The Journey Has Only Just Begun
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@simonoregan4744
@simonoregan4744 Күн бұрын
Couldn't agree with you more. AMS2 is a big step backwards once you've raced any of the other sims. Even GT7 is superior. Sorry AMS2 fan boys. But before Id spent any time in other sims I thought AMS2 was great. Unfortunately there's no going back once the mind has been expanded. I have 7 other sims that do a better job and only 24 hrs. in a day
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY Күн бұрын
You’re right, it’s so hard not to compare once you’ve tasted an improved experience elsewhere.
@V-Racing
@V-Racing Күн бұрын
Btw how are you recording your vr view in LMU? Are you using the steam vr view or direct capture?
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY Күн бұрын
Currently I’m using the OpenVR plugin for Streamlabs OBS, for direct video device input.
@V-Racing
@V-Racing Күн бұрын
I've been meaning to get back to my 24h of le mans save, I'm currently in the 7th hour, so I'll try your settings and see how things go. I also agree with you when you said that LMU is "amazing", its a very underrated sim, it has the best physics and ffb and surprisingly the sounds are very solid, along with the promising VR whicb i greatly enjoy. Thanks for the video
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY Күн бұрын
Thanks for the comments and good luck with that 24hr of Le Mans. I need to break my obsession with the daily races and give Co-op and save game options and try.
@carlosangalang
@carlosangalang Күн бұрын
I'm also seeing micro stutters, or jitters or judders that don't appear to be related to frame drops. I'm seeing it on my Quest 3 at 72Hz, 80 and 90 and RTX4090. Don't know how to dial it out. But looks similar to frame timing issue that I've seen in AC but was corrected by a setting on Content Manager related to frame timing and interpolation
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY Күн бұрын
Thanks. Not good to hear that you’re experiencing it too - but reassuring that I’m perhaps not as paranoid as I thought 👍🏾
@2ndLastJedi
@2ndLastJedi 2 күн бұрын
Also there is no need to run the monitor resolution doesn't need to be at 4k, that should help your performance. I agree that both rF2 and LMU look amazing when compared to real life.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 2 күн бұрын
Thanks, I’ll try that again. I experimented reducing it however, I wasn’t sure if I was seeing reduced quality in my captured recordings. I’ll definitely look into it again though, as it could well have been that I’d imagined a degraded output.
@2ndLastJedi
@2ndLastJedi Күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY oh yeah i wasn't thinking about your recording. Probably best to go to 1080p or 1440p to save a bit of performance. I also don't think 8x MSAA is worth it, 4x is fine and then you could raise the resolution or other settings.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY Күн бұрын
@@2ndLastJedi Cheers. Previously I tried 1440, I’ll give it another go and compare the results. I’ll try the MSAA too 👍🏾
@eugenecia9424
@eugenecia9424 2 күн бұрын
What I also often use is to adjust the world scale in steam vr. Sometimes I find that vr reduces the image, it depends on the vr glasses. If I set it to 120 or 110, I have more the feeling of really seeing it in auto at true size.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 2 күн бұрын
Thanks. Any particular sim where you e found it works well? I tried it in ACC, but felt like I was sitting in an M8 😂. I’ll need to look into it again though, thanks for the reminder - as sitting in the Alpine in LMU felt a little claustrophobic.
@eugenecia9424
@eugenecia9424 Күн бұрын
​@MAWvR3ALITY It's in the settings per game, in steam vr. It's there for a reason, it works with all games. It gives me a bit more immersion.
@SimracingArnout
@SimracingArnout 5 күн бұрын
Great video, how did you record the actual VR footage? Can you share?
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 5 күн бұрын
Thank you. I’m using Streamlabs OBS. Instead of capturing the SteamVR mirror window, I used the OpenVR plugin for Streamlabs to take the “video device” feed from the HMD.
@SimracingArnout
@SimracingArnout 5 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY your welcome, alright thank you i will try that
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 5 күн бұрын
You’ll have to let me know how it goes 👍🏾
@V-Racing
@V-Racing 7 күн бұрын
i tried LMU VR 2 days ago after the update that was 2 days ago, and im pleasantly surprised! there is no more stutters when you open the UI during a race session. during a race i rarely get a stutter and that is pretty surprising, even compared to iRacing which i do get a stutter each race. so yeah its still not perfect, but its good enough that i never race in a single screen. even in a multiplayer race its still pretty darn good in a RTX 4080 system
@V-Racing
@V-Racing 7 күн бұрын
btw I'm running the medium preset setting
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 7 күн бұрын
Thanks, may I ask what headset you have?
@V-Racing
@V-Racing 7 күн бұрын
@MAWvR3ALITY I'm using the pico 4 via virtual desktop.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 7 күн бұрын
@@V-Racing Nice, thanks 👍🏾
@fingers68
@fingers68 7 күн бұрын
Settings - Lock to horizon and Head Physics. The SIM is working tip top after latest patch in VR on Nvidia gfx, AMD folks still have a few issues and should use the beta.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 7 күн бұрын
Thanks, I’ll take a look and see how I’ve set them (then apply the inverse settings) 👍🏾
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 7 күн бұрын
Not gonna lie though, I think one of the main reasons I'm satisfied is because I purchased at the right time. I kept a close eye on Bigscreen's blog where they talked about their supply issues, and the fact they would receive a new batch of parts some time in August 2024 and people who purchased before August would have to wait longer. So I made the purchase in September, knowing they would have more supplies. I still waited 2 or 3 weeks, but when they announced 1-week delivery, my headset was shipped the same day. That was an infinitely better experience than having to wait months or an entire year like the early adopters.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 7 күн бұрын
Definitely smart! I was one of those, early adopter orders that had to put it out of my mind to avoid impatience or frustration. How have you found life with the headset?
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 7 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY Been occasionally using it, mostly to display the virtual Steam overlay curved monitor. I purchased a 4K dummy HDMI plug to have a 4K virtual monitor (I didn't want to own an actual 4K monitor since they are too big for my liking). That's why I noticed some glare because some web pages (and videos) display white over black. I have yet to try using it for a VR game, but I believe it should be just as good if not better than the Vive Pro, without screen-door effect.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 7 күн бұрын
⁠Z nice, I really need to try it out in non-gaming scenarios.
@sickrick5948
@sickrick5948 7 күн бұрын
Run game on low No mrsa Full screen Always quit game and sream vr when you've altered anything Turn off vsync in game Nvidia has global 3d settings lock fps to 72fps in steam vr alter
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 7 күн бұрын
Thanks, I'll take a look at each of these and try them, compare them to what I currently have.
@jeroengoudeseune7209
@jeroengoudeseune7209 7 күн бұрын
There are a lot of tips and tricks about vr in the discord of LMU. Vr is still a work in progress atm.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 7 күн бұрын
@@jeroengoudeseune7209 Thanks, I’ve been reading through and trying to catch up.
@carlosangalang
@carlosangalang 8 күн бұрын
Not noticing stuttering except when fps drops below 90. Maybe im too busy tinkering with the appearance settings in openxr toolkit. Rtx 4090 quest 3 intel i9 12900kf
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the info. May I ask what graphics settings are you able to run and still get no stuttering?
@carlosangalang
@carlosangalang 8 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY default ultra. But dropped visible cars to 19. I am using opencomposite and CAS sharpening in openxr toolkit. Opencomposite seems more stable than steamvr in the Quest 3. I also sometimes use fixed foveated rendering when I notice some heavier frame drops
@2mcmalbgot366
@2mcmalbgot366 8 күн бұрын
Ryzen 7800X 3D. RTX 4080 Super Corsair Vengance 32GB@6000Hz, Samsung 900 PRO SSD, Bigscreen Beyond, currently experiencing stuttering while driving. Make sure motion smoothing is set to off in steam vr settings.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the information. I'll double-check what my motion smoothing is set too, I've a feeling it's off - but will double-check. We aren't too dissimillar in setups, you have more CPU (AMD Ryzen 9 5900X), whilst I have a tad more GPU (RTX 4090), a Samsung 990 Pro, 64GB but slower @3600. The main common denominator being the BSB.
@eugenecia9424
@eugenecia9424 8 күн бұрын
I have no stutters with my psvr2, I have 7900xtx, I always turn off all image enhancers and have had lock set to high. I turn everything off and set it to low, from there I build up with settings. And in the software of AMD drivers I also turned off everything except anti lag.Play at 120 hertz.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
Thanks, that’s really interesting to hear. Have you always had no lag, or is it that you’ve managed to eliminate it through those steps?
@eugenecia9424
@eugenecia9424 8 күн бұрын
@MAWvR3ALITY If I change my settings a little bit that, then I also get stutters, but every time you change settings, you have to restart everything including Steam. The sweet spot is very narrow with settings, changing 1 setting immediately causes stutters. By the way, I have the 78003d processor.
@simonoregan4744
@simonoregan4744 8 күн бұрын
Im so over tinkering PC sims for the moment. Ill wait till everything gets fixed. In fact Im so over it Ive been playing mostly GT7 on my PSVR2 lately. Since Simhub introduce support its totally change GT7 for me. Somtimes you just wanna sit down and race
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
Yep, it really can be exhausting at times. Hopefully you're getting your fill of satisfaction from GT7.
@virtualapex83
@virtualapex83 8 күн бұрын
Haven't tried the new update, but for now I haven't experienced stuttering outside of what you get during the long load screen. Also no issue with bumpy tracks in vr. I am using a Vario Aero which is a bit heavier than the Big Screen.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for the information - that's really helpful to know. Will be interesting to see if you're still stutter free post update.
@mahmudistiaq
@mahmudistiaq 8 күн бұрын
Hi, is it blurry at horizon? Is it closer to ams2 graphics wise? Are you using openxr?
@virtualapex83
@virtualapex83 8 күн бұрын
@mahmudistiaq I do use openxr which is implemented into the varjo base software. As far as the distant view its on par with what i get in ACC, but there is noticeably more detail visible on the cars.
@silverfoxvr8541
@silverfoxvr8541 8 күн бұрын
AMS2 v1.6 would like a word.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
When I did my first versus comparison, people basically said “ahem - how did you not include AMS2?” I’m getting a sense of Deja Vu 👀. I guess I better update to 1.6 and revisit this topic soon 🤔
@silverfoxvr8541
@silverfoxvr8541 8 күн бұрын
I want that headset so bad. Pretty happy with the quest 3, the lenses are just phenomenal, but it needs DisplayPort. The USB-C is holding it back....compression adds latency.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
Do you think you’ll hold out until the next iteration of BSB is available? Or perhaps another small form factor from someone else?
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 8 күн бұрын
Speaking about glare, I do see them when there's very bright white spots on what I'm looking at. Still, I feel like it's a bit blown out of proportion. Yes, it's there, but it's not THAT bad, at least in my opinion. Well, I guess some people don't like having it at all x)
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 8 күн бұрын
At least it used to be a lot worse on my Vive Pro with Fresnel lenses, and even there I found it to be pretty much acceptable.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
I agree with you. It’s there, it’s noticeable - dependent on what environment you’re in. However, like you - I find it to be well within my tolerance levels. I’ve even stopped constantly cleaning the smear off my lenses. I guess it’s much more annoying for those using it for VR Chat or movies, I’m yet to test that out.
@delzimar
@delzimar 9 күн бұрын
great video, you tried the LMU for a long time before giving your opinion, and that is correct. More people should do this and not just play for a few minutes to compare. I completely agree with you, LMU is far superior in terms of its work
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting. You’re right about forming opinions too quickly. I’ve definitely been guilty of doing that and will possibly do it again at some point. If so, I’ll try to revisit and highlight where I might have been wrong.
@cozza819
@cozza819 9 күн бұрын
I read an article that they worked with Nvidia on development. I hope I don't get shafted with poor performance on my AMD RX 6800 16gb
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 9 күн бұрын
Let’s keep our fingers crossed on that. I’m an AMD CPU user, so I’d hope they accommodate all OEMs.
@cozza819
@cozza819 9 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY I'm AMD CPU too, i've got one of the X3D chips, probably the best processor I've brought. But it's not the CPU I'm worried about that's fairly universal to get balanced performance but them partnering with Nvidia specifically worries me if they tune it to only perform well on such cards.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 8 күн бұрын
@@cozza819 based on the current gaming landscape, they have an open goal to get this right and win a lot of love from the sim-racing community. Fingers crossed they don’t go down a development path that ostracises anyone without an Nvidia GPU.
@cozza819
@cozza819 8 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY 100% agree. Here's to hoping it all goes smooth. But as I'm sure with you, we've all been let down so much with games over the years I wouldn't be surprised with a rocky slow launch either.
@irishpat64
@irishpat64 9 күн бұрын
This is from a very”Amateur “ Sim racing VR user….I finally gave LMU a try after purchasing on day 1 of EA…and Although not perfect,I’m having an absolute blast in LMU and have not drove in ACC since the LMU latest update…I only hope The LMU team can stay together long enough to bring the GT3 cars into the sim.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 9 күн бұрын
Hey, I aspire to “Amateur Skm-Racing VR user” - welcome to the club, opinions are wholeheartedly welcomed and have just as much value. Glad to hear you’re having a blast too. Wharts and all, LMU is at least giving us all moments of enjoyment whilst it last.
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 9 күн бұрын
I realised something: if I use the normal soft strap alone without the top strap, even though I used Velcro loop to hold the video cable, it tends to weight down on the strap as I play, making it slip down on my head. To fix that, what I did is I'm setting the strap higher in the back on my head, like in between the back and the top, where the head is thinner, before tightening the strap. This way, since the back of the head is thicker, even if the cable wants to make the strap slip down, it cannot. So far it's been working fine. But I'm still eager to get the 3D printed soft strap mode to add the top strap in halo strap mode.
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 10 күн бұрын
Yesterday evening, I tried using the headset for 3-4 hours straight. At some point, my view became somewhat blurry even though I knew the lenses were clean and were not covered in fog (that's only at the beginning). That's when I realised my eyes probably got dry from being super isolated and with the headset being somewhat hot (not that hot; unlike the Vive Pro 2). So I removed the headset and took a break. I guess that's something I'll have to take into account too x) But yeah, after several days of using it, I think I'm happy with it. Thank you.
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 11 күн бұрын
I received my Beyond while I was still sick. Tested it when I got a little better. I think I'm going to need getting used to it. When compared to my Vive Pro with the official thin leather cushion, the field of view is somewhat smaller (if I open Steam overlay in SteamVR, I could see a blurred clock with the Vive Pro in the lower right corner, whereas the clock is out of my field of view with the Beyond). Sometimes, I used to open the Steam overlay in VR to benefit from the giant curved desktop screen, but with the somewhat smaller Beyond field of view, it feels slightly too big, so I have to grab the line at the bottom of the overlay to push it further, and then it's perfect. I ended up setting the luminosity to 50%. Initially, I attempted to set it straight to 10%, but that clearly looked way too dark for my liking. 50% makes it look normal enough to my liking; at least it reminds me of the Vive Pro (even though I was told the Vive Pro was eye burning bright). Screen door effect is completely gone, which is nice. Now I can use my VR headset as an actual screen replacement. Still, it's good that I went from a Vive Pro to the Beyond, because you have to move your head more than your eyes. If you move your eyes, you quickly get out of the field of view. As for light leakage and micro OLED dark? I cannot say much about them, since with the Vive Pro, I already had perfect light isolation and OLED black. You do see a very little light leakage with the Beyond when you put the headset on without plugging in the video input, but once you plug the wire, it's gone. I'm still waiting for my 3D printed soft strap mode to make it more comfortable. I don't want to purchase the audio strap because I want to use my own IEM. Still going to need to get used to it, but I do believe it is a headset for me. But it's definitely not a headset for everyone.
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 11 күн бұрын
I think my 3D scan came out fine, but I don't know for sure. It doesn't feel uncomfortable, that's for sure.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 10 күн бұрын
Glad to see it’s been a mostly positive experience for you. It’ll be interest to hear how the 3D printed audio strap and your face gasket feel after a few weeks of use.
@replacesoundboard
@replacesoundboard 10 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY I think the package got lost in transit because it's been more than a week x) Perhaps I'll have to have them printed again. Dang
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 9 күн бұрын
@@replacesoundboard I hope it’s just a delayed delivery.
@DeDoTMoPo3_LivE-qi4eh
@DeDoTMoPo3_LivE-qi4eh 12 күн бұрын
*Я думаю разработчики положили ОГРОМНЫй БОЛТ на VR режим этой части,поэтому что,что бы ты не делал у тебя будет мыло,спасают только энтузиасты,которые пилят моды для первой части ассетто корса,там VR c в миллион раз лучше,если разрабы и в AC EVO обосрутся с VR-ом, я им больне ни копейки не занесу...*
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 12 күн бұрын
VR really does need to be great in AC EVO. It has to be as good as AC with CSP, or better.
@stevedoughty5062
@stevedoughty5062 12 күн бұрын
Great review. I have one. The field of view is.... very narrow indeed. I hooked up my HPG2 to my daughters PC last week and was astonished by its AMAZING FOV. I guess i got used to the Big Screen Beyond !!. It's definitly a compromise. Same as oyu, its oe i think on balace was worth making for the positives regards weight. I would love one of these with adjustible IPD, mine wa also off. it was too wide. and with a generic gasket so i could share it. all in all... im pretty much of th esame opinion as you. good review !
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 12 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and comments, I really appreciate it. I totally agree with your “wish-list” of nice to have compromises too. They’d be a great trade off for a slightly bigger headset.
@highseas6202
@highseas6202 12 күн бұрын
Yep. Small and light weight is awsome. FOV is... disappointing. But on balanace.... it's certainly for me at least a great option. Kinda wondering what the index 2 will bring. Hopefully not much weight. Really good review. About as objective as you get in this "interweb thingamy" 😂 Cheers fella.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 12 күн бұрын
@@highseas6202 Thank you for watching and commenting, it’s always appreciated.
@Md.AbuBakkar1764
@Md.AbuBakkar1764 13 күн бұрын
Really awesome,,, very nice.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 12 күн бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏾
@westindiman
@westindiman 14 күн бұрын
The sector bar and other stage information is missing from your views as it is when I use my Reverb G2 but it is there with my Pico headset. Do you know why it is missing in your view and how to turn it on?
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 13 күн бұрын
I’m not sure, why that might be the case. For my video, I’d turned all onscreen hud elements off deliberately. I have the distance to go bar turned on in some later footage I captured, but I never got around to making and uploading that video.
@malan23able
@malan23able 15 күн бұрын
How did you manage to record the live VR view? Strangely when playing it in VR, there is escape menu on the main monitor during a race. :)
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 14 күн бұрын
I either record the SteamVR mirror window via Streamlabs OBS. Or (this video) via the OpenVR plugin for Streamlabs OBS - which takes the headset feed like another video input device.
@jimbochoo3316
@jimbochoo3316 15 күн бұрын
You are yonna get bored with limited amount of cars and tracks in LMU. I like ams2 for all the content. It has flaws but it is more fun than any game in VR
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
I'm less likely to get bored (too soon), just because I'm a creature of habit with limited time to race. So I prefer to race the same tracks as the official series, and to focus on improving my performances. But I can see how that wouldn't appeal to people not wanting that, especially if they spend a lot of time in the game and weren't buying the game to match the series, but wanted another game like rF2.
@RichAbe23
@RichAbe23 15 күн бұрын
I’m currently on AMS2 Beta and with its leaps in improvement regarding physics and ffb it still is far away from what LMU offers. Imagine having the best of both games.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
I definitely have to try out the AMS2 update next week. That would be nice, right. And - if we could also throw in iRacing Tempest - imagine how good that would be.
@miSta1982
@miSta1982 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for the link to this Video and the settings. May I ask if you use somethin like repojection or smart smoothing.. so to render only the half of the 75 frames. or is native? 26 cars and MSAA 8x will kill my system at Render Resolution set to 3k x3k. I own a RTX 4090 and a 7800x3D but have Pimax Crystal with dynamic forvetead rendering and openxr
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
Hi, I’m not using reproduction or smart soothing at the moment, just running native at 75hz. But I’m still experimenting to be honest, I haven’t tried a full grid, might, etc.
@simeracerhead3670
@simeracerhead3670 15 күн бұрын
Another great video MW 👏
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏾
@RandyMagruder
@RandyMagruder 15 күн бұрын
My complaint about your KZbin is this. Your title is: "Is Automobilista 2 VR better than Le Mans Ultimate - VR Update". Except you really didn't limit yourself to VR. You made your AMS2 comparisons all about the physics/driving/feel...which has no connection to VR
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
Fair complaint 👍🏾. It’s because, for me, the “VR experience” is the whole package - everything that makes the experience immersive. This isn’t a subliminal for you to watch the prior videos 😁 - promise, but it’s where I start the theme, that it’s how it immerses me with all senses. But, I take your point if you’re expecting feedback focussed on visuals, interface, and quality of life.
@RandyMagruder
@RandyMagruder 15 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY yeah I mean don't get me wrong, I will not even load up AMS 2 anymore until 1.6 comes out and I can see if they've closed the gap. And that's a person who has had a love affair with AMS 2 in the past, particularly with the AI and VR Visuals. LMU's VR is promising, but there's just still a lot of work to be done.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
@@RandyMagruder best case scenario is that they all make improvements. AMS2 visuals blew me away at first sight. This coming from iRacing, ACC, AC, and rF2. I just always had a question about the feel. If they fix that 🎉
@RandyMagruder
@RandyMagruder 15 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY Yup, I'm not at all certain AMS 2 1.6 will address the physics issues fully...but I'm VERY open.
@Bmvoien
@Bmvoien 2 күн бұрын
Personally, I think it’s better to include as much info as you can. Just one little difference between two game titles can be the dealbreaker for many people. There’s far too many variables going on to intentionally leave out info.
@RandyMagruder
@RandyMagruder 15 күн бұрын
RaceRoom is still the superior experience in VR, in my opinion...with LMU coming in a close second. Until AMS2 figures out FFB and tire physics (1.6?), it's in 3rd.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
I confess, I’ve not tried RaceRoom for longer than 5 minutes. Out of interest, what sets RaceRoom apart for you?
@RandyMagruder
@RandyMagruder 15 күн бұрын
​@@MAWvR3ALITY It's weird. I ignored RaceRoom forever. Raced every other sim. Tried it once, didn't go back. And then the graphics update came out in September and I thought what the heck, let's try it again. Just night and day better. FEEL: it feels smooth and predictable when driving. I can push, I can hustle the car around, I can FEEL what the car is doing. I can apply every principle used in LMU, iRacing etc and get predictable and enjoyable responses. VR: WIth OpenComposite replacing SteamVR and maxing out my render resolution on Quest 3, I get very very smooth and crisp visuals in VR. The HUD Elements work great in VR (In LMU you the HUD is just an overlay of your monitor hud so you have to scale it so it works, and its mushy and ...not great.) Sound: LMU and RaceRoom are easily the best SOUNDING titles I've ever heard. Watch a replay in action cam on RaceRoom with the volume up. WHOA. NetCode. Net code is VERY VERY solid. Even racing with people in Europe, I never feel that the collisions are unfair or netcode induced. Yes, people can skip around if their pings are high, but it's very solid. So many tracks, so many cars. And by buying packs or (as I ultimately did) the premium pack, I got ALL the content. I actually met some guys driving LMU Co-Op races with the new update (which I did in VR), and it was great, but at the same time, so many issues with it, that I introduced the guys on my team to RaceRoom and they are now buying content for it and racing it with me. RaceRoom for me is the best kept secret in Sim Racing.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
@@RandyMagruder I need to stop reading comments, you’re all encouraging me to buy more content 🤣. Being serious, that was me - one attempt, meh - dropped it. I’ll have to add RR to my ever expanding list of “to do”. Thanks for the info 👍🏾
@Bmvoien
@Bmvoien 2 күн бұрын
Alright you convinced me it’s next on my list.
@lincolnklayvr
@lincolnklayvr 15 күн бұрын
Good video 👍
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
Thank you
@metzVR
@metzVR 15 күн бұрын
Whilst i agree with your opinion that LMU currently offers the better driving experience, I strongly disagree that AMS2's FFB is Arcadey. FFB and Physics are two entirely different conversations and are often confused. If you aren't feeling exactly what you want to feel from your force feedback, then it's your ffb profile settings, period. Instead of trying other ffb profiles you've found, definitely try to build your own profile, strip back any wheelbase 'extras' and use the in-game ffb first, before adding in any external wheelbase software extras like intertia, damping etc. Physics on the other hand, I agree. Currently LMU offers a better driving experience, in fact, i'd go further and say no other sim offers the driving experience that LMU does. AMS2's physics, like you described, overdriving the car to produce quick lap times, with very little danger of losing the car are unrealistic, thankfully a major re-work has been undertaken and with the imminent release of the 1.6 update have largely been addressed. Currently, you can totally take the piss with overdriving, in 1.6, you'll quickly swap ends if you try to drive over the limit. Not saying they are LMU physics but they are massively improved. VR implementation, there really is no comparison, AMS2 is still the benchmark, far more polished and that was the title of your video, is ams2 VR better than LMU VR. performance is far superior in ams2 than LMU. At the end of the day, all of these opinions are entirely subjective. ask the same question regarding one sim versus another to 20 different people and you'll most likely get 20 different answers.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
Thanks, that’s a really articulate clarification. Post the 1.6 update, I’ll have to invest some time in reevaluating - including taking your advice on profiles. My opinion is most definitely subjective and possibly (probably) skewed heavily by recency bias and euphoria. I had previously intended on investing the time to start from scratch, but that idea (project) has been gathering dust on my “to-do” list. Again, thanks - especially for taking the time to provide such comprehensive and constructive feedback 👍🏾. Edit - I just took a look and see you have a number of AMS2 videos. I’ll have to check them out and see/hear your experiences with it (subbed 🙌🏾).
@mikecroshaw9233
@mikecroshaw9233 15 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY yep, I agree with Metz. Having driven 1.6 a fair bit, I have to say I find AMS2 more enjoyable to drive than LMU, although I'm sure LMU is more realistic. In terms of VR AMS2 is far superior, and even if they fix things like the low rez mirrors in LMU, it likely won't match it based on my RF2 experience. It will still be decent though I'm sure and I hope they get there before they go bankrupt.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
@@mikecroshaw9233 Thanks, I think “more enjoyable” is the most important thing. Like Metz says, ‘it’s subjective’. So, considering we all have finite time to invest in our hobbies - my opinion is somewhat irrelevant when it comes to people getting what they want or need, in return on the time they invest. But, if you all keep telling me how great 1.6 is - I might have to make a point of challenging my own opinion 😊.
@eugenecia9424
@eugenecia9424 15 күн бұрын
I agree with you but I find ams2 a bit more fun. In vr in steam I set the world scale to 120 which gives it more realistic, by default I drive in a porch but it looks like a Toyota aigo. 😅I play the game with the psvr2 at 90 hertz, with my 7900xtx everything on ultra low everything looks very good. But as soon as I set the graphic settings higher it doesn't run as smoothly anymore, there is still work to be done.
@viktorianas
@viktorianas 15 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY As a huge RF2 FFB fan I found a FIX for AMS2 FFB, it's the only sim that requires almost max filtering in Logitech G Pro 11nm software, so it may be the case with other DD wheels, now its FFB on par or even better than RF2 for me. Stock car 2024 is the car to try for 1.6 tyres, much more punishing over the limit.
@EdisonArias
@EdisonArias 16 күн бұрын
I dont agree with your observation ffb in AMS2 to be honest, I respect it, but Arcade ffb, no, I dont think so.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate you disagreeing respectfully. 6 months ago, I probably would have said “less sophisticated”, rather than ‘arcade’. I’ll be the first to admit my opinion is subjective, probably biased by recent experiences and excitement. I’ll happily reassess over the coming months and eat my words if AMS2 updates.
@G.Yam74
@G.Yam74 16 күн бұрын
Is the loading times better as in RF2? Rf2 is one of the best, maybe the best i know, but 3 minutes to load up a track can kill the fun.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
I'll have to time it to be completely objective, but they still aren't the greatest. Online it can seem like an age, but much of that is down to the splits being assigned to each server. Pretty-much similar to the length of time an LFM server takes to appear in ACC once the web-site says the session is up.
@G.Yam74
@G.Yam74 16 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY Thanks. Since I don't have much time anymore, I prefer to play single play. That means the AI ​​still has to be loaded and finding this coordination was difficult enough in RF2. I remember spending entire weekends modding, playing around with the options more than racing. If you try umpteen times to find a setup that works well, you keep reloading. Very unfortunate. The same problem also occurs in other simulations. But AMS2 e.g. loads the route within seconds, so you can quickly find your way into the race. Even Assetto Corsa with Content Patch can be the worst. It charges faster than RF2 but there are more options than the SpaceShuttle. OutOfTheBox seems to still win AMS2 for me. Even if physics and FF aren't as good as RF2. You play the game and not with the options.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
@@G.Yam74as a positive with LMU, there aren’t any mods - so setting up a single player offline race weekend is more similar to AMS2. I can’t remember if you said you’d tried LMU. If not - you could use the Steam 2-hour refund to see how quickly/slowly a race weekend loads - then refund.
@G.Yam74
@G.Yam74 16 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY thats true. I try it out . thx
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 14 күн бұрын
I just timed it; 26 car grid, multi-class, offline race weekend. 63 seconds from hitting ‘Start Weekend’ to the practice session loading in being complete.
@PogMoThoin22
@PogMoThoin22 16 күн бұрын
You make custard with milk!!!
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
There’s an instant version that just requires boiling water.
@Lakedistrictrider
@Lakedistrictrider 16 күн бұрын
Feels a bit premature given AMS2 is on the cusp of a major update that will change the handling of the cars, but gives you an excuse to do another video I guess lol. Would be interested in how do you find the AI in LMU? Is it possible to do an online championship? Ta 👍
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
Haha - I know, I’m so fickle right now 🤣. And thanks for the video idea, I’m 100% making a note of that 😊. I haven’t tried the AI yet, nor night settings - so I’ll have to look into those too. Thanks for the ideas.
@Lakedistrictrider
@Lakedistrictrider 16 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY no worries, looking forward to the vids 😀
@Racingfan101
@Racingfan101 16 күн бұрын
I like your comments about intuitiveness of driving experience. Totally agree. Was pushing my Sebring time and was struggling in GTE to go under 2:00. So addictive and setting laptimes 2:00.1 lap after lap and then finally get a 159.5 was such an amazing feeling. The whole journey and experience to get better times and improve. The feeling on the brakes, turn in speed and pushing the limits more and more feels so intuitive.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
A) congrats on the 01:59.5 - that’s an impressive time. B) I agree completely - that consistency in time, driving without thinking about what you’re doing, just becoming comfortable in your inputs and tuning in the muscle memory. So rewarding.
@chrisc3825
@chrisc3825 16 күн бұрын
I really can't get along with AMS2 no matter how much I want to. The force feedback feels like I'm on a belt driven wheel despite being on a thousand dollar base.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
That’s a great description. Have you tried any of the FFB profiles? Not that it will change your last sentence much.
@chrisc3825
@chrisc3825 16 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY you know, I haven’t yet. I saw a thread of like 300 pages on maybe it was AMS’s forum with custom FFB files and it just sort of turned me off. I’ll probably revisit it once 1.6 comes out to see if I can make it feel better, but if I can’t in an hour or two, that will likely be the last time for me. Graphically, the engine is brilliant for VR, but for whatever reason, the FF just is so weird compared to most other sims. So 1.6 and one more try. Using a Simagic Alpha Ultimate for reference.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 15 күн бұрын
@@chrisc3825 you don’t have to watch the video, just check the description to save you time trawling the 300 pages. I’ve linked to the video I watched that signposted which profiles to try. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4Laf62QgrWra5Ysi=q-klkcEmNv0jRIQD I think I also the names of the profiles I tried. When I get a chance I’ll check my notes, as it includes the forum page number the profiles are on.
@carsonpoland
@carsonpoland 16 күн бұрын
Both sims are outstanding in VR! LMU is my no1 along with AMS2. AMS2 is more polished in VR, has better cars spectrum but man! ...LMU physic and sounds is unmatched.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
And the craziest thing is, this isn’t S397’s official implementation of VR. You can definitely see where it needs polish, but some of the issues aren’t specific to VR. I really hope they get to finish the project and deliver the end result they had in mind.
@carlosangalang
@carlosangalang 16 күн бұрын
Wow, I wasn't expecting your comparison result! Purely on VR visuals, I tip my cap to AMS2. But if combining VR and intuitive driving feel, then LMU takes the cake. Fun factor and ease of use is still with AMS2 as a complete package, but if LMU can polish the VR experience more e.g., HUD, menus, micro-stutters, etc. then LMU complete PKG will be better than AMS2. But the future of LMU looks to be up in the air and I don't know if I want to commit to it fully as my preferred sim
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
My result shocked me too 😏. I hadn’t driven AMS2 since playing with the FFB profiles and “loving it”. Man, I’m turning into a fickle, fickle, sim-racer 👀 I agree with everything you’ve said. The only part where I might already be lost is, I’m hooked on LMU right now 🤣. The withdrawals will be rough if S397 goes out of business and takes LMU with it.
@carlosangalang
@carlosangalang 16 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY I just completed my first online race in LMU, and I'm confident I can retire from... ACC! 😅 Ok, not that hard since I haven't played ACC for some time and I can't bear having to perpetually niggle with VR settings on my Quest 3 and 4090 PC to not make my eyes bleed. Plus LMU looks and feels superior to ACC, not to mention the broader car class options with hypercars and LMP2. High hopes that the GT3s get released for LMU
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
@@carlosangalang Haha - I hear you on that! 😂😂 LMU is out here making us all question our life choices lol
@MightyMikeVR
@MightyMikeVR 16 күн бұрын
Much is good about LMU. But I think the lighting is wrong in LMU (everything is way too bright) and it is extremely performance demanding. I get worse performance in LMU with 72 Hz and 1.0 super sampling compared to AMS2 90 Hz and 1.5 super sampling.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
Yep, there’s definitely something ‘not quite right’ with the visuals outside of the car in LMU. A flat or washed out feel. But then, I’ll watch footage back on a small screen, like phone or tablet, and it looks similar to IRL footage. Makes me start to think I’m imagining what it looks like full screen or when in VR. I hear you on the performance too. I’m hoping S397 gets the time to improve on that, significantly. I’ll have to check out your videos to see your results 👍🏾.
@Racingfan101
@Racingfan101 16 күн бұрын
Only in full sun something is off but with some clouds LMU can look like real life and even AMS2 cannot compare. With BSB you can run post effect high, 75hz mode, 3560x3560 MSAA 4x. Only track graphics to medium to avoid micro stutter and all other can be ultra or high. Amazing
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 16 күн бұрын
@@Racingfan101 Thanks, I'll check what I've got mine set to. I think I have track at medium and SteamVR at 150%. I'll also change the weather because, on my phone and tablet I've definitely had take my breath away moments - then wondered what I'm missing when looking at it in 4K.
@schneemann1239
@schneemann1239 17 күн бұрын
I can see the sim with this IFR add on just in 2D in my VR headset. Do know what I do wrong?Every other add on works fine in VR
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 17 күн бұрын
Is it your entire MSFS2020 sim in 2D, when selecing the FS Academy activities?
@schneemann1239
@schneemann1239 17 күн бұрын
@@MAWvR3ALITY when I come back to the main menu everything is in back in VR. But selecting a FS Academy flight- The sim is in cinema mode o.O
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 17 күн бұрын
@@schneemann1239ok, that’s weird. Did you purchase the package via the in-game marketplace or website? Also - are you on PC or Console?
@miSta1982
@miSta1982 19 күн бұрын
What are your ingame graphic Settings?
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 19 күн бұрын
Hi, they’re at the end of this video. Timestamp 24:20. My Impressions Le Mans Ultimate - VR Update | BigScreen Beyond | VR Settings - kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2Oyh4dsZZxorJo I’ve since reverted my refresh rate back to 60hz, from 25hz in the video.
@samuelappiah263
@samuelappiah263 19 күн бұрын
I still think this game offers the best driving experience. It’s fun to drive, it feels like you’re driving an actual race car and elevates the sim experience. Combined with a motion sim it’s incredible. I hope they pull through and I have to agree, the VR is better than ams2 which always looked cartoony to me.
@MAWvR3ALITY
@MAWvR3ALITY 19 күн бұрын
I agree with you 100%. Anyone saying otherwise, about the driving experience, is confused. It would be criminal if we lost this title to insolvency. We’d always know that better was possible.