Aviation - Planned BR Changes - February 2025 - War Thunder

[@dragodracoman6717]

welp, grab the pitchforks, time to burn down the steam page again

[@gunslinger6363]

Yep, seems to be the only thing that gets their attention .

[@dragodracoman6717]

Its so sad we have to resort to this, if they got their heads out of their wallets this wouldn't happen

[@qltcn]

What don't you like? I looked at air rb changes, and I'm happy with most of them. Didn't do 25 BM event? Well I did and I kept it and now i'm gonna enjoy it. Sue me.

[@dragodracoman6717]

@@qltcn the auction house

[@casperreininga3253]

@@qltcn It's not just this. It's all of it combined. The bonkers BR changes that are crippling GRB even further when it comes to CAS. The permanent removal of vehicles with no way of getting them later, which is unfair to newer players. The M-fcking introduction of an auction. The no longer doing the roadmaps we fought for two years ago. And that's not nearly all of it. The Snail is in dire need of a reminder that if they push is the wrong way, we can and will push back.

[@cofro3284]

The news keeps getting worse!

[@Mr.Maus.Thunder]

Absolutely it goes into the review bombing 2025 started horrible

[@Dredgno]

It's sad to see skill is being removed from Air battles. It used to mean something to out-skill your opponent in Air battles, now they it's just sad.

[@Pumba70]

They should've stopped with the Korean War F-86 and MiG-15 like it was in the past, but everyone keeps yelling about wanting the same copy-paste jet with different missiles and radars and here we are...

[@Dredgno]

@ it's just decompression, nothing to do with tech

[@cofro3284]

SU 22s going down because their ground munitions dont matter in air RB but the Tornado is still at 11.3 because it has lazer guided bombs in air RB.

[@kommandantkillcode]

The 11.3 Tornadoes don't have guided bombs though. Only the 11.7 ones do. I think the Su-17M4 and 22M4s should've stayed 11.3, and the Tornadoes, MiG-27s, and Su-22M3s should've all went down one br step.

[@RedXlV]

What was even the point of separate BRs for air RB and ground RB if Gajin is going to pull this shit?

[@PhantomofPhreedom]

@@kommandantkillcode su-17m4/22m4 and the su-22m3 are the same but m4 has 2 AGMs that work (for ground)

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@PhantomofPhreedom I'm talking about Air RB battle rating changes. The Su-22M3s only have 12 CMs that I'm pretty sure pop in pairs, and a much worse RWR.

[@PhantomofPhreedom]

@ Yea, I'm also talking about air RB. And the German m3 has over 120 flares. I said (for ground) for the AGMs

[@iboopy.1]

We should have gotten 15.0-17.0 as top tier a while ago, or a max uptier being .7 BR. Something that ticks me off is the Jaguar GR.1A being at 10.7 air and 10.3 ground, 2 AIM-9Gs and ADEN cannons are useless for 10.7 with an airframe like the Jaguar, the Phantom FG.1 and FGR.2 are the worst 12.0s in every regard but thrust, but are heavier with added drag

[@conarteest2939]

The MiG-21MF/SMT are gonna get to bully the 9.3s for a while, and then next thing you know, we'll have the F104A/C, MiG-19, and F100D all at 9.0. Can't wait for that!

[@Idk-cz9ms]

That’s what I was doing with them before when i put a talisman so imma use it like that again

[@martinwellhoefer9159]

And unlike in the past where it would still meet the f4s and mig 23ml, soon it wont even meet those jets anymore. The mig 19 would still be a threat to the mig 21 in a dogfight, but that's it.

[@captainmarks11]

That’s just the bonus effects if compression. By not addressing the source of the problem, and only moving its victims away, you just bring the problem to a new BR bracket instead

[@LatinaGaming88]

how flareless jets are in the game right now makes god cry

[@stew-03]

F-100 getting mauled year after year 😢

[@ducktes]

Aim9Ls with NO flares are making me almost weep. Like see missle, dodge, proxy absolutely SREADS the llane

[@ToshioThunder]

Looks like I picked the right time to get back into Skyrim. A lot has changed since the days before Anniversary Edition came out.

[@stargazer6613]

Is Gaijin trying to kill the game? All these negative changes at one time seems to be a big middle finger to the player base!

[@thesnazzycomet]

I like your timestamps, they describe me reading the devblogs

[@donteventry_1]

Communication moans is decompression Gajin: no

[@maxberlinski2214]

Gaijin try not to make horrible br changes challenge: impossible. The G8N1 should definitely not go up, and for the 190s, if they made them better like they were irl, they wouldn’t need to go down in br. It really seems like they nerfed the living crap out of the 190s.

[@captainmarks11]

As a 190 enjoyer, the br changes are baffling to me. I wouldn’t say Gaijin has been kind to them, but I’m not sure it needed to go down. That being said my buddies and I are definitely going to take advantage of the BR buff while we can before Gaijin realizes the mistake they made.

[@pinguino5105]

WHY ARE THE MIG-21S GOING DOWN!!?!??!??!?!?

[@CatWachristmashat]

Ready for an f3h to get r60'd??

[@pinguino5105]

@@CatWachristmashat Thankfully it won't be. F3H-2 9.0 and Mig-21 SMT/MF 10.3. Still it's absolutely insane.

[@solo_eagle]

Unfortunately it can already be shot down by magic 1(hello mirage IIIC and 5F), which is impossible to evade and is so fast you can't flare it off with rockets neither​@@CatWachristmashat

[@kajmak64bit76]

​@@pinguino5105yak-38's at 9.3 with R-60's

[@pinguino5105]

@@kajmak64bit76 Atleast the Yak-38 turns like shit. Now I'm gonna get outran, outturned, and out missiled in my flareless aircraft.

[@MilenKitsune]

Only way to fix mid tier is to add 15.0 but hey they play their own game more so they know

[@captainmarks11]

An F-15 being the first 15.0 seems like it would be fitting

[@bacsakrisztian4356]

SU-25/39 just doesnt belong to air rb. Same as A-10's. they are slow and only has 2/4 missiles which are useless even after one flare and a lot of countermeasures and guns to deal with ground targets.

[@stephanguerry1405]

They do belong in a Air RB that would be more like Enduring Confrontation or with the removal of the constant 'all plane and player name' showed up from the NPC 'scouts'. But would also be nice to have cheaters being removed as they don't need those bullshit thing to know where you are even when you hide behind mountains and fly ultra low to be hidden and their cheat give them your position.

[@VFrozzen]

these br changes are just a joke, as a brit main theres no reason to even look forward to these, im sure gaijin doesnt even know how to read statistics or ignore important things to end up with these results, how come all of these go down in br, yet we have things like the jaguar ggr1a (thats should be at least a whole br down) not being look at? even the french jaguar is superior and its at the same br, gaijin hates the brit so much they should just remove the whole tech tree and move the vehicles to other tech trees

[@ottaviobasques]

The Drakken A in 9.3 with be making an hell of an turkey shoot against missile-less jets.

[@captainmarks11]

The only reason I can think of for them not touching the premiums is to avoid negative backlash of nerfing the after people buy them. So instead they get tons of backlash from the rest of the player base because of the compression. While I understand not wanting to be accused of scamming people by nerfing the premiums, a lot of the problem ones aren’t new anymore and players should expect balance changes over time, even on premiums

[@radosaworman7628]

I wish Ej kai will have one day berable match up again

[@SpaceCaptnFace]

Japanese tree is poop. They just threw Thai at it and hope people would shut up.. nevermind you have to buy every damn vehicle to geind

[@charlieharris2864]

Why do I have a feeling that Gaijin is trying to piss off the player base today? Because I'm starting to get that feeling.

[@oFalKs]

3 steps forward, 4 steps back 🤡🤡 Never change, Gaijin, never change...

[@qltcn]

As 25 BM main, very happy with the changes.

[@ducktes]

The problem with the Swedish planes is, they become good once you have the modifications, the AJ37 is Mach .1 to .2 slower without any mods. And 70% of all the matches are uptiers against aim9L’s. AJ37 also requires ALL spots to be bombs if you want 1 base meaning you sacrifice flares and chaff. 10.7 and 10.3 without any counter measures against aim9L is painful

[@HunterSteel29]

Seeing Mig-15 players already crying about it, makes me unbelievably happy since they are dominating their own BRs with very little counterplay since they are just so much better than everything at 8.0. So if Mig-15s can finally get clapped I'll be happy.

[@RedXlV]

Instead of decompression, they're recompressing. Typical Gaijin fail.

[@daddytito917]

The reason premiums have way too much of an effect at the 9.7-11.3 br range is because that’s all people play

[@doctorothon]

ive had a negative review up for years and do not play nearly as often, just need people to quit or review bomb or both

[@MrJibJub13]

they forgot the netz. it also only has 6 non IRCCM IR missiles

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

The IRIAF going up without buffs is baffling.

[@R3llyman]

J35A out here fighting f86s

[@teodorsvetoslav1948]

Love the thumbnail, this is the only Bulgarian cammoflauge currently in the game.

[@teodorsvetoslav1948]

JUST SAW THE Su-25BM is going back 11.0 LETS GOOO IT WILL BE PLAYABLE

[@BenGibson-q9g]

Best way to balance is reduce the gains by attacking the wrong target. Missiles on strike aircraft are for self defense. If you get an air kill or a base in a strike aircraft you should only 20%. Fighter shouldnt be bombing or going after ground targets

[@MT11222]

Saab j35 going down: people will be happy, same people that buy day 1 premiums. Trash players

[@Idk-cz9ms]

Idk I see it as retribution after playing against f14s without a rwr now they can just obliterate entire lobbies very stupid change but anything for the grind

[@Scrunted]

TEC you missed that the F-111C got access to the GBU-15, and more importantly, the Aim-9M . . .

[@sharkmods9042]

and f-111F?

[@emilelerate6454]

IMO AJ37 going down is fine, its flight performance is significantly worse since the flight model got nerfed. The MF and SMT is significantly better now, so that going down is incredibly stupid.

[@BugattiONE666]

"Why is the J35xs going, it has loads of missles, countermeasures, it has everything yoiu want" Its rockets cant oneshot bases anymore...

[@Schmidt_64]

Why are they making these changes before they flesh out the modern SPAA/missle systems...

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

The community really psyopped Gaijin into putting the F16A lower.

[@kajmak64bit76]

It needs to be lower because Mirage 2000 has 2x Magic 2's and 2x decent SARH missiles F-16A only has 6x 9L's... idk about you but i'd rather have 2x Magic 2's over 6x 9L's Lmao So how it's ok that F-16A with 6x 9L's is the same BR as Mirage 2k with Magic 2's which have IRCCM... and a copy paste R-73 IRCCM but irl it has even better IRCCM... And 2x SARH missiles F-16A only gets bombs as an extra

[@aldocarulli3054]

Subsonic and Flareless Ariete now faces MiG-21SMT with all aspects💀💀

[@DoppelBro]

04:43 is the new meme for videos, I'm calling it

[@MaticTheProto]

I wish all f4s and j7d players a merry *redacted*

[@Idk-cz9ms]

I already grinded all of china but I genuinely can’t comprehend why the a5c and j7d are the same br still

[@Stefan-vz4pm]

the Tornado IDS series has no right being at 11.3, 10.7 to 11.0 is where it needs to be and no change there is baffling to me

[@georgesgranger6362]

How about just make the right BR changes based on what missiles jets have? Im tired of have AIM 9b's fighting jets with 9L's and 120's...

[@jg4312]

The worst thing for me is the change for the mirage 2000c-s5 going to 12.7 and the main reason I got it was constant downtiers because it was 12.3 so it couldn't see 13.7 the plane will still be good but not as trolly

[@vokqe]

Why are they changing stuff that never needed changing

[@4C0-q7h]

I swear for every one good thing they do, there is 4 negatives added.

[@reinyfrost3753]

9:40 Hunter F.58 needs to go to 10.0. And the Ayit needs to go to 9.7.

[@CptRupert]

I dunno, those changes seem reasonable to me, considering the max BR isn’t going to be bumped.

[@Karter_Blackpaw]

Very happy seeing the Su17M2, F4C, J35D and J35XS going down. They desperately needed it as it's nothing but all-aspect spam that you can't avoid. Maybe i'm the rare one here, but I seem to never get down-tiers, just nonstop up-tiers the majority of the time regardless of how well (or poorly) I play.

[@RussoMKa]

That's why I only play simulator these days, RB is starting to become impossible to play with so many jets where they shouldn't be, great example that Canadian gave now you'll have to play against the J35 against a MIG-15, where did they get the idea that lowering its BR would be good? Gaijin gets some things right and many things wrong.

[@kh2b573]

12:10 I agree, the F4S is good , even with the hordes of zomber teammates I still manage to get a reasonable KD and winrate compared to my other vehicles, but saying that it's crazy powerful when every single game I have to deal with some 4th gen is just not true, when a 4th gen of any kind decides to hunt you down there is literally NOTHING you can do about it. Those MiG27s that went down in br will still see the F4S, not a single 11.0 has moved down to where they will no longer see the F4S and yet the F4S will still see Su33s and Su27s (both of which are still the same br as the MiG29G btw with like a fraction of the R27 they both get)

[@KauppaKomissaari]

R73s arent too hard to flare generally from my experience except when its with in 1km or so and su25 is SLOOOOW

[@Danknic1234]

Honestly the R73 are shit literally takes one flare and it those jets only get two so they need this

[@KauppaKomissaari]

@Danknic1234 its just hatewith irccm making the fov small if uou can put the flare in the circle its goonr

[@Danknic1234]

@KauppaKomissaari I know but even though it's looking straight at the jet with a flare on screen for a frame it still goes for it they need to increase it's resistance

[@KauppaKomissaari]

@@Danknic1234 its fine it just is basically impossible to flare with in 1km like the nagic or pl5e2

[@Danknic1234]

@KauppaKomissaari I wish it was like that in my experience like it is for others where the missile is pretty much up the guys asshole and still gets flared

[@blackjack8697]

Ehh these BR changes seem more positive than negative

[@tbalazs21]

Why Zonic in background?

[@FeintMotion]

Put some respect on The Bag's name

[@AjEdw]

8:29 OMG finally someone gets it, i mean, i was fighting f-14s just fine because i hugged the deck like a person should do, im very happy that it was moved out of that tier but still, the amount of coping purly because some people cant play the plane right is insane. (I know, unpopular opinion, i dont care.)

[@jessekohler6000]

Say what you will, I enjoy arcade... Having worked through the US Air Tree and now in the 9-10 BR in the USSR Air Tree... I literally dread playing the Soviets now because it's all 10.0-10.3 Premium Spam of A 10s and F5-Cs with flares and good missiles, the USSR line up.. I got no flares and like 2 out of 5 of the jets with Missiles are $50 premiums which I have and it's still awful.

[@pablo3995]

Why does the MIG 23BN remains at 9.7?

[@RussoMKa]

Man he is still a shit plane to play with, and relatively easy to defeat.

[@pablo3995]

@RussoMKa They could at least move it to 9.0-9.3

[@OpFor473]

I eagerly await the SU-25SM3 in 11.7 xD About CAS, the majority of people who complain almost always don't even use SPAA's, I play with all of them, tanks, CAS and AA's, fun and balanced...

[@w1zz0k12]

This games a joke man, someone HAS to give them competition

[@sherifaljeddawy2467]

TEC you suggesting SU25s going against F14s,16s or what?

[@brim-skerdouglasson]

the AJ37 should be going down, viggens have bad air frames and poor weapon selection. I'd happily listen to a counterpoint.

[@LatinaGaming88]

only people who didn't know any better played it before

[@LolLol-nj7hx]

Aren’t the netz and the f16a the same plane😢

[@titan_fx]

Technically the netz can carry python 3 but i get it, it's the same apart from that.

[@ambrus-hun]

For me is the most hated plane is the MIG-21S(R-13-300). I don't get it how can be 0.3br different between that and my MIG-15 like how?

[@nostalgic7127]

The Mig-29 SMT needs a buff badly, it is absolutely terrible unless you don't turn at all the entire battle, I would say lower it to 13.0 but 6 Fox 3's vs f4s' is kinda unfair

[@TallyPatka-dz2cz]

Bro the fakour 90 is better than the r77

[@limo2397]

Mig23 bn 9.7 somehow still same br

[@aquafire_yt6247]

It’s fast as fck and 9.7 is Still pretty low.

[@aufstrigende]

The mig15s and Sabres are already facing far superior jets and already face the j35 in an uptier... its nothing new... just will be some how more common then it already is

[@akshaffy8839]

we cooked br changes

[@Okivaviko]

F4s it is powerful alright they really good at team killing

[@JustJAYY334]

fkn A10c going up in BR but SU27s go down? can somebody explain to me why? (genuinely, im an Air SB main so i just see it as a problem for trying to defend against enemy fox 1,3's)

[@tt_ttflap]

Why is mirage 2000cs5 moving up but not cs4??!!?

[@Kettleman1.0]

The mig 21 mf going down? Why, its fine for 10.7, and really a step to get the mig 21 bis at 11.0

[@StealthySpace7]

F-14A IRAF needs better Fox-2's if they want it at 13.0 all it gets is 20G AIM-9P's which are rear aspect only and have no IRCCM. Most jets get the AIM-9M or R-73 at 13.0 or at the minimum AIM-9L's or R-60M's

[@aquafire_yt6247]

And the thing with 13.0 is that You don’t get 13.0 Matches

[@RayMears82-s7g]

Not good news :(

[@polo4228]

Lancaster going down is crazy

[@Sascha5]

It really isn't. If you compare it to the Pe-8, they should be a lot closer in BR. And for ground battles, it effectively changes nothing, since there is not a single British ground vehicle in the entire tech tree at 5.0, premium or not, so you have to either uptier the entire 4.7 lineup to 5.0 or just run it the same as before with the 5.3s or higher.

[@hypoel1660]

Bro made 3 videos in 1 days 😭

[@titan_fx]

About time the IRIAF get br increase. But again, the problem is that the 1.0 BR gap can lead to extreme kit difference. Yeah IRIAF have little chance against 14.0 planes, but that could be said for 11.7 planes facing the IRIAF too.

[@rartg5295]

it doesn't feel like a chance when your in a f4s and all you see every match is iriaf killed you after depleting flares to survive their initial barrage

[@pdiggydog8439]

I've never seen a youtuber who moans so much...

[@SpaceCaptnFace]

He's not wrong 🤷. You want blind praise go elsewhere. I'm here for objectivity, not polishing turds for eyeballs

[@nanuk01]

Then why are you here and posting this on each videos? No one forces you to watch this channel...sheesh...🙄

[@pdiggydog8439]

@@nanuk01 find another video where I've commented this.