Audio of TA reprimanded for showing Peterson debate

[@ThatReadingGuy28]

He says 18 year olds can’t be exposed to the gender debate yet children who haven’t reached puberty yet are allowed to go through sex changes🤔

[@harshitmadan6449]

Liberal logic

[@ironymatt]

Isn't 18 still the age that you can serve in the Canadian military? Is Laurier saying that someone can be adult enough to put their life on the line for their country, but not adult enough to listen to Peterson in a classroom?

[@Zantorc]

Worse than that. He's saying 18 year olds are not mature enough to watch a video of a debate aired on public TV! (The clip was from 'The Agenda' with Steve Paikin a highly respected award winning program, aired on 'TV Ontario' - an educational public broadcaster).

[@rey_nemaattori]

Sexual orientation is taught in sex-ed classes ages 10 and up in Canada(grade 5 is the earliest I believe, gender identity is taught at ages 13-14 grade 7 or 8), you allowed to make irreversible changes to your body's sex at ages 16, but at 18 they're still too young to _watch_ a civilized debate...

[@bluelagoon228]

Its inappropriate to discuss the validity of students possible identities in an environment where they cannot leave freely.

[@jimmoore3705]

The guy conducting this interview should be fired.

[@guguigugu]

sad to say it, but he's doing his job perfectly.

[@digitaldevil7522]

He should be fired and get the shit kicked out of him. For fuck sake, this is disgusting and hard to listen to. SJW fascist pricks. Like she said, this is so wrong. Laurier needs to do better.

[@digitaldevil7522]

@Simon As I understand it, the disgusting worm we hear on the tape is another one of the teachers at the school. He's a piece of shit and a manipulative bully who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a school, or developing minds. I'm guessing your point is the entire school is of the same gross mindset as him so why would they fire him? My response in that case would be, route the entire school.

[@saints51]

@@guguigugu Correct. Which is why no alumni should give money to this school.

[@rey_nemaattori]

Hung, drawn and quartered seems more fair...

[@WarrenCromartie2]

Listening to that really creeps me out. Not only is this completely out of order for LS, it's also incredibly insulting to the students in that class, who the guy dismisses as being too immature to understand the context and cope with the subject matter. He was proved otherwise by the fact that there were actually no complaints.

[@fallenpotato5910]

was wondering why there was no HR in the meeting. it was 2 vs 1, HR was needed as the middle person. that to me was shady.

[@cowpercoles1194]

@bud smoker The expert was a diversity (and accountability) official.

[@Mark-pe2sh]

No actual complaints proved the creep was a liar.

[@michaelxz1305]

​@@Mark-pe2shno I think why the professor wouldn't answer how many complaints there were because there was probably one.. I don't know how big the class is but that's probably way less than 1% of the students..

[@TheNightshotBR]

"In a university, all perspectives are valid." "That´s not necessarily true, Lindsay." Man, that´s scary. I wouldn´t trust this guy to run a lemonade stand, let alone a university.

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

Yup. Corruption and totalitarianism. Not just an idea anymore. But reality. :( !

[@gavins9846]

Lmao you can't be that naïve. Then there should be no problem filling classes with ISIS propagandists, pyramid schemers and other bad-actors because "all perspectives are valid". There's a line.

[@TheNightshotBR]

@@gavins9846 Best straw man of the year so far.

[@gavins9846]

@@TheNightshotBR You went for low-hanging fruit, so did i. Ain't that a b?

[@TheNightshotBR]

@@gavins9846 lol how did I go for "low hanging fruit"? Are you high? She showed a video of a different opinion and was being punished for it because it´s not appropriate for her ADULT students? That´s some bullshit right there. And her statement that "in a university all perspectives are valid" means that all ideas are open for discussion, instead of mindless shielding the "young adults" from reality.

[@psychohist]

Needed to include the following part of the exchange: Linsdsay: "I remained neutral" Interrogator: "That's kind of the problem."

[@gregoriosamsa2722]

@AwkwardSenpai Hahaa he's pathetic

[@Voller84]

I missed that part, too. And yes, it is in there!

[@guguigugu]

they literally did the exact thing that peterson talks about, that's rich

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

It usually is that way. The people who don't want something to happen are perpetuating that thing they are so afraid of.

[@LeonarBolt]

I’ve never heard such frightening people in my life, and I’m a university student in Holland following two studies at two different faculties, so I’ve never imagined this happening at a university. I’m actually totally flabbergasted even more than frightened.

[@WorkB24]

It's all about indoctrination. You can hear it plain as day in this audio.

[@bdk5091]

Try UvA...

[@thembashibase3770]

It is sad to see how she was misled into thinking that the meeting was somehow meant to help her become a better tutor when in fact it was an assault on her right to hold a neutral stance on the question of gender pronouns.

[@PAVANZYL]

How creepy is this! George Orwell was out by 34 years, but spot on.

[@pulmo1]

To think such misguided individuals masquerade as educators in beyond belief.

[@Leightsm]

Fun fact: “positionailty” isn’t a recognised term.

[@saints51]

Dude, you fail to grasp that any word is legitimate in the social sciences if you tack '-ality" to the back of the root word. But sometimes, you have to use "ility" --- as in "imbecility." Or can I still use that word?

[@Durzo1259]

Well now you're just using a sillility! xD

[@fisterB]

It is a wordality but it has graspality. You may question its legitimality but not its legality.

[@saints51]

@@fisterB I appreciate your hospitality toward all the jocularity and jokisms. Humorosity is always pivotally intersectional.

[@saints51]

Your approvism positively impacts my egoism.

[@Dogofwar206]

I was a social worrier years ago. I'm sorry for that. I got help and now I can't stand this policy

[@cocochanel773]

Warren Nicolson tell us your story? I would find that interesting and what changed your opinions 🤗

[@johnnyblazem5326]

Go back we don't want turn coats

[@gregoriosamsa2722]

Come on guys. Let him clean his shit

[@crochetedlace2838]

Social worrier. Excellent Freudian slip. Glad you rejoined the sensible skeptical people.

[@andrewmacintosh2287]

I felt so bad for this girl.

[@Dream-bebe]

I am glad Lindsay recorded the bullies at Laurie.

[@sseltrek1a2b]

it used to be that young adults attending University were treated like "adults"...now, we're treating them like children that need "our oversight and protection"....this is insane...

[@craiga7652]

You forgot to add indoctrination... ...... .........

[@michaelxz1305]

Listen to Joe Rogan podcast with Abigail something who wrote a book called bad therapy or I guess just check out the book.

[@jasonwesley_]

"That's not necessarily true, Lindsay" says everything

[@laguanhayes214]

I never heard all of this. I wonder if the two sitting there trying to bend Lindsay to their will realize Lindsay should be interrogating them. How did things ever go so far in a university setting?

[@johnlewisiii2076]

“That is not necessarily true, Lindsay”

[@guguigugu]

that was her original mistake, believing that north american universities are academic settings. no, they are very expensive daycares for sheltered youth. no one there is interested in being challenged or having their routine changed.

[@benitak.3719]

"Problematic" to promote discussion in the classroom? Classrooms are SUPPOSED to take you out of your comfort zone and out of your echo chamber, and challenge you. It becomes "problematic" when a point of view is promoted and supported by force and you cannot question it.

[@mrgoat5820]

Excellent reminder🙏

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

because it is seeped and manipulated by authoritarian dictocrats.

[@Melophile74]

1:34 He's saying you can't teach but only what we want you to teach.

[@AnnaLVajda]

"The reality is" gas lighting S O B.

[@Mario-yl8lq]

Wow scary. This is what their doing to our kids. Omg no wonder most kids nowadays are “soft” head cases, medicated then in debt. Thanks LibTods

[@alanhenderson7916]

Do these admins even know that what they are doing to this girl is even more damaging then what she did by showing some students a different view point on a current sociological issue. I would consider myself a liberal but her being reprimanded for this action is ridiculous to me.

[@craiga7652]

It's all part of the 'program' The program being the Cultural Marxist Communist takeover of America¡! ... ...... .........

[@craiga7652]

Correction: Canada, America & the whole world¡!

[@Mark-pe2sh]

if she isn't thinking the right way she has no value in the society they are creating. One term often used with people who don't think as they are told: they cannot be allowed to exist in society. So, they should be killed. This is how the left would like to treat those who don't think the way they are told to think.

[@iexist563]

Everything is up for debate, in a free society, especially in an adult classroom.

[@bclifton4086]

This is absolute MADDNESS I have no words

[@JevPuma]

If this happened to me I do t know if I could be as calm as her.

[@OttoMatieque]

'thou shalt not undermine indoctrination' is the commandment she violated

[@barretttoups6496]

The classroom is a place for the free exchange of ideas.

[@PabloRodriguez-su4gp]

Holy crap. This is just feels surreal. But it's not. That's scary.

[@maj1395]

He sounds like he's enjoying every moment of that, especially when she starts to cry. Honestly he comes across like one of those people who enjoys picking a person to try to turn everyone else against and then being the big brave hero who stops the bad guy. I sometimes wonder he was the one who initiated all of this by fabricating a complaint because he enjoys feeling powerful and Lindsay was just an easy target because she's younger and at a lower job position with less seniority than him. I don't think this started because of a 'mistake'

[@sageantone7291]

These are actual dictators.

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

That's a woman who's entire outlook towards university, something she's dedicated her life to at that time, is being destroyed right infront of her eyes.

[@KentRoads]

Wow... Having an opinion on something which isn't even fully known is illegal, huh?

[@shuffman8094]

What a bully. Pushing his agenda only.

[@busterdafydd3096]

I remember hearing about this a while back and maybe listening to this. but fuck those to teachers/admins should be fired NOW. she was encouraging debate not saying, this KZbinr is great praise this dude. and if the students are above the age of 16 I think they are far enough along to grapple with their own views. it should be law to give clarity to the number of abused individuals, and a unified statement of what was abusive, they instead used that dreadful law in Canada to say your supposed to agree with them even if your being constructive

[@reecegeorgens1755]

He speaks to her as if the students she’s teaching to are in elementary school, not fully grown adults capable of rational thought.

[@reusablecatmilk.2325]

To me this is what absolute insanity sounds like, or a totalitarian state. Horrible, just nauseatingly horrible!

[@hen2005]

That last line...”that’s not necessarily true” responding to “in a university all opinions are valid”. Absolutely disgusting view point who should never be allowed to work in a university let alone hold a position of power. That man needs to go back to being under someone’s supervision and should learn how to monitor freedom of opinion and speech in a debate whilst upholding standards and not tolerating violence. But he chooses to go after the teaching assistant... what a coward!!

[@desoliver9712]

There is plenty to be scared about hearing that audio but the quote you've selected is not one of them. He's not saying that people do not have the right to an opinion, he's saying that not all perspectives on a given topic are valid-he's right about that. For example, the flat earth theory is not valid when trying to explain/understand geomagnetic poles. The problem though concerns the framing and characterisation of the 'sides of this debate', (as being identical to discussing the flat earth theory in the context I mentioned) and the link the speaker is attempting to make between the pronouns issue, and the (kind of) example I cited.

[@hen2005]

@@desoliver9712 I guess it depends how you want to word it. I think the flat earth model is a valid attempt to explain geography (maybe not geomagnetic poles) but it just doesn’t hold up much under scrutiny and when compared to experimental data. I guess what you’re trying to say is that everyone can individually decide how much weight to put on something someone says, all the way from invalid to completely agree. What I meant was all opinions should be voiced and heard, discussed and criticised etc.

[@pascalgallez1126]

Terrifying. And that bloke Rambukkana still has a position in WLU?

[@aingealagowl7383]

Shot game: Drink every time you hear the key words: unsafe, toxic and problematic!

[@guguigugu]

ask them to explain the meaning of those words and they just give you a blank stare

[@ironymatt]

@@guguigugu nah, you gotta give 'em more credit than that! They'll just keep flapping their gums until the words "... it violates the policy..." tumble out. Or something to that effect.

[@crochetedlace2838]

2:40 pretty damning that the accuser couldn't really frame the actual violations they are alleging.

[@Zantorc]

The clip was from 'The Agenda' with Steve Paikin - a highly respected award winning program aired on 'TV Ontario' - an educational public broadcaster. He's actually saying that 18 year olds should not be exposed to a debate aired on public TV. Not only does he insult the intelligence of students at the university, but he has no awareness of how utterly absurd his position is.

[@notthefather3919]

My university was woke, however as a public institution, we still had constitutional rights. The main thing is there could NOT be any anonymous complaints because the 6th Amendment Confrontation Clause still applied to us. We also have the First Amendment. And this was 5 years ago in Canada. I can't imagine how bad it is now.

[@hk530]

WTF?!this is worse than middle east😑😑 I think university can hire some of well train interrogator from my country

[@L3A1N8]

The interviewer sounds exactly like a cult recruiter for somewhere like Scientology. He's literally possessed.

[@celestes.7187]

Positionality is not even a word. Lmao

[@RobGutmann]

3:11 students are 18. Adults ?

[@DAVIDFERNANDEZ-jx4fb]

a lot of people here calling those supervisors "morons"which they are , however I think they would have done the same .the politically correctness BS needs to stop

[@kenmartin861]

No matter your outrage these people are still employed!

[@snoghojs]

Kafkas process taking place in real world. It is madness

[@he-mememan359]

2:55 "Okay, so that's not something that you have an issue with?" There it is, label them as something that they don't want to be labeled as, then try to get them to profess your ideology to have the label removed.

[@ArunAbrahamKY]

what were the results of the lawsuit by Lindsey and JP? there actually was no student complaint.

[@andrewjohnplaysasong]

They have no problem "harming and violencing" her... Omg they are just giving it to this poor girl.. Over thoughts??? Ridiculous.

[@D.wi1d]

Poor girl. These people are pathetic. Sad how pathetic this country is becoming. Can’t even show people a video without causing harm. Stay home if you need a safe space.

[@FormulaProg]

They should be sacked.

[@hieiwrath]

When the Greendale Community College from the show Community is better than a real life one.

[@GS-qe3pt]

Yup, definitely NOT going to wilfrid laurier

[@KarlDMarx]

Holy shit ... this is back to the Torquemada … how did these idiotic "interrogators" get their jobs?

[@Mark-pe2sh]

"Intellectual" should no longer be word associated with colleges today unless it is used to describe the intellectual dishonesty or intellectually bankrupt nature of college today.

[@thomasisking]

Is this place really a University? God help Canada and Canadians if it is so.

[@shaminsaeed7337]

I like the part about an 18 year old doesn't have to tool set.... 😂 at what age does he/she get this "toolset".

[@dchawk81]

22. After indoctrination has been completed.

[@John52953]

I hope these professors got fired.

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

wtf that last statement is terrifying. "EVERY statement is valid, even it's wrong or untruthful every statement IS VALID!!!!" YOU KEEP GOING GIRL! YOU GOT THIS!!!!! :D !

[@harshitmadan6449]

Thank god for First Amendment in great US of A.

[@americanfreedom8517]

i was just suspended from Santa Monica College for using my 1st A to address the problem of gang stalking being hit with dews, v2k (mit microwave laser to the ear) and frequency-based mind control within LA county....psycho electronic weapon effects, google it. but i was being hit with DEWS a lot of their campus...it's their commie groups.

[@derfpoloderf]

Oh my God. The world as I know it is doomed

[@mysterycheez]

Scary.

[@MyCofeeTime]

I know how those "feedback" meetings go; funny thing is the pic in the background says "Laurier - inspiring lifes"...but the university official says that "it is not necessarily true (that "in an university, all perspectives are valid)...pathetic. Rex Murphy said it very clear in an interview of Peterson: "journalism and universities are failing institutions in our society"...Laurier and UT are leading that shame pack.

[@GermanicJennifer]

There are no words for this kind of injustice. That poor woman had EVERY right to teach what she was teaching. She wasn’t swaying the narrative, she was presenting ideas so that they can be dissected and understood which is the entire point of university!!!! 😡😡😡

[@thetime4660]

So disappointed in what our canadian universities are turning into. shame.

[@he-mememan359]

3:20 And there it is again, they don't want them to be exposed to ideas that they haven't had a chance to ideologically brainwash them into having their opinion of the ideas. It goes back to earlier when they argue that it was problematic that it was presented in a neutral way rather than calling it problematic and let's think of ways to criticize it.

[@vincentrusso4332]

Did the administration know they were being recorded? I would like to imagine no.

[@marcteenhc9793]

Of course not! Else, they would have said: ¨We welcome every point of view, students should be encouraged to discuss alternative ideas, at a university we should always challenge students views from a neutral stance, etc. Thank you Lindsey for showing us how politically biased we have become.¨

[@manubishe]

They've used her trust to accuse her of the most horrible thing - poisoning the environment of the students who both Lindsay and Rambukanah consider as children, But Rambukanah wants them for himself while Shepard wants them to face the world. If there is an overbearing Parent syndrome - here's a book case

[@alextheking1988]

What a total disgrace this is!…

[@okramoffacebook1381]

One student body complained. On the surface it is a customer, in the background the parental figure of that student body has invested resources into it's educational surrounding.

[@vibesbynae4860]

Your gotta be kidding me so he didn’t even know the policy she was violating himself????? From 1:38, so he asks the J whoever that is to confirm the policy Shepard violates , this is beyond Redicilous and just goes to show they are n as educated as they seam

[@draupnir9748]

This is madness !

[@jeoffreywortman]

This is pure abuse of organizational power. So much respect for how this young woman is dealing with this situation. I think they messed with the wrong person. At this point she doesn't have anything to lose and she will make them pay. 100 percent support for Lindsay Sheppard.

[@raybo64]

We received a complaint against you and for confidentiality reasons we can't tell you how many people complained or let you see the complaint. Just trust us, we know what we're doing. We are the thought police and you can't be telling people things that have happened. Otherwise, people might have opinions and then think.

[@brianhuss9184]

You have a right to know your accuser, or at the very lest the accusation. A redacted version of the written complaint should have been made available. Unfortunately, there was no complaint by a student, so no such copy was available. This was entirely a constructed fiction of Nathan Rambukkana. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/wilfrid-laurier-lindsay-shepherd-complaint-1.4455368

[@guguigugu]

this guy has a more soy voice than the woman

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

Man she's a LION I love this girl

[@NewNoob-vq4uh]

This tool is telling this girl that anything except the PC party line creates a toxic situation.

[@sheveka]

This is heart-breaking to listen to. A bright young woman who was previously passionate about teaching and academia has her wings clipped and her mouth gagged by someone manipulative and slimy... who to this day is still at the university, while Lindsay no longer felt safe being in the academic world. THAT is my definition of unsafe - when you cannot express your own thoughts for fear of an unknown thing happening to you - being cancelled or twitch-hunted by people you do not even know who have no qualms in destroying you.

[@cxsparx]

It is shocking to see that such guys (and a woman too) misuse their position for political indoctrination, and worse, of all things at an University that is intended to broaden the knowledge of young people.

[@sacredgeometry]

It's a cult. No two ways about it.

[@dilitor]

Is that so called teacher a bit illiterate ? Maybe with a speech impediment ? He cannot muster two or three words together without messing it up. And another thing, if no one actually complaint , then how those yahoos find out and started the Inquisition ? Methink that still, some student complaint or just comment, and Grand Inquisitor jump on the opportunity to show his masters how decisive he is in rooting out any different opinion . And that poor bugger student got scared and pull his head in and did not confirm further on. So, the two losers just wanted to make a point , point they just badly wanted to win . Bad luck for them Lindsay stood up . Good on her.

[@paulpena5040]

So an 18 yr old who could be drafted into the military in times of war and be asked to kill or be killed on the battlefield is too sensitive to hear language that could make them uncomfortable ? Did I sum that up correctly?

[@cvaz62]

Wow.... this us just gross. No wonder these ideas have infiltrated popular culture.

[@lewisj.9903]

03:45 Well that sentiment will raise HELL on earth sir! congrats! you deserve what you invite >:-(

[@craigieboy123]

The male in this audio (oh shit, did I just assume his gender) sounds like an absolute CLINT.

[@J.Wade87]

I have gender neutral friends and gay family, we TRY to use pronouns such as "they" or "them" but when I slip up and use a he/she they don't lose their minds and tell me I've wounded how they see themselves; and honestly anyone that does makes me think that it isn't the way they're addressed they have a problem with, it's because they have problems with themselves as a humans.

[@koshea44]

I know you are probably just trying to be polite, but you are indulging them in their delusion every time you say ‘they, them’ when referring to their individual pronouns. The fact that you slip up and accidentally call them ‘he/she’ demonstrates that you know there’s no such thing as a “gender-neutral person”. I know you think you’re being a good/kind friend by doing this, but if you truly care about these individuals you would tell them the truth, which is that they are suffering from gender identity disorder and probably need some form of psychiatrical help. The last thing you should be doing is encouraging their false belief that they can identify as another gender.

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

LOL! WHAT A SNOWFLAKE x'D !!!!!!!!

[@goutvols103]

This is the beginning of fascism.

[@alexdonohoe5292]

"They don't have the critical tool kit to take it apart yet, a KZbin video. Yet they do have the critical tool at 3 years old in some cases to have full cognitive competence as to what they're gender is, and a full and indiscriminate transition to transsexuality, interesting. 3 year olds cognitively, emotionally maturely sound. 18 year olds, lack the tool kit. Perfect rational

[@rossmiddleton5961]

why isnt this guy in trouble

[@dean1979harr]

Fucked up

[@emilioconde8782]

positionality that's an academic word irregardless of where you're from

[@kellyhanson8482]

Go "**'"* yourself for saying anything in defence of these sick fucks! You probably do !

[@emilioconde8782]

@@kellyhanson8482 I was being sarcastic? Im making fun of the administrations eloquent stupidity

[@AquaAriaSachou]

"Causing harm to trans students" Are you fking kidding me? A stiff breeze that blows in their directions would somehow hurt their feelings. There is nothing that will NOT hurt their feelings when it comes to their identity. Heck watch some of their videos. They themselves are not even sure what to call themselves and what to be offended at... so they get offended at EVERYTHING

[@craigieboy123]

"When someone says to me, 'that's offensive', I say I'm still waiting to hear what your argument is." - Christopher Hitchens

[@dougsherman1562]

Welcome to Animal Farm, enjoy your stay.

[@scootertron8332]

OH MY GOD