VW ID Buzz LWB driving REVIEW - suitable 7-seater EV for the family?

[@autogefuehl]

►Shop for merchandise: autogefuehl.shop/ ►Subscribe here: kzbin.info ►Also subscribe to our KZbin shorts channel: www.youtube.com/@thomasautogefuhl?sub_confirmation=1 ►Follow us on Facebook / Instagram / TikTok @autogefuehl ►Sustainability in the automotive industry documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaMsi=bCdeJZORRHNcVmV2 This is our in-depth review of the VW ID Buzz LWB. We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience. 00:00 ID Buzz LWB facts 02:51 Turning circle 03:16 Frunk? 03:40 RWD vs AWD 04:36 Battery kWh sizes 05:38 Interior front 08:23 Cockpit 10:48 Driver POV 12:00 Storage 13:51 Rear seats 15:48 3rd seating row 18:02 Loading area 23:27 Acceleration tests 27:25 City agility 28:46 Autobahn driving 31:10 Top speed driving 31:39 Parking tests 35:38 Multivan replacement? 37:44 Real-world range 39:10 Price #VW #VWIDBuzz Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.

[@EzekielOsawe-h3f]

Can you please help me with it 😢

[@toyota420xp]

What do you think about a white steering wheel? I think it is a terrible idea. Because even if your hands are clean, they will sweat, and it might stain the steering wheel.

[@Mancooo]

The door closing sound is very important, please keep it in your reviews.

[@toyotaprius79]

🤦‍♂️🙈 no wonder why German cars are hopelessly overweight

[@bricksbeersbeards9368]

@@toyotaprius79 own a Mazda MX-5 Miata, very light car, it has solid doors...just saying...Prius is 3100-3200 pounds or so, BMW 330 is 3600-3700...MX-5 is around 2200 - 1000 pounds less than a Prius...yet it has solid feeling doors, its more than the sound of the door, safety, sound and vibration dampening, etc.

[@RR-yb1nr]

5:44 He checked the door closing sound

[@Amaury-Philips]

He checked the sound of the doors

[@musasoyyo]

I gave thumbs up on this video right around qhen he was explaining why it door closing sounds do matter.

[@Republic3D]

I've now watched almost 40 minutes of an ID Buzz review, a car I can't afford and I don't need. But that just shows how good your reviews are!

[@autogefuehl]

highly appreciated !!

[@botswelemogotlane4082]

Leah is the life of this channel, please don't let her go. Love her calm demeanour and laugh. And yes please keep the door sound section - it's a quality indicator

[@autogefuehl]

thanks so much! we will !

[@borks30]

Apart from quality cars reviews, you look happy together. Good chemistry and consequently good energy.

[@OverlordActual]

I cannot wait to see this in the US. It will make my day the first time I spot one.

[@rogerjeck9281]

100% agree on the door closing. In the darker days before Autogefuehl I first fell in love with my 2001 bmw 750il for the door closing sound/feel and the buttery smooth v-12 . Keep up the door closing sound/feel please, it is one of the intro highlights....along with the leah acceleration meter!

[@autogefuehl]

cheers my friend !

[@UsaSzerelem]

High quality vehicle reviews. The persons reviewing are also presentable, professional and good communicators. Nicely done!

[@jeffs6090]

12:05 "You're already more than beautiful." No truer words have ever been spoken! She's always a delight in your videos, from her opinions to the infamous Leahmeter.

[@Sipu79]

i'm not sure if i can watch this if i'm not absolutely sure it's in 4k, full screen or full length, he didn't say.

[@jamespaul2587]

Good point, you may have to wait for a personal invitation to watch when 4K is ready 😊

[@yesloow]

and no "let's go!" !!! How are we supposed to continue??

[@bricksbeersbeards9368]

you're completely correct regarding door sound, first thing my wife noticed about our bmw...our old 2004 vw passat had it too...current MX-5 ND2 is good, heavy doors, family CX-50 is 'decent'....

[@malinsuceveanu6507]

Good to see you again, Thomas and Lea!

[@autogefuehl]

thanks m8 !

[@Derskimeister]

A precise and thoughful evaluation of the Buzz. I've already got my reservation for the AWD long wheelbase version. It will do just fine here in Idaho. Can't wait. Thanks.

[@Wrist-Smartwatch]

I love that you always say that the steering wheel and seats should be animal free ! Keep doing what you are doing I am following you for more then 6 years !! Very good job ! Super professional !!

[@autogefuehl]

So great to hear! Please keep supporting on this issue 🙏🙏

[@Wrist-Smartwatch]

@@autogefuehl I am vegan so everything for the animals !!

[@autogefuehl]

🙌🙌🙌

[@autogefuehl]

Data & facts: VW ID BUZZ LWB / GTX GTX front bumper, black air intakes and honeycomb design Redesigned daytime LED IQ.Light Matrix LED standard Exclusive Cherry Red color (uni) GTX only available in Europe length SWB 4,71 m 185“ LWB 4,96 m 195“ 25 cm or 10“ difference is indeed all wheelbase 19 cm longer door 19“ wheels, optional up to 21“ Extra price approx. 2.000 Euro LWB standard for Northern America Pro 286 hp 7,6 s SWB 7,9 s LWB GTX AWD standard (rear motor is stronger) 340 hp 0-100 km/h 6,1 s SWB 6,5 s LWB VMax 160 km/h 100 mph SWB 79 kWh battery (+2 kWh), AWD 1,8 t towing (800 kg more than RWD version) 185 kW charging peak, 10-80 % SoC in less than 30 min LWB 86 kWh battery, AWD 1,6 t towing (600 kg more than RWD version) 200 kW charging peak, 10-80 % SoC in less than 30 min Turning circles 11 m vs 11,80 cm (LWB) Pre-conditioning before charging stops possible, also manually Microfibre seats (NA AWD: leatherette) SWB seat setup: 2-3 or 2-2-2 Luggage volume up to 2nd row 1.120 l LWB seat setup: 2-3 or 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 (5 child seat ISOFIX max.) Luggage volume up to 2nd row 1.340 l Multiplex board optional to form even loading area Optional Head-up-Display New infotainment CPU and bigger 13“ (12.9“) screen instead 12“ Illuminated Touch Bar for climate unit ChatGPT integration Exit warner LWB: optional electrochrome roof SWB 61.000 Euro LWB 63.000 Euro

[@gjopa]

Thanks alot 🙏🙃

[@yesloow]

Great review...I have been waiting for these vehicles to arrive in the USA for 6 years now and am excited about their arrival. BTW, totally with you on the door closing sound. It's part of why when I first saw your videos, I thought...OK this guy gets the user experience. We have a Chevy Bolt EV, and when you close the hatch, it sounds like I am slamming a plastic lid on a plastic trash can. I always worry if I'm going to break the mechanism some day. These things matter, and also a solid door sound tells me the materials are solid. I have some solid materials that will help protect me from a side collision. So please keep giving us the door closing sounds!

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks for being with us!

[@AndersNyholm-c9f]

Staying with my Multivan T7, I really love the flexibility with rail-system for the seats.

[@tonnykeizer4732]

Door closing sound is very important to me! My father used to have a first generation Audi A8, the doors closed like a safe!

[@johnkdaugherty]

I’m with you on the door closing sound! It matters to the feel of a car.

[@ashvox]

12:04 Thomas reminding passenger princess Lea how much he apreciates her

[@martinferjancic]

i was lucky enough to be one of the first people to drive it on public road and i must say how impressed i was with the quality of drive. it really felt like driving on butter. it feels like driving small id.3, not a whole buss. smooth, but snappy, very obedient. it also looks cool af.

[@autogefuehl]

thanks for the feedback!

[@InStateofTrance1]

A good door closing sound is VERY important!! It separates the difference between well-made vehicles from the low quality vehicles. It's the little things that are important and most drivers don't notice.

[@astroplutonium]

Door sound check is probably the most important 1st impression quality test for cars. Great job again Thomas and i agree with you, Lea is a princess. No need for mirrors :)

[@autogefuehl]

way to go :)

[@Willbesurfing.]

17:18 Love when Thomas slips a little German into the mix.

[@martinottosson6583]

I would say the whole video is a slip of German :)

[@speedmaster5005]

Fantastic review as always guys. The door closing sound is an integral part of the review and tells the consumer so many things as you state. I recently had to put my VW Golf in for a minor repair and got a Toyota CHR as a courtesy car. A quick Autogefühl door closing test told me the car was of poor quality, this was backed up by scratchy plastics in the cabin.

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers!

[@speedsociety9177]

Thomas and Lea getting excited about a 8s 0-100 time is kinda cute ;)

[@anemeth9281]

Why? All cars should be under 3 secs? It is more than enough

[@exiledrabbit]

8 seconds is alright but any slower than that is slow imo

[@DeeTofa]

8 secs is slower than the average car on the road. Probably a little faster than an ICE van but nothing exciting.

[@exiledrabbit]

@@DeeTofa 8 seconds 0-100kph is not slower than average in Europe. It probably is in the USA though

[@toyota420xp]

@@exiledrabbit that’s about as fast as a Honda Civic which is pretty good for a van

[@fredericoamigo]

This is by far the coolest car VW makes at the moment. Awesome! Glad to see some software updates and improvements to the interior quality. Can’t wait for physical buttons on the steering wheel to return!

[@Helloworldhello663]

100% agree on the door closing sound. 😊

[@jfisher71]

I'm in the US, and mine is in transit to me. Thanks for this great review!

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[@JE2PO]

Totally agree, door open and shut sound is very nearly a deal breaker.

[@BenjaminVestergaard]

Even with the LWB, you're shorter than many estates/station wagons, so that wouldn't scare me away. It is a pity regarding the 2nd seat row being fixed though... could be nice to be able to remove them and/or turn them around (face to face) for a more limo-feeling for the passengers, or just eating together while camping. It also makes it sound like the rumoured "ID.Buzz California" is still far in the future. Multivan is still easier to customise. Otherwise I'm really in love with the Buzz, neat and compact, drives like a sedan and you still have more space than in an SUV.

[@אלִיהו-ז8ס]

12:03 Thomas to Lea : « You’re already more than Beautiful ! » So true !

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[@ethanadams9135]

I also wish it had round headlights

[@staticplus9778]

I agree..i would love to see this with round headlight version😊

[@kennyleung3467]

must looks cute

[@staticplus9778]

@@kennyleung3467 indeed😄

[@robp3431]

The view out while driving will be something I would need to see in person. The "double-pillar" may be something I can't "appreciate"

[@Republic3D]

The door closing feeling is very important. It's one of the things that separate European brands from the rest. It needs to feel heavy, tactile and precise, and the sound can not have any metal hollow ring to it. It needs to sound heavy and compact, like if it's stuffed with sound proofing material, which it probably is.

[@au-natruallish]

Thanks for this review!!! So in depth!!

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[@649649649134]

I am truly impressed by the room in the 2&3 rows and the ingress and egress of the third row

[@BassDawStew]

Was that some Dire Straights being sung there? A little Mark Knopfler in the middle of a car review! Vielen Dank für's tolle Video!

[@autogefuehl]

you re welcome :)

[@vasm1807]

I would LOVE to own that thing!!! I would totally go full retro with that yellow as well

[@peterburdett8131]

Can’t wait until ID Buzz comes to Oz. Would love the original look wheels sold in the US

[@BeachPleased]

Van style Center Console are OP and instead of huge center arm rest... this Buzz Arm rest makes more sense

[@justozambrana820]

I also like the comments about doors sound.

[@WaseemAkram-rj1ky]

I'm watching your review from 🇮🇳 where VW remotely not even think of introducing this model considering Indian Auto Industry and customer aspirations and TAX regulations. But I quite enjoyed watching your content. Keep up

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best greetings !!

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[@PaulMeier-cu3ds]

A fascinating review, thank you. This Buzz shows VW at its current best. The design and engineering is wonderful with numerous practical design touches. It has been compromised by parts of the UI/UX which still depend on capacitive buttons and Cariad’s failed auto software. Maybe VW’s recent investment in Rivian will sort out the software but presumably with a long lead time - say 2027. But though I do not want to drive one of these things, I really applaud the thought that has gone into practicality and design. Greater than €60k? Maybe not.

[@Guinnessisgoodforyou]

Mein gott you earned your wages reviewing this one Thomas, especially moving the rear seats😂 nice to hear you are in Hanover the home of the Scorpions🤘🤘🤘

[@autogefuehl]

cheers my friend!

[@gene978]

Trivia. The FORD / Mercury Products of the mid 70’s door closing sounds are so satisfying. Example 1975 Mercury Marquis sedan. Compared to a GM 4dr Sedan not so satisfying of a door closing sound. I had a ‘73 Fleetwood and a ‘75 Marquis 4 dr. The ford Products doors were so balanced and easy to close with a nice closing sound. Ok Rant over lol😅

[@brankojerbic6040]

Excellent review, thank you. We really like the design of the Id Buzz and some great colours. All the other electric cars are just boring in comparison. This looks like fun and quite special because of the Kombi heritage. Other electric car manufacturers do not have any heritage as 20 + years ago they either did not exist or were cheap junk. We have a T6.1 Multivan in Lwb which is so practical. The Id Buzz will make an excellent addition 👌

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[@Zereniti77]

Is the short wheelbase version still missing the openable rear windows and air vents? Those are probably the main reasons I'm thinking of the LWB over SWB...

[@wktuba9676]

Extra power from AWD will help if you regularly haul a full load of people and stuff, weight adds up quickly in a big vehicle like this (I own a 2002 Chevy Suburban with a 5.3L V8 and can feel the difference with 7 people and all our stuff on a road trip).

[@lordwafflesthegreat]

6:25 using subtitles, the word reliability is misspelled. Such a funny detail, even funnier if it's actually unintended.

[@bucabrandon]

Thomas I’d love to see a review of your own car!

[@autogefuehl]

we are planning that atm !

[@prothor]

The Lea-part is great 😁

[@Sinecure11]

What does Autogefühl mean? Great content as always. Been watching since you showed the flying spur.

[@MajorStupido]

Car-Feeling

[@terminalile3296]

It's German for "Feeling of cars"

[@Sinecure11]

​@@terminalile3296thanks.

[@toughkix]

„Car feeling“ Auto --> car Gefühl --> feeling But its not a real word you would find in a dictionary

[@chrispenn715]

Interesting and comprehensive review thanks. The only VW I would consider buying at the moment :-)

[@espenliebak6875]

VERY VERY smart instrument cluster when u adjust the steering height. 10+ for u there vw :)

[@Mariussteinmo]

Very agreeable and thorough review 👌

[@danscar5277]

Door closing sounds is a quality built sound.

[@EzekielOsawe-h3f]

I have been in that car before it was so cool i also feel the weight and could seat much higher than other suv ❤

[@mollycypher4707]

Great Review! I cannot wait until it comes to Canada, currently driving Subaru Soltera.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏

[@autogefuehl]

Oh doesn’t the Solterra suffer in cold climate ?

[@alexdwebba]

love the LWB model ive ordered the standard swb one 2 months ago, estimated delivery is early November 🤞

[@autogefuehl]

enjoy !

[@MarkusAJ]

Since you always have your stick handy, some Isofix measurements would be handy! Either the distance between the inner isofix points. (Or outer to outer.) In a car like my Enyaq it is impossible to sit between the child seats or fit a third one, as the isofix points are so close to each other.

[@per-akeskog7400]

At ~13:44 I think you missed one feauture of the removable center console? It looks like there is a storage compartment in the bottom of the unit? (I gues a sliding one) Would be odd if they didnt utalize the whole thing. Also, 100%with you on the door closing sound, thats really important. Great review, good job! 😊👍

[@autogefuehl]

yeah could be!

[@patrickchebos6041]

Yes, door closing sound is important.

[@ah_watt]

Wow! Nice 7 seaters. IMHO, this vehicle is good for the family for traveling. When traveling you have more time enjoying the trip, I believe no issue on waiting during recharging the EV. I'm not sure why the front wind screen requires the big pillars on both sides, unless like previous older models, the pillars was there to accomodate the swivel type of mirrors that can be opened to allow fresh air coming inside the cabin without much wind drag. 😅

[@Fekillix]

Cool that they make the sliding door longer. I wish this would come in a LWB Cargo version.

[@johnnysmile01]

I love the iD Buzz 🤩

[@johntrussell7228]

It is wild to me that this car is STILL not for sale in the US. I feel like we've been hearing about it for a decade.

[@howlinhauler]

they are waiting for tesla chargers, better roll out if people can supercharge.

[@minibeefcake]

there's a waiting list at the dealership already. There's going to be a substantial dealer markup for a while whenever it becomes available in the US

[@Shaolinof36thChamber]

The markups are insane. I once witnessed at a Toyota stealership. 40.000 USD markup for a RAV4 🤡

[@luongv427]

Not an EV fan, but I would definitely buy this when it's in the US. I hope the US models have removable 2nd row.

[@staticplus9778]

I think this is the one of the best looking ev in my opinion if not the best🤩👍

[@mayormsuthu1465]

It's a smaller van than others but they way they used space is incredible it looks spacious enough.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

don't get fooled by the wide angle lens of the camera. you have to check with your own eyes.

[@josefv-y8m]

Agree, this is the advantage of pure EV Platform...more inner space. The short Version is only 4.70m...shorter than a Passat B8 with 4,78m...but has deeper cargo space than a VW Multivan on ICE Platform with 4.97m...the engine in the front costs a lot of space inside.

[@arthurs7882]

I think our headrests are designed in a way that when they're down they have minimal blockage of rear view

[@Hybridog]

The middle row seats in my 2017 Odyssey are removable and they are really heavy. I understand they have to be sturdy for durability and crash performance, but they will kill your back if you aren't careful. Would like to see car companies offer a light weight seat option for a premium. I'll pay $1000 for seats that don't weight 70 lbs.

[@R56Cooper]

Very much looking forward to seeing these arrive in North America🎉 hopefully there is a model that gets 300+miles

[@danielstefanovic2604]

well he said in the video the biggest battery they can fit is the 86kwh, there simply isnt room for more.

[@R56Cooper]

@danielstefanovic2604 ah, wish they at least put a 95+kw battery for that size of vehicle...

[@Saddex]

​@@R56CooperThat might happen within 5 years. Stellantis at least could fit 98 kwh on an ID 4-sized crossover.

[@ptn2452]

When VW puts the new Tiguan’s steering wheel (with actual buttons), this will be a compelling package. Longer term, optimizing the infotainment for better user experience will make the car (almost) perfect.

[@HoraceKLai]

Quite a big car for European streets so I'd recommend mentioning the turning circle in your review and if they differ between the awd and rwd versions

[@autogefuehl]

was a huge part of the review, I did an extra part specifically showing the turning circle and talking and showing it again in the driving part plus an extra live parking demo

[@autogefuehl]

Data and facts comment plus video description also contain the exact figures of swb vs lwb turning circle!

[@ivohawk]

New song is born, "You're so far away from me" 😃

[@MOandersen]

Nice test! It would be great to know the specific options on the tested car. I am configuring one and am in doubt if I should choose the option for noise dampening windows, and here it is really relevant if the wind noise remarks are for a model with or without this.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏 defo need to pick that

[@SFzip]

solid sounding doors is a thing 👍

[@yokoreia]

Ok. I’ll wait for 2nd gen. Hope it’s reliable

[@matthewbaynham6286]

That issue with the middle row of seats not being able to be removed is a bit strange because when you think about induction, it should be possible to get electric power to that middle row of seats. The technology called induction is being tested for charging electric cars from under the road, but induction is also the same technology used in electric kettles that can unplug from their base, or electric toothbrushes. So induction technology has been around for a long time, it's cheap and surely it would be easy to connect the middle seat to a power source without have some complex cables that people have to plug in or unplug. As for the data, there are many ways of passing data without a cable.

[@autogefuehl]

Yeah i think so too

[@d.robertshaw]

Great review. Is that sunroof blackout or dimmed? I’d like to get that option but I’ll be sleeping in it when camping so worried too much light would come through.

[@WayApp]

Unveiling the VW ID Buzz LWB - shaping the future of family vehicles!

[@RonaldDaviesRon]

I live in the US. I got my name on a waiting list 3 years ago and got a call about a month ago wanting to know what color I wanted. Supposedly they are making them in Germany and bringing over a round in November. Specs weren’t totally defined. But they thought it was a 91 kWh battery.

[@hansblafoo]

86 kWh is the net capacity of the battery, 91 kWh the full (but not usable) capacity.

[@hojushigolsaneunsaram]

0:48 haha putting taiwanese flag for chinese language. Such a flex

[@lovice]

What Taiwanese flag? Is there such a thing? That is the flag of Republic of China. People live in the Republic of China speak Chinese. What's so "flex" about that?

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Not sure what you mean, the viewers of our Chinese language KZbin channel are almost all from Taiwan what you can very well see in analytics. One reason is ofc that KZbin is blocked in mainland China. For mainland China, we do offer the locally known/famous social media platforms as well as a separate service.

[@Hybridog]

I want one, but not sure I can afford it. Plus I really want my next EV to have LFP batteries and longer range. Maybe Gen 2 will be for me.

[@Seven7ails]

Ahhh! This looks great

[@onthetrench4178]

Vielen Dank, dass Sie auf meine Kritik eingegangen sind und uns Zuschauer nicht mit „Du“ sonder mit „Euch“ ansprechen.

[@jamiep61]

I enjoyed watching the video 😊

[@BikingBadwithTC]

GTX’s front design is MUCH BETTER, too bad it’s not coming to U.S.

[@erik3018]

The US Department of Transportation argues, that a longer head restraint reduces the risk of whiplash injuries

[@autogefuehl]

interesting!

[@jazzjokesjalopies]

Looks really promising. I hope it does well with young families.

[@Cloxxki]

What %, of young families can afford this? They can afford less than young couples without kids. For the longest tine,these will not be available with a good second hand discount.

[@jazzjokesjalopies]

@@Cloxxki 32.7%

[@judacia]

I would love to drive this for rideshare, especially because Lyft and Uber want more EVs on the road.

[@joemartino6976]

Thomas, you mentioned how the ID Buzz might be useful to your brother and his family.. Any chance you were thinking about you and Lea for the same reasons? Thanks for an excellent review!

[@autogefuehl]

cheers! well we enjoyed the ride for sure and it is a likeable car, at this moment we dont need the space however.

[@ThePhryne]

I live in Korea. Hyundai and Kia are family. So they share a lot of parts. But ppl prefer to buy Kia. Cause of door closing feelings. Kia has more heavy sound than hyundai.

[@bobloblaw3191]

I just can't help but be disappointed by how this van ended up

[@kahafb]

What kind of things disappoint you about it?

[@bobloblaw3191]

@kahafb The inside of the concept looked amazing. Seats could be turned around to face eachother. There was a centre rail with what looked like a centre table. Seemed huge inside and the use of space was quirky. Now it just looks like any SUV inside. The same crossover/SUV issues too where the larger car isn't proportional to the increase of usable space. The seats don't lay flat enough to be a minivan/people carrier replacement. Not to mention that the concept had a steering wheel that retracts into the dashboard when not in use. Typical concept vs reality, unfortunately. Amazing ideas are used to get people hyped then completely ignored for the actual product. Underwhelming

[@gene978]

I think all passenger cars with rear seats should have tray tables. Place to eat/work/play, etc. Just Smart. Especially on people movers.

[@washingtonpereira1900]

About the doors, i thought you had worked as a chauffeur, that you had a fleet of cars, limousines, that sort of thing..

[@Markybug-Keira-Cody]

Great review! I have only saw a couple of these in Scotland, mainly vans ? Any chance of the odd classic car review every now and again ?😎

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks m8 !

[@thore8978]

Ohh willkommen in Hannover :D

[@Flickerbrain]

Very strange VW didn't make the second seat row removable. We're also a family of 5 but with our big dog. Currently in our T5 we have the bench seat near the back so we have lots of space for our dog to sit in the middle in his basket and we can keep an eye on him. But this is also useful for bikes, shopping, kinderwagen, bringing your grünschnitt to the local tip etc etc. Not being able to do that is rubbish.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Yep. I'll be sticking with a Pacifica with Stow "n Go seating. They all fold flat into the floor, perfect for cargo/furniture hauling or short camping trips. VW screwed up here. It's a damn minivan, people use them for utility.

[@iulian2548]

Airbag in the seats perhaps prevents that.