Australia's cheapest EV costs $15,000 USD & can power your house with V2G

[@electricviking]

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[@FlintStone-c3s]

Had solar panels for 12 years, now retired. 2hour blackout last week, I checked power wall prices, very expensive power backup. You are right this could be a great solution.

[@alexandert4463]

@@FlintStone-c3s there are cheaper, non Tesla batteries that do pretty much the exact same thing and probably higher capacity for what you pay. Might be worth looking into.

[@Pokersmith]

Or buy a petrol generator for $500.

[@TB-up4xi]

I have driven both the Ora and the MG4 and the MG4 is a much better all-round car although neither are great they are both just OK for the new discounted prices which reflects more accurately what these cars should have been priced at in the first place. There is no Ora in Australia for $15k USD ($23,600 AUD) new and far fewer people care about V2x than you think. The $26,990 price you see in WA is for 2022 and 2023 manufactured unsold but in most cases sub 100km, dealer demonstrators - not a "new" car in the strictest sense. You are seeing this because GWM vastly over-estimated demand for this car in Australia and had to stop importing new ones over a year ago - pricing reflects the need to get rid of 2 year old and in some cases cars that are about to be 3 years old in a couple of weeks. All Oras in Australia are August 2023 or earlier manufactured dates ( yes even the configure your car new from the website cars you will get an August 2023 or earlier manufactred car), many sat in holding yards for over a year before getting compliance plates because of the excess supply. GWM has confirmed there are no plans to bring in 2024 or 2025 manufactured models - these are effectively in end-of-model excess inventory clearout mode.

[@johnnyrarere]

Still cheap

[@wanda160154]

All true 💯 I was about to say something. Thank you for telling the truth.

[@JohnathanMartindale]

Thank you, i appreciate

[@gz3zbz]

Cheapest I see on Carsales is $26,990 drive away. It's a dealer demo but undriven. 2024 GWM Ora Extended Range Auto.

[@garylab7934]

Bought my Demo Ora Extended range for $24,500. It had 6000 KMS on it. Brilliant car

[@kamingcloud2880]

Awesome price for a great little EV ! Many Middle Class Northern Americans can only dream of affordable Electric Vehicles. Hope this will happen someday? Dream on, guys Dream on . 😉💖🌬🌊🌞⚡️🔋🚙💯👍 😉💖🌏✌️🙏

[@EVPHASE]

We already have them, Tesla Model 3 used or new, greatest car ever made

[@whenufirstrealized]

Nobody should doubt that nothing happens by accident in the US. We must keep 50% of the population in debt, desperate and sick to keep our system running. Affordable EVs, just like affordable housing and health care works against the most critical part of our capitalism. We are rich, powerful and resourceful enough to solve all our problems and build a utopia of equality, safety and health here but in a year we would collapse. What fuels the USD is the chase and insecurity of the masses. Its been the way since the first wave of immigrants. Its fully rigged and if we have to tariff Chinese EV 300% and drag our feet with EV infrastructure to slow this down we will.

[@EVPHASE]

Already have Tesla Model 3's new and used

[@o0bananaman0o]

Was great to chat with you at the Zeekr launch 😁 just to clarify for people in the comments $27k drive away was offered at GWM Wanneroo and Morley for brand new (non demo) MY23 Ora Cats, this is with the WA government EV grant of $3,500 factored in. The MY23 stock was selling quick, so there's probably none left at the release of this video, definitely worth calling them up though to see what they might still have

[@garylab7934]

Yep, Wanneroo GWM is where I bought mine

[@wss29-4sf0]

Hi Sam, for that price I buy one tomorrow. But here in Victoria the drive away prices for the Ora are $ 33,990, $ 34,990 for extended range and $ 41,990 for GT version. All are current 2024 models new and valid until end of month. Just visited the dealership. I have seen that often on your videos that prices you quoted have no relation to the actual price in dealerships.

[@maiakk-music]

Sam looks on sites like Carsales. If there's a location elsewhere for several thousand dollars less and I needed the car now, I'd be planning a holiday! Fly to the car then drive it home, be a bit of a tourist. It would be like buying a car and a holiday and still have a few thousand saved in your pocket. 😀

[@wss29-4sf0]

@@maiakk-music a lot is involved buying a car interstate and transfer registration and driving it home

[@isstuff]

@@wss29-4sf0 can you drive a city EV in say 300km hops across the nulabore plain? it may be worth it to have it stuck on a train. sounds perfect as a second car if it is doing the house battery. My idea is the Australian government sets up a incentive to knock $2000 off the price if they can do V2G and also have a way to convert the car battery into a static battery after it is retired as a car. Australia will be swimming in power storage before Dutton's Nucellar power plant's finish date, (and 10 years before it will actually be finished)

[@Alex-l6d1f]

I love the Ora. So cute and nice interior It’s a fun car with a character Well done Sam and SAIC

[@garylab7934]

SAIC is MG. Ora is manufactured by GWM.

[@daemoncan2364]

Need to mandate at work charging. That way you can stuff electrons into the car during the solar peak, then pull them back out once the driver arrives back home and plugs in for the night.

[@thyristo]

Actually you don't stuff electrons in but you separate the charges by forcing the already existing electrons to one side. And when you "use the battery" this charge separation in the cells vanishes and both sides of the cells are at an equilibrium aka: "empty".

[@daemoncan2364]

@@thyristo Figure of speech (I'm no Ewan McTurk).

[@Pokersmith]

Who pays for the at work chargers? They aren't free and the cost should be passed on to user's not everyone.

[@daemoncan2364]

@@Pokersmith Each employee given an RFID card who tops it up at their discretion. No different from public charging, but at more reasonable rates as the employer does not need to turn a profit on the endeavor (just pay for actual electricity consumed as well as necessary maintenance).

[@brandon-hh7jf]

One thing that's overlooked about EVs is that if there is a wider war in the ME or even perhaps in Europe, as we import all our petrol and oil in Australia petrol will be expensive and rationed. Having an EV is a good insurance policy.....there will be a massive scramble to buy EVs in that event.

[@robertimrie3710]

With this scenario in 2019 I figured government would requisition my EV for essential services. In 2024 its more likely petrol car nutters would just throw rocks at EVs out of jealousy and it would not be safe to go out. Basically a major war interrupting fuel supplies would be bad for everyone, let alone supply chains.

[@copaloadofthis]

Even a plug-in Hybrid would work if the ME goes pear-shaped..

[@copaloadofthis]

@@Itsokay.nottobeokaaaay let’s hope not…

[@henrylawson430]

If there is any war with China on the other side, Chinese networked EVs will be a security risk.

[@frinkfronk9198]

Wouldn't getting parts for cars made entirely by companies based in China be an equally precarious position if some kind of geo political crises were to occur. Say for example a war/cold war or a trade war.

[@politics102]

Brought an ora extended range for 36000 a year ago. Could get it 10 grand cheaper now, but I have had 12 months with no fuel costs so it is about break even. As for Dutton's nuclear power plant, it only starts if we are stupid enough to vote for another delay in the power transition. My view, the Liberals have allready done enough damage.

[@trojanthedog]

Nuclear will save us from the zero emissions delusion.

[@alexandert4463]

Right?? They just want to drag coal out as long as they can. If nuclear ever was an option for us, it's in the past now and too late. We have solutions available to us now that are able to be stood up much faster and scaled up over time. I really hope not too many people are foolish enough to fall for the nuclear scam. 2037 (likely pushing to 2040) before even one single plant is TURNED ON, let alone up and running at maximum/optimal capacity is INSANE! We need cleaner energy now, not in 15+ years' time.

[@doobtom271]

That's what's holding me back a bit from buying a new EV. Price drops n better cars always around the corner 😂 but then again you get to enjoy earlier 🎉

[@davidpenlington2753]

@@doobtom271 The Osborn effect!

[@lambertgiang]

Can't agree more 👍

[@brandon-hh7jf]

The GWM Ora can be a cheap car to buy (usually $34k aud) but it is nicely made and appointed with modern retro stylish looks.

[@F1Barry]

We have 6.5kw of solar panels and a Tesla Powerwall 2 and are $3500 in credit. This credit is growing every day now. Today we exported 24.5 KWhr as we do almost every day during summer.

[@gibbonsdp]

V2G is a very big deal from the grid's perspective, given the enormous storage resource it represents. In Australia, during extreme demand peaks the wholesale electricity price will reach its cap of A$16.6/kwh , valuing the contents of a typical 40kwh EV battery at A$660. So although the grid would likely drawn on V2G only rarely, it will pay handsomely for it. And with V2H your EV removes the need for a $15k home battery. The overall impact on EV ownership economics will be quite dramatic.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Copy and paste this comment often. Too much ignorance in the population.

[@corindikevcorindikev]

I have a MG 4 Essence 64. It has V2L (vehicle to load) & if you buy the MG V2L cable will only deliver 10 amps of AC power. The cars inverter though can deliver 32 amps of AC power which at 230 volts is 7.4 kW. This is adequate for home use unless you are using an electric oven and cooktop flat out at the same time along with an old fashioned immersion electric water heater. So to enable the MG4 to be able to provide power to the home (V2H) or to the grid (V2G) you just need a type 2 cable and the connections to your distribution board with the appropriate V2H or V2G software. The GWM Ora can charge or discharge at 11kW only if you have 3 phase power, otherwise the maximum is 7.4kW. The majority of homes have single phase supply & getting an additional 2 phases installed is very expensive. The original Oras did not have V2L capability

[@nickpapadatos7587]

Hey Sam I checked with the dealership, the Ora is not yet available with the VTG technology nor is any of the BYD EVs. I would consider one (Ora) purely as a second car powering the house as you mentioned. I also have installed a 15KW solar system but am not getting the output generation I was expecting... I've installed the Ocular EV carger and am pretty happy with that - they also have a great support.

[@DaxVJacobson]

In California you can't get an on-line system that is bigger than the home power usage, I think it's like 80% of usage, to get a solar system like you have would require we go off-line off-grid, I was able to cheat the system by using tons of power running my servers in my apartment then when I bought a house I had years of high power usage history and bills so I could then cover my entire small roof with solar and in fact they had to not use one panel because a pipe was in the way, so I'm 1 panel short of having 100% legal coverage on my roof (have to leave room for walking around them in case of fire) I have 36 panels 9KW with a single 7.5 KW inverter (it's fine because all the panels don't get full sun at the same time most of the time, it might have hit 100% a few times the first summer but not since, due to lack of rain and living in range of forest fire smoke and two oil refineries.

[@PeterPanQuails]

The price quoted was for a used car, albeit with a low mileage.

[@DeannaVanVelsen-jh7ys]

I got my Ora extended range demo model new for $33400 a few months ago

[@waynethefridgemanosborne8984]

GWM. ORA is a great little car . We have had one for 3 months now. What a surprising little car . Mainly solar charging or 8c overnight charge. Even have there own Facebook page. Keep smiling everyone

[@nerdbikes3841]

Rivian has stated that their vehicles are set up to V2G, however the standards have not been set yet and this capability has not been enabled yet. There are rumors it will be resolved soon with inverters hitting the market early 2025, but we will see about that.

[@jasonjarvis7623]

There is a WA rebate built into the drive away price, so you should add $ 3500 to the end cost.

[@yk-vp6ry]

Japan govt bringing in BYD vehicles for vehicles to grid , can do away with thoughts on nuclear power unless there is no sunlight where you live

[@undisclosedthai]

Japan gov or politicians seems to have no or less sinophobia (in this case, sinoelectroautophobia) while many people still having it.

[@tomesplin4130]

I was thinking of getting a Tesla Powerwall, but the price per kWh turned me off. A low-cost EV with 60kWh battery as our second car / local run-around to sit mostly in the garage and power our house is a good plan. I’m awaiting the regulations to be set in place first. I don’t mind waiting 12-18 months before acting.

[@davidtaylor6870]

Thanks for this video, you do make a case for using the EV, as a home battery(V2G), considering the cost and install of a home battery. But, I am unable to find "that" pricing , anywhere. The starting prices are over $35K. I am retired, and still not in my price range. But this concept V2G is worth considering.

[@joelopic]

$33,990 is the cheapest extended range i can find in Victoria Australia today. Where did this dude get it for 27k. That's Aussie dollars for all you internationals which is 21.6k U.S

[@TB-up4xi]

2022 & 2023 demonstrators in WA.

[@garylab7934]

If you live in Western Australia you can get one from the dealers for $29,980, then apply for the WA EV rebate ($3500) and it costs you $26,480.

[@chrisyoung1821]

Solar even works in Canada😎

[@roborobo02]

Good to hear there is some thinking going on here in Australia at last. It makes sense to use an EV in the power supply mix. Your view on Dutton is correct Sam. That mob will never see it. Dutton will try to do to the energy sector the same as his outfit (TurnbullAbbott) did to the Internet here in Australia. That is to BIAU. Question please::: where do you buy this $24K Ora car here????

[@earlpainter2143]

This won't work if you don't have solar panels on your home? If I put energy into the grid , then my car has no charge? Then I need to charge the car again?

[@JuliusFawcett]

when the penny drops and I realise that solar panels with a funky cat are my lifestyle goals V2G baby!

[@buixote]

Wallbox , and dcbel are two others working on V2G hardware

[@GilsonDoVale]

I actually like watching his comments and videos. In addition, it is a good documentary about the future of the grid. However, this is almost misleading information about the price for us to watch and investigate that is not the actual price to go to a dealer and buy it. Please don’t be one more of the fishing KZbinrs.

[@garylab7934]

If you live in Western Australia you can get one from the dealers for $29,980, then apply for the WA EV rebate ($3500) and it costs you $26,480.

[@GilsonDoVale]

@ I’m talking about QLD mate!

[@donwinston]

This guy needs a new recliner. Someone get him one for xmas.

[@johnpej122]

Unfortunately, the only state in Australia where v2g or v2h is legal is SA. So it's the state government and your cars capability which stops us using your car as a house battery

[@CharlesFarrugiaFineArt]

I can't find any at that price. Can you be more specific as to what dealers are selling new Auras for about 10 grand below list in the eastern states???

[@bigrobsydney]

Sam, question: what do you do when this EV is out and about? You still need to have a grid connection, so the ability to completely disconnect from the grid isnt there. And that may well be the point; if people understand they will still be tied to the grid with this car, great. However, there are levels to this discussion. You can get a second hand Nissan Leaf 40kw pack, and use that as the basis for a Powerwall for very little money. An overall powerwall solution that can completely remove you from the grid can be built for under $10,000 Australian. Add one of these vehicles AS WELL, and you're laughing.

[@politics102]

If your out and about obviously the car is not connected to the grid. I don't think putting your batteries on wheels is a good idea, but that is what it is about.

[@mzmadman]

Sam, great story many thanks, I have installed PV on my house (10kW and storage 27kWh, I export 40 kWH on a good day after charging my batteries) and have no power bill for the majority of the year. I am happy but the amount of export energy I'm sending back to the grid is out of control. So I was actually thinking of a Nissan Leaf as a second car but the Ora looks like a much better choice for only a little more money. I am a retired Energy Consultant and the V2G has been around for a while but as you say only recently approved for use in OZ but the chargers have always been the achillies heal I hope that Amibox and Similar is going to export to OZ, there is another retailer selling a similar unit out of VIC but also similar money. Why on earth would you send your energy back to the Energy Retail Vultures to make a 600% profit off the energy you produced. Fill up the car's battery so you can drive locally without worries and then sell the excess back to the Grid.

[@annabel5200]

That's the catch. The $8K for the box! Why so expensive?. Seems like another price gouge, as with the inflated cost of home batteries per kWh. if the same function can be included in an EV for $2K, the boxes at $8K looks like a rip off, that the average person probably won't be able to afford anyway. Have to instead wait for the EVs with inbuilt V2G capability.

[@SparkySho]

Good plan

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Customers will rapidly charge for 5 hours from rooftop PV and Customers Trickle feed the grid 24 hours.

[@ddd11333]

How does this work for those renting?

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Nuclear MUST RUN 247 for mechanical reasons. France has been dumping electricity across its borders to protect its nuclear electricity fleet.

[@michaelkao2094]

But currently do we have the reverse charger available in Australia?

[@simon-c2y]

I like tge ora for its interior but the byd cars, relying purely on LFP batteries, means i can buy any trim level without compromising on having the lowest possible fire risk. I know, fires are so rare etc - but still.

[@Sendu7]

Interesting. Large solar panel system + smallish house battery + EV with V2G = no more fuel costs, low car service costs, and probably make some money selling electricity. A interest only loan of $60K would cost a bit over $4K annually to service. The average Australian household annually spends $2K for electricity, $1.5K on fuel, $0.9K car servicing.

[@abdulnasar4697]

Nissan leaf, made in the UK

[@apterachallenge]

Well no, Sam the GWM Ora costs AUD$33900 which is USD$21480 not USD$15000. Go to the back of the class.

[@nick1f]

It is called a DC to AC inverter.

[@terryp6396]

can you imagine.... 50 years in the future people worried that it's winter... they might have ti do load shedding..... nit summer for aircons.. but winter.. that would be odd

[@fanfuntherapy6866]

I wonder if you would void the warranty?

[@lostwanderingdrifter]

It still is among the expensive ones in the Philippines. The low end and high end versions aren’t exactly that good with their range considering their prices.

[@Harrybollox]

I’m looking forward to V2H but only V2G if the rate we earn is way more than current feed in tariffs. Otherwise I’ll keep my V2 to myself

[@euanwillis1525]

I think he meant for people with amber wholesale price where the sell rates are in at least teens. and you can buy power for almost free in the day you can check your state wholesale price online if you are interested

[@Harrybollox]

@ yes thanks, I’m banking on enticing sell rates being available when I finally get a V2x ev , well actually the government and the power companies are banking on me feeding them power more so

[@ozviking8052]

In NSW the price is AUD 32500 for the cheapest model AFAICS. $24k ?

[@georgegibson707]

He is talking about used models, but only about 1 year old (2023 models)

[@alexandert4463]

Yeah, I found the same, and that's the 48 kWH model, not the 60 kWH that he's talking about in the video. So I'm not sure where 26k is being done at? Either way, it's good to see more affordability.

[@alexandert4463]

@@georgegibson707 oh that makes sense. Still quite good.

[@z.italiatajason1933]

In us you can buy Kia soul for 21000. It is a great deal my friend

[@z.italiatajason1933]

Pretax

[@marks42]

Great article, BUT you really need a battery and a V2G capable car. While that car is out you have no place for your solar to go and at night you have no power except from the grid. If you have the battery as well (I am talking Tesla PowerWall) that has build in inverter all you have are solar panels, Battery and Car. You are covered 24hrs a day no issues but you need Car and battery capable of 10Kw output. I have a Tesla PowerWall 2 it ‘s great but I cannot run the whole house from the battery (only 5Kw output), but with our modest 12:31 home 4.4kw solar system we can run the house ~97% on solar for 9 months a year and over the whole year about 80% here in Perth Western Australia, we love this system it really works it’s not perfect though. A bigger system say 6.6-10Kw solar and the V2G car + PowerWall 3 would be perfect for most homes >97% run on solar all year around. The last bit is very difficult as the system needs to check the Grid is still there so it does need to use some power if you want to keep the grid for backup and export that could earn you a lot of money when they enable it. Just my thoughts.👍😊

[@maiakk-music]

My partner has worked in commercial solar and is very practised on setting houses up for solar as well. He's also quite frugal, so we're arranging batteries from Kings - approx $3,500 for 15 kW output. Says Tesla powerwalls not worth it. We're gonna have batteries here regardless of EV (we have AirBnBs here and live in FNQ where power outages in summer are frequent, so I'm sure guests would not be thrilled if we drove off for the day with the only battery! 🤣) We're waiting a bit longer before buying an EV coz we need something bigger anyways.

[@alexandert4463]

The drive away price I see on their website is $33,490 for the 420km range one. And that's using an ABN? Must have gone to a really cheap dealer?

[@aussie405]

ABN Australian Business Number

[@TB-up4xi]

The ones in WA are for 2022 and 2023 demonstrators not new , even when you configure one from the website the car will be build on or before August 2023 - GWM stopped bringing them into the country over a year ago

[@alexandert4463]

@@aussie405 oh, I wasn't asking what an ABN was, I was rather wondering if that's the price using an ABN, without one must be more expensive or not eligible for the discount.

[@dominicwild3189]

MG4 51kWh Excite is $33k now drive away but only has 2.2kW V2L if batt is over 50%.

[@twilinski1]

As of December 2024, the GWM ORA EV models, including the Funky Cat, do not support Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) capabilities. According to the Australian Electric Vehicle Association, these vehicles lack functionalities such as Vehicle-to-Load (V2L), Vehicle-to-Home (V2H), and V2G.

[@kevinwong3722]

So are these substation batteries to power our power hungry primary industries

[@undisclosedthai]

in Thailand, the Ora Good Cat is not as inexpensive as 15000 USD.

[@johnhedge1429]

also what is its charging output for homes?

[@grahamwatson3049]

Hey Sam...can you please explain to me how if you discharge the EV battery into the grid, then you need to recharge the car again afterwards...so how is that financially viable? Does the Electricity provider pay more for what you give it than what they charge you to recharge?

[@wss29-4sf0]

If you use the car as a battery, you charge it during the day with the excess the house does not need and at night you power the house with the car battery. Simple. Sam has a large solar setup to do that even on days the air-conditioner is used during the day. But you need another car if you work away from home.

[@politics102]

You can use your solar power to charge your car or export it to the grid and get 4.7 cents and falling. If you car can be discharged to the grid then at night instead of importing from the grid you discharge you car.

[@mydogsbutler]

You just wait Sam Trump say oil and ICE is the future. Must be true. Trump agrees he's a genius.

[@RSX007]

Bring these kinda cars to North America AND Canada I want to see the Xiami Su7 and Zeeker 007 No moronic replies.

[@eliso5973]

not going to happen

[@RSX007]

@@eliso5973k bud If you don’t anything meaningful to say don’t waste our time

[@SzaszaG1]

These cars are too good, GM and Fird can not compete

[@amaslam111]

You can have them but for now you'll pay double because of tariffs

[@thewolf9851]

Why?

[@netsiteing]

Will prices continue to fall in early 2025?

[@unclepete100]

Why doesn’t anybody want to purchase a Nissan Leaf? Could you expand on that? Cheers

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Grid owners will have to keep every customer to supply industrial customers moving away from fossil fuels.

[@MartinLV.]

👍👍👍

[@878Docto]

Can't they make a basic car with fewer options that are less prone to fail?

[@b.w.1386]

I'm in Canada- OUR EV SELECTION SUUUUUCKS!

[@fryske.tynster]

dit your xpeng also have vehicle to grid? nah i dint think so either. tesla and byd alr have it build in and a lot of solar comp alr have it build in like solar edge and sma

[@ematejowsky]

I own a long range 2023 Ora. Good hardware but firmware sucks. The Aussie version seems crippled. No native voice commands. No internet access. No app. Driver monitoring doesn't work but I don't want it anyway. Safety features are annoying and can't be permanently disabled. Also the cruise control doesn't use regen. Overall it is a nice car to drive. I think I get better than 420K range. I manage just fine with 6KW of off-grid solar. I paid $39K for mine in June 24.

[@jom4223]

Why would you put Australia’s cheapest ev car price in usd?

[@clacton17]

ORA alot more here in the UK. I understand in China you can buy an ORA for about £10.000. By the time it's arrived here in UK, it now costs £30.000+. Australian Govt is very forward thinking compared to the UK Govt, they talk about Building 1.5 million homes, but don't insist that every new home has Solar panels and Heat pump heating??? I want to buy an EV, but here in UK it's to expensive and no smaller EV's just massive SUV's built for the American market. Just had a look guys. In the UK ORA Cat with big battery is nearly A$ 70.000.

[@chopinmack5418]

Nuclear plant can be built in 10 - 15 years . EV's to Grid should be available in 1-2 years and support 700% of the power required of Australia . Ask Dutton if he really need 7 Nuclear plants ( or Nuclear Bombs only ) ?

[@joelmccoy6474]

The grid isn’t set up to have 100’s of thousands of little home electricity exporters. It’s always made to seem much easier than what it is.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Australia is in Sahara Desert latitudes.

[@michaelholland8693]

8:36 "It is 4.235mm." Is this a car for ants?

[@jeffcorkill68]

Viking, cheapest in Australia I could find in a new Ora was 32k, Are you talking about used ones? I found a used one for 27k with 17000kms on it.....Thats the cheapest

[@bass9901]

I don't understand why all the West have duties of 30 to 100% for the US and Canada and in Australia the Chinese ev easily enters

[@davidboskett5581]

Australia does not have a car industry anymore -all the car manufacturers have closed down so there is no local industry to protect .The same situation applies to NZ which also has an FTA with China

[@mikebocchinfuso9437]

It's because the corporate controlled government doesn't want cheap and good products in.

[@wss29-4sf0]

Australia used to have duties when we had a car industry, but the Liberals, when in power, killed that industry. Now the Liberals want to impose 100% duties on the Chinese cars only to follow American requests. Hope the Libs never get to power again.

[@pauldingwall9600]

So you leave the car at home to charge the battery to power the house and catch the bus to work. This is a silly idea for 90 percent of people.

[@SaintKimbo]

Also paying $50,000 for an EV/solar set up to save $2000 a year in power bills that will take 25 years to break even, if in the unlikely case that it lasts that long, isn't exactly a financial brilliance, either.

[@jackiedines5229]

Batteries for homes are absolute rip offs. No doubt.

[@victorsvoice7978]

Electric cars are overpriced in Australia. It's because of greedy importers and government taxes. No taxes on electric cars.

[@doobtom271]

There is shipping cost n tax, importers don't run charity 😂

[@WillAH956]

R U related to Klaus?

[@knowone353]

Ok, this isn't making much sense to me. It's going to cost me more to charge my car than what I'm going to get back if I sell it (I pay 28c /kw and receive 8c/kw feed in). If the current plan (for NSW) is that the government is relying on people who own EVs to re-power the grid, how are they supposed to charge their cars when they're effectively using them, or away for their house, when it is being charged? This plan has more holes than Swiss Cheese. There's about 12k EVs in NSW, if the plan is to have half of new car sales be EVs by 2030, how are they going to have the power to charge them? Is the government going to ration power? There's talk about that already for this summer. Am I missing something? This sounds like, robbing Peter to pay Paul. Maybe Bowen has a plan that I don't know about.

[@SaintKimbo]

Agreed, the net zero cult has always been a bit loose with the details, it's like a religion. It also exposes the dishonesty with the cost of net zero, as a rough example, 5 million homes spending $50,000 for an EV and a solar set up for V2G, is $300 BILLION, which Bowen, AEMO and the CSIRO, conveniently, DON'T put in their costings for the green dream. The Suckers spend $50,000 for the 'cheap' electricity, which at an average savings of $2000 a year on power bills, means it will take 25 years to break even, but at that stage they probably would have had to replace the the whole system, at least once, so it's not the sweet deal that it's being made out to be. Buy a reliable used ICE car for $10,000 get some solar panels and you'll be way ahead.

[@patrickspader4062]

@@knowone353 Yes the ALP hasn’t thought this through.!! You are getting pretty low electricity price and feed in rates who is your provider?

[@dominicwild3189]

The subtitles are crazy and are talking about a charger costing $100,000!

[@johnhedge1429]

$26990 for what year? The cheapest I can find is approx. $35k for '23!

[@grahamkearnon6682]

Amusing to think the Yanks cant get to buy all these modern, cheap vehicle's because they live 'free', such numb nuts!

[@thewolf9851]

They get to buy other modern and cheap vehicles which are even better

[@warheadsnation]

@@thewolf9851 The average auto sold in America is like US$40,000. And I don't think fossilmobiles are modern or better. They're all armored personnel carriers here.

[@thewolf9851]

@warheadsnation Why does it matter that the average price is 40 000? They're not fossilmobiles. They're called internal combustion engine vehicles. And they're better.

[@SaintKimbo]

That's because they (the US) want to protect the local car manufacturers that employ millions of Workers, that, surprise, surprise, cannot compete with Chinese Government subsidised car manufacturers that can sell cars at a loss.

[@raypalmer7733]

While V2x looks like a good deal, we have to remember if you drive it then you loose the V2x functionality.

[@johnasbury4997]

I think ev makers are flat missing the market. Design a no frills capable off roader with a big battery and a built in solar controller. Let the ev serve as a complete power station for an off grid home We know it wont be able to power air conditioning or a clothing dryer butt a water well pump , lighting , a small refrigerator, ect... Instead of be portrayed as a means of control, it could be a way to personal freedom . Maybe market it with a tiny home? My personal thoughts but a Chinese manufacturer facing incredible competition might find a way to deliver a home and vehicle for about 100,000 usd add land and a well... septic and honey I'm home

[@waynefergusson9987]

Who is it in the New Zealand Government and associated vehicle agency ' responsible for working hard to kill their future EV's industry ?

[@thewolf9851]

Toyota Aygo X, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Prius, Renault Clio, Dacia Sandero, Dacia Logan, Dacia Duster are all in the same price range and all much better cars

[@warheadsnation]

Well, here in America a Corolla would probably run at least US$22,000. And the Prius a lot more than that.

[@joeyp1927]

Awesome! A pretty cool EV that can power my house for just fifteen grand? I'm getting it....wait a minute, I'm in the U.S. Thanks a lot, Biden...Trump

[@jinnantonix4570]

V2G is a stupid idea. Most people will not want their car battery drained during the evening peak, because they will want to use their car the next day.

[@JohnathanMartindale]

I thought i knew a lot, it seems i know little, (1) i thought EV's took electricity from the grid to charge the battery, if they put charge back to the grid won't that flatten the batteries, where will that power come from (2) as i am on my own, i recently sold the house to downsize my life (humungus mistake) i bought an apartment, now i realize if the government insist on making EV's the law, i can't own one because i have no where cheaply to charge, then i look around at all the high rise apartments being built in Sydney, where will they charge. UmmmAhhh

[@pr5991]

Ora is 32k drive away not 26k

[@surfer123au]

The future of energy is this .... Because of Australian Government 😂😂😂 Unless China, EU or US set the same standards absolutely nothing will happen in regards to equipment standards, economy of scale, lower prices, ...

[@OasisAmps]

This is what our app is designed to do, encouraging people to get off the grid and earn income.

[@simmo8u]

Interesting SA RENEWABLES MOST EXPENSIVE. GERMANY went green they are screwed France has nuclear no problems. Petrol is expensive because governments tax it, they will start taxing o by the kilometre

[@Fritsvrolijk]

Zaptec is coming with a v2g charger for les than 1000 dollar

[@julesmoto9022]

Link?

[@skylershank9309]

Build cheap...sell cheap. The build quality and reliability issues will continue.

[@davidpenlington2753]

Not like BMW/Audi/Mercedes Build cheap sell expensive reliability sucks.

[@skylershank9309]

@davidpenlington2753 I agree

[@EverH0p3]

Saying the grid will be powered by you is misleading. You can only say that it will contribute to your local 'residential / light industry' 240V grid. The Voltage output is too low from V2G. Transporting power is lossy. It requires higher voltage at the source, which loses voltage along its journey. V2G has to output at local grid voltage, it would blow your appliances if the house next door was outputting higher voltage. It will stabilise your local grid and reduce peak power demands but it will all be within the 'local' area that is supplied by your substation. The investment and infrastructure required to convert low 240V voltage from V2G up to higher Voltages required to send power distance or supply local industry (that requires much higher voltage) requires a lot of infrastructure upgrades. That may come but it will take time and a hell of a lot of $. It will be horribly complicated to manage because supply from wind and solar is far from constant but the grid has to supply constant, reliable voltage. The net contribution of these systems is a fraction of the actual demand. The future is bright buts its further off than many understand.

[@joe2mercs]

The biggest hurdle to vehicle to grid (V2G) is the safety of electrical contractors. When there is a fault on the grid it is easily isolated so that it is safe to work on. However if there are multiple batteries feeding into the grid then it is still live even when the primary generators are disconnected.

[@politics102]

Clearly you do know what the standards say. V2G required at least one active method to detect grid failure. Think man there are already millions of solar inverters feeding te grid, why are they not electrocuting electricians.

[@mickharris7980]

so i charge my ev from the grid so i can put the energy back into the grid ?

[@joelopic]

I think you charge it from your solar panels during daylight and then use it to power your home at night. So you need solar panels first which are around 10 to 15k . Then you need the Ora which is in reality around 32k. So now you have spent 47k and can power your house at night.

[@农夫山泉-j7j]

yes, that's bidirection.

[@mickharris7980]

​@@农夫山泉-j7j you didnt it 🤔

[@SaintKimbo]

Yes, as long as you've got plenty of solar and don't need your car during the day, you're alright. The average power bill for households in Aus is about $2000, so spend $50,000 on a solar/EV set up and it will take you 25 years to break even, that's if you don't have to replace it during that time, which you probably will. It's a sweet deal.