Cassidy Hutchinson and Ken Burns: The Capitol Riots on January 6

If Donald Trump “is elected as the next president of the United States, we are one step closer to operating under a dictatorship.”
Ken Burns sits down with Cassidy Hutchinson, former White House aide for Mark Meadows and witness to the Capitol riot on January 6, to discuss her new book, ENOUGH, what she sees as the consequences of a second Trump presidency, and her experience in the final days of the January 6th investigation.
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[@joshntn37111]

Orange man bad....how original. Stuff like this just gives Trump even more support. It's been 7 years of nothing but Orange Man Bad. Move on.

[@cryssiejohnson2984]

​@@joshntn37111obviously this whole conversation was lost on you

[@oliviaduke6939]

If Donald Trump becomes our next president, democracy as we know it will be over. He is mentally unstable and cares for no one but himself and his own agenda. If we allow him to get elected we disrespect the sacrifices that our grandfather's in WWII fought so hard for: to overrun a dictator.

[@liberty_and_justice67]

Cassidy Hutchinson is a patriot and demonstrated more courage than many of our elected leaders.. respect!

[@heyhandersen5802]

ditto

[@peacheswilliams4539]

Those Republicans in office will not do the right thing because they fear losing their seat or getting death threats to them and their familes from Trump supporters.

[@JC-tp5lz]

Yes, she was really the first one to have the courage to come forward with what she knew. Very brave and courageous young woman!

[@teresasellsatl]

She was with Trump before the insurrection. How is she being so glorified just for not being a crazy liar?

[@libbyworkman3459]

@liberty_and_justice67. I agree with almost everything you said. I would only change the word many to most. It does not make me happy to say that either. In addition to Cassidy‘s book, I strongly advise everyone to also read Liz Cheney’s book. I disagree with everything about her politics, but she is now trying to save our nation from the certain dictatorship of another Trump term, and I strongly agree with her.

[@roseromans8497]

She comes off as an honest, courageous young woman who has more courage in her pinky finger than the majority of the elected Republicans who lack the ethics, morals, and balls to take on a lying narcissistic loser when all it would take is to TELL THE TRUTH that the majority of them will admit to in private. Compare her to Mark Meadows...hands down a stark contrast in courage, patriotism, ethics, and morals.

[@heyhandersen5802]

she had a front row seat-- as criminals attempted to abscond with the peoples choice-- little did they realize how observant she would be.

[@truthandjustice22]

A damn good spy in the house of lies, not our Whitehouse but a disgusting and corrupt evil entity! Not for the people 👿

[@jcd3869]

Yes and 98% of my life I have always believed that the vast majority of this country are decent people like her who care more for the country, future generations, than we care about ourselves. Since Trump came I have lost this belief. The nail in this coffin for me are the polls showing how many plan to vote for him and lose our democracy---just for their selfish ego's.

[@williamking8033]

Don't despair. God is in control.@@jcd3869

[@debraa.155]

She was there til the end...THAT says it all for me!!!

[@jaymacpherson8167]

Frankly, after watching the first 2016 Republican debate I am stunned hearing people who took years to recognize the destructive attributes of Donald Trump.

[@marietellez6021]

I will never understand myself , insane people

[@martinanderson312]

Yet those very people who have recognized and acknowledged their previous missteps in supporting him, and changed their opinions, are perhaps THE MOST important people we need to support this year.

[@jaymacpherson8167]

@@martinanderson312 Indeed, though I wonder about their messages being heard. I did not mean my comment to slight Ms. Hutchinson as she is exemplary.

[@kathrynfrank4291]

The whole population is fed a diet of propaganda since birth and worship greed and power.

[@kathrynfrank4291]

​@@jaymacpherson8167she is a fine person but still so full of brainwashed beliefs about the greatness of the country despite seeing the corruption up close.

[@JasonMcClainEvolved]

We owe Cassidy Hutchinson a massive debt of gratitude as a nation.

[@daverodger9771]

The world needs more Cassidy Hutchinson.

[@mnob1122]

Agreed! And the world needs more filmmakers like Ken Burns. He and Cassidy are American treasures! ❤️

[@bdwon]

I think not! The second Trump delivered his hate-filled speech against Mexicans and other foreigners in the summer of 2015 every single person should have been able to see that he was a monster, and every single person should have rejected him from that moment forward. Ms. Hutchinson and others came too late to that realization. The world needs people who are less slow to understand the danger.

[@TheLicorice3]

She liked and supported him when it suited her .

[@helainelockett9431]

I’m an Australian listening to this. Cassie your are indeed what a true American Patriot should look like. but can the maga crowd really be convinced that by changing trajectory or changing the language that Trump is dangerous for maga to change ??.. No matter what vermin he spits out the Maga crowd laps it up, and time is running out. As an Australian I fear trump more then Putin, Xi and Kim combined. Please America we need your Democracy for the free world to survive. 🙏🏿

[@Jenna-ok9wb]

​@@TheLicorice3 EXACTLY

[@lindylee1139]

Hard for me to understand how anyone could have ever supported and worked for Trump after all the disgusting things he has said and done. Still thankful she was able to break free.

[@JackMcGurnRecords310-]

Yes I was wondering the same thing. He's on film saying some of the most ignorant things. But she still voted for him, oh well she spoke out.

[@richardelliott8352]

one has to remember how young and inexperienced she was to be in such a position, in her book , while she was raised to be a republican, it was her lifelong dream to work for America in government. From being an unpaid intern , her professionalism and excellence in her job gradually brought her into the inner circles of republican power , not a dedicated belief in MAGA immorality. Although she does admit that the job demands had her so busy, she became completely engulfed in that world, until she snapped out of it. I think it also helped that trump liked to be around pretty women, and she is very dedicated and high function at work.

[@cosmiccowboy7764]

Lindylee -oh did orange man hurt your feelings cry baby

[@ambientguitarexplorations]

it's the result of multigenerational conservative brain rot. She was told to be a conservative by her parents and continued to be a conservative into adulthood, likely not giving it much thought until a major shock to her system jarred her (slightly) out of her brainwashing. I've seen it a lot with 'young conservatives.' They are often incapable of thinking outside the boxes their families put them in.

[@JC-tp5lz]

@@richardelliott8352 Outstanding analysis Richard, and spot on for accuracy! Thank you!

[@rogosobe]

Absolutely fantastic interview. Thanks Mr. Burns for giving to us the opportunity to watch and listen to the very impressive views of Cassidy Hutchinson.

[@KernowekTim]

I so enjoy that Mr Burns allows Cassidy to speak freely, without interruption. Far too many interviewers won't let their interviewees do this. Most seem too fond of their own voice.

[@vinista256]

@@KernowekTim it’s the difference between a historian and a journalist-at least, the kind of journalists who dominate the field today.

[@thfpnw7103]

Thank you Ms. Hutchinson. I am grateful for your integrity and speaking truth to power.

[@imacmill]

Too little, too late. She and her parents were 3 of millions of hate-filled citizens that were drawn to the heinous sloth that is Donald J. Trump. He is -- and was -- the physical embodiment of the Seven Deadly Sins, and she saw him as a savior. Trump WILL be the 47th -- and FINAL -- POTUS this year, and she and the rest of MAGA will go down in the history books as the fuel Trump (and his billionaire backers) used to light the country on fire. And just wait until you see who Trump assigns as his successor...it will leave all our souls baron.

[@LinFromMinn]

She is more brave than anyone she worked for and knew in DC. I want to THANK HER! She is a blessing and a hero to our Democracy. America owes you our gratitude, Cassidy. You are an exceptional young woman.

[@kimberlybranstrom5611]

This show needs to air on every network available!

[@asbeautifulasasunset]

Networks were never going to expose DJT because he was their cash cow. Still won't do it until the game is up. Then they'll make more money documenting his crash. As long as a significant number of people are watching, there will be no end of Trump.

[@heyhandersen5802]

You are correct Mr. Burns. The next election will be the point of historic struggle.

[@007Julie]

I’m so scared just to think about it, with every passing day Biden acts with less and less authority. And there’s no one to stop Trump, the Republicans are all pandering to his madness and he’s absorbing all that power. It’s not going to be a pretty election.

[@AZOffRoadster]

She is now OFFICIALLY a part of history. Got the Burns Bump.

[@evafjerstad461]

I see a future Burns documentary on the horizon about January 6.

[@jeangriffith8017]

Once again, thank you Mr. Ken Burns. Ms. Cassidy Hutchinson is truly a profile in courage.

[@patriciaadams4171]

Not really. She's more a profile of a misdirected young careerist who finally got 'unwarped' and found her citizenship morality.

[@maryknight4109]

​@@patriciaadams4171- Agreed.

[@HomeAtLast501]

I want to thank him for his horribly formulaic, ossified approach to making films.

[@jeangriffith8017]

Then YOU make a better film. You cannot do it. @@HomeAtLast501

[@biffmasterson9786]

234 to 2 speaks more about the 2

[@joanstepleton1637]

Ken, you need to do a documentary on the bravery of women during this time. Yellen, yavanovich, Hutchinson, even Cheney. There are others.

[@UVIcki]

Yes, why aren't more men stepping up?

[@wendigo53]

@@UVIcki Nobody wants to hear about MY story on Jan 6. I watched live feeds on KZbin while simultaneously watching live text feeds from CNN and other sites. And sharing snarky comments with my brother. If I knew you were interested, I would have saved the text message history from my phone.

[@71suns]

Amen

[@71suns]

@@wendigo53 Did you remember to like your own comment?

[@wendigo53]

@@71suns Nope, but I just did thanks 🙂

[@daren7889]

Retired Teacher here! 37 years! Thank you Cassidy for your courage ! You are a great role model to students in the USA! I bought your book and after I read it , I donated it to my local public rary so others could read your excellent book! I also donated both Mary Trump's books, both of Michael Cohen's two books, and I recently purchased Liz Chaney's book and Adam Kinzinger 's book too! I will be donating those books too! It's my give back as a retired teacher! Thank you for your statements on the importance of education! 🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲💙🌊💙🌊💙🌊💙🌊📗📘📚📘📗🧑‍🏫🧑‍🎤🧑‍🎓🧑‍🎓

[@daren7889]

Library

[@daren7889]

Thank you both! 🤗🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲💙🌊📚📘📗🧑‍🎓🧑‍🎓

[@ninaaldrich7514]

Thank you Cassidy for your service to our country. So strong and courageous! Thank you Ken for this interview and continuing to educate all of us about our country. Our home.

[@kaymuldoon3575]

I bought Liz Cheney’s audio book. It was very interesting indeed. I may listen to it again.

[@lynneeskil595]

You have read every book I have read. Pretty incredible witnesses.

[@markolson2466]

I’m frequently fearing that this country, this democracy could actually be lost. The courage and fortitude of this young woman gives me hope we might get through this!

[@ntaylo6299]

Amen.

[@catherinec2967]

I’m so proud of this young woman! Thank you for a great interview

[@lars277]

Integrity. Morality. Loyalty. Honor. Cassidy has those qualities.

[@angelaelisearndt5979]

Cassidy Hutchinson is an exemplary human being. Ken Burns is an American treasure. Thank you both for this exceptional talk.

[@yohei72]

If she were an exemplary human being, she wouldn’t have still been working in the Trump White House at that point, when it had long since been revealed as a fascist dictatorship in waiting. I’m glad she’s speaking up now and credit her with the guts to do that, but all the over the top praise is divorced from the facts and responsible ethical considerations.

[@vidyamcneill8519]

I recently finished your book and I must say, I was blown away by your insight. But most importantly, I now understand how much Mark Meadows needs to be held accountable for his role as enabler. Thank you Cassidy! Your courage and patriotism is an inspiration! ❤

[@6thdimension809]

May she live long and prosper, sharing her experience and being a true American.

[@highestgood5169]

Thank you Ken for asking these questions. Cassidy is young, authentic, strong, and humble. I am definitely going to read her book, now that I know about it. Would so love her to speak at my upcoming college graduation. Cassidy...thank you for honoring the oath that you took to the constitution.

[@T-aka-T]

Great idea. See if you can organise it! Publisher will pass on a message.

[@pdfarrell]

When looking for heroes from the Republican party, beggars can't be choosers. But let's not go overboard on how principled she is. Trump, when asked in a 2016 debate with Hilary Clinton if he would accept the results of the election, he said "we'll see". No principled person could have voted for Trump after that. Anyway, I'm grateful that she's seen the light.

[@JackMcGurnRecords310-]

I totally agree with you 100 percent! Even with him being on film saying that he grabs them by the P word and the rest of that nonsense he was saying.

[@kareyrose]

I don’t think she considers herself a hero and didn’t seek fame but it did take courage for her to do what she did, and if she hadn’t, we probably wouldn’t know half of the story of January 6 that we now know. but for her stepping forward and testifying. Her testimony was riveting and enlightening. Thank you for your courage Cassidy Hutinson. I called Judge Luttig the modern day, Paul Revere, I call Cassidy Hutchinson, one of the riders with Paul Revere. I hope more people will join our struggle to overcome disinformation in a humble and nonjudgmental way like Cassidy H. Go USA we really are on the same team. The liars are coming, the liars are coming, we must uphold truth! Speak truth and spread it so we keep our democracy.

[@lauraindira8421]

I FULLY agree!! What kind of person could be ok with the way he insulted everyone, with the kids in cages, the lying every day, the utter stupidity and ridiculousness? I can’t imagine anyone intelligent being ok with that.

[@carolgiangreco6548]

Inspiring young woman. Thank you for your service

[@susangreene6449]

True eloquence and patriotism. Thank you Ken and Cassidy for fighting for our Democracy in real time.

[@cheriewolfsen2491]

What a Wonderful & Inspiring Conversation! Ms. Hutchison is such a Hero to me! I am watching this Jan. 6, 2024. So it is particularly poignant. Thank You Both!

[@soniafoss9822]

I’m hoping Ken Burns does a documentary about the assault on our capital and how to protect our democracy.

[@nannettehuffman8397]

Have u seen the PBS FRONTLINE show on this whole ordeal? Highly recommend.

[@danmeadows3859]

It’s not a democracy. Do Democrats not pay attention in civics class. And sure the capital was assaulted. Sick of the dems pulling illegal crap. Next time they will just divide the country. Liberals will get New York, Minnesota,Illinois, and West coast. Then you can do what the hell you want to. And LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE 😂

[@sofiecarr249]

Thank you Ken for bringing Cassidy on this extremely important task , saving our democracy from ignoramuses and greedy people. Vote💙🙏

[@bigfins59caddydaddy82]

Great interview Ken! America thanks you Cassidy!

[@vf5126]

Time well spent, and easily the best interview I’ve watched with Cassidy. I’ve daughters her age, and proud of both ..I am equally pleased to be learning from them, too. Much of our nation needs to do the same..

[@dsiepiela6449]

We used to vote for the policies we wanted. Now we vote for our survival

[@willbrooks8853]

I purchased her book to show her support for her truth she has shared with us all.

[@stutzbearcat5624]

Im glad she was able to break free of the Stockholm Syndrome which must afflict any woman who would be part of The Trump Cult and the Republicant party.

[@SisterWomen]

Did you try to compliment her by insulting her? That's some Democrat mischief.

[@stutzbearcat5624]

@@SisterWomen I'm no Democrat - I just see truth and speak it.

[@cre8tvedge]

@@SisterWomen No need to project a closed mind on Democrats. There is no such thing as 'Democrat' mischief. All the mischief here belongs to Trump and the high level sycophants supporting as Cassidy admits she did. She went to work for the Republicans as part of it sounds like family tradition but with the honor and values of a John McCain and let herself be seduced by fealty to the leader. She presents the clarity that her values and the values of the constitution of equality and safety within the law and respect for 'the least of us' as one could learn from following Christ are neither Democratic or Republican but of the American people. Stockholm Syndrome is exactly what happens to cult followers and DJT is nothing but a cult leader, a psychopath hell bent on controlling everything and endowed with tremendous hatred witnessed in his constant cruel rantings in public. Those traits have zip to do with what political party one chooses. Still as Cassidy so eloquently explains he is the demagogue the founders warned would try to destroy us. Please rethink your simplistic disdain for Democrats.

[@virginiamoss7045]

@@stutzbearcat5624 Same here.

[@markputnam4491]

Great interview. I think she is an amazing woman both for strength and allowing everyone to see her as a vulnerable individual.

[@dosesandmimoses]

Mr Burns- your documentaries are masterpieces- thank you so much for your (and your crew) work.

[@chuckkottke]

Thank you Ken Burns for the great conversation with Cassidy Hutchinson; she may be one who rekindles the lamp of liberty. 🗽🇺🇸🕊️

[@imacmill]

She and MAGA smashed the lamp of liberty to pieces in 2016, and there's no putting it back together now. Don't thank her for that.

[@debbienutt5339]

Thank you! We are blessed to have people like Cassidy to be strong.

[@matthewwillis4892]

THANK YOU MR. BURNS !, PLEASE DO MORE OF THESE INTERVIEWS TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH. IT'S CRUCIAL!

[@robthomas4886]

Thank you for this video. I bought Enough and read it during a multi-day power outage here in Maine. Thank you Ms Hutchinson for your courage, honesty, and patriotism. We must fight the good fight to preserve and strengthen democracy and make sure Trump never gets elected (to anything) again!

[@luannianke8110]

He should not even be allowed to run. It should be illegal.

[@LitHouseTieDye]

Thanks for this. I struggle to stay informed because I have anxiety and PTSD and DT triggers everything in me. Since 2016 I never engage with media. I have been so confused about how it all happened and how so many people could be taken in by this clearly sheisty man. I knew when I saw Ken Burns I could trust the information being shared without sensationalism. I subscribed and am grateful for this channel. Thanks Ken Burns. You make us proud in NH.

[@carolynnkay2165]

Amen!!Amen!! Still in therapy due to that period!!😂

[@wreitz455]

Very powerful. Thank you Cassidy and Thank you Ken.

[@mercenaria_merceneria]

Cassidy is a hero. And I don't use that word often or lightly. I pray she gets an opportunity to serve again. We need her more then ever.

[@9000ck]

The next trump administration is only going to hire true believers in fascism. someone like Hutchinson is unlikely to slip through to be an observer of their machinations.

[@teresasellsatl]

How is anyone who EVER stood with Trump a hero? Just for not being a treasonous liar?

[@kitano0]

I love how Cassidy expresses herself. Her voice modulation is so pleasing to listen to. More of us should strive to communicate so clearly and calmly.

[@celinefederici6951]

Just a wonderful interview...great question some of which we have not heard before. When I saw the interview was 45 minutes I thought to myself that I would not want to listen to its entirely. What happened was that I found myself going back and relistening to parts! She is just such a humble courageous & dignified young person. Love to see her on the cover of TIME magazine.

[@Cracker78]

Thank you Cassidy, for your courage and honesty in speaking the truth about what happened before and on January 6th.

[@Cookster4959]

I feel so very proud of these strong women, Cassidy, E Jean and ILiz who have sacrificed so much to come forward and hold Donald Trump accountable.

[@veraorthlieb]

Thank you, Ken and MANY THANKS to Cassidy Hutchinson and her lawyers who stepped up when we really, really needed them to do so.

[@marvymarier8988]

Thank God there are people like you in this world . Thank you for your service . Much respect for being a decent human being .

[@billschmitzer9159]

Thank you both for such an insightful interview. I’m very concerned for our country, you’ve given me some hope, thank you.

[@beeheart6529]

I’ve read her book and it should be read by all Americans.

[@celebratingtheclassicswithearl]

I admire the way she has carried herself throughout this horrible insurrection. 100 % Class. A rarity in these times.

[@daren7889]

I recently finished reading an excellent book! Learning from the Germans - RACE and the Memory of EVIL by Susan Neiman. Susan grew up in the 1960's in the segregrated South. She is a Jewish woman. She is also a Philosophy Professor and the Director of the Einstein Institute in Berlin Germany. She raised her 3 children in Berlin and she still lives there! She makes the important point that Germany had to accept their defeat in 1945 and EVOLVE! Unlike the South and 45 who refused to accept their defeats April 9,1865 & November 2020. The South and 45 have DEVOLVED and REGRESSED! I highly recommend reading Susan Neiman's book! 🤔🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲💙🌊💙🌊💙💙🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊

[@danielfoster3798]

Thank you, Cassidy you’re speaking the truth is like a healing for America.

[@MR-in4yi]

THANK YOU KEN BURNS!!!

[@celiagraham5920]

Wonderful conversation and we sure thank Ms Hutchinson for her honesty and courage to share the truth and uphold the Constitution.

[@TheReasonableSkeptic-ii4te]

I think Cassidy Hutchinson's humility is her strength. Amazing. 👏👏👏

[@bobtreiber8556]

Excellent interview. Thanks Cassidy & Ken for your commitment to our country. I agree that the greatness of our country is the ability to compromise for the betterment of our country.

[@LawrenceKaneshiro]

I absolutely love and respect this young lady. She has shown more courage than any elected official in Washington. Whatever Cassidy decides she wants to do with her future, it is only hers to make. I wish her well and look forward to seeing her next accomplishments. 🖖🏽

[@CrossroadWater]

Very much enjoyed the video. Cassidy Hutchinson is a hero and should never have to pay for a drink as long as she lives. Thank you both : )

[@EOwellnesswithFran]

Wow....Thank you Cassidy...keep moving forward. Don't give up speaking truth.

[@utopianna]

Cassidy Hutchinson covers in her book what she has related to Ken Burns in this discussion but in so much more depth in the book. "Enough" is such important background reading for what we will have to face going forward. It answers so many questions about people in Trump's orbit and lends an understanding needed to make sense of the "why".

[@donaldjaccheo5506]

A very honest and intelligent woman we need many more like her in our government

[@TisDana]

The is the best interview I’ve seen with Cassidy Hutchinson. Maybe it’s because she’s had months of experience on the circuit or maybe she’s gotten some good coaching, but there’s no denying that Ken Burns is the best interviewer. She should feel honored.

[@71suns]

She's more comfortable with speaking the truth before a wide audience. Something I doubt she ever imagined she'd be doing at this juncture in her life. It's no small thing to do what she's done...she didn't have to but she did. How many of us could say the same?

[@TheDroppedAnchor]

"Poised"

[@judylawson2265]

He is a great interviewer. Let’s her say her thing.

[@BarbaraC02]

Goodness, I continue to gain respect and appreciation for Cassidy. Thanks for a great interview.✨💙✨

[@parkermills3328]

A wonderful conversation.... Two people speaking in complete sentences, without any "Uhh"s or "you know"s . These are rare folks today !

[@vinista256]

This was so enjoyable. I can sense Burns’s delight at talking to someone who is exactly the kind of everyman/everywoman figure whose voice he tries to elevate when making historical documentaries.

[@lj9524]

I have immense respect for tye courage Cassidy Hutchison demonstrated in testifying about her experience in the Trump administration. Her book is excellent. I really enjoyed the audio book which she narrated. God bless Ms. Hutchison🙏❤️

[@user-xb9di7jn6z]

Thanks for this….she was where she needed to be in the moment and she stood up to her purpose…..way to go….she is heroic

[@andrewb.2183]

Cassidy talks about her moral compass changing over time, and she became more revealing to the Jan.6 committee, I hope that continues and it changes her view of the democratic party, the Democratic party is more in line with her moral beliefs, the Democrats are far from perfect, but I can't name anything the Republicans have done for the middle class, it's always been trickle down economics and tax cut's for the top 1%, I'm willing to pay for both Republicans and democrats campaigns with tax dollars and pay them much higher salaries, but NO private contributions if they take private money they loose there seat and or Jail, they work for us, not the highest contributors to there campaigns

[@truthandjustice22]

All money out of politics NOW 🤑

[@mirrage42]

As much as I admire Ms Hutchinson’s bravery I still find it baffling that she and her working class family could ever see a mega wealthy conman as representing them. Such a disconnect.

[@donttrudd2310]

Her family is just one of thousands who believe a professional con man.

[@quill444]

And her _final solution_ is that _we_ need to _listen to_ these people! Did we need to learn to listen to the Nazi Party or the Empire of Japan in 1940?? Otherwise, very well spoken. But former MAGA people really require a more thorough introspection before telling _US_ that _WE_ need to listen! - j q t -

[@billgunlocke6376]

Good conversation. It exceeded my expectations.

[@lewismusser7184]

I was fortunate to see the screening of an early Ken Burns documentary at Lincoln Center in New York. The film was about Huey Long, another dubious populist leader who was on the rise in Louisiana and nationally in the Franklin Roosevelt era. Mr. Burns was there at the theater along with the late Robert Penn Warren that day. Seeing this interview with the great Cassidy Hutchinson is every bit as impactful and important as I perceived that day to be.

[@adelaferreira4575]

I cannot agree with you Cassidy more,we are in the crossroads of America’s future as a democracy or a dictatorship and we need your young voice more the ever during this year.Thanks Ken Burns for inviting this brilliant ,courageous young lady we need to see her and listen to her more often,great interview,always been a fun of your great work on PBS ,Happy New Year to both of you !

[@danburnes722]

Great interview Ken!

[@TEPO--]

Miss Hutchinson, your intelligence, courage, and grace are so very appreciated. Thank you.

[@gwaning3]

This interview is simply amazing! Without a doubt the person who has explained American History above, and beyond no other, interviewing a person who helped change history right before our eyes! Granted, were in the current stage of happenings, but the respect given by "Ken Burns" no less to Cassidy Hutchinson, and her acknowledgement of Liz, and Adam, and Jamie, and Nancy is truely what I was brought up to believe! Great interview! Thank God we have rationally thinking people who care for our country, and its people!!!

[@reality410]

Thank you!! I’m so proud of you 👍 ❤

[@JillMcKibben]

Cassidy… your book is awesome and so are you. I respect and admire you so much.

[@rosemarycrane5137]

Wow...she just blew me away! So honest, forthcoming and so truthful. How hard it must have been for her to stand on her own.

[@faithwong9232]

Thank you, thank you, Cassidy Hutchinson, for your fine character and for speaking the truth!

[@grandeprairietourism3931]

As an outside observer, I would say there are a number of guardians of the Republic, from both parties, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Joe Biden, and others… it is vital for the world that America is the beacon for democracies and countries aspiring to be democratic… yes, one of America’s strengths and a weakness is embracing the problems that it faces that are common everywhere… yes, this means work! Democracy is work!

[@wash3141]

Cassidy is definitely one of our "better angels". Thank you for your courage, commitment and intelligence.

[@5296kim]

You are a jewel Cassidy. Stay strong!

[@migalito1955]

I will be eternally grateful to Cassidy having her "ought oh", moments that led to her January 6th testimony. So many in the same situation would have succumbed to peer pressure & the notion of personal advancement coupled to, it's no skin off my knees, so why not turn a blind eye to the situation, and a dumb mouth in front of the nation. Ken is correct, we citizens are not a gang of illterate idiots that need to be strong armed or led by a pied piper like figure whose aim is only self satisfaction. Ken is a historian, filmmaker, author, I am a theorectical mathematician by education, my father was a metalurgical engineer, my grandfather was a millwright, my uncles were either an accoutant or an electrical engineer, my niece holds two masters with one in Criminal Justice, my friend was a 9/11 fireman in NYC, my older sister's daughters are public school teachers, my nephew is a small business owner and these people are similar to only a few grains of sand on the beach for there are millions more having similar roles in our society. Each one of the mentioned and all those not mentioned make this country what it is. The politician without us is like an empty vessel that has little value & we must really take a stand this november to make sure that we do not go the way Russia ultimately traveled after the fall of the Soviet Union. Nothing, like Ken suggested has ever been as dangerous to this nation as what exists today.

[@gaylerichards7409]

Amazing content! I would love to see and hear another interview with you two again. Thank you both’

[@doniphanblair5217]

Cassidy, thanks for you powerful and articulate turning toward the light process-it’s a story for us all-and of course thanks Ken for your great work. (I can only watch one of your films every few years because they change my life so-the last one was “Country Music”.)

[@christinesmith1499]

Wherever Steve Bannon goes, evil grows.

[@peacheswilliams4539]

And don't fool yourself, Steve Bannon is spreading his nazi B.S. here and over the pond in Europe....

[@71suns]

He's quoted as saying his politics can be likened to Leninist. He's a proponent of 'burning it all to the ground'. He continues to incite the undermining of our nation and its people.

[@beeheart6529]

I’m so impressed by Cassidy. She gives me hope.

[@caroletomlinson5480]

“The former party of Lincoln” Ken, you could demonstrate how the GOP morphed since Lincoln; so many presentday voters are unaware of that. Important message for 2024. Thank you for sharing this discussion with Cassidy Hutchinson, a hero.

[@RobertMcSherry]

Interestingly it was the Democrats who ushered in civil rights for minorities in the 60s with Lyndon Johnson, many Republicans opposed that legislation.

[@tomjohnson5148]

Hi Ken what an inspiration to hear Ms.Hutchinson who is so young and sharing her experiences and the transition it brought within her. I wish her the best and hope to see her become a force to unite and educate those who have come under the spell of disinformation.

[@susansmiles2630]

Excwllwnt interview. Thank you!

[@JG-vq6rd]

Ken Burns is a national treasure. He brings to light so many valuable, but difficult, truths to our national attention. He doesn't shy away from them simply because someone's feelings might be hurt. And yet he tells us about our history with such empathy, sensitivity and compassion that you can come away with a greater understanding of those individuals and groups who might be considered as on the wrong side of history. Cassidy Hutchinson, in my opinion, is a flawed hero. Yes, she had a great deal of courage to step away from the sycophants and testify truthfully and no doubt she pays a daily price from maga's for choosing the constitution over trump. However, just like any other trump voter, I question how she could have voted for him in the first place. All the warning signs were there in 2015 and they weren't subtle they were in your face. Hillary was eerily correct in her prediction of how Donald would wind up behaving. And yet his voters rationalized it all away and they are prepared to do it again even though his messaging is even worse this time around than in 2015. I can only hope there is a silent majority out there that includes a lot of reformed voters like Cassidy but the polls are not filling me with hope.

[@71suns]

Have you ever been polled? I haven't and I've lived over 7 decades. Trump was rejected for a second term in office by the majority of the American people in 2020...why would anyone think that number has changed over the past three + years..if not increased exponentially. So few of us ask how these supposed polls are conducted. What methodology is being used? Online? Cell phone? Landline? What part of the country? How many people were polled out of the 330 million population in the US? What questions were asked? Were the respondents primarily Republicans? Democrats? Independent voters (the largest number of voters in the US at this juncture).

[@cmecre8629]

i'm so grateful for/to both of You Mr. Burns, whatever helps defeat MAGA will be visual. it could be simple as an awesome compilation that can fit various time slots. there's plenty of proof that 45 was an awful president/is an awful human if anyone can put it together the best, it's you Mr. Burns. thank You

[@carolcisko6768]

I read your book Cassidy …and found you an amazing young woman who have made her family proud and history will prove that what you did and said has changed history for the better …thank you

[@user-qh5rm4hi4k]

Sending love, gratitude and support to CH

[@maryemiller874]

The entire world owes Ms Hutchinson a great deal and I thank her for her extraordinary courage. HOWEVER, I stopped viewing 19 minutes into the video when I realized that along with at least 81 million plus other Americans, by her description, she might not consider us to be even a part of the "spine" of America as she believes her hardworking parents and others like them to be. Hardworking, for me, is a subjective term. For instance is it: a 60 year old coal miner who began working at 13 and once able never missed casting their vote in every election, or is it someone who studied hard, taking out and then repaying the mother lode of student loans needed so that they could spend 30 or 40 years as a teacher, or an engineer, or a medical doctor, etc yet never once exercised their right to vote. That said, one citizen to another, I again thank Ms Hutchinson and sincerely wish her well.

[@BearMeat4Dinner]

I totally love this interview. ❤

[@JeffBostick222]

I applaud Ms. Hutchinson for her bravery and principled stand!

[@HeartDrivenTarotwithLaura]

I appreciate what she did at the January 6 hearings. It still baffles me, however, how such an intelligent young woman could ever have fallen under Donald Trump's spell until January 6. Just because he ran as a Republican? Seriously. The minute I saw Trump during the 2016 debates (I had heard about him but was not too familiar with him), ALL my alarm bells went off. His arrogance, self-aggrandizement, narcissistic personality, ignorance, and just downright meanness were flashing and I thought we just can't have this person as president! Unfortunately, he was elected then. And ever since, we have suffered the ill effects of his time in office.