler, but as soon as you want to do something else, than panic. (Like, Idk, provide an alternative value or just return from the function the error happened in) a generic util no longer will cut it.

[@hibiscustea7116]

That's why zig error handling is best!

[@AScribblingTurtle]

@@hibiscustea7116 I highly agree.

[@HelloForeignWorld]

Title of the video: Prime learns to read 🙈

[@corriedebeer799]

Nabakov just btw is the guy who wrote Lolita. The most notorious book on pedophilia ever.

[@annoorange123]

14:00 I'm conflicted on this. V8 guys are great engineers, but look what they've done... An absolute tragedy to revive JS

[@MrAbrazildo]

Spoiled devs? Is there even such a thing? I know the existence of spoiled companies, that's for sure.

[@jimmahgee]

Spoiled dev spotted

[@MrAbrazildo]

​@@jimmahgee Well, I didn't watch the video. I guess it means that urban legend, about those who keep walking, pretending to work.

[@godsiom]

*sips latte ☕

[@slebetman]

There were four: Rob Pike, Brian Kernighan, Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie. These were the original four. Others joined them later on developing the kernel. You can thank them for stdio, regexp, pipes, C, permission bits etc.

[@JorgeHernandez-vs8jw]

Is the creation of every new programming language a failure on the creator/s to improve the underlying bootstrap tool? I understand the need to program at a new level of abstraction to balance productivity and new hardware performance. Can we achieve this with a library and/or framework instead? Make the bootstrap tool faster (cause), faster libraries and frameworks (effect). Maybe is greed, power, ego or combination. Just my two cents.

[@indyztech]

The startup movie is Pirates of Silicon Valley.

[@iammaxhailme]

Software engineering isn't the most hated profession. But the modern business pros/crypto bros/hustlers/grifters/tryhards/investors who masquerade as software engineers (but really they're just con artists and the real work is done by some junior dev being paid 20k + a million dollars in worthless monopoly money startup stock options) are.

[@lejzii266]

GO - task failed successfully

[@CodingWithCompassion]

17:30 THIS SECTION I LITERALLY SAID FUCK YEAH OUT LOUD

[@dv_xl]

3:33 the developera behind go hava a unix and plan9 background, which is i think the time the author is referring to

[@olbluelips]

WOAH deja vu I guess I read this article a little bit ago

[@ult1873]

12:20 I goddamn knew it, right from the very very start!

[@stevez5134]

alright i think i understand the issue now is that incr writes the value so we need to make a mult. of course you figure out what you want to write to memcached before writing it!

[@CropCircleSystems]

@11:15 you're forgetting PERL! Python was a solution invented searching for a problem...settling on solving "syntax for women and children".

[@RhetoricaRhamnusia]

What a mountain of garbage. Don't read Wired, kids. It's the poison tree from whence all shallow tech journalism sprang. Alas, until every last William Gibson novella is destroyed, Pandora's box remains open.

[@YaroslavFedevych]

What have you got against William Gibson?

[@jonahbutler9079]

One is fiction and the other is considered journalism though.

[@YaroslavFedevych]

@@jonahbutler9079 William Gibson also produces stuff that’s actually enjoyable to read

[@Exilum]

8:10 TIL doyen is absolutely not pronounced like French in English to the point it's probably unintelligible in either directions.

[@mattymattffs]

That's normal. Same applies to how English speakers say the many German words they have adopted

[@Exilum]

@@mattymattffs Usually they are somewhat close, like apostrophe, silhouette, apéritif, rendez-vous, etc. It's pretty rare for them to be fully unintelligible

[@albizutoday2754]

At the end of the video Primo just admits the Rust nonsense!

[@NunoFerreiraX]

"Easter egg"... fancy new name for a bug...

[@todd.mitchell]

I'm curious...anybody write in Easter Eggs these days? I'll never forget the one in MS Excel that launched a rudimentary flight simulator.

[@CoreDump451]

@@todd.mitchellLots of open source CLI tools have small easter eggs Usually it's something small and funny like apt moo apt moo moo apt moo moo moo But yeah, they were much more common in older software I'm kinda sad they're not as common anymore

[@1DwtEaUn]

Used to have one, it was basically a debug mode with the splash screen changed to the drunk smoking cat image.

[@bandr-dev]

that code is indeed ugly but that's on prime. I don't know what he's doing, but I can see the []*dummy.DummyClient{} mock struct. If he is mocking that's fine, but there's cleaner ways to do this with interfaces if not. I don't have enough info but it doesn't look right just based off those 30 lines of code

[@c9der]

by the way 12:42 I posted same trick on discord like 1 week ago. Is it really a trick. I thought it was a ......................?

[@radovanobal3842]

js... back when if you put variable.length inside a for loop it would re-count the array length for each pass. And just storing the len to a variables and checking against that variable sped up loops significantly

[@XDarkGreyX]

I still do that sometimes

[@Arcidi225]

Okay, why go isn't system language? Only because od Garbage collection?

[@teunohooijer6788]

Touch screens on oven / microwave are also horrible. A way to make an unusable interface that you would never have with physical buttons.

[@Lolleka]

TIL a new word: doyen. Thank you, man.