Legacy Automakers Struggle To Innovate- AAH 724

[@WIMPY.MCPOAT]

The best comedy on KZbin,you guys aren't fooling anyone.

[@dannyames5089]

Upon entering my Tesla, my phone automatically unlocks the car without any interaction, instantly applying my personal profile from up to 10 possible profiles. This feature adjusts the car to my specific preferences like vent direction, seat, and steering wheel positions, along with various software settings, compatible across different Tesla models. Immediately ready to drive, no fuss no muss no start button > just drive away your way in the upmost minimalist way.

[@jmbickham]

THIS, should be what ever automaker aspires to make their vehicles do without bugs. The all touchscreen, buttons, driver gauge cluster, etc. is perhaps something each automaker can debate and design as their own, but this seamless get in, car knows who you are/your preferences, and you drive away with minimal to no interaction should be the standard.

[@cadude145]

That touch screen is probably the most distracted driving invention of all time.

[@jmbickham]

@ Use voice commands. Turn on autopilot/FSD and then change music, etc. Don’t make mountains out of molehills.

[@mikedx2706]

The only US company designing in lower cost car construction is Tesla. The rest re still trying to lower their construction costs by beating up their parts suppliers, which has resulted in cheaply made parts whose production has been sent offshore in order to keep selling parts to the OEM vehicle makers.Carlos Tavares made his career by doing this was was being hailed as the industry's savior a couple of years ago. Now it has been exposed for the true dead end business philosophy that it was, and Tavares is out of a job.

[@waynerussell6401]

Tesla sends their engineers to the suppliers to show them how to lower their cost or innovate. If they can't do it, Tesla makes their own.

[@DericO-rz3be]

Don't fret... Elon is still a mega dick to the Tesla suppliers... Just not a one trick cost reduction pony

[@juliahello6673]

Yes, Tesla has thousands of suppliers and @DericO-rz3be has personally witnessed that Elon Musk goes to every one and acts like a dick because he doesn’t have anything better to do with his time.

[@dmere123ify]

On Tesla’s performance: They are the only non Chinese EV maker producing EVs in volumes that allow profitable production. Their technologies are still market leading. They have been battling high interest rates that affect the affordability of EVs more, due to higher upfront costs. EVs suffer from higher depreciation as the technology advances rapidly, and as mass production brings the costs down for new models. Just look at how far Tesla’s self driving has come in the last year before confidently saying they won’t get there.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Um.. only 1 Chinese company is making EVs in volume.

[@AlfarrisiMuammar]

​@@davidbeppler3032 You forgot about the 4 China state-owned companies .

[@AlfarrisiMuammar]

​​@@davidbeppler3032only BYD and Li Motor make profits in China Market.

[@komisiantikorupsikoruptord6257]

​@@davidbeppler3032You forgot about state-owned companies

[@andrewblackshaw10]

None of this matters once autonomous vehicles are here

[@mikec421]

They don’t know what they don’t know

[@Discoducky73]

The epitome of legacy Auto thinking😂

[@davedyer3654]

Here we go again, these peeps need to do their research, TESLA sales 1% down was only 19K vehicles and Model Y is likely world best seller again for 2024. and BTW China sales were UP this year. Have any if them driven a car FSD? I have!

[@bencrilly209]

Tesla FSD is 10 years ahead of legacy ..let that sink in

[@davidbeppler3032]

Tesla was 10 years ahead in 2018. Now Tesla is 16 years ahead. Legacy OEM are in the exact same place they were in 2019! They have not moved at all!

[@bencrilly209]

..FSD is a life saving technology..,.who cares about airbags and seat belts I want the car not to run over a pedestrian it’s big deal..preventing major injuries !!!

[@ycnexu]

It is also 10+ years behind the original promise... of Full Self Driving.

[@andrewblackshaw10]

The guy in the green has no idea

[@davidbeppler3032]

He peaked in 1970s.

[@MikesCarInfo]

Green-shirt guy has a problem for every solution.

[@12345682900]

It's called being pragmatic. Stipulating the status quo will often result in undesired consequences. The automotive business is cut-throat; once you lay down, you're ****ed.

[@BTC_Minarchist]

😂 accurate

[@edinetgrunhed6000]

😅

[@davedyer3654]

He is a muppet

[@mikec421]

It’s usually the opposite of what Tesla does.

[@cjonesplay1]

John. Please get your Son on one of these Panels. We need some New Blood or some old Sandy Monroe Blood.

[@iceblock-z41]

I recently hires a Mercedes while my Tesla was in the panel shop. It literally had a 100 buttons and 2 screens with dozens of icons, every function had a button which was in front me all the time. The person who delivered the car said something like 'I dont know how to use these buttons, just use these ones. Also it defaulted to 'stop start' mode every time it was started and I had to manually disable it each time. It was a horrible car. In my Tesla when you want a button you can bring it up on the screen. It is no harder than my iphone and of course there is voice command.

[@talldave7799]

I woke up when that Salad-Deprived dude said "Ai won't solve anything"!!

[@markgarnett3521]

Nothing funnier than listening to old guys tell us why we need physical controls for stuff that could easily be automated to do exactly what they want without lifting a finger. AC controlled is a good example; with the right sensors and logic it can control temperature, direction, heated seats, heated windows, heated steering wheel to give your perfect outcome (for any external weather conditions) without fiddling every drive. Yes may need a tiny bit of “machine learning” but very possible. My 2015 B-class has a good start it would turn on the above when unlocked and be heating in winter or cooling in summer. And btw, I am in that same category of old men but keep an open mind and that might explain why I was first amongst my friends to get twin-clutch gearbox and first amongst my friends to get an EV.

[@microsrfr]

Everyone under 45 is accustomed to interfacing with a touch screen. Buttons were on the Nokia mobile phone

[@chrisg8995]

Once again, a panel of 50 and over. Get some young people and perspectives on here!!!

[@markgarnett3521]

As an aging white man even I endorse this message!

[@NoName-zl6ft]

Your Tesla comments are going to age like milk

[@DesFleay]

Gees a bunch of of Dinos, talking fossils.

[@205rider8]

The moronic comment about autonomous car companies shutting down was due to the fact they bet on the wrong technology. HD maps and LiDAR is not cost effective or scalable.

[@NoName-zl6ft]

Only Jeff gets it

[@UncleRahn]

Never bet against Elon

[@matthewlewis6653]

Fascinating episode! Brilliant and really insightful guests this episode

[@andrewblackshaw10]

Sam has no idea what’s coming

[@cassidybb10]

Love Jeff. Seen him a couple times. Fun animated and knowledgeable with stories.

[@tesla_tap]

Sadly, you have the feeling that they echo the legacy mindset - keep complaining it can't be done, no one wants it, the old ways are best, and completely ignore the Chinese jugernaut. Putting your head in the sand is not a great way to run a company. Worse, ignoring the best selling vehicle in the world (Model Y) as something no one wants is truly mind-boggling!

[@205rider8]

John, suggest you have Sandy on with guys like this to educate them on the disruptive changes occurring with the transportation market.

[@KJSvitko]

Adapt, change or go bankrupt. Nokia and Kodak were once leaders in their industries but were slow to adapt to new technology. Legacy auto dealers are a nightmare for legacy auto makers. They gouged customers trying to buy electric vehicles. Legacy auto dealers abused their customers by adding market price adjustments to gouge their customers for EVs They added pricey add ons and other costs to pump up the prices and their profits. Tesla has the right idea. Buy online. No hassle. No sitting in a show room for hours. No salesman BS. No crazy markups. No I have to see my manager BS. With Tesla you can buy a vehicle in 5 minutes or less online. The dealers have no one to blame but themselves. The dealers are dragging the legacy auto makers down with them. The problem with legacy auto makers having slow sales leads back to the legacy auto dealers. They try to talk people out of buying and EV an want to put them in a gasoline car. Many people hate going to legacy car dealerships. Many people call them stealer ships for a reason. New car, used car or going in for repairs you always walk out feeling cheated. People have no sympathy for dealers.

[@wysiwyg1]

38:38 is this the guy behind the guidehouse research report on self driving ? 😂

[@JOEINTERSTATE]

yes, he is bias and has no clue what he is talking about.

[@mikec421]

Legacy mind set

[@unclezeppy]

A comment from my parts supplier neighbor (their parts end up in China-made Teslas). "Tesla has a production bottleneck since they have too few factories. Now they are working on the updated Model Y which is making things worse since the production lines will be updated. Tesla can easily adjust pricing to meet demand but the factories are already at the max capacity. My boss is happy though, Tesla is now expanding their Megapack and charger production, and we will supply parts, which will be big in China. We had plans for the Tesla Mexico but they are now on hold."

[@waynerussell6401]

Spare capacity at Texas and Berlin.

[@unclezeppy]

@@waynerussell6401 Spare space but no capacity because of lower pack and motor production. If they ever get the expansion going in Berlin then Tesla could even produce the Model 3 there.

[@babstude]

All of the cool tech and neat stuff to come. However it’s all moot. Tesla FSD will take over and just passenger comfort is the only part that matters.

[@vecamiolo]

Very enjoyable discussion.

[@dclpgh]

Knowing what folks want before they do is a skill few people have. Like him or not Elon is one of those people.

[@chrisheath2637]

Interesting conversation 10 years ago - now ? Autonomy has made it dinosaur talk...these talks about Legacy will be over in a year...they are gone...

[@babstude]

Gary called green shirt guy an FSD expert. LOL far from it. He completely dismisses Tesla’s FSD camera system as a thing. Umm, you’ve never watched any FSD 13 videos? Unbelievable.

[@hornprof46]

thats because Gary hates Tesla

[@jonhroarulstad5775]

Who adjusts the vents all the time? I adjust first time I get in, and again on the first day of winter, then it stays for as long as I have the car. Usually 10-20 years.

[@The01Director]

Just did a 12 hour drive with my brother, took 3 hour shifts driving, we shifted everything, vents chairs windows. Everyone is different, not a big deal. Muscle memory will kick in after the first few times.

[@tommihelich2613]

I adjust the vents all the time. I won’t buy a car that I have to go through a menu to change the vents or heater controls.

[@unclezeppy]

Tell me about it. I sold my 33 year old Peugeot 3 months ago and one of the potential buyers complained how he could not adjust the vent dial to blow to the windshield only. I told him that for the last 23 years it has been on fresh air setting all the time because its never been driven in winter.

[@mikec421]

I adjust the passenger vent to the driver side all the time but touch screen made it easier, before touch I just left them alone or struggled to reach them.

[@jonhroarulstad5775]

@@The01Director how many times a month do you have multiple drivers on the same trip in your car? I assume cars with digital vent adjusters have driver profiles if it’s a shared vehicle such as yours. I’m wondering if I’m the edge case that alternate driver some days or you with multiple drivers changing on the same drive. It sounds like you would be the ideal customer for digital adjustment.

[@irvinwright4075]

Interesting that you have one guy who knows what is going on and one who does not.

[@blakeanderson9479]

It blows me away how so many of these experts you get on are so ill informed and really do not have a real grasp on what’s happening in the industry. They are stuck in old ways and need to wake up. They just do not seem to want to face reality!

[@jayyocis8643]

you just described the OEM

[@babstude]

^^ yeah that. It’s as if it’s 10 yrs ago to listen to most of these after hours shows.

[@hornprof46]

Yes - Sam hates everything about Tesla

[@tommihelich2613]

Can you imagine being around Jeff Stout for an extended amount of time? He would completely wear me out just listening (and watching) him. He did have many good insights. Sam was good although his utter refusal to accept the possibility of Tesla’s ability to perfect FSD could be troubling. No one brought up the cost to the consumer to actually purchase FSD should it be perfected. Seems to me it would be substantially more than I would be willing to pay. And no one mentioned Toyota which so far has been correct in its assessment of the BEV market in the short term. That is, it will run out of steam and the world will be clamoring for more hybrids and PHEV’s in the short term. I was surprised when the whole panel started talking about the Ford Skunk Works in California coming up with a design for a (I guess) new BEV, without much of a preamble explanation. I did like Jeff’s prognostication how it would all turn out, even if it was successful. Saturn is a good example. And Gary bringing up Lockheed’s Skunk Works was off base. That operation had an unlimited Government budget that threw trainloads of money at it. Altogether a thought provoking show.

[@waynerussell6401]

In a mature market like Norway hybrids do not sell. Only one model in the top ten was a hybrid in 2024 and that the cheapest, Yaris at only 3,523 units.

[@tommihelich2613]

@ that’s because Norway heavily subsidizes BEV vehicles. Norway gives its citizens money to purchase BEV’S and provides lanes for them on the freeways.

[@markgarnett3521]

@@tommihelich2613for sure Norway have tax incentives (to buy EVs and not buy ICE) and even they still have EV deniers (new sales in high 90s percent but not 100%). But most of the world can see clearly that EVs are the better solution, USA is still in denial so will take the hybrid diversion but EU/UK had hybrids for 2 decades and whildd EV they are a clever way to slightly improve the mpg you are still buying gallons. Looks like USA will be last to get it so this is not good for the legacy Auto OEMs in the long term.

[@205rider8]

Clearly these Luddites other than (John) obviously should drive a Tesla with FSD 13.2.2.

[@d.wagnerRE]

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[@billh3860]

Don't forget people will choose things because it might be simply better than anything else on the market…

[@BryceLovesTech]

Funny my 2013. Tesla Model S can display the overall route on the main 17 inch screen and then on the drivers display I see a more detailed route. That’s why I love the model S more than the three or the Y.

[@barryrector6842]

Great show!!!

[@charlesrovira5707]

Sorry but for years *Big* (actually _Shrinking_ ) *Auto* has thought innovation meant the number of _cup holders_ they fit into the elbow rests. If it wasn't for *Tesla* and *China* there wouldn't be *any* innovation. Now with *FSD* coming within the year, *Tesla* will be left alone.

[@talldave7799]

This conversation reminds of why VW EV pricing is so stupid!!

[@davidbeppler3032]

Tesla suppliers are making a killing. Model Y is the best selling car in the world.

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

11:38 this is not true at all. It vastly improves the user experience.

[@davedyer3654]

That bloke arguing for buttons is a muppet, most important things in a Tesla can be done by voice command, he is a dinosaur.

[@KJSvitko]

The future is electric. They are just better. No noise, no emissions, less fuel costs and less maintenance costs.

[@markgarnett3521]

Notice how many golf Gary’s statements start with “but” he is so negative about the future of this industry (and still an EV denier)

[@horuscheng3476]

The cover reminds me of zeekr mix. It is selling in China

[@talldave7799]

I like the fact that Honda still has volume and Heat/AC buttons in their latest cars

[@jayyocis8643]

But the park/neutral/park dials/pull buttons/push buttons here and there: you have to look down/over up to make it work. A simple stick shift still works best.

[@markgarnett3521]

Ford has such a low chance of continued success it’s quite entertaining to watch.

[@nyinkercom]

Well, a human being is cameras only system... Just saying.

[@deragoth4250]

No humans have five main senses and certainly hearing and touch assist with driving. Now that I have switch my parking to vision only (it an older model with radar) I get more messages saying that parking assist is degraded due to environment

[@juliahello6673]

@deragoth4250 Teslas have hearing (for sirens) and all smart vehicles have touch sensors for road sensing.

[@joecushman6030]

Ford f150 has dropped to number three selling model from being number one for 46 years. Let that sink in.

[@veerod383]

Blinded by arrogance, pride, and greed, the legacy automotive industry has driven itself off a cliff. By moving production to China and chasing short-term profits, they willingly handed over trade secrets to the CCP. The Chinese learned, improved, and now offer more compelling and affordable products. The result? A reckoning for Western automakers. We’re witnessing the collapse or consolidation of once-dominant brands, forced to unite with former competitors just to fend off extinction. The German auto industry is no exception-facing its downfall as innovation and affordability shift East. They should face the inevitable: either let these brands go bankrupt and let Elon buy them and reform them, or start licensing Tesla technology to get a leg up. It’s clear that radical change is needed for survival.

[@juliahello6673]

Tesla doesn’t want outdated brands. The Chinese will buy them for the brand name.

[@veerod383]

@@juliahello6673 I agree but when push comes to shove, I believe Elon might strategically get involved to block or slow the Chinese wave coming to our shores. It isn’t always about the money for him. Let’s not forget that other American companies were sweethearts to the Chinese market-until they weren’t anymore.

[@magnusauto7941]

You guys talk about Tesla, but have you driven a Tesla? If you guys are going to discuss Tesla, have someone who has lived or at least driven it for a month. For an automotive channel, it makes you guys look...[pick the word]. When you need to access HVAC controls or any other controls through the screen, the driver should have the ADAS activated. If you adjust something more frequently, the it should be adjusted with the scroll wheels on the steering wheel.

[@waynerussell6401]

Most reviewers and this channel and its elderly 'experts', do not realize that in 21C all necessary controls are voice activated. No screen use in normal driving!

[@DericO-rz3be]

@@waynerussell6401 Negative... Only a short list of practical voice controls in the Tesla Model Y that I've had for years

[@erktrek]

@@waynerussell6401 try addressing the point rather than strawmanning - they are in fact experts with years of automotive experience and they happen to be correct - it IS distracting when trying to do those kinds of adjustments on the fly and not everyone feels comfortable using voice control. The counterpoint is modern ADAS systems should make such distractions safer as long as they are relatively quick and done when conditions are good. I have not found this to be a big issue with my '23 MY but I usually don't fiddle with the A/C beyond adjusting the temp which is right on the main screen and as easy to access as physical controls would be. It's much more distracting to adjust the vent position though.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@erktrek Yeah like the declarative statement that Tesla will not get to autonomy with vision! Realize that is an appallingly ignorant comment from the leader in Navigant that has for years placed Tesla off the chart away from every company remotely looking at autonomy who no longer exist! It was not a passing comment it was a political defensive positional imperative that sought to undermine the whole future direction of the biggest force in automotive tech. A company that the collective wisdom of the market has given a capital worth of half the entire auto business! And has proved Abuelsamid woefully unqualified to rate and sell $4000 reports on Tesla Autonomy! Is the 'expert' aware that the largest supplier of ADAS, Mobileye has dropped Lidar as has one of the leading Chinese companies Xpeng. "try addressing the point rather than strawmanning." Where is the Straw Man? I addressed directly the solution to 'danger' of using the screen and the OPs point of having guests with actual experience of what they talk about. Has any one there tried FSDv13?!

[@deragoth4250]

Increasing number of voice commands doesn’t always work if there isn’t a handy list in the manual or if the car just isn’t equipped to understand your accent

[@davidpearn5925]

I quickly became exhausted observing the electric chair performance of that sales guy.

[@ycnexu]

Really, properly interesting guest!

[@davemiller6121]

I am not a smart guy, but I am smart enough to know that Elon is smarter than you, whoever you are. Those who say they are smarter than Elion I always look at sideways.

[@12345682900]

No, no.... Elon is very bright, no question, but he's also very lucky. You think he's the only person in the world who can do what he's doing?

[@davemiller6121]

I am sure there are few people who may be capable of accomplishing some of what Elon has. If you actually stop and list the accomplishments and then stop to link them together to try and understand how and why they are connected, you will realize that no one has ever done what he is doing. In the fullness of time, his accomplishments will be judged. Don't judge the cake until it is fully baked.

[@jonathanslaughter8542]

Lol

[@microsrfr]

Autonomous cars do not have an A pillar sight problem!

[@Zvdnhjetyg]

This is like people who are have been building phones with keypads like blackberry bickering about how cool their tech and physical buttons are, when Apple just launched their iPhone and laughing at them for not having buttons. Every Tom, Dick and harry is now an expert in AI, Lidar and self driving technology. They predict the future as if they work on these problems and have tried solving these problems first hand using both approaches. We have too many arm chair philosophers with lack of self awareness on their level of expertise and reasoning process. Oh well it is a funny world we live in.

[@Tware8100]

The Celiac ELR was a good-looking car. I still gawk over them when I see them out and about.

[@205rider8]

Apparently these guys (other than John) have never driven a Tesla for any extended period of time.

[@mrjim1973]

Meet George Jetson, His boy, Elroy, Daughter Judy, Jane, his wife!

[@DuxDad1]

Serious mistake to underestimate Tesla's battery power business & yet to hit stride semi business. I own a Tesla and think Elon is CEO of Tesla's sales prevention division.

[@BTC_Minarchist]

🤦

[@Chipshot124]

YF is a difficult supplier to deal with.

[@thanatophoric]

Been driving a Tesla since 2015. Profile (seats, mirrors, temperature, etc.) was set once. No maintenance. no gas. No knobs. Instant acceleration. Ignore the Elon drama, Tesla is the only car that matters.

[@williamelkington5430]

Yes, John. Absolutely right. Measure new business process integration and couple it to compensation, and you have a fighting chance at changing the culture. Sam, I think you are directionally right about autonomy, but there are good reasons we don't have full autonomy in aviation (a much simpler and safer operating environment that in automotive), even after many decades of autonomy investments and implementations in aircraft: There are no "geo-fenced" or simple routes in aviation, because full autonomy is not mature enough--It isn't safe. Jeff, is there an analog of the 30-year-old you describe who farms out his car during the hours he doesn't use it in some other product/service market? Let's take Airbnb. Is that your analog? Do most people who invest in Airbnb properties also live in them? Are Airbnb's mostly responsible for their rental occupant's health and safety? Is there huge risk to a renter in an Airbnb to a crash and loss of life? Maybe that analogy does not hold. Liability is a big deal. Musk has no idea how to make the liability of what he wants to call FSD vehicles make sense with the financials. At the current state of the technology (and for the next few decades) there is no business case.

[@ThreeNoTrump_100]

I adjust my vents less than once a year!

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

17:35 this is precisely what Tesla is doing and has done with FSD and Autopilot. The hardware (computer and cameras) and software goes into every single car whether or not you buy the full package. Basic AP is free. And they do free trials of the full FSD stack. As it's gotten better and better, it's becoming a "won't buy another car without it" technology.

[@user-tj6xi5er6s]

The old dogs can”t mention “FSD’ or the voice command on the stering. For safety. their buttons and levers will be outlawed.

[@user-tx9zg5mz5p]

Chinese design and tech are decades ahead 😂

[@JOEINTERSTATE]

stop with the ripoff price compared to the terrible build quality.

[@tortoise62]

Around 1:02:00. The robotaxi will be capitalized by entrepreneurs - not the blue collar worker. Most won’t see buying a car for hire - they only see the job of cleaning it; or repairing it. These people will be the customers. They will pay $1.00 per mile because they can’t afford a car, insurance, fuel, maintenance, repairs. They have no garage. How these people scoff at Elon because he hasn’t solved the problem yet - while ignoring the progress - ignoring the concentration of talent - ignoring Nvidia’s CEO Jensen Huang, praising Elon for building 100,000 GPU AI in 19 days - demonstrates their complete lack of vision. Waymo execs admit Tesla’s data collection strategy is better, and with AI, it’s all about the data.

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

24:00 exactly...P2P screens are smoke and mirrors. So happy Tesla didn't give into this lame trend. They have a beautiful, massive, 100% USEFUL screen for both driver and passenger. They wow with first principles thinking, not smoke and mirrors.

[@tortoise62]

OMG the guy at 1:06:00 is so backward looking. Paraphrase: “the robotaxi demand will be low when you don’t need it” - 1. Many will buy solely to serve others 2. Poor people will stop buying cars when riding is cheaper. 3. old people or DUI drivers will use as they aren’t allowed to drive. 4. Uber can’t compete with driverless car on price. 5. households won’t need a second car. 6. car rentals will fade away as people only need transport.

[@tortoise62]

(16:33) hearing Bob Lutz…. the poster child of dinosaurs. The arrogance of legacy auto personified. I will never forget his dismissiveness of Tesla.

[@jmwSeattle]

Don’t you even know the roads are not as flat as pancakes and the the touch screen is jumping up and down and trying to touch a certain part is difficult and easy to miss? I have driven a 50 mile round trip on the freeway almost every week for five decades and it’s my observation is that very few people use cruise control unlike myself. Haven’t you heard of moving map? You talk like cars are traveling hundreds of miles an hour. You can’t average more than 20 mph in most cities. I remember hearing your fan boy interview of the some representative from the disgraced Stellantis outfit. The problem is the really good people go into aerospace. Good grief, who is going to fix all the dents and scratches. You guys haven’t even been to an auto body shop lately. While you’re at it talk to a detail shop. I can see FSD for boring commute trips.

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

See through A pillar?? That is some F35 shite 😂😂😂

[@tortoise62]

ok, legacy auto complaining about Tesla’s tech and calling it terrible - all while depending on government to protect them via 100% tariffs - is laughable. (13:00)

[@lithiumforce5945]

You don't have to worry about distractions if you aren't driving the car. Tesla engineered the touchscreen this way. Besides its not inconvenient its different.

[@tortoise62]

Around 28:00 while group discusses display tech - it struck me - why hasn’t legacy lobbied to end side mirrors? Whose fiefdom was at risk? Americans are arguable cut off from great, inexpensive transportation (china ev) because legacy lobbies for protection. I find that disgusting, and a great reason to never buy their products. Buy American? Start acting American and embrace competition.

[@Northern_Auto_Restoration]

Ah no way Tesla interface is way easier without knobs because you use voice to pull up anything

[@tortoise62]

Around 46:00 will legacy accept that BEV will eat their lunch? BEVs reduce oil consumption, which is a national security and trade deficit issue. You don’t have to be Greta Thunberg to understand that. 25 million BEVs on the road by 2030 can reduce oil imports by 25% - and America imports 40% of its annual oil consumption. That’s only 10% mix of all cars in America. The picture is much larger than buttons or stalks on cars, or range anxiety (fabricated by marketing). It’s a matter of cheaper fuel, meaning more discretionary spending for the economy. America should be buying up every battery China will sell. Recycling means these materials stay in country without mining.

[@ultrastoat3298]

Who invited Hal from Malcom in the Middle.

[@tortoise62]

At 56:00 GM cruise to make $50B - Mary Barra is a snake oil salesman. autonomous trucking? Aurora driving diesel trucks won’t compete with Tesla’s FSD on their C8 commercial trucks. They may be first to market, but the bottom line points to electric trucks - Tesla’s trucks. 80% of all trucking can be BEV. Arguing against FSD - these people are oblivious to know that Waymo even admitted Tesla is the autonomous leader.

[@edwarddejong8025]

The incumbent car companies have many geniuses on staff who could easily build breakthrough vehicles Unfortunately, the management is full of cowardly MBA nincompoops who only understand brand segmentation and will not allow an innovative product to disrupt their pipeline

[@tortoise62]

Only legacy auto would say something so dumb like balancing ICE and BEV. BEV is far better, cost of acquisition being the final roadblock - and China has broken that barrier. ICE is ignorant to think they won’t suffer while they transition to BEV. The more successful the BEV, the quicker the costs rise in ICE as economies of scale shrink. Pick up tracks for $80K? Mary Barra has learned it’s more profitable (for her, not shareholders) to waste money on marketing vs innovation. (i’m talking to you Will Farrell commercial)

[@talldave7799]

I was riding with a friend in his Tesla and it was a huge chore for him to turn on the heat and the User Interface sucked!

[@waynerussell6401]

One voice command!!

[@nguyep4]

Hugh chore? It is very straightforward if he has ever used it before. One botton on the screen will bring up the menu. If that is so challenging, then it is the user problem. Unless it is the friend first time or seldomly use feature, then learn of it first. That will happen with any new cars.

[@dannyames5089]

Say, "Activate heat" or "set temp to 75", or "increase fan speed", or even other things like, "activate dome lights".

[@joecushman6030]

Push the right scroll wheel and say make it warmer. This dude sounds like someone needs help him operate his phone as well.

[@peteregan3862]

Finally some sense on carhire - it will be professionally run, whether large or small. Very few people will want strangers farting and whatever in their private vehicle. Sidesticks are being developed to put human inputs into automated vehicles - hardwired in for safety and reliability. Elon's vision system is better than humans. That is the benchmark. So what if his vehicles have to slow right down in poor visibility conditions. Human drivers will have slowed down anyway

[@andrewvercillo7584]

Wanted to say Sam thinks he knows what he’s talking about with FSD! This guy, this guy, is gonna tell Elon he’s not gonna make FSD work!? Obviously he doesn’t own a Tesla. As a matter of free act he has less than 100 miles driving one. And I guarantee he hasn’t road tripped one with FSD since the launch of V13.2.2. I just did a 2000 miles driving road trip and didn’t touch the wheel. It’s amazing. It’s there and guess what there is no radar! No lidar. Sorry Sam.

[@stix2you]

So Tesla knows how to build the better car now, undeniably. Legacy auto knows how to build a car that will sell to the mass market, undeniably. That's where we stand. That's the disconnect we've been staring in the face for the past five years or so, since the 3 and the Y. Sam, the "guy in green," seems to hold an unpopular position for most of the comment section. 38:38 But if you are willing to listen to him instead of just insulting him, he's actually talking sense. Sam comes from the world of legacy auto, and understands the actual auto industry (which is not Tesla, sorry). You know, that place where VW sells 10M units a year, Toyota 8M a year, Honda 4M a year, GM Ford and Stellantis around 5M a year each.... and at the same time Tesla is struggling to maintain 1.7M per year at the moment, and seems to have a real problem breaking into the mainstream market. What's he's talking about is how to SELL cars at scale. Legacy auto undeniably holds the mainstream market. They know how to market, sell, distribute, service, and support a vehicle. They do it much much better than Tesla. Tesla undeniably makes the better product, but they are so "anti-legacy-auto," that they refuse to embrace some basic principles about how mass car sales actually work in this company. It's about making a product the mass market wants to buy. Not necessarily the product YOU PERSONALLY want to buy.

[@pierredussault9116]

Are you aware that the most sold car is the Tesla model Y? Are you aware that Tesla is almost the only ev manufacturer that make money selling ev? Are you aware that the ice car market is declining since 2016 and that ev is the future? Do you know what is the market cap for Tesla? Who cares about the traditiinal oew that know how to mass market ice car... This market is going away. You must be still using a blackberry or a nokia phone.... Are you aware that all oem are getting kick out of the chinesse market and understand why? Do you understand what a disruption in a market means? VW 35 000 layoff, Mercedes 19 000, Nissan 9 000 etc etc... Wake up it is 2025 my friend.

[@BCNeil]

Hope those interiors are vomit resistant.

[@12345682900]

They are indeed. All leathers and most broadcloth fabrics today are highly resilient to odors, stains, and bodily fluids. Also, any interior metals or alloys are corrosion resistant. Most infotainment centers, however, are not 100% waterproof, but studies show that grown adults, unlike infants & babies, are far less likely to expel "vomit" directly onto screen surfaces. In short, puke all you want without fear of recourse.

[@waynerussell6401]

Tesla has robotocized the CyberCab, including cleaning.

[@mikedx2706]

Sam seems to have his head screwed on right and places his emphasis on the human factors which make car interior useful and friendly. Jeff from YanFeng is a fast talking slickster from a country which produced Temu that is trying to convince us that his ideas/products are cheaper and better for us, regardless of what we think about his ideas and products. I would not buy anything from him.

[@erktrek]

I thought Jeff was great - very upbeat and definitely had marketing guy energy. You probably want to pay attention to his thoughts though as he likely has extensive knowledge of the Chinese market and where things are going with technology.

[@cadude145]

Tesla interior sucks and is dangerous.

[@kkarllwt]

China's pop. is less than 800 million and falling fast. Search relevant YT videos.

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

Google says 1.4 billion but u probably went down there and counted 😂😂😂

[@HatBilly2008]

Yeah, innovate build a good engine in transmission the hell with the cell phone parts

[@mikedx2706]

The discussion of fully autonomous, self driving cars has completely ignored the biggest drawback. A self-driving car will make its occupants easy targets for criminal activities. the criminal gang only needs t o=have one member stand in front of the car and on ember stand behind the car to make it shut down and remain stationary. They anthem hold the occupants of the car for ransom until their demands are meet for the customers' money, cell phones, clothing, personal property, or sexual favors. This has already happened to Waymo customers in San Francisco, but the mainstream media is not giving it any coverage. Police cannot respond to such incidents in time to protect the Waymo customers, nor can the operators of the Waymo taxis sitting in an office cubicle looking at a dozen computer screens while they try to prevent their assigned portion fleet of Waymo's taxis from making mistakes.

[@charlesrovira5707]

Except that the car will have cameras all over it and will be able to connect with the police instantly.

[@BTC_Minarchist]

In Biden's America, where criminals are not prosecuted, or in lawless countries, sure, I guess.

[@juliahello6673]

People do this for human driven cars already. Lots of videos of this. I guess it’s risky but humans are reluctant to mow down someone standing in the road, even if they’re about to be robbed.

[@deragoth4250]

So many Tesla fanboys here thinking fsd will be the end. As if all the competitors cannot change and evolved. As for me I would be satisfied if my Tesla could actually accurately understand the speed limit. Quite annoying that I am travelling 100km/hr on the freeway and it suddenly decides the speed limit is 40 and starts beeping. And also fix the phantom breaking issue

[@pierredussault9116]

I think that you have'nt drove a Tesla for a long time my friend....

[@deragoth4250]

@ I owned one since 2022. No other car so I think I know what I am talking about. That speed beeping issue - happened this week.

[@juliahello6673]

From what I’ve heard, v13 has fixed phantom braking. It used to be consistent with speed limits but it’s been wonky lately. I think they’re trying to make it adjust the speed like humans do. Ashok (the head of the FSD team) apologized and said they’re working on trying to find an optimal solution.