Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice - Sibling Rivalry

Is the movie really as bad as the critics say? Yes and no...mostly yes. Sigh, just see what Doug and Rob have to say about Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice.
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[@ChaoticAnamnesis]

I liked that it looked as if Wonder Woman was trying to get away from the movie itself throughout the entire movie. It's only after shit gets real that she goes "Christ, ok. I guess I'll do SOMETHING."

[@ebbie0074]

lol

[@tristenj1992]

+Carmen McCarthy Kindly fuck off.

[@meleemastermaa1449]

+Kenshi0909 Looks like she was in her own movie until the end.

[@TankLCDx]

+Kenshi0909 rofl you just explained her role better than the movie did. im taking it as canon since its a better point than whatever the fuck they were actually trying to do with her.

[@TheJustin4848]

+Kenshi0909 Really? She was fine to me. It sounds like you're talking out of your ass, honestly.

[@superrobz]

Pros: Ben Affleck as Batman, Jeremy Irons as Alfred and Batman/Superman on screen together Cons: Everything else...

[@DarkEclipse23]

+Rob Picken I thought the batman fight scenes itself were good as well. Then again it's just the arkham game vibes I got lol

[@danrodriguez7208]

What about wonder woman?

[@superrobz]

+Dan Rodriguez shit, Gal Gadot was a lousy choice

[@LoN3wOlF5tudi0s]

I thought the Ben Affleck Batman stuff was just fairly decent, didn't like it as much as everyone else.

[@hobez64]

I think you mean Ben Afleck as Bruce Wayne

[@FlowingStarlight]

"Critics who've never read a comic book, ever." It shouldn't freaking matter. Your movie should be able to stand on its own two legs. If you had to have seen the source material in order to enjoy an adaptation, you aren't doing the franchise justice. ...No pun intended...

[@jarekgunther]

☝This.

[@RedfurredPikachu]

You've got a good point there, but there's a difference between needing to read the source material and respecting the charachter in the comic. Marvel movies do take liberities from their comics, but it is also in respect to the charachters. Tony stark did'nt build ultron in the comic, but you can understand why he would because it fits with his charachter especially considering what he saw in that wormhole.

[@annnee6818]

FlowingStarlight You're right. Also this "It's made for comic book fans" excuse really holds no water. You cannot cater a movie that needs to make a billion to a niche audience. And yes, I know there's a metric fuckton of comic book fans... But to make a billion you need to appeal to general audiences, it's just a fact.

[@TheQuantum09]

It DOESN'T matter.....because if you take away the comic-book aspect, there are problems with BVS AS A MOVIE.

[@misslauj]

Agreed! I've never read a single comic book ever, but that did not stop me from enjoying the Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan Batman Movies and the MCU movies.

[@guyr3618]

"Suicide Squad looks like a good movie!" Oh, my sweet summer child...

[@jarekgunther]

Correction-- it _looks_ good. Buuuuuuuut...well, you know.

[@albertosaurschannel6946]

Aside from being bad, I liked Suicide Squad more than Batman V Superman. Reason why is I think it was Harley Quinn and the Deadshot. It feels like they steal the show and have personality. As for Batman v Superman, i felt like watching two kittens being skinned alive. The two kitten should being Superman and Batman. It's down right disgusting.

[@guyr3618]

Alberto Arras Yeah, I preferred SS too. I think that both movies are extremely DUMB, but at least SS wasn't also *pretentious*, like BvS. BvS was both dumb AND pretentious, at the same time, and that's just unforgiveable. Watching a dumb movie is frustrating, but watching a dumb movie that also thinks that it's brilliant is *unbearable*.

[@BugsyFoga]

Guy R It waste too bad.

[@EmptyAltruism]

The only part of SS that was good looking was margot robbie

[@mstrainjr]

I find it ironic that so many people were unsure about Ben Affleck being Batman, and he ended up being the best thing about this movie. I don't care about the Justic League; I want more Batman films starring Affleck!

[@caleblee8783]

прошло 6 лет и мы до сих пор не получили его 😭

[@Fr0stTr011]

Lex Luthor ruined this film, I'll give you that. Wait... if Luthor killed this Batman/Superman film, does that mean in some sneaky underhanded way that Luthor actually achieved his goal and succeeded in killing Superman by killing this movie?

[@Jobsih]

Damn

[@luisiana1121]

+Fr0stTr011 Over-speculation much lol

[@inserthernamehere]

+The Slick Android from what I can tell, this Luthor would steal forty cakes and that's terrible.

[@bamboosa]

+Fr0stTr011 - you have Brucified the equation, good work, detective.

[@sethchritton9926]

+The Slick Android This is true of Lex...but he was Alexander Luthor...junior

[@pytko3]

This movie answers the question:What if Superman and Batman were ass-holes?

[@bumbo11111]

batman was an awesome asshole

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@bumbo11111 no he was just horrible

[@paulovinasrocha6166]

@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 i think he meant overal, not this movie

[@dalebrush5366]

She's with you, Batman. You sent her an email!

[@josecarranza7555]

+Walter Kovacs Batman thought WonderWoman was with superman cause they both have super powers. Batman was barely getting to know who both were, they were both strangers to him.

[@2deepy]

+Michael Carranza That doesn't really make sense. Superman has never worked with any other super powered people in the eye of the public. It's not like Superman was such a stranger to Batman that the latter wouldn't know that. And Batman has already met Wonder Woman, so he KNOWS who she is. Why would he ever think that she would be with Superman? And if she were, wouldn't she have been present during their fight? The line just doesn't work.

[@rosienroller]

+Michael Carranza That's Superacist

[@josecarranza7555]

It does make sense, you're just too dumb to realize it.

[@2deepy]

+Michael Carranza So Batman, the world's greatest detective, cannot figure out who the woman he met earlier is? Batman has never seen Superman work with anyone else, AND Batman is the one who had a flirtatious conversation with her. Not Superman. Did he just assume "Oh, I guess the woman I talked with at the museum just so happens to be here to help out Superman, whom she presumably has never met, as she lives undercover to prevent anyone from knowing she's over 100 years old"? Why do either of them think she's there "with" someone else? Maybe she's just there to help out against Doomsday? Sorry, the line doesn't make sense. How am I the one who's dumb? The writers couldn't seem to remember they had Batman and Wonder Woman meet earlier in the film, so maybe they're the illogical ones.

[@RM2011ish]

I find it amazing that the DCAU cartoons (aimed at kids) are more mature and well-written than the big Hollywood productions. The animated Batman vs. Superman WAS better. I didn't hate this movie, but it had lots of problems.

[@bud389]

+Rashad Moore You're an idiot. This movie was a hell of a lot more well written than the DCAU cartoons. Go read Armond White's review.

[@bangBANGDEAD132]

+bud389 bvs is boring

[@chrismalott7171]

The dcau is arguably better than the current MCU. Even the current dcau is better than this aborted attempt at a cinematic universe. Hell, teen Titans vs justice league movie was written waaaay better than bvs. God's and monsters is what man of steel tried to be. It's sad that DC can only do live action TV shows and cartoons.

[@icecreamhero2375]

Teen Titans Go

[@Miglohara]

bud389 If you think this is better than Batman The Animated Series, you're fucking insane.

[@N3bu14Gr4y]

Anyone else realize that Doomsday's origin in this movie is almost identical to Nuclear Man's in Superman 4? All that's missing is the solar womb.

[@shizuwolf]

Now I hate this movie even more

[@TheIrelander95]

+TinyFoxTom Oh good lord you're right. I hadn't noticed that, as if his origin in the movie wasn't stupid enough but now I can link it to Superman 4 writing.

[@MrGlenbw]

The biggest difference here is that even Nuclear Man has more personality and a clearer motive than that LOTR troll reject.

[@curryfishheadenjoyer]

TinyFoxTom “oh my god they’re ripping off superman 4, the worst superman movie ever!!!”

[@DaiGato420]

TinyFoxTom and ice cream

[@Daniel-zp2pi]

Y'know what's just sad, Spider-Man had even more dialogue in Captain America: Civil War than Superman did in Dawn of Justice. And Spider-Man was only in that movie for 30 mins. (Yeah, I counted)

[@amazo88]

and y'know whats even more sad, that there r people who actually thought the number lines affect the significance of a character.

[@Sasu123456789x1]

+amazo88 Agreed

[@tyspyranger]

It's sad that in Civil War we get a complete understanding of who Spider-Man is as a character, but we still know nothing about Superman despite having two films with him already. Good job DC.

[@SSC0002]

+tyspyranger Hopefully Justice League can fix everything and we can forget this ever happened

[@justinriley]

Batman V Superman (And to a lesser extent, Man Of Steel) have damaged this franchise to the point that it would be impossible for them to fix it all.

[@maxpalombella11]

A scene idea to show how you make Lois/Clark dynamic better. Lois is in the desert, it all goes down, shes taken hostage, Superman smashes down to confront the terrorist who has a gun to her head. She gives him a knowing look. Superman "lasers" the man's gun to melt it or stop it from firing. With the gun disabled Lois lays a serious smackdown on him (some Krav Maga perhaps, she is the daughter of an Army General after all) and takes him down. In that one seen you show multiple ways in which they work as a couple. They trust each other, they understand each other and they work together as one. It also shows that shes a strong and capable badass in her own right. Instead they write her as a clumsy ditz who needs constant rescuing from her invulnerable god-toy.

[@mistersMsMonica]

+Max Palombella hmmm, had the scene played out that way, it would have worked much better.

[@sora363]

Hated the tub scene as well when i saw it with my brother i told asked him why the fuck is this scene in the movie felt forced and awkward as fuck

[@famyemil]

Agreed.

[@sora363]

Joe Henshaw it'd be one thing if they were giving us fan service/pointless nuduty scene but they couldnt even do that right

[@ajzeg01]

Maybe we'll see her bewbs in the R-rated director's cut on DVD!

[@TheJanissary90]

+sora363 Exaclty.They could use that scene for explain Superman's vision,porpuse.But Zack Snyder don't care character development. Just start to suck each others faces! *P.S:That Scene directed by Tommy Wiseau.*:D

[@riddlz814]

+Megathreat T-2000 Warhound hell, when Lois told him that they were talking about him on tv he literally said he didn't care

[@sperrin]

The only good thing about this film is that it got me really interested in stand alone Affleck starring Batman film. Everything else was shit.

[@IntegralBif]

The writer didn't understand the difference between utilitarianism and kantian philosophy (categorical imperative). Therefore Batman is now a murderer. They don't realize that katian philosophy is at the heart of ALL of Batman's relationships with his rogues gallery including superman. By changing that one thing willy nilly, they basically abandoned every argument with every character in Batman's universe. The joker should not only be dead in this reality, but he simply should never had existed in the first place. Batman v superman failed miserably because of that one change and they clearly are none the wiser. I think the reason Batman fans gravitate towards him and not Ironman or other superheroes is because of his adherence to the categorical imperative. To replace it with bullshit utilitarianism is to fundamentally betray the character and all prospects of telling a good Batman story.

[@apeezychannel]

Than you must not understand that after the death of Jason Todo batman as actually very brutal until Tim Drake came around.

[@Caeser999]

+IntegralBif See now you're being paradoxical, the screenplay/script should not and did not follow subjective moral precepts despite several consensus. Correlating these ethical philosophies is not an atrocious analogy but you have to tread carefully. What your saying is the polar opposite of what Terrio and Goyer did; they differentiated and segregated utilitarianism and categorical imperative when applying emotional arcs. You have to remember that as the movie said, "this is a paradigm shift." Bruce is broken, so manifesting disobedience to some of these philosophies while regulating towards others is completely faultless (It builds story and character). And The complexity of doing so is beyond exemplary. As for the joker, we have to wait for suicide squad and the rest of the DCEU, to see how these characters grow with the story (how morals change). This movie along with other films with adequate character development where character studies, thereby they associated morals and ethics contingent to the film as a whole. Pertaining the rouges gallery and comics writers such as Geoff Johns, Scott Snyder, etc also do so accordingly. This is why philosophers are looked down upon, the mere notion of certain philosophies (mostly from Kant's era) are contradictory, up to this day most philosophies from the past are debunked and rendered subjective.

[@jpk9902]

+IntegralBif You must have took Intro to Ethics.

[@Caeser999]

Crackerjap, although it seems that IntergralBif is correct, read my comment about how some elements of his comment are not adequate. What I forgot to mention was that every project has the right to creative freedom and put BvS in context to the source material (comics), after Robin died Bruce starting murdering for a while. That tied into his moral code and also ties into the ethics we're talking about.

[@zsedcftglkjh]

I had no problem with the God/Jesus imagery, the problem was Snyder shoved it down our throats. "you get? Let me spell it out for you. How about now?"

[@bavtie1]

Geez, the cross that shines the light on superman at the end (which I just realise is an image of a painting where they take Jesus of the cross) is so obnoxious! It really pisses me off. I can't stand the Jesus imagery in this mostly BECAUSE they cram it down your throat

[@zsedcftglkjh]

Right on.

[@Darkraisvictim]

I thought Lex Luther was the best character, he was entertaining, and had really great lines

[@naodamdetsyon6929]

Lol

[@Darkraisvictim]

***** either way he was still good

[@Ferryman95]

+Darkrai's Victum He was a good villain, but he was not Lex.

[@leguan278]

+Darkrai's Victum ...but he was not lex... he was a joker knock off... and that sucks so bad....

[@ChampRKO136]

LOL!!!!! I think he would've been better as The Riddler.

[@bowmaj8666]

"BECAUSE LEX HAS HIS MUMMY!!!" Classic!

[@TheBUCfifty]

I really hope that "Deadpool" set the standard of how to do the *Comic Book characters* in a movie. There is reason that "Deadpool" is just about Universally loved while this movie is heavily divided. And NO, it's not because, "hurr durr Marvel fans Hate ALL DC", Deadpool was *HATED* in "Wolverine Origins", but completely loved in his new movie. Why? Because they stuck close to the source that gave birth to the love of the character. Go figure, when you stay close to that comics that made the love, you have a more loved movie by fans... who knew? Overall, this movie was a [C], focused too damn hard on the sequels, and not being a movie that can easily stand on its own too feet. - The whole Batman V Superman, was build up with a bad payoff. Luther blackmails Superman into fighting Batman? Really? Is that the best reason to come up with for the fight? I was hoping that it would be a Battle of Ideologies where they wanted to stop each other, not "Hey, I have your mom." - Doomsday was not needed and 'Killing' Superman was a really bad move to me. We KNOW for sure that he is coming back, but doing it so early killed a lot of the tension for later. The fight itself I loved, until the end. When Superman who could barely swim with the spear takes down Doomsday with it. During that whole part I thought, "Give the damn Spear to Wonder Woman!" Or even have Batman AND Superman work together to stab Doomsday with the spear since he knows that Superman would be weak holding it.

[@TheAngelinaSummer]

👏👏👏👍

[@meleemastermaa1449]

+The Slick Android Yeah, I found pretty strange how Superman wanted to chat with Batman instead of fighting and Batman went all "I must kill Superman!". I get he's angry and all, but he was supposed to be the mature and experienced hero here.

[@TrthBtolD777]

Some of your points are painfully bad and I'm glad you did not direct this novie. Come on man... "give the spear to Batman so he can kill doomsday??" )?Not a chance...

[@indrought9097]

+TheBUCfifty I don't think they should make every superhero movie like they did with deadpool because deadpool was uniquely amazing.

[@TheBUCfifty]

TrthBtolD777 Hard to believe my points are "Painfully Bad" when you clearly didn't read my comment, I said, "Or even have Batman *AND* Superman work together to kill Doomsday with the spear". Not, "give the spear to Batman so he can kill doomsday" so I don't know what you were reading.

[@codyandfriendsplay12]

i liked how Ben Affleck was better than people expected. deserves to be in top ten actors/voice actors as Batman.

[@DaDaPieGaming]

Who is watching this today?

[@taracat1235]

The movie or the video

[@DaDaPieGaming]

both.

[@thtr1310]

+Miners In The Tardis Fuck this movie, I'm watching Dark Knight Returns again

[@thatonekidinschoolwhoeatsglue]

me

[@TristanCannon1]

+Miners In The Tardis Maybe this weekend, it perplexes me enough to warrant another watch.

[@chaosinorderrr]

I'm glad finally someone (Rob) called out the borderline incoherent action sequences in this movie, which most people seem to be praising.

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

they REALLY thought this was a thinking man's movie and some of those dc fanboys straight drank that kool aid right up

[@alesin1992]

Well the movie is trying really hard to convince you it's deep and smart, but falls on its face so bad it becomes unintentionally hilarious. When you're watching a multimillion dollar production, you shouldn't be thinking of The Room, but that's where my mind went.

[@alesin1992]

***** yup, 2 edgy 4 little minds durrrrrrrrrr

[@gamemediafan1714]

@@alesin1992 I would kill to see Batman asking Superman about his sex life.

[@bigbadseed7665]

This movie expects you to know who Wonder Woman is for her scenes to make sense. It expects you to know that Bruce Wayne is Batman for his scenes with Clark Kent to make sense. Yet it doesn't expect you to figure out that Lex Luthor is the bad guy?

[@SpongeyTheEditor]

As someone who is neutral to the film, the fanboys (on both sides, honestly) really piss me off.

[@KaijaSchmauss]

+AntonyBlalock Same. I thought it was okay. Not that bad, but not the best either. But dear God, if I have to listen to one more fanboy tell me it's "too smart for Marvel fans or critics", I'm going to scream. I'm also going to scream if I have to hear one more rant about how it's the worst thing ever. Both sides need to stop taking it so seriously.

[@Kaefer1973]

+AntonyBlalock If it's like MoS, I'm quite sure it could be cut to an actually good movie if all repetitive dialog and unnecessary side plot lines are completely removed and all gratuitous action sequences are drastically shortened. But I don't know since I didn't see it.

[@mitchellhorton9382]

It's REALLY frustrating to see them waste Doomsday. Doomsday should be built up over a couple of movies. You also need the whole Justice League formed and established, so we know how badass they are. Because then, when the entire JLA goes straight at Doomsday and he tears them apart, it has IMPACT. Then, you can do a literal 30 minute battle if you want, encompassing a week of combat, with Superman fighting nonstop, the only breaks being when another JL member recovers enough to distract Doomsday for a few moments. We can watch heroes we've cheered for and seen victorious beaten like ants, and we can see Superman rise to his full potential, unleashing his full power, as he realizes that holding back even the tiniest bit will doom the Earth.

[@jonnoweb]

AntonyBlalock I don't hate it or love it. I do prefer Civil War as a coherent movie, but BVS has so much good in it mixed with a bunch of crap. DC fanboys get me annoyed and so do the Marvel fanboys.

[@TheSpoofMan3]

Honestly I think Lois' character is the bane of any Superman movie, that character has always been a nuisance than someone who actually feels natural and helpful. Always feels like they are shoving her character in the movies just because she's lois.

[@luckiller019]

+TheSpoofMan3 Louis is same antique of comics Golden age as Superman red underpants.

[@comicbeliever7354]

problems was lex luthor, like what the fuck is he saying "the red capes are coming", "Boys! Mm, Bruce Wayne meets Clark Kent. Ah, I love it! I love bringing people together! How are we?" - what the fuck were they thinking by adding this weird shit.

[@Mayeur000Donz]

I talked to someone who liked the movie, and he told me the "Red Capes" was a reference to "Red Coats", as in the British invading America. So, technically his lines do have purpose and hint at his character, but I can never ignore how they usually feel like they're PLEADING to be put on a shirt. Like, I don't think I can defend that "ding ding ding" part, at the end...

[@comicbeliever7354]

+Mayeur000Donz Ohhh ok thanks

[@TyrBarghest]

Personally, I felt like Wonder Woman shouldn't been in this movie. She had the exact same problem as Lane did. Nothing to do. In her first scene, she steals something. Next scene she gives it back due to not knowing how it works. Scene after that, she's reading files that we (the audience) could've seen when Wayne had them. Next scene she's leaving a plane and heading into the fight, but that was only because they nuked Kent in space. The writers or maybe the studio had to go way out of their way to force her into a movie that didn't need her in it. The sole purpose of her being here was simply for a Justice League movie that might not even happen.

[@2Scribble]

Maybe she had no PURPOSE - but dear GOD - she was far more interesting than most of the rest of the cast...

[@VideoGameFreakW97]

Wonder Woman was cool outside of her costume, but she was incredibly underdeveloped, her being Wonder Woman came out of fucking nowhere. Also she's not a good action-movie actor, her angry face looks so lame, I couldn't take her serious with the faces she was making.

[@dr.donut5881]

Same!

[@GeeMannn]

+KC she looked constipated lol

[@shrektheogre4349]

I thought she was pretty badass though. I agree that her lack of character development was a bit of an issue, but it's nothing that can't be fixed in a standalone movie

[@kevinmiddleton946]

+KC I didn't think her faces were angry as much as her enjoying the combat, looked more like crooked smiles to me.

[@darkblood626]

+KC She was also OP as fuck. She out smarted batman, ran rings around Doomsday while Superman was getting his ass kicked, cut one of its arms off, shrugged off everything it could dish out and the one time it did land a solid hit she just smiled as if to say 'Oh, cheeky'...

[@ChristopherZeta1999]

K..G...B...BEAST. that Russian guy was KGB Beast.

[@Wattothejunkdealer]

really

[@ChristopherZeta1999]

Hayden Roberts yes but it's unfortunate that I had to tell you. Because when people saw Captain America Winter Solider they tell you who these people are. Falcon Winter solider Baltrox The Leaper In Batman V Superman They don't. They freaking killed Jimmy Olsen Plus they killed Mercy Graves Like DC has no clue what world Building is.

[@Tactical_Therapist]

+xMysticEpyonx I hope they do that story line!

[@bobcho105]

+xMysticEpyonx it's Jimmy fucking Olsen and Marcy useless Graves...who cares? when would they use them in the future?

[@FlameOfUdun96]

+Roberto Sauma supporting cast in future superman movies? What do you think?

[@TheBaldingPied]

I just payed $10 to play "Spot the Reference!"

[@trvscls07]

Zack Snyder is Superman's true archenemy. He's done the most damage to him than any other villain.

[@mathieutrudelle763]

+trvscls07 what about darkseid i mean he did manipulate him more than one time, there also the joker in injustice

[@Logan912]

+trvscls07 Nah, Frank Miller is still worse if we're talking about the entire history of Superman although Miller's real destruction was Batman.

[@justinthomas4612]

+Logan Palmer well Snyder took influence from Miller and added his Ayan Randian philosophy to the mix

[@chaossbm56]

After the UC was released, guess WB is now the archenemy. Zach was the meat sheild

[@albertosaurschannel6946]

And I don't know if Wonder Woman would be good due to Zack Snyder being the co-writer of the story and co-producer. I hoping it be good due to Geoff Johns as the new head of the DCEU films but it feels like the damage has been done.

[@Hazzzyyyyyy]

Lex Luthor should of just made superman fly through rings.

[@tomaszurbaniak4312]

zing! xD

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

IF YOU WANNA SAVE YOUR FRIENDS, SOLVE MY MAZE!

[@IndyFilmProductions]

Just taking about being dark while still being funny, I think Jessica Jones is a great example. That show is dark, brutally dark and really heartbreaking seeing what the main character goes through with the PTSD and mental abuse. However, she is one the funniest character in the MCU, just based on how she bounces back from situations. Also the scene early on in the series when she is gathering her support group is probably one of the hardest I've laughed in an MCU property outside of Antman and Guardians of the Galaxy.

[@IncapableLP]

Well i have to say ONE thing about the Marvel-Formula: They did not cramp everything into one movie and expected it to work. Marvel had some setup-movies. To focus on ONE character for one movie and THEN they threw everyone into "The Avengers". That would've been the thing DC should copy, because you cannot introduce this big bunch of huge Superheroes and expect it to work. DAMN i'd have loved a PROPER Wonder Woman movie to introduce her for this one...though her role here still was kinda "Eh..." Also: In the end i liked the casting choice for Woner Woman more, than i expected, but seriously...why do we always get those f-ing model-like women? (Yes i know why! That was rhetorical). I mean Wonder Woman is a fucking BEAST and also looks like that. She could punch Superman and he would FEEL THAT PUNCH! She is the finest warrior of the amazon-tribe and those girls are BAD-FUCKING-ASS. I, for once, want a Wonder Woman, that looks like the badass she is. Get an actress that looks like she could kick me to the moon.

[@BubblesZap]

+IncapableLP for civil war they kinda did the same thing as BvS, except it somehow worked.

[@IncapableLP]

Jkop Well they already had well established characters, that had their own movies before that. We already know how Iron Man ticks, we already know what Cap would do in a given situation. They did some new things, yes, but they didn't try to put EVERYTHING the universe has into one movie, trying to explain it.

[@Logan912]

+Jkop That's because in Civil War we're already 13 movies into the MCU (plus TV and Netflix shows,) and everybody was IN CHARACTER - something David S. Goyer knows nothing about. I'll admit, I don't think Man of Steel or Batman V Superman are bad movies. It's just that, for me, MoS is "meh" throughout, and BvS has a bad scene for every good scene.

[@trishahernz7809]

It's because we saw how Iron Man and Captain America progressed in their character main films, we know the supporting characters, and we saw the fallout how their world perceived the Avengers for every finale blowing things up.

[@batdan350]

+Jkop Yeah Critics are biased towards Marvel, so they can do the exact same thing Batman V Superman did and not get hated.

[@LibeliumDragonfly]

My problem? This film feels totally like a film made by a fanboy rather than a coherent movie.

[@Huhmasta]

+despairedboy It's a film made by idiots FOR idiots

[@nathaneskin3572]

Actually it feels less like it was made by a fan, and more like it was made by someone who hates Batman and Superman.

[@LatterDayPup]

Bird Person wow hating people for liking something is a new low for people like you.

[@glentalbot9166]

Batman Vs. Superman is a mess.

[@shawklan27]

But a entertaining one...

[@janetgray6220]

This just confirms to me that there are damn few people who know how to write Superman right. People are such Batman sycophants they just aren't interested in doing Supes justice or just don't get it.

[@loki_l_1380]

My reaction to Superman in BvS. "Jesus christ, smile once in a while man! Your superman, smile!!"

[@dragonsword8129]

That comment feels hard to agree with when your icon is the Joker, but I definitely agree regardless. :)

[@TheEternalOuroboros]

how can he when the world turns against him, and he destroyed and killed so many things and people...

[@loki_l_1380]

DeathCreationist The special thing about superman is that he well always do the right thing. And he well always bring a smile to the fight in order to maintain that symbol of hope.

[@TheEternalOuroboros]

Rigor Mortis it was hard to have hope when you know you killed countless people and destroyed a city... I get what you mean, and I think he was a bit too sad in this, but I understood why he was in this film.

[@jarekgunther]

Even Honest Trailers said that. XD

[@Kwink]

Rob's rant at the end gave me an idea. As you pretty much appear to be through with everything Disney ever did, why not do a "DCmber" this year and go through all the movies based on DC comics?

[@thestwinner680]

+KWiNK I subscribe to that idea ;)

[@mscooldeadly]

I felt bad when I saw how sad Ben looked in that interview when really his character was the saving grace of BvS. Critics and fans loved his Batman and wanted to see more of him and Alfred and less of Superman and Lois.

[@android19willpwn]

I enjoyed this movie beginning to end. I would under no circumstances say that it was good, but the trainwreck was so beautiful and so curious that it never left me bored. And as a follow-up to Man of Steel, that's an achievement. The main thing is that the movie is silly. From the first random horse all the way to the last, it's a silly movie. I accepted that immediately, and had a good time. The first act was spent trying to piece together the plot through all the horrible editing, and the second and third acts had some actually really good fights in them. Plus Lex Jr. was just an absolute treat whenever he was on screen.

[@dvass7253]

Here's the thing with the more serious tone of the DCEU in comparison to the tone of the MCU - on paper, it's a good idea. But the execution is not the best. I'm gonna use another franchise to describe what the DCEU should be like. If the MCU is Harry Potter, then the DCEU should be Lord of the Rings. What do I mean by that. Well, in Harry Potter: 1) the setting is our world, with fantastic elements inhabiting it; 2) the characters are down-to-earth, human, flawed and relatable. This fully applies to the MCU. In Lord of the Rings, however: 1) the setting is another world entirely and everything is grand and epic; 2) the characters are larger than life but still human enough for us to like them and root for them. That's what the characters in the DCEU should be. I also compare the Harry Potter series to the MCU's Phase One - the previous installments set up a big, grand payoff; in the case of HP it's Deathly Hallows, in the case of the MCU it's The Avengers. Lord of the Rings tells one huge overarching tale. And that's how the DCEU should have started - with a Justice League trilogy that tells one huge overarching story culminating with the League facing off against Darkseid. After that, the studios would have free reign to do all the storylines we've waited God knows how long to see - Crisis on Infinite Earths, Tower of Babel, Blackest Night, Teen Titans: The Judas Contract, The Death of Superman, etc., etc.

[@Nuvendil]

Still don't get the Dark Knight Rises hate. Seriously don't. I mean, no it isn't as good as Dark Knight. I accept that. But I swear I can't see what the complaints are about most of the time. I understand the Man of Steel complaints FAR more than the Dark Knight Rises complaints.

[@pullupthen5073]

TDKR is better than Batman Begins IMO

[@oobndroobw]

There's just not much to it. It works while you watch it, but there's no real re-watch value in my opinion.

[@Nuvendil]

Brandon Standifer That's where I put it. It also is more dependent on past films. It's the thematic conclusion to the trilogy, the true and final victory over the Joker. In the DKR, you actually see the Joker DID win as truth/good was exchanged for a lie. And that ultimately plays a roll in all the conflict in DKR. But in the end, truth and real justice prevail. I think that's part of the issue with it some have.

[@elianci6717]

it's a great movie it was just not as good as it's predecessor

[@Nuvendil]

Jake Sangria Depends on what Batman you are talking about. There have been some really grim depictions.

[@BobbyDrake2000]

"New Coke? This tastes like shit!" "Oh, you critics just don't get it."

[@Kaefer1973]

+Tobias Christopher When I told my Brother I didn't like the matrix he also thought I don't get it, he even did a little quiz to check if I actually understood it^^ Must have broken his head, people can understand something I like and still not like it. How is that possible?

[@timothylewis2527]

One last post and I'm gone. Has anyone ever read JLA vs Avengers? There was a part in that story where they went to each other's universes. You want to know what's crazy? The DC guys thought the Marvel heroes were evil because everybody was afraid of the heroes in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man was a menace, the X-Men were feared, etc. Then, in the DC Universe, the Marvel heroes thought the DC heroes were tyrants. There were Superman statues and a fucking Flash museum. They had to be forcing people to worship them. Look at the movies and people love the Marvel heroes in the Marvel Universe and fear the DC heroes in the DCU. Crazy!

[@vincentjanse]

He why does Snoopavision not work!

[@4-U-CITYGIRL]

*Hey

[@hueylongdong347]

+Vinnie J Because only 8 vids have it

[@vincentjanse]

Always awesome meeting a Invincible fan!

[@127fenix]

+Vinnie J Can't wait for issue 127 on the 20th.

[@mewtwomotherfuka]

+Vinnie J Why am i getting pissed off ever 2nd i sit here trying to watch this vid. This movie was amazing and hes calling it mediocre.

[@thedean0]

The first 20 minutes, the Batman Mad Max scene, the fight, and the Luthor performance were my favorite parts. Luthor just because of how over the top he was and how insane you felt he was.

[@LoudToon99]

Did I enjoy the movie? Yes Do I think it's great? No. Is it a good popcorn film? Definitely.

[@LoudToon99]

+juan manuel Definitely

[@Vulken2000]

+Alex Ramirez 3:07

[@LamunesADV]

You know who did better? The animators of DC Comics. DC animated movies are so cool, way better than live action.

[@Kaefer1973]

+Carlos „Lamunes“ Bacchin I second that. Both in animated movies and animated series, DC always did a really great job (well not always, but mostly).

[@bigboss9150]

Rob, you were a breath of fresh air. You said it exactly how it is.

[@bigboss9150]

***** First of all, nice Zuko pic. It's nice to see another ATLA fan. Second of all, I also agree. Ben Affleck is the best live-action Batman.

[@bigboss9150]

***** Couldn't agree more.

[@Waltuh6]

Am I the only one who found Man of Steel to be painfully boring

[@InTheEnd75]

Here with you on that

[@POLE7645]

Boring and joyless.

[@AdamDampOwlPowell]

Absolutely. Such a dull movie.

[@IndecisiveJR]

Same.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

I found it boring in parts, but not altogether.

[@cbrianmcguire]

My big problem is that this isn't the great movie everyone thought it was. The title alone could have made this the greatest movie ever. There was delay, after delay. The trailers were okay, good, sucked, and then got better. But nope, even 97% of the diehard fans say there are problems. COME ON DC!!!

[@jessica_jam4386]

Thank you! As a DC fan, this movie disappointed me:(. I'm with you guys, about half the movie was great, and the other half was anywhere from boring to cringeworthy

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

Batman vs Lex Luthor:Yawn of Injustice.

[@farmzombie]

An old rule of storytelling: if a character serves no function, that character should not be there. That's how I felt about Wonder Woman, Cyborg, etc. They were just there as a springboard for future movies. In Batman v. Superman, they were just distractions in an already overlong movie.

[@haedencouturier3519]

"Suicide Squad looks like fun though" If only they knew

[@adj789]

I liked the movie, the action sequences are worth it. I agree the story is all over the place and really should've been 2 movies but there was a lot of cool stuff.

[@TheFreshcorn1]

It's sad when people are more exited for the movie about Super Villains and not the one about Super Heroes.

[@thomashall6733]

Not really. by far the most important part of any superhero film is a super villain. why wouldn't you try to comprise a movie of them?

[@grobanlover292]

+Theodore Smith Welcome to DC, where the villians are the attraction, and the heroes exist simply to be their foil.

[@TheFrostbite324]

Why was it that I was more excited to see Lego Batman in the previews when going to see this movie

[@nickthebrony1298]

because lego batman might actually be entertaining

[@nickthebrony1298]

because lego batman might actually be entertaining

[@Mark_Lunn]

Batman vs Superman = Disappointment

[@balabanasireti]

For me it was not great, not bad, just good. I would give it a 7/10. That's just my opinion tho.

[@sunchywunchy9461]

+Munzur Baba You're diminishing that rating by giving it to a mediocre movie. 7's are good, 8's are great, 9's are awesome, and 10's are when it hits on every cylinder.

[@balabanasireti]

mike hunt​ I know. I would give it a 7 because I think it's good but not great.

[@sunchywunchy9461]

Munzur Baba Oh sorry about that, pay no attention.

[@eveningstar7812]

If you wanna see Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in the same movie. Then you got it and is worth the watch in my opinion. But for he most part it's a 2 and a half hour, somewhat boring, mess.

[@balabanasireti]

mike hunt It's okay.

[@BatPierrot]

Not agree with everything but yeah, "this is Batman v Superman, how do you not get a great movie out of that" pretty much sumes it up. It is criminal.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

25:00 I agree with Rob. "For the fans?" Anyone who says that is either lying or has no idea what the fans want.

[@gamemediafan1714]

People who say that use that as a way to say "yeah it's totally fine that this movie didn't explore the characters, cause the fans already know about these characters".

[@GhostsDontWalk1]

This review is ten times more entertaining than the Awesome Comics review. Their video was perfectly fine, but you just can't beat the banter and chemistry between Doug and Rob. And I like how this just feels more natural.

[@Waterbottlesandcans]

It seems like the issue is they rushed the cinematic universe. If they had a separate batman and Wonder Woman movies they could add more backstory to each then earn the awesome justice league crossover. There were so many marvel movies before avengers that earned a crossover.

[@slashingkatie7872]

I love the DC fanboys saying "well the DC movies are dark and hardcore and serious unlike baby Disney Marvel. Captain America: The Winter Soldier says "hi."

[@spiderlee123]

>winter soldier >as dark as BvS holy shit

[@jgames1113]

Daredevil is the dark serious.

[@Uroste]

+Katie Baily Deadpool will hopefully make a prank-video on hardcore DC fanboys

[@jgames1113]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[@Uroste]

A.A. V Did I touch your little nerves? U can't stand any bad parts of the BvsS movie so you imagine something else instead for the bad parts and then you just see the best parts of that "movie". Talk to me when you have gone over your "special needs".

[@RoninDave]

Marvel has done a better job of capturing their character's essence on screen and updating their stories in modern times. They make us appreciate the characters both inside and outside their universe. DC keeps missing the mark in this department. They gave us a Superman who isn't Superman because until he is forced to reveal himself he barely does anything super saving only those who are around him when disaster strikes. Why would anyone like this Superman? He is indirectly responsible for all this death just by being on Earth which eventually led Zod there. Even with the Nolan Batman they screwed up with the last film. The first two movies were really good but the last film sank all that. By having Batman "retire" for 8 years they essentially made Bale's Batman not Batman. He was just a guy in a rubber bat outfit who beat up crooks for about 2 years. The whole point of Batman is that he's obsessed and he would never just give up even if Gotham somehow magically cleaned up crime. There's always crime somewhere. From the public's point of view in the film universe this Batguy was a quasi-bad guy who killed a beloved DA. When he returns after 8 years and lights his signal most of the citizens would probably have been confused not knowing if this was a message of hope or fear or nothing at all since the symbol had not been seen in nearly a decade. Batman is rendered unimportant in his own universe. In BvS we have a Batman who at least has been at it for a long time but has no qualms about murdering people which is directly opposite of the comic book character. Even the hardnose embittered Batman in The Dark Knight Returns isn't this kill-happy. I'm just hoping Suicide Squad is as good as the trailers and I'm looking forward to the animated The Killing Joke with Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy.

[@bigfatcarp93]

+Ronin Dave Thank you.

[@Z7Games]

+Ronin Dave To be fair, Marvel fucks up a lot too, but in the other hand they give us some amazing movies, i guess thats why people forgive them more easily.

[@IndecisiveJR]

+Z7Games the difference though is even there really bad films I can see many liking it cause they are fun to just enjoy like age of ultron is a fun movie way more then the first one but it's pretty bad mainly cause the villain was weak and most parts are just building up civil war and infinity war

[@Em-kg7qn]

I was pretty sure at one point they were going to start reading Plato and Aristotles... Seriously, how much more filoshopic???? The moment Clark's father talked about Langs' horses I almost screamed at the same time as the girl next to me "WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT!!!!!" Not to mention every time Lois and Superman had a moment......Cringe.... Alfred was awesome, the only one that made us smile, Batman was BATMAN and Superwoman made the theatre go crazy...

[@Phanto5692]

You two captured my feelings on the movie perfectly.

[@PabloOlbapPablo]

I'm a comic book fan. This movie makes me want to burn all my DC comics. I'm not a marvel fanboy either. I love DC just as much as Marvel. But holy shit.

[@CeltycSparrow]

I will say this for Batman v Superman...I am a film critic and I have done critiques on most of the Batman movies...I have seen a couple of the Superman movies...and I can honestly say that this film might be one of the better ones that I have seen in either genre. I just wrote my critique of this film tonight and overall it was a very good review. Granted, I am not familiar with the comic books at all, but I liked the theme that the movie had, the cinematography was interesting, and I was legitimately surprised that I liked Ben Affleck as Batman. I did not think he was going to pull it off, but he surprised me and I felt he gave a different kind of portrayal of the character and I liked that it was an older version of Batman...not like Christian Bale or George Cloony who were more comical. Henry Cavill also does well as Superman and I thought the supporting characters were good as well.

[@JefeTheSituation]

+CeltycSparrow I don't know how you can call this one of the better Superman movies when this movie was even barley about Superman. When they were asking the question "should there be a Superman", that was very interesting but basically everything about Superman and that question/theme was completely sidelined and not fleshed out at all. I wouldn't even call this a Superman movie. Its more of a Justice League set up movie. And not to mention this movie was far more flawed then Man of Steel, Superman, and Superman II. Now you are telling me this is a better movie then Batman, Batman Returns, Mask of the Phantasam, Under the Red Hood, Return of the Joker, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and the Dark Knight Rises? Please explain to me how? I liked Affleck as Batman but his portrayal wasn't that much different then Bale. And how as Bale's performance comical exactly? And you thought the supporting cast was good? Please explain. Lex Luthor had no motivation and didn't capture one shred of essence of the character. Lois Lane was shoehorned in and the script was trying so hard to make her relevant it was ridiculous.

[@zrj-ro6304]

How was Bale's performance not comedic? People have compared his Batman voice to throat cancer. Anyway it's all subjective.

[@BladeBlur]

Did Gal Gadot really do that much? I mean she wasn't bad but she didn't really contribute, and this comes from an Israeli person mind you. Now I actually like Laurence Fishburne, he had a couple funny lines.

[@mickeymcgee2657]

I thought that too. She seemed shoehorned in just for the Justice League hype, especially since one of her major scenes consisting entirely of _watching security tapes of future JL members_.

[@kingdomhearts31000]

+BladeBlurX I think the reason why alot of people are geeking out over GG performance as WW is because they are excited to see WW on screen, not GG as WW. That's what I think

[@MrSoulbucket]

doomsday looks like the cavity creeps

[@Liowen]

+Vork88 Doomsday looked more like one of the new Ninja Turtles, maybe he is their stupid cousin or something.

[@jormungaurd]

LOL, I just read what has to be the worst positive review of this movie. The New York Post just posted a positive review of the movie talking how it's too intelligent for Marvel fans. The problem is that even he states that it is only "occasionally interesting", hey numb-nuts if a movie is only "occasionally interesting" it means it's not a good movie.

[@FORTHE_TV]

look, i really liked this movie cause 1st the action 2nd the score 3rd batman 4th the rude superman 5th wonder women 6th the actual fight between bats and sups 7th bruce wayne 8th kent 9th their suits 10th not getting bored it may have some problems but there was a time where we could JUST imagine BATMAN AND SUPERMAN ON THE BIG SCREEN what did you think about this just let me know down below (jeremey jahns reference) and yes i liked my own comment

[@douglasrau5094]

The Dark Knight, in the midst of where it looks like everything is going wrong: Alfred: "I suppose the police will have me arrested as your accomplice." Bruce: "Accomplice? I'm gonna tell them the whole damn thing was your idea." Those 2 lines had more wit then this entire movie.

[@diontesmittie4434]

If DC fucks up Wonder Woman, then they completely fucked. It's strike three for me.

[@diontesmittie4434]

*they're

[@chris200830]

+Dionte Smittie there's still suicide squad before that.

[@alyviabautista5996]

What was the first two strikes?

[@thomashall6733]

dark knight rises wasn't a DCCU movie. (though i do get what you're saying.)

[@RealKyndleNance]

For me Batman and Wonder Woman made the movie. Matter of fact it should've been called Batman and Wonder Woman: Dawn of Justice.

[@retropredator101_9]

Giggidy giggidy goo

[@th3mdt]

They HAD to make it Batman v Superman. You know, because of I Am Legend.

[@Seánasadventure]

awman i hated that bathtub scene so much, it looked so dumb. It felt like they just stuck that in there to fill the sex checkmark in a hollywood movie list.

[@mariokarter13]

Batman V Superman V The General Public

[@momowoods2859]

Finally Rob's Back,I missed him.^-^

[@Thepiller]

I think you got it on the head with the blender metaphor. Its like getting a beautiful 4 course meal and blending it all into a shake. Most of the ingredients are good but not together.

[@dramasweety]

Oh, my friends and I died, DIED when Lois was drowning. It was so beyond hilarious

[@piplup2009]

lex Luthor reminded me of a crazy Justin hammer from iron man 2

[@gokuxsephiroth4505]

+piplup2009 I got that kid from Juno.

[@Gnator8t4]

Honestly... I liked this film. It's not a 5 star hit, butI still enjoyed it for what it was

[@jdzencelowcz]

A) I never saw Gal Gadot as wonder Woman, I saw WONDER WOMAN, that actress did a bang-up job. B) The Batmobile was awesome. C) Bat-fleck had his moments. But everything else.....yeah, kinda fell a bit short.

[@gamemediafan1714]

Coming from 2022 where at this point she's had two solo movies and in two different versions of Justice League..... she's not that good.

[@MrDEMarq]

27:30..Nope, that wasn't even a cave troll. That was a rehash of Bays TMNT avatar without the shell, that's how freaking lazy they were...

[@SamuraiJedi7]

I enjoyed the film mostly. It had it's problems but it honestly didn't bore me. Granted I had no expectations for this movie because of how people kept saying it was going to be awesome or horrible. But my friends and I all pretty much agree that Bruce, Alfred, and WW were all brilliant.

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

+Terrell Allen slow down... WW was in the movie for no longer than 20 mins. Let's reserve judgement on that. She was good for the amount of time she was in there. "brilliant" would be a stretch.

[@GrubbJunker]

I kept waiting the whole review to see the part where you talk about the fact that Lois throws the spear into the water to get rid of it, not knowing anyone can dive in and grab it. And that she is psychic, knowing they'd need the spear and that it'd be effective against a creature she has no idea what it is. And the fact they could have given the spear to Wonder Woman, and Sups would just keep Doomsday in place till she pierced him. She is strong enough after all. She cuts one of Doomsday's hands. And the spear tip is made of Kryptonite, making it that much easier to pierce his heart. =D

[@psychonautmaddy7409]

90% of these videos :Rob: *talk talk talk*Doug: and I think... Rob: *Talk talk talk*

[@InactiveAcc208]

Lmao yeah

[@chrisosullyo91]

+HobbitatHeart This is the first time I've seen a Sibling Rivalry video (3 guesses as to why!) and I now know why I've avoided them for so long. It's always one interrupting the other, but more on Rob's part. When Rob's talking, you can tell Doug's respectful of his opinions, because he lets him finish. The MOMENT Doug opens his mouth, Rob immediately goes ape-shit again without a care for what Doug says.

[@buffaloruffian]

Chris Sullivan Very well, but what if I'm actually right on the money with my shitty youtube comment diagnosis, doc?

[@InactiveAcc208]

+Julien Quenneville give proof

[@theofficialuncleboneless5345]

It felt like lot of the shit that happened in this movie could have happened in their own movies, Wonder Woman had zero purpose, the weapons and suits come out of fucking nowhere, there's literally hardly any explanation, and the ENTIRETY of Doomsday's part of the movie just felt out of place, why put FUCKING OOMSDAY in a movie called Batman V Superman?! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BATMAN VERSUS SUPERMAN!!! This movie's biggest sin is being confusing, it's not bad, but it makes no fucking sense, but at least it wasn't boring (My favorite part of this movie was probably the acting)

[@fanfanatik3144]

This shit is sooooo much better than AngryJoe's review

[@jman2856]

You know, coming from a big superhero fan that enjoys superheroes, Batman v Superman, a superhero movie blockbuster with some of the most iconic DC characters, makes me incredibly bored in the theater and makes me want to leave the theater while the film is playing is a pretty large failure in my book. I have no respect for this film and I honestly hate everything it stands for. This is not a good Batman movie in any way and it's sure as hell isn't even close to being a good Superman movie and no amount of flashy action, fan service, and pretty visuals is going to keep me from saying that this is one of the worst comic book films ever made.

[@phousefilms]

Whole movie sucked.

[@thestwinner680]

Naah, I liked the music → I *Lo♥ed* a certain dark, sentimental theme, quite often/prominent in the movie.

[@andrewheaney4874]

44:34 to 50:00- Agreed. I'm in the category of people who found this movie "alright, with some problems," and about 60% of the other people who saw it that I know of thought the same, Ultimate Edition or not. The other 40% despise it, again whether it's the Ultimate Edition or not! This is BATMAN VS SUPERMAN! HOW is this not a great movie? I also agree DC movies have been getting progressively worse ever since The Dark Knight. While The Dark Knight Rises is in my opinion a great film, it's definitely the least of the Dark Knight Trilogy. Man of Steel at best is good (but not great), and at worse mediocre. The Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition, is overall alright, with some major problems. Suicide Squad? It had three great characters (Deadshot, Harley, and Waller), two good ones (El Diablo and Rick Flag) and absolutely nothing else except maybe a few okay action scenes and a decent soundtrack. Otherwise it's just bad. If Wonder Woman isn't at the very least good, I will no longer pay to see DC movies. The unique WWI setting is promising, and it has a great cast. But I'm not going to be surprised if it's not very good either.

[@jakobrogers625]

Agreed 100%

[@ericbanks6182]

Andrew Heaney

[@jarekgunther]

It pisses me off so much because I love Marvel, but I love DC more in general, but in the films, Marvel is _crushing_ DC to a pulp. I thought Suicide Squad was going to be the light at the end of the tunnel and...well, you know. I will be so depressed if Wonder Woman sucks, cos I'm so tired of waiting for another great film based on my favorite comic series...

[@JoeyParagon]

"I would kill to see Superman save a cat out of a tree" "I forgot about that scene (where he saves people) because it was so fucking boring" ...really? Do you not see the problem here? This is why we have an action-centered Superman. We know he cares about people, and saves people, etc etc, but that's boring as shit on film, especially in a movie that is already crammed full of unnecessary scenes. On top of that, what was he supposed to do in Man of Steel? Stop fighting Zod to save people while Zod just continued to kill more people? I swear I will never understand this criticism.

[@ouroboruo6588]

Lol I love how Rob's interpretation of bitter audience members sounds like a sassy gay man.

[@niallreid7664]

Thousand... Sons..?

[@GreatAwesomeReviewer]

I felt that the biggest issue with DC's recent films, is that they PLANNED an entire cinematic universe. Marvel just sorta took it step by step. First Hulk, then Iron Man, and it went on from there. There was always a feeling that Marvel knew that they had a chance of failing, and thus were careful when setting things up. DC doesn't think that they could ever have a chance of fucking up, and did everything all at once. DC doesn't need to do what Marvel does, they just need to pace themselves like Marvel does.

[@SolarArmadillo]

GreatAwesomeReviewers | StarDust Studios no, Marvel clearly has had a plan from the beginning.

[@jarekgunther]

Technically, IRON MAN was first, but whatever. Yeah, they planned this from the beginning. After the success, Warner Bros went "oh, crap! We gotta catch up! Quick, get everything you can and put it one package!"

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

GreatAwesomeReviewers | StarDust Studios Yeah. If anything, Warner didn't plan enough and rushed. Marvel is too far ahead to have any real competition now, but had Warner/DC been patient, they could have taken the lead eventually.

[@albertosaurschannel6946]

The thing is that filmmakers like David S Goyer and Zack Snyder and Chris Terrio didn't care for comics or Superman for that matter. It's now it's a good thing that. Geoff Johns is now head of the DCEU but I felt like the damage has already been done.

[@jarekgunther]

Geoff Johns is head of the DCEU, yes, you're right. But unfortunately, the DCEU is under the whims of Warner Bros. At least they're doing something to fix it, but it pains me to see the cinematic universe of my favorite comic series (and I love Marvel) crumbling. Wonder Woman will be the deciding factor for the DCEU...and it's hanging by a thread.

[@nickkladky8396]

This would've fixed it: 1) Get a character actor to be Lex (Bryan Cranston could've worked). 2) Have Lex, not Bruce, running around that day Superman fought Zod and have him conclude that Superman is a serious threat. Here is a pair of aliens tearing apart MY CITY, dammit. Only I decide who dies and what gets destroyed in Metropolis.