Which Thousands Sons Cult to Choose in Warhammer 40K - The Best and Strongest Great Cults

[@auspextactics]

CORRECTION: Sorry the Cult of Mutation relic is only for Sorcerers, not Daemon Princes. Apologies for the error, still seems OK to boost a sorcerer but definitely less useful!

[@josesolias]

That tome can also give CP to the opponent on a 1

[@ericwolf9664]

Give it to a terminator sorcerer if you have one imo. Pretty sure they are still able to use it.

[@flyingvacuum597]

@@ericwolf9664 yep, just them and the sorceror, the exalted sorcerors can't take it

[@ericwolf9664]

After some thought I'd probably use it in a splash patrol. Along with the battle psycher upgrade equipped with an axe, combi-melta, and the movement booster trait. That gives you 6 str 7 attacks and a bit more anti-vehicle firepower all of it on a 2+ to hit. Throw an msu or 2 of rubrics to give yourself options for the source of the cult power.

[@AThousandSons1]

You can definitely blink mutalith beasts with duplicity it specifically says - Cult Monster -

[@notapplicable9243]

Cult of Time terminators + the healing upgrade for the terminator sorceror + the stratagem that lets you regenerate a model on an unmodified cast of 9+ makes for an annoying terminator blob.

[@spaceemperorspar4791]

Took out an entire detachment with a single unit of Scarabs this way. All the small arms fire in the world means nothing to All is Dust, healing,and a new model every turn

[@jameschorlton2619]

This is how I've set my list up in a squad of 8 terminators accompanied by a sorcerer I'm terminator armour

[@duathhadron5040]

Time is my personal favorite is to use the Cult of Time and restore a terminator every turn. Makes my army hard to shift off objectives

[@kevlonk]

Duplicity and Time are the best IMO, though Knowledge, Mutation, Scheming and Magic are all worth taking.

[@aerynmusick4548]

I really like the cult of time.

[@1roadrage1]

Youre both wrong... i miss when people would fight. instead yall just agree like normal adults... meh

[@matthewjohnston8007]

@@1roadrage1 bwahahahhaha absalutely perfect! But your wrong, sir! Dont you know anything!? ;p

[@1roadrage1]

@@matthewjohnston8007 You take that back! My opinion is better. I will give you no reasons as i dont want you to attack my opinion. #NoYou

[@IStealYourZs]

Prophecy is best because If my dice rolls wont help me (and Tzeentch knows they wont) I can at least not do nothing once a turn

[@AsbestosMuffins]

tzeentch can't be bothered to consult his oracle

[@Chris-jl6vp]

Man I didn't even know TS had more than one cult

[@frostedbutts4340]

It's Tzeentch, every has to be more complicated!

[@magearamil8626]

Drukhari are way more complicated

[@aidanmahoney6619]

@@magearamil8626 Drukhari gay LOL

[@manuellorenzo4655]

Two extra details that were missed about duplicity. The warlord trait can be used in conjuntion with Risen Rubricae, using the stratagem AFTER knowing who goes first. And the Relic gives your opponent 1 CP if you roll a one, so it carries some risk.

[@insanitygamer8820]

Are you saying use Risen Rubricae during deployment, then if you don't get first turn, make use of the warlord trait to bring them back into your deployment zone?

[@manuellorenzo4655]

@@insanitygamer8820 No. I'm saying deploy all your rubrics in your deployment zone, without paying CP for any stratagem, roll to see who goes first, and if you go first use the warlord trait and Risen Rubricae to deploy a unit of rubrics in an agressive midfield position. That's why I puted an emphasis on AFTER. Using Risen Rubricae first and redeploying to your deployment zone is a waste of 2 CP.

[@insanitygamer8820]

@@manuellorenzo4655 Oh I see my confusion. I thought there was different wording on the warlord trait. Definitely gonna try this in my next game.

[@sarcasticlittleass]

@@manuellorenzo4655 I dont think you can, because you can deploy units with the normal deploy rules but the stratagem iis actually bound the a certain step that is already over there.

[@deadlysnipe12]

@@sarcasticlittleass they FAQed this combo to work. Very useful.

[@d.t.m8393]

My first impression was that the standout cults (in no particular order) were Prophecy, Time, Knowledge, and Duplicity. Don't think you can go wrong picking any of those imo. Mutation's psychic power could be pretty clutch though...

[@forrestray9926]

Small correction, mutilate beasts are part of a great cult. Only named characters, zangore units, and Cultist (ironically) are left out of the great cults. But great video, always love anything on the thousand sons

[@shadeling6717]

I'm starting a 1k sons army and glad you are putting out some videos on them.

[@ce017]

Would really really appreciate a psychic phase talk through, similar to the combat fight first and last rules you did recently. Go over some of the niche psychic rules in the eldar and thousand sons rules. Keep up the great work, one of my fav channels on youtube for a long time love your stuff

[@lordseano2343]

Cult of Knowledge all day yo. Makes my warlords spell casting almost always go off. I like giving chaos land raider +1 hit and -1 to be hit early turns, makes it sneakily threatening and have watched multi melta shots whiff because of that dang -1 spell. It's not unkillable but way more annoying. Like a giant blue armored mosquito. Then that 3rd and 4th turn :) Down comes blue and gold hell in the form of 10 Scarab Occult plus ahriman, infernal master, terminator sorcerer and every buff I can muster unto them. So much inferno storm bolter dakka, literally feels like I'm making it rain warp infused bolter shots, plus smite saucing :) I got 2K Thousand Sons and am enjoying the codex update greatly. I hope the Chaos Space Marines get a great codex too. For the dark gods 😈 I got 2K Crimson Fists too in case I need to go good but I love being the bad guys in 40K :)

[@jaredeppley9199]

Recently ran cult of duplicity at GW’s NOLA Open. Went 4-4 with wins against Necrons, Custodes, Dark Angels, and Ultramarines. Love the utility it offers, but changing things up to go melee focused with Cult of Mutation. Lots of Tzaangor, Terminators, Daemon Engines, and fighty characters

[@lagmeister3215]

One combo with the Cult of Knowledge i think will be very powerful is a Patrol Detachment with an Exalted Sorcerer with Eglieghans Orrary with 2 x Twin Volkite Contemptors (TVC). Eglieghans Orrary means they ignore any to hit, wound, and damage modifiers and combined with the Enscrolled Infusion streatagem and the Cult of Knowledge unique power, I fell will deal out a ton of damage at most targets

[@judjementine]

duplicity and time are the best for their spells, cult of magic is honestly too weak now IMO since rubrics have regular smites now. the other ones are primarily taken for their WT or relic. it's honestly kinda sad that they didn't choose to make the cult powers more versatile. it was very obvious when the cult's originally came out which ones were the ones you'd actually want to bring for their power and which ones were too situational or mediocre to be worth it. and they did nothing to change the mediocre powers in the codex.

[@tomaskapel2287]

The Glassiest of Cannons, AKA Tzeentch's troll. Exalted sorcerer with cult of mutation, Paradigm of change, disc and mutation trait. Powers: swollen by worf (:p) and whatever else. Relic staff of abominus. Now you have 6 attacks, 7 with Worf and your relic gives you 2 hits per attack. Your trait gives you MW per six to HIT... 14 hit rolls :D. Use in pick up games for lulz or in combat patrols to loose friends.

[@teuton_]

Aeonian scrolls for tzeentches firestorm plus immaterial echo is extremly useful. You want an unmodified 9+ for that power anyway and the scrolls let you throw 3 dice pick the lowest. you easily get 9+ modified and quite reliably unmodified. Should do lots of mortal wounds and lets your exalted sorcerer do 3 psychic powers per turn without legion command upgrade. Good for a mortal wound caster.

[@legokid1902]

Last time I was this early for a video magnus still had two eyes

[@mattburnett7440]

Loved this video. I’m just starting a TSons army myself and have been considering which Cult to go with. I came to the same conclusion - Time and Duplicity are the strongest choices. I think Time works nicely with large blocks of Scarab Occult Terminators. So it will be interesting to see if that’s a valid strategy in the current meta. Duplicity is obviously great for positional play.

[@MrKirbanator]

Big blocks of terminators are definitely the way to go. Plus they get ob sec so you have this club you can drop anywhere that will really do the damage or capture you need

[@wedgeantilles6134]

I love the idea of duplicity with the mutalith vortex beast and chaos spawn

[@malekiththeeternityking5433]

Duplicity just won a grand tournament recently

[@lokalnyork]

Can't see why teleporting, pre-game redeloyment and 50% chance to get CP would be weak. I would mix, actually. Cult of time + Terminators, Scheming + dakka Rubrics, Duplicity flamer bomb?

[@ivandeoz]

@@lokalnyork yeah, time + duplicity seems to be the way to go.

[@kosmosfantasias7545]

Duplicity is the best. Redeploying your rubrics or mutalith vortex during first turn either when going first or second and combined with Risen Rubricae are always the most powerful tools.

[@SorcererTim45]

I would love to do cult of mutation with a sorcerer with that exalted mutation relic, the battle psyker upgrade and aetherstride. 9 inch fly, can charge over models. If I get swelled by the warp on him he gets 7 S8 -3 ap dd3 attacks which seems pretty good in my eyes, and can fall back and charge!

[@ragewinninethousand4140]

Currently painting a cult of duplicity and happened to find your video. Thank you!!

[@darksythe2226]

Duplicity solves all the problems tsons has which is essentially getting into range

[@1roadrage1]

Your channel is awesome. My eyes dont think so as all they see is the center of the sun. But dark mode aint a given. I invert the colors on the screen and bingo bango bongo.

[@jamesscarano7843]

I'm a Cult of Knowledge guy myself (mainly for fluff reasons), but also bring a patrol detachment of Cult of Duplicity, because, damn, dat Jump!

[@jordancarroll2121]

Cult of Prophecy has been my go to. Devine the Future has come in clutch a number of times.

[@titansquirrel4408]

I roll for my cult when I play at home and it's great they're all fun

[@firmak2]

its 9 cults, how do you roll for it?

[@titansquirrel4408]

@@firmak2 same as for missions really, D33

[@d2vid5]

The lore and look of the TS really appeals to me. However, their models are just way too detailed for my patience :D I mean seriously, a TS casual trooper has as much detail on him as a space marine character. I think Id be able to finish like two rubic marines before breaking down.

[@viktor2563]

Duplicity is my choose!

[@baltheyrthar4933]

So you can teleport 10 terminators with presage, glamour of tzeencht, weaver of fates and malefic malestorm buff into enemy lines. Let them walk 5 " with warptime and than get the 4" charge on ememy with cult of duplicity? Seems nice

[@geonsilberlicht4632]

I might be wrong here, but I think you are misrepresenting the capricious crest here - it doesn't allow you to change one dice to a 6 (or to a 1 in the enemys psychic phase) - you can only do that if you rolled a 1 (or if your opponent rolled a 6), right?

[@an6erboda191]

I disagree with your ranking of cult of knowledge. Empyric Trespass is amazing when using volkites! I always have at least 2 contemptor in my lists

[@changer_of_ways_999]

I REALLY love Manipulation in theory and flavor, but it actually is the worst for play. Knowledge isn't really flavorful or special but that re-rolling 1 is almost broken depending on how you use your psychers. Style vs substance, fluff vs fuction... the eternal battle for me.

[@nukethenatelore]

Duplicity is the only cult with all three benefits being very good, not just usable. Redeploy, instant deepstrike that doesn’t count as fall back, and cp generation.

[@shuwan4games]

I actually wouldn't count thier cp generation as good since rolls of 1 gives the enemy cp, I'd rather use the helm to generate when they spend a cp

[@Your_Mad_Bro]

Mutalith vortex beast actually have great cult keyword

[@joshtompkins1538]

Cult of duplicity looks like it can be ridiculous in combat patrol games. Specifically that warlord trait

[@smile_reptile]

Можно ли использовать какой либо культ, но при этом оригинальную окраску, а не ту которую использует культ?

[@annatar2140]

Anyone know what the model is on the cult of time page? I think he looks amazing and want one.

[@DannyBob526]

I think it is an exalted sorcerer

[@darksythe2226]

Also mutaliths and chaos spawn do get the great Cult keyword

[@carldooley9344]

Are the Cults in the new codex, or are we still using the PA Supplement? All I ever used my TS for was as an allied Patrol for my Chaos Knights, and while the names of the powers changed in the new codex, I can still use the same sheninigans that I used in the old one - Warptime and the power that turned off invul saves (oh, and duplicity to reposition my Rubrics for objectives or redeploying 9-12 from an enemy to erase it).

[@Three-Headed-Monkey]

This is all from the new codex. The Psychic Awakening supplement is now completely superseded.

[@chrisg8321]

How about this 2 detachments, Time SOTs and Duplicity Flamer-Rubrics ;)

[@TheGodofbadideas]

My girlfriend just got into the game with Tsons and is playing 500pt games with cult of time. Its pretty brutal at that point lvl

[@frostedbutts4340]

Tsons are great in small games. Not much you can do about eating loads of Mortal Wounds

[@DareToWonder]

Duplicity is the best by a lot. Second is Time but its not as big as it seems. Espcially if ur not 10 SOT brick

[@teifurnordal9970]

When I voted in the most recent Patreon poll the t sons where way behind. But here we are with a video any ways take that furries

[@georgestoebig105]

Y’all saying cult of magic is weak but it looks pretty nice to me.

[@BloodiedShingle]

That Cult of Duplicity description is Alpha Legion levels of suspicious. Not saying that to imply anything. Or am I?

[@buddieschiknful]

Just wish tsons had more model options

[@frostedbutts4340]

Yeah a unique vehicle would be nice

[@LysimedVenteel]

Space wolves should get a small bonus for the great company they belong to, like this.

[@JordanThreinen]

Magic, Mortal wound spam is strong.

[@ieat10kittens94]

Are they balanced?

[@maxtrika1496]

mutation relic sorcs only not PD

[@TheRealPaiMei]

I’m sorry bro but you’re repeating jingle or tone is unbearable I can’t watch.

[@zenex1741]

Could you deep strike in a unit of terminators to the corner of a board, where one or more can't fit and die in deep strike, and then revive a model and place him inside 9" to give yourself an easier charge?