Why Australia wants NZ to beef up its military | Q+A 2024

[@brycenew]

NZ can proudly offer its new Manawanui Class submarines, now that successful sea trials have concluded!

[@snodgrass9404]

😂 Ironic that a ship designed to map the ocean floor didnt see the ocean floor coming!!

[@jemma_19988]

The ship daw it The captain did not

[@kcharles8857]

Very good :)

[@johnlamb3101]

Ha Ha Ha - soo well said! What a good laugh. And to think these idiots always proclaim - “We are the BEST trained military in the world! (forgot to add - only in NZ)

[@flabby2142]

I thought that was a real sub, then I remembered what happened lmao.

[@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied]

Politicians and bureaucrats the greatest risk to regional security

[@John-c7i4m]

Yes….especially those from China…it aint rocket science😂

[@New_Zealander]

@@John-c7i4m Or the ones from the US/UK/NATO warmongers.

[@philll9868]

We need to spend more, 40 years of neglect 40 x 2% to make up and apologize to our Allies, friends and cousins

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@John-c7i4m Except they're not.

[@JCZ_888]

Australia and New Zealand are two very different countries. This reporter is the exact reason why so many kiwis live in Oz.

[@oceanbreeze89]

Of course, what does ANZAC stand for? It’s important for NZ to live up to its responsibilities as a Five Eyes partner.

[@N.Kelvyn]

As a lappdog you mean

[@SioneFolau]

NZ needs China and Russia to these criminals. They lied through their teeth every day.

[@stephendwyer4659]

As a Kiwi i think we need to integrate with our Aussie neighbors in defence matters. Set up a Marine Corp type unit and do away with having three management systems for the different forces and trim management to a minimum. We could be so much more efficient integrated effectively with Aussie and that can only worl out well for both countries. Any future conflict in the south pacific will see us working closely again. Get the ball in motion now.

[@patrickalford1278]

As an Aussie I welcome more military integration with our Kiwi brothers at least equipment wise, as It would make servicing and logistics more easy. Both nations services already have the Bushmaster and MAN trucks as well as Poseidon and Hercules aircraft. Perhaps NZ would consider Boxer CRV's?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

What are you defending against?

[@simbasingh9576]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Indonesia

[@SpatialAdmirer273]

That is algoods with me 👍

[@タコの王]

Start by reducing your Chinese immigration

[@3800gracie]

I fully support us having a more capable military. It is an obligation of the government to ensure that we do. The reason Australia has a better trading relationship with India and the USA is because it has committed to having better military capability. That is what has been missing for NZ. If you want trade then you also need to support the other country.

[@thegreenlandshark6086]

China is our largest trading partner. We are probably better off aligning with China militarily.

[@Kelvinpaul4]

Nah, it's a waste of money, we'll only get dragged into some other countries military actions , like the Boer war, WW1, WW2, Korean war, Malaysian insurgency, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing to do with New Zealand.

[@michaelhagley4762]

In 1980's when NZ declared itself nuclear free and told the US no nuclear ships were allowed in our ports, I was working at a dairy factory and can remember the butter being packed that was a mix of NZ butter and the US butter we had to buy that the US had dumped on the world market to cripple our economy. Many farmers went bankrupt because of the low payout. Do not kid yourself that the US is our friend!!!

[@New_Zealander]

So that if and when war breaks out we can be used as fodder just like the Gallipoli campaign.

[@johnlamb3101]

NZ has NO money or credit to enjoy a credible defence force. Every “item” in NZ life we look at - is run down and broken - just doesn’t work and needs replacing/upgrading! Personal debt is sky high, govt debt is out of control, every credible asset has been sold, running out of power, etc etc. Capable military? - you are dreaming. Watch out Kiwi Bank - you are all that’s left. You will be sold soon to pay for another membership of a Chinese Bank consortium - just as that ghastly John Key sold the power companies to belong to some Chinese Bank consortium leaving you and me with sky high electricity prices.

[@arnodrygala965]

New Zealand should think about integrating their defence force with the Australian Defence Force. An example of this is the Dutch Army integrating into the German Army. Some Australian jet fighters could be stationed at New Zealand bases. NZ infantry could be trained to use Australian weapon systems such as the boxer IFV, Himars etc that are coming soon. Australia would benefit from getting a manpower boost and NZ would become better protected.

[@badjelly1027]

The war in Ukraine has proven how various low cost drones and other wepons can be more effective than a traditional air force or navy. Why not develop a niche industry gor defense with our track record of innovation rather than try to punch above our weight and still not have an effective fighting force. Rocket lab is a prime example of us leveraging the can do attidude and thinking outside the box to be a world leader.

[@brycenew]

Both are needed, tbh But I agree, NZ is falling further behind the longer it fails to incubate, build & support new, tech based industries. We’ve already ignored it for too long. The ongoing over-reliance on primary industry is stifling our growth and future.

[@deserteagle-nx1hl]

Rocket lab has been taken over by Lockheed Martin, who gleefully drain the NZ taxpayer and refuse to pay licence production fees when they mass produce Kiwi technology. America has done a Duff beer on us once again.

[@andrewrosser8909]

Part of the second component of Aukus are missiles…there are already kiwi scientists working on this across the ditch…would be ideal weapons for NZ geography at a low price point, especially if bought in bulk with Canada and Australia. Seems a no brainer.

[@brycenew]

@@andrewrosser8909 ‘Missiles’ is very vague. Type / range / warheads / potential targets…?

[@jemma_19988]

Rocket is majority owned by CIA and Lockheed Has not been nz owned for over a decade In UK it is listed as a US defense company Imagine if Chinese owned rocket lab

[@redback38]

What a bloody joke, NZ got no money maaate!

[@Kelvinpaul4]

A significant amount of money is spent dealing with Aussie exporting 501ers.

[@thehoundGOT]

We gave the last 3 billion to landlords

[@cyberleaderandy1]

They've got one less 100 million dollar ship now as well 😂

[@MG-fr3tn]

​@@thehoundGOT They gave x billion to oz.

[@Kelvinpaul4]

@@redback38 NZ has money, most of it is in the hands of the top 5%, the elites.

[@chrismckellar9350]

As an island nation, New Zealand needs to start spending at least 2% of GDP on defence instead of giving tax cuts to land lords, wasting money of cancelled major infrastructure projects, etc.

[@New_Zealander]

Nah we don't we can utilise our money to fix our roads and our healthcare system rather than giving it to the US military industrial complex.

[@TyreseSummers]

@New_Zealander bro we literally spend stuff all on our millitary how much do you think is going to the USA

[@BlueBlue-j4w]

Nz was one of only a few countries, spending 2% of gdp on our military. Before Trump called Nato out, for spending under 2%. Stop lying.

[@chrismckellar9350]

@@TyreseSummers - New Zealand's spend 1.2% of GDP if that on defence. What does goes to the USA is loose change for them.

[@chrismckellar9350]

@@New_Zealander - What NZ spends on defence is loose change for the USA, so I am not sure what your point is.

[@scottlewisparsons9551]

I am very pleased that I moved to Australia from New Zealand a long time ago. New Zealand hasn’t pulled its weight regarding the armed forces for many years, it’s a woke basket case, just have a listen to the interviewer as an example.

[@Richardford-l1m]

As an Australian, I agree with you. Unfortunately, I think Albanese would wiggle his way out kf the AUKUS Agreement if he could. Bloody whimp!!

[@scottlewisparsons9551]

@@Richardford-l1m yes, I think Albanese would stop AUKUS, the whole thing must upset the leftist, communist, Marxist creature quite a lot!

[@SpatialAdmirer273]

We are very pleased that you moved away too 👍

[@scottlewisparsons9551]

@@SpatialAdmirer273 that’s good. Then that’s two of us who are pleased with my decision all those years ago. However, I still think that New Zealand is a great country that’s been ruined by stupid lefty, communist leaning governments hell bent on dividing the country between Maori and the rest. Everyone should have equal rights. But these are just my opinions, like them or not, it’s entirely up to you.

[@kronoxnz7952]

I can sense we’ll be buying a new boat soon, will that do?

[@raywheeler3135]

It will be a dodgy second hand Toyota.

[@TyreseSummers]

​@@raywheeler3135 yea bro they were going to build a brand new ship with similar capabilities to Canterbury only I think it brought like 2 times as much to the table which would've been amazing. It wouldn't be a crazy warship but I'd bring alot of soft power to the pacific nations.

[@matdownunder157]

Hahaha

[@cyberleaderandy1]

Their gona have to as the fishes have the survey boat to play with now 😂

[@michaelaitken2631]

Yeah nah bro... gunna be an old p.o.s again...

[@izzaclazza9712]

This guy is a pro unlike the NZ equivalents lol ❤

[@cyberleaderandy1]

Not dei that why.

[@SpatialAdmirer273]

Who do you think put him there?

[@martinsmith4866]

What’s wrong with NZ’s duct tape boats? With Brett & Germaine at the helm of the “SS Conchord” what could go wrong?

[@kcharles8857]

Constitutionally, New Zealand can become an Australian state whenever it wishes. Multiple benefits to be had. Just think, unbeatable national rugby team. Final solution to the Pavlova origin issue. Mutual condemnation of Greg Chappell. NZ becomes a Continent. Australians finally get to do Hakkas. NZ becomes Australia's 3rd biggest state. The New Zealand Defense Force can stop pretending it's a thing. Australia gets Peter Jackson, Russel Crowe, and Flight of the Conchords. Australia's land area will increase by a little bit. AND, Australians will legitimately allowed to say sux instead of six and not be accused of cultural appropriation.

[@mmmail1969]

This is a common piece of mythology. The Australian High Court would likely say too much time has passed. Also, keep in mind, the offer to to be part of the Commonwealth, was at the time of Federation, that door having long closed.

[@kcharles8857]

@@mmmail1969 Nope not mythology. 'The Australian Constitution, specifically Section 121, provides the rules for admitting new states into the Commonwealth of Australia. Covering clause 6 of the Constitution explicitly mentions that New Zealand may be admitted as a state' The door remains open. Such an event actually occurring would however require considerable public support on both sides of the ditch. And that's probably not going to happen :)

[@mmmail1969]

@@kcharles8857 I never said it wasn't "in the Constitution" but it was long ago and pertained to the "act of Federating", which again, was long ago! Offer/[NON]-acceptance has passed!

[@jamessouthorn8121]

There’s two points to this - one point being we need a decent military to attract alliances and better economic deals, the second point would be that we would now be on the radar as a potential threat if a pacific war theatre was to open It’s going to be difficult being a passive country in the moser era

[@paulfuller9352]

There is a provision in the Australian Constitution for NZ to become the 7th state. It is time for them to take that offer up. It is a win, win. We get the all blacks, kiwis get to eat. 😂

[@jemma_19988]

Kiwis get aldi

[@MG-fr3tn]

Kiwis keep money they make.

[@tonyblackler3961]

When Helen Clarke reneged on the F16 deal with the US, she put the death nail in the coffin for New Zealands military.

[@malcolmWaite-g4t]

what does a F16 cost and who would do the maintenance, would they have given them to us

[@Jack01189]

@@malcolmWaite-g4t They would cost a shit ton, the New Zealand air force would maintain them: (they are currently qualified in aeronautical engineering (i.e. maintaining jet aircraft)) and yes they would have given them to us if we asked nicely (and offered a few oil drilling rights off Tarinaki) - the upside to taking the F16's would be that if shit does end up hitting the fan, we wouldn't have to get on our knees and beg Australia and America to come save us. - we would be far better defended against potential threats.

[@malcolmWaite-g4t]

@@Jack01189 I would think were there potential threats Aussie and America would already be involved

[@Haddaminb]

F16s are useless for New Zealand. Expensive and too short ranged. It would be like buying a Ferrari for school pickups only. NZ should prioritise maritime logistics and patrol because of location. P8s and Hercs is a good start. LPDs would be ideal too.

[@TyreseSummers]

​@Haddaminb also most of the countries in the world with air craft carriers with strike capabilities are mostly in the hands of allied nations and even then we're far from any treat. I see good reason for a strike wing but I don't see why aswell if we wanted to please our allies I'd just build a army that compatible with them with formidable training as to bring something to the table.

[@michaelhagley4762]

US has 800 plus military bases around the world while the rest of the world has next to none. For me the best quote answering whether we are on the wrong side, comes from the cartoon Phineas and Ferb star wars episode - "Didn't we just blow up a planet?. That is sort of difficult to justify, morally".

[@douglasnakamura6753]

So US bases around the planet are going to blow it up?

[@berniemckinley4988]

@@michaelhagley4762 I think about how the US are the allies with South Korea and China is with North Korea. Choose your friends wisely. And if, and only if by chance China moved on their voiced plans to impose themselves on our ocean (and who knows what else) then we will be begging for western help as we cannot defend ourselves. China is moving, see why Australia increased this years military budget by $50 billion, so has Japan, Indonesia and naturally Taiwan. Only NZ is asleep.

[@michaelhagley4762]

@@berniemckinley4988 Thanks for your reply. I view the world from both sides, watching what happens in the UN, reading both Chinese and Russian news agencies as well as western news agencies. The reason I'm pointing this out to you is because your reply seems to me to be only the view of western news agencies, in another words, US propaganda.

[@rm6894]

Yes! We should have bulked up our military years ago and made military service compulsory for at least 3 years similar to south Korea. Our coastlines need air defence systems and greater radar/scanning abilities. We are waiting to be taken over or wiped out for our land and resources.

[@matdownunder157]

I have not watched it, but by the look of things in NZ, I seriously doubt this is going to happen.

[@beneagleson3026]

An F16 costs around 63mill usd. A reaper drone costs half and has approx double the range (but the F16 is much faster). NZ should build up a small force of surveillance and attack drones to patrol its maritime zone. Arming the drones with anti ship missiles and air to air missiles.

[@Rewa267S.A]

We do need to up our military

[@awilderireland]

As an Irish citizen I offer our military to come to NZ's aid if you're attacked. Whatever you do don't Google the Irish Defence Forces! But my offer still stands.

[@korowheke3182]

So invest in Peacekeeping and Engineering for HADR, Naval Coast guard support? The NZSAS is already a top rated military force

[@N.Kelvyn]

Yea they help there yankee mates , who invade but cant win wars 😂

[@danielxbox28]

can we concentrate on Health, Education and Public transport.

[@WhoamiNZ]

Don't we already?

[@joncarolyn]

No

[@mrmyers91]

Oh jack , we can clearly tell your trying to get the deputy PM to bring up China 🙄

[@The01Ghost]

Well, we have a submarine now..

[@sgladiadis]

Blackhawks, Drones, Drones, Drones, Navy ships and patrol boats, Missiles

[@kelz6569]

This is the most cringing interview I have ever watched, poor Jack😅

[@jacobkemp1183]

About time, we need to build up our Defense Force, stop the payouts to certain parties internally and get the benefit payments under control, divert the money to the Air Force/Army and Navy. If the Chinese invade us in the next 20yrs, and we can't Defend our country, what then

[@New_Zealander]

lol yea the chinese and the Russians will inavde us for our sheep and people like you.

[@TyreseSummers]

I do agree but I'd take a looong time before china could hope of invading nz let alone holding it and by then we'd ha alot more to worry about. Like where did australia and usa go lol.

[@Craig-t3p]

Woke nz freelancing on australia as usal

[@andrewrosser8909]

What is stopping nz from diversifying its economy away from Chinese dependence? Such as trade with India and Indonesia? Is NZ dependence on China in NZ national interest?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

You know "China" (BRICS) Is going to "win" over the next decade?

[@tpshunter72]

Our Navy needs a major shake up & investment. Yes, we're a small nation but look at our economic exclusion zone, its massive just over 4 million square miles or 15 x the size of NZ. We need sailors and need to pay them a decent income, once we do that then we can man our existing ships, then we need more modern ships South Korean made ships would be suitable, our Seasprites need to be replaced with American made seahawks to have them compatible with Australian/US Navy systems.

[@TyreseSummers]

I think that's why the nzdf are looking into getting unmanned ships/ ones with a smaller crew. The idea was to possibly limit it to just a boarding crew which would cut huge amount of costs. Also isn't that partially the purpose of the P-8A?

[@murrayclarke2171]

Talk about incredible timing for our survey ship to break down and wreck itself. These other countries must have very limited faith in NZs ability to help anyone.

[@jemma_19988]

It did not break down The skipper "woke" to find it had run aground

[@Richardford-l1m]

​@@jemma_19988Ah hahaha hahaha 😆

[@niveknworb]

Australia really could benefit from the very capable NZ navy😂

[@ReiTamihana]

We certainly need to update and increase spending , on our military capability, instead of putting our armed personal at risk, as seen in Afhanistan, from out dated equipment. To under estimate our roll in International affairs, can only be improved, especially in the Pacific, enhances the safety of our military personal, while delivering an efficient and professional manner. New Zealand are highly regarded in the world, in providing military support, and are sourced by the major allies such as the USA/

[@rogerstarkey5390]

USA is failing.

[@jsmoccjsmocc]

Japan was invited as an observer but not China

[@MaryBrockett-u2o]

P😊

[@ClarkKent71]

New Zealand have a new submarine thanks to diversity hiring.

[@NaturalExplorerNZ]

Carefully treading around the word China the entire time . That was so cringey to hear this fellow sidesteping the discussion

[@JimmyShields-z2h]

How do call out Trump when your former PM JA was bonkers? NZ defence got difficult decisions to future purchases considering their budget is nowhere like Australia. I believe NZ will need piggyback on Australia to save money but also be compatible like their future corvettes could come South Korea but still have money for Seahawks. Although NZ will have fine money for lost support ship, maybe RAN future JSS for NZ?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Do you really feel that threatened?

[@kiwikiwi223]

We cant afford to run our healthcare properly. Waste of money

[@New_Zealander]

Soon the US military industrial complex will start demanding us to buy arms from them, just like what they are doing in Europe with NATO.

[@Jack01189]

Our Navy has a Labour shortage, we have a ratio of 40% officers and 60% ranks (officers working in offices and ranks working.) Due to Austerity measures the Navy now has a budjet deficit of $150 Million Dollars. what do the high ranking offers do? - they with their 6 figure incomes, cut pay to the ranks, fire contractors, and reduce future rank intake capacity. all while Australia is increasing their military budget and offering double the pay for our rank sailours It's not the fact we can't afford to run the millitairy and Healthcare properly. Its the fact we have too many middle managers (i.e. we have 141 commanders with 9 ships to command (8 now that HMNZS manawanui's hit a reef ) and those managers make life a living hell for the people actually doing the work in order to keep their 6 figures and stable paper shuffling jobs. weather is navy chefs or nurses who suffer and leg it to Australia. i don't think its a case of one Or the other, but rather a multitude of problems with our entire culture. (i.e. we pay middle managers way to much, and undervalue working class jobs.)

[@chrismckellar9350]

It is showing how 38 years addiction to neoliberal economics and governance is making New Zealand a mediocre middle income OECD country that is stuck 20th century economics and governance.

[@TyreseSummers]

​@@chrismckellar9350 I don't think social Healthcare is bad just not for dole bludgers they should only give benefits to the ones that work.

[@chrismckellar9350]

@@TyreseSummers - It seem you really don't understand what the term 'dole bludger' is. Have you been on the Jobseekers benefit?

[@simbasingh9576]

Australia and new Zealand should have a joint military fortification, Australia and Nz should strengthen their armed forces by buying more advanced weapon systems specially submarines and hypersonic long range missiles and increase their squadrons of airforce

[@Nathan-yy2xs]

Humanitarian aid? I thought the defence is for security reasons. I don't think anyone joins the defence force for humanitarian aid reasons. This Richard Marles is a joke

[@Richardford-l1m]

I'm an Aussie and agree 100%.

[@psychogoji]

He can't openly say that it's to deter/possibly fight China while trading heavily with China. Anyone with a basic level awareness of current affairs knows this, and that's why the journo didn't need to press beyond a probing question.

[@craigtedesco1464]

Totally agree we are in a recession negative gdp so do we get a refund

[@davidlawton898]

Interesting comments also about Australia defending its Sea Lines of Communication... Subtle dig at NZ needing to up its game, especially when looking to buy replacement General Purpose Frigates in the upcoming joint purchase agreement eg NZs intentions within the upcoming Defence Capability Plan. At the end of September, the New Zealand navy joined with the Australian and Japanese armed forces to sail through the Taiwan Strait. It was the first time in seven years that the New Zealand navy had patrolled that area, and its visit was of great political significance. Xiaoming Huang, a Victoria University professor of international relations, agreed that marine security was a major issue for New Zealand - and one where this country could show its commitment to the region. "This is a very volatile international environment," Huang said. For New Zealand, but also every trading nation, he said security of the sea would be of "extreme importance". "The loss of Manawanui has reduced the RNZN fleet to eight ships and added to fleet availability issues. The RNZN have laid up three ships, offshore patrol vessels HMNZS Otago (P148) and HMNZS Wellington (P55), and inshore patrol vessels HMNZS Hawea (P3571), due to a lack of personnel to crew the ships. Frigate HMNZS Te Mana (F111) is in the midst of an extended maintenance period which includes upgrades to its communication systems, leaving now only four ships on operational status - frigate HMNZS Te Kaha (F77), multi-role vessel HMNZS Canterbury (L421), fleet oiler HMNZS Aotearoa (A11) and inshore patrol vessel HMNZS Taupo (P3570)." (From USNI). Judith Collins is refreshingly honest about the current state of our Navy in particular (compared to 35-years ago), and the need to finance new frigates among other items in the upcoming Defence Capability Plan. Proof will be in the level of ACTUAL capital spend on Defence, whether it will satisfy the Aussis to lower the cost per General Purpose Frigate (3 or 4 required in NZ), and whether it will satisfy the likes of Donald trump (if he heaven forbids gets in) and his demand for countries to stop freeloading on the US for Defence coverage in the Indo-Pacific & elsewhere... ie. Will NZ raise its defence spending from a pathetic 1.1% of GDP to something like 1.6% of GDP in short order given the geopolitical backdrop in the Northwest Pacific?

[@korowheke3182]

so will Australia start building Nuclear Power stations?

[@Nathan-yy2xs]

The Australian coalition government wants to build nuclear powered stations. But nuclear powered submarines reactor will come from the UK

[@jakob7693]

"We must respond to geo strategic moves by the big country across the world that have never threatened us with military aggression because they are bad or something blah blah blah give us money."

[@buffalobill2874]

Hi Jack, hi Richard

[@bobturner7112]

That was "Beef", not "Reef".

[@PigzHeadNz]

بالتأكيد لا يجوز هذا الأمر... في رأيي، فكر مليًا فيما تطلبه الحكومة الأسترالية. عليك أن تنظر إلى الصورة الأكبر 🖼 👍

[@ronnynolegs]

Lets start 100,000,00 loss today. Bye Jack Lame

[@Dodo-ck5tq]

Yeah, this reporter better not own a car.......or a house, or anything else that uses coal, gas or oil, clean energy is happening, we all know it's important. But it don't happen overnight.

[@3800gracie]

Jack why when you mention China you never mention how China treats its neighbours!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Take a look at how USA treats..... Everyone (neighbours or not)

[@alexlanning712]

In a dog eat dog world,NZ doesnt have a choice

[@kinasandwich7624]

Your world is coming to an end

[@SethCrowGamer]

I honestly don't see any person from NZ or other western nations fighting along side Australia if the pass their misinformation bill.

[@maximmorrison5867]

Bro I thought he was on to something when he asking why do we need nuclear powered submarine it's for the range it end can be submerged for longer

[@New_Zealander]

How many people here are willing to lose a portion of their pension down the line if this goes through? Just ask the UK pensioners how they feel about losing their winter fuel payment,...while their governmnt is giving Ukraine billions.

[@jemma_19988]

Giving panama papers zelensky billions

[@les8518]

Stop all the Maori land claim payouts. It is costing th country millions of dollars. And nobody knows where the money goes.

[@Aussie_car_life]

ANZAC 🇦🇺 🇳🇿

[@macgall249]

Think about it first. NZ is a peace keeping country, I will pull out gather my family and leave this country, if this govt engages in anything other then peace keeping. 💯 If we engage then Im selling up and out of this place Im under pressure and still use my words not kick down the door to help with a

[@undercoverbrother6597]

We have plenty of Indians here in NZ. Take your pick

[@paulsandford3345]

Minus one of their ships, of course?

[@raceace]

Guess who wants to sell boats to offset their nuclear submarine dreams.

[@mickobrien4619]

NZ is a poor man’s Tassie.

[@alexlanning712]

Tassie is the testicle of Australia

[@MG-fr3tn]

Hiding from drones and disrupting gps , thats inportant.

[@jemma_19988]

Nz has just launched a new ship hmnzs reefer

[@sergiozammel8261]

Well, we could have given them our - F 111's , Anzac frigates, Tiger helicopters, M1A1 Abrams tanks, our M113 troop carriers, our legacy F A 18 Hornets, and our unused SLR and AR platforms, our Mirage 111'S and our Leopard tanks, and our PC3 Orions ...we could have had a significantly boosted armed side Kick now they got Fk all !! Excellent logistics !

[@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig]

7:00 🤣🤣🤣'''''Clean coal.... good clean coal... our Ozzy coal... If they can't be burnin our good clean Ozzy coal... they only be burnin dat dirty Colombian coal'''''' 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-ii1iy8fz1d]

Instead of sinking our own fleet 😂❤

[@andrewcombe8907]

Have a NZ infantry company permanently based in Townsville with 2RAR to be interoperable as part of the ADF amphibious force and make both nations’ Navies and Air Forces interoperable. Stop buggerising around with defence.

[@Beauloqs]

Theres a buckshee ships compliment .,....

[@jamesmartin4500]

Lots of buzzwords here: geostrategic, state actors, on the frontline, pacific-led

[@IIIIALBYIIII]

NZ.....why bro? AUS... because China is getting stronger and better.

[@twodogsruakuri]

This politician is clearly an NPC

[@jemma_19988]

First we need a bigger boat

[@cyberleaderandy1]

This is comical as the NZ navy just sank their own ship 😂😂😂

[@richardireland6072]

They still have that keyboard and mouse in front of jack 😂😂…makes no sense

[@robhappe2705]

Yes hire some more DEI nonuts

[@gregg7617]

The last labour coalition nearly destroyed our military 😂🤣😂

[@markjacobs2803]

Why is Australia giving its old Tanks to Ukraine? Mybe help who you want to beef up there capabilities as our nations are so much poorer

[@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied]

Like the COVID response team mandatory and unnecessary 🤔

[@robertputaranui]

We got to buy a new boat yet

[@sgladiadis]

This should be top priority

[@richardrehutai6286]

We gave 3 million dollars to Ukraine and it lasted 5 minutes 3 million we could use to up our defense systems gummon

[@Kelvinpaul4]

According to Luxon NZ is broke. The government is cutting expenditure to most government departments/services, even school lunches are affected. So there shouldn't be a chance in hell to beef up our military. NZ spends 1.3 % of GDP on the military and that was going to be affected by government austerity measures as will. So, where's the funding coming from?

[@WhoamiNZ]

I think it comes down to a long-term monetary commitment. If we lock in 2% of GDP as a minimum that all governments are consistent with for decades. We could have the Defence force we need. And if the economy shrinks, the defence budget shrinks as well. Consistency is the key with anything in life.

[@badjelly1027]

@@Kelvinpaul4 We can by start manufacturing our own weapon systems with private sector and government funding. Create an industry around defense with sales offsetting the cost, it's the way of the future. The resupply logistics don't make sense ,we need to have an industry base at home. Rather than buy obsolete second hand shit, let's make state of the art mass produced equipment here that suits our geographic location. Missiles, drones and the like.

[@Kelvinpaul4]

​@@badjelly1027I agree with manufacturing weapons and munitions for our use and for sale to other nations as many developed countries do. However NZ governments think manufacturing and selling military goods is contrary to NZ character and have even stopped Kiwi Saver investing in companies who manufacture weapons or components that could be used in the manufacturing of weapons and munitions. NZ companies are prohibited from being involved in the manufacturing and or selling military weapons and munitions on international markets. Which is stupid.

[@badjelly1027]

@@Kelvinpaul4 That's correct, I guess we will have to import this equipment at exorbitant cost. I just hope we change our mindset as to what military hardware will actually be effective and what our defense strategy is . We do however have more pressing problems at home that need attention.

[@TyreseSummers]

​@@badjelly1027 I think for the navy innovating and researching remote controll patroll vessels and alike would be a great thing for nz todo as other countries would have a interest in it and we could get in early and become a innovator in it. But we should manufacture things that we can also sell to other countries to keep people employed here and as you said off set the costs I also believe more ships with the same capabilities as the Canterbury could be a great soft power. To keep the south island nations in our/ allies/usa/aus sphere of influence which would help prevent a Chinese millitary base. Just imagine if we had a few ships that could supply and help in relief/ construction efforts for a entire island I'd help our own country and our neighbors it wouldn't be able to destroy a destroyer but I'd make it harder for China to have a foot hold.

[@Go_Home_British_Raj]

I remember when OZ would stand up to commands from bullies

[@Btuxy]

When usa say move aus nz say ok boss

[@johnjames6593]

Weapons take a long time to acquire build and stockpile. You better pull you lazy finger out NZ.

[@missyboyd-morris]

No damned way! So my children and grandchildren can go fight a war against Iran? Be Honest! You shall not kill! Disobey that Command is lethal! PTSD!,

[@matthewboyall5965]

A CANZUK military??

[@PariahBoy]

How about Solomon Island having a Chinese military base?.😂

[@otiebrown9999]

DEI SINKS SHIPS.

[@garthbane2955]

Insane waist of money time and resourses

[@elvismiki9121]

A failure 😂😂😂

[@robertmariu6783]

Beware aukus and this American proxy !

[@azbgames6827]

Я знаю, что ты русский, товарищ!

[@New_Zealander]

@@azbgames6827 I'm a Russian comrade so what??? It's better than being a NATO/US/UK bot such as yourself.

[@tumeke4328]

Aukus warmongerers

[@jutland7755]

How is AUKUS a proxy in any way? Need better propaganda from you!

[@TyreseSummers]

​@@New_Zealander don't claim to be a kiwi then bro you russian bot

[@Smitty55888]

What military? what a joke

[@kinasandwich7624]

Rubbish

[@andrewferguson887]

We've always worked together anyway, just dont send your DEI hire women Navy ship captains, you know , like the one that sank their biggest Navy ship on that reef. 😂

[@SpatialAdmirer273]

Alot of opinions and wants and everyone thinking they know whats going on 😂

[@michaelaitken2631]

I doubt Aussie would want our kiwi armed forces (such as they are) anywhere near their modern, highly trained, well equipped armed forces.