PHEV: The truth about buying a plug-in hybrid EV. Is it worth the $$$? | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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[@danielangelov91]

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[@shitedriver8490]

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[@napoleonnz]

I'm pleased to read this common sense from you as I'm in the market for a new car and your logical advice is appreciated as I go through the options. I'm not sure if you mentioned the additional depreciation due to the higher initial price of a PHEV as another cost factor, probably some $2K per year. It sharpens the mind when you are actually in the market and thinking carefully about how you will use the vehicle. In my case I'm now leaning more toward an economical small hybrid SUV (non plug-in) such as a Toyota Yaris Cross or Kia Niro Hybrid. I think petrol will be with us a long time yet to service the existing fleet and IMHO will remain affordable as demand falls after this current supply blip.

[@alainlamarche3518]

I drive a Toyota Prius Prime since 2019 and I used an average of 1.5L/100km. In the city i mostly run on electric. Very satisfied.

[@davesutherland1864]

I have had a RAV4 Prime for a year and it meets all expectations. I charge it every night to the level required for next day. I get the advertised EV range (or frequently more). On long trips the highway fuel economy exceeds the rating not only that of the prime, but also the rating of the standard hybrid (dispute the heavy battery). On a trip with 10 hours of driving we fill up once. My wife and I take turns driving and have about 30 minutes of non driving time. I have no idea what the city fuel economy is as I virtually never travel in that mode. While I agree it takes a good chunk of the vehicles life (which will be 12 years if it is as reliable as my previous vehicles) to pay back the price premium, the rebates I got reduce that to a few years. Bottom line, if you charge it daily and your daily driving is typically in the EV range, or only slightly over that range, it does everything the proponents say it does. In addition, if you are comparing a PHEV to an EV, don’t forget the battery in a EV with good range can make 3 or 4 PHEVs. If used the way I use mine, the 3 or 4 PHEV will get a lot more emission reductions than a single EV. However, a similar argument to the one above can be made that the current EV production use more battery resources than required to make all cars standard hybrids, and that could have a 25% to 35% emissions reduction, far more that achieved by the current fleet of EVs or PHEV.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

The fact that you can make 3 or 4 PHEVs with the battery of one EV is a point I never considered. To me, at the end of the day, you just need to go in with your eyes open. There are pros and cons to any purchase you buy. One huge con not mentioned in this video is if you keep the car for a long period of time, like I usually do, you'll eventually have major repairs and one of those will most certainly be the battery. You need to a. find out what that repair cost will roughly be and b. make sure your combined savings from gas mileage and government rebates makes it make sense.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

Btw, I'm assuming you got rid of your Rav4. Why did you?

[@davesutherland1864]

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 The general consensus on the new EV batteries p is they will outlive the car in most cases. There will be some degradation with time, but unless you are doing a lot of fast charging, the battery will last longer than the car.

[@davesutherland1864]

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 I still have the R4P. I have had it just over a year now and have no intention to get rid of it.

[@tharais]

Completely dependent on your cost of fuel, cost of electricity, miles/kWh and MPG. WIthout factoring those, you're just guestimatting and assuming. Recently drove a Mazda PHEV. The idea of going pure EV for our mostly short trips around town but being able to occasionally long road trip without a recharge was attractive. But then, I ran the numbers. In our situation with this vehicle, we'd be better of going ICE alone. For all trips. And, we'd save about $10 grand on the purchase as well.

[@kening95]

When the fuel price doubles and you're having to wait in line for hours for gas you're not going to care about what you paid for plug-in car.

[@faceclutch5555]

I can just buy a used PHEV 2-3 years old... In say 5 years from now when they start hitting the used car market.... And save save save.

[@rkaycom]

The biggest issue with this video is you are completely ignoring the fact that with the $17k price difference (for the Outlander) you are also getting a much better car, e.g. 50kw more power & 200nm more torque, a 1500w pure sine wave inverter, upgrade suspension (which is better ride then the petrol version). If they had a petrol version with that much extra power and an inverter it would still cost you 10k more at least and you wouldn't have the 20kw battery to run the inverter off (not all the 20kw is usable, I think it's limited to 10kw but that's still ALOT). So the value proposition isn't as bad if you take that into consideration. I think its unfair to say "oh save the $17k on the petrol version and buy fuel with the money saved" because you end up with an under powered turd that isn't as useful when you are camping.

[@Roman-re1yg]

I drive a 2017 Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid. In the last 22,000 km I have used an average of 1.4 L gas /100km. I live in a cold Canadian climate and the onboard gas generator comes in very handy at -30 Celsius. Not all phev are equal but the Volt is like having a pure EV for all daily commutes and a very efficient long range vehicle with no range anxiety. Brilliant drive train.

[@aloodena5196]

I wish they still made the Volt... I think the power train was too advanced for the time, it was too expensive for them to make money on it.

[@peterryan7340]

Would you consider a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV?

[@Roman-re1yg]

@@peterryan7340 funny you say that, We actually purchased a 2022 Mitsubishi outlander just over a year ago. When we purchased it the PHEV was not available yet. I have been following some of the reviews and apparently they are very good hybrids. We love our outlander, and I'm sure we would love it even more if it was a PHEV!

[@suad01]

I always wanted one of these but they are pretty rare in Australia

[@lenimbery7038]

Best car I ever owned!...Too bad GM dropped the ball on the best PHEV to date that anyone has made

[@hervehaddad341]

You are all talking about money and cost, what if we talk about missing petrol because of war and missing electricity.now in France sone gaz station are out of petrol but we also are soon in a limited use for energy, so having 2 differents mode of energy let us more free in term of restriction , plus a ev could be charge with a portable charger charged with solar energy which make it possible at least not to be atuck anywhere

[@davidgillham6847]

if your driving is mixed, then conventional hybrids are still the best bet in the modern world. PHEVs and EVs no longer make financial sense with the sky rocketing cost of electricity here in Europe. Very soon EVs and PHEVs will be just as expensive to run, if not more than a conventional ICE hybrid. Unless of course you already have loads of solar panels installed on your home, but that's a different story...

[@AnthonyJohns-w4q]

John ya bastard. I purchased an outlander PHEV because of your review on the Outlander 2023 model. I’ve got a novated lease through work. The Australian Gov concession with no FBT or GST was too good to pass up. Plus I needed to reduce my taxable income. If you talk shit on this car I won’t be happy mate😂

[@gwats19577]

Nice video John....I'll be keeping my 10-year old Camry.....😃😃😃😃😃😃

[@SkaBob]

Yes our PHEV has been great and cut our gas usage by 3/4. My subaru got 300 miles on a tank (11-12 gallons), our Niro PHEV gets 900-1000 miles on a tank (8-9 gallons). Didn't notice how much time I was wasting at gas station filling up 2 times a week, now it more like once every 12 days.

[@sjion]

John, you are one of the only KZbinrs I can think of that thanks people for watching at the end of your videos & it comes across as very genuine & old fashioned in a good way. Respect 👍 Oh, the video was pretty good too 😉

[@dougstubbs9637]

Fighting for Peace… F*cking for Virginity…. Spending money to Save money….? The only good reason to spend 70 grand on a Mitsi is to get the opportunity to gawk down the top of the Dealership Ming Mole.

[@benharris7957]

I think the future of cars is hydrogen power not electric !

[@KayakKiwi_Peter]

A very fair and accurate review. I've just bought an Outlander PHEV for exactly the reasons you describe. The 20kw battery was the clincher. I reckon I can get about 80% savings

[@davelindhorst5897]

I have a 2019 Outlander PHEV. Love it, but it needs to make place for a 2023 Outlander PHEV I am picking up tomorrow. The last tank of fuel, on the 2019 I went 1562 kms and used 24 liters. That is about 1.5 liters per 100 kms. The new one is much nicer 🤗

[@wandererhalifax7440]

These are not facts at all. These are your own heavily skewed opinions. Every individual has a different use case, and one car that makes for your use case may not make sense for someone else at all. I don't have access to a charger where I live, but I have a charger at my work place. I can charge my PHEV twice a week without paying a penny, and my weekly commute is typically less than 50 Km, which means I can complete my weekly commute on EV mode most of the time. Thanks to the government rebates, the price difference between the gas model and the PHEV model that I purchased has already been more than amortized in less than 2 years of ownership. As of this summer, I started saving money thanks the PHEV purchase I made. Once this part of the world is fully ready for the EV charging infrastructure, I won't hesitate for a second to by a fully electric, despite the negative campaign of the oil lobby, their political alliance and their sponsored objective(!) youtubers.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Y-A-W-N. Sorry. Went to sleep. What?

[@wandererhalifax7440]

Better to fall asleep than offer misleading "expert opinions" for sure.@@AutoExpertJC

[@Quakamole-one]

Indeed, quite distorted 'objective' facts. I bought my Kuga for 29k euros. Charging it daily at work costs me 0L/100km. Out-of-city trips on regular hilly roads for about 600 km, starting with a full battery, gets me to about 5L/100km. On the highway with an empty battery, cruising at 140 km/h, I get 9L/100km. What more could you want for a 1.8-tonne car providing full comfort for both short and long trips?"

[@Mububban23]

With current FBT incentives for EV/PHEV in Australia, I got quotes for a base model Mitsubishi Outlander ES in petrol and PHEV, and the 5 year total cost of leasing difference was $200 more expensive for the petrol. Not paying $4k per year of FBT negated the purchase price difference between them. And I'd do nearly 100% of my driving as pure EV, but would have a full sized family SUV with big boot that won't need to stop to charge for the annual road trip holiday. Overnight charging with a normal plug also means no $3000 wall box to install, so another saving. Now if only the wait times weren't 2 years long...... p.s. the pure electric ~$40k MG ZS EV worked out to be $30k cheaper over 5 years but is a size smaller than I'm looking for. Never mind any other considerations with buying MG...

[@eitai2001]

I was in exactly the same boat here. Also test drove the MG HS EV ... but the infotainment system (which controls your Aircon) was so painfully slow I decided against it. The speedometer took so long to switch on, I was already driving before it came on. Just hope I can get an Outlander in the next 12 months ... order is in. Had a Kia Sorento PHEV coming next month ... but couldn't justify the 17k price difference over the Exceed PHEV.

[@Bangyourbirdnumb]

Nicely worded, I see this was never mentioned anywhere in the video.

[@andrezunido]

Prices on used PHEV vehicles are now quite reasonable. Bought a used Kia Niro PHEV 2022 model service vehicle for 31k EUR. That is far from the cheapest option, but having solar at home I felt like it just made sense to get a used PHEV. The Niro also ticks a lot of boxes for my use case, looking like a normal car and having a very nice cabin and overall build quality. I live in Portugal, and here we also have a large solar and wind infrastructure, which gives us many days of 100% renewable during the year (lets not talk of roi for that infrastructure). That said, it has no spare wheel because that space is used by the battery, thankfully we have nothing comparable to the Australian outback here. Love your content John, greetings from the Iberian peninsula!

[@bnewland1958]

Thank you for this review. I own a Prius Prime, at the time of purchase 2017 it was only $10,000 over a Prius Hybrid, so pay back was faster. I have put 35,000 miles on it with a total gas usage of 60 gallons. I plug in any time I pull in the garage. I have 8 kw of solar on my roof so free power. I love the car. The solar added $26,000 to the deal. No free ride.

[@user-js6wh7jb6p]

I got 7kw solar for $15k

[@alexdhutanu]

Great cars, if you don't really need an SUV. I have 5500km on my Prius Prime, 1l/100km average fuel consumption. 86% driving in EV. I do mostly suburban driving.

[@stylecrate]

Would you have a different view now with the PHEVs qualifying for FBT exemption? Looking at the PHEV Sorento but with the high price and also high servicing costs with short 10k intervals...

[@TheSummerOfGeorge1]

Problem is you’re focused only on the crappy implementations of PHEV: Subaru and European garbage. You clearly missed Toyota and even moreso the Ford Escape PHEV: costs $8.75K more for PHEV, get back $3.75K in tax rebate, so a $5K difference, and then the PHEV gets 41 MPG combined on pure gas, so it’s a win, a win, and then another win, when it comes to Ford Escape PHEV

[@rogerokeefe3799]

I agree with most of your points, but knowing that you are lowering your impact on your environmental impact on global warming outweighs the additional cost of buying.

[@gold3084]

Concidering Australia is not oil self sufficient and what we do produce is refined overseas, then maybe it is a good bet 👍

[@SydneySewerat]

This is sort of a one sided reivew. Anyone doing 15K or more a year in mostly short trips with solar panels and the car is parked at home most days should seriously consider PHEV. And the new Outlander PHEV is a powerpack. And the 80km EV range and extra power will bliss you. You look at all the new aussie KZbin reviews, they all rave about it. Have a 2020 Outlander PHEV, got it new for $46K, $8K less than AWD version. Doing about 15K to 18K per year, mainly tearing around the suburbs in almost always EV mode bliss. I've tasted EV driving and simply can't go back to petrol. Acceleration is wonderful, gear changes bliss, smooth driving, quiet. No fear of engine warming cooling for many short trips. It's worth the extra $8K at least just for the experience. Also the marginal cost of driving is now mostly tyre wear and service, cause the 5.5 cents per kWhr feed in from my solar means energy is 1.5 cents per km. And who cares about the environment and health. If fuel stays around the $2/L into the future, I'm looking fwd to selling my PHEV for a whole lot less depreciation than the petrol versions. And for Australia, I feel that PHEV makes sense for the mainly urbanite who will want to go country from time to time. Considering the whole value proposition, new Outlander PHEV is pretty unbeatable. Which explains the 9mth wait.

[@MatthewDenham-gx9he]

You have failed to factor in the increased resale value of the PHEV. So that $17,000 extra now becomes a much lower figure. You have also based your numbers on $2.00 a liter which i think we can all agree will no doubt increase over the next few years. Soooo.... your numbers are out there too. Fuel price anxiety is the new range anxiety. The solar panels on the roof of your house i would argue were not just purchased for the charging of your car, they were also purchased for the running of your house so i guess that argument is flawed there also. Common John, I thought you were the Auto Expert. PS. Thanks for spending an eternity telling me about your cool new flash light...... Torture. Maybe you can use it to help you find the actual facts.

[@HHH-nj9wq]

All PHEV do not create equal. Another satisfied Toyota RAV4 Prime user. Just buy a RAV4 Prime at near MSRP if one can buy one. One will be good for next 5-10 years without needing an EV. No need for regular gas cars at all.

[@annpeerkat2020]

It's clear which side of the fence you're lurking on by listening to some of your thought processes. In assessing the payback potential of the plug in vs the all petrol, you consider the extra cost of the plug in, but nothing about resale value. Assuming an owner doesn't give away their car, resale value HAS to be part of the consideration. I don't know what useful battery life is likely to be, and a used PHEV is likely to have a different resale value than the petrol version. Perhaps the PHEV may be worth significantly more, perhaps not... but to fail to mention this in considerations means you aren't considering the full picture. I'm getting on a little in years like yourself (ahem), and life has not been kind to my ears. I listened several times and tried reading your lips but still couldn't swear on a stack of bibles whether you said 18Kw or 80Kw. Clearly 18Kw wouldn't push a car along much... (I just did my research, the combination of front and back electric motors give 175HP = wotever killerwatts) Cadders maytttttte! Remember that lime green HQ 253 V8 shaggen wagon you used to have in the 70s? You were so proud of the power of that thing you used to do burnouts outside my girlfriend's place! Anyway, do you realise the shag wagon had more power than just the electric motors on this mitsubishi thing you're talking about? And you reckon that's not enough for tooling around the place at your leisure? Sheesh! you could tow the shag wagon on a trailer behind this thing just on electric! (weights and measures, overloading and stability issues excepted) Agreed you wouldn't get much range, but you were criticising it for power. BUT I'm attracted to the thought of PHEVs showing their best value when tooling along in a miles (OK kilometres) long traffic jam using electric with the petrol just swimming around lazily in the tank until needed when traffic clears up the road. You don't need to travel far in stop go traffic before fuel consumption takes a big dive. If it takes you half an hour to travel 5 kilometres, the fuel consumption over that distance is going to be verrrrry much greater than average urban consumption, and the EV output in those circumstances could be poodle all!. Dunno what traffic is like in your big city, but my in my big city some traffic jams aren't just predictable, they happen like clockwork at the same spots every day. I've got to say, this mitsi wouldn't be my choice for a PHEV for town traffic and getting my hair done. Two electric motors, 175HP is just wrong for that purpose. My idea is more along the lines of getting a good man to weld a bracket to the front of my BF Ford diff and whack a starter motor with a long throw solenoid on it (or better still one of them new fangled brushless motors with stepdown gearing), shrink a gear to the end of the tailshaft and slip a nice lithium battery in the boot. I accept that most folks would desire a bit more complexity, but a PHEV manufacturer could come up with a diff casting to accomodate a suitable motor (or similar for a FWD) and slip a battery somewhere. Something that could tootle along at 80Kph for a while would be pretty useful for most urban folks, and could cost a fraction of the 18K? loading on the mitsi. Just saying... Oh... and Rebecca told me at the time if you hadn't done all those burnouts outside her place, her dad would have let you take her out. He really wanted to have a drive in that car... reckoned it reminded him of the Mk 3 Zephyr he had when he was a lad!

[@peterball8241]

Excellent video. I have run an Outlander PHEV for 6 years and my last fill up worked out at 260mpg. Would have been better but it makes you use some fuel to keep the system healthy, minimum 15ltrs every 3 months.

[@davidwright1752]

Hi Peter do you have the complete running cost of the vehicle. That is what the video is about. I am sure if I spend $200000 on a car and info structure I can get 1000 mpg. Just bit expensive for my 6000 km per year. I would like a Kia Sorrento PHEV but for the life of me just cannot get the sums to add up. Close to $ 30k difference. Or are running it as a taxi and about 160,000 km per year.

[@peterball8241]

@@davidwright1752 The Outlander isn't a cheap car but I enjoy the PHEV and it is relatively economical to run if you do lots of short trips and plug in every night on a cheap tariff. It's costing me £1 to fill the battery giving around 20 miles of range and my last petrol fill up took 18 litres for 1,200 miles (most of which was obviously done on electric).

[@chrissscottt]

As I suspected, most people who drive a PHEV know what they're doing. The exception would likely be the inept driver of a company car.

[@unitedwestand56]

How is it holding on after 6 years? I believe yours is a 2.0L gasoline engine with two 60kW motors, just like mine. I bought my PHEV in the US in 2020 as a new 2019 year model and so far got 27,000 miles on it without encountering a single mechanical issue. I had my hesitations when I bought the car, but a $6,500 factory rebate from Mitsubishi in addition to a $1,500 state tax rebate and a $5,800 Federal tax rebate made it a deal I could not let pass by. My vehicle's mpgs so far around 70.

[@peterball8241]

@@unitedwestand56 7 years in it's holding up well, although only 33,000 miles. only issues so far air con compressor fixed with majority paid for as a good will gesture by Mitsubishi, and warped front discs after an emergency stop. I also have a BEV MG5 so low milage on both. Hard to fault the PHEV.

[@gbiradar75]

Good review but are we missing out on the FBT exempt benefits by the govt. That gets you a good amount back in payg saving over a period of time. Plus if one has access to charging it helps.

[@mattpike7268]

I really like my 2023 ford maverick hybrid XL. Costed less than a new honda civic, and I'm averaging 45mpg. Over the 8k miles I've driven so far. If environmentalists are serious about reducing our fuel use, then lower priced hybrids are the fastest way.

[@jasonlewis2990]

I try having this conversation with people and it just falls on deaf ears. They 100% believe it'll save them money and the car is better for the environment regardless of any facts or figures I show them

[@smncosmin]

My case ... Renault captur phev rsline . Between this and the tce160 rsline is only 4000 euro ( in our country the government is giving some help when you buy a new car) ... The car is charged daily . 6400 km in total until now and from all of these there where 3 trips each of around 500km when the consumption was 6.3l/100km+8.5kwh/100km . The rest of around 5000km , are in the city and I can say fosr sure than 90+% was in EV mode . With an average of 14-15kwh/100km ,in EV mode the cost is 2euros /100km . What do you think ? ... Until this car will die it will still be used in the same way until now ...

[@waynehewett4017]

They blindly believe and swallow all the lies and propaganda the government and car makers dish out Sure EVs and Hybrids have their place in the cities for short runs But the people that can afford 80 grand for a EV don't really give a shit about the price of fuel do they ?

[@geirvinje2556]

The best is to go full BEV. I have a Tesla model 3. If someone told me that I needed oil change, checking the liquid, so it won't frese in the winter, or that I needed to fill up my tank before I drive to work. I will never buy that car. I don't like wasting my time going to gas stations, and on my tripps down in Europe. The charging are faster than eating a dinner with my wife.

[@waynehewett4017]

@@geirvinje2556 it good you have been able to use your tesla ot it's fullest The recharging station infrastructure in Europe is very good But here in Australia we are still in the stone age when it come to power infrastructure Even when you are able to find a recharging station in the cities good luck finding one that's not vandalised, damaged or simply doesn't work In rural areasits even worse as recharging stations areas rare as hens teeth Like going from Perth in Western Australia to Adelaide in south Australia is over 3000 kms with nothing much but a few towns and truck stops between Just try doing that in an EV? yes John showed them doing that and also showed the EV on the back of a tow truck for the last quarter of the way when the EV shit itself Here in Australia we have along way to go before EVs are even close to being economical and a decent price

[@neilgorin1037]

@@geirvinje2556 sorry to disappoint you but a Tesla has a cooling system that has to be checked and topped up from time to time. It also has oil in the axles...

[@paulsven7923]

There are plenty of videos where it shows how loading some electric cars with 4 people and luggage halves the range and towing a caravan halves the range again

[@waldemarii]

I skipped whole plugin hybrid nonsense and went with BEV.

[@mikenorsa5193]

Some great points and agree with almost everything. But not the hectic planning needed for full EV road trips. Between the Tesla software and or an app you're only a couple of taps on your phone from finding out every possible place to recharge along the route. Its really a non issue at all. For me, driving at 25k KMs/yr I save $4600 give or take on fuel per year compared to my old car at current fuel prices. That's 3.2 years of driving to break even after the added premium of buying the EV. I plan on driving this EV for the long term thanks to LFP chemistry's longevity. If the car makes it 20 years then that's $92,000 in fuel savings over the life of the compared to an equivalent ICE vehicle. So over the life of a full EV compared to the life a regular ICE vehicle you can most certainly save a tonne of money on fuel. Not to mention all the oil changes, fuel filter, air filter etc etc etc you won't have to pay for.

[@moyhennabuchanan1076]

20 years on 1 x set of batteries? yes, you'll still save but maybe round down your $92K estimate

[@timothykeith1367]

What is the future for PHEV 1/2 ton trucks. Full EV trucks can't tow long distances

[@angfam7729]

I just bought the new Outlander PHEV 1 month ago in NZ. I can do all my weekday driving in EV mode, and can easily do motorway speeds without the need for the petrol engine engaging. After 1700km, I’ve averaged 1.6L/100km. I plan to keep this car for 10 years, which is the length of the warranty if i keep getting it serviced by Mitsubishi. So I’d hope I’ve recovered the cost difference this has over the ICE model by then. But it’s not just the petrol savings that should be considered when looking at the price difference between PHEV & ICE models. With the electric motors, the PHEV surges out of corners, giving a much greater driving pleasure than the ICE model.

[@JasonISF]

Nice, I don't blame you - the petrol prices in NZ are even scarier than here in Australia!

[@angfam7729]

@@joeblack1052 , that's good advice - thanks for the tip. I'll drive around in Power mode (which keeps the engine running) for the next month to help bed the engine in, and then use that mode one day per week to keep it happy.

[@mondotv4216]

@@joeblack1052 That’s incorrect. Take it from somebody’s who’s owned the original since 2014 and driven at least 80% of the time in EV only mode (probably closer to 90% for the first 5.5 years - often to the extent of having to use the fuel in the tank or risk it getting contaminated (Mitsu forces you to do this after a preset time without a fill). Provided you keep the scheduled maintenance on the petrol engine, the net result of using it less is …. less wear and tear on the engine. I have had zero problems that could be attributed to running the petrol engine sporadically. The reality is oil degrades over time so keeping to that schedule is the most important thing for the engine.

[@ghostofdre]

@@joeblack1052 are you saying the petrol engine will degrade from non use? It will wear out from not being used? I would just keep up on the oil changes and kick out over every now and then, not using a well lubricated engine for weeks at a time shouldn't present any problems.

[@trojanhman8136]

John, I will also point out, that the war in Ukraine wasn't responsible for petrol price increases. If you look at the financial news, it has just come out, about a week or so ago, that the petrol companies have doubled their profits. Yes, the Ukraine war was just an excuse. It is also worth noting that Australia has enormous oil reserves and that successive governments have refused to develop. instead deciding to support the globalists.

[@davidt1601]

It’s good to get a reality check. This is a great review and really put things into prospective. Still getting a PHEV.

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

You forgot to mention the efficiency of these PHEV are terrible. With the same battery capacity, a real EV can often go twice as far. With decent engine power (kW.) And not like you drive around in a German premium with the electric power of a Smart.

[@easy-draw]

When You buy PHEV you are not overpaying for the battery version to gas and then you have to drive 70k to break even. You are making investment do you know how much would cost you to get 20 kw battery for off-grid? Much much more than difference between norma outlander price and phev one

[@stephen38620]

Another benefit is less trips to the gas station, so it would save you time.

[@lenimbery7038]

I agree completely however I'm still buying one for my wife who doesn't understand any of your realistic evaluation....so she'll be happy in her lala land believing that she's saving any money....happy wife, happy life (no matter how ridiculous the reasoning)

[@lenimbery7038]

I just bought one for my wife for the same reasons....I have a Tesla Model Y and she was considering buying one too but I didn't want to deal with her range and technology anxiety

[@Varukimm]

Let me tell you some more benefits since I'm a PHEV owner since the first model. * I get free parking in my city because of encouragement to decrees the carbon footprint through electrifying cars. * The electricity is free at my office and in the beginning every supermarket had free charging. * Almost always have a free parking spot even if I charge or not, I just plug the cable and let it there :) * The car is big, I can go with full family on vacations and I can go each morning to the gym. It is optimized both for short or long drives. The more short drives with charging in between the better. Also is 4x4 and has high ground clearance making it easy to climb ledges and extend parking :) * The car is fun to drive.

[@adamcoe]

Very good review. In Canada it actually makes a lot more sense as the price difference between the ICE only and PHEV models is much closer, and the average person drives a fair bit more. Most leases for example are based on 16K-20K a year, meaning that even if you had to make back that same 17 grand, for a lot of people that's less than 4 years (and as I say, it's actually much less than $17K although I'm not sure how the exchange compares). There is also currently (summer 2023) a 5 thousand dollar credit from the federal gov't (with some provinces adding additional credits) to buy a hybrid or PHEV so that definitely gets you into the savings that much faster. Really digging the Outlander and I'm thinking about pulling the trigger this year if I can find a buyer for my F150.

[@john1701a]

This video does not address the type of PHEV that prevents the gas-engine from ever starting. Both plug-in hybrids from Toyota will remain in electric-only even when you drop the pedal to the floor. No gas is used in EV mode. Both offer EV speed up to 84 mph. Both use electric heat-pumps for cabin warming. They are designed to operate like a BEV until the battery-pack is depleted. In other words, not all PHEV operate the same way, as this video implies.

[@minkman1770]

Chevy Volt is another example of that!

[@grantlouw3182]

Great fact check as usual, thank you JC. Another factor in the poor PHEV performance in Europe is that most are company cars with associated company fuel card so no rational person would plug them in at home where they pay for the electricity.

[@whysah_WD]

In most cases electricity cost for charging is monthly reimbursed based on what the company reads from the on-board computer. It might be taxed differently though 🙂

[@chrisbraid2907]

Hey John, say I buy me a Tesla because I live 200 km out in the country it makes sense to me to have a car that can round trip to town. With the traction capabilities to allow me to use it for on farm light duties fuel ? I don’t have to store any for my Tesla she plugs straight into my 240v Mains to charge overnight or if I’m in a hurry the 400v Three Phase in my Shed, garage or workshop … that’s got to be easier for me than handling fuel … Superchargers might be handy and quick but they aren’t the only option. All across Australia most houses come with 240v power making it pretty easy, not to mention camping grounds … I was blown away at wave rest village in Hopetoun Western Australia to find four charging stalls some six or seven years ago, powered by Solar, it was great to see and unexpected by me back then. It is estimated that there were 806 Teslas in Western Australia in may 2021 .there are now probably many more …

[@richardagent1924]

I'll be able to save$10 on a tank of fuel by spending an extra $30k on a new car

[@ghs7714]

Nice gay t-shirt John!!! Stolen from a 🐄 boy?

[@manoman0]

...and that's why GM'S VOLTEC was and still is the most clever platform.

[@sticustom]

We all remember where to hit the glass after your comprehensive report on exploding sunroofs. Hehehehe

[@charlesholder8009]

Totally agree. I opted for the 7-seater version here in the UK, saved a lot of money and the extra seats have been useful. (Calling the car, a 7-seater is stretching the trades description act to breaking point). I avoided buying a diesel when they were all the rage on the same calculation as I only drive about 7,000 miles a year. I am annoyed and upset to find Mitsubishi has pulled out of the UK and wondered if you could get me a new Outlander Cheap, please.

[@robertmanship]

One other factor that wasn't considered for someone that day runs 70% of the time in EV mode and that is less maintenance like oil changes and such

[@MrGazza1404]

Well explained thanks John. A single data point:. I had a Mercedes c350e PHEV. The 6kwh battery would get me no more than 17klm when I was being when being ultra nerdy and using no petrol,. Much less than the 30klm quoted in the sales blurb. In practice I would fill up the smaller than usual 50 l fuel tank every 2.5 weeks instead of weekly. The killer was that this is a fully EV, and a fully petrol drive system, well integrated. Odd events would occur needing a reboot. In the end four faults could not be diagnosed or fixed despite video evidence. It was a Mercedes, with a complicated system no one could fix and it was about to go out of warranty. What could possibly go wrong?

[@waynehewett4017]

Mercedes Benz are very nice vehicles if you can afford one over a 100 grand or more But Mercedes Benz is Satan in a suit with custom care ,warranties and throwing its customers under the bus when it comes to consumer law I assume you had the same thing when your EV developed a problem

[@tjroelsma]

Those were essentially what is called a "me too" product: if BMW, Audi and others sell a PHEV, then Mercedes also has to sell one. So they hastily slapped something together. This is the reason why you should never be a first adapter, because the initial serie almost always has problems the designers hadn't foreseen. Wait at least until the updated serie comes out, as many of those early problems have been solved by then.

[@waynehewett4017]

@@tjroelsma yes they are just slapped together together on the EV gravy train Like any new technologies what are you going to do if your EV shits it's self out in the middle of nowhere? You'd better be sitting down when you get the towing and repair bill for your 80 grand shit box And you thought you would save money buying a EV?

[@tjroelsma]

@@waynehewett4017 That's why it's better to wait at least one and preferably two or more versions before buying an EV. On most second, third and later generation EV's the problems have been pretty much ironed out and they are fairly reliable. You can't take them out to DPC (Dingo Piss Creek) though, because you can't charge them there, but with a PHEV that isn't really a problem. The only thing you might consider is: "do I want to take a reasonably complicated vehicle out to DPC or do I adhere to the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle for as long as I still can?" But that's a personal consideration.

[@waynehewett4017]

@@tjroelsma yep sound advise my friend Me I'm sticking to my petrol vehicle til it dies At least if it shots itself and runs out of petrol I have a good chance f ether fixing the problem or getting to the nearest help With a EV or hybrid you can't fix it and nor can anyone else apart from a EV mechanic and make sure your sitting down when they give you the repair bill.

[@lesmansom7817]

It’s not the saving on fuel ,it’s the saving the planet for social currency that counts.😎👍

[@drewiliffe4855]

When Lismore and many surrounding towns were flooded in February petrol was scarce as tankers could not get through. Long queues resulted in a few cars having full tanks and many almost empty. Some people were without power and for many people in Lismore they were given 1 powerpoint to use for months until things returned to more normal. This opened my eyes to not putting all of your eggs in one basket. Own an EV but no power (for some time until the water receded and wiring was made safe)? Own a petrol car but no fuel until the tankers get through and you are lucky /time it in finding a servo with fuel? Or get a PHEV and be able to get petrol or electricity somewhere nearby. On another note, Ballina Shire Council recently voted to NOT install an EV charger so avoid Ballina if you are driving your EV and spend money elsewhere.

[@keithwells9185]

What interests me about these types of cars is that very thing you mention. They can keep the fridge working in a blackout. But nowhere have I found out if the ICE engine when running actually recharges the Batt Pack whilst driving the car? I'm hoping you can clarify when you see this reply.

[@drewiliffe4855]

@@keithwells9185 only some EV have the ability to run a fridge etc, not all. 'Vehicle to load' is the name. Not sure if a Hybrid is able to. These vehicles can recharge their battery when they apply their brakes (regenerative braking) so around town it works well, but at highway speeds on a longer drive it the benefits are reduced.

[@keithwells9185]

@@drewiliffe4855 Thankyou for the quick reply.

[@TheInvoice123]

Going to be a lot more house/garage fires?

[@Micko350]

I have a 2015 Outlander PHEV, it has only 87,000k's on it & the current range is only 21kms on Battery & I charge religiously. This is mostly OK for the driving I do but it's overall fuel consumption is around 8.5L/100 from drives up & down the Coast. It's very easy for me to drive on battery only as I've hypermiled Hybrid Camry's for many years but, if you put you foot into it, the engine will run. I'm currently trying to find a replacement battery on the cheap but will probably end up just selling it & buying another Hybrid Camry(or a Hybrid Rav4 instead) as we lost 2 of them this year(one from a hit & run & the other in the floods). I also have a 2.2L Turbo Diesel Outlander Exceed & it's a guzzler, not to mention the fact it sounds like a Tractor! The Hybrid Camry's fuel economy is fantastic, I regularly got in the 4's, (overall consumption in the car the Missus now drives was 5.6L/100kms when I was the Captain) but currently 6.1L/100. Overall, very, very disappointed in, not only the finish of the Outlanders, but Mitsubishi in general!

[@ourkaravan]

I wish more people had plug-ins. Every day I walk past a line of cars at the local school, all are idling their engines to run AC. If all these vehicles were PHEV or Ev, the parking lot would be quiet and without all the heat and emissions pouring out of the vehicles. Once you have PHEV or EV, internal combustion just seems unrefined and wasteful. Also driving EV mode is really nice. Economically you're right, but the EV driving experience is not without reward.

[@yggdrasil9039]

68,000km of driving some people do in a year. The other thing you have to look at is the fact that fuel supply is inherently unpredictable. If fuel prices skyrocket again, or worse, fuel is cut off completely by some conflict, at least with a PHEV you've still got a working vehicle that can still drive about 80km. Anyone with an ICE only vehicle in that situation basically has a tonne or so metal sculpture parked in their driveway.

[@tomnewham1269]

John mentioned fuel security as a reason for owning a PHEV.

[@gjjohnso]

Remember, fuel prices in Australia will be going up in September when the fuel excise is returned to normal. I think it's around A$0.23 per liter extra.

[@bradjoyce525]

One thing that you haven't noted is the cost savings with no FBT on novated lease with PHEV and electric vehicles.

[@AnthonyJohns-w4q]

The only reason I purchased an Outlander PHEV on Novated lease. Not FBT or GST.

[@devo7428]

I'd still consider one. Yeah financially makes no sense. Not going to save the world either but we all hate handing over cash at the pump. If we can pre-pay or fuel upfront by buying a PHEV. There's a satisfaction in paying less each week to move your car thereafter. Even if you pay a premium for the luxury. Resale will probably play a part. Fuel spikes and power outs are covered. Less fumes etc. Yeah I'd consider one. Oh and their not dog ugly like a Tesla

[@waynehewett4017]

Would you rather hand 80 grand over to the muskrat for a crap tesla ? Using the vehicle you already own ,planning your trips and outings and not flooring it Will save you more money than a 80 grand tesla could ever do

[@devo7428]

@@waynehewett4017 not for a tesla mate. Ugly poor quality shitbox

[@ashb8572]

Soultion to issue both points raised is dont buy New! If you get a Toyota Phev it'll never activate the engine regardless of how hard you accelerate plus keeps in EV mode upto 84mph!😊

[@rafguend4239]

Your vids reviews are good but please cut down on the irrelevant AD segment and keep it short you will do much better

[@MiniLuv-1984]

Why doesn't Mitsubishi throw out the ICE engine in the PHEV and make it an 80km BEV and let us live within the 80kw that offers? Lighter means it could go a little further, cheaper to buy since its missing a trans, ICE and other bits and much less maintenance.

[@nuclearfishin1185]

People are so gullible in this regard.....and car makers are excellent at marketing BS!

[@shawnsereal]

Trick is to buy your phev used and not new. I paid $24,000 for a 2018 Ioniq phev. I plug it in every day and always start the day with a full charge. I drive 31.9 miles to work in hybrid mode everyday, and going home I use all 29 miles of ev. In actuality, I only get 26 out of that 29 miles because of hills and 70mph freeway speeds. But it's enough to almost get me home. Gas savings is $240.00 per month compared to the car that was replaced with the phev. So, I'm saving $2880 in gas every year. So my break even point is 8.333 years before the gas savings has paid for the car. But, then again that doesn't include the cost of charging everday at $2.00 per charge. So, your correct that most people will never break even on a phev. WoW! Most people don't keep their cars long enough to brag about the savings. It's all Bull about how much your saving. But I do enjoy the car as a daily commuter. Thanks for the informative video.

[@PC-oi4kj]

After 8 years, when you've possibly broken even with the purchase price, you'll be faced with the exorbitant cost of replacing the EV batteries which are nearing the end of their working life.

[@Vertignasse82]

Here in Canada the LE trim PHEV version of the Outlander I just bought was just 3000$ more than the ICE version of the same trim. This is because I got 10k in government rebate. Boom.

[@1969cmp]

Gee.....I like my Kia Optima 😎

[@PamenterDoug]

My 2021 Niro PHEV is awesome! Truly the best of both worlds. No it is not a race car but the dual clutch transmission with sport mode is efficient and fun to drive. It has driver’s seat memory is power adjustable. Plus the front seats are heated and ventilated and full leather seats all around. The car is easy to get in and out of both front and rear seats, and easy to park and drive around the city, very solid on the highway, with lots of space in the back, plus roof racks and cross bars. I like the regular sunroof (not pano), and the understated styling helps this very cool car blend in. I added on a block heater for winter and rain guards for summer. The regular tinted windows are perfect. The sixteen inch wheels give a better ride and fuel economy than the larger wheels. The intelligent cruise control is my favourite feature. The dual zone AC is great and I like having buttons to push. The dual digital instrument panels give a ton of programmable information and again… blend in. Not like other cars that have an iPad stuck on the dash… I could go on, but you get the picture.

[@jimmurphy5355]

If you lease a plug-in hybrid how much of the premium do you recover at the end of the lease hopefully the plug-in hybrid has a higher residual value than the non-plug-ins so you get some of your value back

[@JamalHashe]

Very good arguments there John. Thanks. Given the new tax incentives recently announced, I would love how this stacks up? Any update on this topic will be appreciated very much.

[@dennishardy4402]

Have owned a Mitsi eclipse cross phev for one month and 773klm. Always charge for free every time we come home off our solar/wind power system. Just put in 5.9litres of petrol to fill it up. It depends on your personal circumsrances as to whether the finances add up.

[@vit8250]

I thought Australia had oil.

[@guringai]

The pure simplicity of EVs does it for me. Carrying 2 parallel drive systems around together is wasteful & overly complicated

[@anthonyadverse4449]

Chuckle, 84km range, so you can only get ~40Km from home to make sure you can get home and refill for "free" again, and now do ~67K km worth of driving.

[@TheRobinj13]

Brilliant, just the sort of advice I was looking for. Shame about the 6 mins of advertising though! 😳

[@petesmitt]

LPG is on the outer but surprisingly, I've seen hybrid taxi's in Melbourne that are also converted to LPG; I'm sticking to using propane ICE as the emissions are very low and doesn't pollute the engine oil like petrol does.

[@351tgv]

Ford Australia with Falcon at the end had the excellent EcoLpi technology (basically liquid direct injection) sad that this technology was basically abandoned with the end of Falcon in 2016. That said LPG is not the answer right now with cost per litre depending on where you are from $0.99.9c Sydney Metro to something like $1.60.9 in Perth since most LPG cats still on the road use the much older vaporiser "carby" set up which were never that good at maintaining decent fuel.ecomomy unless doing steady consistent highway speeds. LPG only works when it's priced at $0.49.9 or lower

[@petesmitt]

@@351tgv that's why LPG is dying.. it's no longer economic to convert new ICE vehicles, especially now that ICE vehicles are supposed to become obsolete.

[@justatiger6268]

Plugin-ins have several obvious disadvantages, none of which are mention in this *revealing hit piece on plugins* : - reduced boot capacity compared to convetional ICE-only counterpart. - recuded fuel tank compared to comventional ICE-only counterpart, making long drives a bit of a chore, especially compared to a diesel. - increased weight, especially once the battery is dead. But there are also clear and obvious benefits: - increased performance aithout a significant and constant fuel consumption penalty. Anyone who has driven a modern plugin will know. - if you own solar and have excess production, this is a great alternative.

[@keptinkaos6384]

Don't know if you're reading these John, but I'm thinking of a second hand outlander Phev in the 15-16k range, any thoughts not enough money for new.

[@hal3137]

Perfect sum up of the situation , one of Johns best video's to date.

[@justatiger6268]

12:35 No, no you will not be carrying around "a BIG, dirty battery", that's the whole freakin' point, aint it?!? It's a plugin-in and the battery is tiny compared to a full-EV.

[@nevmcc3884]

Though your mathematical argument against buying a phev is perfectly logical, if everyone took your advice, the price would never come down and progress in efficiency would never happen. Having said that, I did the math too and won't be buying one yet.:)

[@chriskennedy7534]

Dam people who want to use facts in an argument ... SMH

[@dcvariousvids8082]

PHEVs are generally more expensive than ICEd by 25+%. If you’re only doing 20-30mi/32-48km on your daily drive; and you religiously charge that lithium pack at home, so a good portion of your mi/km are covered by electric and not gas/diesel. Then you might claw-back the new sticker price difference, at around 60,000-80,000mi/96,000-128,000km. However, if you never plug-in, (as there is evidenced surveys for) then you’ll never claw-back the difference. Unless you’re buying the PHEV for tax reasons, rather than an ICEd vehicle and the 2-4yr. tax benefit is greater in favour of the PHEV, whether you plug-in or not. The questions you have to answer are: •is your tax benefit that much greater in favour of the PHEV •will you even bother to plug-in •if you plug-in, will the majority of the electricity be on a low price tariff •if the tax benefit isn’t in favour of the PHEV, will you still own and or be driving the PHEV in 60,000-80,000mi/96,000-128,000km, when you’re only driving 20-30mi/32-48km a day •if the tax benefit isn’t in favour of the PHEV and do you normally only keep your vehicles for 2-3yrs., wouldn’t you be better off banking the PHEV-ICE difference in a short-term high yield bond •are you buying the PHEV for that warm fuzzy saving the planet feeling and is that warm fuzziness worth the hole in your bank account, because you afraid to go full EV but don’t mind paying more in the hope of saving •have you considered buying a low mi/km secondhand EV, where someone else has taken the price hike hit for you; or will your ego really not allow you to buy anything other than new? Ego only gets you a week of your neighbours saying, “They must be doing well.” A second week of your neighbours saying, “Can they really afford it?” And six months of you not wanting to park it next to another vehicle. And bothering to wash is once a week.

[@vulpixelful]

As EV infrastructure continues to grow, PHEVs will become less and less necessary for the average person watching this video. I drive an EV and I have zero charging anxiety, even living in an area that gets winter. But I don't live in a place with minimal infrastructure. Range extenders, where the electric motor is primary and the gas engine is a generator for it, are useful for utility vehicles that _actually haul things_ but most electrified vehicle buyers don't do that, so don't need the complication of maintaining two power sources in one car.

[@mattg8205]

these comments.....I have a PHEV and it is saving me money. It cost no more than a regular hybrid, due to the EV govt 5000 rebate I got on purchase, which negated the extra price for the plug-in. It is AMAZING to drive (coming from a guy whose first car was a 1974 Baracuda) and regarding fuel economy, and helping preserve the environment, the ONLY number that matters is the accumulated litres/100km, as it takes EVERYTHING into account. Right now mine sits at around 4l/100km. Don't even get me into the ridiculous performance that accompanies electric motors. One thing I notice is that fans of gas engine, along with fans of EVs, both seem to begrudge PHEVs. I feel like I'm betraying both sides! LOL. Anyways, it's simple...no type of car is right for everyone, period. I know a guy who drives a challenger with a V8. He lives in the country, his commute is clear and smooth highway driving, and he gets around 6.5l/100km. Hard to argue with that. But his life isn't my life, ya know?

[@stuartthomas4836]

I’m from the uk and I’ve had petrol cars and ev cars, and now own a bmw phev. And yes I agree I will never recoup the extra money I’ve spent on the car. But here’s something your not being told. With an ev the public charging is a nightmare and can be very stressful. Now with my phev kept fully charged at home, driven sensibly I get lots of very quiet relaxing driving and I’ve not put fuel in for months. And I don’t get range stress. So to me it’s a price worth paying.

[@justatiger6268]

Solar is not free of course but it is only as valuable as much as you, the owner, get to actually utilize that investment and put it to use. And plug-ins can be a good investment if you manage to find a lightly used one with a price basically the same as its conventional cousin. The oerformance is also something that will always put a smile on your face.

[@tareklarbi7168]

Thank you 🙏🏼 even in North Africa here, your analysis of the technology and its day to day usage, make sense 👍🏼 Good points indeed 👏🏼

[@stellabell6241]

and it does help the environment.. thanks though you give excellent points,,

[@davidmorgan2964]

This guy seems pretty smart however his math isn’t so smart. I would venture to guess the average driver might drive around 12,000 miles a year that’s slightly under 20,000 km/ year. So to get back his exorbitant plug-in cost of $17,000 extra (I’d really love to be the salesman selling him a car ) he say’s it might take 7-8 years. My calculation means he can drive the other 10,000 km in straight ICE power. Oh, yea when the owner of the plug-in car decides to sell his decision to buy a plug-in car - might he not get back some of the extra money he paid for that expensive option??? So let’s say he gets 25-50% of the value for this option - then how long before he saves $ and maybe is ahead of the game. I can remember when I got a higher price for my trade-in because it had a moon roof, who’s to say buying a used car that has this option (plug-in hybrid) most likely that will increase the re-sale value??? Any guess on what the price of gas will be in 5 years or 10 years? I highly doubt it will still be $2 a litre.

[@caractacus22]

You’re talking Aussie petrol prices. In U.K. we pay £1.70 per litre. I save half by using electricity. Over 3 yrs I’ll pay for the cost of my wall box. So. You’re wrong . I got this.

[@matthewrafferty4117]

I'd love to say they make great sense but unfortunately for most they don't. I think it would work for our family use but I'm not prepared to wait 12+ months for an Outlandr PHEV. My wifes comute is a 98km round trip so she could go to work and most of the way home with a fully charged battery. We drive the wife's car as a family car at times and do about 17-20k per year. We bought a Rav4 hybrid last year and it averages 5.8L/100 which is much better than her previous much smaller and less comfortable i30 SR Premium which drank 7.8L/100k. Our current Kluger hybrid uses only 5.2L/100km drinking cheap e10. I like driving a big car with small car economy. My daily Jeep Gladiator used 12.3L/100 which is acceptable for the type of car it is. A surprise to me though was a Hyundai Tucson we recently had as a loan car for a week. It was a base model petrol and was a very ordinary car that averaged 9.4L/100 over the 300km I drove it.

[@martinhunt4698]

Really well done piece. I was impressed you mentioned all the stuff about energy security and backup power for your house at the end. You basically ran through my entire thought process around buying the new Outlander PHEV. It’s a bit depressing I will have to drive 70,000 k’s before I break even, yes I do have solar. I will also get the Dendo Drive House system at some point allowing me to use the car as a battery for my home, which may allow additional economic benefits.

[@ordinarypinoyreview1843]

I hate how you talk... You talk with overflowing adjectives in every sentence.... stop it!

[@mondotv4216]

I never thought I would save money buying a PHEV (Mitsubishi Outlander)- it cost about $9K more to buy in 2014. Doing the sums I might have saved about $6 - $7k in fuel alone (105,000K) because even though you’re carrying around a battery it still does better even in hybrid mode than the petrol variant. So even when you’re not running pure EV your saving approx 10% in fuel costs. But I was a big EV only user - above average as I’d commute to work, charge there and commute home. I think my record was 3000kms before the car refused to go into EV mode to stop the fuel getting contaminated. But I regularly got past 2,500km. So I had to drive another 200kms or so and fill up. It only takes about 37- 39 litres unless I really push it (think it’s a 45 litre tank). The point is, that won’t be a lot of people’s experience. However, I’ve definitely saved money on maintenance. Original brakes probably have another 100,000K. Regular services and one cruise control switch replaced under warranty. One set of tyres replaced around 78,000K. Original 12V battery still working - doesn’t get subjected to much stress. Not sure how much longer. That must be cheaper than the petrol variant. I imagine the ICE version would have been through two sets of pads, maybe three and probably the disc rotors are due for replacement. At least one possibly two 12V batteries. It’s a pretty reliable car so lets not add anything else. I’m going to say I maybe saved an additional $1500 in maintenance. So did I save money? Maybe I’ll break even when I sell as they’re worth a few quid more used. Do I regret the purchase. Absolutely not - quiet , smooth, fit for purpose. Should you buy one over a full electric equivalent. Only if money is the issue. You’ll pay more up front for an EV with similar specs and towing capability and you won’t get the power of a full EV. If you’re going to do a lot of long distance towing (fairly limited on the Outlander) maybe stick with the PHEV or petrol.

[@adamcoe]

That's a super good point about brakes, I never even though of that. One more reason to buy the PHEV I've been eyeing

[@gbiradar75]

Great points. Thanks for sharing, never considered the wear n tear of mechanical parts