Australian professor on why NZ shouldn't join AUKUS | Q+A 2024

[@simongregory3114]

The most compelling reason is there's no good place for N and Z to fit into that acronym

[@symphorosayee3118]

America, Nz, Uk, Straya = ANUS

[@TarulWarlord]

Yah, France didn't join it cause the alliance name would have been Fuck-us. 😂😂😂

[@petertan_sg]

Australia New-Zealand United States. ANUS.

[@saltymonke3682]

ANZUKUS

[@jemma_19988]

If russia joined aukus and aussie left would be a rukus

[@gooseypig84]

lol!

[@dan7564]

if France joined it'd be Faukus

[@SwOoPy287]

if you want enemies.. which NZ does not need because we are no threat..

[@chrisc2671]

It’s not how it works buddy. Ukraine wasn’t a threat to Russia, Tibet wasn’t a threat to China, Kuwait wasn’t a threat to Iraq.

[@williamearnshaw410]

LMAO.... defenseless imbeciles...

[@dna9838]

That attitude deserves for those doing the heavy lifting in the defence of global democracy to leave NZ at the mercy of an increasingly assertive China hungry for control, resources, and influence. Hopefully most Kiwis respect their own proud history of doing their bit too much to let themselves be sidelined in the difficult world situations that are on the way.

[@SwOoPy287]

@@dna9838 we trade well with China.. AUKUS can go and intimidate and create war with foreign countries on their own.. China only ask of food from us.. soon we can sell with our own currency or gold instead of the US dollar which is much better for us.

[@MrThartofwar]

Relying on American system and alliance is a death wish, those very same systems has the potential to be used against New Zealand, due to America weaponising those systems, hence America uses blackmail to get there way, nz should be independent, American goals are not New Zealand goals.

[@lightforce3642]

100%

[@Club98000]

dinosaur thinking

[@stevewhan7308]

The reason you have the freedom to decide when to take the garbage out is entirely dependent on the ‘rules based order’. The reason that the rules based order has existed in the IndoPacific is due to the US. The reason we are as secure as we are ultimately rests with the US 7th Fleet. A peer competitor to NZ defence capability & NZ trade security is a single Chinese coast guard ship.

[@MrThartofwar]

@@stevewhan7308 how is it that the US doesn’t abide by its own rules, and exempts itself when it suits them? For instance Americans with the help of the British invaded Iraq based on lies, destroying civilian infrastructure with a million civilians killed as a direct result of there own actions, yet no consequences? Any other country that even attempts to take similar actions for their own security, they are instantly demonised! You may like following rules set by hypocrites, but I don’t :) That so called rule based order is currently complicit to Israeli genocide! Where is the protection of innocent women and children in Palestine? The US based rules is dominated over there, yet under there rules, genocide and war crimes is being committed, and Israel is allowed to continue with impunity, no thanks, these rules are deliberately being used to expand American influence, who want kiwis to come fight there war protecting Israeli genocide, don’t believe me, then why has our government sent our military to support Americans war against the Houthis/yemen? A country that openly declared war on Israel to stop its genocide! No kiwi should be sacrificing their lives for Israeli genocide!

[@shaivahnparsons3244]

Typical isolated, outdated NZ mindset. NZ entirely relies on the US led alliance to secure its trade routes, remain a democracy without being bullied around by regional powers like China, all without contributing anything much in terms of defence capabilities. Stay isolated and remain backwards.

[@Bbee_16]

The U.S is looking at Australia as a Support Base of Operations in providing a facility outside of the U.S where repairs or refits of their vessels can be carried out. How does this benefit Australia, it doesn't benefit it at all.

[@markbeale7390]

So a supportive military alliance with our ANZUS partners has no benefits to Australia ?????????

[@exluvrx]

usa pretty much owns aus and looking at our health sector its gonna be us pretty soon thanks to that bald idiot, compare any thing he has ever said to david lange and he sounds like a 5 year old.

[@LunaticTheCat]

What a braindead comment.

[@Emanicas]

Could be a lot of jobs for Australians

[@JaydenWilliams-my1br]

@@Emanicas But at what cost? Selling off your sovereignty isn't the answer.

[@lightforce3642]

We should be neutral ,join the BRICS economic alliance , along with ,Malyasia , Indonesia,Thailand, they are our present and future trading partners, not the US who puts tariffs on our products. The rest of the world is heading for a multipolar economy away from US hegemony.

[@lukehughes7689]

Aline NZ with Russia and China???? Ok, Ask the people of Ukraine what there opinion on Russia is. Ask the Uyghers and the people of Tibet how working with the Chinese has worked for them, oh wait you cant because there all either dead or in internment camps. The Russian economy is on its last legs and the Chinese economy is on a downhill spiral with its housing market and youth unemployment. I dont know why NZ doesnt take the swiss and swedish approach to things, play before sides while reinvisting into our country

[@pblchldy8082]

​@@lukehughes7689have you actually been to Russia or do you get all your sources from Tik Tok? I recently came back from traveling around Europe and went to Moscow out of curiosity. Have to admit Moscow was the best city I visited in all of Europe. The safety and level of hospitality is on another level I have never experienced before.....I can assure you Russia is doing extremely well financially and the general public are not phased by political bullshit. You also have 0 understanding on the complexity of the situation in Ukraine since you are clearly uneducated I recommend you do your homework a little bit and start studying about the Slavic culture from 08. You will be very surprised what you will learn. China on the other hand is the biggest leading country in economies in terms of exports and importation. They are still leading in this area to say they are going downhill is an uneducated guess. If you think for a second our country will benefit from the inflationary US dollar and Euro then you must enjoy being mediocre and poor. I for most hand would prefer we buy oil and gas from Russia since the costs are almost half of what we pay from US. Just imagine filling up your car for half the price of what you pay for today. I don't care about politics I care about my family and myself living a comfortable life here in New Zealand and the US has only lead us into more shit every year in result leading to our dollar getting weaker and weaker by the month. Please educate yourself before making yourself look like a clown.

[@lightforce3642]

@@lukehughes7689 If you do some research other than the Main stream media. Ukraine started shelling the Russian speaking Donbas and Luhaske part of Ukraine in 2016 killing 15 thousand ethnic Russian, after the US backed coup of the democratically elected government was overthrown. The AZOV neo nazi battalions of the Ukraine army were responsible. China has had a property bubble that burst as is starting to happen in NZ, but they produce most of the products in the world and are our biggest trading partner. The US has stared more was, Korea,Vietnam,Iraq, Afghanistan,Lybia, Yogslavia and now Ukraine. Killed millions of people.

[@Ske4444]

Agreed

[@jimmyjames7529]

You must of forgot about the tariffs that China put on Australian products for no valid reason

[@TonyMcentee-k2h]

NO. NEVER. Don't drag NZ into unjust conflicts. Enough colonial damage was done here in the past. Never get involved effectively with western colonialism. The lies the US/UK have told the world with NO accountability is immense.

[@damolux3388]

So you'd prefer the Chinese to come and colonise? Yes, bad things happened in the past with British imperialism. But if you think China has no interest in dominating the region you're living in lala land.

[@jemma_19988]

Colonialism is when you read te reo

[@rexharrison6827]

@@damolux3388 How many countries has China outright colonised since 1949? None. By way of contrast how many nations has the USA undermined, bombed, invaded, and financially ruined in that same period? The latest examples are Libya and Ukraine. It's actively encouraging Israel's genocide in Palestine, using Israel as a bulwark against the Middle East, which will fail, as will using Ukraine as a proxy against Russia. The USA will fight to the last Israeli and the last Ukrainian. The USA is nobody's friend and it's perfectly obvious what its intentions are with Australia - you're the next Ukraine, after one of its senile presidents declares a war it cannot win.

[@TonyMcentee-k2h]

I deal in facts. 1milion dead/disabled, for life, Ukrainians for US/EUROPEAN exploitation of most corrupt govt in Europe. Don't mention the Palestinians who have been slaughtered with total US compliance. Eyes wide shut is not my philosophy of life. P.S. Remind me again which country did China last invade? Compare Uncle Sam's roles in Korea/vietnam/iraq/syria/Afghanistan/too many to count destroyed legitimate to count govts in central/south America. Don't get me started on Africa. How's your list of Chinese countries going?

[@tumeke4328]

Exactly, Tautoko!

[@kjmax1068]

No AUKUS for NZ. Stop alliance with USA.

[@feesullivan3439]

You’d prefer China ???

[@nzsolel5284]

​@feesullivan3439 how about stay independent like what we did in the last decades.

[@feesullivan3439]

@@nzsolel5284 sadly the world has changed.

[@pokies100]

The crown minerals of the pacific would pay off the entire USA debt two or three times over conservatively. As we know from nature there are natural imperfections. “These natural impurities are evil qualities: anger, lust, worldliness, pride, lying, hypocrisy, fraud, self-love, etc. Man cannot free himself from the rage of the carnal passions except by the help of the Holy Spirit.” - 'Abdu'l-Bahá, Some Answered Questions, p. 92 Name 25 others :These natural impurities are evil qualities: anger, lust, worldliness, pride, lying, hypocrisy, fraud, self-love, etc. Here are 25 additional natural impurities or evil qualities: 1. Greed 2. Envy 3. Gluttony 4. Sloth 5. Wrath 6. Vanity 7. Arrogance 8. Jealousy 9. Resentment 10. Bitterness 11. Malice 12. Cowardice 13. Deceitfulness 14. Stubbornness 15. Ingratitude 16. Disobedience 17. Cruelty 18. Avarice 19. Spitefulness 20. Intolerance 21. Manipulativeness 22. Selfishness 23. Impatience 24. Recklessness 25. Vindictiveness These qualities are often regarded as negative traits that can hinder personal growth and harm relationships with others. Here are 25 additional natural impurities or evil qualities: 1. Impulsiveness 2. Neglectfulness 3. Superficiality 4. Despair 5. Fatalism 6. Distrustfulness 7. Superstition 8. Bigotry 9. Dogmatism 10. Over-ambition 11. Materialism 12. Hedonism 13. Obsessiveness 14. Pessimism 15. Ungratefulness 16. Cynicism 17. Indifference 18. Irritability 19. Narrow-mindedness 20. Over-sensitivity 21. Passivity 22. Pettiness 23. Procrastination 24. Rigidity 25. Sadism These qualities are also seen as negative traits that can impact personal and social well-being. Here are 50 antonyms corresponding to the previously listed negative qualities: 1. Anger - Calmness 2. Lust - Chastity 3. Worldliness - Spirituality 4. Pride - Humility 5. Lying - Truthfulness 6. Hypocrisy - Sincerity 7. Fraud - Integrity 8. Self-love - Selflessness 9. Impulsiveness - Prudence 10. Neglectfulness - Attentiveness 11. Superficiality - Depth 12. Despair - Hope 13. Fatalism - Optimism 14. Distrustfulness - Trust 15. Superstition - Rationality 16. Bigotry - Open-mindedness 17. Dogmatism - Flexibility 18. Over-ambition - Contentment 19. Materialism - Asceticism 20. Hedonism - Abstinence 21. Obsessiveness - Moderation 22. Pessimism - Positivity 23. Ungratefulness - Gratitude 24. Cynicism - Idealism 25. Indifference - Concern 26. Irritability - Patience 27. Narrow-mindedness - Broad-mindedness 28. Over-sensitivity - Resilience 29. Passivity - Activity 30. Pettiness - Magnanimity 31. Procrastination - Diligence 32. Rigidity - Adaptability 33. Sadism - Compassion 34. Vindictiveness - Forgiveness 35. Laziness - Industriousness 36. Greed - Generosity 37. Cowardice - Courage 38. Vanity - Modesty 39. Envy - Contentment 40. Gluttony - Temperance 41. Arrogance - Humbleness 42. Selfishness - Altruism 43. Deceit - Honesty 44. Disloyalty - Loyalty 45. Intolerance - Tolerance 46. Injustice - Justice 47. Unkindness - Kindness 48. Impatience - Patience 49. Dishonor - Honor 50. Malevolence - Benevolence These antonyms represent positive traits that can counterbalance the negative qualities previously mentioned.

[@jemma_19988]

You cannot go it alone anymore

[@e0o9kii]

New Zealand has no submarines, no intention to own or operate submarines, doesn't have the budget or facilities to maintain or operate submarines (let alone nuclear powered submarines) and NZ has a nuclear free policy. Why would NZ want to join AUKUS?

[@frederickmiles327]

Muldoon in 1983 attempted to sign us up to participate in the Australian Collins class submarine project. Muldoon and the 1983 National Government actually signed.Memo of understanding with Australia/ RAN that we we interested in building 4 subs as part 10 RAN/ RNZN sub project. That displays the degree of ignorance that exists in NZ about defence and naval realities Australia/ ANU and Hugh.White interest in diesel submarines has always been about wasting the RAN budget and disarming Australia.Diesel submarines are slow coastal defence boats and effectively mobile mines guard straights and ports. Deceased RNZN Cpt Ian Bradley told me the only use for the diesel submarines for NZ would be positioned in Cook Straight. What an earth would NZ want to use it's navy to defend Cook Straight. The wind and rocks do the job and Coo k Straight is not particularly shallow or narrow. In 1942 the Imperial.Japanese Navy's U cruisers rumouredly fired a few long lance torpedoes at the Cook Straight Ferry.

[@isaiahjudkins5949]

New Zealand is interested in joining Pillar 2, not Pillar 1. Only Pillar 1 of AUKUS relates to nuclear submarines.

[@seaplanepaul5354]

To allow you to keep using the internet and Facebook.

[@Davo-i1s]

NZ were not asked to join the Pillar 1 Submarine program and wouldnt have anything to offer in that area so what has that got to do with anything ? At best they may have been offered an opportunity to join Pillar 2 which has nothing to do with submarines so if like Canada, Japan, South Korea they choose not to be part of it thats completely their choice I'm sure AUKUS will manage without them.

[@utubewonderer33]

Jumping onto a sinking ship isn't a good idea. Don't be a fool, NZ.

[@stephenhamer1702]

NZ could do with maintaining as much independence as possible....

[@AilsaPehi]

I bet Australia is regretting being part of that acronym given how the world views US & UK foreign relations today.

[@charliemarkovic4301]

@@AilsaPehi Rest assured, we are not. We are laughing at you.

[@aoteataniwha6967]

Over chinas foreign policy hah I think the west worry more about the chinese then the uk/US etc...

[@New_Zealander]

@@charliemarkovic4301 Who is we? next time speak for yourself.

[@charliemarkovic4301]

@@New_Zealander shut up sheep shagger.

[@charliemarkovic4301]

@@New_Zealander We're laughing at you as well.

[@archangel763]

Well we in Australia just accepted the legal framework to purchase 3 Virginia class nuclear powered submarines, so for NZ for pillar 2 for technology transfer, we will leave that debate to NZ respectfully, but AUKUS is pressing forward both Pillar 1 and Pillar 2. Australia of course will invite NZ to pillar 2 if NZ decides to come on board. Reality is if China invades Taiwan and the US requests assistance from Australia, we will assist and engage in conflict, that's reality. We hope that doesn't occur but it is possible.

[@Nathan-yy2xs]

Kiwis was always good on the artillery. Many Aussies soldiers were grateful for that. From ww1 ww2 Korean war and Vietnam.

[@archangel763]

@ very true.

[@danharvey3096]

Aukus is essentially the US Hegemon & its vassal state the UK, basing its potential war for hegemony against a hegemonic rival, away from their own borders.. IE, at some point the US may fight a war with China, 1st via a proxy, or by attacks on shipping lanes etc, & then potentially directly. But the US will do all it can to use its distance from its hegemonic rivals to its advantage, & instead have its battles fought via proxy. In the situation of Aukus, where Australia becomes a major base for US warships, submarines, fighters & bombers, then Australia becomes a target, & potentially a theatre of war in a hot war scenario. This would be by organised decision by both powers, as it was in many situations in WW1 & WW2 until things got out of hand. As the US knows a direct attack on China means a direct retaliation & vice versa. So a war between US & China over hegemonic status would be fought via proxy. The possibility of Aukus rendering Australia as that proxy is reason alone to slash the agreement. What makes this whole situation so ridiculous is that the same corrupt political class that have signed Australia up to Aukus, also sold off most of Australia's seaports to chinese companies.. So Australia could become a proxy battle front in a worst case scenario with the same country that now owns most of its seaports, & is of course responsible for most of its wealth.. The costs for Australia of joining are far greater than even the hundred or so billion dollar submarine rort.. And that's just Australia.. There is just no reason for NZ to join, we dont even have a defence industry that can rort some private profits that Australia does. The only reason NZ would join would be for some Mafia style "protection".. This is all about US interest & US interest only, & the interests of the politicians who sign these corrupt deals for their various kickbacks.. There is nothing to be gained in joining, & an economy to lose in doing so..

[@lightforce3642]

Spot on my friend, they think we are all thick down under but we can see what they are up to. Plus just want to rob our tax dollars to benefit the Military industrial complex and the mega wealthy

[@Trent-ol3my]

Why ain't Australians making more noise about trying to stop this deal and do we still have enough time to do so. I agree with alot of what former Prime Minister Paul Keating has said.

[@geoffk8996]

Maybe because many Australians support AUKUS despite its massive cost.

[@Trent-ol3my]

@@geoffk8996 it hasn't been debated enough and the government rushed this through parliament probably to avoid so we could have 25 Colin class subs with change $ to built navel bases and buy other military defences. Why just have couple of subs when we could have so much more 👍

[@budawang77]

Because both major parties support it and don't want there to be any debate about it in parliament.

[@geoffk8996]

@@Trent-ol3my Navy can’t get enough submariners to crew the 6 subs they have.

[@niveknworb]

I believe Henry Kissinger once stated " to be an enemy of America is dangerous, but to be a friend of America is fatal.

[@jasonjohnston8625]

We? Should be a neutral country The only one in the southern hemisphere

[@waynebeyers744]

Our government should let all nzs have a say .Just look what is happening over seas

[@jackpeterkettley]

To beat china, we need to be investing in our pacific partners so they do not, as the sea levels rise in the pacific, see kiribati, these nations will need foreign aid and we should be there to help as a pacific power. We do not need to join new military alliances. We need to show our region that we can be a good partner. Forming good relationships in our region is the priority for stability.

[@fleurosea]

Kiribati is an issue, we need to be supporting that community now. Instead we’ll wait until it’s an emergency and then have too many refugees all at once, and there will be a flair up of racism as climate refugees struggle to integrate into NZ communities 🙄 if I can see it a mile away politicians can too.

[@jackpeterkettley]

@@fleurosea yes fully agree

[@rob_one4511]

Let me break the bad news to you,... there is nothing we can do to change the climate.

[@Tsar22]

Cliff jumping is underated

[@N.Kelvyn]

What has china done to us , your been brain washed by the liars and parasites in the USA , wake up , have you seen all the trouble around the world America has caused

[@carlywright5127]

No way will I support NZ being in Aukus. Helen Clark and others are not as stupid. So disgusted with Luxon and two faced Winston peters talks and actions not match, .

[@milleniumfalcon8654]

This will be the name if 🇳🇿join USUKA NZ!

[@davidgreen9342]

Is it worth it for the ANZACs, N.Z v AUS

[@wimokaharawira8443]

AUKUS is not the right position, but if any foreign power invades Aussie it's ANZAC all the way.

[@theprimordialvoid]

@@wimokaharawira8443same over here

[@MrAlvaro1900]

*China and USA have the same military power?* *That statement does not make sense, since China has much more industrial capacity than the United States, just to quote: the shipbuilding capacity in China is 232 times greater than that of the United States.* *It makes no sense to say that China and the United States have the same military power in the Pacific Ocean, since China is superior, which is why the United States is asking all its allies for help.* *It's simple, the US has already lost its hegemony and will never recover it again.*

[@angelag9172]

I like this professor 🤍

[@budawang77]

Yes, he's an honest and intelligent guy. Says it like it is.

[@andrewrosser8909]

If NZ has no military alliance partners….why wouldn’t a foreign nation just invade to take NZs resources. That is how world history has worked for most of the last 10 000 years. NZ is not too far away for a foreign power to colonise. The Māori and the British have already proven that. The world is becoming more over populated. Many nations would desire NZs arable farm land. This behaviour has happened for Millenia

[@TarulWarlord]

What nonsense. Western Australia has no people. And there are calls to give $5000 to any worthy immigrant wanting to live in Western Australia. How is the world overpopulated?

[@anne-mareeosborne8718]

100%

[@chaybriancourt5088]

What resources??​@@anne-mareeosborne8718

[@Damocles-zy3cg]

Given China keeps threatening to invade Taiwan, NZ having a effective military and strong allies helps deter those conflicts from spreading. A lot can change over a couple decades. Just look at Japan between WW1 and WW2

[@Spright91]

As long as the politicians have to be on the front lines in a war.

[@rob_one4511]

Saying what every person with a brain already knows. This POV is rare, thanks Hugh.

[@The021]

World war III coming around, and suddenly another random "alliance" pops up? US just looking for another lamb to sacrifice for its wars. 😂

[@姜磊-n5h]

Is Axis worth joining in 1945? Asking for a friend.

[@andrewrosser8909]

Can Australia and NZ do both? Why can’t we buy US weapons and also seek to join ASEAN etc Indonesia seeks to give every child milk at school. An opportunity for NZ to diversify from reliance on Chinese exports

[@pokies100]

Troops. Antipodes’ troops. Both nations, all nations, in the pacific, that are democratic, are forming (“many against one”) if that “one” invades another.

[@pokies100]

Here are five interpretations of the statement in the comment: Collective Defense Pact: This suggests that democratic nations in the Pacific are forming a military alliance. If one nation is invaded, the others will collectively respond, similar to the principles of NATO. Regional Security Cooperation: It implies that democratic countries in the Pacific are increasing their military cooperation to maintain regional stability and deter potential aggressors. Unified Front Against Aggression: This interpretation highlights that democratic nations are standing together to defend each other against any form of invasion, demonstrating solidarity and mutual defense commitments. Deterrence Strategy: The statement could mean that the democratic nations are creating a strategy to deter any single country from attempting an invasion by presenting a united and formidable military front. Promotion of Democracy: It suggests an underlying goal of promoting and protecting democratic values in the Pacific region by ensuring that democratic nations support each other against authoritarian threats. These interpretations suggest a strong, coordinated effort among democratic nations to maintain peace and security in the Pacific region through mutual defense and cooperation.

[@johnlamb3101]

NZ couldn’t purchase the turret of the AUKUS submarine! No money! And AUKUS is nuclear?

[@JimmiAlli]

Aukus isn’t even worth it for Australia. 😢

[@TarulWarlord]

Why? Wait till president Trump gets elected. President Trump knows which countries to prioritise.

[@Davo-i1s]

NZ has expressed their desire to go it alone in terms of their military alliances and strategies so they should go ahead and do it stop bringing Australia into the argument as a way of justifying your decisions one way or the other. What this guys opinion is about Australia being part of AUKUS, aquiring nuclear powered submarine technology or even our alliance with the US quite frankly is not going to have any influence on the govt.s strategic decisions.. For every expert like him you could probably find one that had the exact opposite point of view, good for making Utube content but not much else..

[@Keepitsimple183]

I have lived in Australia for 26yrs Australia is a very forward thinking nation and have a great deal to protect and defend the only way to stand up to defensive threats globally is to prepare for the worst.. China are not going to slow down in terms of China's developing military strengths.. NZ are sucks as in oh we must play the diplomacy card yeah but when one start's to play with the devil in NZ case oh we need to maintain our trade partnership with China over our defence of NZ .. What kind of economic benefits are their madness really.

[@fleurosea]

Do you know China has a 100 year lease on the Darwin port? I think that was not good forward thinking (given how things worked out for Hong Kong)

[@rob_one4511]

How many countries has China invaded? Exactly. Stop getting caught up in American propaganda.

[@N.Kelvyn]

Your just a lapp dog of america , 😂 America cant even win a war 😂 , all that america does around the world is lie and spread bull shit , they are the biggest threat to peace around the world with there hypocrite ways , they are the true war criminals and dictators

[@N.Kelvyn]

​@@fleurosea Hong Kong is in China anyway , what right have the british got to be there anyway

[@Nathan-yy2xs]

To be honest China wouldn't be able to hold up in a war against the US and allies throughout the pacific. If China attacks Taiwan it will have to face of with Japan south Korea Philippines Indonesia Malaysia and Vietnam. Then India to its south that has a larger population than China. Than they will have to face of with the US Canada Australia the UK France and Germany along with some south American nations. You talking about a large populated nations. And US with superior Blue water navy fleet. And technically way more Nuclear weapons. China will not be able to hold out like Japan did in ww2. It be over in a week

[@ReiTamihana]

I do agree with Emeritus Proffessor but honestly we do rely on USA and Australia, for our defence and security, and it is no use crying If we were to be in attacked. Dont use the excuse no one wants to envade us, we are vulnerable without both the OZ and USA support.

[@pblchldy8082]

Yea sure Europeans are going to make there way all the way to new zealand to take over a country that has 0 military advantage geographically. Wake up buddy lmao.

[@walterxu7621]

In foreseeable future, only US or Oz has the capacity to invade NZ.

[@anne-mareeosborne8718]

Yes we are

[@AaronGreig-q4e]

I'm from New Zealand. I've already made a bow and some arrow 🏹 and I'm going to make a sword. If we all make one I'd say New Zealand b safe from invasion.

[@andrewrosser8909]

Prof White published an alternative view of defending Australia in his books. Which is totally fine, and great to have a discussion. But he has an overt financial conflict of interest, which should have been disclosed.

[@budawang77]

How does writing books about defending Australia create a conflict of interest? He's just making the same arguments he makes in his books which is what anyone else would do.

[@onyxorion2110]

Submarines don't help anyones relations. We trade more with China. How many "made in usa" items are in your house?

[@jemma_19988]

Kfc maccas Popeyes Wendy's pizza hut these ate important products kiwis cannot live without

[@onyxorion2110]

@@jemma_19988 damn you need a diet

[@marsspacex6065]

The USA is biggest trading partner after Australia

[@shauntempley9757]

@@marsspacex6065 It is not. China is bigger than even Australia.

[@utubewonderer33]

@@marsspacex6065 check out stats NZ for real numbers before posting nonsense. China is our biggest import and export destination by far. And it's been this way for many years. Good luck getting rid of the biggest trading partner. I guess you don't have cost of living issue in your household.

[@TysonAk-s9e]

Nz need border and national security strength.

[@fatherburning358]

Does NZ have to sign up? No. If the strategic importance of NZ is ever threatened then AUKUS will step in anyway. Why would you let a neighbour become a base for an enemy. You wouldn't. Whether we want it or not, NZ is in the same danger and have skin in the game but let AUKUS pay for it. Not NZ.

[@gorgu08]

Not sure NZ is welcome to be honest

[@donscott3891]

NZ doesn't want no smoke....yeah right

[@angelag9172]

Something is not right in America, so I think we need to be very careful about who we align ourselves with. We must remain a sovereign nation

[@beyamoth]

China is not on the rise. At best it has plateaued, and most likely in decline. Go look at their demographics, and the sharp drop in GDP.

[@charliemarkovic4301]

A wounded animal is dangerous.

[@dupex2]

Countries on the decline can be very dangerous...especially if they have nuclear weapons.

[@AilsaPehi]

Not big on geopolitics, are you? You've absolutely no idea what you're posting. Thankfully, multipolar is rising fast, and the dedollarisation of the US$ in trade will maximise collective prosperity where sanctions will be mitigated globally. Since NZ was sanctioned NZ in the late 80s because of our no nuke stance forcing us to trade with China, we haven't suffered as US had hoped. China has soft power moving and grooving quietly across the South. They've worked WITH sovereign countries instead of owning them. BRICS has more territories joining, and America has absolutely no say.

[@beyamoth]

@@AilsaPehi that was last decades data. Catch up, you are waaaaaay behind.

[@beyamoth]

@@dupex2 agree, but that isn't a reason to capitulate to them

[@davidthomson692]

The smalles kid at school does not volunteer to take on the school bully Why Because later he will seek u out for retribution

[@NZ-ms3vc]

NO!!

[@ericokane8136]

Enactment🖖🏼Wakarite Ture Confederation of New Zealand Constitutional Republic CNZCR est. 2024 April 25th Toitū He Wakaputanga GOD defend New Zealand שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד

[@jedipsy]

I thought the name was a joke when I first heard it because it sounds like Orcus aka a Demon Prince of the Abyss. I guess we live in an age where the powers that be have confidently discarded clever subterfuge for clumsy declaration.

[@Sharon-yk7xm]

No

[@dadahan-qf5mg]

Joining AUKUS means becoming canon fodder like Ukraine

[@andrewrosser8909]

There is no suggestion regarding submarines for NZ. Aukus pillar 2 would involve technology transfer, allowing NZ to Aquire missiles which would be a credible “porcupine” defence strategy. Australia is too big for that, but NZ could Aquire that under Aukus 2. Acquiring superior military technology actually allows both Australia and NZ to increase their independence in the long term. It’s all well and good to criticise the USA. Would NZ prefer Chinese hegemony in NZ neighbourhood? Their behaviour in Tibet and xinjiang and their behaviour in colonising what we now call China…is something that should be considered. It is not fair to ignore colonialism by other players. It isn’t just the UK/USA

[@marc0002]

NZ has nothing to offer.

[@angelag9172]

NZ’s ‘obsession with housing’. Strange thumbnail title. Of course humans think a lot about housing. We need the security of a stable place to live

[@haventogiatama3743]

Yea nah

[@willblackett4709]

Do Not Join AUKUS !!! It's siding with the losing team So stupid !!!

[@TxtalArmi]

wdym

[@willblackett4709]

@@TxtalArmi side with the winning side. BRICS block. China makes everything, NZs biggest trading partner. USA is a smaller trading partner, they probably couldn't build a cell phone, and most of the world hates them for starting all the wars. New Zealand should stop siding with the anti-China west, they're destined to fall.

[@tonywood4992]

No to Aukus, why paint a target on the country for no real benefit. Non alignment is better, any way if some country was going to invade NZ they would...supply line distances are potentially a downside, however digital warfare is a threat to any country regardless of military alliance. The main downside is potential trade losses.

[@lucas8858]

The Aukus deal is the Greatest Scam America & Britain gang up on Australia 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LWJCarroll]

Mmmm no mention of other Asian countries like Japan, Sth Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia or Thailand. Which comes across as rather foolish and arrogant imo. Laurie. NZ. 😊

[@Jack-v6s7j]

To avoid TV One creating their own narrative hopefully, they will have someone else with an opposing view to create a balanced discussion - "'I'm not holding my breath. I suppose everyone has an opinion, including this guy. Summing up, he doesn't think we should pursue AUKUS Pillar 2 - Strategic sharing of technology. His reasoning? Because China might not like it and might therefore stop trading with us, which would hurt us economically. He also suggests we might be taken advantage of somehow in the relationship. Sorry, but this seems a bit ridiculous. The only reason we are considering this is because of China's increasing militarization of the Asia-Pacific region, trying to get into Pacific islands and set up semi-naval bases, etc. Divided we fall, and easy targets are just that. It doesn't matter where you are-if you have something of value and you don't protect it, then someone will steal it from you. Maybe he thinks we should join CRINK instead-the Axis Alliance group. Anyone in doubt should go and live in those dictatorships. The only reason China rose to power is because of globalization, starting in the 70s making it easy for China to attract business with all its cheap labour exploitation and the world turned a blind eye to it -a UN plan, And why is China doing well now? Because they don't even consider carbon taxes-they are exempt until 2030, so many countries get them to do a majority of industrial processes. And, 2030 might ring a bell - that is the same time for UN Agenda 2030, the Great Reset, etc.

[@caravanstuff2827]

Couldn't agree more...and would add , because of the miniscule size of our military we need an alliance to ward off any attempt from subversive aliments from within our country from trying to over throw the government by force and imposing some kind of Communist dictatorship with the CCP's backing in the near future!!!.❤️🇳🇿

[@Unknown-gi1uj]

Symbolize support for the US, your grasping at straws considering the main concept of AUKUS is nuclear submarines that have very little offensive capability compare to surface fleets, infact submarines are mostly defensive in nature and are only deployed in offensive roles to sink ships. That is their role, to sink ships, ships that China is building at a rate that the world has never seen before. Its always hard to listen to someone who starts of with blatant lies to push a narrative, when this is not about America, this is about Australia and gaining capabilities to defend themselves.

[@Unknown-gi1uj]

@@DjangoHTine Are you projecting? attack submarines don't have ballistic missiles, there is an entirely different class of submarine, called, you guessed it ballistic missile submarines. The Virginia carries 12 cruise missiles, they are called the tomahawk, if you want to see their effectiveness, then US attacked a Syrian airbase in 2017, they lauched 59 tomahawk cruise missiles, from two destroyers and the airbase was operational again in days. Likewise a single Chinese type 055 has 112 vertical launch tubes, the Virginia class has 12. This does not offer submarines any form of land attack, these few cruise missiles are more suited to support roles in a naval engagement, rather then engaging any sort of land target. Of course they are dangerous, every military asset is dangerous, that's the whole point. Your not suppose to be eager to invade a country because you have a bigger force, but to say the AUKUS submarines are aimed at China is just lies, they are aim at protecting the Australian coastline. Something China can't say because its coastline is so small compared to the USA, or Australia, there entire Navy is designed for force projection and they have no friends in the region, so what kind of force are they projecting? Have you heard of the H-20, H-6 the doubling of the Chinese ICBMs, their rapidly expanding hypersonic program, their new aircraft carriers and their 90 odd submarines. I mean its pretty hypocritical to complain about Australia getting a handful of AUKUS submarines when you sit on 10x the number yourself, or complain about its cruise missile capability when a single destroy has 10x the offensive capability.

[@Unknown-gi1uj]

@@DjangoHTine The only reason, THE ONLY REASON CHINA IS UPSET IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO INVADE AUSTRALIA! and this capability means they can't. Its the only reason to be upset, because you planed to do something and it was countered. Its the only reason to be upset over AUKUS submarines...

[@caravanstuff2827]

We have to join to protect our democracy, not only from outside threat but also from within...our military is to small so we either expand exponentially or join an alliance!!!.❤️🇳🇿

[@MrThartofwar]

That’s bull crap, America is the biggest threat to democracy, the hypocrisy is too loud to ignore, corrupt is America

[@pblchldy8082]

You do realise democracy doesn't actually exist right???

[@janmcleod6727]

And there are over 100 countries in the NON - ALIGNED MOVEMENT !!

[@AaronGreig-q4e]

Chops

[@davidcanessa2109]

This guy doesn’t know what he is on about

[@matthewlang7364]

lol your not going to be invited. No one is asking you 😂

[@alexlanning712]

professors live in ivory towers

[@dupex2]

What a terrible interviewer. I hope she works for free tvone. Or is she someone's daughter?

[@pigpentaboo]

Why was the terrible?

[@holdencommodorehsv]

The fact people think we have a choice lol we are already a part of the US military, we have two or 3 of their supercomputers here.

[@LWJCarroll]

Nah, most of our computing power is in desktop PCs based on tech from Taiwan and China nowadays. 😊

[@karibakid]

Who is the very large interviewer name please

[@Tsar22]

Kum

[@steward_leung]

Belittle ourselves (and Hugh belittles Australia) is fuelling the aggression of China 🇨🇳 . It doesn’t lead to peace but lead to war. Look at Russia 🇷🇺 , the Europe countries kept trading with Russia despite the 2014 Crimea invasion. They didn’t show enough strength to deter the dictators aggression and thus Putin invaded Ukraine 🇺🇦.

[@budawang77]

He's not belittling Australia he's just being realistic about America's ability and commitment to retain supremacy in what China considers to be its backyard. He's also saying Australia, along with like-minded countries, can defend itself in a new multipolar world. That's the opposite of belittling Australia. Saying Australia cannot survive without Uncle Sam is belittling Australia.

[@DjangoHTine]

How can you join a club when your weren’t ask. NZ with their coziness to the CCP would be a hinderance to a western democratic alliance.

[@barefootonasandybeach638]

It’s essential that we are part of AUKUS.

[@stephenwoodrow8549]

he loves China

[@N.Kelvyn]

And what has china done to us , compared to what American hypocrites have done around the world , wake up , America is nothing more than a power hungry dictator ,spreading lies and hate , nothing but a parasite country run by criminals

[@charliemarkovic4301]

@@N.Kelvyn and the communist dictatorship of china would be nothing without access to capitalist economies like the USA, EU etc.

[@CaptainKuki]

No