Audi e-Tron SUV (Electric) - Good Car, Bad EV?

[@dogsdinner99]

Good review and good to see your bro involved. You have been proven right about the internals not being up to scratch, as Audi are recalling them for a battery build issue. What else have they rushed, badly designed, or cut corners on. The range for that size of battery is just baffling.

[@DaveCurran]

"Eighty grand's worth of nearly", sums it up quite nicely.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Exactly the phrase I took away from the video. He did sum that up well.

[@shepherdsknoll8]

Besides being good looking and fun cars to drive, the world is just starting to evaluate, inverters, battery management, motors and software. When all systems are compared, Tesla really shines and is heads above.

[@George_Shonia]

78K£? I would buy Model X if I had a money. By the way review was very detailed and informative + honest.

[@johngordon9987]

The front storage for cables might be also a US vs UK design issue (and I don’t know about the rest of Europe). We don’t carry our own cables - they are always attached to the chargers here, even the 6kW ones. The only time we need a cable is for he three pin plug case. I drove the etron here a while ago, and it struck me as designed not as an EV but as an Audi SUV that happened to be electric. Perhaps it will appeal more to Audi’s traditional customers? It isn’t efficient for sure, but then again nor are their petrol SUVs. They are heavy, well equipped luxury SUVs.

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[@onewheelnut]

After seeing you vids on the e nero and taking a test drive I have also ordered one, keep up the great vids

[@gzcwnk]

Its the bench mark IMHO.

[@metricstormtrooper]

That charge flap should definitely go UP, Bob wouldn't know his arse from his elbow, has he not heard of Gravity, the charge cord will hand down over the flap and given the size of public charging cables, that flap will not be long for this world.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

The length of the plug itself would mean that won’t happen.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Also, if they were going to NOT power something, I would make it the EV charge flap. Bjorn Nyland also has big concerns over the socket placement. EVs back or front into charge spaces. Which means the charge socket needs to be close to the front or rear. Someone has really goofed at Audi by thinking FFV placement instead of EV.

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

I do think that it’s likely people will catch the flap with the cable putting it in and out and so there is the potential for damage.

[@columlynch4229]

Prehaps bob's elbow is in his arse. Sorry for sounding crude and l'm sure bob is probably a nice chap but you did make me laugh.

[@RennieAsh]

@@ElectricVehicleMan can people open that flap or does it only work when the key is nearby?

[@mfhoutman]

I think Simon Units should be the standard for comparing EVs from now on.

[@cjpardo100]

I’m sorry, but what are you guys talking about? Three or four items and you are calling the e-tron a bad EV. Crazy. I am in the EV market and I have sat in and test drove the following: Nero, Kona, IPace, Leaf, Prius, BMW, and some PHEV’s. Do you know what these cars have in common, the companies are so worried about range that they make these cars for men who are 5’3 and weigh 125 lbs. I am proud of Audi because they know how to make bigger cars that are roomier. I am a 290 pound 6’0” man and could not get into half the EV I have listed and when I finally managed to get inside after hitting my head or my shoulder, the interior was tiny. Audi gave up range for size and comfort which translates into a great car for bigger people. Of all the EV’s I test drove, the Audi E Tron had a huge wow factor because of its design, tech, comfort, and size. Let me ask you a question? If I am driving to Tucson Arizona (550 miles) from Los Angeles in an EV with 250 range or 200 range, I will still have to stop three times to recharge the battery. The only difference is that the 250 range car will arrive with more battery life, but so what, you are going to have to recharge each one again while in Tucson. So again, I ask, 250 or 200, who cares???? Give Audi the respect it deserves. The first EV who gave up range for comfort. Thanks for your video and sorry this comment is so long.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Claudio Pardo Watch again, it’s a bad EV for the HUGE price tag and compared to its rivals. EQC, iPace and Model X are a lot more capable.

[@cjpardo100]

Electric Vehicle Man I agree that’s what you said but one item of concern is how small it is. You are paying for the size and comfort for a bigger person. That’s all I was trying to say. It was a bit winded, but at the end, most EV’s care too much about range and make the cars very small sub compact and not meant for the bigger population. Audi is made for the bigger population, hence more material, then more money. You are paying for the size and comfort and not the range. Too much focus on the range.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Claudio Pardo Model X is bigger and doesn’t have these issues, IPace and EQC very similar. The eNiro is also similar size interior and half the price with much smaller battery and fair bigger range! Audi’s R&D budget should make a better car.

[@cjpardo100]

Electric Vehicle Man I actually sat in a Niro and E-tron and I ddI not think the interior was even close, but I will take another look at the Niro.

[@genemayne1577]

Good review guys , and I see you also had the same problems with seats they are very poor every time I went round A bend or roundbout on the test drive I couldn't stop moving which put me off I didn't even bother finish test drive the Jaguar I-Pace much better in side .

[@slartybartfarst9737]

The bonnet is standard ICE Audi, its not waterproof enough hence the inner box in what was a engine bay also the release would only be touched (if ever on an ICE car) once a month. No excuse just what happens when you dont design EV from the ground up. The inefficiency is inexcusable and really does affect day to day, when you have 30 miles extra in the competition and that 30 miles is your "reserve" it counts. Tesla have forgone interior gimcrack for range, efficiency, performance and superchargers (and in my opinion good looks). So who buys an inefficient, slow Audi then? Or as we say "Doors fell off the sales pitch"

[@AriUgwu]

It's a shame really. Though just shows Tesla is worthy of even more applause and recognition. As a first gen Nissan Leaf owner I give a nod to Nissan as well. They are demonstrating battery recycling, reuse, and reconditioning as a core part of their business strategy. Shame they are going through a bit of a scandal. I would love to see a ground up GT-R(e?) variant and long range Maxima join the Nissan Leaf. I imagine a _lot_ of people here in the US are waiting for the first 20k USD used Model 3s to hit the market. Which is likely to happen in the next 3-5 years as the Model Y comes rolling out. Simple math, if I am an early adopter and I picked up a Model 3 for 40k out the door after rebate.......loved every minute of it for 5 years with gas savings then selling it for 20k and picking up the Model Y is likely something I'd do. Especially if I'm competing with _new_ Model 3s in the 35k-39k range with upgraded hardware and batteries. No excuse when Tesla offers to share it's tech. There may be a redemption story for VW in all of this but given that Audi has failed to execute and it's the same company this doesn't really make it seem likely. Either they aren't sharing their tech between brands, are sharing their tech, or rushed to market. That's three strikes.

[@returner323617]

The bonnet release "issue" is 100% standard across the entire Audi range, so I'm not sure that they see it as a real problem...and, to be honest, neither do I. I'm what can certainly be categorised as an Audi guy: I've owned 5 (out of a total of 13 cars over my lifetime) and still currently own 2, but I'm really disappointed with both Audi and the e-tron SUV. Audi - as part of the VW Group - has a world of catching-up to go in a post-Dieselgate era and have really done nothing to apologise or compensate those owners; when it comes to selling my TT TDI, any independent dealer worth his salt will beat me down on price, or in order to maximise price I will be forced to part-trade on another Audi. That's hardly justice. And when we look at what Audi is doing - in 2019/2020 terms - we've got the all-but-useless A3 e-tron PHEV and the ridiculously expensive e-tron SUV...where's the pure EV A1, A3, A4 commuters, the pure EV TT, etc..? Disappointing.

[@brucekennedy5274]

Spot on mate - I’ve always admired Audi but this... it’s a rather underwhelming first effort EV, and they hyped it up so much too!

[@markcornwall8132]

Given the charging network at mainly 50kw for say 2 more years waiting to fill a battery that large and inefficient is going to be very long on a trip. Next.

[@Jakob_DK]

Mark Cornwall Outside UK there are chargers faster than 50 kW, and they are usually in groups of 4 or more in each location. Here is a map ionity.eu/en/where-and-how.html

[@kardy12]

Jakob Soland Engbæk Yes, the U.K. is a relative laggard on charging infrastructure. Even Tesla’s superchargers are sparser than many countries on the other side of the English Channel, and the rollout of Ionity chargers on the Continent is improving things quickly for non-Tesla’s.

[@edstratton]

One of the most annoying reviews I've ever seen. When a car is loaded up to the gills with luxury appointments like this, it's going to be heavy, and for such a heavy car the efficiency is actually excellent. A more luxury and quality interior than any of its rivals by far, and yet you just seem to concentrate on slagging it off by trying to find trivial little things to criticise - for example, there is a big deep dedicated storage bin under the floor of the boot where you can keep all the cables etc and in heavy rain the powered boot lid would be opened remotely from inside the car and will shelter you while you get the cable out (wearing your expensive suit), but all you can see is that your suit is going to get dirty if you had stupidly stored the cables in the frunk instead. At least you admitted that it's a coomfy caaah for taking yer kids to school. Jeeeez. Come on guys, even £80k cars are not 100% perfect. But when they get this close to perfect, and the e-tron is really close, you should just acknowledge it's a great car instead of try to pick it apart just for the sake of it. People need helpful advice. Having said all that, it's human nature that there are plenty of people out there who, knowing they could never afford it, enjoy seeing it verbally destroyed.

[@JustfishNascar]

EVM, I really appreciate the honest opinions. As I mentioned in a previous video my wife really loves this car, from videos, but I knew it was only going to get 200 miles of range and the cost comparison is way out of spec. I'll put in an order on a Rivian S1 before an e-Tron for certain. Not that I can afford one of them either.

[@Dark_Vader888]

Thank you boys for honesty! Refreshing. Audi 100 grand flop. Subbed to your channel!

[@sgpalmisano]

Those of you with the snide comments about design and looking normal or 10 years old are @ joke. You have not experienced the vehicle. I am the proud owner of a 2018 A5 Cabrio, a 2019 Q8 year one edition prestige and a 2019 eTron and have been in the car business for 32 years. I’ve been an enthusiast for most of my life. The negative comments are laughable and frankly you should be embarrassed to sound so ill educated for your comments. The eTron is a technical masterpiece from the ground up inside and out! The build quality is on par with Bentley and Rolls Royce with better fit and finish! I’ve owned well over 100 cars and I’ve been most impressed by these last three. In closing you may want to do more research before you start dogging one of the finest cars on the planet

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Audi pioneered aluminium construction and built there first EV out of steel using a modified existing chassis design for a petrol based engine setup. They spent $3bn developing this car, Nissan spent $9bn on the Leaf.

[@sgpalmisano]

@@ElectricVehicleMan newsroom.vw.com/vehicles/meet-the-volkswagen-platform-designed-to-spawn-10-million-electric-vehicles/

[@EinkOLED]

I would never have guessed you were both brothers, I don't notice any similarities. Top notch review!

[@robsmith1a]

Audi used to pride themselves on aerodynamics and this is anything but and that won't help the efficiency. Being an ev it should be much better packaged but isn't. It reminds me of when combustion engines came in and the first cars looked like carriages that were horse drawn.

[@dansanger5340]

I think you're being too critical. The only real fault I see is the range/efficiency, which may not be much of an issue for some, depending on how it's used. The frunk and frunk release handle criticisms seem like nitpicking. This car has the luxury that Audi buyers are looking for. If the range/efficiency is not an issue for them, then it can find an audience among traditional luxury ICE vehicle buyers.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

It’s the expectation of an £80k car, not whether it’ll work or not. There shouldn’t be this level of compromise.

[@joysee6048]

I would have to agree with a nitpicking review of the frunk and frunk release handle. I can honestly say that I have never judged a bonnet release handle on any car unless it has a tendency to snap of in your hand.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

It’s not to get to the engine, it’s to get to storage (like your charging cables!) which you’ll use often enough.

[@RadoTrenciansky]

Great review guys. Thank you. I used to live near Rochester Castle for 2 years. Was nice to revisit thanks to your video. I have driven Model S for 2 years now and am so glad I did not choose anything else. Tesla all the way :) Greetings from Brisbane, Australia

[@foxpup]

This wide-arse SUV is gonna be inefficient. That's what SUVs are all about. It's conspicuous consumption, showing the world how much money you can waste.

[@Tom55data]

and they are anti-tardis : the space inside is incongruously small based on the lardy size outside.

[@tony_25or6to4]

Do the turning indicators work? It seems like none of the turning indicators on Audis, BMWs, and MBs work in the US.

[@markplott4820]

Audis were recalled due to DEFFECTIVE manufacturing.

[@daveturner6612]

Tony P , they come with a small tank of Turn Signal Fluid and when it runs out, that's it, no more using the Turn Signals. Ever.

[@Tom55data]

That is how you tell if these cars are stolen.

[@cjpardo100]

🤦‍♂️

[@hamshackleton]

This one's way out of my price bracket - but - the first thing I saw was that silly charging flap. The important question is - when the car is covered with frozen slush off a winter road, will the thing open? I can't recall which of the cars Bjorn was testing, but HIS charging flap froze shut! (Agreed, Norway does get a bit colder than the UK, but - - - - ) !!

[@jaroessa294]

No, you got it right the first time...Audi TURD!! At $75,000, this car simply needs to be recalled. Doesn't even get us past the holy grail range of 400+ miles for such a high sticker. Not to mention, Audi goes cheap on the customer and doesn't even include the At-Home fast charger for that ridiculous price. I can't imagine many of these flying out of the showrooms or being ordered. Try again, Audi!!

[@FiDonkor]

which EV today does 400+ miles? are you serious or its a typo?

[@j.kevinmcnary9561]

Fifi Donkor Pretty sure the upcoming Model S will be in that range.

[@FiDonkor]

@@j.kevinmcnary9561 dont count your chickens before they're hatched. upcoming is the word. it's not here yet. and as far as i know, tesla hasn't even announced a 400+ mile range expectation

[@j.kevinmcnary9561]

Fifi www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-model-x-refresh-details-leaked/

[@moominjuice2]

My issue with Audi (and I've owned them for the past 20 years) is they portray the future of tech and gadgetry as if we're all in a futuristic advert. The hard reality of windows not opening from ice, and charging caps not opening due to cheap plastic and motor mechanisms, and 'computer says no' means your a slave to the vehicle and it's quirks. They've gone from rugged driving machines to high maintenance prima-donnas.

[@MegaProtius]

Good review..Audi don't really want to sell many ,just playing the market ,they keep pushing all the ice cars through, till the market forces them to adapt or fail

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@Markle2k They're waiting for a better battery. If they get that AND upgrade to a more efficient drivetrain, they have a chance, that's going to annoy the early adopters!

[@Markle2k]

Solid state is several years away according to the smart people the RI had on the Faraday stage talking about them. It'll be another couple of years before they get certified for vehicles.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

They invested €3bn I believe. Nissan spent $9bn on developing the leaf. Not exactly huge by Audi.

[@computerbob06]

As drivers of VAG group cars know, in the ICE cars, when you get down to 0 miles fuel range, you've still got about 30 left. Maybe it's the same with this car? Someone needs to give it a go!

[@jur4x]

Yeah, my former boss managed to get to negative 30 miles in his Amarok once. Well, it didn't actually say "-30 miles left", obviously. It just started when it said 0 and he got to work and then home later that day.

[@karsakasdasfa6474]

Well whatcar? say that e tron has better real world range than any tesla by 30 miles

[@stevenbarrett7648]

I really thought I would have bought this e-tron but the range is about the same as our Zoe so I will hang onto my TT for a while longer, we need RANGE for our main vehicle not run-around distance

[@zaphodsbluecar9518]

Nice video guys; "Eighty grand's worth of nearly" was a fantastic summary. Remember though, that the Jaguar and Audi EVs are heavier, larger than the Hyundai, Kia et al and are dual-motor, not FWD which will affect range. No-one's ever really bought a Jaguar ICE because of the fuel economy, nor will the range be an issue for Jag buyers...

[@incognitotorpedo42]

I saw one of these in the wild today (3-Jul-2019), just outside of Philadelphia. It looked nice, if you're into SUVs. The driver seemed to be mildly incompetent, based on the way they drove. Too bad they're so inefficient.

[@leexgx]

Sound like you should just get the BMW eV (with or without the backup engine) car or a tesla , so it's 80k car missing 80k features, so 84kw battery that acts like a 50kw, reflective silver trimming (witch perfectly reflects sunback up, you could see it on the roof) bonnet release is ICE like manual (at best after opening the bonnet there should be a pop out release handle that does not require you to find it) seats are for someone of the larger size usa drivers (you move around in the seat) And somthing about hands down the sides?

[@columlynch4229]

Obviously they have been slow off the blocks or more like sleep walking. These legacy car makers have arthritis. It's like asking a 100 year old person to work a smartphone. They have spent a hundred years perfecting i.c.e's and at the rate their going they will need another hundred years for ev's.

[@hannahalice1000]

Its like when they introduced the TT Mk3. With the two versions before that, the TTMk3 should have been a no-brainer. But even that was rushed to market Just as an example, when getting a traffic report on the radio, the message says "cancel traffic report with ⏻". . . . . . .There is no button marked with a ⏻

[@erwindewit4073]

Fantastic video! This really is what I watch them for! No Audi for me! That’s for sure! 👍

[@tonybkent]

Good, humorous review as usual! Is the lack of range partly to do with some of the battery capacity being locked off at the top and bottom end to allow for faster charging speed throughout rather than tapering off quickly? e.g. say 80% usable (I made that figure up) so that the BMS can handle max power as long as possible? That way, some longer journeys could take less time overall due to shorter stops maybe? I wouldn't buy one of these even if I could afford it though. There are better, more desirable options out there for the same money or less. Also, glad to hear you've ordered the eNiro. (I've been a PHEV Niro driver for 11 months almost always on electric).

[@chrisbarrow9909]

Looks like a fair assesment to me of the car and i tend to agree with all points raised.

[@watcher24601]

I saw the e-Tron next to the e-Niro at Fully Charged Live and got to have a look at both. Two things stood out, the e-Niro was more comfortable to sit in, there was a lot more interest in the e-Niro.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

It’s about expectations. Is the etron better, yes. Is it twice as good (more than twice the price), no way.

[@bernardkoppes4401]

The Niro is probably the best value for money EV right now, no doubt ...

[@cjpardo100]

Omg are you serious. E Niro was more comfortable to sit in. There is no comparison from Audi to a Kia. Cheap seats compared to great Audi design.

[@mjh4892]

What a great review. Your brother should be with you on these ALWAYS!

[@OVarlamov]

Bad EV? Who cares? If the car can guaranteed bring me so many kilometers on a charge, recharge very fast, drive fast and also give extra assurance about the battery life and be up to my status (and not one of those Teslas "everyone around has" :-D ) - why would I care how many kwh the battery is or if it is less efficient than some other EV? To be clear, I am not one of potential customers for e-Tron and find it sad to see how cheaply most of the brands try to get away with the ICE=>EV transition. At the same time I guess we should also start growing up from geeky world of early EV measures and open up for more diversity like what we have in the ICE world.

[@rcclassicsuk9899]

Shockingly inefficient from such a huge battery. So glad I bought my Ioniq EV. 😎 As Mr Llewellyn might say, “Hmmm, Smug Mode!” 😏

[@pcr8918]

Honest (sic) to say what we should buy as an alternative. 👍

[@TheOilBurner]

Can't work out how they've made it so inefficient. It weighs about the same as a Tesla Model X but with a massively shorter range. I wonder if the large reserve is the problem, and that's there for a reason. Maybe it allows faster charging without hurting battery life? Surely Audi couldn't have cocked it up so badly?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Usable battery size is same as an X.

[@LeicesterMike]

I wish Bob had got to choose where to put the charge flaps as well why is not on the front ?

[@LeicesterMike]

Also agree that economy even though it is much bigger than an e-Niro is really bad, hopefully they will not sell that many in the UK as really don't want to be waiting behind them on a 50kWh charger.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@LeicesterMike Same as a Model X 90D in batt size and that manages 245miles in the same tests. Only thing is crap efficiency.

[@jrgenp.nielsen1243]

Good video. Give your brother a cold pint for great work😄👍🍺

[@plaw9999]

I have come to praise etron, not to bury him.

[@RWBHere]

It seems to be just another compliance car; not intended to sell in large numbers. Thanks Andy.

[@bbbf09]

First off - just no no no no . No. You cannot even begin to compare a car this size with a Kona when comparing battery size and range efficiency. The audi weighs over twice what the Kona does and is physically much larger (you highlighted that as you squeezed out of the parking bay). This is akin to comparing a Range Rover to a Nissan micra and then expressing exasperation as to why they don't have a similar mpg. Totally ridiculous. About efficiency. It seems this has similar range to Tesla model X with 75 kwh battery (230miles). OK so this has 83kwh battery and so is approx (1-75/83)*100 = 10% lower efficency . To put it another way after 230mile drive the Audi you pay about 90p more for the fuel up than you would in the Tesla. People who can afford such premium cars are unlikely to be bothered by this negligible difference. It's funny that people get so worked about marginal efficiency differences in EVs but not so much about their fridges which are on 24/7 and are likely to cost you more over longer term than differences in cars. Beside all that, overall I see lots of subjective nitpicking and not much objective reasoning to dislike so much.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Try and actually buy the Audi with any kind of features for less than the £83k Model X long range (325m)

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Actually let’s use proper figures. Both the X and this have the same size usable battery (90D X). The X does 245 in the real world, the etron does 210. Both a similar price yet one is new and one came out years ago. The etron had €3bn development I believe, the Nissan Leaf had around $9bn! Read the title, good car, poor EV! Trust Audi who pioneered aluminium construction to make their first EV out of steel. It’s a car that should be £60k given everything that makes it special is lifted out of the Q series.

[@bbbf09]

@@ElectricVehicleMan So with these figures my 10% estimated difference is instead 16%. So yeah ..not so good but not a big deal either. I suspect this to do with the more advanced motor tech in X - but then Tesla have more than 10 years development headstart on Audi. Clearly they have room for improvement and catch up. That said I don't really understand the fixation on efficiency at this level - not just from you - but everyone else. Or why that would make it a bad EV If you had a 46 to 40mpg fuel efficiency in ICE this might be a significant factor in determining it as a bad car vs good car as petrol is so expensive . But with EVs the 'fuel' costs are so low this would equivalent to over-analysing difference in running costs of a 42 to 40mpg. I think few would be concerned with this level of difference. Consider another view - a large family fridge freezer can easily use 500kwh per year. By choosing a super efficient model you could save 250kwh. But nobody gets worked up over this too much.Yet this is equivalent to difference about third to half a year's worth of typical driving X vs etron. The cost difference in driving 10,000 mile per year X vs etron amounts to about £80 (with typical tariff - or £40 night time). I believe these are negligible for most people (especially those who can afford either etron or an X). Yet to EV world this is cause for stressing over 'efficiency' . Why? Biggest disappoint for me is the etron is yet again just another premium price car. Unaffordable for most. p.s. As regards steel vs aluminium I could say a lot on this as I work with both material on large projects day to day . I don't work in automotive per se but I can imagine the reason why it wasn't chosen was not just skimping on costs. It can be better to use steel for a variety of engineering reasons. The final application choice is often very finely balanced on a knife edge over a huge number of variables. I don't think the model 3 switched to mostly steel just for lower costs (though that is the line that is cited).

[@dave20thmay]

Looks better than the Jag. and if you are on the motorway on that horrible night, you won't be going under the bonnet as the chargers will be tethered.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

And when you get home?

[@dave20thmay]

@@ElectricVehicleMan Good point. I only take my i3 out when the weather is good. But the charger in my garage is tethered as well. The granny one is only used a few times as year and can be put in the boot before.

[@waynehobbs5175]

I think legacy carmakers changing powertrains from ice to electric appears a recipe for compromise.

[@markplott4820]

bad design, ICE cars are NOT Efficient NOR do they have Low Drag. A TESLA is newly built from ground up. it, does not have to deal with Legacy issues. this will be the Downfall of the Porsche Taycan.

[@karsakasdasfa6474]

@@markplott4820 you know that plethora of new cars have better cd than tesla? Mercedes CLA for example. Also why would that be downfall of Taycan

[@markplott4820]

@@karsakasdasfa6474 - the CLA is overweight and a waste of Technology. the Future is in 100% Electric Cars / BEV. but, its NOT enough to make a BEV and give it a wasteful ICE car body, it needs to have a NEW Design from the Ground up , for Maximizing safety, weight distribution and low drag coefficient. in the Future, A BEV with Autopilot and FSD suite will be more Valuable and safer to operate than a car w/o AP & FSD. Legacy car makers like MBZ will HAVE to build and Design their own 100% BEV Drivetrain, Batteries and BEV specific vehicle bodys, if they don't , it will cost them Dearly and they will HAVE to cut costs and make the vehicles with Cheaper Parts and interiors.

[@hamster0147]

Great review from scrawny and lard 😉 more brother in the videos .... if memory serves me there are two charge ports one on either side of the e-turd

[@EVtestDK]

Agree!

[@Moggster23]

You didn't say if the car came with a Simon. 😁

[@singularity70]

Brilliant vid lads. Keep it up..

[@LiamE69]

They are still wedded to ICE vehicle design.

[@andymccabe6712]

Well, they have been making them for 100+ years - what do you expect?!

[@hannahalice1000]

Is the wing no-mirror-video-camera-stalk an upgrade?

[@wakkadakkaify]

3.1km/kWh wow... that/s 1.8 miles? what were you doing? :D In the summer I can his 5miles/kWh on the leaf!

[@bbbf09]

The Leaf weighs half the weight of e-tron. Like comparing large Range Rove with Nissan Note. Not same ballpark.

[@wakkadakkaify]

@@bbbf09 the e-tron weighs a lot more than the leaf but not 3x the weight.... Energy usage is almost 3x the leaf tho :)

[@xchopp]

Yep, we get 5 miles kWh^-1 in summer in our 2016 e-Golf. A bit less in winter, maybe 3.5 miles kWh^-1 at worst. VW and Audi are part of VAG, so I'm a but flummoxed. Same goes for the Jaguar i-Pace. I realize they are much larger but what a difference!

[@marcellinocuoco6409]

Why so surprised? A VW Polo (ice) has much better mpg than a VW Touareg (ice)! No rocket science. Same goes for small and large EV's.

[@wakkadakkaify]

@@marcellinocuoco6409 true, in a way

[@Notlib]

What about performance? Torque is the name of the game with EVs. This should be the fastest accelerating SUV in the Audi range?

[@markplott4820]

AUDI does NOT want to LOMBOTOMIZE its ICE car sales, so it Built the e-Tron cheaper and less performance on Purpose.

[@darthstemcell]

Your brother made me chuckle.

[@I-MO]

Good review guys, hope Rochester treated you well 👍

[@CRAZYCR1T1C]

Loving Simon from ZZ Top. More Simon please

[@FutureChaosTV]

210 miles out of that battery pack? Holy shit bad.

[@nigelweir3852]

To buy this at this price or anywhere near it you need to be crazy , if it is only able to do 250 miles at a stretch you are sitting in a 2009 luxury ev . But when even the jag is better you are dead before you start. Buy a model x

[@bbbf09]

The cheapest model X (75kwh) has only 230mile range and is £73K the Audi is £71K. what's the big difference? Why would you advise to buy the X?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@bbbf09 Try and price the Audi with any kind of non basic feature. How's that price?

[@Steven-Brooks]

That bonnet release is the exact same as an Audi A7 I had. So they’ve just reused parts

[@andymccabe6712]

So, why would a car manufacturer who has a bonnet catch(and obviously lots of other parts) already designed and in use, design another different catch for this car-which is, as EVM said, just like all the other Audis?! This is precisely the advantage established car makers have....

[@Steven-Brooks]

I understand that but at some point you need to do something new. Otherwise in 10 years time they’ll all look the same because they “already have the parts”

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Because it’s used for storage now, not getting under the bonnet. It’s also £75k-£100k and you’d expect more for that than a parts bin special.

[@bbbf09]

You clearly are not in any way an engineer. Suppose - for the sake of argument - you have designed the most cost effective and reliable bonnet release mechanism in the history of automotive design Suppose that after detailed and in depth further study (FMAE mode, fault tree analysis ..etc) it is determined that such a design is the absolute optimum and that any changes would only result in an inferior degraded design - you would really advocate change for the sake of change? As i said - you are not an engineer. If you are saying that it needs to be changed over time just to fit in with aesthetic tastes or expectations even if it did result in an inferior or more less reliable bonnet release then maybe that's is some sort of argument to present. But do people have strong aesthetic preferences in bonnet release mechanisms/ If you do then you are the first one I know of. And its a bit weird. p.s. I notice the wheel basically remains wheel shaped after 8000 years. Surprising they couldn't move on, no? Maybe not trying hard enough.

[@Steven-Brooks]

It doesn’t matter if I’m an engineer or not. It’s not about being an engineer. If you’re paying nearly 100k for a car you expect something a bit special. I’m guessing you’ve got one then?

[@grahamarnold2591]

Try ordering one !!!

[@norrsken1962]

The charge door flap, wow, I would love to see a test of that during the winter season! Heavy snow an sub zero temperatures would probably kill that cat.

[@cleddau]

I think Audi are playing to their home crowd to make them feel comfortable changing to an EV. Surprised the car is so inefficient with all their race car R&D that was meant to transfer tech to road car.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Trust Audi who pioneered aluminium cars to make their first EV out of steel!

[@EthanL-ws3mb]

In the centre box if you put your phone in the clip it’s a wireless charger

[@waynehobbs5175]

Great report but some performance stats would have enhanced it.

[@Beastriderpav]

Wow, it didn’t catch fire 🔥

[@caldosan5823]

Shane ... well those and ICE Land Rovers, the last JLR ice car totalled 1000 cars and a car park in Liverpool iirc 😜

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I think he means as Audi has just recalled them for potential fire issue.

[@Beastriderpav]

Shane there’s been a few mate

[@johnmartin5388]

Nice to see you in Rochester that's where I live.

[@patrickf01]

Good comments from your bro.

[@hannesbeukes345]

jag is so happy that the e-turd dethroned the i-pace as the worst efficiency ev.

[@TeamYankee2]

So, bottom line.. if you have £70 or £80k to spend.. buy a Model X

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Or an eNiro and an Aerial Atom for fun!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@ElectricVehicleMan I hear there's an electric Atom in the works.

[@ecologicalyoutube]

Wright Speed ⚡ atom processor Ian was the engineering automotive startup 4 Tesla 16 years ago. See You Tube 2006 video

[@sgpalmisano]

TeamYankee2 model x is junk get in one and look at the fit and finish, a Korean import looks nicer .

[@kuldippanesar590]

Luvin it saying everything aloud that u think.

[@batandball617]

Does the Audi really fail to outperform the 2012 Tesla Model S on all metrics? Is it worth the price of TWO Kia E-Niro’s?

[@Th3Vik1ng]

So Tesla has a HUD now and Matrix headlights?

[@batandball617]

Th3Vik1ng I was thinking more like, range, charging speed, 0-60, 30-60 acceleration times etc. Heads up display isn’t essential to me, where decent battery range is.

[@Muskar2]

@@Th3Vik1ng Matrix headlights is nice for nighttime visibility, but a HUD is meh and a very minor feature imo. Where the Audi e-Tron falls short is making it a good value car. It's a decent Audi SUV that has switched out the ICE drivetrain with a poor value WIP EV drivetrain. I think these first e-Trons will depreciate a lot in value - basically biased for leasing. But I think VW Group is making a notable effort in actually taking EVs seriously and they'll just need 5-10 years to refine it into something great.

[@ianrotheram3991]

best car review ever

[@rogerstarkey5390]

He's the "UK Bjørn"! No shiiiet!

[@b4804514]

VW and diesel gate - the liars at VW corporate will never get my money ever a HARD NEVER. There are much better cars in this category at 1/2 the price

[@mattwalker6133]

I also don't touch VW group after the emission scandal

[@tinvek]

I agree with the lid on the frunk and the quality of the interior release but the actual “ bonnet “ has to have the secondary manual release due to regs to prevent bonnets that lift at the front from opening at speed Also surprised you never mentioned the great idea of charging sockets on both sides of the car Overall though totally agree with your conclusions

[@disgruntledgoat]

Doesn't have to be a manual secondary release - Model S / X / 3 have two separate powered actuators, hence you can fully open it from the keyfob / button without fishing around for a manual catch...

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

iPace doesn’t. Can do it from the keyfob.

[@tinvek]

Electric Vehicle Man but it still has a manual secondary latch which causes problems with your ring apparently ( Ooo matron 😄 )

[@charlesholland-keen2222]

Good review of a disappointing car.

[@DILINGER0]

And Tesla makes garbage cars, full of issues, some of them ridiculous problems, lack of quality in all aspects.... that are excellent EVs. But is a Tesla, we have a vision, A MISSION, it cans defeat a Ferrari at a part of tis cost..... we must to forgive everyting. But an Audi.... yes a superb car but the consumption is high and the range is poor. So thumbs down.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Less than the sum of its parts?

[@countteddy]

does it not have rapid ?...saw only a 7 kw socket......

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

150kw ccs.

[@countteddy]

oh yes it has a black cover .........to go with all the other black............lol

[@markplott4820]

Introducing the AUDI e-Tron TURD Electric car.

[@wobby1516]

You don’t have to use the front! On another blog a guy complained that there wasn’t one on his EV. so manufacturers can’t win.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Tesla managed it. So yes, they can.

[@wobby1516]

Electric Vehicle Man That doesn’t stop the car being dirty or your new suit being marked so I don’t follow your point.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

You can open their ‘frunk’ with the keyfob, not sticking your hand under the bonnet to find the latch. No dirty hands then, meaning less chance of dirty clothing.

[@wobby1516]

Electric Vehicle Man I see, but don’t you still need to handle the dirty bonnet to lift and open it? or does it open electrically the same as the boot. I’m sorry but I think your a bit over the top about such a minor thing. Personally I feel that a frunk is useful, to a point!, but certainly not a deal breaker in the way you seem to think it is, but we all have our opinions and of course are entitled to them. For me it’s far more important that car manufacturers go electric for the good of our children’s health so any BEV is a big step forward. I am now almost self sufficient with solar panels a Tesla battery and a Kona Electric car. Happy days. Colin.

[@SuperDirtyFrank]

All Audi's look the same? What car did you just put a deposit down on, haha?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I didn’t pay £80k for it though!

[@SuperDirtyFrank]

@@ElectricVehicleMan Price is relative, my friend. All Audi's, such as the Q7, come with a premium tax applied, then you have to add the battery tax as well on this one. I'm sure there will be many people queuing up for it regardless.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Unholy Muppet Absolutely. But the expectations of what this car should be is a lot higher than what it is. Compared to its rivals at this price point its poor.

[@andymccabe6712]

Yep- the real point is, all SUVs look the same..... But then don't all Ford's look the same? It's called brand identity! Also, of course, if you like Audis then you don't think they all look the same. It's like thinking all The Smiths songs sound the same - not if you're a fan!!

[@SuperDirtyFrank]

@@andymccabe6712 That's true but some are at least trying to be different. Take the Seat El Born, for instance. That looks nothing like any other Seat. Another would be Honda and their unimaginatively named 'e'. At least the actual car has its own identity. Other brands should dare to do something similar.

[@saabreplay7553]

Audi and Volkswagen have historically terrible electronic problems. Just an expensive pile of crap to me. I’ll keep my 3500$ Japanese pile that is extremely reliable and 13 years old

[@swisschoco25]

3:23...are you sure the car is on?? Lol lol ..the car doesnt even sound likes it's on. Which is great, but that would take some getting used to.

[@brecherxp9795]

I dont think the SUV formfactor ist the ideal way to develop the best efficency. Why has the design always got to be so close to the combustion cars? 30 kwh per 100 km is far too much energy, especially considering prices of 1 Euro per kwh in 2021. I am one of the very few buyers that want 10 kwh per 100 km at 120 km per h....I guess it is possible, even with 4 seats , safety and for 32000 Euros.

[@petejohnson1724]

that larger battery i want 300 miles for the money i dont think the car represents good value which is a shame because audi have made some good cars

[@cjpardo100]

Peter JOHNSON this is one of the biggest EV on the market and that is why the range is less than others.

[@Kiltoonie]

Maybe a bit picky, but I'm wondering what this car, and the I-Pace, can offer that my Kona 64 SE cannot, and the answer is: not a lot: m,aybe a bit of back-seat legroom that, quite frankly, I don't need. But they are both horribly expensive and inefficient! I think both Jaguar and Audi have a lot to learn from Hyundai. These 'luxury' carmakers both fail to realise that performance, efficiency, and price are far more important than a fancy 'heritage' badge on the front, or a £50 piece of walnut veneer marquetry on the dash. Like your bro: by the way: he has potential: I'd rather watch him getting into the boot than some bloody Bjorn banana boxes!

[@jacksonbangs6603]

Just keep the charging gear in the cabin. You then won't get your expensive clothes dirty.

[@MrPorquoipas]

Well I was not surprised they had some issues remember they know how to do Combustion engine but Electric will take some time for any not only Audi in a way this is the consequence initially when Tesla come out with h Electric the Industry was only thinking nothing to worry and only the German Government pressure this guys nothing else and now the Car look good but not perfect and is first Generation so wait for the third and see how they doing ,feel like there were in a hurry to put this on the market . In short wait for the next Generation

[@macberry4048]

A lid on top of a lid

[@Joe-lb8qn]

what is the blue thing in the roof?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Blue thing?

[@Joe-lb8qn]

@@ElectricVehicleMan Yes look at the video of you in the car, above your heads and between the two of you is a round blue object. Microphone maybe?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Ah yes. Mic.

[@joesinkovits6591]

Are you being paid by Tesla?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Yeah tesla do that all the time.

[@leoclarke6462]

please review an Ipace next

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

It’ll be up in 2 weeks.

[@leoclarke6462]

Excellent

[@Pete_YT]

I thought iPace efficiency was bad but the e-tron is even worse @ 2 miles per kWh. Model 3 by comparison does 4 miles per kWh... So Audi would need twice the battery size to go the same distance 🤨