Avengers: Age of Ultron - Sibling Rivalry

[@MagoDSnowman]

Ultron was the greatest marvel movie villain yet. Funny and scary at the same time. Plus he is a real boy.

[@w0joshcbrln0w]

Mago The Snowman Per-So-Na

[@miguelrealp]

Mago The Snowman No, he just was the cliché villain that want to destroy humans because humans pollute, humans kill, humans make wars, human = bad. Not any character development at all. Not even close to Loki

[@dporiua]

Loki was good ,but IMO ultron was more interesting.

[@UchaNekome]

miguelrealp Loki was no better. He had no reason to hate humans other than. "Brother likes them? I don't like him so Imma kill em all!" Don't get me wrong I love Loki, but only when he's not trying to act as if he can dictate the human race because he becomes an even BIGGER cliche. Because Ultron doesn't hate humans because they=bad. He hates them because they are unevolved and imperfect. It didn't come across well but still a better motive than. "I'm better than you are!"

[@Jstar300]

miguelrealp He believed that humanity needed to become stronger. In his eyes, a mass extinction event would wipe out all of the weak. At least that's what I got.

[@paradoxacres1063]

I know a lot of critics are starting to _really_ hate the MCU superhero movies (and are choosing _Age of Ultron_ as the hill they'll die on), but..I think this movie, at the very least, proves you can have both good action AND good characters & good writing. This movie has *3 huge action sequences* and still manages to have a lot of good character moments. It hits all of the emotional beats and that's something.

[@Aeradom2000]

Paradox Acres Yeah, I for one am really shocked that the movie is getting as low (granted 75% isn't THAT low in comparison to most movies) as it has when really, you can boil this movie down to the fact it's Avengers with more character development. Critics piss me off sometimes because really, had a certain person died in this movie, (the one you thought would die but then gets saved) this would be in the 90%. I think that's just cheap, but it really is how a lto of critics think.

[@apocalyptikkat1001]

This was, quite honestly, one of my favourite Marvel movies simply for its complex characters and themes and, of course, the incredible action sequences. As I was watching the movie I kept asking myself what movie the critics that gave it negative feedback were watching. I loved everything about this film except for Quicksilver's death which pissed me off immensely.

[@paradoxacres1063]

ApocalyptikKat I honestly don't know what those critics (the ones who _hated_ this movie) were thinking, but..it seems like they're directing all of their superhero-movie-hatred towards _Age of Ultron_. Maybe I'm a fanboy but that doesn't seem fair. As one critic pointed out (in response to anti-Marvel sentiment) : _"It's a critic's job to engage the movie, not whine against its very existence"_.

[@lunasperidot8760]

ApocalyptikKat No spoilers man!!!!

[@SQIRLDARKKON]

Paradox Acres I'm a Batman fan first and marvel second, but I thought the movie was fine. The only complaint I have is the tone in the MCU is getting repetitive.

[@Changeling9000]

"Ultron isn't scary." This is a villain who destroyed his own face.

[@rublygrubly]

I know right! That scared the fuck out of me.

[@Jackendo]

Let's not forget that Ultron has teeth. Fucking. Teeth.

[@dmcdarkknight]

It said 12+

[@AlexGamerKid]

He ripped himself in half

[@AlexGamerKid]

Chopped off a guys arm

[@Morec0]

I love Ultron more than any Marvel villain so far - yeah, even Loki. Loki was good, but I just found Ultron to be SO much more entertaining for some reason. Probably because of the idea of "here you have this big bad scary robot guy and he's sort of joking around, apologizing after cutting a guy's arm off, ect." It's hilarious and just a LOT of fun.

[@Aeradom2000]

Morec0 Now you said "Marvel villain", I'm assuming then you are saying that Ultron is better than Fisk?

[@Morec0]

Damian Clark To the extent I've forgotten who Fisk is.

[@albertocruzado2899]

Morec0 Ultron es genial, estoy de acuerdo. Muy divertido, pero habia momentos en que me daba hasta pena, el pobre. Era un incomprendido.

[@Aeradom2000]

Morec0 Netflix Daredevil series?

[@Morec0]

Damian Clark Touche', haven't watched it.

[@Lightice1]

I actually found Ultron's motives to be a refreshing new take on the whole insane killer robot thing. It's none of that cold, cruel logic crap that has been done so often. This version of Ultron is legitimately insane, full of conflicting instructions and overwhelming data, and in the middle a sentient personality that in vain tries to make some sense of it all and only ends up becoming more and more twisted and broken in the process. And in terms of personality, Ultron is now officially the most entertaining villain in the MCU. Loki is great and all, but he never really got a real chance to shine. He should've had some sort of ally or a sidekick in the previous films to have someone to banter with. Ultron does want to have someone to be a smartass to, and gets the Maximoff twins to fulfill that role, and he's great about it. An evil robot that wants to destroy the world? Been there, done that. An evil robot who constantly cracks jokes to hide up the fact that he's really insecure about himself? That's something new and fun to watch.

[@Jstar300]

Lightice1 I really like Ultron too, but I think Wilson Fisk takes the cake on amazing MCU villains. I was actually kind of rooting for him.

[@torak49]

Lightice1 I feel like his only weakness is that he was a one movie villain. Loki has already been in three so his character is much more developed than Ultrons. He was created to be in this movie and this movie only and I feel like that hurt his character a bit.

[@Aeradom2000]

torak49 You wouldn't argue though that Fisk though is a far more complex and thoughtout villain though yes? Granted we have more time to develop Fisk than we did with Ultron, but still, I find him the superior(ly developed) villain.

[@torak49]

Damian Clark I wouldn't. I find Ultron to be much more fascinating and a better overall villain.

[@Aeradom2000]

torak49 Are you giving Ultron a handicap becuase he's a movie villain then? Because I can't see in a straight on comparison how one would argue that Ultron is a more complex and interesting villain than Fisk. I love Ultron, but I'd never find myself having any sympathy or rooting for him to succeed. Whereas Fisk, hell I'd take him right now as President.

[@GomuGear4]

They should make a movie called Avengers: The House-Party Protocol, and you think it's gonna have something to do with Iron Man's legion of autonomous suits from the third solo movie, but it's just them having a party for a couple hours.

[@RasoKye]

I'd pay for that.

[@oswaldsdepression1100]

Haran Nallasivan I would definitely go see that.

[@thaiboypsp3000]

Just don't invite Vision.

[@alexsilva28]

Haran Nallasivan Oh yess! That needs to happen...

[@jp3813]

IseeUmadtho Why?

[@cafeterialoca]

I think my complaint is that Age of Ultron moves really fast. Like, take when Ultron was in his first body and suddenly in his second, or how he's suddenly really attached to Wanda. I think there was a lot of scenes cut and it kinda shows. I still loved the film though.

[@KainScion]

cafeterialoca yeah. a little too fast. and a lot of weird stuff. not bad, just weird. ultimate hawkeye family, those accents etc.

[@Dja05]

cafeterialoca Totally agree on this, I'll gladly see the 3h+ cut.

[@cafeterialoca]

Gianni Carrea Apparently there will be one released. It even has an alt ending.

[@KainScion]

Gianni Carrea fuck yeah. lotr this movie. EXTENDED VERSION!

[@cafeterialoca]

KainScion Hopefully won't be like Hobbit extended...

[@Kuchenjaeger]

*minor spoiler* I love that they put more focus on Hawkeye, Black Widow and Bruce Banner. They desperately needed some time in the spotlight.

[@LOLimalexx]

***** not a spoiler

[@Kuchenjaeger]

Anime Addict I just didn't want people to get mad at me. We are on the internet. You know how it is.

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

***** True on the Banner and Barton part. Since those two don't have their own movie trilogies like Captain, Thor and Tony do, it's pretty clever to have subplots that didn't feel out of place to develop their characters especially on the subtle build up of Hawkeye trying to get back to his family without having to cram in that annoying "We have a disfunctional family because daddy's too busy with work" trope.

[@vcom741]

***** Probably since:1) Those 3 didn't have their own movie in Phase 2 2) Iron Man and Cap will get more focus in Civil War.

[@moni5620]

***** no the fuck they didn't. bruce and black widow were INSUFFERABLE. They needed more Ultron.

[@zbh9268]

Five reasons Ultron is better than Loki: *Spoilers Inbound* 1. Ultron can't be killed until Vision enters the story 2. Ultron is charismatic enough that he doesn't have to brainwash the twins into doing his bidding 3. Ultron actually fights several of the Avengers simultaneously 4. Ultron has the brain of a philosopher and the heart of a conqueror 5. Ultron may be defeated by one Avenger, but that Avenger had to use an Infinity Stone to do it

[@TacticalLoL]

Zach Hambelton hell yea, Ultron was alot better then Loki

[@scorpiocarnage1055]

Zach Hambelton Agreed. No offense to Loki, but there was something about Ultron. I think part of it was that the actor behind him really was enjoying his role. But yeah, he really is a great villain. It's like having the heart of a child combined with the comprehension of an adult wrapped up in corruption and cynicism. I didn't know whether to be horrified or impressed. One of my favorite scenes with him is (*SPOILERS*): Before he zaps Jarvis, he's like Shh. Another one was when he mockingly said, Oh I'm just gonna reveal my evil plan... *zap* Haha gotta love the eccentric villains who don't mind going full out in dramatic appeal.

[@inigo137]

That does not make him a better villain

[@Maxisamo1]

inigo137 He also planned on destroying humanity, while Loki wanted to conquer them

[@robertstephenson8714]

Zach Hambelton You think he's more charismatic than Loki?! Loki got an entire civilisation to fight for ("for") him, and was able to challenge all of the Avengers, despite not really being a match for any of them individually (save perhaps BW and Hawks). Frankly, the fact that Ultron COULD fight multiple Avengers simultaneously means that his defeat is all the more pathetic. Also, Ultron is dumb. He should have had multiple backups as failsafes, and he should have set them up well before Vision entered the picture, in anticipation for something like that happening. I mean, assuming Ultron is meant to be this "more intelligent than human" AI, if Stark and Banner are to be believed during their nerdgasm. In case you didn't already guess, I wasn't that big a fan of the movie. I'm just glad I got discounted tickets for it, I would likely have left the cinema if it were full price (something I SHOULD have done for Iron Sky DX)

[@KingGhidorah5464]

What Stark saw in the vision was the end result of the Infinity War. So he built Ultron as a way to try and protect them.

[@KingGhidorah5464]

Michael Collins it was a vision that Scarlet Witch gave him.

[@Laughing_Chinaman]

***** you are forgetting tony has ptsd from the nuke in avengers 1, scarlet witch was playing on his fears that the invasion could and probably will happen again, that they(big scary aliens) are out there. he wanted to create a suit of armour for the world that would last far past his life. the rest of the team also saw their fears

[@SUPERSMASHJONY]

PitchBlackFox But the vision is in the gigant space rock where thanos is, he never saw that place just the entrance when he went there with the nuke, only on the post-credits of avengers and guardians of the galaxy we see that specific area and tony didn't.

[@Laughing_Chinaman]

SUPERSMASHJONY it was a rock in space it does mean it was THE rock, we didn't see thanos we saw a second army

[@SUPERSMASHJONY]

PitchBlackFox But Stark never went that close, hell in some videos about about easter eggs you can see is the same space rock, so the studio re-used the same "space rock" from guardians where ronann kills the othe for that scene and again, Tony never went there.

[@CeltycSparrow]

the funniest thing about this movie to me was when Ultron says "Thor...you're bothering me". Its like there's a freaking battle going on, everybody is kicking legitimate ass and the only thing bothering the big bad robot is Thor. lol.

[@MrX626]

CeltycSparrow so it's like the Reapers to Commander Shepherd in mass effect 3?

[@theawesomebroso]

It wasn't bad it wasn't spectacularly good... it was enjoyable.

[@nagaking07]

I agree with the Walkers in almost everything except for Ultron. I think Ultron is a great villain, better than Loki actually (in my opinion), due in no small part to James Spader's performance. Ultron has a lot of personality, being sarcastic, cruel, witty, serious, philosophical, and just plain evil all at the same time; a machine that operated purely on logic would get very boring very fast. And while his plan was done before, that is his plan in my experience with the character in the comics. In regards to his design, I look at the design of his Sentries, and when he's possessing them and I think, yeah, its probably good that they went with an emotive face, since it allows for more character to get through. A villain with a completely un-emotive, blank face wouldn't be that interesting, at least not in live action. But hey, to each their own, and I think Rob made a great point that whereas he wasn't an Ultron fan, I am. And I feel that Loki fans probably won't get as into this one as they did the first, and likewise, Ultron fans may get more into this one.

[@HermanFalckHow]

THANK YOU!!! I don't get the hate of this one. At all. It is a ''better'' movie, but with alot of the same problems. But it is better and people is going all it sucks.. Wait what? Calling it a transformers movie... Huh? Seriously guys? Rob really nailed it. It feels like people have decided it sucks rather then actually judging it on its own

[@Blewishthegreat]

Herman Falck How It depends. The first movie was a simpler story but better told. The new one has more ambition but is kind of sloppy. I personally didnt like 2 but 1 is still my favorite marvel movie

[@HermanFalckHow]

The first one is my favorite to. But omg how stupid it is. It has no stakes, to tension, and the first 2 acts are kind of boring, and worst of all has NO character development. It is a movie that is made by and structured around that 360 shot. It is all made to set up that moment when they are all FINALLY together, the reason we wanted to see it. It is made to make you cry nerdtears of joy. The seccond one is a ''better'' movie, but it does not feel like it for an average moviegoing audience.

[@Blewishthegreat]

Herman Falck How I disagree it did have character development,the first two acts were fine (but that third act was spectacular) and it did have stakes just smaller ones (all of NY vs all of the world)

[@HermanFalckHow]

Did you ever think Loki could beat any of the Avengers? Did you ever think the Chitauri had anything against The Avengers? They got crushed. It was just fun. GREAT fun. But stil just dumb fun

[@Blewishthegreat]

Herman Falck How Did you honestly go into this movie thinking the avengers would loose? At the very least Lokis motivation made sense,not the same with Ultron (I like ultron as a character more so then loki). The reason I didnt think the first two acts were boring was because all the characters are so well written that I wanted to see how all these different but big personalities would interact. What would happen if you get Thor and Tony in a room together,what about Steve and Bruce? I love that shit but the action was fantastic. In 2 the action was less fantastic the new characters outside of Ultron didnt do nothing for me,Hawkeyes family was the only addiction I liked (The romance sucked because I dont like Mark Ruffalo and felt it was Scarlett carrying the scene by herself). Like it was more character development but not that great of character development so I think 2 mostly felt flat (out of all of them maybe like the 6th worse,it wasnt bad just meh)

[@Honey059]

Loved this movie, James Spader totally nailed it as Ultron. I can't wait to see it again

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Honey059 just the fact James spader voices Ultron is and was a draw for me, i love him.

[@novasupr]

I thought the movie was alright but ultron was a bit too whiny at times "Don't compare me to stark" "Leave me alone!!!" Etc it's an unpopular opinion but whatever

[@Alesiopdv]

nova I agree.

[@KainScion]

nova i don't remember him saying leave me alone.

[@novasupr]

KainScion when ultron is in that truck with vision, and cap shows up

[@ellislamai]

Ultron is whiny because he is still a child, he has tantrums and is very naive.

[@rammiine]

nova I get why people didn't like him especially for those reasons but to me, personally, I liked it. I like when villains aren't "RAWR I AM EVIL! I HATE EVERYTHING!". I like when they have vulnerability and and little more depth. Which is why I like Ultron. I feel he could have been waaay better if he got more screen time or development though. Movie went way too fast he went from "I'm going to help people" to "I'm just going to kill everyone" so quickly it made it confusing and cheapened his character.

[@hunterkiller1440]

Wow, I thought I was the only one. I saw the same problems it had in the first one and I liked this more than the first one.

[@TheNMan64]

The biggest problem with movie opinions is that no one except critics formulates their own opinions of movies. Instead of looking at the film themselves, they take a critic's perspective and either claim it as their own or just say that this critic didn't like it so this film obviously sucks. Hey guys, the motion picture medium is NOT PERFECT! People don't like practically flawless films like Citizen Kane, The Godfather, The Dark Knight, Pulp Fiction, and Up while praising bad films like Transformers, Most of the Fast and Furious films, the Star Wars prequels, and so forth. Formulate your own opinions! Because if you blindly follow a critic's perspective, you'll get blind sighted if you disagree. NC thinks Finding Nemo is practically flawless and Lion King is overrated. I personally think the opposite. Just because our opinions are opposite on that, does not mean we can't like the same stuff. Don't follow trends. If you see one of two people saying Age of Ultron sucked, don't listen to them. If you see a few saying the last Harry Potter movie is flawless, don't listen to them. Hating on something because it's cool to is really pathetic. Praising something because everyone does is also dumb. Watch the movie and say what YOU think about it!

[@IvanKNIGHTFROGSROCK]

You guys are the coolest brothers ever, I wish I was related to you guys!

[@BigJoe6669]

dont be fucking scared to say that the first Avengers was REALLY OVERRATED !!!! winter soldier was much better then the first avengers =)

[@AuroDHikoshi]

BigJoe6669 Although anything after the first avengers phase could be called better since they know more then they did during the first set.

[@Aeradom2000]

BigJoe6669 I don't think it's correct in saying "it was really overrated" as when it came out, it honestly was the best Comic Book movie ever made. Hands down, and end of story. But it's just Marvel really stepped up their game in Cap 2 and GotG and now it's fallen a bit in the rankings is all. If people tell me now that it's the best, then I think I'd have to disagree. But before those two, no way man.

[@MrAkashvj96]

Damian Clark Bullshit. X-2, Spiderman 2, Batman Begins, Iron Man and the Dark Knight are still the greatest comic book films, by a distance. The Avengers was bloated and mindless.

[@KainScion]

Nameless Paladin x2 is dated as fuck. even when it came out it looked cheap. tell me something about anyone else besides wolverine.

[@MrAkashvj96]

KainScion Okay fair enough what did you think about the others?

[@stevencalandra1659]

I was so happy with how they expanded Hawkeye's role, too.

[@TheLingo56]

I guess I was expecting more because the trailers seems to promise more and Joss was saying that this would be "The Empire Strikes Back of the Avengers." I was going in expecting something a little more intense and dark but got a lighthearted superhero movie. It's not bad but I was expecting something different.

[@dakotanelson8523]

I fucking loved this movie. All the original characters were great, all the original characters (Vision is definitely my favorite new character) were just as amazing, Ultron was bad-ass and hilarious, the action was flowed so greatly, the dialogue was was both hilarious and even dramatic at times (that final conversation between Vision and Ultron is probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie), and I just freaking loved it. One of, if not my absolute, favorite comic book movie/s ever.

[@Ranuyasha]

Am I the only one who didn't care to watch the supposed Spiderman cameo on KZbin? I mean I went to the cinema with nothing but excitement just to see my favorite Avengers on the screen for the second time :3

[@Changeling9000]

I wasn't even aware there was a fake spiderman credits scene until after I seen the movie.

[@lewaproductions]

SPOILER: Ultron is a robot

[@nolandavis1129]

Not exactly, Ultron is basically an A.I. In a Iron Legion suit

[@randalgraves6979]

Spoilers This is a comment.

[@TwinKids3895]

Spoiler: Stan Lee has a cameo in this movie

[@VicHD]

I think the movie was alright, but the first one was better paced. Loki was much more entertaining than Ultron,who seemed whiny and confused with himself at times. Jarvis as Vision was a clever twist though.

[@GeorgeMonet]

+HadoukenDude Ultron also had no real plan or purpose.

[@philipwilliams6307]

+GeorgeMonet or tactics, or intelligence, or threat, yeah he wasn't much of a threat, he couldn't even kill hawkeye.

[@SolarArmadillo]

His plan was clear. Annihilate the earth with the Sokovia meteor.

[@philipwilliams6307]

yeah, a very stupid plan at that... he was smart enough to make something that big yet not smart enough to make diversions, contingency plans and hulkbuster suits. Despite having the tech to both hack Tony Starks systems and even simply analyze his armor when he faced off with the Hulk... Point is he was wasted potential, played by a great actor, just sad they messed the movie up so badly.

[@V4Now]

Ultron and Vision remind me of the Geth, two fractions who are essentially made of the same thing have calculated an equation but ended up to a different conclusion. What AoU did great was world building. I agree with Ultron's face, it shouldn't have been as animated.

[@DrBachur]

I feel like Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes updated the Ultron story correctly

[@Aeradom2000]

El Critico Molesto I thought tying the infinity mind gem with Ultron's Origin was actually pretty clever setup for what's to come to be honest.

[@Allistar123]

El Critico Molesto agree Ultron's Imperative was amazing.

[@megafrost9960]

I just want a domestic Avengers sitcom

[@CaitlinKoi]

There were a lot of people that didn't like The Avengers...? In regards to everyone I've ever met it's a universally liked film. Huh.

[@MarkFilipAnthony]

The reason I liked the first Avengers more was that it felt more relevant. There was a reason for the heroes to assemble, and there was a reason they had to stop Loki, and the Tesseract had something to do with the build up to the infinity war. Avengers 2 is mostly about Tony Stark fucking up, and because of it everyone suffers and are annoyed by it. The heroes are assembled, and (minor SPOILER) the "new" characters that are added to the team, are mainly seen as add-ons in the end, instead of build up to mean something. The best part to me was the Vision, the only part that felt was needed to build up to the Infinity war. He didn't do that much tho.

[@RyanStorey1231]

5:55 Somebody has been reading JesuOtaku's Twitter feed. Seriously, if you don't want to enrage yourself, don't follow her on Twitter. She is overwhelmingly negative towards anything that is not anime. She also has a habit of calling anyone who has created a work she doesn't like a "hack", even though I'm pretty sure she has no idea what the word "hack" even means.

[@RyanStorey1231]

***** Don't get me wrong, I've always loved her anime reviews, but she's not the friendliest of people. I once got into a fight with her on Twitter because she called the creators of Avatar/LoK hacks (she does that a lot). Admittedly, I didn't respond that well to it. I ended up sounding like an immature fanboy (I usually make my points more level, calm, and coherent; I was a bit sleep-deprived). She then screen-shotted my tweets and retweeted them, calling me a "man-child". That was embarrassing. It's not like I was even harassing or trolling her (which is not cool to do, by the by). I tried apologizing for my comments coming off as immature, and she merely responded: "Sure man, it's whatever..." Sorry for the rant. But she is so obstinate and often cruel. Then she has to make herself the victim when she questions why fans of Joss Whedon are calling her out on her shit. I mean, people give Lindsay Ellis (formerly the NChick) a lot of shit (because she's a feminist; what a nightmare!), but at least when she's overtly critical to something the majority of people like, she's funny and not condescending to its fans.

[@RyanStorey1231]

***** I definitely agree. It's not that she dissed one of my favorite series. Not everyone liked Korra, and she has every right to not like it. But she came across as extremely nitpicky, mean, and extremely smug. I feel like she knows what she's talking about when it comes to anime. But she should really shut up about everything else, because it's clear that she has no idea what she's talking about. And, like I stated before, she really needs to learn the true definition of "hack". Look through her Twitter feed, she keeps using that word. I do not think it means what she thinks it means. "Hack" is not what you call a writer who happened to make something you're not fond of or find overrated. A hack is someone who is an incompetent and unoriginal writer. Wow, I really have got to stop spending so much time on Twitter. It's not toxic like this all the time.

[@Madriddler]

***** if I remember correctly yeah, I had to unfollow her on Twitter because she kept on bad mouthing shows and movies I loved. That, and there was this general sense of ire and smug. The only good thing she did, in my personal experience, is introduce me to the Fire Emblem series

[@Lugen101]

Joey Allen I didn't believe it so I checked for myself and holy crap you weren't kidding about the ire and smugness. I can handle differing opinions just fine, but she really comes across as not even giving the film a chance. Its weird, its not even that she dislikes whedon's work, but rather loathes his work at a personal level. I really don't like associating around people like that. I mean there is nothing wrong with not liking something, for instance I really dislike Eli Roth's work, but if somebody told me he released a new movie that was great, I would still give a shot. (maybe not in the theaters, but hit up a redbox when available)

[@ThatEccentricguy]

***** Don't worry dude, I unfollowed her because she had totally unfair standards for Korra.

[@zangfang1]

I did not like the first but I loved this one. Maybe it's beacuse I went in with rather low expectations but it felt like it fixed the problems I had with the first one. The first one felt like one long action scene and it lacked the character I wanted from the film. This one fixed that problem and gave us more character and (to me) a villain that is far more enjoyable than Loke. I loved this film for many diffrent reasons but mostly beacuse it gave me what I wanted from the first one which is why I'm suprised why many sees it as a dissapointment.

[@bigb860]

I pretty much agree with both Doug & Rob. I went the Friday it came out with a few other friends, fun and entertaining, and I certainly did not feel upset after leaving the theater. None of us really did. That being said, I'm not going to say I was blown away by it either. In the back of my mind during basically the entire movie, I couldn't really get all that emotionally involved because at the end of the day, we all know The Avengers are going to stand tall and it's our job to go along for the ride.

[@jdg20042001]

"Overrated" one of the dumbest criticisms ever. Nothing more than a dismissal of an audience's opinion that loved something more than you or loved something that you didn't.

[@nolandavis1129]

VictoryNYC the part that pisses me off is that Doug can't tell the difference between simple and dumb

[@EriahSylverstone]

"I've never gotten that 'I wanna punch Captain America in the face' cause half the times he's right." -Rob "Sometimes I just wanna punch you in your perfect teeth." -Tony Stark

[@gokuxsephiroth4505]

Really, I wish that Ultron was an intimidating villain. I know Joss Whedon can do funny villains- I mean, Loki is a great example- but I feel like I would have liked the film better if he was purely intimidating villain. Loki was wonderfully charming and funny and still kind of sinister, but Ultron just doesn't have the same charm. He had the funny thing going, but without the charm Loki had, I don't know...I guess I just got a little sick of funny villains by the second one.

[@stalk8r]

I actually did find Ultron's design pretty intimidating - especially when he reveals himself for the first time to the twins, suddenly you see this three meters high metal skeleton with weird, pseudo human face staring at you. But yeah, they downplayed it with the slapstick moments at the end. That plane scene really made me laugh out loud though.

[@DrBachur]

For me The Avengers (2012) and Guardians Of The Galaxy are how comic book movies should be made. Not the Nolan way. I really like TDK, but I don't want every comic book movie to be like that.

[@MrAkashvj96]

El Critico Molesto Well then you should stick to films like Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy. Leave films like TDK to people who want to watch films like TDK (like me).

[@DrBachur]

Nameless Paladin I don't need to "stick" to either. I can enjoy them both. And maybe "Winter Soldier" would be a good example of a tone between TDK and Guardians of The Galaxy

[@SrGurkman]

El Critico Molesto the TDK films are great elseworld stories where Batman lives in a world like ours and his best friends aren't an alien, a princess, and a bunch of teenagers. The formula worked great on Batman, and might work great on a lot of the non-powered and/or horror characters, but in general t doesn't work with most superheroes, as Man of Steel and most TV superhero shows have show us.

[@SuperTonyony]

+PennyPlunderer: Your comment is astute.

[@SquareMaster316]

El Critico Molesto The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy are how comic book movies about The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy should be made, more or less.

[@squashmallow2006]

Honestly, when it came to plot, I never bothered much with The Avengers. If it were individual hero movies, I do. But for Avengers, not so much. Because the sheer fact that all these heroes teaming up gives me goosebumps and I just hoot and holler for all of them. It never gets old. The interesting thing is that like the first one, the plot is just so simple. There's no huge exposition or anything like in Thor 2. Just the simple bad guy wanting to rule the world and the heroes trying to stop it. But yet, this simplified idea just seems to work wonders for this film. Which is why I love this film so much.

[@peopleearth749]

What I didnt like about this one, which I dont think I heard the guys mention or any of the comments so far was that the Robots Ultron made were so easy to kill. The first robot we see (Ultron early prototype in the Stark Tower) is fairly challenging to deal with for the Avengers, yet after this the robots can be killed sometimes with a punch or just an arrow, even thought they are supposed to be better built. I think is a matter of quality over quantity, I would have rather there was only like 50 robots that took a lot to get rid of than thousands that are easy to kill, this made the last fight pretty boring to me because they were like Stormtroopers or soldiers in a Rambo movie, just a template enemy that is easy to kill and of no threat at all, in the first one they were living aliens and there was some variety, e.g the massive flying one, the ones on flying vehicles, taking hostages, etc and as they are organic aliens then yeah it justifies how easy they are to kill. But this reminded me of the reason I do not like Iron Man 3, all those suits are destroyed with one single hit each even thought we have seen earlier Iron Man suits take a pounding, but now all it takes is one laser blast or a truck to completely destroy these suits.

[@SolarArmadillo]

To be fair only Thor and (kind of) Tony were armed in that scene.

[@JordTheeNord]

I think one of the biggest problems of the movie for the people disappointed with it was simply that we were expected something a little more serious. I mean, if you look at the trailer it looks like a serious badass movie and what we ended up getting was a good ole over-the-top comic book movie, which there is nothing wrong with its just that we were missed informed...

[@johnspardadmc3886]

Avengers AOU is far supirior than the first. The story, the characters and dialogue are all better.

[@kimba4962]

This movie was awesome. It was a HUGE Improvement over the first one, had a FANTASTIC villain, character development, place for every character (which is by the way is really hard to do in a movie like this. It's pretty much a masterpiece in how well it handled all its main characters), spectacular action (I honestly can't remember if there are any movies with action as good as in AoU) and thematicly it was as strong as Winter Soldier (the thing is: it's not dated at all. It easily could have been just a story about AI that thinks that people are bad etc, which probably would have happened if movie had canon Ultron, but AoU Ultron isn't canon Ultron. His personality is a key. He approaches similar ideas from the completely different (I can even say "opposite") way. He's just so unique and has so much of personality. He's completely alive in every meaning of this word). Second best MCU movie, after Winter Soldier. I've seen it twice and still willing to pay to see it again. I just don't get why people hate it so much.

[@sonicjrjr14]

I'm sorry but I got to disagree with you guys. I loved the first movie a lot for its simplicity and heart and was prepared for this 1 to be just as good if not better. Man was I disappointed! More character development? What development?! Romanov and Banner's relationship just comes out of nowhere and goes nowhere so it just feels pointless. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver felt like after thoughts and I didn't care about them at all (at least Colson from the 1st had some previous movies to develop sympathy for when he died). Tony is just a jackass by this point, Thor, Hawkeye, and Steve are still the same so again: WHAT DEVELOPMENT??? Ultron barely did anything. That first action scene, like you guys said, was horrible but while the later scenes were better, they werent very memorable at all. The party scene was the only legitimately great scene in the film. Overall enjoyable, but this was a huge step down from the first Avengers or hell even the last 2 Marvel movies Winter Soldier and GOTG. If you're looking for a great AI film just watch Ex Machina. If you're looking for a really fun summer movie watch Furious 7 (while also not great, still had more going for it than this) .

[@damar47]

You stole my words

[@miniman649]

sonicjrjr14 seriously? Are you totally gonna ignore the moments of seeing Hawkeye having a family and others who love him, or now Black Widow is practically family to him with the whole 'aunt natasha', which hints at a close brother/sister relationship between Hawkeye and Black Widow? If you are gonna complain, at least be fair-minded and stop ignoring major parts of the movie.

[@sonicjrjr14]

miniman649 Ok Hawkeye has a family. So what? What do they do? What's special about them? What do they reveal about him that we didn't already know before? I can't even remember any scenes between him and Black Widow where they just sat down and talked face to face. She had more chemistry with Steve in Winter Soldier tbh.

[@miniman649]

sonicjrjr14 "What do they do? What's special about them? What do they reveal about him that we didn't already know before? " They give him a reason to keep fighting. To protect them from the beings that is willing to destroy the world. They reveal he is more than an agent and actually has a life outside his bow and arrows. They might not be special, but it is still nice to see that Hawkeye is a person that has a life outside Shield. Then again I wouldn't suspect you to read between the lines, you are the type of person that needs to get the character development slammed in your face with burning hot iron, before you get it.

[@sonicjrjr14]

miniman649​​ 1st off, you don't even know me. 2nd, maybe the way I phrased it above wasn't correct. I should have said "WHAT INTERESTING CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT". We've seen the "all-american soldier coming back home to his wife and kid" shtick done millions of times before (American Sniper already beat this to the punch). It doesn't make it "interesting", it makes it cliche. How interesting would have been if they put their own spin on it? Like his wife was an ex agent herself, or she was murdered by the enemy, or was of a different ethnicity, or hell if the wife was his husband. It would add more spice to the dull story and actually be memorable. Not asking for everything to be spoon fed to me, but if you're going to aim for bigger and better than actually do it.

[@mattomoros]

It's because the first Avengers was the ultimate cinematic crossover, something that we have never seen before, and now that we saw that, we take this one for granted. I think it's pretty good.

[@LPTV84]

The critics and nick pickers could just be people who realized the flaws of Avengers 1 and hoped Avengers 2 could improve it, but no, it barely did .... But if it barely did and you still love Avengers 1, then why complain about it? This isn't the dark knight, this is marvel and its not supposed to be a psychological, epic dark, thinking films. Comics can make you think sometimes, but they are most of the time just entertainment to waste your time on. That's it, no go watch Hulk bitch smack Ultron.

[@jp3813]

pablolara125 I guess people are comparing it to the quality of Cap 2 rather than Avengers 1.

[@LPTV84]

***** I guess so, but I don't think they should. Just because Cap 2, as much as it did setup Avengers 2, it is a different entity compared to a team-up of legends kind of film. I have to agree with Rob, Cap 2 was amazing and personally it is my favorite Marvel Studios film too.

[@Aeradom2000]

pablolara125 But I think in a world where the first Avengers was already passed up in quality by movies like Cap 2 and GotG, this movie is being measured against them which is certainly unfair but is what it is.

[@jp3813]

Damian Clark Which is funny b/c if you look at the reviews for most of the phase 1 films, people were more forgiving of their flaws since the expectations were so low.

[@Thane3999]

pablolara125 Avengers 1 was crap, and while second one had mistakes, and was rushed up, there was seen an efffort.

[@ShadyDoorags]

The movie-to-comic book balance was thrown off. The first Avengers was reveled as the best superhero movie thus far because the balance was as perfect as we've seen in a while. It was the same as the Dark Knight, but it did it with multiple superheroes and an entire universe. This movie, certain areas go too comic book, while other areas go too movie. If you're more for movies, you might like this one better, especially with all that characterization that got thrown in, but its just not as balanced as the first.

[@lunasperidot8760]

Personally, I like Ultron so much more than Loki. Just saiyan.

[@ghostface9652]

I do too

[@2_572]

Loki is a piece of shit!

[@WaftingCurtains]

I agree with you on everything you said. Great video. :) I liked this one better than the first one too, for all the reasons you listed. Although I did like Ultron a lot more than you guys did.

[@jonnyc429]

Villains are the MCU's weak point though. There's plenty that they can do to make these villains incredible but they just don't go into enough depth, which is such a shame. Not to say that all MCU villains are bad, they're just not expanded on enough to be truly memorable. Exceptions would be Bucky in the Winter Soldier, and probably Ronan in GOTG, and maybe Loki.

[@Danbo22987]

"People want this movie to fail", that's how I felt about Amazing Spider-Man 2, and The Dark Knight Rises

[@Gavin48]

The movie was dated. Had a forced romance and why should I give two Shits about Hawkeye's backstory when we've been programmed to not give a fuck about him all this time? I thought Fast & Furious & Cinderella were better movies than this meh movie. Christy Lemire, Alicia Malone and Scott Mantz summed up this movie perfectly

[@Geznoo]

I don't get you people you get angry when there's no character development but when there is you still get mad what exactly do you want

[@Gavin48]

I want development done correctly. You can't just throw it in and expect to get praise. Imagine if in the last Season of Breaking Bad they dedicated a whole episode to Marie. Would you be happy or pissed because you'd rather see more established characters like Walter, Jesse and Hank?

[@Geznoo]

Gavin48 I understand your saying why should we care about a character that we've never had too before but don't you think that's why there doing it I might be wrong but they could be doing it so we could start caring about him rather then just putting him there because why not I can't really explain it but I think there doing it because they want hawkeye to be more interesting to us and so we could give a craps about him I could be wrong and you probably don't understand what I'm saying but that's what I think

[@Disney65Fan]

Gavin48 I loved the new Cinderella movie. Its my favourite so far of 2015. I found the new Avengers film alright but I walked out 25 minutes after the ending due to other reasons.

[@kirose]

Gavin48 How do you think those characters became established? They had time spent on them. The main heroes have their own movie, why shouldn't Hawk get a few minutes? So you don't like that part of the movie. That's fine. But that doesn't mean it is crap or done incorrectly; it's just something you do not like.

[@SymbiSpidey]

I enjoyed this one a lot more than the first. And I don't get why people think that every villain has to be super scary. Ultron was fun and entertaining that's all I really needed.

[@miguelrealp]

Really bad villain development (typical invader that want to destroy humans because humans pollute, humans kill, human = bad). Same plot of Avengers (first they win, then villain tears them apart from the inside, Hulk smash, fight together, 1 character's death inspire them, win) but it had lots of action 7/10

[@overkillforever1]

Actually scratch off the "1 character dies, influencing them to fight" in this movie since that 1 character dies at the end when they already are fighting. But other than that, seems about right lol.

[@miguelrealp]

overkillforever1 1 character's death inspire them = In avengers the death of the character inspire them to fight back. In age of Ultron character's death inspire them to finish the fight. In both: 1 character's death inspire them

[@DigiRangerScott]

You know generalizations are like that are what lead people to say things like The Lion King and Frozen are the same movie. In fact, this movie is just like Citizen Kane! People do things in this movie!

[@miguelrealp]

Scott Sandler But Citizen Kane doesn't have a cliché villians

[@overkillforever1]

Except they weren't inspired by....Spoilers..... Quicksilvers death... They were already fighting like I said, hell he died at the end of the fight.

[@philipwilliams6307]

The biggest issue I see is the gravity of the threat, lets face it every film that contains good guy vs bad guy regardless of specific plot and characters it always boils down to this one major thing, and the only thing that separates good guy vs bad guy films made for kids and made for adults is how real the threat actually feels. In kids movies you always know the good guys will win and usually will win at no cost/sacrifice. And when adult movies are done right it's usually at a real cost, beloved members die, and the triumph is difficult. Like the idea of Ultron making HulkBusters, and a ThorBuster [maybe 4] (suits that take advantage of high voltages, that can absorb and redistribute to other suits to empower them, while strong enough to match Thors strength). Why is it that Game of Thrones beside the obvious R18 rating things like graphic violence, nudity and language is it so gripping? because it kills off loved characters, take Eddard Stark, many people loved his character, most stories for this very reason will never kill him, but what did game of thrones do? they killed him... as for the villains, they made them sinister people you despised but also knew were real threats not to be messed with, such as the white walkers. What had to happen is this: 1. Hawkeye and Quicksilver had to die... most of the Avengers should have been bruised up or in critical condition, like Tony Stark or Cap hospitalized. 2. One of the S.H.I.E.L.D carriers had to be shot down killing all the civilians on board and a few more wherever it landed. 3. Ultron should have gotten away. 4. His minions should have been stronger, aka harder to kill. 5. Ultron should have had a plan B, with Hulk Buster suits, shot down Veronica, and even be deploying ever sophisticated robots as the film went on, even after Vision appeared, his minions should have developed stronger than Iron man, out numbered the hulk and posed a threat to both Thor and the Vision. 6. Despite flawing the plan of destroying the world with a city sized rock, he should have used it as a diversion for "analyzing the avengers limits" with something to imply he's not yet dead when speaking to a damaged the Vision at the end. 7. The vibe needed to go from happy comedic to doom and gloom, to emphasize the contrast that sh(& just got very real, Ultron was never a feared character, performed very well yes, loved the animation/acting/voice-acting but sadly was never taken seriously enough that you saw him as a threat, just another villain soon to be destroyed.. if his minions eventually started looking like him more and more, and posing more and more of a threat, and if the victory came at the cost of two character deaths and another 2-3 in bad to critical condition I know people would have left thinking "crap that was intense". Conclusion: Ultron would have mad respect, be seen as an opponent that will pose a very real threat in the future... I would have loved if the last lines said something like. The Vision: "Humans are odd. They think order and chaos are somehow opposites and try to control what won't be. But there is grace in their failings. I think you missed that." Ultron: "They're doomed! But I am not!" The Vision: "Yes... for now... but a thing isn't beautiful because it lasts. It is a privilege to be among them." Ultron: "You're unbelievably naïve and ignorant." The Vision: "Well, I was born yesterday." Ultron: "ha.. ha.. ha.. and if only you knew" *The Vision then destroys what he believes is the last Ultron*.

[@calebn4399]

The scene where the Avengers where fighting all the robots in that small town was BORING. I was looking around, looking at my watch, it was . . . ugh.

[@billybarnett9518]

WhIle everyone else's eyes were on screen.

[@calebn4399]

If I was bored, what has that to do with anyone else?

[@billybarnett9518]

Caleb N People are different than you.

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

Totaly agree! AAoU's characters are way more fleshed out. Of course you need Agents of Shield for lots of background info, but that's what the MCU is all about, and I personally like that.

[@Mongward]

AoU is a letdown, for me. It's a perfect mediocre movie. It's like doing a perfect circuit and then running out of fuel and momentum right before reaching the finish line.

[@Mongward]

Mongward also... people are more picky about this movie, because it's not as cheerful and bright and woohoo as the first one. It's angling to be more serious and it's ultimately it's downfall. We are more likely to notice weak spots (and to have them kind of harm our experience) the more serious a movie gets. Which was why Dark Knight Ries got picked apart. If it was an entertainemnt flick, nobody would give a jack.

[@kereminde]

Mongward " We are more likely to notice weak spots (and to have them kind of harm our experience) the more serious a movie gets." Is this why everyone loved Guardians of the Galaxy despite it having parts which really just make no sense except to be funny or set up something funny? And yes, I loved every minute of watching that movie, and Age of Ultron, and don't consider it wasted money.

[@Mongward]

kereminde yeah, it's pretty much that. GotG is a dumb frikken movie and I saw it in the cinema four times, that's how much joy it gave me, despite it's obvious flaws. You kind of ride with it. But when a movie wants you to start thinking (eg. in the real effect Avengers have on the world and the intricacies of creating a new sentience) you kind of start to spot more things, because your brain is already on "thought" position.

[@kereminde]

Comic books have always rather struggled with that whole thing anyway. So it's really a flaw inherited from the source material and the approach of trying to stay true to it while being your own entity . . . This is why suspension of disbelief is such a hard thing to rely on for your story to work. Because some people can suspend it to believe something like the Hulk can exist . . . and then have problems accepting the Oslo Nexus existing. Or being fine with Quicksilver's super speed, and having issues with how Thor's hammer works with the whole lifting thing. These things are inherent to comic books as a medium, though they extend outward in all fiction where you can portray things which cannot (yet) exist or happen in reality. They all boil down to a set of facts you really have to either take at face value to enjoy it, or question and have it all fall like a card house. "The city is flying. We're fighting an army of robots. I have a bow and arrow." That encapsulates this whole genre in ten seconds of dialogue. None of it makes any sense when you look at it logically long enough. Do that and the magic is gone, and you're left grousing on the internet so you can show other people the emperor has no clothes.

[@Mongward]

kereminde The clue for the suspension of disbelief is to judge things by how they fit the universe being created, not the one we live in. This is something very few people can pull off. It's when we stop saying "well, that's silly, Hulk wouldn't be able to exist in our world" and star saying "well, that's silly, Hulk is too strong for this ploy to work". In the end, Age of Ultron made, generally, sense in-universe and all, but because it tried to be more thoughful, I couldn't slip past the critical viewpoint and just enjoy the insanity. If someone can, that's fine, I love that people love things.It just didn't do it for me.

[@AM-uo2kf]

Its funny i agree with Rob i preferred Guardians to Age of Ultron, Guardians was unexpected and fun Age of Ultron was very enjoyable but i had too many characters to keep track of and introduce ontop of the already sizable cast

[@jp5394]

Is it me or the critics in general are trying to make these films seem worse than what they really are? On Rotten Tomatoes, AOU has 75% positive reviews, but audiences have a 90% positive score.

[@RasoKye]

I heard there is going to be an extended edition... Good. I can't wait to see that.

[@slashandbones13]

the first avergers film is my favourite film ever (it is far from the critical greatest film ever but, it is most enjoyable experinse I ever had watching a movie) and this one almost reached the level of the first film but, not quite mostly due to pacing issues. I would have had a issue with Ultron's dialogue but James Spader is a expert on being amusing, polite and evil at the same time

[@battlez9577]

awesome vid several great points were raised, you've earned yourself a sub

[@theAngryscotman]

I really liked it. Great action. Some nice character moments here and there. It's a dumb comic book movie but it's awesome.

[@disneyerapowerrangers2923]

+theAngryscotman i like the movie also for a few reasons 1.ultron because i wanted him to be live action for a while and 2. hulk buster vs. hulk and to me it kinda gives me a power rangers vibe in places.

[@douglasrau5094]

I did really enjoy this movie but I do feel that this movie was almost like marking time for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Like, "Oh, we need to show that the Avengers are starting to catch on to the fact that something is going on with these Infinity gems" and "Oh, we have to show that Captain America and Iron Man are ideologically opposed and that could lead to friction between the two and even, ultimately, turning against each other". I felt like Ultron almost got pushed to the "B" story, in his own movie. The Avengers were like, "Oh, sure, Ultron, we'll give you your obligatory fight scene at the end but you're not really the biggest threat here."

[@videogamehunter820]

11:24 THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT LEONARDO IN TMNT! I really like the other turtles but Leo was always my favorite.

[@sodapopdrag]

"Big evil stick" "Spear" Guys. You're both wrong. It's "Sceptre" :D

[@zolibako4816]

AoU is one of my favourite MCU movies to this day, and I found Ultron a really entertaining, at the same time menacing villain.

[@DizzyWallin100]

Finally someone else who has seen "Red Dwarf". I love that show.

[@ThePonderer]

I actually prefer Ultron greatly to Loki. That, and I really think they're underselling the character stuff in Avengers, cause it WAS there.

[@adammariscal8847]

I had to see it twice to get everything and I think it couldn't have been better. Great action, great dialogue and a lot of emotion and fun. I wouldn't dislike them or this video for their opinion, because all the critics that I relate to said this movie was awesome.

[@darkaoru]

I actually think the real reason there is more critic backlash against this movie as opposed to the first one is that birdman made them decide superhero movies are ruining society... in most of the bad reviews i've read the critics actually said that they had fun watching age of ultron so it seems pretty hypocritical to me

[@RickyBBlessed]

I think Stark saw the threat coming from space not earth, thats why he initiated the program to protect earth from Aliens and the previous movies have hinted to that, Stark having a fear of other Alien threats to earth and thinking that these super humans/Avengers may not be enough to stop cosmic forces and simultaneously save lives. When you look into it deeper you get to understand where Stark is coming from, he developed something to help him save lives and gain confidence through his suit. Seeing that the threats he face were not world ending and fairly manageable but it all changed in Avengers when he realized there are greater threats out there that are capable of destroying the entire world and even with his team of super friends they were barely able to stop it. Thus his fear of the unknown is what drove him to create Ultron and will eventually lead to his actions in civil war both he and Cap want to save lives but their paths and choices are different.

[@MrSGZone]

I personally like this one a lot better than the first. For a lot of the reasons that doug mentioned. The characters had personalities. Hawkeye and Black Widow were like-able characters in this one as opposed to the first. It felt like they had a purpose. There was chemistry in the team, like they mentioned in the slow scenes but still had issues when they fought it and it made sense why. The story was about the same a bit more complex but also had some rough moments. I like how as opposed to usual plots like this of the A.I. killing everyone Ultron had a personality and was interesting. I definitely would have disliked it more if he was a super logical emotionless machine. I don't think it broke new ground but was different enough that it wasn't a repeat. It made steps just not big steps. It had similar moments but they were different enough to make still fun and cool. Overall it's a fun comic book movie it's not gonna have tear jerking emotional moments that make you think, it's good fun. Even if you think it's worst than the first most people I've talked to that said it was a small difference. An 80 vs 85 but personally I would say it was more of 90 to an 80.

[@Jouuji]

Not doing a Black Widow movie: "Do something with this character ! We want to know !" Doing a Black Widow movie: "What's with these directors and their need to over-explain everything !"

[@toastydanny9136]

Exactly my words Doug "Get Wolverine into these movies!!!"

[@MrDOCTORDERPY]

This movie has the best stan lee cameo ever

[@5Porygon]

Awesome piece of content. Keep up the great work! :))

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

Fully agree with Rob: Ultron's "Oh, for God's sakes!" was my favorite line in the whole movie! Also, I loved Ultron because he's cynical and childish and funny. I don't care for scary villains (Hittler, Mao and Stalin did that too well, already), I prefer funny and powerful ones. I fear I'm not gonna like Thanos because he will be this serious god, not a joker like Ultron or The Joker. And personally the only villains in the Marvel universe I don't consider ridiculous and funny are Galactus (who is not a villain in his motivations) and Doctor Doom (who is just ridiculous in his idea of ruling the world, even though he seems to be a good ruler, as the people of Latveria love him - or used to, it's been a long time since I've read comics myself).

[@Webshooters1]

Here's what I think gets to the root of the issue: We've seen it. In The Avengers the main attraction was these heroes who up until that point were fairly self-contained in their own mythos and this movie brought them all together and interacting with each other which was the main point of the first movie. Now with AoU we needed something more cause we have become inoculated to the gimmick of the first movie, we wanted more character development and insight into their backstories like with Black Widow, Hulk, and Hawkeye and an entertaining story. Another problem is Marvel is building up these Avenger movies as the culmination of all the films prior when the focus should be on the individual components like with the comics. The crossover events were meant to bring attention to the heroes partaking in the event. Marvel has it backwards. That having been said AoU is NOT killing the popcorn movie like some say and it's still a great Marvel movie, it builds on the first Avengers movie and gives us what we wanted which was more development for the Avengers and Ultron even though he acts NOTHING like his comic counterpart is still an enjoyable villain acting the the dark mirror of Tony Stark which is what Ultron was to Hank Pym in the comics.

[@Happaning_tube]

thanks for keeping the spoilers down as much as you did

[@liarliarroyaq]

i think the big reason he still created ultron even after the vision was he though creating ultron would prevent the vision, but ended up causing it ala the old trope "trying to prevent a certain future causes that exact future to occur"

[@FlamingWhippet]

I enjoyed the movie greatly, and found Ultron being a fun villain. He was just an evil version of Tony Stark which made sense to me since Stark did create him. Great to see Hawkeye getting some great development.

[@lekkerdices]

That awkward moment when Rob says "wait ten years" and you remember you're well into the seventh year of MCU, and Thanos is expected only in Phase 3, which is predicted to start about 2020 - TWELVE years later .-.

[@supernator13]

Tony's vision was about aliens destroying man... Not A.I. So it makes sense that he thinks that he needs to advance science as much as possible in order to be able to take on aliens.

[@PaulXPZ]

I think Agent Carter delved into Black Widow's past. It seems that russian spy she fights in the first season is like a Black Widow prototype.

[@KillerZeli]

Still haven't seen it, but from what you say about first Avengers, something tells me that I am going to once again agree with you.

[@KillerZeli]

KillerZeli I do :)

[@exilhannabal]

*_It woulda been awesome if they had Hank Pyme come up with some of the ideas of Ultron with Howard Stark, then Tony and Bruce found their notes-_*

[@thevision3150]

Also, I soooooooooooooooo wanted more of the Ultron MK I look. It was awesome haha. (Though they really dont explain why he built himself a broken body when he controls what makes iron man suits...)

[@michaelregan3504]

The scene where Tony stark sees captain america dying is a dream sequence created by scarlet witch it wasn't a vision of the future. Also just to procrastinate it's lokis sceptre not spear.

[@Wokiis]

Yaay video :D But c'mon. Since April 22'nd, most of Europe were able to confirm that the Spiderman thing wasn't there. Living under a rock alert! (Also there's a panel video on youtube with Joss directly commenting on the spiderman fake, and once again stating nothing would happen post-credits.)

[@mbriancohen]

Was any one else at least a little miffed that Ultron was never ever mentioned or built up to at any point leading up to this film? I know there probably wasn't a good time to do it but could've had at least mentioned something in the Thor or Cpt A film or had a Credit Scene where Iron Man say, "Wow, threats are getting bigger and scarier, better make a robot". Loki got a whole movie explaining his backstory and we hardly spent any time with him in the Avengers. By contrast, Ultron was basically created during a drunk weekend, and when it blows up in their face, Stark is like, "Whoops." Then we spend more time getting to know Ultron than some of the other Avengers. Why should I care when as far as I can tell he's just a machine with a screwed up logic circuit?

[@MyssBlewm]

I agree completely with you guys! I went in wanting a very fun film, and that's what I got! I especially enjoyed the character development a lot of the characters got, especially Hawkeye! I also loved Black Widow and Hulk. I'm just so frustrated that we're not going to get a Black Widow film because it's become obvious that Black Widow needs her own film. I haven't read or watched any reviews aside from this one and Grace Randolph's spoiler free review on Beyond the Trailer, so all I knew was that people were saying the film was getting mixed reviews and some said they liked the first film more.

[@urulai]

Honestly, Ultron turned out to be a way more interesting villain than I thought he would be.

[@MEGAZSTUDIOS]

The movie is good really good. I think where they went a bit off is that they probably had to cut a few scenes to shorten it resulting in some things not being explained very well in the movie.

[@andrewvanhalen1984]

I saw the first movie in theaters and it was the best movie I've ever seen. After seeing this I thought it was even better.

[@Disney65Fan]

Yeah I seen Spiderman as well in the ending credits LOL. I seen the new movie. It was alright(Avengers 2).

[@AlexAceves1994]

You may say so, but I loved it.

[@slagarcrue85]

Tonny made Ultron in the avenger movie that came out before age of Ultron and the avengers live action. Yes there was animated movie trilogy for avengers that was made a long time ago and Ultron was in the last film they made in it.

[@IvanKNIGHTFROGSROCK]

Looking at their book collection makes me wonder what they think of the Watchmen movie