Australia Day or Invasion Day?

January 26 marks the official National Day of Australia, but for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders the day is anything but celebratory.
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[@scottseymour5621]

Let's get some perspective on history......the entire First Fleet arrived between the 18th and 20th of Jan. 1788.....the official ceremony and reading of the proclamation took place before all convicts, soldiers, settlers and officials on the 7th Feb. 1788.....all that took place on the 26th Jan. 1788 was an informal flag raising and a toast to the King and to success of the new colony...no speeches, no claiming of the land, nothing.....attended by about 10 people. Seriously....do some research ....it's all in the history books ....now tell me again....what exactly happened on the 26th Jan. 1788 that is so offensive...?

[@thecoolestjack6259]

exactly thank you

[@RICK-fs6yi]

You lost we won. Australia day is ours. The strongest survive.

[@francescah8675]

Guns and planes versus strength. How wonderfully "strong". You couldn't survive in the bush for one night without toilet paper. You lost your heart.

[@brettanthonypalmer2956]

@@francescah8675 The colonial British had planes ?

[@roymarzano2436]

chinese will own it now idiot

[@charlesoflyon6578]

Francesca H Pipe down woman! Get educated and stop being emotional. It was battle for land and resources, just like all how it normally was for thousands of years.

[@anglosaxonnationalist5080]

It’s Our land now 🇬🇧🇦🇺

[@Adaadam1996]

What does the Stolen Generation have to do with the 26th of January?

[@Young_SlayerKO]

Because again they took over and stole the kids from their mothers and tried to erase the culture

[@Tactical_ops36]

As a indigenous Aboriginal I celebrate invasion day I stand with my ancestors and my family and friends this land belongs to all of us we can't just fighting over it we need to take care of each other we can't go back to the past and save our ancestors we need to protect this land for a nother country if they attack us 🇦🇺❤️💛🖤

[@brucegordon5312]

'Get over it' is good advice

[@razza8925]

Everyone in our days are just massive cry baby's

[@alexkhaid]

@@razza8925 I know

[@ciyrainshgaming507]

Not exactly

[@davidw1152]

Stop the centrelink payments and then you will see the tears.

[@yeahimere9631]

David w. Yeah, if they want to make a real protest, why don't they give back all their government handouts and refuse to accept their dole cheques?

[@quidtv697]

You do have a valid point though it’s as if they pretty much get Everything they want and as soon as they get what they want it doesn’t really go it good use. Sorry if I offended anyone I’m just speaking the truth. I say enough is enough.

[@roymarzano2436]

yeah by asian arabs and europeans who dont deserve it

[@elscruffomcscruffy8371]

@jo dirt *you're

[@rjayg6575]

We may have forgiven but you won't forget the pass, and you can't erase the history, history is history it will be still in the chapters if we all pass away in a future. The stories will be still passed on to younger aboriginals... I mean we can't get over it... You guys need to understand how it feels to be a young aboriginal reading those nasty comments so stop writing a racism comment.

[@92Adzy]

well said

[@tomanypeople9878]

CHINESE WISPERS AND EXAGGERATION.

[@jonlimes6087]

Now Australia government need only had two tasks done. Empowering them (Aboriginal Australia) to be productive society that can compete with non-indigenous settlers and any other immigrants (I think Indonesia already done thing this before to Papuans) and minimize racism that mostly comes from the bigoted 'majority'.

[@latenightlogic]

The fact that this has more dislikes than likes shows where we are at in society.

[@charlesoflyon6578]

Yes, a LOGICAL society. Not snowflakes dictating what can and cannot be celebrated.

[@elscruffomcscruffy8371]

I'd put it down to technology. Our world history has been littered with civilisations conquering each other. Europeans were more technologically advanced. And here's a thought: the indigenous peoples of Australia have been here for 50,000 plus years yet what did they achieve when compared to the Ancient Egyptians who were approx 6,000 years ago?

[@cherieg9427]

They achieved nothing.

[@travv88]

Australia Day. Muslims shouldn't talk about invasion in a negative sense considering your history.

[@mrm4sherman271]

200 years ago and Australia is better under a western society

[@Sano-tk1yz]

Aussie aussie aussie, oi oi oi

[@cherieg9427]

Well said👍🇦🇺

[@cletusvandamme6711]

Nah it's still Australia Day. Nobody really cares what 500 odd half cast centrelink recipients think or say.

[@cherieg9427]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍🇦🇺

[@tomanypeople9388]

Not even half cast.

[@hismajestyericcartmanthese5755]

I celebrate Australia Day to celebrate the men and women who built Australia both white and aboriginal. Personally i am sorry for the ill treatment that the white man did to native Australians. But to change Australia Day is like Americans force to change Independence Day 4 July because it offends the British People.

[@echelon2k8]

Yes, let us hope that the native Australians are sorry for their ill treatment of the White man, too.

[@jameswatker9766]

“...But to change Australia Day is like Americans force to change Independence Day 4 July because it offends the British People.” Wrong. British people aren’t the indigenous people of USA. Your comparison would only work if the USA invaded the UK and forced them to have the 4th of July a national holiday. At which point the Brits would rightly be saying shove your 4th of July up your arse.

[@echelon2k8]

The Australian Aboriginals aren't exactly indigenous, either. They haven't always been there - just like the British - they just migrated to what became Australia many thousands of years before everyone else, that's all.

[@jameswatker9766]

Yeah, you missed the point. I was commenting that the previous posters analogy between July 4th and Australia Day was flawed. The last time I checked the U.S.A. wasn’t in charge of scheduling public holidays in the U.K. BTW bizarre to hear that you don’t recognise any prior rights to territory. So are you a complete Internationalist who doesn’t recognise borders?

[@echelon2k8]

No, just someone who doesn't recognize the borders of an extremely primitive group of people who occupied a landmass of more than 7 million square kilometers.

[@EggingPeanut]

There are too many misconceptions about the 26th of January. And it's important to note that no aboriginal person was killed that, or any of the days that followed as the British were under strict instructions to not anger the natives until a colony could be established for defensive purposes and for the first years there was reletive peace. Secondly. Many people fail to realise that back then they had different values and morals than people today. Everyone says what the British did was horrible and vile act of invasion, however by their law, and the law of the entire world back then, Australia was unclaimed land. The reason for this is that there was no official government here, no army and no infrastructure beyond scattered huts. And since there clearly was no established country, there was no one here. Lastly, I acknowledge aborigines as the traditional owners of this land, but they need to understand that they are not the owners of it anymore. Country's and empires have been invading and conquering for tens of thousands of years, and almost never has the taken land been given back, rather the people adapt and inter grate. And after 200 years I think it's about time we all inter grate together.

[@EggingPeanut]

Logic genius Mate, I don't disagree with you. None of your points relate to what I said, and I was merely stating the British perspective. I personally think the aboriginal people need to just get over what happened and move one. "If you look only to the past, or the present, you are sure to miss the future"

[@EggingPeanut]

Logic genius i will watch those videos. But in regards to your comment about disease. It's true, the British brought with them many disease, however I disagree that the effect it had was do to a low immune system as a similar pattern is seen else where in the worl. Like in the Americas where the natives suffered even worse the the aborigines. Or Africa, where it was the Europeans who were introduced to new disease and devastated.

[@harryseldon6712]

Two hundred years ago Africa had a population of about 200 million. Today it is over a billion. All thanks to the white man's vaccines and antibiotics. 80% of the deaths of North American natives was due to introduced diseases. The colonists and other migrants unknowingly brought in diseases, such as bubonic plague, chickenpox, hepatitis, tetanus, cholera, the common cold, diphtheria, influenza, malaria, measles, scarlet fever, sexually transmitted diseases, polio, typhoid, typhus, tuberculosis, and pertussis (whooping cough), etc. These same diseases killed most of the full aboriginals.

[@jameswatker9766]

“...the British were under strict instructions to not anger the natives until a colony could be established for defensive purpose..” Sure, and Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin. The taking of Australia is about plain an act of colonisation as one can imagine. It baffles me that Australia alt-right are so desperate to expunge it from the history books. The Aboriginals didn’t spontaneously leave their sources of food, shelter and water.

[@jameswatker9766]

“.... Today it is over a billion. All thanks to the white man's vaccines and antibiotics.” Sure, all invented with the help of Arabic medicine, Indian maths, Persian material technology and Chinese inventions.. So what. Does that make a German soldier murdering a Hehero child anymore or less guilty?

[@mrshinybald2739]

26/01/1946, the day we became Australian

[@tomasdiaz4892]

I'm sorry but Australia was not properly a country went the British arrived, was a land yeah but not what we call a nation. Through history nearly all countries have been invaded shaping them in what we know now days. Nearly all countries now are the product of different people coming into the country. The colonization of Australia is part of its history you like it or now and is a resulted of that.

[@tomanypeople9878]

A crime or injustice cannot be inherited. I have no feeling of guilt about what happened beyond my control 200+years ago.

[@cardanoada517]

It's staying Australia Day.

[@soulminer]

I won't be celebrating the bollocks.

[@funseeker5096]

It be a racist Arse hole day

[@madddevil1]

Happy Australia Day 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@ytxmak]

That's the way the world rolled back in the days of the FF in 1788 (which people may it be said, were under strict instructions not only from Phillip but from the British government itself to treat the 'natives' with tolerance; a live and let live policy.) Arthur Phillip and Tench, Dawes et al went to great lengths to learn about the Eora, including their customs and language. Yes, bad stuff happened instigated by parties from both sides, yes the Georgians were not sensitive new age folk; they were every bit convinced of the correctness of their attitudes as the carradhy Pemulwuy was of his when he ritually speared the governor (who, incidentally 'copped it sweet') as payback for the callous indifference and 'crimes' of the Europeans. 'Invasion Day'? Certainly not. An opportunity to bury the past and make it good for the present and the future? Certainly yes.

[@tomasdiaz4892]

If Australia Day is an issue why don't you celebrate the day Australia became independent from Britain like the 4th of July in USA?

[@FuryanJedi13]

These debates have made me come to dread the 26th of January... for all the wrong reasons. Instead of being a date where all Australians can come together, it has become one where politically motivated tools forcefully push their agenda in order to drive us all further and further apart. This is not what a day of national pride is meant to be. The suffering of the Aboriginal people is not what tainted the 26th of January; the protests and political agendas born out of it is what tainted the day. And to persist with them simply reopens the wounds again and again, ensuring that they never heal. Even if the date was changed, it would not make the slightest difference. It would just drive the Australian people even further apart. Anybody who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves. But then... I doubt any politician would care about my opinion. I'm just an ordinary guy who doesn't want to see his country torn apart over such a trivial matter.

[@chrisgold4230]

seperate the nation blacks on one side whites on the other and white money is spent for our people

[@travv88]

Coexistence is impossible.

[@honkytonk25]

Does anyone really know the reasons behind why neglected Aboriginal children were being removed from appalling living conditions and neglect,molestation,and abuse to try and bring them into the future at the time?

[@cherieg9427]

Still happening today. You can't help a people that won't help themselves.

[@nope6908]

Turkey, give land back to the Greeks and stop taking land from Kurds.

[@crashtestcal6484]

Why don’t Aboriginals file a class action lawsuit against the British Crown and Government? Australians with convict ancestry should do the same given the fact their ancestors were brought here against their will. Some of them got speared by aboriginals, some killed by British troops. Many of them were political prisoners and petty criminals. In a way, they were victims too.

[@micksaitlik2693]

Stop unemployment day..🤣

[@Blackwater_House]

Australia Day celebrates an event which occurred on the 26th of January 1949.

[@jaydee4674]

So, it's okay for some people to protest against immigration then?

[@pix3lpancake]

@@HITBnn ok liberal despite the fact we built this land up from scratch

[@o_o-lj1ym]

Can’t we have Australia Day on another day so that it’s not tainted?

[@Andrew36597]

You can’t forget the past, but you should hold the actual people involved accountable not people who may or may not be the ancestors of them.

[@neriksen]

No one beats the machine. If you don’t go with it, it will destroy you. Starting from the inside.

[@decadude6895]

the real pity is what it's become, a nation without an identity or a clue

[@davidoconnor5248]

It is called Australia Day and it is celebrated on 26 Jan each year because Captain Cook landed in Botany Bay on 26 Jan 1770. Without the English explorers there would be no Australia and no Australia day. This continent was predestined to be colonised and settled by any number of 'invaders'. The obvious contenders were France, Denmark, The Netherlands, Germany or Japan given the subsequent history of the region. For example have a look at how Africa was colonised and find out what China is doing in Africa to this very day to spread its sphere of influence. We are a democracy so don't celebrate Australia day if it offends you so greatly. You pick one of the 364 other days of the year and make up your own reasons to celebrate that day. I promise not to berate you for making happy on your special day. However, I would suggest that it is a very brave or stupid person who would come between an Aussie, his or her BBQ and a reason to have a big piss up to celebrate our national pride.

[@honkytonk25]

You’ve got the name of the captains and the dates completely arse about! Check google and get back to us with the correct information!

[@livenloud6697]

We are so sick of these losses whinging about a day which is one of the best public holidays on the calendar

[@roymarzano2436]

for a yobbo like you

[@deltaboy767]

Oh my god get over it you were invaded the end. you don't hear us Americans complaining about the British colonies that settled here know what we do we celebrate our independence on 4th of July.

[@roymarzano2436]

you slaughted thousands of indians first nations american hypocrite

[@charlesoflyon6578]

Roy Marzano Go read a book regarding the colonisation of America and it’s proper contexts lol.

[@crashtestcal6484]

I often wonder what this country would look like if the Dutch had decided to stay and lay claim. I say that, not to excuse the British, but to point out that human history (all the way back to the cave) is full of gross injustice. At what point should we let go of historical grievances and move on. Everybody on this planet comes from a group of people who were treated badly at some point in history. “So, I deserve this from you because your ancestors did that to my ancestors generations and generations ago.” C’mon people, can’t y’all see how flawed and problematic that type of sentiment is. Look, I guess I can’t expect everyone to be as smart and as insightful as me, but you can all at least try goddamnit. 😉

[@nathanappleby5767]

It's called war...

[@aviator6935]

Well said

[@jimmicrackhead12]

Funny, these guys look like they are genetical more european than indigenous australian, why do they claim aboriginality? Because there are SO many privileges given to them as aboriginal but NONE as a white

[@barrymackenzie2707]

That probably True mate until 1 Year later when Murders started heads cut off put in Streets to warn off Aboriginals

[@mitchellyao5218]

So the chinese are part of the british or white who came here back even though my family came heee in rhe 1800s, i was born in modern day not the 1900s only 4 years to 2000 but feel sorry for whar thw british did to its own and the aboriginals all those years but its a lucky country.

[@roymarzano2436]

for chinese with lots of money like you

[@deltaboy767]

As an American I'm very offended that you would even compare Australia Day to Thanksgiving because Thanksgiving is not a holiday of slavery Thanksgiving was the time when the British settlers and the Indians got together and gave thanks for the Harvest that they found study your history of America before you compare Thanksgiving Day to Australia day as an American that pisses me off!!!

[@jecos1966]

Maybe I'm wrong but I understand that The Aboriginals say we don't own the land we belong to the land?

[@tharyt6933]

Australia day🇦🇺

[@laylarnifraser1247]

INVASION DAY!

[@joshuahadeed591]

@@laylarnifraser1247 Australia Day

[@laylarnifraser1247]

@@joshuahadeed591 🖕🏽🖕🏽so you support genocide?!

[@joshuahadeed591]

@@laylarnifraser1247 no aboriginals were killed that day

[@laylarnifraser1247]

@@joshuahadeed591 your obviously not educated 🤭🤣

[@katahi0749]

You don't recognize us as the traditional owners..........SO TRUE😭✊✊✊

[@ce1834]

You’re not, a weak culture that got supplanted - keep crying

[@jembingham21]

you migrated from Africa 40,000 years ago so you invaded just like us

[@charlesoflyon6578]

Samuel Tataeng LMAOOO and he said that while colouring his hair blonde 😂

[@cherieg9427]

👊👊👊

[@katahi0749]

@@charlesoflyon6578 hahahhahaha LMAO IKR

[@debbiegiles385]

Who built Uluru?

[@deltaboy767]

So what should the Native Americans say when the Europeans came to America and swept across the land and took their land they're not moaning and complaining to this day no they celebrate the 4th of July just like any other American citizen would with gratitude and respect for their Nation.

[@tomanypeople9878]

WHAT DO THEY WANT?

[@sukafreecity]

Another Christopher Columbus Day lol !

[@Joshdyisdifh]

New South Wales day.....

[@joshuahadeed591]

Evrey person from nsw is ignorant

[@Coastal603]

Joshua Hadeed no

[@ChristineQ-wr6iv]

*If aboriginals had wanted to kill everyone on the First Fleet, they could very easily have done so.* More likely, those aboriginals regarded the First Fleet as astonishing entertainment: like a circus, with exotic animals, fancy clothing, crazy acts etc.

[@Maxiiboi03]

Muskets vs spears, I wonder what would win?

[@roymarzano2436]

poor aboriginals they thought here comes trouble with a capital b

[@shortyamum8983]

I’m watching sunrise and theirs gonna be a swat team and more cops with guns and shield and pepper spray

[@MrAntiFarLeft]

Rusev day

[@Lieu3C4]

Incursion Day. Move Australia Day to 1st January, when, in 1901, Australia became what it is today, an independant Federation of States constituting a Sovereign Nation among the Commonwealth of Nations. It certainly didn't become Australia just because some vagabond dude landed a bunch of sea-sick, punch drunk foo's in a swamp on the edge of Botany Bay.

[@barrymackenzie2707]

January 1st 1901 Were not even A people They We're Flora And Fauna Aboriginal People were not included Did not get full rights as Australians Until 1967

[@echelon2k8]

@@barrymackenzie2707 Ah, the old flora and fauna myth that never dies.

[@chelseasonkar2907]

There’s some pretty disconnected and hurtful comments on this feed, to those who don’t understand why this is important and they feel they’re not at fault I understand, but ask what would you do if you knew your friend was struggling with this feeling, now amplify it to multiple friends. It’s unresolved that’s the issue, sweeping under the rug and pretending it didn’t happen isn’t a strategy that works for anyone. To those who feel unheard, there are more people gradually listening, many are respectful despite the disrespect shown towards you, and your positive suggestions are slowly being heard (I’ve noticed an increase over the past 5 years in the concern around this issue), but it may take some time before it is heard nationally. I spoke with a mate earlier this week and we agreed May the 8th would be a better choice (may8) (mate) to represent us all coming together and acknowledging without fear and blame for the history of how we became a country, but where we are now and how we can move forward as a land of opportunity and community. My skin is white but I’m a global citizen first and a human with a heart, hands and feet just like everyone else that can make positive change for the acceptance of our history and new history for the future 🌏 My beliefs involve reincarnation so I understand I could have been indigenous, or a perpetrator or somewhere else in the world. Regardless, for the ancestors I have today that hurt our indigenous brothers and sisters, I am deeply sorry, and for the lack of understanding and unaware heart felt connection at any time that has been felt.

[@cherieg9427]

Stop it

[@visitoralways3125]

Mad Cat, do you people think that you own the world and this country. All Aboriginals and Torres Straight Islanders should get up and do something about the current situation. Their language should be introduced in the schools at least as an optional.

[@str4wb1m1lk]

Always was always will be aboriginal land!

[@robertsumners931]

Sorry pal, it's not your land, and it's not white mans land either, it belongs to mother nature, we are just one of many species that come and go 100 million years is like 1 hour on a time scale on this planet, get the f*ck over it.!!!!

[@cherieg9427]

It's white fella land now.

[@charlesoflyon6578]

There was no such concept of “land ownership” between aboriginals. So your people lost. Get over it and move on like everyone else.

[@ilna2790]

Wlh les gens de la classe à Mr doise envoyer les réponses

[@RabiBenLavi]

The same thing didn't happen in India or many other places. It was when Australia revolted against the British like the Americans.

[@novarkengoode6243]

Australia never revolted against the British you silly bugger. We are still part of the Commonwealth.

[@PM-do2yu]

This is tots fixable. 1. Make ‘AD’ Jan 1 as that was when Australia as a country came into being. However as this is already a public holiday have the only official recognition be the release of the Australia Day honours list. Apart from that nothing else happens. 2. Gazette the AD public holiday to fall on either the last Mon or Fri of Jan (whichever is closest to the end of the month). This way those who would benefit from a Fri public holiday would get a go. 3. Rename Jan 26 as ‘Invasion Day’ and treat it with the same solemnity as ANZAC Day (dawn service) 4. Have a treaty signed off by the GG (on behalf of the Australian government) and to ensure global recognition, the UN Sec Gen. All it takes is some leadership.

[@cherieg9427]

No

[@HN-ol7oz]

the solution is we could add another puplic holiday so call invasion day before Australian Day..so that 1st we acknowledge then we celebrate. And noone will complain to have another off day..win win.

[@cherieg9427]

Trouble with that is the fact that there was no invasion. Why should we pander to a bunch of radicals.

[@ingc3852]

I agree. January 26th was also known as Foundation day. That date can't be changed but something should be done. I understand as my family could not celebrate the day the Russians invaded and took over their country during WW2.

[@echelon2k8]

@@ingc3852 You'll never please everyone no matter what you do or don't do.

[@shyshyshy6345]

Just change the date ffs

[@cherieg9427]

Never. Happy Australia Day

[@charlesoflyon6578]

Rizé How about “NO”.

[@shyshyshy6345]

@@charlesoflyon6578 i bet youre looking at Aus day for a school assessment

[@terrorist6928]

Happy to see CWC semi final , England kicked out losstralia out of the world cup

[@honkytonk25]

Hypocrites

[@terrythekittie]

Let's be honest, the day is 'White Australia Day', you only have to look at the comments here to see how white pride is alive and thriving. Australia is still waiting for an 'Australia day' and an Australian flag and Australian head of state. Won't be easy if the country is still stuck in a 1950's time warp.

[@farty2264]

Keep up the good fight fellow 'whiteys' or as I'd say 'honest hard working patriots'

[@YasirElCuervo]

First