Avengers: Endgame Time Travel Explained

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Confused by the #AvengersEndgame timeline? Wondering about what it could mean for #MarvelPhaseFour? This video will help you sort it all out. (SPOILERS)
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Written By Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
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@ScreenCrush
@ScreenCrush 5 жыл бұрын
What time travel movie is the best?
@jesussanchez8967
@jesussanchez8967 5 жыл бұрын
Hot Tub Time Machine
@pchain999
@pchain999 5 жыл бұрын
Interstellar
@MrDaftHero
@MrDaftHero 5 жыл бұрын
Looper
@skloop7886
@skloop7886 5 жыл бұрын
bill and ted
@jacobcurtin1454
@jacobcurtin1454 5 жыл бұрын
Endgame
@annabaya2215
@annabaya2215 5 жыл бұрын
I've spent more time studying the MCU and all its components than studying for my finals. Priorties amirite?
@jdartz235
@jdartz235 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂 this is a fact i was like this with Dragon Ball Z too
@georgekoutsoudis2339
@georgekoutsoudis2339 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I’m not the only one
@tomaniston167
@tomaniston167 2 жыл бұрын
Yup me too!! I mean just yesterday my parents were scolding me for re-watching Endgame ...lol
@pforgottonsoul
@pforgottonsoul 2 жыл бұрын
@@jdartz235 luckily dragon ball z is easier to understand.
@royalredbird9717
@royalredbird9717 10 күн бұрын
Me too dude, me too!!
@avi1335
@avi1335 5 жыл бұрын
Red skull be like Natasha daughter of Ivan Gamora daughter of Thanos Steve you son of a bi*ch
@dannybenhur6123
@dannybenhur6123 5 жыл бұрын
Perfect
@JRico847
@JRico847 5 жыл бұрын
Best comment ever!
@Evol1HipHop
@Evol1HipHop 5 жыл бұрын
Lolololol
@lkchandnani
@lkchandnani 5 жыл бұрын
Super LOL
@Salman-sc4nh
@Salman-sc4nh 5 жыл бұрын
You copied the opening joke of Thor ragnorok
@LuckAmazing
@LuckAmazing 5 жыл бұрын
When Captain America went to the past to return all the Infinity Stones he still had the timeline GPS system suit on him which apparently still had enough juice to come back to his original timeline. He just spent his golden years with Peggy, she probably died before him, so he came back to his original point in time to pass on the shield to Falcon.
@dukefrywokker6470
@dukefrywokker6470 5 жыл бұрын
But, didn't he need to come back in that circular power landing pad thingamajig? So how did he get to the bench only a few feet away from them, without being seen? And how did they not see him while they were setting that whole thing up? Was he hiding behind the tree the whole time and waited for his younger self to vanish before he sat on the bench?
@michaellang8461
@michaellang8461 5 жыл бұрын
He technically could have shown up back at the base before any of the others came back from their trips. Time travel. It's always going to be wibbly wobbly lol
@iceberg789
@iceberg789 5 жыл бұрын
you are forgetting thanos could not return. he went MIA from his time line. i.e. infinity war did not take place there.
@louiskevin6896
@louiskevin6896 5 жыл бұрын
Still don't get it, if you can't change the past, how can Steve just be sitting on the bench ? I mean it seems like he just got back in the 40s and lived his life with Peggy, and that creates a new branch in time. BUT, it also means that he can't get back into his original "reality" before the time he left it, which means he should come back on the machine and with the suit, but he would just be old now. So I still don't fucking get how time travel works in Endgame, even after seeing it 2 times I can't wrap my head around how it works..(Oh and also if only one stone missing is bad for the whole universe how come Thanos destroying all 6 of them didn't just like shatter the space continuum or something ?!)
@iceberg789
@iceberg789 5 жыл бұрын
@@louiskevin6896 there can only be one answer. either he was hiding in basement all along with gems. or he is hiding something. but that was a different timeline for sure.
@JR-pp3ed
@JR-pp3ed 5 жыл бұрын
There is no way to Explain It Make a Spin-off Captain America Movie Where he Returns the Stones and Fights The Redskull With Thors Hammer
@ElevenEvilExes
@ElevenEvilExes 5 жыл бұрын
yes please!
@jamespatrick6146
@jamespatrick6146 5 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣😊😊👍🏼
@acethecard8363
@acethecard8363 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe if that happened he could try trade the soul stone back to redskull for black widows life back
@ChristopherX30
@ChristopherX30 5 жыл бұрын
Nope. Let's let Captain rest now. He's served us well.
@ThatmmesubsnovidsLeBreton
@ThatmmesubsnovidsLeBreton 5 жыл бұрын
JR 214 HELL YEAH
@Mustang_Sally_
@Mustang_Sally_ 5 жыл бұрын
Hulk creates everlasting life when he turns Scott into a baby and no one is talking about it. You can live forever in the MCU
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
You act like people don't get murdered or fall off a cliff.
@mr.scarlo2234
@mr.scarlo2234 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if someone was to bring Nat’s body back they can use that on her to bring her back moments before her jump.
@numbernumber25
@numbernumber25 3 жыл бұрын
"I see this as a complete win"
@wal81270
@wal81270 5 жыл бұрын
Present Nebula, not Gamora, killed past Nebula.
@darkness21princess
@darkness21princess 5 жыл бұрын
wal81270 yeah! Nebula kills herself.
@mollycaz1
@mollycaz1 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like any charter that had been killed could brought back through this time line
@vegan-vrking9565
@vegan-vrking9565 5 жыл бұрын
Hence why this dude is talking out his ass and reading a script...marvel just showed us time travel as we know it is a joke and lie
@flecs
@flecs 5 жыл бұрын
came here to say this
@bobbvomm9437
@bobbvomm9437 5 жыл бұрын
but why not Gamora?
@Evol1HipHop
@Evol1HipHop 5 жыл бұрын
Red Skull: Finally I’m fr.... *Cap arrives to return the stone* Red Skull: Fffffffffuuuuuuuuuu
@manojmundyat3035
@manojmundyat3035 5 жыл бұрын
Language
@Evol1HipHop
@Evol1HipHop 5 жыл бұрын
Manoj Mundyat lolZ Cap would say that...
@sigmanu435
@sigmanu435 4 жыл бұрын
Red Skull wouldn’t be there. He’s only there if the stone is there, which it’s not anymore.
@Evol1HipHop
@Evol1HipHop 4 жыл бұрын
Hugo Barraza Uhhh, it was a joke, but ok. 👍🏽
@abrahamdelrio6532
@abrahamdelrio6532 5 жыл бұрын
What if cap just jumped back to original timeline once Peggy died.
@doctor9633
@doctor9633 5 жыл бұрын
He should've appear on the time machine platform
@nanaholic01
@nanaholic01 5 жыл бұрын
@@doctor9633 when Prof Hulk flip the switch and Cap didn't appear on the platform Hulk said Cap flew past his landing point, thus explaining how he ended up several metres away.
@premuel2
@premuel2 5 жыл бұрын
@@doctor9633 No not necessarily. Because Cap still got the time travel suit he could have gone anywhere he wanted. Otherwise Tony Cap and the hulk should have landed at the exact place as the evengers tony cap and hulk but they 'landed' a few meters away.
@BurtonPupkin
@BurtonPupkin 5 жыл бұрын
@@premuel2 It seems like the key here is that Cap grabbed more vials of the Pym particle than he needed when he and Tony went back to the 70s. Whatever happened to allow Cap to have his cake and eat it too pivoted on him grabbing more of the Pym particle than was necessary for the plan to defeat Thanos.
@premuel2
@premuel2 5 жыл бұрын
@@BurtonPupkin jup, exactly
@alx42013
@alx42013 5 жыл бұрын
We need A Steve Rogers... Cap movie... Of him returning the stones to their timelines. Nooooooooow!!!!!
@falconpun9585
@falconpun9585 5 жыл бұрын
Their
@barrychapstick5431
@barrychapstick5431 5 жыл бұрын
Kind of hard to make a movie about it if he never returned them.
@barrychapstick5431
@barrychapstick5431 5 жыл бұрын
Unless all they do now is time travel you would have to keep the Soul Stone Adam Warlock has to end up with it eventually
@kpat1567
@kpat1567 5 жыл бұрын
I know this is sad, but still... We love you 3000 Tony
@jesussanchez8967
@jesussanchez8967 5 жыл бұрын
This is so sad Can we hit 3000 kids?
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
They will probably pick up a Tony Stark from an alternate past reality - like 2014 Gamora getting into present day.
@hypernovic5301
@hypernovic5301 5 жыл бұрын
Bro u should have told Alexa to play daspacito....
@youcanrestnow5066
@youcanrestnow5066 5 жыл бұрын
The Stark Knight Returns nah why would the writers do that u serious
@Nugcon
@Nugcon 5 жыл бұрын
@2k fortnite dead shot no u
@MrBergste
@MrBergste 5 жыл бұрын
I personally really liked how they did time travel in this movie. Not only did it get the job done in an adequate, interesting, and unique way, it also left the door open for some pretty cool alternate realities. For instance, the one with Loki getting away in 2012 and the one with Thanos from 2014 (who is now missing, along with Nebula, from that timeline). My question is what happens if these timelines don't get realigned or resolved somehow? Do they simply remain as alternate realities with no harm no foul or will they eventually disrupt all realities? Is there even a way to realign these realities and, if so, how and what are the consequences of merging said timelines? So many questions and I cannot wait to see what Marvel has in store for us.
@consumedbytimee
@consumedbytimee 5 жыл бұрын
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that X-men also took place in 2023...
@ViggieSmallss
@ViggieSmallss 5 жыл бұрын
Which one?
@likkleman4047
@likkleman4047 5 жыл бұрын
Tabitha The Goat days of future past
@jeddicus3021
@jeddicus3021 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that intersection can't be canon, given that DOFP changed time in exactly the way the MCU said was impossible.
@robertbeste
@robertbeste 5 жыл бұрын
@@jeddicus3021 This. DOFP makes the X-Men universe and the MCU universe completely incompatible. There is no reality bending way to fuse these two franchises now. Time to re-cast and move forward like they did with Spiderman the way it should be. :)
@Sorry_ImTruthful
@Sorry_ImTruthful 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t know about all that? But what i do know is that “Shingen” is in the movie and gets killed by Hawkeye, which means there is a “Wolverine” in this MCU too?
@razbuten
@razbuten 5 жыл бұрын
As far as movies go, Primer (while not my favorite in terms of entertainment) is probably the version of time travel that makes the most sense to me.
@indiebutterknife952
@indiebutterknife952 5 жыл бұрын
Raz! Good to see you here!
@razbuten
@razbuten 5 жыл бұрын
I am binging too much Endgame content right now...I think I just need to watch the film again.
@indiebutterknife952
@indiebutterknife952 5 жыл бұрын
@@razbuten I agree mam. Well i hope you enjoy your day
@gourgeistz
@gourgeistz 3 жыл бұрын
@@razbuten I love your channel
@davidspierenburg195
@davidspierenburg195 5 жыл бұрын
In the end of the movie you see peter parker with his friend still in school but it has been 5 years so i dont know how that works
@mikopunsalan6271
@mikopunsalan6271 5 жыл бұрын
They were both dusted by the snap, so they both should not have aged.
@dre4533
@dre4533 5 жыл бұрын
Miko Punsalan I was thinking the same thing but you mean to tell me the whole school got dusted?
@mikopunsalan6271
@mikopunsalan6271 5 жыл бұрын
@@dre4533 Probably not the whole school, but maybe most of them. Only way to find out is when Far From Home comes out.
@davidspierenburg195
@davidspierenburg195 5 жыл бұрын
@@mikopunsalan6271 ohh that makes sense
@jamesbizs
@jamesbizs 5 жыл бұрын
Andre Goodridge why would it be the whole school? It was only him and his friend that we know for a fact was from that timeline. For all we know, every single one of his friends didn’t get dusted and are all in college or out of college.
@ariqfauzan4982
@ariqfauzan4982 5 жыл бұрын
"hey, wassup red skull. listen, imma return this stone here so could you hook a brotha up and return one natasha romanoff? thank youu"
@16shogunelitegreen
@16shogunelitegreen 5 жыл бұрын
Red Skull: No can do she's dead end of
@ComicGladiator
@ComicGladiator 5 жыл бұрын
"Vat do I look like, der happy veesh fairy? I only take zee zoles, I give nothink!"
@potatotomato1891
@potatotomato1891 5 жыл бұрын
No homes I can't do that she dead ese
@JavierGarconOriginal
@JavierGarconOriginal 5 жыл бұрын
cant return the soul stone it is a one time deal. they fucked up in the movie.
@JavierGarconOriginal
@JavierGarconOriginal 5 жыл бұрын
unless Captain America is some kind of God that created the sanctuary and put red skull in charge of protecting it in every event that is idiotic
@thedarkemissary
@thedarkemissary 5 жыл бұрын
You think it was awkward Cap meeting Red Skull again? What about when he has to go to Asgard and explain to Jane, he needs to reinfect her with magic space goo?
@elitaylor2934
@elitaylor2934 5 жыл бұрын
Nah that’s not where the aethere or how ever you spell it was started. He needed to return it to around the same time which would just affect the chances of Jane actually getting infected or making a new branch and not
@EverettBurger
@EverettBurger 5 жыл бұрын
I assumed there are now two Steves within the same timeline. One is the Captain America we have seen in all of the movies. The other lives a quiet life with Peggy.
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, two Steves but only in the alternate timeline, as the directors have stated.
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
Butterfly Effect is my favorite time travel movie.
@EggShen905
@EggShen905 5 жыл бұрын
There's still an inescapable paradox though: 1) The Avengers fight Thanos in "Infinity War". Thanos wins. 2) The Avengers invent time travel to fix their loss. 3) The invention of time travel allows younger Thanos to come forward in time *before* he gathers the stones, therefore in his timeline "Infinity War" didn't happen, but to the Avengers, it did. 4a) The Avengers may not have changed their past, but they *did* change Younger Thanos' future. Problem is, his future is their present. You can't change the past, but changing Younger Thanos' future shouldn't have been possible because, while the Avengers went backward and then forward within their own timeline, Thanos only went forward, *past* the events that made the timeline exist as it is. 4b) Imagine this with the "tube and string" method, but Thanos has his own string. That string, going forward through the tube as normal, includes "Infinity War". But he skips over that and ends up in a future that isn't part of his native, "first" timeline. Now, there's no reason why Pym particles can't take you to the future FIRST, but the current explanation of not changing your own past isn't enough to deal with being yanked into an alternate future. The timelines *must* interact somehow, if Younger Thanos ends up in a future that isn't his. That is, unless "a wizard did it" and you can just blame it on the vagaries of magic...except Pym particles aren't, as far as we know, magical. This is explainable with "intelligent time", or "protected time", or whatever, where the Time Stone or God or what have you can keep all this straight and make it so paradoxes don't end the multiverse. But It's also possible that paradoxes create multiverse instability, which is probably what Mordu was so pissed off about in "Doctor Strange". Whatever solution they go with, they've made a mess and have a lot of splainin' to do.
@dtawesomeable
@dtawesomeable 5 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why Im confused, if young Thanos has moved forward then in his timeline everything that happened after 2012 never happened cuz he is doesn't exist anymore. He would have attacked New York with Loki and then just disappeared. You have explained it the best way so far that I have seen My brain still hurts but
@21stCenturyCat
@21stCenturyCat 5 жыл бұрын
@@dtawesomeable - except they explained the past cannot be changed, only the present. So when 2014 Thanos jumped forward in time (pre snap in his own reality) he was killed by Stark, meaning that in the reality he came from a new non snap timeline was created, I guess the history books in that timeline will write that Thanos and his armies mysteriously disappeared (they will not know that in reality he jumped forward to a 2023 post snap reality and was then turned to dust)
@lifeofreilly
@lifeofreilly 5 жыл бұрын
@@dtawesomeable So when Thanos jumped forward in time, he left behind him a new timeline that didn't have Thanos in it. That timeline goes about it's happier, merrier way as Thanos never went BACK to that timeline. But it's not the timeline that we all experienced in the Movies. When Loki takes a stone and vanishes? That's ALSO a new branch of the timeline. One where he has his own TV series... ;)
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
@@21stCenturyCat That's exactly what happened. Well said.
@gilgamesh310
@gilgamesh310 5 жыл бұрын
The past can't be changed but when he hops into the future of different universe, this is just what always happened. So no actual change gets made to his timeline.
@trentstayshiny4921
@trentstayshiny4921 5 жыл бұрын
According to the rules of time travel that Marvel set up old man Steve Rogers should not be in the timeline we're watching
@strangeglass2512
@strangeglass2512 5 жыл бұрын
The rules are that if you go back in time and “change” that past that persons past isn’t changed. A new timeline is created, and that world lives on along side the original timeline where the events originally took place. Cap took the stones returned them back to their respective places then decided to go back to live with Peggy thus creating another timeline. It’s still the same Steve from the main mcu. He then uses the particles to go back and give Sam the shield.
@trentstayshiny4921
@trentstayshiny4921 5 жыл бұрын
@@strangeglass2512 okay Captain Obvious you literally just said what I said lol. He created a new timeline he shouldn't be in ours 🤦‍♂️
@gritgrinder6098
@gritgrinder6098 5 жыл бұрын
@@trentstayshiny4921 That last sentence of his implies he "time-traveled" back to the main MCU timeline after spending decades in the alternate timeline/reality. Also, if you look up the Entertainment Weekly article with the Russos, they confirm this (it was just posted today, so many people will probably have to do their "outstanding questions for endgame" videos hah)
@trentstayshiny4921
@trentstayshiny4921 5 жыл бұрын
@@strangeglass2512 Captain America goes back in the past and lives in a completely new timeline alongside with the Captain America that's frozen in the ice. So in this new timeline Marvel is trying to tell us that two Steve Rogers lived coincide. Then after some revelation Captain America says oh I'm going to go back to all those people that I left and give Sam who's Shield exactly? That's a bit of a stretch. Also fun fact how is Steve Rogers able to return the Soul Stone without a spaceship because I'm pretty sure Clint and Natasha needed the guardianship to get there LOL
@joemckim1183
@joemckim1183 5 жыл бұрын
It also would explain how he would have an undamaged Shield to give to Sam.
@barrychapstick5431
@barrychapstick5431 5 жыл бұрын
Um how exactly would you put the Soul Stone back? Would he have to give birth to a child? All I know is that must have been one awkward conversation with Red Skull
@lopsangdlama
@lopsangdlama 5 жыл бұрын
LOL.....
@ericc2178
@ericc2178 5 жыл бұрын
To get the Soul Stone, you pay a price( the sacrifice of a loved one). To return the Soul Stone, there are no refunds or exchange. Maybe a 10% restocking fee but since Cap and Red Skull have a history, it probably got waived.
@lopsangdlama
@lopsangdlama 5 жыл бұрын
@@ericc2178 lol
@lkchandnani
@lkchandnani 5 жыл бұрын
I guess after some harsh greetings, Red Skull would have asked Cap to throw the stone down the 'Mountain of Sacrifice'. And that's it.
@barrychapstick5431
@barrychapstick5431 5 жыл бұрын
@@ericc2178 im going with he never returned it. Just left in on the ground there. Maybe that's how Adam Warlock gets it?
@pratikraut6354
@pratikraut6354 5 жыл бұрын
Ok, just one question, how do cap return the soul stone to its position..?
@lukeabraham903
@lukeabraham903 5 жыл бұрын
Pratik Raut space stone
@elitaylor2934
@elitaylor2934 5 жыл бұрын
We don’t know enough about the soul stone to answer. What we do know is there is something that would affect time in ways we wouldn’t think by returning a soul for a soul gift that has happened twice which means he “maybe” could get back Natasha for a trade back or gamora for a trade back or have to keep it and start a whole knee branch just because of that
@bismarsyauqie7885
@bismarsyauqie7885 4 жыл бұрын
@@elitaylor2934 well probably gamora will not coming back, but natasha does, because the soul stone that steve give to red skull is 2014es soul stone, while gamora died at 2018, and the 2018es soul stone that got destroyed by thanos, so yeah good luck finding gamora star lord
@luvzy_4175
@luvzy_4175 5 жыл бұрын
Yo but just imagine Caps reaction when he saw the red skull on vormir while trying to return the soul stone. Would have been priceless.
@TheAbsoluteCool
@TheAbsoluteCool 5 жыл бұрын
did your timeline branched out a new one when your video volume changed at 5:27?
@danaeclean1328
@danaeclean1328 5 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo
@toto_ro_s
@toto_ro_s 5 жыл бұрын
Captain returns the soul stone Red skull :😦
@Mdess
@Mdess 5 жыл бұрын
if anyone is saying “past thanos died while in the future so none of the events should have happened”, Every time they went to the quantum realm, it brought them to timeline B timeline B is one of the 14 million timelines strange was referring too so, every time they went to the past to find stones, they went to timeline B and they brought the stones back to timeline A. thanos from timeline B found out and went to the future of timeline A and got killed so timeline B didn’t have issues anymore and timeline A had everyone brought back. that’s why vision is still dead (because timeline A is where infinity war happened) and why black widow is dead too, and then cap took the stones to timeline B to put them back and then spent his life with peggy while his timeline B version was still frozen and then he went back to timeline A. that’s also why the gamora that knew peter and the gang is still dead but her timeline B version is MIA and also why nebula didn’t die when she shot/killed her past self
@tint7460
@tint7460 5 жыл бұрын
yessssss!!!! i've been saying that to my friends and in the comments for days finally someone with same explanation..well done
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
They didn't get into "timeline B" every time. They CREATED an alternate timeline EACH time they got back into an earlier date. 2012 new york. 2014 Morag. 1970 camp lehigh base. Each one represented a different timeline altered by THEM. Each one is reality b, c, d, etc...
@Mdess
@Mdess 5 жыл бұрын
The Stark Knight Returns yes new timelines were created. but hulk explained when talking to the ancient one that once the stones were placed back in the timeline, all would be fixed and corrected. so if your theory was correct, the events of infinity war would have never of happened because thanos would have died before even getting to that point. vision would still be alive because thanos would have never of come, and in reality, iron man would still be alive. i already thought about everything you said, but it doesn’t work. it would cause a giant plot hole in the movie. where the movie shouldn’t even exist. the reasonable explanation would be that there was a corresponding timeline that was current with the one we saw through the years of thr MCU. where that timeline became affected with the changes to stones being taken. so timeline A : all 22 movies occur here timeline B : where they travel to take the stones, and form it it causes branches off there. to where B turned into B1-B2-B3 and so on. (the numbers representing the new branches off that timeline). and then once the stones get returned, the branches no longer exist. in which case that timeline has no thanos from 2014 and on. which means no guardians meeting and no infinity war. which doesn’t make sense.
@tint7460
@tint7460 5 жыл бұрын
@@thestarkknightreturns yes, but its basically the same principle like @xmadness11 explained. only problematic thing that happened is loki stealing space stone again but its done on purpose for sure. and i still cant figure out what they did with antmans truck in last fight and what happened with gamora.. im watching it again on saturday im gonna pay more attention to that
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mdess I wouldn't put them like b1 b2 b3 because each of them had messed up moments. In 2012 NY, there is now a space stone missing because loki ran away with it. That is enough for unbalancing the space-time continuum
@jackthomas6974
@jackthomas6974 5 жыл бұрын
In Winter Soldier, Peggy tells Steve “Steve you came back” but he dismisses it as part of here dementia and says he couldn’t leave his best girl behind.
@woahitsesco
@woahitsesco 5 жыл бұрын
Oh shit you might be onto something. She could've been actually trying to tell Steve that he came back after putting back the stones
@jackthomas6974
@jackthomas6974 5 жыл бұрын
SinCityAngel - I watched the scene again last night she talks about how none of us can go back and sometimes we need to start over. But..... she also says he’s been away for “so long” (not sure about that part)
@ComicGladiator
@ComicGladiator 5 жыл бұрын
He came back...from "dying" in the first Cap movie. You're seeing meaning that isn't there.
@jackthomas6974
@jackthomas6974 5 жыл бұрын
Comic Gladiator maybe I don’t have an inside line just fun to speculate :-)
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
You do realize that The Winter Soldier happened in their past, so it can't be changed? Any changes spawn an alternate timeline, thus having no effect on the future.
@kierg9236
@kierg9236 5 жыл бұрын
Yep time-line in the mcu is different if you go back to the past you just make a new time line and your future doesn't change
@SteveyP223
@SteveyP223 5 жыл бұрын
So like dragon ball z?
@sneakybadgerjd1583
@sneakybadgerjd1583 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, just can't figure out how captain America returned on the bench, old if changing the past doesn't alter the current timeline, shouldn't he be in another?
@kamronspencer4910
@kamronspencer4910 5 жыл бұрын
SneakyBadger JD apparently it was said that after growing old (and presumed lay his wife dying) he purposely did something to send himself back to the main timeline so he could pass on his shield. So most likely in the new timeline he lived in he used a similar time device to cross himself back over
@iazy47
@iazy47 5 жыл бұрын
My theory is the main MCU Time line it's another pararell have been changed by old Steve,why? Because if he back to present he must be in time machine portal not in different place
@kamronspencer4910
@kamronspencer4910 5 жыл бұрын
Irrs 47 that’s not really required. The timeline we’ve been following could just as easily be the main one and after living to old age in a new one he created he used a time machine he got someone to make him in that new timeline to come back
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
This is so simple, that I cannot understand how so many people didn't like the movie because they thought this logic was wrong... Lol This time travel mechanic from Endgame is perfectly logical, perfectly supported by theoretical science and perfectly explained in this video.
@Paid2Kill73
@Paid2Kill73 5 жыл бұрын
I just don't get how cap ended up on the bench and not the platform used to send him through time.
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
@@Paid2Kill73 I would say that he arrived there before cap entered it the first time, when it was already built but prior to cap going in. He already knew he would enter it, but his "past" self (the one we are watching entering it the first time) has already entered it and knew he needed to get around. He is just sitting there, waiting for cap to enter first. Remember, time travel is non linear.
@gregorydixon569
@gregorydixon569 5 жыл бұрын
The Stark Knight Returns but the movie suggests that every time you go to the past you diverge into an alternate reality. If that’s the case once cap went back to be with Peggy he should not have Been in the same universe as endgame, so there is no reason as to how he was sitting on that bench
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
@@gregorydixon569 him being able to go to the past doesn't stop him from being able to get back into his "present". The Quantum machine acts as a "beacon" of sorts for him to be able to find his own reality. What he did was getting to live with Peggy, then getting back to the Endgame timeline.
@dimitreze
@dimitreze 5 жыл бұрын
if a lot a poeple are confused then it wasn't well done
@ChrisDodges123
@ChrisDodges123 5 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I got tired of telling people this! Now I can just link your video to them!
@chiku40
@chiku40 5 жыл бұрын
Man you have had the very BEST videos in the timelines by far. Amazing work! The whatculture boys were pointing out the issues of putting the stones back. Like the space stone not being in a tesseract cube anymore and the mid stone not being inside the scepter. But I figure that all those points in time are all branches of reality now that have been changed because they changed those events anyway. And cap merely returns the stones so those realities have their stones still but the events that will unfold in each of those realities will be different going forward based on all the small (some large) changes they caused by going there.
@D.M_35.
@D.M_35. 5 жыл бұрын
So if he saved the winter solider that means that tony stark's dad and mom lives on on another timeline?
@jameshowlett1546
@jameshowlett1546 5 жыл бұрын
And if Tony's parents are alive, then Zemo doesn't cause the Avengers never break. That IS a much happier timeline!
@williambuttlicker5654
@williambuttlicker5654 3 жыл бұрын
@@jameshowlett1546 no i think that meant the Avengers never even happened, Tony would not have become Iron man, possibly Loki then would take over the world by 2012, wait..
@VincentStevenStudio
@VincentStevenStudio 5 жыл бұрын
Hmm idk its still confusing. I think once Cap returned all the stones everything just returned back to normal. If he returned the stones back where they got it from, like seconds after they got them then that would just reset the time and the battle of new york would turn out the same, star lord will still get the power stone, doctor strange still happens, red skull will still wait for thanos, Ultron still creates vision etc. because by returning them there wont be anymore interference from the Avengers as if they never traveled at all. Which means things will just continue how they were and Infinity War still happens but its okay cuz they still win later and get everyone back and that was the point. So maybe it is a circle. Their future just didnt change because Cap would always return the stones. The only thing that messes it up is Old Cap.
@_rvmphoto
@_rvmphoto 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Finally someone gets it! Even though the Russos say Old Cap was in a different timeline, I'm convinced that Cap was there the entire time. After returning all the stones he goes back to 1945 and lives out the rest of his life with Peggy, she is the Head of SHIELD for many years, it would be easy for her to keep her husband a secret through the years. Need Proof? 1. We never see Peggy's husband. 2. She did an interview in 1953 that says she married a man that Cap saved but never names him. 3. Cap returned in the current timeline you describe above after his other self goes in the ice making 2 Caps. 4. Why is there a picture of Steve on her 1970's desk if she was already married in her interview in 1953? 5. Peggy also suffered from Dementia/Alzheimer's on her death bed so recollections and seeing new cap would not phase her as much, also she was probably told by Cap about what was going to happen. Some will point out that she was a widow when she died and if she was married, why would the husband not show up to the funeral? Because Cap had already told her that he was going to be there.(Civil War) Also, it was never mentioned that she was widow at any point in the timeline. Also others may point out that he he'd have to be from a different timeline because he gives Falcon the shield. But it's not the same one that Tony gives him for the Thanos battle, it is an older version of it. Also in Spiderman Homecoming Happy states that hes loading the last of things on the plane from Avengers Tower including a prototype for Cap's new shield.
@AbsurdistJiffu
@AbsurdistJiffu 3 жыл бұрын
Bringing back the stones won't reset anything. The stones just need to get back to their initial places because they are essential there, regardless of the stone's condition or where it was placed.
@LeftHandedRightHanded
@LeftHandedRightHanded 3 жыл бұрын
Remember, The past Younger Thanos is killed so he never gathered the stones he did
@AbsurdistJiffu
@AbsurdistJiffu 3 жыл бұрын
@@LeftHandedRightHanded That's not how time travel works in Endgame. In fact, that common time travel concept you implied is illogical.
@aliyam4420
@aliyam4420 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining that whole nebula thing, I was so confused as to how she wasn’t affected when her present self shot her past self
@ChugadaCheeseGaming
@ChugadaCheeseGaming 5 жыл бұрын
So now that the stones are destroyed in our 616 universe...does that open our reality to more threats like what the ancient one was alluding to?
@upandcoming3235
@upandcoming3235 5 жыл бұрын
Possibly...In guardian of galaxy vol 2 post credits it showed Adam Warlock. Adam Warlock also acquired the Infinity Gauntlet.
@brianmchaney7473
@brianmchaney7473 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, uh.... quick question: if the stones are so important to continue the flow of time in alternate realities.... what's gonna happen to the MCU now that Thanos destroyed *ALL* the stones in this reality?
@malacyszn4392
@malacyszn4392 5 жыл бұрын
Brian McHaney exactly, this is literally the HUGEST plot hole, also remember what thanos said at the end:" im going to reduce all life to the last atom, if the infinity stones are able to thise in THE ENTIRE universe, then surely tony should have been able to rewrite reality itself with the infinity gauntlet(make it so that events that took place in the original timeline happened differently)
@Protocol36
@Protocol36 5 жыл бұрын
It just means that the current MCU without the stones are now vulnerable, basically if Dormammu ever decided to return they would be fucked.
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
@@malacyszn4392 The Stones still exist as atoms. They are elemental forces, you can't destroy them, but you can steal them into a different reality using the Quantum Realm.
@LionKing-ui9po
@LionKing-ui9po 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pwnstared Idk if youve seen Loki yet, but since the stones are “kinda” gone, it could lead to a multiversal war
@sheldruck
@sheldruck 2 жыл бұрын
The stones are CONCENTRATED stones. They are like tiny ways to control the universe. The universe is in its own control until someone does it manually using the stones. Like the ocean, it’s made of water, salt and oxygen. But many times you can find huge oxygen bubbles being made, salt blocks and water without salt or oxygen.
@Aazib05
@Aazib05 5 жыл бұрын
I really like your explanations and the work you put into them. Kudos for that!! Also I have a question regarding the infinity stones that have been destroyed in our main MCU timeline and since the past stones have been returned in their respective timelines/realities for the very reason of not subjecting those timelines open to dark forces and making them vulnerable towards other attacks from other realities as you have mentioned in your video. Now that there are no stones in this our main MCU timeline/reality as they have been destroyed by Thanos at the start of the movie, so is our reality now not stabilized by infinity stones and open to attacks or what? Please shine some light into it as well.
@geoffreyvanrijn4867
@geoffreyvanrijn4867 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is really late and i dont know if it even makes sense but this is how i think it happened. In Avengers Endgame Thanos destroys the stones themselves but not their presence in their universe so that they cant be used again but still act as a shield of sorts. But when they timetravel they take the stones and their presence leaving that universe "unguarded"
@peppercat007
@peppercat007 Жыл бұрын
the best explanation iv ever heard of this thanks n well done bruv
@nikhildalmia9112
@nikhildalmia9112 5 жыл бұрын
Good shit bro. Clear conceptual video
@LunkyMonkey11
@LunkyMonkey11 5 жыл бұрын
I genuinely appreciate the visual representations here with the rope and tubes
@leioh816
@leioh816 5 жыл бұрын
Not a movie, but time travel on The Flash TV series is explained in a way that makes sense.
@JavierGarconOriginal
@JavierGarconOriginal 5 жыл бұрын
yep they do! and the comic books do the same as well. imagine all the Smoking weed sesions the auther of Flash comic books had to have to connect all the dots to finally make sense of it all?
@erickwaitforit
@erickwaitforit 5 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! FINALLY, SOMEONE EXPLAINED THIS PROPERLY
@hawkwing9132
@hawkwing9132 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing this up.
@azhn6170
@azhn6170 5 жыл бұрын
I think this is the clearest explanation of how time works in the MCU lol thanks ScreenCrush
@rpsnkhdk
@rpsnkhdk 5 жыл бұрын
So, this means that... Endgame Steve travelled back to Peggy via quantum realm, lived with her along with frozen Steve in his newly created timeline. Then, after living until he got old, the same (Endgame Steve) travelled back to Endgame timeline ( the one which we saw) just to hand Falcon his shield ... Afterwards he might go back to "that" Peggy timeline or maybe stayed in this same timeline if Peggy was dead due to natural causes ... Would be more interesting if coming MCU movies show us this old Steve mentoring new avengeres ( or may be using serum, he gets revived to younger one and fight new villains of Earth). :)
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
Peggy dies in The Winter Soldier. From old age. There's no way she's living past that in the alternate timeline unless they somehow cure aging.
@zingzaber6989
@zingzaber6989 5 жыл бұрын
Perfectly explained! Great job.
@nuhashtarafdar1592
@nuhashtarafdar1592 5 жыл бұрын
The Video i've been waiting for!!!
@NicFromPaloAlto
@NicFromPaloAlto 5 жыл бұрын
The way Young/Old Steve could be explained is that old man Steve completed the mission, lived his life and instead of coming back 5 seconds later in front of Hulk, Old Steve came back before Hulk sent Young Steve and just chilled at the bench I for a few minutes until Sam and Bucky noticed him.
@joemckim1183
@joemckim1183 5 жыл бұрын
He most likely came back to the prime timeline after Peggy died and if she dies in 2017 in both time lines he was only living in this timeline for a few years before he wanders over to the bench in the woods.
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, that is my theory. Him getting into the machine had a lore happened in his past, even though we are only noticing it now.
@smaddypat6085
@smaddypat6085 2 жыл бұрын
Steve goes back to the past...where is the Steve who is already in the past?
@2lozano
@2lozano 5 жыл бұрын
What do you think will happen now since all 6 stones have been destroyed in the main marvel cinematic universe. Isn’t that time line unstable
@notanonymous3976
@notanonymous3976 5 жыл бұрын
Daniel Lozano huh, my mind is fucked right now
@deanospimoniful
@deanospimoniful 5 жыл бұрын
Your explanation was quite helpful.
@jackskirata4819
@jackskirata4819 5 жыл бұрын
I needed this video. Thanks.
@TaeSunWoo
@TaeSunWoo 5 жыл бұрын
Think of it like Dragon Ball’ Future Trunks time travel mechanics
@coolkidd4754
@coolkidd4754 5 жыл бұрын
Steve: " Here's the Soul stone , I'm returning it back " Red Skull: " You cant just return it , you need a sacrifice " Steve: " Shows the Mjolnir " Red Skull: " Okay just leave it there "
@abram263
@abram263 5 жыл бұрын
All time favorite time travel movie??? Endgame is my all-time favorite movie movie!!
@drmariopepper4354
@drmariopepper4354 5 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and video🙏
@Ankaration
@Ankaration 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for laying out out! Now I get it!
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
Guys, remember that the reality from 2014's Morag time jump now has no Thanos at all, because he came into Endgame's timeline. As such, in that timeline, Iron Man, Vision and Black Widow never died!!!! And Cap is still young and in fighting shape because he never learned about Pym Particles in the same way as he did in Endgame! That timeline was irreversibly changed, and it may be our only hope to get a Tony Stark, Cap, Vision and Natasha back into Endgame timeline!
@user-mc4my8jf1q
@user-mc4my8jf1q 5 жыл бұрын
thats true 2014 thanos alongside gamora nebula disappear from the reality of guardian of the galaxy, so guardians would not be formed, korath could have gotten the power stone after Steve returns it while starlord would not have come to xandar and meet-up with rocket and groot
@user-mc4my8jf1q
@user-mc4my8jf1q 5 жыл бұрын
and infinity war from that reality would not happen caused thanos got the dusted off in endgame reality but the thing is not only thanos is after the Stones, other beings like Ronan, the collector have similar goals but different intention of the stones while that reality the avengers is saved from thr events of infinity war, it may exposed itself from other threats
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
@@user-mc4my8jf1q that is very true. However, not only is it uncertain that those events could happen! Remember the butterfly effect: Ronan was working with Thanos. No Thanos to support Ronan could lead to him becoming more vulnerable to preemptive attacks from his fellow Kree and from Xandar).
@EverydayJohn931
@EverydayJohn931 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't think about it but at the end of the day they just saved two timelines at once. Stopping Thanos in theirs but also removing one from another time stream.
@artifice22
@artifice22 5 жыл бұрын
FINALLY! Someone who understands this. I thought it was perfectly clear in the movie, and then all these questions started popping up like, "Why didn't Nebula fade after killing herself?" and "Where did Old Cap come from?" At first I thought I had misunderstood something, then I realized that, no, I got it, it seems to be everyone else who can't wrap their minds around this linear explanation of time travel. *shrugs*
@katielee7364
@katielee7364 5 жыл бұрын
thank you, I think i'm pretty dumb and I got it just fine
@bigtizzo
@bigtizzo 5 жыл бұрын
Great job. I'm subscribing.
@nobdispecial
@nobdispecial 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I think you explained it in a way that was easier to understand...your paper towel telescope helped! I kept tellin everyone that Loki definitely created an alternate reality. It's like no one understood what Banner said
@roopr1991
@roopr1991 5 жыл бұрын
Best Time Travel Movie - Primer Can somebody answer this question plsss: are there any infinity stones in the current MCU timeline, cos remember Thanos destroyed all the stones. Ancient one: The infinity stones create what you experience as a flow of time remove one stone and that flow splits, She goes on and says that the stones are weapons against forces of darkness and without them, the current world will be overrun. So after the snap for 5 years there were no infinity stones in the current timeline and even after Hulk undid the snap only the Thanos snap was reversed and Cap returned the stones to their respective timeline, why didn't the forces of darkness attack in this time?? did Thanos snap Dormammu aswell into dust ??
@lukefisher7600
@lukefisher7600 5 жыл бұрын
They no longer exist. But that doesn't mean they don't.....exist.....elsewhere. Wibbly wobbly. Basically, they exist in the multiverse, and that's good enough.
@aliamin219
@aliamin219 5 жыл бұрын
What if that is the next big villain in phase 4? Some dark force that attacks since there are no longer any infinity stones left in the current timeline 😲😲😲
@azhn6170
@azhn6170 5 жыл бұрын
She didn’t necessarily explain how soon the dark forces would overrun the Earth, so I’m guessing the writers left that ambiguous for future stories now that there are no infinity stones in the “main” timeline.
@upandcoming3235
@upandcoming3235 5 жыл бұрын
@@aliamin219 Galactus or Dr.Doom
@donaldball804
@donaldball804 5 жыл бұрын
@Snoi Med didnt he say he used the stones to destroy the stones? So how did destroy turn into shrink?
@UnaidedInk
@UnaidedInk 5 жыл бұрын
How did nebula and Thanos come back to the current time line? She only had particles to go and come back so if she came back, where did she get the particles to bring Thanos?
@smolminz9588
@smolminz9588 5 жыл бұрын
In the movie, the old nebula came back using the particles and hacked the time machine to get thanos, present nebula and his allies into the present.
@ComicGladiator
@ComicGladiator 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but his point was the machine worked to recall people using Pym particles to time travel, it wasn't itself a time machine. So she couldn't "hack" Thanos to the present.
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
@@ComicGladiator Thanos used Pym particles. Nebula had a full vial of the stuff.
@Idontknowjustcallmematt
@Idontknowjustcallmematt 2 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing!
@jmax0431
@jmax0431 5 жыл бұрын
This video is the perfect explanation of what time travel is like in the MCU. Best time travel explanation I have seen so far! This video also supports the theories I have in mind about that ending with Cap
@jmax0431
@jmax0431 5 жыл бұрын
Also, if it wasn't for this video, I wouldn't have known that the Russo brothers confirmed that Stee does indeed create a new timeline by staying in the past with Peggy. I wonder what happened in that timeline
@bfhorvath
@bfhorvath 5 жыл бұрын
According to MCU time travel, if two of the same person can coexist within the same timeline without affecting the future, then the end result could be infinite duplicates of said person. Example... If "Old Cap" went on the portal to go back to where he returned the Infinity Stones and stayed with Peggy. Three Cap's would be present in one timeline.
@AngelHdzMultimedia
@AngelHdzMultimedia 5 жыл бұрын
Then you are not really following MCU time travel rules. 1- Infinity stones are borrowed from different dates in the present timeline 2- New timelines or branches are created 3- Hulk makes the first snap and bring everyone back 4- Thanos travel to the future of the main timeline, creating a new branch where he is absent and infinity war didn't happen. 5- Tony does the 2nd snap and decimate Thanos and the army and the gamora from the past (and probably the Nebula from the past as well, even if she's now dead). 6- Steve travels back to the created timelines to return the stones (they don't need to be placed in the same places, just being in the exact timeline and exact dates and locations). 7- All the branches are deleted leaving only the main branch and the branch where Loki escaped with the teseract. The main branch never gets changed. 8- Steve, still with the time traveling equipment, travels to the main timeline, to a date after he crashed and got frozen, creating a last timeline/branch were he lived his life with Peggy and got old. In the maintimeline, peggy married someone else and had children. 9- After aging old and lived a great life with Peggy, then he travels one more time, to the future of the main timeline, and passes the shield to Falcon (Sam Wilson). Here is were people get confused. They assume that because when the others traveled, they were returned through the time machine, so should Steve, but they forget that the travelers can choose the time and the place to travel to. So he traveled to the place were Bucky, Hulk and Falcon were, but possibly earlier, and possible somewhere else and walked to the bench, or just traveled in front of the bench and just sit down. The open branch where Loki got away with the teresarct, let the door open to Kang The Conqueror, a time traveling villain to be the main cosmic threat of the Phase 4 of the MCU.
@blazn0
@blazn0 5 жыл бұрын
2:17 of all the colors ropes you had to pick a green one. Also can you explain why time travel is also location travel. If you travel through time how can you end up in a different city or planet?
@XmasTvElf
@XmasTvElf 5 жыл бұрын
I think Cap got back to the main timeline quite simply. In his conversation with the ancient one Bruce was told that removing a stone from a timeline creates another alternate one. But he suggested that if you return the stone to place and time it was taken the two timelines merge back into one. So Cap could go back and return all the stones except the Power stone (he has until 2014 to return that). He can live out his life with Peggy in this alternate timeline and then after she dies in 2014 he can return the Power stone and the two timelines merge back together. That allows him to be sitting lakeside at the end of the movie.
@anonymousv5250
@anonymousv5250 2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly not confusing !! Explanation
@maximumrisk2004
@maximumrisk2004 5 жыл бұрын
I think the Timetravel rules have been greatly misunderstood. It seems the Marvel Universe works on the principle that you can change stuff in the timeline, but most things are still going to happen unless you make an effort to make a critical change. So its reasonable that Captain America went back in time to restore the Timeline and simply lived through it normally without his interference. They did a shit ton of stuff back in the past, so returned infinity stones or not there would otherwise be a crapton of new Universes. At the end of Endgame though, the only alternate timeline is one without Thanos and his crew.
@alikaya9625
@alikaya9625 2 жыл бұрын
Marvel wanted to dribble out DC with their time travel film, and they forgot to thing about every possibility. Sloppy... And to see this video and to read the comments here is very sad 😬😬😬
@GranTyrant
@GranTyrant 5 жыл бұрын
How did Cap even put the soul gem back there without having to stop Black Widow from sacrificing herself?
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
Soul for a soul.
@thechimichanga6914
@thechimichanga6914 3 жыл бұрын
Quite ironic, considering that in the Marvel COMICS, time travel works exactly like Scott, Clint, and Rhodes explained it. Though there are also just simply multiple timelines and universes. Marvel Comics has a lot of things, actually.
@mahedehasan8458
@mahedehasan8458 4 жыл бұрын
I can explain what you are explaining But my question is how they made time travel possible???
@gonun13
@gonun13 5 жыл бұрын
Perfectly explained. This movie sets up the multiverse and countless stories and crossover possibilites.
@RusticTrophies
@RusticTrophies 5 жыл бұрын
Spoilers In the time travel scene with Tony and Steve they go back to the original shield base,;There steve grabs more of the pym-particle then needed.(This was becuase of his 4 canisters of the particles, The infinity stones where only 3 locations.) It's a very short scene but it shows that Steve had more chances of going through time then the others, Ant-Man wasted one early on as an example when he complained about the Hulk being heavy handed. Steve went back in time to live his life with his love during the time the original Captain America was in ice because it's hinted by her on her death bed in the original Captain America that she always loved him, it's very subtle but it was planned from the start script wise. So technically Steve's Endgame timeline is the same and it is the one we as viewers are following throughout the movies. I actually went back and watched Captain America again and the ending with her makes so much more sense now, it's like they are telling you the outcome of Endgame.
@brianmannion7097
@brianmannion7097 5 жыл бұрын
But how can that be true if Steve was first, frozen for decades? I mean doesn't there have to be a foundational timeline to create this perpetual time loop at first? I'm so confused at that part.
@breastmilkgaming
@breastmilkgaming 5 жыл бұрын
how did peggy didn't even Age a little bit between Captain America 1 in 1945 and 1970. She looks the same !
@Noobmaster-gj3rr
@Noobmaster-gj3rr 5 жыл бұрын
Makes no sense cap lived in a new timeline he jus returned to the one we know to return his shield to falcon.
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
@@brianmannion7097 It's true because all of that happens in an alternate timeline. That's how they can claim changing the past does not affect their future.
@brianmannion7097
@brianmannion7097 5 жыл бұрын
@@Pwnstared Yes but the Peggy that died on her death bed in Civil War can't be the Peggy that actually lived her life with the future Steve.
@eyelevel6442
@eyelevel6442 5 жыл бұрын
Most assume that Old Steve returned the stones first then lived happily ever after with Carter. Instead, I think Steve really took Tony's "get a life" advice as he alluded to at the end of Endgame with a vengeance. I can imagine a time travelling Capt America (Capt Infinity?) armed with his Infinity Suitcase "doing the the right thing" righting wrongs everywhen and then returning the stones and then meeting Carter for their dance. With the stones, Steve "got all day" to save everyone. I don't think it's a stretch for him to take this on himself. Proof? Steve wasn't shy about picking up a new shield for Falcon from some other timeline -- so what else did he do? Further proof? Steve's super soldier formula is supposed to drastically slow the ageing process. Steve showing visible signs of advanced ageing implies a really long time would have passed for him. Steve could very easily have spent multiple lifetimes with multiple Carters using the stones while being Captain Infinity and still have had more than enough juice to return the stones. Heck, Steve may have even fixed the timeline when Loki took the tesseract; Steve's 6 stones trumps Loki's 1. And at the end of his long but still finite life as Captain Infinity, returning the stones would count as Steve's ultimate act of heroism.
@rcu007
@rcu007 5 жыл бұрын
Cap was able to get back to the main timeline because he had the suit which was programed to go back there. It's like Hulk said: "for him is all the time he needs, for us is just five seconds" After all, when he pressed the button, he went back there!
@Brook11223
@Brook11223 5 жыл бұрын
The Avengers time travel was an inspiration, hence why Thanos came so prepared in the last movie, knew so much about everyone, and their weaknesses. Thanos learning of everything from the future was almost a prophecy, only this time the Avengers were even more prepared than he was.
@gritgrinder6098
@gritgrinder6098 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's how time travel works in MCU. For example, if the changes in this movie affected Infinity War, wouldn't Thanos be dead?
@JD43232
@JD43232 5 жыл бұрын
I hope you are talking about Endgame, Cause the Thanos in Infinity war didn't really knew the avengers (Just by name probably)
@frick5905
@frick5905 5 жыл бұрын
Can we get a F for Iron man and Black Widow
@D0rsey
@D0rsey 5 жыл бұрын
Pepperpighehe F
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
And Vision. Heimdall. Loki. RIP.
@and0sio
@and0sio 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. This is the most clear explanation I have seen so far. This would have all made perfect sense to me in the movie, if old man Cap simply appeared on the landing pad and not on the bench. This seemed like a huge plot hole just for the sake of a more emotional impact. If they wanted to keep the bench, Falcon should have just asked Cap how he got there and Cap could have avoided the answer just how he did about Peggy so he can lead us to believe there's a story we don't know here yet. But how it was presented in the movie seemed just plain contrived and detracted from an otherwise very satisfactory ending.
@MarkyMarc413
@MarkyMarc413 5 жыл бұрын
Steve could have been a closed-loop predestined paradox, as in, he was ALWAYS destined to finish Endgame by going back in time and marrying Peggy. We never see her husband, hear his name, or know what he was like, and Peggy was always keeping secrets from people, so marrying Captain America from the future would probably be her BIGGEST secret, which she would've kept til her grave. Her line to Steve in The Winter Soldier, "Sometimes it's best to start over" was such a subtle hint that Steve should go back and start his life over with her in the 40s/50s, and so, given the chance with time travel, after seeing his friend and fellow Avenger, Tony Stark, die in battle, he knew he needed the life that Tony always said he should get.
@ElevenEvilExes
@ElevenEvilExes 5 жыл бұрын
"why did Cap have to return the Infinity Stones to their original time?" i'll do you one better: HOW did Cap return the Infinity Stones to their original time? how did he re-create Tesseract around the Space Stone? how did he put the Mind Stone back into its "shell" and then back onto the Scepter? how did he get the Reality Stone back into Jane? :D
@EverydayJohn931
@EverydayJohn931 5 жыл бұрын
The last one gets a little graphic but......
@dominoeking
@dominoeking 5 жыл бұрын
Remember, the time stone can reverse time like the apple in Dr. Strange. It can revert the reality stone to the ether, the space stone to the tesseract, etc.
@ElevenEvilExes
@ElevenEvilExes 5 жыл бұрын
@@dominoeking that makes a lot of sense. except when Cap leaves, he has the Stones in a little case in their "stone" form. shouldn't Doctor Strange have time-reverted the Stones before Cap left? i don't think it makes sense to assume that Cap himself used the Time Stone to revert the Stones after he left. are we to assume that the Ancient One did it?
@lifeofreilly
@lifeofreilly 5 жыл бұрын
@@dominoeking Sure- but Cap, as heroic and super soldiery and worthy as he is, is still just human. "Just humans" can't wield an infinity stone. It kills them.
@dominoeking
@dominoeking 5 жыл бұрын
He could have tooken them all to the sorcerer supreme to revert them all
@snpagy
@snpagy 5 жыл бұрын
Old cap appearing at the end completely breaks their own time travel rules
@donaldball804
@donaldball804 5 жыл бұрын
Unless the rules of time travel they use are only based on the Quantum Realm. But when Steve went back in time maybe he told people about time travel and other dimensions and by the time he was old they had found a new way to do it that doesnt follow the same rules as the Quantum Realm time travel.
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 5 жыл бұрын
After living his life with Peggy, he got back into his original timeline to give Sam the shield.
@josethemacho
@josethemacho 5 жыл бұрын
Cap going back in time was always the original time, there were always 2 caps.
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
@@josethemacho Not true. The movie explains that stealing Infinity stones creates new alternate timelines that have no effect on the current one. You can, however, move objects and people between them.
@thetheorizermoore7476
@thetheorizermoore7476 2 жыл бұрын
It is what I believe changing the past doesn’t change our present it creates a alternative timeline that shows the difference in that changed events
@roxied784
@roxied784 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, now I understand how time travel works in MCU. Using tube and a rope make it easier for me understand. Awesome explanation! I hope they will create a movie about steve returning those stones... Maybe it could be a TV series because it will become a very long movie... One stone per season or one stone per episode, this will answer all questions we have and this will be really cool to watch.
@reikobrown5050
@reikobrown5050 5 жыл бұрын
How did Cap make Teserac with the space stone🧐 how did he put the reality stone back inside Jane?
@drummerpr25
@drummerpr25 5 жыл бұрын
reiko brown that honestly must’ve been an awkward day for Jane... first a Raccoon sucks a red energy out of you and then a random man with a shield injects it back in you. Definitely screwed up that timeline lmao
@JimanNajmi
@JimanNajmi 5 жыл бұрын
Natalie, open your Port, Man
@da1king0fwakanda56
@da1king0fwakanda56 5 жыл бұрын
He probably had Mila Kunis put it back inside of her...if you understand that reference good job
@47supersam
@47supersam 5 жыл бұрын
@@da1king0fwakanda56 that scene inspired the L in lgbt of our generation
@ComicGladiator
@ComicGladiator 5 жыл бұрын
OP:
@borisbadenov9863
@borisbadenov9863 5 жыл бұрын
Gamorra didn't kill 2014 Nebula. 2023 Nebula killed 2014 Nebula.
@ArthurhrpgamerBR
@ArthurhrpgamerBR 5 жыл бұрын
I was going to say this,thank you...
@Addydo
@Addydo 5 жыл бұрын
He never said Gamora killed past Nebula. He said Current Nebula killed past Nebula.
@raducpm6972
@raducpm6972 5 жыл бұрын
Explain yourself right now!
@hoodie7257
@hoodie7257 5 жыл бұрын
Addydo 0:38
@ScreenCrush
@ScreenCrush 5 жыл бұрын
Oops.
@JStrezz
@JStrezz 3 жыл бұрын
They said he used a suit and particle to get back where he was already, but I had a different theory. Cap traveled back and when he stayed he created an alternate timeline. Then he grew old and he waited. Once he reached the point where he left, that alternate timeline he created closed, because he returned to the time he left, only older. To everyone else, nothing happened, but to Cap, he lived an alternate life that no one knows about. That’s why Sam didn’t know who it was, because none of them knew what he did, except for Bucky. I think Cap told Bucky what was going to happen, which is why he wasn’t surprised.
@RonRontheLeprechaun
@RonRontheLeprechaun 5 жыл бұрын
Oh brutha, About Time is by far my favorite "time travel" movie.
@raducpm6972
@raducpm6972 5 жыл бұрын
I stil don't have a clue about what is going on
@strangeglass2512
@strangeglass2512 5 жыл бұрын
Think of it like this: All the events that have occurred in the 22 movies that released still took place. When the Avengers takes the Infinity Stones from those different points in time they created an alternate timeline but the original timeline still stands.
@airwolf276
@airwolf276 5 жыл бұрын
Radu CPM I think that when iron man snapped his fingers and dusted the villains, he returned them back to their present selves (alive and well) and have them vaguely remember that fight (explaining why Thanos knows Stark) and how the maw knows that no one until Thanos held multiple infinity stones (seeing that Thanos will succeed when examining Nebula). As for the Peggy Carter pot hole, Steve was the one that married her all along but kept him a secret to the public. Steve leaves her when she begins to get dementia, because he knows his younger self when be their to see her and it explains why she says "Steve, you came back". It's also why his older self is not at the funeral because his younger self is. When Loki teleported, my theory is that Hiemdal found him using the bi frost straight away which made Thor takes him back and then we see them both go back to Asgard as seen in the final seen of the avengers.
@brianmannion7097
@brianmannion7097 5 жыл бұрын
@@airwolf276 1. I don't get how Peggy would have been married to Steve 'all along' if Steve was frozen for almost 70 years in the main timeline. The main/mcu timeline would have to be a prerequisite to this perpetual time loop to happen? Also wouldn't the Loki escaping screw up actually create a new timeline without changing the main timeline's present/future?
@alexbarbu4789
@alexbarbu4789 5 жыл бұрын
@@airwolf276 man everything u said its wrong. Did u watch the movie? If they go back in time they create different timelines. In the main timeline, loki never escaped, and cap wasnt married to peggy at all
@artifice22
@artifice22 5 жыл бұрын
@@strangeglass2512 AND those alternate timelines were canceled out (presumably) when Steve returned the stones.
@tubeyouber97
@tubeyouber97 5 жыл бұрын
This explains how Spider-Mans classmates are all the same age after 5 years and in school 👍 thanks.
@ScreenCrush
@ScreenCrush 5 жыл бұрын
Because Ned would have also been dusted.
@PresidentLunt
@PresidentLunt 5 жыл бұрын
ScreenCrush they why did the hug? If he was dusted he wouldn’t have hugged Peter
@samwisefieri6696
@samwisefieri6696 5 жыл бұрын
@@PresidentLunt maybe because the last time he saw peter he left a bus to fight aliens then went missing alongside Tony stark and doctor strange. Hoping to see him again soon, before dusting. Then finds out after coming back he had lost 5 years of his life and THEN after just returning hears the news the avengers facility is under attack by a missile spewing spaceship knowing Parker is probably there and wondering if he was gonna make it. He is finally relieved after all that emotional stress to see his friend safe and sound. Also relieved he doesn't have to face a whole new class of students while all his friends are 5 years older than him.
@Big_Dai
@Big_Dai 5 жыл бұрын
@@PresidentLunt WHAT!? That's so dumb.. They both died and were reunited after the whole event. You would probably hug him too after surviving the mad Titan and being able to continue living together through school.
@tubeyouber97
@tubeyouber97 5 жыл бұрын
Did Flash get snapped? If not he should be 5 years older.
@TeddyBlues2000
@TeddyBlues2000 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is the first video I've seen which realizes Cap would have to return the soul stone to the Red Skull. And that's just one of several issues I have with how the Stones were returned
@kristingrm
@kristingrm 5 жыл бұрын
Love this video 3000
@JeebYeeb
@JeebYeeb 5 жыл бұрын
Endgame is my favorite marvel movie, but not my favorite time travel movie.... that still belongs to back to the future part 2
@dragonreborn2099
@dragonreborn2099 5 жыл бұрын
ScreenCrush the plothole that bothers me isnt the old steve. (separating in case of spoilers). What you said is what I thought as well. In fact, I am taking as granted that Cap failed in his mission to restore everything as is (he cant). In 2014, he cant bring back thanos and his army, or put the power stone back in the orb. In 2013 he cant have stopped the immediate aftermath of a missing mjolnir, or explain how jane foster gets injected again. In 2012, he cant undo loki, or return the scepter. In 1970 he cant stop the Tony stark conversation or give the tesseract. In fact i think this is how Marvel introduces the multi-verse, to allow for future characters to meet each other. The plothole is, how does Steve go to the realities that have the missing stones? The device he has only allows you to go to an earlier time point in your timeline to cause a branch, it doesnt let you select a branch. How does Steve go to the specific reality with the relevant missing stone? I actually assume every time he went back, he probably just created new realities, with more than one stone (one inside the orb, one outside the orb, etc.) They never mention that.
@popurm
@popurm 5 жыл бұрын
y wouldn't he be able to select the same branch reality? they exist now
@ryandrums2112
@ryandrums2112 5 жыл бұрын
During Bruce and the ancient one's conversation Bruce says they'll return the stones at the point at which they were taken, so that no new branches are technically made from that
@dragonreborn2099
@dragonreborn2099 5 жыл бұрын
@@ryandrums2112 right. But i am saying cap cant do that, with their current tools. He can only go to a specific time and space. They didnt give him a tool to go to a specific reality. How does he pick i want to go to 2012 new york, where the scepter was taken. He will end up again in 2012 new york, with the scepter still there, because the reality in which it was taken would be a different one.
@ryandrums2112
@ryandrums2112 5 жыл бұрын
@@dragonreborn2099 Oh I see what you mean. Well remember that they always go to their own future. Recall that all the other characters go to the past and change events, meaning theyre creating (and following the first couple minutes of) a new branch. Well Cap did the same thing. His future is the mcu future we see, so when he travels back that's the proper branch so that's where he goes. The only difference being he stays in the created branch for much longer than the others did, though it's effectively the same thing
@ryandrums2112
@ryandrums2112 5 жыл бұрын
@@dragonreborn2099 and with the scepter one I assume he went before Loki got it, and made sure no new branch was created so it was technically both his past and the past of the originally created branch
@LuisPerez-ny5hf
@LuisPerez-ny5hf 5 жыл бұрын
I just want to say: THANK YOU!
@doug774
@doug774 5 жыл бұрын
great use of props
@cachetheline
@cachetheline 5 жыл бұрын
Technically, as soon as someone travels into the past, they've already created another timeline. If that character's flow leads them to interacting with the world in a way that didn't happen in their own past, then the start of that thread, as it were, was the moment they breathed air in the 'past'. I do like that they have the temporal connection to return to their present, not the future-present of the timeline splinter they just created. :)
@prasadpawar7027
@prasadpawar7027 5 жыл бұрын
So every time they go back in time they make new timeline. So 2012, 2013, 2014, 1970 make 4 timelines. Also when cap goes back to return the stones, he also makes 4 more timelines because he is going back in time. Now he goes to 1940 to peggy that makes 1 more timeline. So now there are 9 timelines and our mcu main timeline. Nice.
@cachetheline
@cachetheline 5 жыл бұрын
@@prasadpawar7027 Yeah I think they tend to 'shrug it off', like they did with Loki and the tesseract 'oh it's just another universe now'. With those splintered timelines, as long as 'our' heroes are tied back to their own future, they can return and continue on, as we see in Endgame. In other movies we see people travel back, change history, but they themselves remain the same, yet return to the splintered/altered timeline future (BTTF2). In Endgame they returned to the moment they left in their own unchanged universe. ...except you know at the end, with old Cap, as mentioned in this video :P But the one point that keeps getting me about the 'infinite possible universes' made because of differences in choice, why is there only ever one that does time travel or parallel universe hopping? Wouldn't there be millions (or, technically, infinite) nearly-identical people doing the nearly-identical traveling? Though I guess, theoretically, an infinite set of possibilities doesn't necessarily mean one possibility cannot exist ONLY once. ... maybe that's the point Strange was making. Of some many alternate possibilities, only 1 would work. hm. Yet... what if the rat had stepped 1mm to the left? Would that have changed the outcome? Or 1/2mm? Or 1/100mm? If that's the ONLY difference between one universe and another to that point, would it have changed the outcome? That's what bugs me about these story theories. They only tend to focus on major decision changes and assume infinite possibilities; but on what basis do they shrug off the microscopic differences? Ahh, love thinking like this! :)
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
@@cachetheline " Wouldn't there be millions (or, technically, infinite) nearly-identical people doing the nearly-identical traveling?" No, because our Tony is the one who invented it first, so we wouldn't see other Tonys until later when those realities learn how to do it.
@cachetheline
@cachetheline 5 жыл бұрын
Pwnstar You’re addressing a point that just came to mind after my 2nd viewing just now. It may not be based on an ‘infinite number of parallel universes’ theory, where every decision creates a new universe (infinite because for example a new universe is made if I choose to cross the road 5 seconds earlier; or later; or 3 seconds; or 30 seconds; or in front of a car, etc) But rather, a tree structure - as shown in the timeline visual in the film: one timeline, but if time travel occurs, then a new outcome is created- that’s now 2 alternate universes. It’s interaction with the threads and alteration that can create separate universes that don’t exist until then. That’s why Loki can run away with a tesseract and be forgotten. However going back to get the first tesseract also created a new parallel - a timeline that lost that tesseract. Steve has to return the stones to the moment after they were taken; but technically there were other interactions which kept that timeline parallel distinct. Unless Tony’s dad really did have that discussion with him before Tony was born.... However - Steve went back and returned the stones, but remained in 1970. Presumably that parallel had no epic battle for infinity stones, given Steve’s state - which begs the question: How did Steve end up on that bench if he belongs to a parallel universe where half of life wasn’t wiped clean? My head-canon is that somehow, while he didn’t return via the time machine, he found/discovered a new way to return to his prime timeline from the one where he married and lived out his life happily. That’s the only way I can see to rectify this parallel universe coexistence at the outro...
@Pwnstared
@Pwnstared 5 жыл бұрын
@@cachetheline Steve had the nano suit, access to Pym particles and Tony's time GPS thing.
@tommyher6694
@tommyher6694 5 жыл бұрын
I thought that maybe Cap went back and married Peggy as a second cap and lived out his life as a regular person while the other Cap was still frozen in Ice, then the events of Avengers transpired. Sort of like you traveling back in time to be your own grandfather
@Chris-bm1wf
@Chris-bm1wf 5 жыл бұрын
I thought the same, though how did old Cap find a new shield?
@clintmcbride7830
@clintmcbride7830 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad they went with the many world's interpretation of time travel. Not only because it is the most agreed upon theory of time travel, but because it let them have time travel without the usual cliches. They were able to use it more freely due to no "movie time travel rules" which only cause more problems than it does solutions
@cipher0334
@cipher0334 5 жыл бұрын
The distinction you made between XMen time travel and avengers time travel cleared it up. I didn’t consider that characters other than wolverine would have different pasts from the original remembered only by wolverine
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