Jonathan Karl | Tired of Winning: Donald Trump and the End of the Grand Old Party

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In conversation with Tamala Edwards, anchor, 6abc Action News morning edition
Jonathan Karl is the author of the instant New York Times bestsellers Front Row at the Trump Show and Betrayal, behind-the-scenes accounts of Donald Trump and his allies’ unprecedented actions while in office and the chaotic events that followed the 2020 presidential election. The co-anchor of This Week with George Stephanopolous and chief Washington correspondent for ABC News, he has also covered some of D.C.’s most important beats, including four presidential administrations, Capitol Hill, the Pentagon, and the State Department. Karl was the president of the White House Correspondents’ Association from 2019 to 2020 and has earned the Walter Cronkite Award for National Individual Achievement, an Emmy Award, and the Everett McKinley Dirksen Award, the highest honor for Congressional reporting. Replete with all new reportage, Tired of Winning examines the ways in which Trump has remolded the Republican Party in his own image, the damage he’s left in his wake, and his improbable resurgence.
Recorded November 15, 2023
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[@AgeofAquarius-xu3bk]

He doesn’t want the “job”. He wants the power . HUGE difference.

[@thomasrice4078]

Very well said.

[@aussiegirl-jx7nj]

I will never forgive McCarthy for resurrecting Trump. I'd go as far as to say it's largely his fault that we find ourselves in this untenable situation. He wanted to be speaker. How did that work out for you Kevin?

[@Kakra61]

When the story of the destruction of America's democracy comes to be told, people like McCarthy, Barr, McConnell will have chapters describing their roles.

[@cydppalley2644]

I blame Jim Comey for the Orange Hemorrhoid becoming CIC.

[@markg.7865]

Don't forget Mitch McConnell for not voting to remove the clown....twice!

[@MotownGal]

Loyalty is the first goose-step.

[@Ahtaht227]

But trump is loyal to no one

[@brigitte9999]

No, loyalty is a virtue reserved those who exhibit, quality of character. What is character? Probably loyalty to good.

[@rhondah1587]

When it's loyalty to one personality that is the first goose-step. When a cult of personality forms around one person there is danger in the wind. When that cult names that person their "chosen one" and their "messiah" there is danger on the ground and to the rest of humanity.

[@karenlcullen]

I wish Trump would get "tired of WHINING!"

[@georgehays4900]

I remember thinking when I was a young man fascinated with American history especially the history of the US Civil War and our involvement in World War II etc. How could all of the southern states get behind leaving the union, how could all of the German people get behind Adolf Hitler? Now I think how could so many Americans believe that Trump could be a good president in 2016 and possibly again in 2024?

[@robertmclaughlin9472]

I'm no professional historian so I'm not going even going to try and explain in a sentence or two Hitler's ascension. As for the the Confederacy, while a gross simplification, I think that there's a lot of truth to the southern mindset so wonderfully articulated by Shelby Foote (as featured in the Ken Burns series, "The Civil Wat"). At that time people first and foremost saw allegiance to their state. People back then said the United States "are" but we now say the US "is" without giving it any thought. The Civil War was the rebirth of the nation. The socio-economic upheaval wrought by the Great Depression and WWII went even further in transforming the American mindset. Now with that said, the prospect of Trump 2024 is terrifuckingfying.

[@carolinemaybe]

Thanks to propagandists like Bannon et al trump has a cult as Hitler did.

[@sarahblade676]

I too am dumbfounded by the gullibility of my simple-minded friends & family who still believe the lies & propaganda espoused by trump himself, right wing media & outrageous conspiracy pushing pod casts etc. So much unbelievable nonsense circulates to titillate & perpetuate false narratives to prop up trump as a super hero, answer to prayer...in the name of Jesus. I am a Christ follower myself, but trump's hero worship is false worship! Trump is a liar, a cheat & a dirty rotten scoundrel...by most true accounts. All that being said, l heartily believe "Players Always Get Played" (my own quote) because they play themselves! Thus trump will be the demise of trump!..he will play himself! undermine his own legitimacy & reveal his true fallen character for the world to see in a total humiliating fashion. It will be the ultimate Epic Fail! Mark my words. Vote Blue! 😅🇺🇸

[@rhodastephens-yoder5693]

@@dave3749There are also large portions of this country where the only “news” that they can access is Fox, OAN, Rush Limbaugh/Alex Jones, etc. I learned this when my husband and I were on vacation in New Mexico, Utah, Virginia, and Florida. We literally had to use Bluetooth to get our news. Absolutely amazing. 😢

[@edwardb7811]

@@robertmclaughlin9472 There is truth in what you say about loyalty to one's state raher than to the union. However, the role of slavery and its economic importance to the South is also very important.

[@darlinespring4066]

Excellent Question: “Does he really want the job?”. I’m soooo glad someone finally asked it. I’ve never believed that he wanted to do the job the first time around. He simply wants the power the office brings.

[@carolinemaybe]

Exactly. He wanted the position of king without any of the work. He wanted the pomp and circumstance that he imagined the job was not the day to day nitty gritty. Plus he saw it as a way to make more money.

[@darlinespring4066]

Good point about the money.

[@robertmclaughlin9472]

Better still, Maggie Haberman asked Trump for "Confidence Man" if he would do it all over again to which he replied, in effect, "I've got plenty of friends who are rich and no one knows who they are, so, I guess, yeah."

[@katherineweber8955]

Exactly. My thought, too. Trump just wants power and money and absolutely no criticism. Just like Putin.

[@denisehall4818]

I don't think he has ever wanted to do the job in a responsible way.He wants the prestige and the power.

[@914WOL]

He’s the PT Barnum of politics. The people love that…..poor country.

[@paulhoffer3123]

Try "SNAKE SALESMAN".

[@danthomas6587]

I've always loved Tamala Edwards. She's a wonderful addition to the Action News Team. And she's beautiful in my humble opinion.

[@robertsabre49]

Response to the final question from the audience,they”stood up” for democracy only because the J6 committee made them stand up,they never would have on their own.

[@roberthevern6169]

Anytime I see a Jonathon Karl interview, I watch it! Integrity personified! Thanks for posting this, and for any future posts!

[@Anabee3]

SAME! Johnathan Karl & David Brooks! They both grab my attn, instantly& effortlessly.

[@donjackson4563]

I didn't think he was down to earth. Cool guy 😎 to hang out with. Real pro.

[@cherylfelix392]

karl fake news, lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!do your homework. media causing civil war.pay attention. vote red.....

[@timotheusvanesch3959]

First of all: I'm happy that many American[ian]s acknowledge the danger drumpty-dumpty poses. Although I must say you are just too nice for him. Living in Europe, I can see in from the outside. And to me, he doesn't look naive. Narcissistic & malignant, absolutely, but he knows power when he sees it. And he wants it. And to OWN power, you NEED to have a malicious mind. If not, you use your power for the better good (according to yourself) and it becomes your strength. drumpty-dumpty is not that. He is deliberately nefarious, malicious even. He cozies up to Viktor Órban, the one European leader that turned its democracy into an autocracy. Every autocrat in the book is a good example for him and he wants to be friends with them. Not with democracies, since they are a threat to his power. So he knows what he wants, and it's power. He doesn't know what to do with it or how to get it, but he knows that that's what he wants. That's not naive, that's incredibly dangerous. This image of him being naive and "he says what he means" etc., is his image. His way of getting to power, because it's what he's always done. Does he know that what he is saying is fascist? I think he doesn't care. Like his first wife said: He had a book with Hilter's quotes on his night stand. I think he genuinly doesn't understand the difference between 'good' and 'bad' here, since for him power is good. In whichever way you can get it. But I am pretty sure he knows what he is saying. And understands that if it's the Mussolini-way, then fine, let's take the Mussolini-way. So, he sounds more like someone who deliberately tries to avoid to understand any consequence of his actions, but he is well aware of what he's doing. He just doesn't have that roadmap that people like Putlin have. So he sounds like a whining 5-year old. But he's not. He's 80+.

[@Anabee3]

I could not agree more. As Jon Stewart (former Host of "The Daily Show" has tried to warn his supporters: "He's not PROTECTING you, he's USING you as a SHIELD". I say- There's a reason djt's favorite poem ends with "I TOLD you Im a snake!" I blv djt's ultimate goal I'd to have his own little country to rule over & pass down to offspring, Jung Un style. And that his fans hope & pray for that to come to fruition. I think the S.E. region of USA would be the region he could take over...with cheering fans.

[@edwardb7811]

"We have a good system of laws, but it depends upon responsible people acting responsibly.'" Mr. Karl is wise.

[@Seekthetruth3000]

He is a hack for the Democratic Party.

[@kellyberry4173]

Best comment

[@Jay-xw9ll]

If you write a book about Trump and he fails to condemn you as a talentless hack you have written it wrong.

[@thomasrice4078]

That's funny! Thank you.

[@andyroo9381]

Jonathan Karl is always so "responsible" as a journalist. It is nice to see him to animated and in a casual state of mind here.

[@robertmclaughlin9472]

Tamala Edwards seems to have that effect, especially given the subject matter and their years of friendship. I really enjoyed her interviews with Maggie Haberman.

[@sherryt9152]

Thanks for an excellent book talk. It is nice to hear intelligent and informed people discuss our country’s future with clear eyes and a sober manner.

[@marykuhn337]

One of the last questions was “ What would it look like day to day if trump was president again?” Trump watched tv all day long as president, watching and reading his reviews. There were no “policies” to speak of, he misused his office to enrich himself….THAT was his focus.

[@TheGuinever]

It’s worse now, because his focus is on getting back at anyone who criticized him. AND, minor detail, he wants to be a dictator. What is BEYOND COMPREHENSION is the sheer size of his crowd of loyalists. He really could go out on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and these people would STILL support him!

[@katherineweber8955]

Excellent interview. Thank you.

[@pam7626]

I love Jonathan Karl!! Great journalist!! He is honest and has great integrity !!💙

[@jamesl9371]

Vote Democrat 💙💙💙

[@carolinemaybe]

“A little angrier”? He’s a whole heap angrier. His friends had hoped the presidency would fill the huge hole in him but sadly it didn’t and revenge is all he feels now.

[@Anabee3]

Djt, is indeed, the same emotional bottomless pit he has always bn. Instead of getting therapy, he unleashes his fury on the entire world. His supporters/voters are mostly to blame for the power he has, tho, for his 2016 win & for 2024 if he wins again

[@patrarus6097]

Thanks for posting this excellent interview. Jonathan Karl is my favorite reporter -- a total professional with high journalistic standards and a delightful sense of humor.

[@Caligirl56]

EXCELLENT!! Thank you!!💙💙💙🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 💙💙💙

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

Inflation was 0% last month and some prices are coming down now.

[@Adogslife54]

But, but, but…Republicans keep saying America is headed in the wrong direction! They want to do an about face! Please don’t let them! Please vote blue, y’all!

[@daveyhansen]

What planet are you living on?

[@shawnnewell4541]

​@@daveyhansenEarth. My Amazon grocery list notifies me of price reductions. I've had quite a few of them. Also clothing.

[@daveyhansen]

Congrats on enriching Bezos.@@shawnnewell4541

[@georgehays4900]

Who ever wrote the note to self could not have said it better. Hopefully more people saw Trump in similar fashion. A malignant narcissist with strong sociopathic traits.

[@briandavis8977]

you must be a real expert. what does that make Biden?

[@tomarmstrong1281]

@@briandavis8977 Whatever Biden is, or isn't, he has never lied and cheated in marriages or businesses anywhere near Trump.

[@robertmclaughlin9472]

@@briandavis8977 Why should he answer because the sarcastic tone of your post strongly suggests you're going to reject whatever he says and you want an excuse to attack him for his likely support of Biden?

[@astronautical1082]

@@briandavis8977 Those who think T.rump is anything other than a clinically stupid and sociopathic narcissist usually suffer from similar defects and want them normalized instead of doing the hard work of becoming better minded.

[@carolinemaybe]

@@briandavis8977are you a bot or paid troll? If you’re neither then you’re just a cultist so not worth engaging with.

[@markbeames7852]

Please recall that in June 2017, Trump invited the vocal pronouncements of thanks, appreciation and loyalty by his Cabinet members, right along the table in the Roosevelt Room of the White House. A foreshadowing of the state of the "GOP" MAGA today.

[@corryjookit7818]

It is Squeeky Bum time to watch that video. It is shocking to watch, hideous stuff.

[@cinbadras]

He knew he lost but also knew he was in deep trouble legally and financially. The only way out was to retain the presidency.

[@coley673]

This book was really good and the ending made me cry. So great to hear from someone who truly gets the gravity of all that happened on 9/11 and all that has happened since.

[@jacknife10000]

Tired of winning is what someone who is losing would say

[@candorablecando8093]

I don’t give McCarthy a free pass re: the Maralago photo. What was his excuse after that photo!?!

[@davidglemboski258]

There is a reason that for four years of trump's numerous days on the golf course,...not once,......I mean not once did you ever see trump spending a single day out on the course with his son, Baron...........

[@amarbyrd2520]

He doesn't want to be seen with Barron anymore since Barron is taller than he is

[@CursedCommentaries]

Better outside all day than in the basement all day *honk honk*

[@CursedCommentaries]

Yeah biden loves his kids alright *honk honk*

[@signalfire6691]

@@amarbyrd2520 And Barron knows exactly what Daddy is.

[@Dustandfuzz]

@@signalfire6691 Melania said Baron is just like his father, a little Donald. I hope she is wrong.

[@carolrujiraviriyapinyo4933]

Amazing eye opening conversation.

[@dorothyjwilliams3255]

This is why I always listen to you. You tell the truth!!!

[@williamhedglin3036]

WOW, the description of trump is 100 percent TRUTH.

[@wendyfrith3407]

Actually, the story about the people being blocked from leaving Mar-a-lago on the occasion of Trump’s campaign announcement made my hair stand on end. This was not only sad and pathetic, it was something out of North Korea, differing only in degree, rather like the famous exchange between Churchill and socialite seated next to him: Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?" Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... " Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?" Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!" Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.”

[@cathryncampbell8555]

@wendyfrith3407 -- Thank you for sharing this delightful anecdote. When I first encountered it, the saucy gentleman who posed his suggestive question was George Bernard Shaw. Great story no matter who the gentleman was....

[@wendyfrith3407]

I stand corrected! No doubt it was the Englishman who was quoting the Irishman, if he had ever said it at all!

[@marylesak8529]

Trump turned politics into a tv show 🤬

[@lynnebucher6537]

"Survivor: Washington DC"

[@doneestoner9945]

A horror show.

[@tomarmstrong1281]

As Karl puts it, he destroys the norms and protocols of American institution. I am not an American but I have spent time in America having had to work there on several occasions. Those characteristics which Karl identifies are precisely the reasons tens of millions of Americans love Trump. They are a massive section of the American public which are disenfranchised from those institutions. And that is the root of the problem which is eating at the soul of America. Not a good situation in which democratic principles will necessarily yield good results.

[@timdonovan4554]

Border awareness much when it comes to norms and protocols of American Institutions?

[@mistiecantey1]

Trump supporters definitely have a point. I just don’t believe Trump can provide the solution and electing him risks having the solution taken out of voters’ hands.

[@tomarmstrong1281]

@@timdonovan4554 You know what you mean, buggered if I do.

[@tomarmstrong1281]

@@mistiecantey1 Many of his supporters are patriotic Americans who have been dumped with no or very little support from huge corporations or anyone else, who have abandoned America for more enormous profits from low-wage third-world countries. Trump just says the words which get him the votes. He is a wazzock.

[@georgehays4900]

Sometimes we need an outsider to point out the truth.

[@drummerjw]

the last few president's I've focused on - has anyone notice how much older faster they look after their term of office? just imagine the hard work and worries they must go through. trump on the other hand looked the same as when he first pledge his oath to office - what does that tell you ...

[@signalfire6691]

The good news is, he's aging REAL fast now that he's starting to see the legal ramifications of all the crimes he knows he committed. It's also obvious that his drug use has changed. He used to do uppers all the time so he could boast about his 'stamina'. He doesn't seem to have access to them so much now - eyes are infrequently dilated. He was taking them especially when he had to read a prepared speech. Now, he's low energy, boring and hasn't had enough sleep. He's fucking up all the time.

[@johnfalloon596]

Wonderful presentation!!

[@gudlisner501]

Tired of Waiting by the Kinks could easily be altered to “Tired of Winning” by so computer whizz.

[@chris4973]

You mean like a parody? Something like No Joke I’m Always Lying A Trump parody sing along to Brewer and Shipley’s One Toke Over the Line No joke I’m always lying, sweet Jesus No joke I’m always lying Even sitting downtown in a railway station No joke I’m always lying Await the forced sale of my home, Sweet Mary Hoping I can push back the time Even sitting downtown in a railway station No joke I’m always lying Who do you love? Damn best be me I ain’t been changing as all can plainly see I feel no joy ‘less I’m causing others pain That’s what some have said If I allow pain too deep inside of me Would surely strike me dead So now I’m No joke! I’m always lying, Sweet Jesus No joke I’m always lying Lying to my myself to bury my emotions No joke I’m always lying Await the forced sale of my home, Sweet Mary Hoping I can push back the time Even sitting downtown in a railway station No joke I’m always lying I can’t stay away, not by a country mile Not with cameras calling me to flash my handsome smile I met all the girls and I fingered up a few ‘N to no one’s surprise As to everything that I go through I just respond with lies And now I’m No joke! I’m always lying, Sweet Jesus No joke I’m always lying Even sitting downtown in a railway station No joke I’m always lying Await the forced sale of my home Sweet Mary Hoping I can push back the time Even sitting downtown in a railway station No joke I’m always lying Don’t you know I await the forced sale of my home, Sweet Mary Hoping I can push back the time Even sitting downtown in a railway station No joke I’m always lying I want to be - No joke! - want to be lying, Sweet Jesus No joke I want to be lying (Sitting downtown) Sitting in a railway station No joke I’m always lying Even sitting downtown in a railway station no joke I’m always lying Or American Fascist A parody sing along to The Guess Who’s American Woman American fascist what messed up your mind? American fascists mess’n with our minds American fascist what messed up your mind? American fascist what messed up your mind? Say A Say M Say E Say R Say I Say C Say A N American fascist what messed up your mind? Mmmm, American fascists mess’n with our minds American fascist what messed up your mind? American fascists Get away from we American fascists Better let us be Stop your empiring well short our door We don’t wanna see you fascists no more We’ve got more important things to do Might even grow old if we’re rid of you Now fascists! We said stay away American fascists Listen what we say American fascist Stay away from we American fascists Better let us be Don’t come round knocking down all our doors We’re done bowing down to you fascists for sure What you fail to realize Is put down long enough we rise Now fascist We said stay away American fascists Listen what we say American fascist Said stay away American fascists Listen what we say Don’t come round knocking down all our doors We don’t wanna see you fascists no more We tire of your non-stop war machine Won’t replicate your ghetto scenes What you fail to realize Is put us down too long we’ll rise Now fascists Stay away from we American fascists Better let us be Go! Stay the hell away Get away right now, go, go, go Don’t want to see you fascists How ‘bout you leave, you fascists Bye-bye Bye-bye Bye-bye Bye-bye Fascism’s no good for me, fascism’s no good for you Gonna look you Rights in the eye and tell you what you ought’a do You know you ought’a leave You know you ought’a go, you know you ought’a leave We know you gotta go, fascists Go on and leave fascists Goodbye American fascists America ‘n Israel’re SICK

[@michelebenedosso3899]

My opinion on why seemingly normal people would support someone like Trump…. Trump is an evil-spirited person, and he unleashes that same evil-spirit that seemingly “normal” people possess themselves… They admire him for being open about it, while they kept it deep within for years.

[@mistiecantey1]

How sad but you are probably right.

[@michelebenedosso3899]

@@mistiecantey1 So, so sad… 🥲

[@joanbondira2201]

Also, he promises to hurt the people that they hate.

[@yotajames4145]

That's why all these racist people....everyday folks and public figures are just blatantly showing themselves.

[@kellyberry4173]

..."it gets better!"....😂Thank you Jonathan. Loved the book! Great interview!

[@sharondavid-melly1498]

No excuses for trump. He deliberately doesn't care

[@Adogslife54]

The argument is self evident. If Trump is not intelligent enough to know he lost the election, then he is not intelligent enough to be a political leader.

[@jerry42023]

Klaus Schwab care more?

[@emma-kateelliott6687]

Brilliant interview

[@lynnkalles2055]

VOTE BLUE if you love America 🇺🇸 💙

[@jerry42023]

😂🤡

[@josephupton3601]

The democrat party is America's version of the communist party.

[@antoineharel6923]

Great interview...thanks

[@wayneheins3204]

I sure hope all people come to their senses

[@lexluthor9509]

Not me.

[@Anabee3]

I hope so, too, but I seriously doubt it, espcly after listening to Rachel Maddow's "Prequel" & learned ALOT, including that there's ALWAYS been MILLIONS of Americans, incldg Congressmen & Presidents who DESPERATELY & FERVERENTLY WANT a dictator, like Hitler, to rule over them & the entire country.

[@mandyinseattle]

I loved the audiobook and have seen many interviews and I can't seem to get enough!

[@davidoran123]

Support Democracy......VOTE BLUE

[@johnwhitney1439]

For the vast number of baby boomers democracy is the number one issue on the ballot for 2024 that means we only have about a year and a half to educate those that don't know what a democracy is compared to an autocracy🎉

[@AnaTai3]

um the General Election is less than a year away - Tuesday November 5, 2024

[@bryanmachin3738]

I think a lot of them DO understand the difference, and no longer want democracy. Seriously.

[@carolinemaybe]

It’s a cult, it’s a cult, it’s a cult.

[@lizannewhitlow1085]

Ignorance is reaching critical mass in the US.

[@markg.7865]

You can thank Fox fake news for that.

[@user-lj9fs1jz1z]

You KNOW SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH WHEN EVERYONE IS WRITING ABOUT IT

[@terrydee4235]

Please remind me what was great about the economy in 2019--was it the great tax giveaway to the ultra rich?

[@davidwilkie9551]

What you see is what you should expect if, as Warren Buffet says "follow the incentives", privatisation of profits and nationalisation of costs created a situation where democracy is systematically deconstructed to build total inequity.

[@rainmanjr2007]

It's the Yang for democracy's Yin.

[@gsbrockway349]

Karl exposes how dangerously ignorant trump is

[@benitagomolka1800]

Go Jonathan Karl!!!!

[@B_Bodziak]

Trump's first wife wrote in her autobiography that Trump had two hobbies -- Golfing and repeatedly watching and studying Hitler speeches. She said he was fascinated by how he was able to get so many people to adore him. I think we're seeing a good bit of the same ans similar language from Trump. She wrote her book over 25 years ago -- long before he decided ti run for office.

[@maryclare2968]

That’s interesting. I never heard that. I figured he’s just a willing tool of Bannon and the like.

[@joycesmith771]

YIKES! that is so telling. GOD help us!!

[@rdklkje13]

He becomes a willing tool of people like Bannon and the Project 2025 theocrats because of this tendency. Many people were shocked to hear him quote Hitler last weekend, but he's been doing this for decades. Usually paraphrased slightly, but not more than that Ishi Press International put him on the cover of their 2016 edition of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order. The very book he kept by his bed when he was married to Ivana and quite possibly still. Sounds like he may know it by heart by now. Many more US voters need to spread the word about this and Project 2025 as quickly as they can. You need to help each other prevent a swift descent into theocratic fascism in January 2025, both for your own sake and for the rest of us around the world.

[@chrisfreebairn870]

​@@rdklkje13Roe v Wade overturned, Thomas & Alito, Christofascist speaker Johnson, Jim Jordan et al & the endless state Republican shenanigans are revealing the GOP's intellectual & political bankruptcy, not to mention trumps stream of consciousness public stupidity; it's a total dog catches car scenario - no way trump can win the general in 2024, bc middle America! And also bc Democracy Docket legal cases are overturning the most egregious maps! Could be closer If there was a decent GOP nominee, so most Democrats, while still nervous about tRump, prefer he is the nominee; that's my bet.

[@rainmanjr2007]

domald's father approved of such thinking.@@rdklkje13

[@TofaeonoHollywood]

Only once he won! And then the tide turns thereafter; he lost lost lost all the way to 2023 and thereon, comes 2024! Lose lose lose!

[@genemontoya4028]

Carl gives away who's the person who says, "he's a man who knows he lost..." My first thought was Kellyanne, the next thing coming out of his mouth is Kellyanne Conway. Apparently Kellyanne still wants to work for donald.

[@rainmanjr2007]

That's why I have not payed attention to George Conway. I think they're just working both sides of the fence and making more money. That's how Lawyers think.

[@patmatt1987]

Excellent interview! Thank you for speaking up and trying to warn America of the dangers behind another Trump Presidency! Hoping America gets it and does the right thing as our democracy is on the line.

[@gentrynewsom2080]

Enjoyable Thanks

[@gjthomas9770]

The world is about to dramatically change and America is letting it happen. Thank you USA 😢

[@CursedCommentaries]

WW3 and theyre still shitting on trump 🤡🌍☠️

[@mw354]

Rage is a symptom of senility

[@ksailor71]

Amazing

[@toadeepants]

Trump says, “I am your retribution” because he knows it smacks of fire and brimstone preaching, and that his followers will respond viscerally to it, reinforcing their belief in him as their god~emperor.

[@dianafleming7371]

Trump - successful in business & politics? Surely you jest!

[@susanaviana1629]

I'm looking forward to reading the book.

[@edmundpotrzeba6094]

There are no rules or more accurately he doesn’t care what the rules are.

[@sheranjanebolton4713]

Tired Of Wingeing!

[@lesliegoodman-malamuth9796]

Glad that the host gave a shout-out to Karl’s mother!

[@robertginsburg8113]

To the gentleman's question about what's the difference between Americans who want to elect Trump and the Germans who wanted Hitler. The answer is there is no difference. Let explain what I mean by that. When as a young boy I learned about WW2 and the Nazi's. I thought those people were evil and I'm glad to live in America where people aren't evil. Fast forward to 2003 and I'm in a discussion on a web bulletin board and somenone posted a picture of an SS prison guard at home with his kids opening Christmas presents. Another person commented how "normal" they looked. I had to respond that they looked normal because they were normal people but they were doing evil things. That is the most important thing to understand about the Holocaust and why it needs to be taught to children. A fascist type of leadership is always a threat to any democracy it can and will happen if you don't see and stop it before it siezes power. It's happened to Russia and we are dangerously close to it happening here in the U.S.

[@caroleclem1580]

Oh god thank you thank you thank you thank you for putting that in words seems to be a morning my first day of my Thanksgiving break and since 2016 and I’m watching so many awesome shows correct word noches

[@Logic-km7ui]

Since when aren't journalists supposed to make judgments? The entire profession is based on hopefully informed and sound judgments -- from story selection to placement. That's a good thing. Otherwise you're just stenographers.

[@Bob-sd8ns]

❤

[@OriginalThinker_]

Whining, but winning. Duh!

[@TheGuinever]

Americans haven’t done their due diligence. Apparently too many of us thought democracy didn’t require regular maintenance, believed it would just take care of itself. Americans like shiny objects and the next big thing. We have squandered everything our grandparents fought for.

[@Zalvation3]

Scary stuff..

[@RM-xf9gi]

Trump is such a great con artist he even fools Karl and the other conservative reporters from time to time. Trump is the king of the con. So likable and telling them things they want to hear. Strumming their hearts with his lies.

[@robertsabre49]

trump says he’s tired of winning and I’m tired of his whining!

[@barbarathomason5137]

Has Jonathan Karl read the Heritage Foundation 2025 Report?

[@johnstallings4049]

He probably has! ❄️🌎❄️

[@rdklkje13]

Doesn't sound like it here, but seeing as he must be aware of the very active Project 2025 network I was wondering why he didn't mention it in this talk. There absolutely are theocratic fascists waiting in the wings this time, and they're going all out in their preparations to hit the ground running in January 2025. If you're in the US, please do what you can to stop them before they wreak havoc not only in the US but around the globe.

[@michelehood7014]

Wow! Really?!?

[@citizenkent1223]

G.O.P. ceased to exist, RIP...Thank You. Donald J. Trump!

[@markg.7865]

The GOP is a cult now and dumb Donald is their cult clown messiah.

[@soundshaper]

It's more like "tired of whining". That's about all the guy does.

[@lunazamoraart]

It was Mick Mulvaney, I wonder where he is now.

[@maureen9635]

Can we now please call the GOP instead the UFFR ( Union of Fascist Former Republicans). The similarity with USSR is not a coincidence.

[@ogyaherd9667]

Imagine how much of a racist undercurrent this indicates and that abides in this country...

[@timdonovan4554]

Karl when asked are things worse now and says...."worse is a judgement that as a reporter I am reluctantly to make"

[@theresaedwards6542]

I am not a reporter so I will say that things are better now. The economy is strong, no pandemic, and I have a president who knows how to govern. tRump benefitted from Obama's economy following Bush's massive screw up. So, absolutely things are better now!

[@PaulaDTozer]

Quite revealing, however, the person of whom he speaks and gets air time to discuss…still gets to run for the highest role in the land…again. My friends, we can debate and speak about his escapades until we are nauseous…but please tell me…what’s wrong with this picture?

[@genemontoya4028]

Failed justice system no matter the outcome of the subject's verdict and sentence. Nobody should be afforded the amount of leeway to destroy democracy the way the subject has. The fact the SCOTUS is as criminal as they are may be a stronger example. Any solution requires an overwhelming reconstruction and if any party in this limited system of options we have, is not the one that begins with the letter R.

[@thomasskokan2001]

There was a BBC documentary released in USA in 2016 in time to sway the election, but ,alas it was too long ( 2hr 35 min ) for our A D D 20 sec sound byte culture....It traced the roots of MAGA back to the 1968 Nixon presidential campaign, and , the rest , as they say , has been history .... I can no longer find it anywhere....It was extremely well done and very worthy of discussion....can anyone help me find it ?

[@lynnebucher6537]

I dug around on the net and no luck finding it either. Did you try searching on the BBC website?

[@thomasskokan2001]

@@lynnebucher6537 Thanks for looking ! I wasn't able to find it months ago....It is remarkably comprehensive, tracing the roots of MAGA back to how Nixon wooed the Dixiecrats in the deep south who were hatefully well represented by Alabama gov George Wallace ( Who ran as an independent as well as a Dem ) champion 🏆 of the old CSA ( Confederate States of America) who NEVER wanted to face the fact that they lost the Civil War.Nixon successfully got disgruntled Dixiecrats to vote GOP & won a narrow victory ( 3% ) over Hubert Humphrey in 1968 .Once in office Nixon used the FBI / CIA & other dirty tricksters to ruin all his rivals for the next election ( 1972 ) & went on to the greatest state tally in history ( have to check # s ) FORTY NINE OUT OF FIFTY STATES ‼️‼️ As soon as he was reelected he began making plans to change the Constitutional 2 term limit So he could stay in power for ... 4 more, 4 more for ever ....reminds me of a couple fellows we know ......

[@waltersjr.fritsch3782]

Something new, 11, 1923

[@mikedarrah6945]

the party of lincoln has become the party of lincoln logs

[@jamesl9371]

End of the GOP. I hope so but I really doubt it. There’s millions of loony Americans who will always vote for them

[@gregtenney7279]

The appeal is Trumps entertainment value... He is so stupid that he is funny...Theres a lot funnier than him out there and I highly encourage other comedians to get out there and run for president and show people that there is funnier people than Trump and if its a comedian you want to elect than at least make that person a good one.

[@markwoollard]

Is Don McGahn the source of the quote?

[@edwardb7811]

That was a great quote disparaging Trump from an unnamed person who worked in his administration. That quote is not different from anonymous quotes while Trump was in office as well as quotes after the fact from sources who permit their names to be used. Those quotes do provide insight, but I wonder if all these remarks had been published with by-name attribution they might have turned some of the Trump base and donors against Trump when it could have made a difference.

[@Anabee3]

I seriously doubt that bc remember; The vast majority of Republican politicians/admin or adjacent openly & very publically shared their disdain twd djt, incldg Kayliegh MacEneny, Ted Cruz & many MANY others...UNTIL there were SO MANY MILLIONS of USA voters that made it more than clear that they wanted NONE OTHER THAN TRUMP, that they decided- (paraphrase) "Hmmm..welp!- the people have spoken. So if I want to stay in Republican Politics, I guess I better get on board. Maybe he'll adapt". After watching/hearing Rachel Maddow's ",PREQUEL" I realize the ASTONISHING fact that there have ALWAYS been millions of Americans, incldg Congressmen, who have desperately & fervently WANTED a dictator, like Hitler, to rule over them & the entire country, with a cruel, iron fist. Well, I shouldn't say ALWAYS, bc Idk that FOR SURE, but, for sure, since as far back as when Hitler started up with his regime. Truman was a supporter of Nazi's, as well. There were mass parades & all sorts of events in support of Hitler here in USA. Very SURREAL.

[@ifiknewthen13]

It should be tired of whining!!!

[@gs547]

Sounds very emotional. ???

[@missmurrydesign7115]

Delicious...

[@kimmccormick5922]

How many people does Trump have to do a complete about face regarding before his acolytes face the truth.

[@lynnebucher6537]

I can tell you that I drank way too much when #45 was elected the first time. I was so shocked!

[@dilsadmeraler]

I don’t trust any republican will be thinking this country’s future and democracy in power right now. They first said don’t impeach him even though he deserved it but let judiciary system do its job and keep him accountable for his crimes. When all these cases started they started to say this is political let the voters decide!! We can’t trust them at all