Autotune in Kpop You Missed

[@na-miika-zee3870]

Some ppl need to realize that idols are humans and humans have lungs.

[@laviyashinee_1639]

Ikr

[@nonsense4288]

pEriOdt.

[@minaspengu7494]

knets pretend to hear

[@astrangerontheinternet1719]

And voiceboxes

[@strangeannie5160]

Except eminen

[@zeneunoia]

The only problem is the fans that can’t accept their idols flaws..Its not like they’re not talented. Its just your expectations that are too much

[@shishi3549]

Yeh

[@danacharellelacuesta4775]

Yeahhhh

[@eli------------------0001]

i think the actors set them high with their fixed recorded songs, they impressed us in that voice, we also expect to hear that voice live.. they were recognized in that voice anywaysssss

[@mariaaayayay6468]

I agree with u. Fans now adays think that their idols were some kind of God to be perfect. They couldn't accept that their idols have their flaws too

[@AwalAhmadFadhillah]

This, I really hates fans shouting idols and their companies to respect idols own choices and private lives (dating, mistakes, etc), yet all these complicated things surrounding idols appear due to fans demands.

[@faithflower4034]

Not gonna lie, hearing the live with breaths and pauses just sound better honestly..

[@mars_06]

Yeah it sounds more human if that makes sense

[@christellesomera6267]

ikr

[@radioactivepi734]

It feels more realistic and therefore more expressive

[@jchongO2l1]

They actually have live MR. Like they have backtracks that sounds live because of the breathing.

[@AlpacaPiola]

SAME

[@zarahi7876]

In produce48 a mentor pointed out that during the foreign language performance recording task many Korean trainees simply gave up singing in order to focus on dancing, whilst the Japanese trainees from AKB48 insisted to sing while dancing even if they're making mistakes and the performance isn't gonna be perfect. I remember haters and some extreme kpop fans criticizing Japanese idols and trainees for imperfect performances, but the truth is that in the jpop industry, almost every performer were required to sing lives even when they're dancing with little to no autotunes, even if it means there's gonna be flaws and imperfections, they still embrace it; whilst in the kpop industry, the pursue of perfection has now gone wayyyyy too extreme, many shows and programs prefer pre recordings and autotunes to make the performance look perfect.

[@sanika4150]

Yes, it was a really nice gesture by the j trainees. They still did so well

[@amanhaniftambu3319]

Seems to be the reason twice sings live most of the time in Japan

[@shlimey04]

@@amanhaniftambu3319 and the reason they don't sing live that much

[@hiyuraono]

BoA once said she had to sing live when she went to Japan, which was a norm in South Korea. After that, she started vocal training while running. >> kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWe0YaelfZ6ip80

[@amanhaniftambu3319]

@@shlimey04 twice have never lipsynced in their concerts and never will they have more than 20 live stages that are with live vocals if onces are fine with letting the girls rest as they have 5- 6 comebacks each year if twice sings everything live they'll damage their vocal cords twice released the most songs in 2021with a whopping 36 songs and none of them were a skip and that says a lot about them

[@defiantaichi]

Even solar hates the editing, which is why she sings full songs on her KZbin channels

[@hellohello.123]

Yea

[@hellohello.123]

Solar is the best

[@hellohello.123]

@Chuuberry yes

[@theexplosionofnature143]

I am subbed to her

[@theexplosionofnature143]

I'm happy

[@wekyeonz]

people literally cant sing without breathing its like singers arent allowed to have lungs thats like athletes not being able to have limbs its ACTUALLY absurd and borderline comedic

[@lhjcm_535]

IKR! LIKE THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO! Sooo i have been seeing that some artist use like a airy-kind pf taechnuiqe, so they dont loose air. (Sorry for my bad spelling

[@bryanpuerto6712]

because they were not considered as human they are just a product that should look and sound flawless in every angle! sad reality!

[@mnvh888]

But the fact that western artist can sing live almost 100% of the time just makes me wonder why cant koreans do it too

[@bryanpuerto6712]

@@mnvh888 its not that they cant do they just want thier product to look good and sound good whatever it takes! i believe they also have capable singers they just cant show it because if they will hear yoir breathing in post editing it will be removed. everything should be clean.. lol. thats just how their music industry works.. they dont trust their own singers capability!

[@ngaptrongdeadline3393]

@@mnvh888 well it's actually because Kpop songs have dance choreo which makes idols harder to sings live, while infact they can sing live really good , even for Twice. They got so much hate just because JYP totally overlook their range and potential, they can't even sing most their songs live and i hate it

[@hanifaharfiatulhaq9617]

These music shows should normalize breathing, panting and unstable vocals while dancing. Man, I wouldn't even be able to talk if I moved like them 👁👄👁

[@mineyoo1999]

It’s different. While doing performance it’s well known that they’re not really doing live performance but either doubling/pre-recording so I guess it doesn’t count (especially because KPop dances nowadays are more energetic compared to a decade ago). But I’m utterly annoyed at how they still try to smooth out “real” live singing where it’s supposed to show raw talent like what’s there to hide?

[@hanifaharfiatulhaq9617]

@@mineyoo1999 exactly.

[@RougeLino]

it use to be the case (or more than now) until the 3rd gen

[@user-gj3ph7zd5x]

you mean normalize it again, cause when the 2nd gen was active there was no backup vocals.... at least that was the case of SNSD and 2NE1 idk about other groups

[@mikanchan322]

That, or more people should know and be aware of the use of live correction and backtracks. With some dances it is literally impossible to sing certain passages- I think it should be fine to use backtracks. The problem is music shows pretending that it is live.

[@moonstarsun7911]

Solar’s real voice is so much better than what tv show edited. That prove she is really an amazing singer

[@katavittinger4155]

Agree

[@iamsokyut]

i was there at kcon la back in 2019 and she was really good when she sang speechless. we were literally speechless after her performance. seriously, were all shouting because she really did an amazing job. was one of the highlights of that night.

[@somethingthatexists4797]

100% agree! !! I wish they’d just leave her vocals alone

[@Evvuful]

People commenting "this is why X group/singer is best" completely missed the point of the video

[@anayakhan2208]

I know people need to stop obsessing over this

[@ILoveLLawlietxD]

They really think their faves are free of this shit, I don't think they even watched more than the title of the video😭

[@andiuptown1711]

*Literally!*

[@il.u.vgojosatoru6516]

The reality is that there is no idol who haven't had a bad day and their fans try to deny that because they see them as gods and not as humans.

[@ItGirlCaliiopx]

Cmon girl just say moomoos

[@menahelsultan3389]

Ok but they aren’t bad without auto tune omg. They really need to stop giving idols this perfect flawless image.

[@christellesomera6267]

ikr.. they're good enough live.. but shows obsessing on perfection is a thing.. you think you can move like that without catching a breath? they should normalize it cause it's a normal thing

[@ryna8168]

UP

[@shinichikudoz]

Newbies kpop fans when they first saw kpop groups sing and dance...they like woah how they do that meanwhile vets kpop fans just laughing looking at newbies kpop fans 🤣🤣🤣

[@menahelsultan3389]

@@shinichikudoz ??

[@yrnseventh]

That perfect flawless image is what they are offered to the fans. That's what "idol" means. Fans only demand what they are offered to them. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@sean_underneath]

Most of the raw footage actually sounds so good

[@chappyllama4445]

Yup

[@hyunjin480]

Yeah

[@yhomiekheinthpatayan7323]

true..i think its because using mobile phone on live is different than using professional or devices or cameras for studio..

[@somebody00able]

I agreed..

[@samanthakim5035]

True

[@StanChunghaOrGoHome]

I’ve noticed kpop companies are training idols a lot less vocally in recent years. And training periods in general have gotten shorter meaning less time for trainees to work on singing while dancing. So to combat this, companies take shortcuts through autotuning and lip syncing.

[@K_RRK]

I feel the reasoning should be the other way arround. As Autotuning and lip syncing are available at their disposal, companies are decreasing the emphasis on vocals of their trainies.

[@Cademslibrary]

Yes and this leaves us with idols who get bashed by ppl bc they can’t sing live or bc they’re scared to bc they weren’t trained either properly or enough bc one thing I see these days is companies and even on those survival shows they only care about the visuals and dance and the singers tend to be the least popular among both ppl and couches and then we get ofc good idols with talent but the noses that were much more deserving of the spot are left behind bc they’re not popular nor pretty enough…

[@HKim0072]

They realized in the early 2010s that vocal ability and selling music isn't correlated. I'm pretty sure there is little touch up in this video. The weakest singers became the most popular group. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaatkmWHeNmmjNU

[@nm9688]

@@K_RRK plus in covid times there are fewer live audiences

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@Cademslibrary I would rather listen to perfect vocals while hyping with the audience bc i noticed some idols are very good at it instead of seeing them uninterested with lipsyncing

[@abimon76]

Remember that just because a group has prerecorded performances doesn't mean they are worse singers. The industry is obsessed with perfection over authenticity

[@user-pj3on8jy6n]

Exactly, so many people in the comments are dismissing their talent just bc their company wants them to sound “perfect” it’s something they can’t control.

[@denzcromacky8013]

Yes

[@ingridjimenez5622]

I turned it to 1k 😃

[@mayankbodepudi5524]

Fans prefer authenticity more, right. That's why people feel a sense of betrayal. It's not fair for the fans when autotune is used when they themselves say it's 'live'. Personally I don't really bother about autotune. But trying to fool is also not right on their part. But are these incidents shown in this video true? Or assumptions?

[@abimon76]

@@mayankbodepudi5524 Would you rather blame the industry for being obsessed with perfection, or blame the artists who have absolutely no say in how their video is taken and manipulated for "fooling" the fans?

[@lukescrains1446]

I knew masked singer wasn’t 100% real,, it was too perfect

[@Levi-bn2xp]

For a tv show I always know they auto tuned it so I don't really care and have no expectation. But if I go to concert, of course I want a live performance.

[@lme918]

that makes understandable why someone wins the battle. But some people like "it's not fair, he was so good". Dude, you didn't hear how he really sung. When audience were there that was more interesting after is not counting cause panelists really overreact and not always do justice.

[@daielesign]

great profile picture 💔😩

[@denalv3070]

@@Levi-bn2xp I agree, with tv you just can't have any expectations, but with a concert if it's not live then that's really not worth the money, because you can just listen to the audio on spotify(or through other means).

[@abangkhuzaimyzharief8599]

But their singing still good

[@AF-bp8tz]

Solar overpowering backtracks is always a mood.

[@moonchild1856]

IstG

[@lokiiiyou6275]

YAZSZZZZ GURL

[@b.a.pforever8314]

yasss

[@yunqi9835]

The way that they openly admitted whenever they lip synced says so much

[@ne_etb]

@@yunqi9835 they can't even lipsync , that's why they always insist on singing live. Queens indeed.

[@randompotassium1111]

This is why the "Cater 2 U" cover of SNSD is one of my favorite live. It's one of the rare raw singing. Taeyeon is given. Tiffany excels in her low registers. But Seohyun is a very underrated singer. Stable voice, sharp ears, and harmonization. A good recipe for live performances.

[@evestar775]

FR, there's always a vibe in it that sounds so natural. I mean I never doubt SNSD singing abilities since I have seen them sang a lot esp during their rookie era.

[@teacher-Eri]

I remember i looping Taetiseo clip in sketchbook a loooot back in the days. Always a crazy fans of Taeyeon voice but Seohyun and Tiffany voice here are eargasm too.

[@AB-cp5fn]

Seohyun is great, as good as Taeyeon for me.

[@haennie8197]

I don’t mind autotune for prerecorded shows because they have to do several run throughs and it would strain their vocals, but if I pay money to go to a concert or show I’d expect them to sing at least half the show live. It’s just common sense.

[@ngaptrongdeadline3393]

Ye you can watch Twicelight . People complaining Twice can't sing live and always use lipsyncing . But in their own tour , they always sing their heart out because they don't have to deal with all those haters bullshit

[@riosx9916]

I've gone to two Kpop concerts, one of BTS and one of SuperM. Both groups sang live the whole show, I don't think K-Pop artists lipsync in concerts.

[@haennie8197]

@@riosx9916 superm lipsyncs most of their songs with a lot of dancing, which is SM’s call. That’s why they had the mishap when the audio went off in London

[@riosx9916]

@@haennie8197 well yeah, they lipsynced a lot of Jopping and No Manners, but most of the show was live, I could hear them breath make mistakes when singing

[@haennie8197]

@@riosx9916 the crew made the backing track way louder than their voices so it was hard to tell for me in a lot of my videos. and even if it wasn’t live I’m sure it was a prerecorded live audio

[@shaneeekpop]

Don't blame the artists. Blame the music show/program that did them dirty.

[@shaneeekpop]

@@anshgala4020 bish thought i said this was a joke lel. read my comment again.

[@pandabanda2156]

@@anshgala4020 she can if she could her real voice just accept that u r the biggest joke here

[@anshgala4020]

@@pandabanda2156 just watch any of twice's win ceremony.

[@pandabanda2156]

@@anshgala4020 i smell jealousy

[@cookieeees]

@@anshgala4020 And what about it? She's a main dancer, she doesn't need to be a good singer. She's decent if she doesn't sing in a higher pitch. Idols are given positions for a reason. There's nothing wrong with being a bit unstable and not that perfect. This applies for other groups that got bashed for being unstable as well(eg. BP).

[@dxhyunjin]

People don’t realize that it’s almost impossible to have a complicated dance while singing live unless they have voice control training

[@2NE1jacks]

2ne1 was great with that.. singing and with dance omg yes

[@Agnaldo_sju]

@@2NE1jacks But they coreography is easy... but they sing very well

[@2NE1jacks]

@@Agnaldo_sju That’s true, but they were really awesome stage presentation were high and etc

[@Agnaldo_sju]

@@2NE1jacks yes!

[@sean_underneath]

That's not something like 'voice control training' can help.... Human is just physically impossible to do a chest pop + jump while singing like nothing.... You might have superpowers or smth if you can do that

[@fernandavvll]

Okay but eunji??? Omg are y’all blind? I never see anyone mentioning her, the girl is literally one of the most impeccable singers in kpop industry and she deserves more appreciation

[@roter13]

Wouldn't it be deaf?

[@ongakira]

we’re blind ??

[@fernandavvll]

@@ongakira you got it

[@fernandavvll]

@@roter13 😅😅😅

[@fifi7367]

She is actually very known and popular as 2nd gen ended and 3rd gen starting. But, since now kpop idol standard is their face many people forget about her.

[@sabrinanurazizah6282]

I get more annoyed when bands can't do live music at music shows

[@andiuptown1711]

Yea even the bands hate it themselves, but because so many groups need to use the stage, it would take to long to actually set everything up to play and then take it down

[@noraebang_]

Bruh then there's no point in this 😭

[@slendercnpsucks.gocryabout3984]

Yeah,I can understand a group who dance and sing at the same time. Or maybe some of this bands has a reasona about it why they dont sing live.

[@sabrinanurazizah6282]

@@slendercnpsucks.gocryabout3984 yup, the reason is the music sows it self

[@johnlouiealova8150]

It's not the band that annoys you. It's your expectation.😂

[@Xim_TW]

HOW DARE THEY RETOUCH SOLAR AMAZING PREFORMANCE(?!

[@JS-wj1cs]

You can say she’s speechless

[@sausageroll1106]

J S lol

[@alexandrateixeiraf]

EXACTLY LIKE ((??

[@boood3064]

like always😭

[@annejenethabellar5133]

How dare them!!!

[@boppop8703]

The clip of Solar’s battle against the backtrack music had me sending. They really underestimated her- or they’re just hard perfectionists 😭😆😆

[@heeheehaheho5649]

😭😭😭 the irony, since she was singing Speechless

[@jungkook_bunnyz1769]

Time stamp

[@tenmoo4009]

@@jungkook_bunnyz1769 6:45

[@louieya9190]

The media operators in korea are kinda sad ToT

[@inchw0rm]

fr that double voice effect that loud backtracks cause is sooo annoying like how do they think that sounds better?!

[@NathyIsabella]

me being like: "how's everyone saying Rose laying on the ground and being carried around and not hearing her voice change is live?"

[@alinecarvalho5837]

but her fans wanted to kill me when I said that

[@jenstan7078]

@@nickithomas5894 "they sing without backup vocals" LMAOOOOO god ur so delulu

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@jenstan7078 Those people really need to know that idols use prerecorded stuff

[@댄스-i8o]

@@nickithomas5894 Imao

[@hexawira7134]

That's not necessarily mean rosé is bad singer or smth lol. Did you even watch the video? It's the tv broadcast who decide to put "fake kpop live autotune" in her performance. We don't know if she's actually sing live or not. It's not her fault

[@kittykat248100]

i am so cringe at ppl hyping “mr removed” when it is so obviously pre recorded and heavily auto tuned like girl... did u rly think this is how ppl sound while dancing intense choreo?? i-

[@stanhighqualityidols1551]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKSyppmvgqloqrM True mr removed

[@sandraadinda1996]

Ikr, when there's no breathing or panting at all when they're dancing so hard, obsessed fan be like "omg they're so stable singing live" live my ass 🤡

[@arrienejoyperucho6201]

that's why mamamoo dont like hard choreography.

[@lili.1313]

like in aespa black mamba mr removed everyone’s hyping it up when there’s no difference in the actual song and the stage performance

[@punkjunk1764]

pre record mr removed will clearly sounds like pre record though. the audio is smoother

[@river3561]

backtrack: Imma just be louder to be annoying Solar: Hold my mic

[@marynicoledelosreyesjutba6615]

While wearing this 👑

[@damatically]

Lmao she can pierce wheein's eardrums with her scream in those clipped vids

[@shirleyalfonso5547]

@@damatically Bruhhhhh🤣🤣🤣

[@hanifapril]

YG stan crying reading this comment

[@imdrowninghelp8975]

and this is why i stan mamamoo, snsd, and iu. vocal queens indeed.

[@bibi-s]

and dreamcatcher

[@fannnffan]

gfriend too

[@charred6683]

You might want to look into BVNDIT, they push extremely hard to not have their sound edited. It's really easy to find raw vocal videos of them. But as you can expect, they're not really popular, the machine does it's nasty job.

[@imdrowninghelp8975]

@@charred6683 I'll definitely look into them, thanks for the recommendations 🤗

[@imdrowninghelp8975]

@@bibi-s I've been wanting to check them outt, ill definitely do that when i have time

[@ronaiffah4053]

Solar, wheein, moonbyul, hwasa have amazing vocal and harmony. Why don't they trust her to sing it raw. And I love the trio of Taeyeon, Tiffany, and Seohyun, they've and amazing and strong vocal too. No need to use autotune

[@yurisurran9869]

I feel like during old K-pop days these editors weren't this obsessed with pitch fixing or excessive use of auto tune. Yes backing vocals existed in music show performances but you can still hear the idols singing and distinguish their voices from the backing track. These days there's too much obsession for perfection, even fans are guilty of this. Attacking idols for having their voices crack in an encore stage like do you expect the idol to sing professionally when celebrating their win while prolly goofing around? Or those calling Lia lazy with their WHOLE chests...

[@pinkribbon1007]

In Lee Suhyun first performance too! A lot of thought that Suhyun singing like this is 'unstable' It's a pity how fans always add to the problem by being overly demanding for no reason

[@yurisurran9869]

@@pinkribbon1007 first of all suhyun didn't train as an idol, she's an artist so like if she's unstable it should be normal cause she wasn't trained to be stable when singing while dancing. Besides she's an amazing singer like who would come for her skills, I was so mad when I saw such comments under her stage... Makes no sense -_-

[@JeremyThanaparamy]

This is for stop followers old less 😂

[@yurisurran9869]

@@JeremyThanaparamy fans just think these idols are Super natural beings, companies didn't start doing this madness on their own to chase old fans away, but to cater for the new fans unrealistic expectations

[@JKINgz786]

But some do not goof around but still not stable just standing and doing a wave but still not stable and even sounded off tune, I wonder what were they doing on their concerts?🤭

[@moonxrabbit]

I'm glad you showed Eunji's vocal, she's so underrated for non-Korean fans

[@chaiantoinnette1667]

preach!!! one of the best vocalists!

[@kamilah_abd]

Eunji is famous if those people stan kpop bfore 2013 i still remember her collaboration with yoseop

[@starfantasy_zptniss8659]

Oh no, she's my fav bae❤️❤️

[@rifkidya5954]

I don't know if it is fact or just my feeling as fans, but yeah i also feel in my country itself Eunji is soooo underrated. Don't know why though if i search reaction video of Eunji singing from various person especially from vocal teacher, she is mostly got compliments from them. But still, it is difficult to find person praise for her among my friend

[@kaonashispirit4289]

Theres a reason Taeyeon, Tiffany, MAMAMOO and IU have been at the top for so long. Nothing beats the real thing. Natural voices aren't manmade. Autotune makes everything sound the same and boring. So many singers in kpop songs sound identical because recording studios all use the same software. You can make plastic look pretty close to real diamond, but at it's core it's a cheap synthetic material that won't stand time.

[@candyy478]

TRUEEEE

[@farzanaislameva2328]

Agreed

[@hwasasthighs1411]

I can't even identify who's who in some groups

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@candyy478 uP

[@neonlights8642]

Mmm vocal queens indeed, snsd and iu set the standard

[@ffrai3094]

as an old kpop fan it's easy to tell when perfs are pre-recorded because it sounds nothing like when singing live was the norm in kpop 10+ years ago. but trying to explain this to new fans who insist their favs are always singing live is near impossible but this vid showed/reminded me that there's plenty of tricks tv shows can use even if the mics are on during the performance. there's a big middle ground between "fully lipsynced" and "full raw live" and you can never really trust what you hear lol even "live" performances in kpop these days are usually sung over a loud backtrack and they clearly fade in and out, letting the backtrack handle any difficult note. for the record i dont think there's anything wrong with this, kpop is way more dance and performance focused than it used to be. I'd rather they leave singing live to ballads and chill songs where they can sit or stand still

[@mocatastic26]

This!

[@nurulshuhaida9597]

fact this is why i left kpop industry and too many new faces but only beautiful face and voice i dont think they has good voive.

[@CJKpoprox]

Same, as a 2nd gen kpop fan, its easy to tell which perfs are pre-recorded. Back then, many idols still do their best to sing live, and most CAN and DO sing live with those hardcore dances (e.g. Infinite, TVXQ), now it really feels like no effort is put into doing that save for a few groups.

[@CJKpoprox]

@@nurulshuhaida9597 Same, it is also the reason why i quit kpop after the 3rd gen... visuals can only get you so far, and after seeing so many good visuals over the years, i got numb to it so visuals alone don't attract me. And once i noticed how many new releases sound more and more alike each other due to autotune, there's really nothing new to keep me in anymore. You know how people joke that kpop idols look similar to one another, well for me, it's more of how kpop idols sound like one another lol. At least in 2nd gen, each group had a special sonic identity because their vocals were more unique , no matter good or bad vocals. Now, it's mainly bad vocals autotuned to the same sound :/ These days, the only kpop artiste whom i still follow is IU. She sounds way better live, especially at her concerts, everything is live, be it the band or background vocals. Was a pleasure attending her concert in person back in 2019 :)

[@EsmeKH]

the official video for solar speechless cover is umbearable, like girl carried the whole song like the vocal queen she is and they did her so dirty in the editing.

[@purple7442]

and then the unbothered queen put up an acappella version on her youtube.

[@aleeeedavis]

Fan cams to the rescue. Damn! Her cover was so good that doesn't need any kind of changes. I mean, she's in Mamamoo. They're one of the groups with high quality vocals.

[@wheeiniewheepup709]

The back up vocals are too much in the video. Is that what they call MR? Like I can literally hear two voices of solar. It's obvious that they had a pre-recorded track and solar was singing live. I just can't understand why it was so loud. Weren't they informed that solar was singing live?

[@SJunhaC]

Its just crappy editing... like cgi you failed if the audience noticed it...

[@종숙타뷔]

1st and 2nd gen lacked autotune before that’s why they are a lot more stable compared to the newer gen idols. It’s pure experience they were trained that way

[@mcngotea3577]

Ur pfp is *chefs kiss*

[@cakatama9046]

Yes I remember that

[@sapphirewilliam6756]

@@mcngotea3577 couldn't agree more

[@bacon8559]

pfp is -chef's kiss-

[@cynthiafrans7003]

Omg finally someone said it! If I watch old SHINee and SNSD videos they sound more raw for sure than nowadays performance from the same music show

[@sevenbelledays7800]

That's why people shouldn't trust Mr removed or Be obsessed on showing which group is better than the other live 🙄🙄🙄 Just enjoy the music, for God sake.

[@catsmeow2750]

Ikr😭😭

[@jhacedomantay5837]

Autotune is fine for as long as they don't do a milli vannili

[@fermata_]

Right?! don’t even know why people still watch mr removed heh 😒

[@exoandbtsneedacollabtodisi3956]

especially with the really famous ones ;-; people try to find anything to hate on them for but then get upset when you tell them it dont matter or that the MR removed are fake ☹ they be like "yOu jUsT wOnT beLiEve yOur fAveS aRenT pErfEct aNd tHiS peRsOn is sO mUch bEtTeR." and I'm all like "I know they're not perfect and that's why I'm not judging them for something as dumb as an MR removed 😔

[@jossieannepantila9239]

Sadly, a lot of kpop fans measure talent from how stable they live singing is. Vocal stability measures more on stamina :(((

[@ledalove3039]

Solar's voice is just big, loud and powerful that it will always be a fight aginst backtrack.

[@Gtinker]

The thing is Sm trains their idols really well so I don’t understand why they don’t just trust that.

[@ANDSTONE100]

The point is to present an almost studio like performance, it's for the enjoyment of the viewers. You wouldn't listen to songs with poor intonation at certain parts, would you? It'll drag you out of your immersion.

[@katgreer6113]

@@ANDSTONE100 Well someone like me would. I've always preferred lives to the studio version. I love the voiecracks and all.

[@mynameisalexanderhamilton2862]

I prefer real than perfect performance. SM is too obssess with their image.

[@mavel2038]

@@ANDSTONE100 why would you pay to see a singer that is using a track you can find on YT instead of live vocals? It's pretty shitty to have them train for so long then get told they just have to lipsync.

[@ANDSTONE100]

@@mavel2038 Because this industry is more than just vocals, it is performance based, meaning the overall performance is more important. If you go see a ballad singer and they're lipsynching then you have every right to be annoyed but when it's idols who are going to be performing demanding choreographies? I don't know. When talking about these live shows that are edited for TV, the audience at the shooting experiences their raw vocals.

[@bigtoe422]

idols are extremely talented, but then companies and shows decide that using their breath and natural human reactions should be covered. I think the only thing I'm okay with is making it a bit more clear and making the mic a bit better, but when you change somebody's vocals, it's game over for your company man. we want real vocals and show the idol's true talent, we don't want pre-recorded unless it's quieter than the real vocal. Edit: I forgot to mention, especially with hard choreos, I'd understand, but then what's the point? I get it, it's hard and like it's extremely hard to be stable when doing so many jumps, turns, fast movements and popping, but then maybe cut down when doing extremely hard choreos? Like I'd skip out on a bit of dance for some vocals- And be human, You know? yeah, sorry. I couldn't get every thought down on here, but I don't think every part of backtracks are bad... just.. okay, I'm gonna finish here. It's difficult lol.

[@janiahsantos5673]

Ikr

[@efka4861]

The thing is, without backtrack or lipsync I don't think their stamina can catch up. Imagine dancing and singing in 3+ music shows all week during promotion while also attending other activities. I will definitely be dead if I were them 😔.

[@bigtoe422]

@@efka4861 I know, that's why I thought it'd be better if there was quiet backtrack. Also, they build up stamina overtime since they do this for a living. I definitely understand where you're coming from, and I would be so exhausted too, but I think they can definitely do it. I guess if the choreo is super hard, lip syncing is fine, but like yk😳

[@kristin123a]

You say that, but the fact is that this is done to all idols. Especially now that many do pre recorded apperances the auto tune is slapping you in the face.

[@bigtoe422]

@@kristin123a it's so upsetting and I just really get upset over this lol. Pre-recorded performances is so much worse than autotune considering they aren't even SINGING😔

[@소네무]

Autotune is the reason why there's so many GOOD Artists that are underrated. Shows keeps on editing even it was already good enough. And that's why hearing it personally is much better 😍😍

[@ranmori915]

I guess that's why some differentiate singers from idols .. but again some idols have a good vocals they just need to work on that instead of dancing in my opinion. It really hurts when you see a genuine artist with no recognition compared to them.

[@yestyongday]

There are a lot of great solo/ballad artists in Korea that are painfully underrated, same with k-bands

[@katya.g524]

using auto tune doesn’t make you a bad artist lol

[@meo_meow3556]

Yeah like the gOoD artist aren't using autotune when the video got edited. Even I admit the group I stan used autotune repeatedly even at their concert. But I still love them for making me happy. There's many good artist with good vocal and dance skills but it's not because they're underrated it was simply because they lacked exposure and promotion from the company that's why they only have a small crowd of fans. My point is DON'T blame the autotune for the gOoD aRtiSt being underrated. It's not entirely the company fault as well they lacked money to promote the group it's not anyone fault. Maybe because some people aren't meant to be famous.

[@katya.g524]

@@meo_meow3556 they refuse to see this

[@pratikshasil6456]

I'm already in love with Solar's voice but after hearing the fan cam of speechless it felt so heavenly 🥺❤️ She doesn't need any backtrack or auto tune her voice is already perfect ❤️

[@denisabagjana]

The sad part is when thay add breath to the pre recorded performance to clowned us

[@Emiis]

Yeah

[@duuzth527]

THIS!!!!!!!!

[@annadziekonska7366]

This!! It makes me annoyed because now it makes me wonder will we EVER see proper live performances? I know there are some ways to spot this like obvious crazy dancing means no perfect singing but if shows and companies keep adding little things like "breathing" to backing tracks then what is the point of performing at all? Just play the cd at this point ya know?

[@horanghaejunior6989]

YES SAD BUT TRUE

[@happysaxophone536]

@Bang me Chan sorry but i just have to comment this.. your username 😂

[@snailivs]

This does makes sense as to why whenever idols finish performing they’re hard on themselves because they think they’ve messed up and they probably did but when we see that performance it’s touched up so we don’t know

[@haifaboukhris6287]

OMG yesssss

[@beesbees1669]

I honestly have no idea how people could think music show performances are mostly live nowadays. It’s so obvious they aren’t singing live. There are no breathing/deep breaths, not even when jumping. When you watch the different performances on the music shows, groups can and will use the same prerecorded vocals. They do it all the time.

[@starlight1316]

But you still can see the groups which sing live. For example exo seventeen gugudan dreamcatcher

[@6idle4ever49]

that's why gfriend exist u can actually clearly hear their voices racing the backtracks not to mention its stable asf

[@beesbees1669]

@@6idle4ever49 @star light Yes, these groups have sang live, but they also use backing and prerecorded vocals. It is very normal. Gfriend, for example, for Apple promotions, they used prerecorded vocals for all music show and live performances.

[@dianacastor3059]

@@beesbees1669 it's hard to sing live you feel nervous.And our voice is shaking when we feel that (sorry for my bad english)

[@3riyanto]

@@starlight1316 almost all is pre recorded

[@angel_ssb5167]

i'm proud that cater 2 u wasn't autotuned. tts and the whole snsd, (well, including mamamoo) has the best vocals!!!

[@kookilenakkk8779]

Knowing Cater 2 U wasn’t autotuned makes it even greater... the harmonies, TTS’s voice are heavenly

[@nobody-ir3ut]

❤️❤️

[@witchjyru2045]

🥰

[@littlelier3630]

They existed a little before autotune(?) So they has some stamina...

[@fatimaannisa8155]

TTS doesn't need autotune, autotune needs TTS.

[@geramaecuartero5702]

Girls Generation doesn't need autotuned they can sing perfectly 😊😊

[@fadelengelen2217]

Thats why taeyeon doesnt like to perform on music show. Glad she has her own concert 💕💕

[@mysonetoliveinncityluviely6868]

Thats because she can earn money through concerts instead of pay broadcasting channels to appear on music shows. Why pay when ppl can pay you.

[@princesscastillo7392]

@@mysonetoliveinncityluviely6868 that's not it sm is the one who is paying taeyeon will get paid even just attending music shows that's her work as an artist after all, and also I think music show is just to promote the idols taeyeon has been at the industry for so long she doesn't need to perform at music show at all, taeyeon already said she felt so alone at waiting room and missing her members presence, that's why she prefer having a concert at different countries and perform in front of her fans who love her, attending awards show perform in front of so many people who is not even her fans make her uncomfortable bcz she's introvert and also for all the hate she got.

[@fadelengelen2217]

@@princesscastillo7392 my real SONE dont need to put "sone" word on their uname to prove that they are a real sone 💕💕

[@Superion74]

It's kind of disappointing when even a great singer like Solar was auto tuned in post production without her consent, because she killed the song with her amazing vocal skills. Kpop companies should let the idols sing naturally, instead of trying to present a flawless perception of the idols.

[@boba8206]

It was the program fault.

[@andsprite]

It's mostly the programs and the people behind the stages who auto tune and "fix" the performances. Not the companies.

[@chrsyllamarlene4473]

yeah

[@MayDawney]

I'll never get over Solar's voice. All of the MMM voices, actually. Seriously, no one should try to touch them up. Even if they miss a little, it makes their performence better--and they hit 99% of their notes anyway, so why bother?! Also 100% agreed on Ladida. All y'all sleeping on Everglow. Pfff. I do like that some music shows allow the winners to just rock with their mics int he after performance. Recent Thunderous performances by Stray Kids are a good example.

[@clarimm6675]

Anyone who's been to musicals and live concerts before should know that no matter how well trained a singer is, moving around while singing will take a toll on anyone's voice stability which is just normal

[@NurIzzati-yj2jt]

I mean it's logic and nowadays groups have crazy choreography, so it's quite impossible for them to sing live everytime

[@janiahsantos5673]

It can even damage your voice ,so if they sing while dancing a exhausting choreo it can strain their voices

[@jchongO2l1]

Yes, that's why artists stay still when tgey belt out really high notes

[@pterocardio]

@prettiest suji beyoncé should not be the standard you should compare everyone to... she has near perfect vocal technique and over two decades of experience. i love her but this comparison is inappropriate.

[@pterocardio]

exactly, which is why as someone who sings, I don't mind autotune/lipsyncing/backing tracks/pre-recorded vocals. people don't realize that these idols are extremely overworked and most of them don't have proper technique to be singing the notes they're hitting live WHILE dancing. i think people don't understand how serious the damage could be on these idols voices if they sang live ALL the time. a healthier voice that lipsyncs to their own pre-recorded vocals should be valued more than a damaged voice that sings live.

[@chihayaayase1299]

[LONG POST WARNING] Fans are biased and blind. Even the best vocalists would have hard time singing while dancing. But fans denying the fact and still defend them as 'perfect'. Even idols are human, and no human is perfect. I used to think idol should be good at everything: dancing, singing, variety, handsome/pretty. But it's not realistic. That's why idol groups have positions. Members good at singing be the main vocalists, members good at dancing be the main dancers, handsome/pretty members be the visuals. Everyone contribute to the group differently. But it does bother me when I listen to heavily 'fixed' or 'edited' performance. Whether 'cuz of the loud backtracks, autotune, smoothing, doubling, etc. It's just so common I became so conditioned to it, and I start to not know how to differentiate real live vs touched up vocal anymore. Anyway I'm so happy there's still someone like you who are a fan, but remains objective. 99% of fans these days are just delusional. And they're ready to come to you anytime if you touch their God/idol. Even when u just telling the truth/fact. Maybe if you plan to make another video like this, can you also explain the different method to edit/fix/touch up a vocal? Such as auto tune, smoothing, doubling, etc? We heard them but many probably doesn't even understand what they really are and how they work. THANK YOU!

[@agathahyrs3943]

I agree

[@tofu6190]

Exactly! One time and I watched a video of a concert stage that was mr removed, their voices were shaky as hell but that's understandable because of their choreography. So many comments on it were saying "Wow!" ****'s voice is so stable! We stan a queen" like seriously? Y'all deaf or sum?

[@simsgazytech2013]

For my case because i am in NCT FANDOM. Some nctzen itself are denial if we said taeil and doyoung often lost breath with intense choreography. Those autotunes help them to reach high notes. Everybody know NCT main vocal has amazing voice but it's natural loose your breath during intense dance. If i said chenle , Xiaojun and haechan are the best in singing while dancing in intense choreography. Most nctzen feel offensive. I often come to concert outside kpop, i know which backtracked & autotuned. which sing live. Actually there are barely backtracked performance from singer from my country so i know the differences. People should know a super popular singers who have great vocal techniques ( even someone whith whistling register) always have different performance for same song ( because they sing live). Most Kpop singer use backtracked and autotunes. They have super hectic schedule and i understand.

[@thiennhat9150]

@@simsgazytech2013 true. Even I am a NCTZENS I still believe that Chenle is the most stable one while sing live not Doyoung or Taeil but nah...¯\_(ツ)_/¯let them think what they want. Chenle has many experiences while sing live from a very young age so STAN TALENT MAN.

[@jwthhw4241]

some fans love to insist that what they are hearing is raw, live vocals when it was clearly edited/pre recorded. like NO ONE can sing with a stable voice while dancing 3-4mins straight. its not humanly possible, seriously... i dont get whats going on in people's minds. it always annoys me how people think that showing off "live vocals" means they are automatically better than those who lipsync/use auto tune. in the end, the voices in the songs you hear ARE STILL THEIR VOICES, its just heavily edited and will continue to be no matter how good the singer is. to me, theres no need to be able to sing with a stable voice while performing to prove their talent. because its obvious they are talented by the fact that they debuted, out of many other trainees.

[@sarahrahrahrahrahrah]

the king of the masked singer clips were so good, i don’t understand why they would want to fix them

[@jeremyblack1929]

I was AT Kcon LA 2019 when Solar gave that performance of Speechless. It freaking rocked. The fact that they went back and decided to 'fix' it ... it honestly leaves me... Speechless.

[@iamsokyut]

was there too and it gave me goosebumps. the dude sitting next to me was a solar stan and he just can't stop yelling. well, who can blame him. that was one of the highlights of the night. i remember that dude telling me after solar's performance, that is why i stan her. hard not to agree.

[@nuimee5884]

6:00 About the Japanese market in general: live music and "natural" voices have a much higher value in Japan to this day. They have a huge rock scene that lives and dies with concerts, so it's no surprise, but it carries over into other genres too. When I started listening to KPop I had to learn how to recognize a back-track, lip-syncing and touched-up vocals because I spent years listening almost exclusively to Japanese music (J-Rock and it's sub-genres mostly) and that has never been a prominent issue to me before. Some of most played tracks are live-recordings, and if they were touched-up (which they probably are somewhat, since professional recordings always do some kind of studio magic) I still can't tell.

[@nfspbarrister5681]

Well, the 1st time i heard k-pop back in 1999, i still hear them fine and like any other music industry. But oh boy, starting in 2005, they sounds "plastic" as hell! This is why i really have hard time to want to listen to the "2nd" or what next gen korean wave, and prefered k-rock or the non mainstream artist. It just iffy...

[@sanjana6873]

In India too... Whenever indian singer have concert they always do live singing with their band member and chores member... I too prefer live singing not auto tune..

[@MyawMyaw01]

That is so true! I listen more to Japanese rock bands and soloists and they do like singing naturally. Kpop used to be better in the 90s and early 2000 and almost everyone sounded real, SES sang without autotune. Today's kpop vocals are saturated with pitch correction and autotune everyone sounds the same even the singing style is the same.

[@iwbdn4126]

When you're a Moomoo and you trust your Mamamoo at the highest place. Also, Eunji is a queen!

[@twinkletwinkle7089]

And Taeyeon too

[@YoyoYo-xq1so]

Finally someone noticed Eunji😤😤

[@bulanratuparamitha2941]

Yes Eunji is one of the best female vocalist that South Korea have in this generation. Along with Taeyeon, Solar, Wheein, Wendy, Yuju, Ailee, IU, Su Hyun, Lee Hi. Their voice are amazingly BEAUTIFUL.

[@bulanratuparamitha2941]

🦄🦁🐯🐖🐂🦌🐖🐃🐷🦌🐫😎😎🙂😎😎😎😎😎😎😃😃😃😃😎😎😃😃😎😃☺️😃😎😃😎😃😅😘😍

[@Happypanda0419]

Eunji doesnt need autotune she is a queen!!!

[@josherlee]

TaeTiSeo’s cover performance of “Cater To U” barely touched up, because SNSD have live vocal queens. It’s no surprise “Cater To U” performance was barely touched up.

[@bangtanite6308]

What is the meaning of 'barely touched up' ? Sorry I'm dumb

[@danacharellelacuesta4775]

@@bangtanite6308 not like heavily edited.

[@bangtanite6308]

@@danacharellelacuesta4775 ahh ok i get it now Thanks

[@seamelody509]

Its not even edited

[@obsessed2754]

The TTS cover of Cater 2 U, Taeyeon's Rain when she was sick but still performed so well and SNSD's Goodbye are performances by SNSD in sketchbook that proved how these girls made it through talent (along with personalities and visuals).. They just dont sing (just to show the point of live singing) but they know how to sing with technique and class. I miss SNSD in sketchbook.

[@defiantaichi]

This is why mamamoo and iu are so respected . They even have casual fans , and amazing brand value

[@windyday6850]

I mean, it's not like Mamamoo don't use backtracks. Did you forget Solar slipping up and gasping in Queendom while she continued to singing in the background lol.

[@luhuttuhul3411]

Why including mamamoo,, please they are not on the same level as IU,, IU never lipsync But mamamoo did lipsync in some live stage

[@jestico9723]

@@luhuttuhul3411 Can you say which one? Entertain us moomoos please < 3

[@maku636]

@@luhuttuhul3411 that was one performance because of technical issues. they said it themselves, they prefer singing live over lipsyncing because they know they’re the worst at lipsyncing lol and Hwasa hates when her mic’s low and she can’t hear herself over the backtrack so she tries to sing louder. they’re the best 3rd gen female vocal group and that is a fact that even non-fans acknowledge. so why are you salty? i’d understand if you were offended because they mentioned IU with a group that can’t sing... but that’s not the case isn’t it? 😆

[@defiantaichi]

@@luhuttuhul3411 of course they lip sync. They dance too. No one can sing live perfectly with dancing. And their chores have become very complicated over time. But. And a very big but, their live performances are insanely good and refined. These girls can start singing anywhere anytime and it sounds the same as their official releases.

[@MaruMaruPoyo]

What I find annoying are people who comment blindly like... "yOuR'E JuSt a HaTeR tHeY oBvIOuSly SiNg LiVe"

[@eggeshroom]

I once commented on BTS's performance in gma and I replied to someone "They are singing live, but you can clearly hear that some high notes are touched up for better effect",and I got at least 5 replies saying "lmao bts are kings they don't need fucking autotune this is completely live and your favs can't do that". Like I never said they don't sing live, but if you record yourself singing into a microphone you don't get this kind of audio with no breathing

[@poppagBallZ97]

@@eggeshroom I hope you’re okay

[@poppagBallZ97]

@@eggeshroom those people who said those things to you are delusional. Let them fall into their delusion, there’s no point in even trying to give them proof, cuz they will never accept it. But I hope you’re okay. I know it’s people on the internet, but it could still get to you. 😞

[@IdontknowanymoreRomeo]

Search SB19(a ppop group-PilipinoPop) they dont know whats lipsyncing and autotune

[@lilyxx5679]

@@IdontknowanymoreRomeo yeah syempre 😆

[@efka4861]

Also let's just not compare the vocalists of 'older gens', but also the choreography... It's getting more and more acrobatic like every year, IDEK anymore. This is because yall audiences gets more excited with special stages of dancers with difficult movement and props compared to a person standing still singing ballad. And for the record, I'm not against auto tune, back track, or splendid choreography. My point was merely do not expect perfect vocals while doing heavy choreo. As much as you train, jumping and shits would still have effects on your breathing, it's only natural.

[@skateboardz3150]

if i wanted to watch someone stand still singing i could just listen to the audio

[@TheFlowerbeast]

@@skateboardz3150 Aw, I'm so sorry then your attention span is comparable to a toddler's

[@efka4861]

@@skateboardz3150 that is quite disrespectful towards ballad singers 🤷🏻‍♀️. I am not saying they all have to just stand still, it's just if you wanna see hard choreo don't expect them to sing properly while dancing to them.

[@Correctgistlover]

This!

[@krissyofcourse]

Yeah for straight ballads there is no reason for backing tracks or auto tune. If NCT U or Everglow wants to lip sync so they can dance balls to the wall honestly I'm ok with it. 🤷‍♀️

[@niniverse.___]

This is why I'm obsessed with groups like Mamamoo, Stray Kids or BTOB, they're kings and queens of live performance

[@odd.3y3]

I honestly feel kinda sorry for the singers.. they train for years and years and are super talented and then these companies just step in and are like "nah fam that's not enough" like wth I want to see you jump around on a stage and sound 100% flawless

[@karenfong3555]

SNSD GIRLS’ GENERATION TTS is no joke

[@amrinellie]

i think taesic (taeyeon and jessica) blends more. cause Tiffany and Seohyun has a powerful voice, when when they try to harmonize, they doesn't complement each other, they are like battling because they're voice are powerful. Sica is angelic, her voice is angelic but can belt high notes that angelic too.

[@lifetimesone108]

100% FACTS

[@danicacielo4327]

FACTS!!

[@eiidecember5899]

@@amrinellie uhm, i love jessica but i think jessica is heavily autotuned and pitchy of she dont use one

[@harry3297]

Agree. I guess, she's not training her voice now because her vocals became so weak. But back in the days, she's supporting almost as high as taeyeon.

[@christianwibowo6420]

i attended taeyeon's concert and i prefer her live singing wayyyyy more than recorded version

[@breakmyredvelvet9530]

well that's she's TAEYEON

[@jocelynarizona7735]

How lucky`

[@paupauu16xiao]

This is why ITZY is at the top of my list when it comes to live performances especially in the 4th gen. Aside from their comeback stages, their recent performances during Gayos and Award Shows prove that you can give them a hard choreo but they will eat it while singing LIVE. I just love watching them because it seems like a lot of 4th gen groups are comfortable with MRs and lipsynching. It’s not about the difficulty of the choreography, but the technique you use and your confidence in delivering your songs. So kudos to them! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I don’t know a better 4th gen girl group than them, truly an ace in this industry. Also, special mention to STAYC! They’re also a league of their own. I can’t help but watch their videos or tune in whenever I see them on music shows and other shows. In a world full of lipsynching, they’re singing live! Can’t wait to see them flourish even more.

[@ashketchum302]

Their songs are not that hard to sing compared to other 4th gen groups that serve vocals.

[@paupauu16xiao]

@@ashketchum302 fair enough but the complexity of the song means nothing if they can’t perform it live 😬 dancing even with an easy song to sing is hard if you don’t have the proper technique.

[@marylizz6992]

Purple kiss quite good too

[@suranjanadutta1840]

@@ashketchum302 Itzy's choreography is quite hard and at least they try to put up a good performance with vocals.

[@thespankmyfrank]

@@ashketchum302 Honestly, if other groups' songs are too hard to sing live, they're not the right songs for said groups. Itzy has their own vibe and right sound for them, and they can do it with hard choreo. That just means it's the perfect songs for them.

[@dccc9133]

Kpop fans to lipsync and prerecord idol performance “OMG they’re so stable” like wtf

[@chanyeollololo636]

This!

[@naritruwireve1381]

It's even funnier when the idols are doing hardcore choreo and the audio is so perfect, you don't even hear breathing lol or those pops with P's, S's, B's etc usual mics without a pop filter have

[@true-mrremoved656]

I hate the fact they thought its live because 'yOu cAN heAr thEiR bREaTh'..

[@hurrycat9538]

Ikr that's why i always look for fancams

[@shiningyoonie]

@@true-mrremoved656 lol yeah, like breathing doesn’t seem to exist in the studio or what

[@wanisani1723]

There's this one stage of Suhyun performing Alien where she didn't use any backup track at the beginning and you can heard her raw voice and breathing but all the people comment section commented "she sounded nervous at the beginning" lol sweeties, that's live vocal😭

[@njarasoarumpf8464]

She sounds nervous though but thats cute

[@S_T_fania]

i know it was live but she still sounded nervous. at the beginning her voice cracked but after a while she sang perfectly so i tough that she must have been nervous because it's her first solo debut

[@SARACHAN20]

people need to wake up and recognize between real voice and autotune 😭

[@sugaringcandy3621]

The conclusion is, it is impossible to sing really well while dancing a hard choreography, even for the best singer in the industry Edit: bc some people don't get what i mean. It's because the editors would still edit their voice anyway, no matter how perfect the vocal is.

[@calit5109]

exactly, and it pisses me off that the kpop industry is trying to "trick" us into thinking that it is possible. it's literally not. and when ppl try to back their favs up saying "you can clearly hear their breathe on the mic" like yes!! they pre-edited that too! editors are getting better and better at making it seem like it's real when it really isn't. ugh don't talk to me im sad :'(

[@sweetdanii09]

It is possible. A lot of 2 generations did it. It was super fun watching them sang and heard their breathing and learnt how hard they worked to sound so similar. It's a shame today they autotune good singers

[@violettofan5828]

A👏🏻men 👏🏻si👏🏻ster

[@ignacia3628]

You can even notice on musical theatre, they train like hell for decades, all of their careers, but you are still able to hear breathing and panting because is totally normal even for the most professionally trained person

[@sugaringcandy3621]

@@ignacia3628 oh yeah I really love watching musicals! speaking of it, the thing that makes me love it is how the actors and actresses improve some of their parts to maintain good performance while they need to dance, and i think that's how a performance should be. In this case i hope kpop music show editors could stop editing their beautiful voices. so we can see idols do that kind of stage improvisation cuz that's what makes it called a work of art.

[@roter13]

Everyone knows that the vocals on "King of Masked Singer" are tweaked a lot. All of these singers suddenly sound amazing on that show when they mostly sound ok everywhere else.

[@ash8802]

6:00 _"the Japanese songs are closer to their REAL Vocals"_ that's why I keep telling people that if you want to hear ur faves real vocals u should check their Japan live performance Japanese hates Lip syncing and _Manufactured_ vocals.

[@_.s1ngularityyy._393]

Nice erwin pfp

[@AlpacaPiola]

It depends, they usually sell blue ray heavily autotuned from what i experienced as a jpop fan

[@clarkchavez9276]

not exactly since some j artist used autotune as well.

[@mei42na]

@@AlpacaPiola on dvds and bluray, it’s forgivable but during live shows, no artist in japan would dare. In japan, it’s either you’re a good singer or a mediocre one. It’s that straightforward.

[@tannedpotato5375]

Akb48,Nogizaka46,and more popular jpop idols all lip-sync lol wtf u even talking about?

[@noorsharmezamusa]

with solar and mamamoo we trust . "clearly some idols like solar dont need any post work done" yes talent ❤❤ and ofc eunji ❤

[@moonsunmichaengisthegayest177]

Yeah! ❤

[@lilkittykat3214]

That's why I hate AESPA's latest comeback. I love the song, but every live performance is using prerecording. The later ones started letting them sing live more, but still heavily relied on prerecording. Like, those girls are talented and it just feels like a slap in the face at how hard the company is trying to make them seem non human

[@Jo-lk2xk]

ahh same.. i've been looking to their live performances where they sing live cos their vocals are damn good but i can't find anything.

[@yanicles7084]

Finally!! Someone said it! Im so tired seeing people commenting on how "good" they sing on live performances when it's actually pre-recorded : (((

[@shinyuen3768]

same :(

[@liangchuzhang]

Even the only stage of them singing live, the Music Core encore, has a very heavy backtrack, I really can't...I know encore stages of this TV station always have it but their raw vocal was even edited into a two-channel earphone track like wtf? Why can't SM just let us hear them sing properly?

[@lilkittykat3214]

Edit: I also hate the latest comeback for the same reason. The dance is good, but even in the encore stage, it sounded very heavily reliant on pre-recording (you can hear an almost doubled on so many parts). Like, come on SM, let them sing live.

[@shopiayay]

Sketchbook's most viewed live is a legend for a reason...SNSD>

[@eirai1z]

For me it's okay to hear my idols breathing hard on the mic and seeing them panting while performing. I understand and like it if I see them miss notes, have cracked vocals, don't hit the same notes, cause I know that they are doing their best to perform live for their fans, rather than just look good in the camera and look good for their fans.

[@ivson8362]

i really like what you said but sadly there are many haters out there who anticipates even the slightest mistake in a performance just to drag idols down :

[@eirai1z]

@@ivson8362 True. They just randomly do that now.

[@horololo4344]

I remember jongdae telling that they had to practice breathing out down rather than straight because the mic will catch it while dancing.

[@eirai1z]

@@horololo4344 where? I wanna see too.

[@horololo4344]

@@eirai1z one of his solo interview/ variety shows I think. Or radio star. 😅😂

[@IntranoM]

Autotuning singing competitions is just ridiculous.

[@IdontknowanymoreRomeo]

Search SB19(a ppop group-PilipinoPop) they dont know whats lipsyncing and autotune

[@lme918]

@@IdontknowanymoreRomeo just stop, seriously

[@qq-st9xo]

@@IdontknowanymoreRomeo lol I'm an SB19 fan but you guys need to stop bringing them to random discussions. Don't make it embarrassing to our fandom.

[@lisaesthetic353]

*Says that louder*

[@nct_yah7206]

@@IdontknowanymoreRomeo no

[@nM-hv3tz]

That Solar's cover of speechless is true. Thank Gos she posted her raw version in her yt channel.

[@叶清璇]

Ive noticed this multiple times in live K-pop performances..you know what gave it away? It was TOO perfect to be real. I wonder whether they know that people can tell whether it's live or edited

[@SapiaNt0mata]

since autotune has gotten worse and people are like "they eat CD for breakfast" when they hear the autotune version they do believe that people cannot tell that it's autotune so they keep being more aggressive.

[@lightbubba]

Solar really said she won't be silenced, I'mma sing live even with that loud ass backtrack.

[@elihsueh7483]

Finally someone who's talking about this. I'm soooo sick of people complimenting their artist live performances saying "how good their live vocals are" dkdkakdn Im not saying they arent amazing but if you're going to compliment their live vocals do it when they are actually singing live wlfkwkndnkek

[@zeoceania2765]

That's why we should go to concerts!

[@91teffi]

@@zeoceania2765 twice still lypsinc in their concert thou

[@maytheforcebewithu792]

"Wow they are stable" while they were singing in "safe" technique and tone😂

[@91teffi]

@@maytheforcebewithu792 must be kid or teenager fan

[@elihsueh7483]

@@maytheforcebewithu792 "wow they stable" singing a super high now like doing a tripple flip on the air. Sure. Thats def them singing.

[@lmllml8630]

Eunji always gets pissed when the bakctrack is louder than her mic, so she sings louder just to let others know they sing live specially at outdoor performances..

[@cutienyra6395]

This is so true

[@princessnicolesangabriel731]

Remember when she sang her part higher in moment? So good

[@multitrash9945]

@@princessnicolesangabriel731 yassssss

[@staycbodyguard2739]

and now... there's STAYC who consistently do live singing with minimal to zero backtrack or autotune while dancing around and still stable af. :))

[@planetambience8462]

Another thing I like about stayc’s live performances is that you can clearly hear when the backtrack kicks in so you really know they’re singing live for most if not all of it

[@ne_etb]

In the case of MAMAMOO , they purposely don't sing some lines in order to show that sometimes autotone is being used to strengthen the singing , but trust me never in my life have I seen girls with such perfect vocals . If you remove the MR in their songs the singing is on point.

[@flyingdordish1160]

I noticed they do that but I didn't know the reason till now. Thanks!

[@angelicasevilla7574]

in my opinion Mamamoo has best female vocals in kpop esp. Solar and Hwasa. They can kill a song even in live.

[@Whee1ndmud]

@@angelicasevilla7574 the four of the can sing. Wheein is considered as one of the best singer among gg members

[@kittykat248100]

i’m like 99% sure they were the only group actually singing live on queendom

[@Whee1ndmud]

@@kittykat248100 honestly I don't think I'm entitled to judge anyone but I do prefer to stan groups who I know can sing live

[@le96g]

Singer: *breaths between notes* TV channels: absurd

[@danichayasminiglea962]

It's not lip singing. It's lip syncing.

[@ronaldo_spider7930]

@@danichayasminiglea962 ? How does that tie into this comment..?

[@bibliboo]

Honestly, the sub group "tts" was such a great release and the best decision. Seohyun, Taeyeon, and Tiffany vocals put together is *chefs kiss*

[@seasonsoflove9507]

When talking about TTS specifically I know that a lot of the attention is catered to Taeyeon and Tiffany, but I think it’s time to start appreciating Seohyun too. Not only is she a superb vocalist, but she acts like the glue in both SNSD and TTS as her harmonies quite literally guide her members, and honestly I think her role is extremely vital to the group. Just wanted to throw out some Seohyun appreciation out there as she’s my bias and she deserves every bit of love for her amazing singing voice :)

[@syalalasyalalala686]

Cater 2 U shows their vocals really well. Three of them have really really really nice harmony that actually been showed by not only them, but all 9 of Girls generation members but we tend to miss out.

[@natashabelus4072]

Seohyun is my Bias.

[@chestermeoww]

Thank you for this honestly T_T Some of my friends didn't like Seohyun being in TTS because they think she stole Jessica's place, but they overlook how talented she is and how cohesive she makes their performances

[@linacaromina]

She is also my bias I love everything about her and her voice...

[@ggsooyoun]

I'm not surprised Cater 2 U wasn't touched up much 1) TTS are vocal QUEENS 2) They're sitting down. With no physical exertion, they can really focus on their vocals and there's no dancing or running or jumping to worry about

[@lifetimesone108]

Number one is a total agree but number two is not the reason of great vocals i mean so many groups sit to focus on singing but they still suck

[@ggsooyoun]

@@lifetimesone108 I wasn't saying anything about other groups tho, just TTS. It's just a fact that since they're sitting down, they're gonna sound better than if they were doing acrobatics across the stage.

[@wabalaka1565]

They are snsd vocal line I dont expect anything less than that

[@almilall]

@@lifetimesone108 sitting is not best position to sing...

[@kelvinnam2206]

@@almilall yea true, standing is the best position

[@beingme._.eilonwy4571]

This upsets me because I don’t watch an artist to hear them sing “perfectly” because that’s just unrealistic. I want to hear them. I love to sing and setting these expectations for singers is toxic. It scares me how perfect they expect these artists to be

[@haoh3711]

SM main vocals, solar when singing ballad dont really need autotune....and eunji actually wants to be a vocal trainer not an idol so she can hit almost all the notes correctly.

[@-notso-savage675]

No she was a vocal trainer then become an idol

[@Vanessa_tiny]

@@-notso-savage675 no she wasn't. Eunji's original dream was to become a vocal trainer but she didn't was one. But Solji fro. EXID was one before becoming a member. She was their vocal trainer but after two or three members left (I don't remember) they asked her to join. But Eunji's vocals are no joke too. I still hope for a collab between solji and eunji ^^

[@nayushin3354]

Proud of my 5 girlies whose vocals are constantly attacked by kpoppies but are singing live as much as they can (overpowering the backtrack) wherever and whenever the show is straight from their debut. Watching ITZY perform delights many Midzys.

[@mayinthemoonlight]

i can't even distinguish autone to the artists' actual singing voice unless i watch their fancams or where their live voice is noticeably louder and the voice is just consistent w their movement... that's why i just prefer fancams and their concert stages. the artists also feel livelier and more human?? ig it just gives the performance more justice.

[@16kma]

exactly, this just shows how brainwashed most of us are that it gets to the point that we think that the auto tune is live vocals, we've heard so many life live performances that are actually auto-tuned it's just so crazy.

[@zeoceania2765]

I agree, it gives a real feel to the song

[@Amy-wx4rs]

you can ‘train’ your ears by listening to a lot of live singing and by comparing fancams and the lip-synced/auto-tuned version. Two things I can say is: 1. If there is a long note and it sounds weirdly stable with no shaking or changes in dynamics it’s mostly auto-tuned and 2. if there are riffs or just a note change which sounds robotic and just TOO on tune, it’s auto-tuned (or the singer is incredibly talented). If you actively try to pinpoint auto-tune you will slowly start to hear the typical auto-tune sound. Hope it helps

[@raynielbatac2557]

The thumbnail got me nervous a bit, but good thing TTS' Cater 2 U, that's a gem there. EDIT: woow so many likes

[@strawberryc1284]

Same dude I was reluctant at first coz I was thinking "There's no way, SNSD's vocal line are unbeatable.

[@biteme9505]

i already thought its a clickbait from miles away LOL

[@adimasmaulana7143]

TTS Cater 2 u is superior

[@JeremyThanaparamy]

This is for stop few delivery less 😂

[@maxinejijiii]

Sameeee I was about to throw punches in comment section 😂

[@bysh9077]

SNSD-TTS are the standard for all girl group sub-units. PERIOD

[@mayhemark]

LOUDER SO THE WORLD COULD HEAR

[@njoodj1267]

Finally someone who is responsible and logic . Always i was thinking how their voices are stable when they are jumping and dancing strongly

[@andreadelpozo4484]

"Cater 2 u" and SNSD in general as iconic vocals.

[@lilyikari]

Eunji slaying everytime during live shows, it's effortless for her.

[@lalalila9628]

Queen 👑❤️

[@simpleme1734]

I think no one has realize how important this is especially to aspiring singers. This is not just common to kpop, but in western shows as well (x-factor, got talent etc.). It’s creating a fake sense of reality that they are all perfect, not missing a single note for every performance when they don’t. It’s normal to miss a few notes, to not start on cue. And since even the slightest mistake gets corrected to sound perfectly, it fuels insecurity to aspiring singers that they are lacking, that their skills are lacking

[@dibidibidibi]

This comment should be pinned! It is not simply about aesthetics and pleasing the audience. There are many people who look up to these "singers", perfect vocals is not always possible, leave while dancing. Perfection is an illusion and chasing it will only damage their confidence.

[@yoongisgirlfriend9302]

Yeah sometimes I feel like my vocals aren't good enough bcs I can't sound like idols no matter how hard I practice💔When I watch fan cams it sounds almost identical to how I do it..So they should let real vocals shine..........

[@yoongisgirlfriend9302]

@@dibidibidibi My whole life explained in a youtube comment.

[@eyexan6021]

Its the exact same with Bts and their fans, Bts use live pitch correction and it makes some of their fans believe its a raw live, with all that dancing and movement and every live sounding the exact same. People are forgetting what true lives sound like these days.

[@yoongisgirlfriend9302]

@@eyexan6021 exactly.

[@v4mpyss]

its rare for idols to actually sing live imo. its easy to mess up no matter how good of a singer u are, and their company wouldnt want that image for their groups

[@SapiaNt0mata]

"its rare for idols to actually sing live imo" yes, but not for the reason you said. now they focus more into dancing instead of vocals so they use autotune and lipsync to cover the mehhhhh vocals. watch Wheein - Ohoo special. she sing live without holding a microphone and yet she sounds amazing. do you know who's not afraid to sing live? a singer with talent

[@JiaPia3]

Solar is a *maniac* omg I never knew just how talented she was. Wow 🤩

[@NguyenAnh-ld3xv]

She's not a strong leader of a vocal-based woman group for nothing lol. But hey, thank you for your lovely compliment!

[@小玲-m1i]

You should check out her group MAMAMOO 😅😅 they are a true VOCAL POWERHOUSE, the members are Wheein Hwasa and Moonbyul

[@SapiaNt0mata]

Mamamoo members are trained vocalists that don't need autotune. watch Wheein - Ohoo special where she doesn't even hold a mic and it's just her pure raw voice.

[@JiaPia3]

Oh man, a year later, and I stan Mamamoo so much! Thanks for the encouragement and kind words ❤️🥰

[@Daniel-zg4ox]

Altho SM is mostly pre-recorded, i feel like they still sing live its just drowned out by the backing music and vocals, idk about NCT U but Baekhyun pretty much danced while singing live for Candy

[@mysonetoliveinncityluviely6868]

Nct did live too but obviously not the chorus part and with a backtrack too for non-vocalist. Basically its the same for all sm artists.

[@sabrinan.4640]

I was thinking exactly about this live, it looked so real like maaan.

[@miguelgonzales5686]

sm reserves all the lives in their concerts that's why it's mostly sold out

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

Yes but that’s the problem u say they sing but the backing track is much louder meaning u cannot hear them sing so how do u know it’s live...I hate to compare but I must with BTS I hear backing tracks but u can clearly hear them singing live the breathing the cracks when they are trying to catch their breaths and they do an amazing job...however I still think that the group that do lips sync are still really good i mean let’s face it it’s freaking hard to sing dance bring ur stage presence and charisma...everyone works hard

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

@Egg Headass EXO And EXO-L yes but to say I can sing and dance to then go and lip sync because u can sing just not well while ur dancing is kinda idk that just don’t sit well with me but like u said it’s a matter of preference that’s y I Stan BTS when they get on that stage they always leave me like daannnnnggg they did that they just DELIVERED 💜...I still appreciate other artist like I like stray kids and other kpop songs but there is just no other group that captures me like BTS...once again I still believe that all these groups in all the companies have amazing talent 💜 it’s just a matter of preference ...stay blessed and have a good day

[@Artemis.94]

My favorite part is when stans scream "They ate the cd!" In the comments when it's so obvious it's not live singing

[@lia-rh7qj]

lol so accurate

[@StephanieMRM]

"They ate the CD!" Bruh, they're literally _playing_ the CD

[@chrsyllamarlene4473]

ikr 😆

[@xhiwhee]

Like they ate CDs alright lwnjdidjd

[@rocimeuzunaru3541]

@@StephanieMRM but it's true that there are some artists who are singing live. It's obvious what's a live singing from not.

[@reunion_k9375]

I love small imperfections in live performances.