Automobilista 2 VR vs. Le Mans Ultimate - VR Update | BigScreen Beyond | My Impressions

[@metzVR]

Whilst i agree with your opinion that LMU currently offers the better driving experience, I strongly disagree that AMS2's FFB is Arcadey. FFB and Physics are two entirely different conversations and are often confused. If you aren't feeling exactly what you want to feel from your force feedback, then it's your ffb profile settings, period. Instead of trying other ffb profiles you've found, definitely try to build your own profile, strip back any wheelbase 'extras' and use the in-game ffb first, before adding in any external wheelbase software extras like intertia, damping etc. Physics on the other hand, I agree. Currently LMU offers a better driving experience, in fact, i'd go further and say no other sim offers the driving experience that LMU does. AMS2's physics, like you described, overdriving the car to produce quick lap times, with very little danger of losing the car are unrealistic, thankfully a major re-work has been undertaken and with the imminent release of the 1.6 update have largely been addressed. Currently, you can totally take the piss with overdriving, in 1.6, you'll quickly swap ends if you try to drive over the limit. Not saying they are LMU physics but they are massively improved. VR implementation, there really is no comparison, AMS2 is still the benchmark, far more polished and that was the title of your video, is ams2 VR better than LMU VR. performance is far superior in ams2 than LMU. At the end of the day, all of these opinions are entirely subjective. ask the same question regarding one sim versus another to 20 different people and you'll most likely get 20 different answers.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Thanks, that’s a really articulate clarification. Post the 1.6 update, I’ll have to invest some time in reevaluating - including taking your advice on profiles. My opinion is most definitely subjective and possibly (probably) skewed heavily by recency bias and euphoria. I had previously intended on investing the time to start from scratch, but that idea (project) has been gathering dust on my “to-do” list. Again, thanks - especially for taking the time to provide such comprehensive and constructive feedback 👍🏾. Edit - I just took a look and see you have a number of AMS2 videos. I’ll have to check them out and see/hear your experiences with it (subbed 🙌🏾).

[@mikecroshaw9233]

@@MAWvR3ALITY yep, I agree with Metz. Having driven 1.6 a fair bit, I have to say I find AMS2 more enjoyable to drive than LMU, although I'm sure LMU is more realistic. In terms of VR AMS2 is far superior, and even if they fix things like the low rez mirrors in LMU, it likely won't match it based on my RF2 experience. It will still be decent though I'm sure and I hope they get there before they go bankrupt.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

@@mikecroshaw9233 Thanks, I think “more enjoyable” is the most important thing. Like Metz says, ‘it’s subjective’. So, considering we all have finite time to invest in our hobbies - my opinion is somewhat irrelevant when it comes to people getting what they want or need, in return on the time they invest. But, if you all keep telling me how great 1.6 is - I might have to make a point of challenging my own opinion 😊.

[@eugenecia9424]

I agree with you but I find ams2 a bit more fun. In vr in steam I set the world scale to 120 which gives it more realistic, by default I drive in a porch but it looks like a Toyota aigo. 😅I play the game with the psvr2 at 90 hertz, with my 7900xtx everything on ultra low everything looks very good. But as soon as I set the graphic settings higher it doesn't run as smoothly anymore, there is still work to be done.

[@viktorianas]

@@MAWvR3ALITY As a huge RF2 FFB fan I found a FIX for AMS2 FFB, it's the only sim that requires almost max filtering in Logitech G Pro 11nm software, so it may be the case with other DD wheels, now its FFB on par or even better than RF2 for me. Stock car 2024 is the car to try for 1.6 tyres, much more punishing over the limit.

[@Racingfan101]

I like your comments about intuitiveness of driving experience. Totally agree. Was pushing my Sebring time and was struggling in GTE to go under 2:00. So addictive and setting laptimes 2:00.1 lap after lap and then finally get a 159.5 was such an amazing feeling. The whole journey and experience to get better times and improve. The feeling on the brakes, turn in speed and pushing the limits more and more feels so intuitive.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

A) congrats on the 01:59.5 - that’s an impressive time. B) I agree completely - that consistency in time, driving without thinking about what you’re doing, just becoming comfortable in your inputs and tuning in the muscle memory. So rewarding.

[@Md.AbuBakkar1764]

Really awesome,,, very nice.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Thank you 🙏🏾

[@simeracerhead3670]

Another great video MW 👏

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Thank you 🙏🏾

[@lincolnklayvr]

Good video 👍

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Thank you

[@RandyMagruder]

RaceRoom is still the superior experience in VR, in my opinion...with LMU coming in a close second. Until AMS2 figures out FFB and tire physics (1.6?), it's in 3rd.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

I confess, I’ve not tried RaceRoom for longer than 5 minutes. Out of interest, what sets RaceRoom apart for you?

[@RandyMagruder]

​@@MAWvR3ALITY It's weird. I ignored RaceRoom forever. Raced every other sim. Tried it once, didn't go back. And then the graphics update came out in September and I thought what the heck, let's try it again. Just night and day better. FEEL: it feels smooth and predictable when driving. I can push, I can hustle the car around, I can FEEL what the car is doing. I can apply every principle used in LMU, iRacing etc and get predictable and enjoyable responses. VR: WIth OpenComposite replacing SteamVR and maxing out my render resolution on Quest 3, I get very very smooth and crisp visuals in VR. The HUD Elements work great in VR (In LMU you the HUD is just an overlay of your monitor hud so you have to scale it so it works, and its mushy and ...not great.) Sound: LMU and RaceRoom are easily the best SOUNDING titles I've ever heard. Watch a replay in action cam on RaceRoom with the volume up. WHOA. NetCode. Net code is VERY VERY solid. Even racing with people in Europe, I never feel that the collisions are unfair or netcode induced. Yes, people can skip around if their pings are high, but it's very solid. So many tracks, so many cars. And by buying packs or (as I ultimately did) the premium pack, I got ALL the content. I actually met some guys driving LMU Co-Op races with the new update (which I did in VR), and it was great, but at the same time, so many issues with it, that I introduced the guys on my team to RaceRoom and they are now buying content for it and racing it with me. RaceRoom for me is the best kept secret in Sim Racing.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

@@RandyMagruder I need to stop reading comments, you’re all encouraging me to buy more content 🤣. Being serious, that was me - one attempt, meh - dropped it. I’ll have to add RR to my ever expanding list of “to do”. Thanks for the info 👍🏾

[@Bmvoien]

Alright you convinced me it’s next on my list.

[@carlosangalang]

Wow, I wasn't expecting your comparison result! Purely on VR visuals, I tip my cap to AMS2. But if combining VR and intuitive driving feel, then LMU takes the cake. Fun factor and ease of use is still with AMS2 as a complete package, but if LMU can polish the VR experience more e.g., HUD, menus, micro-stutters, etc. then LMU complete PKG will be better than AMS2. But the future of LMU looks to be up in the air and I don't know if I want to commit to it fully as my preferred sim

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

My result shocked me too 😏. I hadn’t driven AMS2 since playing with the FFB profiles and “loving it”. Man, I’m turning into a fickle, fickle, sim-racer 👀 I agree with everything you’ve said. The only part where I might already be lost is, I’m hooked on LMU right now 🤣. The withdrawals will be rough if S397 goes out of business and takes LMU with it.

[@carlosangalang]

@@MAWvR3ALITY I just completed my first online race in LMU, and I'm confident I can retire from... ACC! 😅 Ok, not that hard since I haven't played ACC for some time and I can't bear having to perpetually niggle with VR settings on my Quest 3 and 4090 PC to not make my eyes bleed. Plus LMU looks and feels superior to ACC, not to mention the broader car class options with hypercars and LMP2. High hopes that the GT3s get released for LMU

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

@@carlosangalang Haha - I hear you on that! 😂😂 LMU is out here making us all question our life choices lol

[@carsonpoland]

Both sims are outstanding in VR! LMU is my no1 along with AMS2. AMS2 is more polished in VR, has better cars spectrum but man! ...LMU physic and sounds is unmatched.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

And the craziest thing is, this isn’t S397’s official implementation of VR. You can definitely see where it needs polish, but some of the issues aren’t specific to VR. I really hope they get to finish the project and deliver the end result they had in mind.

[@delzimar]

great video, you tried the LMU for a long time before giving your opinion, and that is correct. More people should do this and not just play for a few minutes to compare. I completely agree with you, LMU is far superior in terms of its work

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Thanks for watching and commenting. You’re right about forming opinions too quickly. I’ve definitely been guilty of doing that and will possibly do it again at some point. If so, I’ll try to revisit and highlight where I might have been wrong.

[@irishpat64]

This is from a very”Amateur “ Sim racing VR user….I finally gave LMU a try after purchasing on day 1 of EA…and Although not perfect,I’m having an absolute blast in LMU and have not drove in ACC since the LMU latest update…I only hope The LMU team can stay together long enough to bring the GT3 cars into the sim.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Hey, I aspire to “Amateur Skm-Racing VR user” - welcome to the club, opinions are wholeheartedly welcomed and have just as much value. Glad to hear you’re having a blast too. Wharts and all, LMU is at least giving us all moments of enjoyment whilst it last.

[@silverfoxvr8541]

I want that headset so bad. Pretty happy with the quest 3, the lenses are just phenomenal, but it needs DisplayPort. The USB-C is holding it back....compression adds latency.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Do you think you’ll hold out until the next iteration of BSB is available? Or perhaps another small form factor from someone else?

[@RichAbe23]

I’m currently on AMS2 Beta and with its leaps in improvement regarding physics and ffb it still is far away from what LMU offers. Imagine having the best of both games.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

I definitely have to try out the AMS2 update next week. That would be nice, right. And - if we could also throw in iRacing Tempest - imagine how good that would be.

[@killianlobato27]

I don’t have a wheel and so play with an Xbox controller. RF2 allows you to configure the settings to get a good driving feeling. I tried AMS2 1.6, and nothing I did to the controller settings, the game physics just felt awful compared to RF2. It’s not even “arcady”…

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

I completely forgot rF2 had such good support for game controllers. I’ve been amazed at how people are able to lay down alien times with a controller in rF2.

[@killianlobato27]

@@MAWvR3ALITY alien times with a controller?! Wow, who?!! At my best I am 1.5s off the aliens, and that is in races. Quali I am a bit further off.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

@@killianlobato27 I know, right! It was in an rF2 Historic League I ran in last year. Like you - I live in the 1.5 seconds slower realm. Meanwhile, there's someone setting the leaderboard on fire with a controller 😂.

[@chrisc3825]

I really can't get along with AMS2 no matter how much I want to. The force feedback feels like I'm on a belt driven wheel despite being on a thousand dollar base.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

That’s a great description. Have you tried any of the FFB profiles? Not that it will change your last sentence much.

[@chrisc3825]

@@MAWvR3ALITY you know, I haven’t yet. I saw a thread of like 300 pages on maybe it was AMS’s forum with custom FFB files and it just sort of turned me off. I’ll probably revisit it once 1.6 comes out to see if I can make it feel better, but if I can’t in an hour or two, that will likely be the last time for me. Graphically, the engine is brilliant for VR, but for whatever reason, the FF just is so weird compared to most other sims. So 1.6 and one more try. Using a Simagic Alpha Ultimate for reference.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

@@chrisc3825 you don’t have to watch the video, just check the description to save you time trawling the 300 pages. I’ve linked to the video I watched that signposted which profiles to try. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4Laf62QgrWra5Ysi=q-klkcEmNv0jRIQD I think I also the names of the profiles I tried. When I get a chance I’ll check my notes, as it includes the forum page number the profiles are on.

[@Lakedistrictrider]

Feels a bit premature given AMS2 is on the cusp of a major update that will change the handling of the cars, but gives you an excuse to do another video I guess lol. Would be interested in how do you find the AI in LMU? Is it possible to do an online championship? Ta 👍

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Haha - I know, I’m so fickle right now 🤣. And thanks for the video idea, I’m 100% making a note of that 😊. I haven’t tried the AI yet, nor night settings - so I’ll have to look into those too. Thanks for the ideas.

[@Lakedistrictrider]

@@MAWvR3ALITY no worries, looking forward to the vids 😀

[@MightyMikeVR]

Much is good about LMU. But I think the lighting is wrong in LMU (everything is way too bright) and it is extremely performance demanding. I get worse performance in LMU with 72 Hz and 1.0 super sampling compared to AMS2 90 Hz and 1.5 super sampling.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Yep, there’s definitely something ‘not quite right’ with the visuals outside of the car in LMU. A flat or washed out feel. But then, I’ll watch footage back on a small screen, like phone or tablet, and it looks similar to IRL footage. Makes me start to think I’m imagining what it looks like full screen or when in VR. I hear you on the performance too. I’m hoping S397 gets the time to improve on that, significantly. I’ll have to check out your videos to see your results 👍🏾.

[@Racingfan101]

Only in full sun something is off but with some clouds LMU can look like real life and even AMS2 cannot compare. With BSB you can run post effect high, 75hz mode, 3560x3560 MSAA 4x. Only track graphics to medium to avoid micro stutter and all other can be ultra or high. Amazing

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

@@Racingfan101 Thanks, I'll check what I've got mine set to. I think I have track at medium and SteamVR at 150%. I'll also change the weather because, on my phone and tablet I've definitely had take my breath away moments - then wondered what I'm missing when looking at it in 4K.

[@G.Yam74]

Is the loading times better as in RF2? Rf2 is one of the best, maybe the best i know, but 3 minutes to load up a track can kill the fun.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

I'll have to time it to be completely objective, but they still aren't the greatest. Online it can seem like an age, but much of that is down to the splits being assigned to each server. Pretty-much similar to the length of time an LFM server takes to appear in ACC once the web-site says the session is up.

[@G.Yam74]

@@MAWvR3ALITY Thanks. Since I don't have much time anymore, I prefer to play single play. That means the AI ​​still has to be loaded and finding this coordination was difficult enough in RF2. I remember spending entire weekends modding, playing around with the options more than racing. If you try umpteen times to find a setup that works well, you keep reloading. Very unfortunate. The same problem also occurs in other simulations. But AMS2 e.g. loads the route within seconds, so you can quickly find your way into the race. Even Assetto Corsa with Content Patch can be the worst. It charges faster than RF2 but there are more options than the SpaceShuttle. OutOfTheBox seems to still win AMS2 for me. Even if physics and FF aren't as good as RF2. You play the game and not with the options.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

@@G.Yam74as a positive with LMU, there aren’t any mods - so setting up a single player offline race weekend is more similar to AMS2. I can’t remember if you said you’d tried LMU. If not - you could use the Steam 2-hour refund to see how quickly/slowly a race weekend loads - then refund.

[@G.Yam74]

@@MAWvR3ALITY thats true. I try it out . thx

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

I just timed it; 26 car grid, multi-class, offline race weekend. 63 seconds from hitting ‘Start Weekend’ to the practice session loading in being complete.

[@RandyMagruder]

My complaint about your KZbin is this. Your title is: "Is Automobilista 2 VR better than Le Mans Ultimate - VR Update". Except you really didn't limit yourself to VR. You made your AMS2 comparisons all about the physics/driving/feel...which has no connection to VR

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Fair complaint 👍🏾. It’s because, for me, the “VR experience” is the whole package - everything that makes the experience immersive. This isn’t a subliminal for you to watch the prior videos 😁 - promise, but it’s where I start the theme, that it’s how it immerses me with all senses. But, I take your point if you’re expecting feedback focussed on visuals, interface, and quality of life.

[@RandyMagruder]

@@MAWvR3ALITY yeah I mean don't get me wrong, I will not even load up AMS 2 anymore until 1.6 comes out and I can see if they've closed the gap. And that's a person who has had a love affair with AMS 2 in the past, particularly with the AI and VR Visuals. LMU's VR is promising, but there's just still a lot of work to be done.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

@@RandyMagruder best case scenario is that they all make improvements. AMS2 visuals blew me away at first sight. This coming from iRacing, ACC, AC, and rF2. I just always had a question about the feel. If they fix that 🎉

[@RandyMagruder]

@@MAWvR3ALITY Yup, I'm not at all certain AMS 2 1.6 will address the physics issues fully...but I'm VERY open.

[@Bmvoien]

Personally, I think it’s better to include as much info as you can. Just one little difference between two game titles can be the dealbreaker for many people. There’s far too many variables going on to intentionally leave out info.

[@EdisonArias]

I dont agree with your observation ffb in AMS2 to be honest, I respect it, but Arcade ffb, no, I dont think so.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate you disagreeing respectfully. 6 months ago, I probably would have said “less sophisticated”, rather than ‘arcade’. I’ll be the first to admit my opinion is subjective, probably biased by recent experiences and excitement. I’ll happily reassess over the coming months and eat my words if AMS2 updates.

[@PogMoThoin22]

You make custard with milk!!!

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

There’s an instant version that just requires boiling water.

[@silverfoxvr8541]

AMS2 v1.6 would like a word.

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

When I did my first versus comparison, people basically said “ahem - how did you not include AMS2?” I’m getting a sense of Deja Vu 👀. I guess I better update to 1.6 and revisit this topic soon 🤔

[@jimbochoo3316]

You are yonna get bored with limited amount of cars and tracks in LMU. I like ams2 for all the content. It has flaws but it is more fun than any game in VR

[@MAWvR3ALITY]

I'm less likely to get bored (too soon), just because I'm a creature of habit with limited time to race. So I prefer to race the same tracks as the official series, and to focus on improving my performances. But I can see how that wouldn't appeal to people not wanting that, especially if they spend a lot of time in the game and weren't buying the game to match the series, but wanted another game like rF2.