Authoritative vs. Authoritarian Parenting Styles

[@star3catcherSEQUEL]

One thing I always liked about Eric is how he's a mix of his parents. He has Red's cutting attitude and sharp tongue but it's tempered by Kitty's sweetness.

[@valentinafangirling]

Serina Sanchez that’s why he has always been my favourite character from the show (and when he left the show died)

[@Harris665]

Serina Sanchez that’s such a cool observation

[@atribecalledlen3567]

Serina Sanchez he has red's cutting attitude??

[@SHAX516]

@Len Walker Well.yeah. when he gets into an arguement or how he evolves from taking Reds burns into talking back as he progresively gets tired of Reds tyranny

[@dethloki]

LOL....you mean you like the writing/ers.....Character development is a wonderful thing.

[@Quetzalcoatl-Dragon_97]

I think that they balance each other out and that if they met in the middle, they would be perfect parents.

[@mysteryguy793]

yes but the damn ego they have to win at all costs

[@andy56duky]

@@mysteryguy793 with his foot up with someone's ass.

[@clindsell6111]

tbh i think having them both different like that would be beneficial. red keeps kitty from being too soft and kitty keeps red from being too hard.

[@inthecloudz1272]

@@clindsell6111 kitty doesn't make red harder?

[@darkmask5933]

It's funny because both Red and Kitty are right in their own way, Red is right that the world isn't going to coddle Eric later if he coddles him now, but Kitty is right is when you over-discipline your kids, you just make kids who get really good at sneaking around you.

[@Gamerafighter76]

Eeyup.

[@j.ronnygibson]

Yes. There needs to be a balance

[@jonathanwilkinson4299]

It's kind of like that epsiode of American Dad where they make a clone of Steve and one gets raised by overly nurturing Francine and the other gets raised by overly strict Stan. One turned into a fat annoying loser and the other one turned into a serial killer. Balance is the key.

[@j.ronnygibson]

@@jonathanwilkinson4299 perfect example

[@Netherwolf6100]

Thats why kids need both parents. Children need balance and people need opposing forces to balance them out.

[@Valpo2004]

To be fair Red was always more bark than bite when it came to parenting. This episode is one of the few times Red actually attempts to impose a punishment on Eric. Most of the rest of the time it was just stern "foot in the ass" comments without any real punishment.

[@clindsell6111]

did you forget when red sent eric to africa?

[@EpicFableBean]

@@clindsell6111 uhh he did not do that

[@kylecyrus9457]

Um, Eric did that to himself. And not in a, he did the actions that got him banished to Africa, way. He literally wanted to go to Africa.

[@clindsell6111]

Yea he did Eric fucked up so red said "Eric that's it I'm so mad I'm... I'm.. sending you to Africa" then in the end Eric decides he wants to go

[@jcmee91]

I removed the Vista Cruiser being taken, Eric having to pay Red when he did stupid shit and having to do really shitty chores (not the normal ones). Those sound like punishments.

[@PTSmash]

I would say that Eric could totally be Spider-Man after climbing out of the house, but he was already cast as Venom.

[@Madbandit77]

If That 70s Show didn't last long, I could imagine Topher playing Spider-Man.

[@liamfitzgerald7217]

@@Madbandit77 He does have the same haircut as the Peter Parker design in the 90's Spider-Man cartoon funny enough.

[@trickyvic6501]

Weird I never thought about it but he wouldve made a really comic accurate spiderman.

[@exas4791]

Why didn't Kurtwood Larson Smith and Debra Jo Rupp get any awards for That 70s Show ? Their characters are quite often the most hilarious things in the show.

[@johnnymcblaze]

Because "the awards" are just an elite few rewarding themselves so they can maintain their superiority complexes.

[@sub-zero710]

Ironically Gene Simmons actually did have extremely strict parents. And Marilyn Manson had even stricter parents.

[@maluse227]

I mean, Manson also had a dad who was exposed to large amounts of agent orange, and an uncle who liked looking at animal porn, so dude had a lot going on from the start.

[@jackiesburgersandfries4604]

@@maluse227 what

[@wheeliesmalls9464]

@maluse227 agent orange bad? Bruh

[@maluse227]

@@wheeliesmalls9464 Just to clear it up I do mean the dangerous chemical they used in Vietnam to kill the forests, which has been linked to health problems with ones children.

[@TheArcher101]

So did Michael Jackson - look what happened there

[@Bubbles99718]

In 4th grade there were 2 brothers my age who were completely whacked. Neighbors. Our family had dinner over there one night. Only time ever. The Dad would make them stand at attention, make them call him Sir and just embarrass them in front of people in an effort to "discipline" them. It was a very quiet dinner. After I remember asking about it and my parents simply said, "never go over there and if he ever touches you, tell us."

[@calebtimes453]

Maybe you could be a little less strict and more loving. *The look he gave her.*

[@colenapier1741]

Sergio Milho Okay Kitty.....enough with the sarcasm.

[@tylertilwick6852]

4:15 “OH HELLS-BELLS!!!” I luv that part😂🤣

[@antoinelove1492]

I can't lie red was the funniest to me, but KITTY TAKE THE CAKE SHE WAS HILARIOUS 😂

[@cs292]

One of the best shows ever made.

[@ytw101]

Red and kitty are the best sitcom parents ever. Grew up with them and will die On this

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

As a child of authoritarian parents, can confirm that it just makes you sneaky. “I caught you doing x y and z!” Yes mom and dad, but you also missed the other abcdefhijklmopqrstuvw that I did, and you’ll never know Plus the rush you get from getting away with it is just *divine*

[@AllusernamesgoneFUCK]

That first comeback by Red was fucking legendary!

[@epicpokey02]

Sarcasm... Well who the hell knows what the hell you mean when you won’t say what you mean?

[@erikaswanson2170]

Voice inflection

[@SupermarketSweep777]

4:09 Even Lori is helping out.

[@joewhitehead3]

SupermarketSweep777 & to think, she's hardly ever helpful

[@SupermarketSweep777]

Exactly.

[@jenlindley7780]

It's Laurie

[@rebajoe]

Yeah cos now it's not just Eric Red's cracking down on. It's either work together or suffer together.

[@boscat666]

60 years old and loving this . brings me back to times with no smartphones or computers . i like computers and all now but damn i mis those times .

[@julieporter7805]

This for some reason is one of my favorite episodes. "I love the Brady Bunch. Remember when Mike went nuts and put Christmas lights on all the doors?" "Hey, remember when Greg was a smartass and Mike took him outside and cleaned his clock?"

[@wizkidgamer9942]

Which episode is it anyway?

[@julieporter7805]

@@wizkidgamer9942 Red Sees Red

[@merynevans9426]

I love how everyone is helping out to get the car out of the driveway, even Laurie😂

[@ramakrishna5480]

I think parents should find a middle ground between both these extreme parenting

[@Casey_The_Editor]

Finding the middle ground is essential for every aspect of life. It's all about balance.

[@Firemarioflower]

How is Kitty extreme?

[@metalmurcielago]

I’m kicking your ass because I love you. Not literally 😊

[@CountryMetal01]

that's why he went to Africa

[@chad3292]

Red is always hard on Eric and Kitty is always sympathetic for her baby boy. The roles are reversed when it comes to Laurie where Kitty is always the disciplinarian and Red is sympathetic to his little girl. This dynamic is played out in That 90’s Show with their granddaughter where Red is always sweet and protective of Leia. If Leia acts up like Laurie Kitty will most likely be the disciplinarian. Eric and Donna are more hands on and caring with their daughter than their parents. But Eric is more likely to threaten to put a foot in her ass if she steps out of line. It is an interesting character dynamic.

[@rustyshackleford9017]

Red and Kitty were a superbly written tv couple and parents

[@joseolivarra7791]

Oh my god that ho chi manh burn was great XD

[@RNRAGST]

can you explain it for me?

[@commanderbacara225]

Rúnar Ágúst Sveinsson Red fought in the Vietnam war. Ho Chi Minh is the communist leader that commanded the North Vietnamese Army during the war, causing the US army to suffer heavy losses and eventually pull out of Vietnam entirely. Ironically, Red's parenting style is akin to the North Vietnamese Government he fought against.

[@ligmaballs0911]

@@commanderbacara225 Red did not fight in the Vietnam war.

[@VaniJindal]

Yeah but I think he fought in the Korean War and not the Vietnam War

[@justrager5831]

@@VaniJindal Yes I'm pretty sure he fought in both WW2 and the Korean War, which wasn't uncommon so I always drew that conclusion.

[@theharmonyofknowledge1286]

Okay,I'm gonna be blunt here and tell the people here that believe life isn't simply handed to you,yes,you are right. But just remember,if you choose to be harsh with your kids every time they screw up (and believe me,they already KNOW they screwed up),not only will you teach them that life isn't a cakewalk,they also learn that you,their own parent,will NOT show mercy under any condition.

[@mysteryguy793]

and that is how you raise people pleasers

[@only-legitness]

@@mysteryguy793 yup this is terrible parenting. Trust me. Im shy now and I had no childhood

[@roamer1389]

Same here. Im 31 years old and my dad is still controlling to this day, and I have been a people pleaser ever since teenage years to avoid arguments . However, it's o lying made me more miserable, less appreciative of life and more suicidal. I also ran away from them and had to block my parents just so I could get some peace of mind. Not the best move, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

[@bryaneberly3588]

and watch you quickly become the parent who never gets called for help or anything. why would a kid want to come to a parent with any given problem if theyre just gonna get traumatised for it?

[@counterinfluencer5684]

The big trick here is people who believe life isn't simply handed to them live in fear and go on to exploit and crush others, thereby creating the conditions they were afraid of. But the reality is that human beings have always trended towards cooperation and while you have to work at that, it's nowhere as dire as the former scenario. Being compassionate and resilient makes life better for everyone.

[@pokemonmaster2151]

This is why strict parenting sometimes doesn't work...it encourages sneaky kids or them to do stuff behind people's backs. I should know my mom did this to me and I can't even count the number of things that I did behind her back

[@Yomi2012]

Strict parenting also causes anxiety and severe depression

[@vapingfury4460]

It all comes down to a lack of communication and a misunderstanding of how it would feel to be put in the kids position

[@MalcontentFlower]

My Mom found out recently that my brother had a gun pulled on him in high-school. Strictness has a place, but it is easy to overdo.

[@vapingfury4460]

@@MalcontentFlower how does someone having a gun pulled on them mean there's strict parents involved?

[@MalcontentFlower]

@@vapingfury4460 Should have clarified more. He would have been doing his thing anyway, we really needed the money, she just didn't find out until a decade later.

[@pumpkingamebox]

Disciplining kids is like shaking a champagne bottle. If you shake it to much it’ll explode in your face.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

You could always aim the bottle away from you...

[@pumpkingamebox]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Don't be a smartass, you understand the metaphor.

[@Rosawuzhere]

"Who the hell knows what you mean when you won't SAY WHAT YOU MEAN!?" *I wish my teachers would've heard this when I was in school*

[@firebladetenn6633]

I love Eric, and I love Red. And I love Kitty... This was an amazing show.

[@thisguyhere6641]

So I guess you can say that Red and Kitty had two different agendas, when it comes to parenting! Red is more of a strict authoritarian type, and Kitty is more of a loving authoritative type! It seems only time will tell, before Dr. Phil weighs in on this!

[@mysteryguy793]

authoritarian is toxic.

[@broadstreet21]

From what I saw, Red looks like a buffoon. Not the kind of authority figure you can take seriously. But someone like Mr. Perry in Dead Poets' Society would make Red look like a male Kitty.

[@matthew8153]

@@mysteryguy793 Given his son was doing drugs I’d say Red was going easy on him.

[@christianramirez9303]

@@matthew8153 Last time I checked it was normal to smoke like a chimney back then. Weed or Tobacco and nicotine, choose your poison, but last time I checked nicotine and tobacco is far more harmful.

[@matthew8153]

@@christianramirez9303 I fail to see your point. All of them are bad for you so you shouldn’t tolerate your kid doing any of them.

[@roamer45]

I think this should be titled Permissive vs. Authoritarian Parenting Styles.

[@DDarkestKnight]

No that describes how Red parents Laurie compared to Eric

[@jordanaconito8249]

@@DDarkestKnight and look what happend to her, she died 🤣

[@DDarkestKnight]

@@jordanaconito8249 Laurie never died. Her original actress died in rehab

[@hittingtax2670]

The older I get, the more I identify with Red.

[@LLL124Original]

hittingtax26 He was my favorite character. XD

[@yuyu8267]

hittingtax26 yeah you know you're growing up when you realize he's a very good Father.

[@Sursion]

That's why I love this show. Every time I watch it, it relates to me even more than it used to. This is possibly the most relatable show ever.

[@sanhcman666]

I get it. Many people told me i was a young granpa as a child. I guess grumpy people know dissapointment, failures and so on, either by seeing it or living it. But they care enough some other people to teach.

[@yungyusuke13]

My friends and sisters tell me right now that I’m like Hyde, but when I’m older and IF I ever have kids I’m going to be like Red. I can see it.

[@jgamer2228]

I wish they had made an actual point that kids need discipline to grow into well-rounded adults. If you just do everything you want all the time with no consequences your life will be wild. You need impulse control, and someone has to teach it to you

[@robertscott9472]

A fuckin men

[@BambiTrout]

Discipline is good, but you still need a certain degree of freedom to both have fun, and make your own mistakes and learn from them. Too much discipline and you either end up with a child without any impulses to control - directionless, anxious, always just following orders, or a child who loses it the moment they leave home due to the sudden absence of discipline and the rush of now being able to do ANYTHING - they didn't learn impulse control, they learned that mum and dad wouldn't let them experience anything and now they had to make up for lost time.

[@jgamer2228]

@@BambiTrout you don’t have to blindly obey. Hell, I didn’t growing up. But I still recognized that my parents had the final say and that even if I didn’t agree or understand it was for a reason. I don’t watch the show so I’m not familiar with it, but was there ever a point Eric stopped to think that he shouldn’t do whatever he wanted, just because? A sitcom can deliver social commentary in a non-intrusive way if the writers are good enough

[@ayeholmes7699]

You can’t teach impulse control lol

[@TheArcher101]

1:35 - still hilarious to this day 🤣

[@Akimbo411]

Being a jailer doesn’t earn you respect. It earns you obedience and then a knife in the back because you can’t be watching them all the time. If Red wanted Eric’s respect, he would provide for him a path to earn what he wants that would teach him discipline along the way.

[@MisaelMatute76]

Except that Red does gain the respect of Red. In fact out of all the group, ironically Eric had the most loving dad. Kelso and Bob ignored their kids. Jacky's dad is in jail. And we all know how Hyde's dad is. Say what you want about Red, but he is always there for Erik and trying to help him be a better person. He may come off as too strict, but its only because he knows Eriks potential.

[@USAads2023]

To Disloyal people, you can give them world and they will still be disloyal. What you need to do is to take away their moral and have always presented that it can get worse, if not comply at ordered. Between being loved and fear, it is safer to be fear, as humans mistreated what they love, faster, than what they fear. You do you

[@vapingfury4460]

@@USAads2023 We're not talking about disloyal people, we're talking about a dad raising his kid

[@USAads2023]

@@vapingfury4460 if you raised you kids and they become disloyal, you are disloyal. Children mimic their elders actions, no their speech

[@clindsell6111]

to his credit red does try to teach him stuff and does spend time with him. sometimes they just talk and red gives advice. he even admits when he is wrong sometimes. the main issue is that they dont understand each other. red doesnt know how to teach eric how to pursue things in life because he doesnt understand what eric wants or why or how to achieve it because neither does eric. its clear theres love there though.

[@naiv4702]

1:48 “oh no honey “ LMFAOOO she sad he failed

[@johnpestano22]

Being less strict and more loving is what got Eric in this mess to begin with. 😂

[@kdogW-iw6oq]

This is one of my favorite episodes!

[@dobl5266]

You can really see the PTSD in Red imo, “we’re winning” n shit. Played for laughs which is fine but it adds depth

[@ianmanning4368]

1:57 "Your friends are no longer allowed in the house." "NO-NO-NO, we'll talk about it in the morning!" "Fine...we'll talk about it in the morning...WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW YOUR FRIENDS ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED IN THE HOUSE!" LOL

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

I didn’t appreciate Eric’s Smartass until he left.

[@StephanieMT]

Kitty just wanted all those people in the house to feed and care for

[@matthewp1682]

Red might be one of the best characters in tv history

[@jmac28083]

There's a balance to be struck in effective parenting. Be strict with fair & porportional discipline when they veer off the path that they should be on. Simultanously do it in a manner that later on in hindsight they'll know that you loved them. Sometimes that means being the "bad guy". Also Jesus's forgiveness was speaking of our enemies and transgressors, not our own children.

[@SentimentalFellaVA]

Bruh why can’t you do it in a way that make them know you love them in the moment. Also lol biblical forgiveness applies to everyone, including your own children - why should we withhold from our children what God Himself did not withhold from us? There can be no justice without mercy.

[@jmac28083]

@@SentimentalFellaVA because teenagers tend to not consider it loving when when you ground them for a 2 month for carving their name into their grandmother's wardrobe with a pocket knife, or forge your signature on their F report card and saying I love you son has failed to teach them anything thus far.

[@omegawaffles7348]

@@jmac28083 carving ur name into ur grandma’s wardrobe actually sounds super cute so being grounded for 2 months for that must suck and to me is dumb. maybe like a lecture but not 2 months. the report card is funny cuz i only see that in tv shows idk anyone who actually rewrites their grades or some shit. especially now cuz u can do report cards thru emails or literally have a whole school website that displays ur grades and if u rlly do get a report card it’s usually pretty tightly enveloped and delivered thru the mail so the parents get it first unless ur just that slick ig and somehow can get to that letter and have the same pen ink and same handwriting and it’s not obvious u wrote something etc

[@mikejohnson9118]

So funny...that was me. I figured out how to coast into the driveway/no lights and come in thru the basement. Never waking my parents up...or so I thought.

[@oshikuru09]

So weird. Me and co worker were literally talking about this episode yesterday lol those are my Christmas bells those are happy bells 😂

[@roc7880]

I love how Red is talking back at Eric's comments. He shows how he can be smarter than his teen kids

[@shadekiller19]

The fact he thinks he actually need to show that is why he's being a moron.

[@GIJstone21]

"Oh hell' s bell's"😂😂😂😂 god I love red

[@JonwithnoH0823]

2:54 So if you don't discipline your son he'll be a rock star making millions?

[@isswaryaarjunan9266]

I thought Kitty will cover for them lol 🤣😂😂😂

[@askthepizzaguy]

Learned to lie, learned to hide, learned to rebel. That's what living under a dictatorship taught me. You want to turn your kid into an anti-authoritarian liberal like me, you be an abusive parent. The worse you are, the less they respect you. All you teach is fear, and then that fades, and the mission becomes to defy you.

[@tormentor502]

Imagine if Red was a Marine instead of Navy vet

[@АнтонМан-ч9к]

Oh, hells bells!

[@BoyKagome]

Tell them the right way, show them the right way... if they still choose the wrong one, let them burn their hands so they know not to touch it.

[@Sailorsega]

I'm with Red on this issue. I've never understood why he backed down.

[@mrfashionguy1]

Gene Simmons

[@crashdudes911]

The older i get the more lovable red becomes

[@jonessoda4me1]

2:28 Red is hilarious 🤣

[@prenom6407]

My dad never taught me anything, he never grounded me, took care of me or disciplined me in any way, he was just there, like a roomate. When i was 11 he took 50 bucks out of my savings because he was out of change He lost my brother in a huge city when he was 6 Reckless driving almost got us killed a few times throughout childhood Every single time i brought friends home he embarrased me, i remember one of my first birthday party when i was 9, 2 girls i invited were changing upstairs and he walked on them naked, first time i invited a girl home to "study" , the first comment she made after we left the house was "was your dad high ?" He ruined my mom, if they never met she'd be happy and successful, when i learn about the things he did to her over the years i'm just angry, he made it financially impossible for her to leave him, he lost our house by doing business behind her back, he's just a parasite living off her labour. I grew up sad, i'm a mess now and the only things i know, i know them from my mom. I remember watching the show when i was young, i always thought Red was a cool dad, sure he's mean sometimes but he means well, at least he's here for his kids. Any style of parenting is better than no parenting at all.

[@metalmurcielago]

My dad bought me video games and refused corporal punishment. He always believed in trust and conversation to resolve any problems

[@BlackDiamond2718]

And you guys still think he didn’t need more discipline…? HE KILLED HARRY!

[@thekeikoprojectdocumentary]

Red is the best dad ever.

[@chucksolutions4579]

Strict IS loving, setting and enforcing boundaries for children shows them the most love. Forgiveness only works if the person being forgiven first acknowledges his wrongdoing and wants to make it right

[@jeviosoorishas181]

I think this is about 50% correct. Red is clearly an authoritarian parent, however Kitty is not authoritative, she is permissive. Authoritarian and Authoritative approaches both demand the exercise of rules, structure and authority, but how those are executed are different. The authoritarian doesn't feel the need to explain or justify his or her rules, it's either you do it or you get punished. The authoritative parent does justify their rules, and explains why they are doing what they're doing.

[@Rick-mx5kh]

This was my parents back in the 70s...

[@Ares99999]

Red is right. Firm boundaries are important, especially in teen years. My parents imposed strict limits and STUCK to them, and I really appreciate it today. But that's the most important part, and one that many parents have trouble with: it's not enough to create limits. You have to constantly maintain that limit and NOT deviate from it.

[@triforcewielder8500]

Lol this still cracks me up

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060]

Reds parenting style is based off of fear and Kitty's ignorance. Neither is ideal.

[@KD-ou2np]

Ignorance of what?

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060]

@@KD-ou2np of where her childrens behavior will likely lead them. as grumpy as red is he's 100% the more responsible parent.

[@KD-ou2np]

@Tangerines are better than Oranges all the ppl I know who were the most rebellious usually had the most authoritarian parents. Ever met any ministers sons or daughters? The ones who didn't want to break any rules had good relationships with their parents and saw eye to eye with them on why their parents didn't want them doing certain things, or because they respected and loved those parents and didn't want to disappoint. The parent that treats their kid like a prisoner with no humanity, will fostsr neither love nor respect.

[@fedoradude4780]

I think its more like Authoritarian vs. Permissive parenting styles

[@reymartampus4411]

Good thing Eric didn't end up like KISS in That 90s Show. So maybe Red's tactics worked?

[@oliviamann556]

For red I would love to see his face if he keeps his ways until Eric moves out and never wants to see them again. Then red sees him again one day to be none of what he wanted him to be and Eric becomes the very thing red fears Eric becoming. Who’s to blame then red?

[@haberdasherrykr8886]

Joke's on you Eric literally is what red never wanted him to be Only a few of his wants ever manifested in Eric such as when he stayed back after Red's heart attack to support his now ill employed family's finances

[@GanonGhidorah]

...Y'know...in some sick twisted way, I can actually see Red's point. By making your kids miserable while they're growing up, it destroys any notion of them having unrealistic expectations of what life will be like as an adult...which is basically more misery and less time to complain about it. But still, I don't think it's a _parent's place_ to do that. A parent should be one of the few bastions of trust and comfort that a kid has in the entire world to go to. It's the School and everyone that's in it that's going to make your kids miserable. The day-in-day-out monotony of doing the same repetitive tasks over and over for little-to-no reward, and the ever encroaching fear that each year will be worse than the last, until they finally hit graduation...and then the _real hard part begins._ Not to mention meeting all the social expectations being there, when most kids would just like to be left alone! Heck, if you truly want to break the unrealistic expectations, then school shouldn't have as many breaks and holidays as it does. Surely that won't drastically impact mental health. The simple fact is...everyone is going to be miserable because _life is miserable._ We're all doomed to go from one stage of life's-treadmill to the next until we drop dead from exhaustion... But if you go out of your way to be the _cause_ of your child's misery...You're either going to get two things; you're going to get a bitter adult who wants nothing to do with you and probably wrote a tell-all book about you, making money off the misery you caused and probably landing you in jail...Or you lose a child entirely.

[@TheEpic22]

Why even have kids if you are determined to make them miserable in childhood because you expect them to be miserable as adults. Sounds like something a miserable person would say, life isn’t that bad.

[@chrischin_94]

Life takes effort. Doesn't mean it's inherently good or bad. But that's for each person to decide for themselves

[@omegawaffles7348]

life fucking sucks lmfaoo

[@shanekeenaNYC]

Ok, Alan Shore. Thank you for getting on your soapbox.

[@azmodanpc]

Being a parent was the default expectation in the 70s and 80s. Fast forward to 2000s and suddenly a child is 300k until they graduate or some nonsense. Parenting style of the 60s ain’t gonna cut it.

[@Bassmanhill84]

My mother, no Joke. Was a 50/50 mix of Kitty and Red. Good and bad I guess. Lol

[@parzivaldivine8478]

Man of McMillan

[@dylanmelotti4301]

That 90s Show could never.

[@KamikazeChinaman]

Red is the perfect man.

[@broadstreet21]

Kitty isn't authoritative, she's borderline permissive. And Red isn't authoritarian, just authoritative. But put him next to Mr. Perry in Dead Poets Society, who was a real authoritarian. Red looks totally permissive next to him.

[@Riley_Mundt]

Funny enough, another Kurtwood Smith character.

[@broadstreet21]

@@Riley_Mundt Exactly. Kurtwood Smith was typecast for authority figures.

[@arynrowland862]

She isn’t permissive, just realistic. Raising teenagers is a battlefield, there is no easy strategy. If you’re too strict, they rebel, and they WILL cut you off into their adulthood. Too permissive, and they run wild. I think her and Red make a good team, you know, good cop bad cop.

[@DDarkestKnight]

No Red and Mr. Perry are both authoritarians, unless the subject is Laurie. The only reason Eric hasn't killed himself is because he lives in a co-parenting household. Unlike Mrs. Perry who doesn't make decisions when it comes to her family, Kitty can reign her husband in and is so open that every in the gang comes to her for advice. But she's not permissive, she has a line and everyone realizes when how much they've screwed up when they cross it. Whether she let's Red do the punishing, she does the punishing, tries to weaponize Red's authoritarian nature against the gang. Like Kitty's the one you don't cross

[@broadstreet21]

@@DDarkestKnight There's a big difference between Foreman and Perry. Foreman was so over the top that his force of personality loses some effect and sometimes can be played against him. Perry, on the other hand, was much more controlled, he comes out sinister.

[@isswaryaarjunan9266]

What Red said makes 100% sense .

[@thisisntallowed9560]

No

[@mahnaymjyeff7559]

@Aisswarya Arjunan No. That's not true. Read more on the effects of authoritarian parenting.

[@thisisntallowed9560]

@@mahnaymjyeff7559 Authoritative parenting has been shown to be most effective. Red's parenting is authoritarian and has been shown to NOT be an effective way of parenting. That's the lesson of the show, it's not working.

[@mahnaymjyeff7559]

@@thisisntallowed9560 I know. That's what I was trying to explain to her, and this makes me really angry because I grew up having an authoritarian parent. I know that it is like.

[@thisisntallowed9560]

@@mahnaymjyeff7559 omg sorry I thought you were answering my comment my mistake.

[@Ramza941]

Watching this now as an adult kind of pains me. When I was younger, this was all fun and laughter but looking at it now. There really is value in both of their parenting styles. Too bad Kitty's style overtook this generation, wishing we had some more Reds to kick their asses to fix the balance.

[@Bruh-vs1qv]

Olbohn THANK YOU!!!! And thank God my dad is a Red, I can’t imagine what I’d be like with Kitty.

[@rotimijohnson6536]

Saitama 64 true parents just need to teach their kids not to be spoiled and tell them that life won’t be easy. They need to know that things won’t always be handed to them

[@KenjiAsakura09]

Instructions weren't clear, got foot stuck in ass

[@JITCompilation]

Rotimi Johnson exactly!!! I love how people don't understand the clear cut irony the writers slipped in. "In order for him to be happy and adjusted later in life, he needs to be miserable now". That doesn't make any sense! Real parents teach their kids how to handle challenges, and teach them that they're not entitled to ANYTHING in this world. They show them HOW to work hard, accept criticism and learn from their mistakes. But then again, when half of the full-grown adults in this country don't want to work hard, accept criticism and learn from their mistakes, how are they supposed to teach those skills to their children? I think just a simple lack of any kind of real parenting is why this next generation is so fucked up.

[@PennyDreadful1]

Saitama 64 If my dad was like Red I think I'd grow up to be angry all the time. Or have one of those stupid right wing authoritarian personality types. Or be a mewling pathetic weirdo along the lines of Frank Kafka. You know it's good to strike a balance. Authority should always be justified. You don't want to grow up hating your dad. Also who says your mom can't be the strict one?

[@RANDOM-KNIGHT145]

0:53 Every husband ever

[@TheVVildHunt]

Red, was right the entire time. We need more Reds as fathers.

[@mysteryguy793]

neither of them

[@mahnaymjyeff7559]

Clearly you haven't read about the effects of authoritarian parenting and how it ruins peoples' lives.

[@TheArcher101]

Tough love doesn't work on everyone - for people like me, it's always been the exact opposite of what's needed in some cases

[@Ares99999]

@@TheArcher101 Tough love is better than coddling. Nobody gets ready for the world with coddling. Kids today? Many of them are so used to getting their way that they can't even handle a simple 'no'.

[@Finsternis..]

And as it turns out Red was correct in regards to taking out the authorative approach. Except it was two generations later with HipHop instead of Metal.

[@carlos_is_sea-deep]

Seems more permissive than authoritative from the mothers side

[@photonz1812]

What is the point of forgiveness if the one needing forgiveness from you doesn't think they are in the wrong or doesn't care if they are in the wrong?

[@Gamerafighter76]

I can see both Red and Kitty’s arguments here. Red has to be firm but fair and lay down the law on how the world works while Kitty knows when you have to show affection and know when to take a step back. We need more of Red’s parenting style in this day and age, though.

[@knowledgeseeker4614]

I agree, but I think there needs to be a balance. Red overdoing it didn’t work.

[@Gamerafighter76]

@@knowledgeseeker4614 yeah.

[@RANDOM-KNIGHT145]

0:53 EVERY WIFE EVER !!!!

[@dd5921]

I love red foreman!!!

[@jrident]

Red is 100% right.

[@FecalMatador]

Jay Volner Not really. The point of this was to show that strict punishment, telling your kids what not to do, only causes them to do exactly what you told them not to do

[@bachelorgoosy9145]

No, he isn't. There is a healthy middle ground.

[@thisisntallowed9560]

@@FecalMatador It's more like those parents can't manifest love towards their children. They're gaslighting them, telling them that if they're being aggressive it's because they love them.

[@thisisntallowed9560]

So the kid get a false idea of what love is and end up confused, also the kid end up being a rebel. Also they have no guidance. Because they get screamed at instead of being explained why what they're doing is wrong. And so much more!

[@righteousrawb7225]

As a matter of fact, he isn't

[@therealpatriarchy]

The reality turned out to be far worse for kids due to fathers not putting their foot down.

[@NaskaRudd]

What are you talking about specifically?

[@mr.awesome6011]

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[@TheHouseOffice]

Amen. Say it again for the people in the back

[@theguywhomakesthetrees2057]

KITTY WHY YOU GOTTA SNITCH?!

[@adrianburnette7597]

Red never said a more true thing ..... Miserable now happy later......

[@rmisionero]

The older I get, the more I become Red.

[@ExiE1]

why did red get strict here again i forgot

[@sysvjbjr]

because eric admitted he and hyde smoked pot

[@danielmoore411]

I wish Red was my dad.

[@emresarpkaya27]

Looks more like permissive and authoritarian.

[@brockreynolds870]

"I wish I had a quarter for every time I caught you making out with a neighbor girl"..... Eric should have said, "Would you rather I make out with the neighbor boys?"

[@ghosty918]

In the 70s?

[@ben-chan420]

How to get Red's foot stuck so far up your ass it comes out your mouth 101

[@donharrington8950]

The only farm was 8 miles away there wasn't anything healthy to do

[@carriebrown3355]

Play time is over

[@doscaminos204]

Red was right about the 21st century.

[@ZivTimmy1]

Dad is amazing and absolute right