Time to roast some A-grade pro-EV nuts | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@AutoExpertJC]

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[@freethinker4991]

John I am disappointed that you failed to comment the report by Georg Bieker challenging your argument "A GLOBAL COMPARISON OF THE LIFE-CYCLE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS OF COMBUSTION ENGINE AND ELECTRIC PASSENGER CARS" link to video explaining report in plain English //kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJqahml5n8Rll6s Further failing to advise your viewers that the the Australian electrical grid is in a transition and has improved, according to AMEO renewable have reached a 68% peak. In time EV will become the dominant form of transportation for Passenger vehicles.

[@peterimmoos2621]

John, I noticed in your last report on this topic that someone is deleting and blocking comments within several discussion strings that led to an extremely bios discussion i.e. pro ICE. I have noticed that this trend appears to be continuing in this string as there should be several replies indicated and when I review the replies they are not showing up. There was a comment in your last post by someone with a link to pod podcast Just Have a Think which I watch regularly that covered a report on EV's and ICE vehicles that challenged your argument. I was hoping you would review and challenge the report. Note I work in the mining and power industry but am looking for truthful and factual information and not interested in hyperbole. I have only just come across your show and have been bin watching as you appear to have a balanced and far view on vehicles. Grate work.

[@freethinker4991]

@@peterimmoos2621 Yes I have been one of the commentators that have been deleted. I am glad that some one has noticed. As you hare working in the mining and power industry I hope you are aware the AEMO is showing that renewables are pushing out Coal power with renewables accounting for 60+% peak power production.

[@Impact-Vermin-Control]

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[@KingBravo-lo3vc]

Data always gets in your way at least in the USA. A survey of all of the new car dealer's lots shows the lowest price car on the lot in Memphis, TN is 28,500 dollars. There are cars with a lower MSRP but apparently, they never get made. The cheapest car on the lots is the price of Tesla Model 3 you can order 24/7.

[@MikeLyons2011]

I love the "no maintenance" argument. I've been working on machines my whole life, mostly computers and I've never seen one that doesn't require maintenance.

[@fugawiaus]

Evs don’t need maintenance. They’re whitegoods, just toss them out. Hehe

[@flouisbailey]

$50,000 for a battery in a $40,000 car sounds like a money saver to me.

[@SteveEddy-od7fb]

Yes I was a mechanic for 35 years and I remember GM pushing that nonsense in the 80s Hmmm how many 80s GM products from that era do you see on the road today?

[@dps615]

how have I managed to own my tesla for 5 years now and never had it serviced then? John must be shitting his pants, he knows his car buniness has limited time left

[@robertmoffett3486]

​@@dps615Lots of owners neglect their cars. John isn't worried about anything. He doesn't He doesn't drink Kool Ade, or swallow horsepoop

[@ColinCarFan]

I am upset that unlike me (a retired engineer), you seem to be becoming more wise, intelligent and (surprisingly) patient as you age John. Keep at it!

[@axelknutt5065]

You can tell an engineer, you just can’t tell them much.

[@FlakeyPM]

Patient? Really? I don't think so. He enjoys not being patient with these clowns

[@ThomasLee123]

I WAS ALWAYS AMAZED IN MY SCIENTIFIC CAREER AT THE FACT THAT ENGINEERS HAVE THE SHARED INABILITY TO SOLDER TWO WIRES TOGETHER. @@axelknutt5065

[@flouisbailey]

Sure love his names 3Prong, Big Money Waster, ect.

[@more.power.]

As I said once before stupid people don't know they are stupid. Thank you John excellent work.

[@AutoExpertJC]

The truly knowledgable, by comparison, tend to be filled with self-doubt.

[@grahamcampbell9261]

Genuinely and scientifically - People can only see people of lesser intelligence. Stephen Fry talked about it.

[@jarrodgilmore3988]

In psychology it's called the Dunning Kruger effect.

[@grahamcampbell9261]

@@jarrodgilmore3988 That is a thing for sure but I am talking about the inability of a person to 'See' more intelligent people in the room. Like not seeing the gorilla who walked across a basketball court (Famous experiment). The brain seems default wired to filter out or not recognise people of superior intelligence. Think about it - you can name so many people dumber than you, but can you see the people who are cleverer than you as obviously? Where do you place yourself? All around you are 50% dumber and 50% cleverer people (assuming you are average). Can you spot them?

[@rjbiker66]

They say its easier to train a smart dog.

[@paolocardinali3951]

I love the EV cult spank... it's so funny, these people are really nuts. Paying 20-30 K more for a car and then telling you how much they are saving on fuel... Good job, John

[@foxxster3565]

Yep, almost twice the price of a similar ice vehicle. And with zero resale value after about 10 years as the cost of battery replacement is more than the car is worth. A replacement battery for a Porsche Taycan in the uk is £40,000 or about 80,000 aud

[@snirptacular]

@@foxxster3565 I dont think a Tesla cost twice of a similar ICE vehicle. Can you please show me an example of a similar spec car to the Tesla Model 3 for half the price?

[@foxxster3565]

@@snirptacular Toyota Camry from around 35k Tesla model 3 starts at 60k and of course that is their base model. The long range, still less than a Camry comes in at 73k. People ,well ev evangelists think that because teslas are expensive they are luxury vehicles. Which of course is a complete lie . They are less luxurious than a Camry or Mazda or even Hyundai. Cheap materials, poor build quality and zero interior controls. Again the Tesla fanboys think this is cool. To only have a giant screen and a few buttons, not realising they have been conned. It is cheap, cheap because no physical buttons or knobs and cheap as no wiring looms. And most other evs are indeed twice the price of their petrol equivalent. Hyundai Kona, MG, etc. Tesla prices and indeed Chinese evs prices have dropped recently due to massive oversupply in China. There is a price war. Also an oversupply of batteries. How long that will last is debatable.

[@foxxster3565]

@@snirptacular “Take - for example - this 2022 Hyundai Kona Electric. In Kona Elite specification, and with the Extended Range battery pack (the larger of two available), you're looking at $60,500 before on-road costs. That's nearly double a petrol-powered Kona Elite, which costs $31,900 before on-road costs”. “This year’s MG ZS EV has new styling, a bigger 51kWh battery (for longer range) and introduces a less-expensive Excite variant that will arrive at $46,990 drive-away. There’s also a more feature-rich Essence version for an extra $3000. By comparison, the petrol-fuelled ZS Excite automatic is $22,490 drive-away. It has the same features as the EV and shares the dimensions, although the battery pack adds about 270kg in weight.

[@oldgit15]

You know that people can buy them second hand do you?

[@SteveN-Sydney]

This video is too funny, John. Thanks for cheering up my day.

[@AutoExpertJC]

No wukkas.

[@benchapman5247]

I think I enjoy the nut roasts quite a bit more than the original videos.

[@prussiaaero1802]

EV nuts always claim they need NO servicing. Ever. So no tyres? no brakes? no suspension rubbers? no shocks?? No wiper rubbers? No windshield washer fluid? Right..........

[@steve_787]

I'm in the UK and have a Renault Zoe and an MG ZS EV and can confirm that they DO need servicing (I assume to keep the warranty going). I think it's only Tesla where servicing is not "required" from the manufacturer. In the UK we do however have an annual MOT (Ministry of Transport) test for cars over 3 years old and that test checks for tyres, breaks, suspension etc. Granted the servicing is virtually pointless as they do next to nothing vs ICE cars. Usually it's a check on the 12v battery and the pollen filters, so they could do away with them and just roll it into the MOT test. Not sure how it works in other countries? I know the USA it varies from state to state of what road safety test they have to do. Be interested to know how other countries work?

[@richloves46]

Imagine the quality of the second hand market? With thinking like that

[@taxus750]

Don't forget the blinker fluid, Audi drivers never check theirs

[@xerr0n]

@@taxus750 or the wiper brakes

[@brianwhitley1053]

@@taxus750 Wait! You have to check it?!?!

[@peterantonic6923]

Thank you John for yet another very entertaining video. It is truly amazing that these EV zealots are so devoid of common sense and reasoning ability. I think you might need to be a bit more blunt and to the point so they might understand. Thanks for brightening the day.😁👍🇦🇺

[@ThomasLee123]

THE ONLY REASON EV'S HAVE BECOME POPULAR ENOUGH TO FUND THE WEALTHIEST MAN ON THE PLANET IS THAT THEY ARE MORE LIKE OVER EXPENSIVE TOYS THAN PRACTICAL TOOLS OF INDUSTRY AND HUMANITY.

[@2.3_44XD--]

I have a Kona EV (if the government gives me the money they promised it will be about 28.500 euros) and I tell you it's a growing anti EV campaign that will end in people attacking EVs and EV owners, they already insult me on the road. You probably laugh but I think it's not fair to blame all evil of the world on EVs.

[@farken7467]

Just imagine all that money you can save by having a three Tesla family, not just the money saved, but the environment as well. It must be so good being a wealthy environmentalist kept busy by all that saving. Just one problem with that is the facts. The facts are such a nuisance and they suggest that your three Tesla's are much worse for the environment over the long term. Thanks again John for putting a bullseye on all these EV zealots. It's so easy to work out who the imbeciles are these days.

[@802Garage]

Teslas are not worse long term. There is no source that will agree with that. I'm not an EV nut, but that simply isn't factual.

[@rjblue42]

I shake my head when people throw opinions at engineers. Facts are SO inconvenient...

[@ianrichardson3228]

I shake my head almost every time someone claims to be an engineer, I don’t see much of what we learned 50 years ago being put into practice. 😮

[@ericdolby1622]

John is awesome at setting people right with straight pure facts. The EV community just doesn't want to hear it.

[@peeemm2032]

@@ianrichardson3228 so, have you driven a new car recently - they're much cheaper, more efficient and more reliable than they were 50 years ago. Have you watched TV recently? They're pretty different too... There's also this new thing called the internet, and also personal computers, tablets, and mobile telephones - you should give them a try, too.... You're trolling, right?

[@whatsay8406]

Lol, engineers don’t know everything. That’s a fact engineers tend to find inconvenient.

[@raywagner8016]

I shake my head every time an incompetent engineer walks into my office and can't figure out why a compressor requires a discharge regulator on a bubbler system. What I find more entertaining is when engineers let the words "carbon neutral" or "zero emissions" leak from their face like they've just invented perpetual motion. You're right. Facts are inconvenient.

[@briandelaney8122]

Hey John, I do enjoy your videos. And I'm an EV (and ICE) owner. There are a few points I'd like to make though. 1: As we transition to greener more renewable power sources (wind, solar etc) wouldn't that then mean that the EV efficiency calculation will improve, whereas the ICE cars will just continue with their 28% efficiancy? Actually, on the subject of efficiency. If you take into account the transmission of electricity to the EV battery, then surely you must take into account the transmission of fuel to the ICE car. Of which the entire infrastructure is massivly electrictly intensive. 2: I believe that the way sulfur is removed from fuels, at the refineries, is through the use of cobalt. Which is of course then burnt and is unable to be recycled as it (theoretically) can be in a battery. 3: As the price of EV's comes down then the fuel cost savings will also decrease. As an example, when my wife ( or do I have to say partner now? I can't keep up) bought our electric car (an MG ZS EV) it cost $45,000 which was about the same price as a similar speced Hyundau Tucson, Kia Spotage, etc. So we started saving fuel costs immediatly. I agree that buying a $100,000+ car then claiming that you are saving on fuel makes no sense. Unless you bought a $100,000 ICE car previously of course. I hate the nuts of both camps BTW. When purchasing an EV, you should be clear eyed and (as you say) know that you are not saving the planet in doing so, but perhaps (especially as far as air quality goes ) you are 'Making Australia Less Shit'.

[@subwayfacemelt4325]

Great comment, I believe those are excellent points. Thanks for making the point about the infrastructure related to getting petrol/diesel/LPG to the pump. I've never gone looking for numbers on that, I have way too many Hoonigan videos left to watch. Unfortunately, I think maybe the cruel reality about your points one and three, is that to replace crude oil products (energy, materials that yield enormous potential efficiencies like plastic, etc, etc) requires magnitude of electrification that amounts to about half of Earth being paved with "green" energy,. I'm not sure there is enough copper to do so, but it is just more environmental degradation, under economic systems that developed during slavery and a perceived infinite growth paradigm. You might find there are some old bloodlines that have benefitted from slavery, war, colonialism, CRUDE OIL, and now they're in "green" projects. Fingers crossed, there are so many cool things happening in the "green" spaces, and more will come, and maybe we'll hit a sweet spot technologically that also integrates with the "Heaven's Breath" of the biosphere. But so far as I can see at this point, decarbonisation=depopulation if we don't change value systems globally and simply consume less (current economics demands perpetual growth). Currently, most human activity ends up wasted on too much food and junk for ppz who don't need, while we are chewing up good ppz and resources to do so. Maybe you would be interested in looking at cars powered via induction doo-dads in the road? We could make EVs with minimal batteries (saves material, and the energy required to move material, and to move the end-user of resulting end-product). I've been "told" this is in the future. Stellar-Tossers, Still-a-Tosser, Still Ant Piss, I mean Stellantis...they had a demo of this a while back, and before finishing typing this sentence, I found an article about what it seems to have evolved into...search for " Stellantis matches fast charging efficiency on inductive charging road "... If I'm not bothering you, it's just you seem sound of mind, perhaps even curious and inquisitive...and I'm pretty wasted... Some organisation in S.Korea was doing a similar project in 2008, if I recall. I had the idea as a kid playing on AFX/slot car sets in the eighties, it later developed into something more considered, now Stillatoss is doing it, and there is a version of "slot cars" which I believe uses induction to power/motivate them. In my vision, the motors are in the wheels, a battery is what you carry if you're going off-network, there are several different platforms/chassis available which follow a "swappable/replaceable/upgradable" architecture at the heart of an [efficiency and equality]-oriented set of design standards, the vehicle "leans" into corners...the list goes on. It looks more like an Aptera than most things I've seen out there. Ah crap, another essay and I'm only 1% done. Thanks again.

[@barrywaters6336]

To comment on your statement no 1 Brian. He did! He was quite generous in fact. 2. Where is the plan to recycle Cobalt? I believe this is one of the points John made in previous videos and wouldbe welcomed by many. At this stage there are no solid plans to build infrastructure to deal with EV's at end of life. Battery replacement would possibly write the car off leading to even more scrap 3. How is the price of electricity going to fall due to the increase in sales of EV's????? Once the power companys have you they will sting you. Its happenng all across the globe right now.

[@andylaauk]

Renewables just don't provide the power, this won't improve, you can build more windmills but you still can't use them when there is no wind or too much wind. The other side effect is you ruin the countryside, you create more dangers for wildlife and for every windmill, you use a large amount of energy that the windmill will never make back, along with maintenance along with windmills not being recycleable.

[@andylaauk]

Renewables just don't provide the power, this won't improve, you can build more windmills but you still can't use them when there is no wind or too much wind. The other side effect is you ruin the countryside, you create more dangers for wildlife and for every windmill, you use a large amount of energy that the windmill will never make back, along with maintenance along with windmills not being recycleable.

[@bensonboys6609]

@@subwayfacemelt4325Thank you for responding respectfully especially when you disagree. Too often are these comment sections a breeding ground for animosity. Thank you!

[@barbaralewis4919]

John your right on on welding safety been welding 50 years and lit my bulb once from wet gloves while welding on a steel bulkhead in a rowboat after a thunderstorm I know my heart skipped many beats lucky I am still here thanks for you shows always watch T-Man from the states

[@Knowbody42]

If I were to get an electric car, I'd put a sticker on the back window that says "Coal powered car".

[@bloothedog4443]

Right! And not just one mine, four at least. Add Li, Co, Ni.

[@shaunbrookman1049]

Know a guy in QLD with a Model 3, numberplate “COAL”. He charges exclusively off the sun at his workplace, who have around 100Kw of generation on the roof. Has a good laugh when people give his crap about his plate 🤣

[@shaunbrookman1049]

C0A1 actually, but looks exactly like Coal with how the font is

[@ianrichardson3228]

@@shaunbrookman1049 If you’re not fast, you’re last!

[@leisuresuitlaz1710]

@Knowbody42 well coal is obviously currently the predominant method of producing electricity for all cities. So it's a part of life at the moment. So what would you suggest as an alternative? Would you suggest we go Nuclear or expand renewable solar or wind farms and implement a battery backup grid network on a larger scale like what the SA govt has implemented? Until then yeh our electricity predominantly comes from coal. But that's not going to stop people converting to EVs, it's the cost savings in using electricity vs petrol.

[@sahhull]

As a Brit. Ive been to the super heated sandpit that is Australia... Sure feels like the sun is around a 1/3 of a mile away. Its a shame those magical green solar panels are pretty much non recyclable at their end of life and also become heavy metal toxic waste. Wind turbine blades have a 10 year lifespan but many fail within 5 years. They all end up in landfill as they are non recyclable. No need to mention the batteries. Seems that everything green is fairly environmentally disastrous at the end of its short low output life.

[@grahamcampbell9261]

But it's good PR that the ignorant love and worship

[@briandelaney8122]

It's a good thing fuel is infinitely recyclable then isn't it? Oh no wait.....

[@russellclay9506]

Petrol good for the environment? I'm not too sure the massive refinery is good for the environment. End of life ? not much apart from the horse and cart is environmentally friendly.

[@jesus_built_my_hotrod]

​@@russellclay9506 pretty sure horses also fart methane and making carts means chopping down forests.

[@richloves46]

​@russellclay9506 where did they make a comparison to petrol? You're assuming they are making that argument when they are just stating that green energy is not exactly as green as many would believe. That is a binary proposition

[@camillosteuss]

I do love the brake cleaner, i have at least 6x0.75L cans of it at all time, but i do treat it as i would boiling lye... No skin contact, a gas mask style respirator with proper filters, a protective suit and so on... I use it mostly for weld prep... I grind the part, wire brush it, heat it up with a propane torch(moisture purge), blast it with brake cleaner, wipe it down, blast it again, wipe it down, again, again, and then it welding time... Not to mention the polishing down of a filler rod(obvious tig welder being obvious) with 800 grit sandpaper and wiping it down until the brake cleaner tissue is not getting smudges... But yeah, i first came into contact with it as an auto-mechatronics tech apprentice... I got it on my hands, thought about it, read the contents of the can, looked that shit up, used it as a weapon on insects(works amazingly, and if it doesnt kill outright, you can always light up the jet as its coming out of the can... fire kills all insects, even the fire ants, they just lie to make themselves look tough...) and never got it on my skin again... I tried to tell the guys at the shop not to take that shit lightly, as its a damn hazard if not treated with respect... I may overdo it with respect to safety handling of it, but its a nasty chemical compound that does harm to unprotected skin and likely the body if inhaled in vapor form(easy to do, as it evaporates almost instantly)... I generally use old two stroke mix for any regular cleaning of dirty parts and such, i only resort to BC when i need a nuclear solution... I treat petrol with respect too, as it too is nasty, but BC is just a punk older brother of petrol that while more simple is much stronger and subtle in its methods of fucking you up... I only use it for welding prep as it leaves no residue really, but i do use acetone aswell when i need to touch up already prepared parts... I dont really respect acetone that much, i dont even use gloves for it... I know its bad, but its a single compound of badness, where the BC is a multivitamin of badness and the petrol is just a fruit salad of badness, so yeah, i dont fear a bit of acetone, but those two, i dont want on my skin... Also, do not treat used motor oil lightly... I scrubbed the floor at the place i apprenticed, and my work suit got used oils from the spill on the knee section... To cut things short, 5 years later, i still dont have hair on my knees and my skin is generally tougher there... Its not that hair doesnt grow, it cant grow through the top layers of the skin... Its no real harm, but if i didnt love the guy who owns the place, i could have sued the place, and would likely win... I know, its my fault aswell, i should have at least changed the clothes, but who is to say that that would have helped prevent the long-term effects of exposure? Its highly debatable and contestable... Again, its no real health issue, just a minor chemical scarring essentially, but im just putting this out there as a warning to you young automotive enthusiasts and apprentices... If its a solvent stronger than dish soap or ethanol, use protection, if its oil and not a cooking oil, use protection, if it can work metal, use protection and above all else, be fucking attentive to your work, a mistake can cost you little or it could cost you a lot, whether in money, time or body parts...

[@dansanger5340]

I'm an EV nut, but I find you entertaining, so I watch anyway.

[@MegaWilderness]

Trust you're absorbing the facts

[@rctezluh42069]

let's make fun of gas cars

[@pamnuman1619]

@@rctezluh42069 . EVs produce over 5 years of CO2 emissions being manufactured. It takes 5 years or more for that ICE car to achieve the same carbon footprint depending on Km from being manufactured. Tyres produce CO when being used and manufactured. No child labor goes into making an ICE car. ICE cars win hands down.

[@gingernutpreacher]

​@@pamnuman1619source or did you just make "fact's up"?

[@stuartodell2828]

Yes just made up just such bs

[@tonyb3629]

The eco EVangelists are hugely entertaining with their comments. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will make them change their mind - they paid their sky-high EV prices and home charging kits, installed their expensive solar panels and battery backup (probablt taking out loans to do so), replaced their gas heating system with super expensive heat pumps or such like, and proudly survey the results, patting themselves on the back at their low running costs and massive monthly repayments (unless you're minted in the first place that is, which really helps!). It's like saying "I save so much money in running costs for my EV, and it only costs me twice as much to lease each month".

[@Grant82gc]

Ive been looking at container ship emissions and fuel consumption recently and its amazing how many cars worth of emissions they generate.. even cruiseliners use insane amounts of fuel..

[@grahamcampbell9261]

now add in that ev's weigh more, so the ship can carry less.

[@oldgit15]

It is yes. And around 90% of Australia’s petroleum arrives by ship.

[@ianrichardson3228]

“Cruiseliners” is a contradiction in terms.

[@ianrichardson3228]

@@grahamcampbell9261 They don’t need any more to self destruct.

[@ianrichardson3228]

@@oldgit15 While the country is full of wells, capped since the ‘60s

[@Isclachau]

30+ years experienced engineer 😂😂 and 70-90 % efficiency EV claim are my personal favourites. I guess Robert Llewelyn is commenting incognito again.😂

[@AutoExpertJC]

They generally don't know what they don't know.

[@lesliecarter4295]

Is that the Robert Llewelyn that fly’s all around the world to lecture people on reducing Carbon emissions? What a hypocrite!

[@johnfranchina84]

The “70%” EV efficiency is from on board storage to the wheel. Not from source (power station, transmission lines, charger, storage) to wheels. John is correct when you compare apples with apples

[@SafeTrucking]

@@AutoExpertJC There's quite a lot of that going around... From where I sit, I see a whole range of changes coming to what we regard as normal practice, and of course, I hear all the doomsayers saying...erm...doom. It's happened throughout history, of course. "Those bloody kids have been bringing all those new hard rocks from over the hill. Supposed to be able to cut mammoth hide, of all things! Don't they realise how much energy it takes to dig those things out and bash them together? And what about the amount of waste those things create, with all that knapping? As for throwing them away, they'l cut your foot open if you step on one. It just doesn't make sense. I'll stick with my trusty club, thanks very much, that new-fangled rubbish is nothing but trouble..." 😂

[@dansanger5340]

John's claims are relevant to the Australian grid, which is very different from the US grid. In particular, the Australian grid is way more dependent on coal. The US grid is about 40% natural gas, 20% nuclear, 20% coal, and 20% renewables (wind/solar/hydro). The Australian grid is about 60% coal, 35% renewables, and 5% natural gas. Coal is way more carbon intensive than natural gas.

[@reximus9420]

Mr Cadogan, a topic you may wish to do some investigative journalism into should you wish. The youtube algorithm gave me a UK car dude like yourself. He did a report that EV's that have been in an accident are becoming a problem. The high energy, high voltage stored in the batteries are beyond the skills of the typical smash repairer so there is a need to have specialist repairers. Insurance is insisting these damaged vehicles are stored at least 15 meters from any other vehicle or flammable material. So they need to be out in a paddock not in the shed. There is no trust in a battery pack that might of been subject to an impact so must be replaced. That cost is seeing any vehicle over 12 months old being written off, that's his claim, I have no proof. It wont take long for Australian insurance to follow that lead I would imagine. If you can shed anymore light on that it may make a decent episode for you

[@grahamcampbell9261]

Geoff Buys Cars

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Ah that was me! I hang out in the comments on Johns channel too as he’s one of my favourite KZbinrs. 😂

[@reximus9420]

@@GeoffBuysCars Brilliant, I'm glad you commented as this was a very interesting topic and not something that's current practice over here. With my late night youtube trolling I couldn't remember your channel.

[@grahamcampbell9261]

@@Simmo_AU A Ferrari costs more than a Mazda, so I think they have the weighting already set BUT not a lot of data so far, so I expect some further adjustments will happen

[@lesliecarter4295]

The followers of the Electric Viking aren’t the most intelligent! 😂😂😂

[@AutoExpertJC]

Perhaps they're only pretending.

[@gwilymselwood]

Yes they are. Viking evidences all his videos. Not anything that you ever see on this channel

[@lesliecarter4295]

@@gwilymselwood 🤡

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

I suspect the reason Electric Viking turned out like he did because he wore his viking helmet inside out when he was a kid.

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

Let's see. Climate myth. Worthless Teslas. Gloves are bullshit. Mmm great entertainment. Predictable demographic. And I enjoy the visit. But for cars it's back to Tom Baker. Sponsored but sensible.

[@Kaozau]

love your work @AutoExpertJC you crack me up with the sarcasm and the blunt straight to the point answers to the stupid questions that come through. Keep up the great content

[@LTVoyager]

I was taught a different definition of screw vs. bolt. A screw is used in a part that has its own threads or can have threads formed as the screw is inserted. A bolt requires a nut. Both bolts and screws can be fully threaded or partially threaded. Another distinction, but really the same, is that some will say that a bolt doesn’t have to be turned to be used, i.e., carriage bolts, whereas screws always have to be turned to be installed.

[@simonhusseyofficial]

Thanks John for this most entertaining video! Thank goodness, integrity, philosophical intelligence and factual evidence is still alive and well in this interesting world we inhabit. Production values are always first class! 👏👏👏🙏🏻

[@g8ymw]

Sulphur dioxide from coal fired power stations is mitigated by passing the boiler exausts through a stack loaded with limestone This converts the limestone into gypsum which is sold for making plasterboard for the building industry When the level of sulphur goes beyond a certain level, you swap onto a second stack. Empty and recharge the first stack, job done As for petrol and diesel, you are correct John. All done at the refinery

[@janjachymiak9013]

It’s absurd how all the EV “enthusiasts” completely ignore the price of the vehicle.

[@kimchristensen2175]

And also the opportunity cost: $20K @ 6% would generate $100 per month forever.

[@ianrichardson3228]

Yes, whilst totally ignoring the running costs and inconvenience of recharging. Those issues are now appearing in China, charging stations not connected to the grid, rapidly escalating cost of energy, overnight queues at charging stations. We thank them for saving the planet on our behalf.

[@leisuresuitlaz1710]

Well I was overdue to replace my 2007 ICE car I bought brand new. And I was also considering another new ICE car or an equivalent priced EV - Model Y. It was a no brainer to buy an EV in terms of the savings in running costs of an EV the reliability of a Tesla vs the ever increasing cost of fuel. I charge at home only and i'm saving 2/3 the cost of petrol. There's no BS annual servicing. My 2007 ICE car has only travelled 180,000km and with battery tech rapidly improving and able to last 1M+kms over 8yrs is more than I would expect to use.

[@janjachymiak9013]

@@kimchristensen2175 Absolutely

[@oldgit15]

It’s absurd how all anti-EV ‘insert pejorative here’ completely ignore the second hand market.

[@tigermcflash131]

John....you are just brilliant......respect from the UK! It's essential that somebody calls out the endless BS that we get thrown at us. Thank you for being that person....!

[@darrensamuels1511]

As a Boilermaker I can tell you that you wouldn’t be doing to much welding without gloves. 😂👨‍🏭

[@Spacegoat92]

15:55 Haha! Awesome!! You called out the guy who tried to criticize my comment on the last video! Love it!!

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

VW did a recent statement that says the gigantic BEV battery produced 20 tons of CO2 to make, and has to be driven 100k miles just to BREAK EVEN, then when the BEV battery is recycled, if it is, a very small amount of metals are recovered and ZERO Lithium IS RECOVERED. Lithium cannot be recovered from the ground-up "black-mass" as it is called. The gigantic amt. of electricity to run the furnaces to TRY and recover anything, further produces hundreds of tons of CO2. Therefor, the ICE vehicle in the end, produced LESS CO2. Look at the whole picture END to END.

[@playlistofthegods]

When you look at most 2nd hand EVs for sale. I haven’t seen one for sale with more than 100k on it. Not getting back to break even, then possibly getting another one?

[@baltasartranconywidemann5129]

Here in Central Europe, it is not just our old trucks that diffuse to Mania, Bania and Dovia, but also our stolen posh limos.

[@SteveEddy-od7fb]

Ha Ha Ha Ha 😅😅😅😅

[@skelejp9982]

EV Car manufacturers, cannot guaranty, that their cars are made without Cobalt mining Child labor. In Holland government subsidize EV car ownership, I consider that a major crime.

[@donnairn3419]

There are claims the BYD blade battery is cobalt free. Can aircraft manufactures guarantee there is no cobalt in jet engines? Can oil refiners guarantee they don't use cobalt? Child labour can take place in atrocious conditions so how do you propose to get rid of poverty and worker exploitation?

[@matthiaslastname9019]

According to the IMF (not usually known for being green twats mind you), fossil fuels are being subsidized to the tube of 7T$ (yes, seven fucking trillion Us dollars) per year globally, almost half of which for petroleum. What category of crime do you think this is?

[@gasgas2689]

Cultural? I'm from England and last year I found myself in Sydney at the end of a cruise. I've heard of the opera house, and there it is right next to the ship. I've never been to an opera so I sauntered up to a tourist booth and asked if there is an opera on, thinking I would have to pay several hundreds of $ to see one. No, I could go to Proper Culture for $35 if I sat at the back. Being a posh bloke I lashed out and bought the next most expensive tickets and saw Tosca. I tell you it was so wonderful I had tears running down my cheeks. So, fellow readers, there is some culture in Australia. And non-culture: peculiar omnibuses driven by pedal power with ten people peddling away furiously down the street playing very loud muzak and drinking Fosters till they fall out. Thanks for the MIG welding information - when I bought a welder I also bought some very thick leather gauntlets. Not only do they protect me, they are supremely comfortable, and . . . surprisingly cheap!

[@mrdbooks7285]

You did not even mention that EVs are Subsidised by all Taxpayers by all the Rebates the Govt. gives to EV buyers. Plus Taxpayer Subsidised Rego, Insurance etc. including the Cost of the Expanding Charging Network the the Govt. is installing through out each states, taxpayer funded btw. Plus the Cost of Fuel saving vs extra cost of EVs retail price takes about 200K to 300K kilometres to break even, how many years is that???

[@bryankirk3567]

I'm a mechanical engineer and CAT/L.R./motorcycle mechanic. I have to keep rewinding as I watch your vids. (to wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes.) Ta mate.

[@TheWheels1965]

Thank You, John we need people like you to inform the others who are just stupid, because its free I guess. cheers mate

[@TheBrewjo]

As far as coal goes, I remember sitting in the school library circa 2001 reading Newton (Science Magazine) and it had an article on liquid coal fuel. Very interesting history (and a side note, turns out Ze Germans developed a process for making butter from coal, reported to have a taste and texture exactly like it). Early 2000's looks like there was a push to bring back liquid coal fuel, they were able to refine the technology to the point it might have replaced fuel oil in commercial shipping and crushed coal in power generation (with retro-fitting to existing plants/engines). On top of that they could avoid adding extra hydrocarbons and extract around 60% of the pollutants (well, except CO2) from whatever grade of coal used.

[@Accuaro]

But.. EVs do have a 12v battery, or at least some derivative lead acid battery. Tesla has two 12v batteries and you even get a notification when it's low and needs to be replaced lol

[@AutoExpertJC]

Correct. They do.

[@stevegrahovac4414]

Wrong again. Sheesh this is getting embarrassing

[@bluesmoke8714]

They all rushed out to buy EVs , then winter hit and their asses were stranded, out of a heated garage , heat turned off still couldn't get 30 km out of a 500km range car. 🇨🇦

[@balazra]

One of my friends is an electrician and recently went EV. His solution was to build a house with a separate garage that has the car battery, a small house battery (he one day wants to use the car battery to run the house) and finally have solar on the roof of the house, garage and work house (where his business is run from.) In his words. I’m not having that battery shit near where I live. But it’s really useful for staying off grid. Edit: he said he’s an electrical engineer not a electrician.

[@sheepyracing2774]

There will always be a risk with batteries . But the fact he is using batteries to create a solution for his needs means the rewards of having battery technology far outweigh the risks of it . It would be nice if ICE people could agree on facts and benefits of batteries instead of dismissing them because it doesn’t suit them. It can’t be any more simpler than that…

[@fugawiaus]

@@sheepyracing2774he’s not replacing ice here, he’s backing his house power and powering his car while scared shitless the ev and the house batteries will will go bang. This is a tale of caution……

[@sheepyracing2774]

@@fugawiaus plenty of tesla wall batteries on 10’s of thousands of homes . Spreading fud about them seems easier for people 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@fugawiaus]

@@sheepyracing2774 plenty have ignited as well. The large Tesla battery farm in South Australia is a complete failure. Takes 4mths to charge and lasts 4mins. Currently being sued. Recent battery fire in the new Queensland battery farm. Battery farm in Victoria went up soon after installation. Lg recently recalled all their home batteries. But I’m almost sure yours will be fine. Is it inside? Hehe

[@thewholls7176]

Not related to the sponsor of this video John but I gotta tell you I got my olight swivel max pro in the mail. My only regret is I didn’t buy the bloody tripod for 30 bucks. This thing is solid. The moulding is perfect The plastic is really heavy duty you can feel it When you pull down on the stand. It has a really positive notchy detent which i really like It’s absolutely 110% well constructed Another point I notice on the back. The battery capacity is 10,400 mA hours so at the end of the day it will charge my iPhone 12 which is 2800 mA hours 3.7 times over You can spend 100 bucks on a battery bank that’s not a kick a spotlight as well cannot speak highly enough of the product Not to mention it will charge laptops and has the USB A and C outlets as a battery bank. It’s very good for that usage case alone and the torch is unbelievable.

[@AutoExpertJC]

I have all three Swivel models and the Pro Max is the most awesome one as a work light. I also agree that it's almost like a power bank with a free work light built in. As an economics proposition, that's hard to beat.

[@petejohnson1724]

Great video thank you and you have hit the problems of evs with a sledge hammer In the uk we have some more, currently there are not enough trained people to work on them Next we have vw saying there are only 9 places in the uk as a whole you can take your ev to for repair Cost of ev insurance is going up as recovery of these monsters has to be total lift and they must be stored for 72 hours before work on them and the storage facility must be a concrete box affair one vehicle only per box This with the fact that ev people do not see the damage the mines are doing through the world to get their colbolt etc and we still dont know how to get rid of them at the end of use I think this is all the work of a few who are making big bucks at the expense of the stupid John keep up the great work all the best from the uk

[@Pignapper123]

Oh dear, you was doing so well with insurance but you failed massively with the rest. If they must be stored in concrete blocks, why are they outside dealerships all over the world. Waiting 72 hours is rubbish, it's no different than have an ICE worked on, same day service and as for cobalt, that's been used for refining petrol and diesel for many many years

[@bloothedog4443]

Hi, Eric from the States. The first video I see of yours is this. I love it. Your sense of humour fills the gap between here and DU. New subscriber!

[@buncha5651]

Love my V6 turbo diesel vehicle. It has a spare wheel and doesn't need recharging from the Gold Coast to Sydney. Neither of which an EV has or can do. And fuel is still the cheapest part of owning a vehicle. 😊

[@jim9930]

50 years on the road: Tax, tag, title, insurance, maintenance, and of course the cost of the cars (some luxury, most 5 speed sticks) = $37,000us plus $38,000us in fuel. In Jan 2020, I bought a cuv for $10k used.... soooo, give it another 20K over the next decade. {spoiled my frugality on that one - arrrrgh} I think I can afford an EV ?!? ...or maybe some fools need to learn what point A to point B actually costs. retired since '97

[@buncha5651]

​@jim9930 You need to keep taking your medication, and then maybe you will make some sense.

[@buncha5651]

​@EnriqueThiele I've never kept a car for 10 years.

[@rowlandclark1015]

Man I love these videos. Basic honesty, with vocabulary we can all understand. Facts are checked.cheers John. 🔩🛠️

[@mikefuller8968]

Once again John, outrageously hilarious stuff from you. Keep on keeping on.

[@joshmoody9994]

You are absolutely awesome! These people who are ev fanatics are just completely nuts. They practice virtue signaling like an art form while ignoring math. Keep it up!

[@jimbo3207]

John apparently there is just one EV in the world that has made it to a million miles. It was Tesla model S but it has gone through 3 batteries and eight motors. I wonder if it's running and environmental costs were actually better than a reliable ICE vehicle.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Just like grandpappy's old axe...

[@phoenixgaming20]

sounds a bit like the tesla of theseus

[@sahhull]

You are forgetting the Tesla they shot into space.. That thing must be clocking up the miles.

[@ozzybloke4830]

Al Bundy's Dodge also clocked over a million miles......

[@bobgorman9481]

It's called " Triggers broom" , if your not from the UK, you may have to Google that one!

[@thubandra963]

I like it. I love it. I want some more of it! "Oil has produced our longevity, our prosperity and our personal freedom." Dr. Pat Moore.

[@josephhalwagy6435]

Loved every bit of your clip. Thanks John. More EV clips please

[@garypowell1540]

Dear Mr Viking Diesel fuel is notoriously difficult to ignite, unlike petroleum. It needs plenty of oxygen and burns with a cloud of thick black smoke so thick that it often makes the fire hard to even see. Denying the many and multiplying safety hazards of EVs is not doing anyone any favors, least of all EV owners and the entire EV industry. These problems should have been sorted out before even one of them came onto the market. When trains were first invented people accepted the particular risks involved because they could travel easier while doing so by horse had its own dangers, was fairly uncomfortable, very slow, and not particularly cheap either. There was a similar scenario with powered flight and many other new technologies including guns, and explosives, where the risks were clearly outweighed by the advantages. ICE cars have had over 130 years to iron out all of the safety issues, and have never been safer, more efficient, environmentally friendly, and relatively cheap to own, especially an old one that has been well looked after. If anywhere close to 25% of the people who experienced commercial powered flight for the first time, for example, vowed to never do so again and went back to traveling by ship to Australia, this would have at least sparked off some serious rethinking about the entire concept. We still have cars on the road built over 90 years ago that seem to be safer than modern EVs. Do you think that any of these EVs are going to exist outside of a museum or silly ideas in even 30 years' time never mind 90? Most of the EVs currently being built will be lucky to have escaped the crusher in no more than 15 years. Either, they will have become completely obsolete or EV technologies will not have improved anywhere close to as much as they will need to if this industry is going to survive even 3 more years. Not even taking into account that the replacement cost of the batteries will have to come down by at least 90% well before these cars get that old. I suppose when these old EVs can hardly make it to the local shops and back they could become an essential part of a future mobile crematorium industry. However, getting this done is not overly expensive as it is, although it would cut down the need for coffins. Soon these fast-multiplying problems are going to become folk law and when that happens the entire EV market will totally collapse worldwide. The cost of recalling these cars will alone cost countless billions. Insurance companies are now realising the massively extra costs of writing off virtually new cars and this is now being reflected in eye-watering rises in insurance premiums. Many people will be buying them up for almost bugger all and then deliberately burning them out simply to collect on the insurance, which will put up the cost of insuring them even more. They may even choose to place several of them close enough so they can claim on all of them at the same time? Ship owners may wish to try a similar scam if the ship itself is no longer paying its way? Soon enough it may be impossible to get them moved via ship at all as the cost of insurance could be more than the cars are even worth. Sticking one's head in the sand is not often a good idea but in this case, it is an act of 100% nailed-on suicide. You have far too much faith in the idiots that designed these death traps and you need to face the reality of the situation. It was done in a big rush because government handouts were on offer and legislation was promised, without the marketplace itself guiding EV development over a much longer period of time. This was a recipe for the utter disaster that it will undoubtedly turn out to be. Indeed it already is an utter disaster, not just for our car industries and their shareholders, which includes many people who have pensions, EV Suckers, sorry, Owners, but also for the environment itself. But far worse, the amount of treasure, human and natural resources that could have been spent doing something far more worthy and long-term to assist the poor and suffering of this world could have already saved many millions of lives, and provided for a much better future for many millions more. Perhaps you are not a religious person but I trust you have a conscience or some kind of natural human empathy. Are you so perfectly confident that these ever more depreciating incendiary devices are perfectly safe or safer than any of the alternatives? REALLY SURE? Have you considered that you may have already made yourself personally responsible for the death of even one human being, never mind several including children? When I finally depart this life I would very much prefer to know that I have never been responsible for such a thing, God or no God, judgment or no judgment. If anyone is paying you to promote these things then I most humbly suggest that whatever it is, it is not enough.

[@melainewhite6409]

You seemed to have missed that batteries are a less efficient storage medium than a fuel tank, the latter being a quite sweet 100%. You get less juice from batteries than you put in them, including a disappearance of charge over time. Don't drive an EV at all and ta-dah, all your energy charge goes away. Also, the have to replace an ICV's 12v battery comment gave me a huge laugh. Um, EV batteries, being batteries too, need replacement and cost way way way way way way way way way more.

[@brucemckenna7035]

The inconvenience of facts...and the beauty of sarcasm.

[@michaelchaplin6489]

Ah John, I was waiting for the muppet engineering brigade to start. They didn't disappoint. I feel sorry for you sometimes.

[@ngbsolo138]

Talking about being girt by sea. There are 5 key and very unique strategic advantages of Australia. 1. Island Nation, no shared borders. 2. Far away from the Eu and American theaters. 3. Massive energy and other resources of all types. 4. Massive agricultural land and massive capability to produce food. 5. An "educated" population with advanced capabilities and technologies. Is there another country as good as this? But, why then is Australia so f#ked up in so many ways i had to leave?

[@nigelliam153]

But the government killed our shipping industry. Most our fuel comes from Singapore. We rely on foreign ships to transport it. Ch1na is setting up bases in the Solomons and PNG under the guise of fishing fleets. Australia has about 7 days of fuel if rationed. If a major war breaks out we won't get access to the foreign tankers and it won't take much to blockade us.

[@stevemogan5384]

China has the highest users of EV's in the world, they also have the most coal power stations and are continuing to build them, is there a correlation, Hmmm.

[@xerr0n]

china likes to cheat a lot as well....

[@TheCostofAutism]

16:19: Most places around the world, the Model Y is the best selling car. However, the ones who actually lost the most is Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Volvo, Lexus and Maserati. With a starting price of under 48K in the USA, it's actually LESS expensive than most of the Lux brands it competes against. As an example the Mercedes GLC300 is only slightly smaller than the Model Y and has many of the same lux features. That car USED to sell for around $56K, but because of pressure from Tesla they dropped the price this year to just over 48K. Still a bit more expensive and no Federal Tax Credit, which drops the price of the Model Y to just under 41K. In China it's under $32K (USD), Europe it's under 45K (Euro) and Australia it's under $66K Australian. For those off you not familiar with Australian pricing, that comparable Mercedes GLC300 in Australia is almost $40K MORE! Sure you can get a RAV4 in Australia for 36-55K, but it's not really in the same class as a Tesla model Y. Sure you COULD say that a C300 in Australia is $20K more than a Camry, but it's not really comparing things in the same class. It's expected. For now Tesla competes in the Lux and Near Lux space. Within a couple of years they will also take over the space occupied by Toyota, Honda, Renault and others.

[@andoletube]

I refuse to stop sticking metal cutlery into a live toaster when the toast gets stuck. (no-gloves)

[@ianrichardson3228]

I gave up on incinerating my breckie-bread.

[@ralphthewrecker302]

I own a 2015 Kia Soul EV and it has almost 100,000 miles on it. It hd its battery pack replaced at only 60,000 miles. So my impact on the environment for this car has already doubled in its short lifespan. Now it is very easy to maintain, but TWO battery packs means this thing has already doubled its footprint on earth. Those batteries are NASTY inside and contain things very bad for the environment

[@MrIsmilealot]

Yep someTesla taxi's and limo's have clocked over 1.6 million kms but the batteries were changed at around the 350000km to 400000 km mark each time. Thats with 7 to 10 year old cars that are still going strong while driving a little bit more than 16000 km a year. The million mile batteries are the new one's ,2023 spec, And they didnt wait 100yrs to find out if they could do a lazy million miles.I guess they did something called research and testing , John I dig that you have comments mate If us nuff nuffs are to much you should check out Sandy Munro one of the most sought after automotive engineers going around.

[@anonymousfu]

Regarding the efficiency comparison, you can't consider cradle to grave analysis for the EV, then ignore it entirely for the ICE. I'm sure extraction, transportation, refining, etc for gasoline is hugely energy-intensive.

[@AutoExpertJC]

You know electricity isn't fuel, right? Coal and gas is the fuel for an EV, because that's where electricity comes from. Try to keep up.

[@anonymousfu]

@@AutoExpertJC yes, I know in some cases coal/gas make up some percentage of the fuel for elec generation. My point is that in your efficiency calculation for ICE you neglected to include the energy required to extract/process/deliver gasoline, which would add to the denominator, reducing ICE efficiency below the number you quoted. If you do cradle to grave for one, you have to do it for the other.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Some cases? Like, mostly...

[@matthewblack5656]

Prior to and also after my first stint being a full time towie, I worked as an arborist, keeping the power grid clear of vegetation. I spent most days in a medium rigid truck with the engine idling to power the EWP. The engine got turned off for 20 minutes at smoko and 30 minutes for lunch, unless it was bitch arse hot and we wanted aircon for our break. And in the deepest NSW Northern Rivers, it's bitch arse hot for minimum 8 months a year. From Byron Bay to Tweed Heads there's about a dozen 6 litre diesel engines idling 9 hours a day to stop the power network going down and/or starting a bushfire. I do wonder if those emissions are counted towards power generation or just transport.

[@markh.6687]

My 'Murican! electricity supplier is going to service trucks that have a variation of stop-start tech, so on a jobsite they start up to run the hydraulics/pneumatics on the truck on demand, rather than idle all the time, and shut down automatically after so many minutes if the call for power ends.

[@matthewblack5656]

@@markh.6687 they'd be starting and stopping every 20 seconds running a working EWP cutting trees mate. The hydraulic pole saw, the movement of the bucket. The trucks idle up and down as required.

[@stevencooper2339]

Perfect application for an EV. Does minimal kms & battery can run hydraulics

[@matthewblack5656]

@@stevencooper2339 incorrect. Elevating work platforms on truck mounted systems are already at maximum axle loading front and back because of the ballast or counter weights required for the machine to operate.

[@stevencooper2339]

@@matthewblack5656 couldn't the batteries be placed in the same position as the ballast/counterweights & therefore make the extra weight of batteries an asset rather than liability.

[@AussiePom]

There's a bloke in the UK who bought a Porsche EV and just a "check up" at the dealer cost 800 pounds. Heaven knows how much extra it would have cost if any work needed to be done. A girl at work wants to buy an EV Tesla to replace her fossil fuel Lexus. She said it would be much cheaper to own. I asked where she got the Lexus serviced and she said a local mechanic. I told her you do realise that only the dealer will be able to service the Tesla and you'll be charged dealer prices which are usually triple what a local mechanic charges. He can't service the Tesla as he doesn't have the expertise. She complained about the price of petrol saying she fuels with 98 RON. When I asked what does Toyota recommend she answered a lower grade of fuel but I only fill with 98 RON as it's the best. I told her if your car doesn't require 98 RON then you're wasting your hard earned money. She didn't agree with me.

[@antonroux6737]

would be good if you could also take a look at hybrids and PHEVs in relation to EVs and ICE cars

[@wreckclues]

True that! I'm driving a 300,000 mile Prius. Never thought I'd use the word Rugged and Prius in the same sentence...

[@andylaauk]

Umm, no.

[@fredbear-sf9st]

John, in the old BP Refinery in Brisbane it was possible to make 0ppm of sulphur in all fuels. SO2 could be non existent. and NOX can all be treated. 10ppm is the fuel standard in Australia. All sulphur was removed to a priller unit for palletising the sulphur. All of which was sold for the manufacture of pharmaceuticals, fertilisers, munitions and explosives. Clean energy plus all the positive byproducts including plastics. What more could yo want?

[@matthiaslastname9019]

Fine and dandy if NOx CAN all be treated, is just that in reality an average road vehicle emits about 7.5kg of the stuff a year which is acutely toxic above 100 parts per billion in air. So much for "science" and "facts" like the most toxic stuff in exhaust being CO2 …

[@colddiesel]

I have an EV which is used on short trips, totally urban, racks up high km, doing collections/deliveries 10 hours every day. Charged from 100% solar, plus a wall battery. It recoups the extra $20,000 purchase cost because of all these factors but it has to be accepted that EV's are not yet an economic proposition for most users. Prices have to come down, Batteries have to be better and power must be cheap. I reckon for most 'normal' users we are 4 to 7 years away from that situation at best.

[@yngve2062]

How on earth are we gonna get cheap electrical power with everyone including their aunties and uncles going electric?

[@dekoldrick]

@@yngve2062 The more the demand, the higher the price. Economics 101.

[@Xalta_Sailor]

And who pays the roads tax for you “high” km usage? Level up the paying field and watch EV sales drop faster than insurance coverage.

[@fatdaddy-viii-8672]

I only comment because I know you appreciate. 40+ years in welding and I loved the part about gloves and welding.

[@robinhodgson7629]

We have used Prius C hybrids for a number of years now, they drive between 200-400 kms each day and the battery packs have all to be replaced within two years. I asked our power provider if I wanted to charge fifteen EV's each day could I do it....they laughed and said it would take down the suburb power grid. Oh dear!

[@toveryonder1115]

there is no such thing as an EV owner, they are EV owers.

[@kenh-jt6jx]

Mr Cadogan, may I call you John, totally agree with you on the EV dystopia. I am now retired, formally an electrician/automation-control /robotics engineer. Oh I forgot. Also worked in our power plants here in Merica for six or seven years. I have said for many years that the electric dystopia does not add up, first and foremost, there is no amount of electricity that can satisfy these things provided by the grid. Second, as soon as the next great battery, technology comes out, everybody’s current EVs are worth zero dollars. Oh on a personal note, I would have to say if I lived in Australia near you, or or you lived in Merica near me in North Carolina, I have a feeling we would’ve met at least a time or 20 at the same strip joints (ballet). To admire the female form dancing at its finest.

[@Rapscallion2009]

Ooh. That's an interesting point. There has been a lot of regulation around vehicle fuel composition and emissions control. But that doesn't apply to a power station's fuel. Due to this - Could burning fuel in a power station to charge an EV create emissions burning it in an ICV wouldn't?

[@xerr0n]

Well, coal power plants also chug out radioactive particles found in the coal. So they are more radioactively polluting than a freaking nuclear power plant.

[@pdevonport7266]

Nappa is a natural, high-quality leather made from a full-grain hide with an uncorrected surface. Most Nappa comes from cows, although some tanners use infantile hides from calves, kid goats or lambs.

[@anth5189]

Yea, if you are lucky you will get maybe 5 years out of the EV batteries before you have to change them or buy another vehicle. That is with a normal charge 10 hours. Like stopping at the servo to fill your tank and leaving the next morning. If you "fast" charge a battery you damage it and shorten it's life. So maybe they will last three years. What it costs to buy a new battery pack plus installation would fuel an f-ing V8 for three years based on current artificially high fuel prices. So cheaper to run is total BS.

[@grahamcampbell9261]

Fast charge EVs die within a year. Rental companies in UK can't return them under warranty fast enough.

[@mathewrussell1533]

Fuck me your way off in every way but as you were

[@oldgit15]

And yet EVs come with a battery and drive chain warranty of 8-10 years, manufacturer dependant. It’s almost as though they know something you don’t.

[@grahamcampbell9261]

@@oldgit15 Parts availability is mandated for 10 years. After that - no parts to repair your motors, dash, batteries etc. Your local mechanic won't be able to fix those (Unlike an ICE). So you either pay unaffordable dealer rates or scrap the EV.

[@Apjooz]

In 2022 Australia saw 20 TWh growth in solar, 17 TWh growth in natural gas, 12 TWh growth in wind. Coal was down 22 TWh. The last time coal grew was in 2015. So now you know what powers your EeVee in Australia.

[@darrennorth7987]

If anyone has been to a new housing estate. Nearly all the homes have a single short driveway. However they have 3 or 4 cars out the front. Mum, dad and the older kids cars. How are you going to charge from home all at the same time?

[@xerr0n]

welp, with the current system? either very very slowly or .... you dont. the breakers (and the substations) cant handle it,. the solar installation must be very big, just like the battery storage. getting an EV to run truly green is very costly and not really scalable if even doable, which i doubt more and more each day passes

[@jwatson9732]

They don't. They want plebs off the road lol. Look at this ULEZ shit, no way is a brand new 4l V8 Range Rover more environmentally friendly than my 2005 Ford Mondeo engine X type, or a 850cc Reliant Robin. They just want less congestion for themselves when they drive around cities.

[@bordersw1239]

Would quite like a small EV for work use. Here’s my problem - currently using a tiny Citroen C1, averaging 55mpg. Total cost in 8 years. Purchase price £5.5K. 2 rear exhaust boxes. £100. Front brakes £35. Battery £40. Tyres £40-£70 per corner. Servicing £40 per year (myself). If it does need repair any garage can do it. I could sell it tomorrow for £3K. Need 160 mile range minimum (including U.K winter).

[@mcihs2]

Keep the C1, they are great, and the cheapest motoring I could find….

[@TheInvoice123]

I once ran my 98 Landcruiser from Wooramel to Canarvon on a 240v extension lead. (The ICE needed a 10m jumper lead from the caravan battery after the alternator failed). Can I claim the longest run on an extension lead ever? Was I hybrid or? (Cost me $11 for brushes sanded down to size and commutator turned in a battery drill to continue)

[@kylebeetham3679]

If you look at any EV advert on social media there is a stream of EV hate comments like ‘wadda bout the cobolt”, “ever heard of thermal runnaway”, “It’s powered by COAL” but there are no similar comments on the Ice car adverts. So who are the nuts? What losers are spending time hating a technology? If you don’t want an ev then don’t buy one.

[@j2simpso]

With some of these EV nuts don’t you just feel like pouring 5 tons of sand to cool then off? 😂

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

The thermal runaway of an exploding EV zealot is a sight to behold.

[@nicko6710]

@@TheKnobCalledTone. 70's Car explosion in Movies were too

[@markh.6687]

@EnriqueThiele You can extinguish a gasoline fire far, far faster and easier than an EV battery fire. So the drama of an all-day "surround and drown" is simply more newsworthy.

[@happyjoyjoy6976]

you fail to take into account the amount of ICE vehicles on our roads as to EV. stat manipulation as always from the EV cultists. @@markh.6687

[@barrywaters6336]

@EnriqueThiele Given the huge ratio of imbalance of ICE to EV out there I am horrified at your quoted figures. If correct this shows that EV's are far more likely to catch fire!

[@mjouwbuis]

I don't think people of different engineering backgrounds are ever going to agree on the definition of screws and bolts. My definition is that a screw has a pointy end and coarse thread (wood screw, drywall screw, self tapping screws) while a bolt has a cylindrical barrel and fine thread. In other definitions a bolt has a hex head while screws have other heads.

[@nigelliam153]

Switchmode power supplies are the bane of the power distribution industry. Switchmode power supplies can cause upto 60% losses due to harmonics in a distribution system. In the 90's the rapid introduction of pc's into office blocks led to neutral fires and the redesign of cable neutral sizes to compensate it. It would be interesting to see some EV chargers tested to see the form factor of the current they draw off the grid.

[@andyhobbs2812]

You keep these subjects very interesting, and l like your style. Argument's are great, especially when you're full of worthwhile and experienced knowledge in your backpack. Love it, and keep them coming!!! 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍👍👍🍀🍀🍀😎😎

[@markh.6687]

I'm sorry, Good Sir, but "Argument's" should read "Arguments". An apostrophe "s" indicates possession/ownership ("John's arguments"), rather than the plural form of something ("breasts", for example). 😁

[@andyhobbs2812]

@@markh.6687 😎😂👍👍🍀🍀🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@tomt215]

Sounds mostly like you're saying Australia should stop burning coal. Gasoline is marginally better maybe but that doesn't seem to be your main issue. Certainly not buying an ostentatious gas OR electricity guzzling status symbol is a valid problem. I would argue that there is a large section of the population that is quite happy with smaller, more affordable ICE and electric cars. One of the real problems is why the hell does a person who commutes by themselves to work say 10-30 miles away need a full Ford F150 freaking monster truck? They are never going to haul anything. Its just ridiculous and expensive for no good reason.

[@mikelastname]

not a lithium grounding braid, John? With come nickel to sweeten the conductivity and cobalt to make it more funner...

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

EV efficiency is BS, HERE IS WHY. Mains is AC, heat is produced and efficiency is lost as it is converted to DC to charge the battery. Then, more heat is produced and efficiency is further worsened as the DC of the battery is converted back to AC to run the motors. There is no such thing as an AC storage battery.

[@grantleyhughes]

Can we please take all the warning labels off everything and just let natural selection do it's job. For most of time, we've been going forward until recently. Except for religion of course. Believing in the unprovable.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Silently, I find myself nodding at the potential merit of this.

[@ColinCarFan]

I agree on the natural selection front. On holiday in Greece (not generally considered the most safety conscious country) I said to the apartment owner that the bare power cables protruding from the ceiling looked dangerous - his reply... "why would someone touch bare cables?" !

[@mcihs2]

EV’s and climate change are one of the NEW religions….others are available on application….

[@kadmow]

Coal So2 - partly reduced primarily; by either sending the high sulphur types to countries we don't care (we the corporate world in general), or if that isn't possible leave it in the ground, ie we don't burn it in places we don't want acid rain - then there is secondarily the sulphur (SO2) scrubber - to remove residual acid rain forming compounds from the exhaust before belching all over the remote countryside. One thing the petrochemical and coal industries are short of, isn't sulphur.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Interesting - about the mitigations. Hell is also all stocked up on sulphur, as I understand it.

[@Spacegoat92]

I always laugh my head off with your letter reading voice John hahaha.

[@alanhilder1883]

As someone living in the Upper Hunter, I can send you pictures of the exhaust pipes of an EV. As an electrician I usually try to work while not grounded, it lessens the chance of electric shock. ( don't work on electrical systems barefoot. )

[@jeremyashford2115]

One million miles. That’s a lot of time on the charger.

[@j2simpso]

And you thought those diesel trucks were rolling coal 😂

[@TimBray-mz9wx]

Very entertaining 👍but all so true. Ev owners have to justify their purchase!

[@stevemogan5384]

People tend to forget that EV's have been around since the late 19th Century, they never succeed back then due to the resources required to make them, and the need to build thousands of coal powered stations to run them. Coal being a resource that requires a big digger to get it out of the dirt, only to be burnt in a power station to generate electricity, or used in the steel making process, that's all you get from coal. They realized back then that oil was a better resource to use, oil can be distilled and you get countless products like turpentine, methylated spirits, fuel to run a combustion engine, and then you can use it to make stuff, like plastics, nylon, rayon, polyester and all those nice things that hipsters and city trendites love.

[@elixier33]

We have the resources to make them but it is just outright a waste.

[@stevemogan5384]

@@elixier33 And that's the problem with it all, as John mentioned in another vid, how only 10% of a Lithium-ion battery is recyclable, yet a Lead Acid battery is 99% recyclable. Lithium-ion Batteries have to go, they require to much energy to produce only to end up being a future environmental disaster, and when mining companies are now trying start deep sea mining of Lithium, because it is a rare resource I can only imagine the destructive impact that would have on sea life. A better battery needs to be developed, or all efforts should be made to develop cheap and efficient Hydrogen engines. Or maybe Salt batteries as an idea.

[@jaffamanchang]

My takeaway from the Auto expert is we cannot produce enough EV's for everyone and we cannot produce enough electricity anyway. The dangers of battery fires are so difficult to overcome that we just ignore it. JC for PM.

[@paulnewman9275]

Talking to a guy today whose house insurance states that no EV can be parked within 20 metres of his cottage! Not charging ,just parked ! Becoming common with house insurance to put restrictions on EV's !

[@edwardeggleston3612]

Sin away my son..... The disciples of the EV God think they can ride the plains with impunity. Harketh their voice for its loud but meaningless for they are nought but gits.

[@mikehogan9265]

Happily my 2 sons excelled at STEM at school and are both mechanical engineers.

[@krissteel4074]

Great, now John's pissed off the the Tretesla nostra famiglia Expect a stuffed fluffy animal head on your bed knob

[@AutoExpertJC]

I had a dream about exactly that last night. It was disturbing - but also stimulating.

[@krissteel4074]

@@AutoExpertJC Hopefully not the rainbow unicorn of Tesla quality control

[@jimgraham6722]

Brings a new dimension to a burnout. When it comes to burnouts those Taycans are really hot.

[@michelswerissen6544]

Tesla's make good boat anchors in eight years when they become worthless.

[@AutoExpertJC]

That's probably environmentally irresponsible.

[@hobo1704]

Yep, the throw away culture will ramp up with these shit boxes..

[@ichabodjones65]

wait till people work out these teslas are actually terrible cars. poor quality.. the resale will take huge hits.

[@Peye-pv4cb]

There is an EV battery recycling plant in Atlanta, obviously this won't recycle all the world's batteries, wonder what these evangelists will say when they realise that many batteries will be put in landfills, probably water off a ducks back

[@peejayem4700]

First model Tesla owners are looking at at ~300% return. Seems not too bad.