📘 Avid Reader: Javad T. Hashmi - The Impactful Scholar | Episode 19 | Book Café Podcast

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Dear All, If you liked this episode do please subscribe to the channel & check out our related episodes on Islam. 👇 📚 Book: Allah - God In The Qur'an ✍️ Author: Gabriel Said Reynolds 🎧 Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-Vg4Kwd56Nhqcsi=m4Tc_fZxQqz8Wxrz 📚 Book: The Qur'an And The Aramaic Gospel Traditions ✍️ Author: Emran El-Badawi 🎧 Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppaZmISulqpkbs0si=SdncVcE_qUPnbpem 📚 Book: The Humanity Of Muhammad ✍️ Author: Craig Considine 🎧 Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXy4hJlnmqqhhcksi=c_6QF-wOHlTMIdUR 📚 Book: American Muslim Agenda ✍️ Author: Mike Ghouse 🎧 Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ-YiIqNbamAi7csi=yr0tPcMiUwh_r0Zc 📚 Book: Solomon And The Ant ✍️ Author: David Penchansky 🎧 Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqGafqWGo8iLmrcsi=3lQ2nUDddY3allFo 📘 Avid Reader: Javad T. Hashmi 🎧 Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpa6qWqDlK19j5Ysi=Escydzz0dErlnzXb 📚 Book: The Emergence Of Islam ✍️ Author: Gabriel Said Reynolds 🎧 Podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJiZYn2HnNqmr9Usi=TStyRmOxuNPHxOiI Regards, Omar

[@notadane]

Always a learning experience listening to Dr Hashmi. Great interviewing, also.

[@bookcafepodcast]

Hi, thank you so much. Do please check out our other episodes. Regards, Omar

[@skaswani]

Thanks for this Interview session.

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Thank you for watching 🙏

[@subhaanahmad2149]

Great video and I am a huge fan of Dr Hashmi. A point I'd make is, with the idea of theologising a narrative is that there seems to be an underlying assumption of the traditional reading of the Quran as being correct but I feel there there's a lot of nuance being missed and some references which seem to be glossed over in favour of the overall theme being theological. So for example, the story of Jesus's birth and Mary. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but the theologising narrative approach would be to take the simple reading and see it as addressing particular points raised at the time or in the past such as the Talmudic references. While I do not disagree that is what is happening, I think within the story Joseph's marriage to Mary is alluded to through very specific references to casting lots to see who would marry Mary (Quran 3:44) which parallels lots being cast in Protoevangelium Jacobi to see who would marry Mary. There are many other references such as in both narratives Mary's mother dedicating what is in her womb to God and so on. So if the Qur'an is read with this in mind, I feel like it would maybe alter the reading since someone familiar with proto evangellium will see that the Quran is hinting towards this but has removed all mention of Joseph. I think that could have a different theological implication. Perhaps it's a case of two birds with one stones since it's exhonerating Mary from the Jews by saying she's married and hinting at marriage which refutes Christians. I think this may seem strange to us but if there was a Christian audience, I feel they would recognise Mary narrative as beings influenced by it heavily and there are very specific references such as lots being cast, in fact, the traditional narrative of it being Zechariah makes less sense since he already was in charge of her. So what I would say is, the idea of theologising narrative is correct but the Quran may actually be theologising a different narrative

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Thank you! Do please be sure to check out some of our other videos with Historical Critical Islamic Scholars. 📚 Book: "Allah: God In The Qur'an" ✍️ Author: Gabriel Said Reynolds ▶️ Episode 4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-Vg4Kwd56Nhqc 📚 Book: "The Qur'an And The Aramaic Gospel Traditions" ✍️ Author: Emran El-Badawi ▶️ Episode 11: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppaZmISulqpkbs0 📚 Book: "Solomon And The Ant" ✍️ Author: David Penchansky ▶️ Episode 18: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqGafqWGo8iLmrc -Omar

[@findleybingham4047]

'promosm'

[@elliot7205]

Is he bringing out a book??

[@bookcafepodcast]

Hi, thank you for the question. Dr. Hashmi is currently not working on a book as far as we can tell. -Omar

[@elliot7205]

@@bookcafepodcast hi, I heard that he was translating Muhammad kalafallahs work?

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No clue. My guess is as good as yours. 🙂

[@Ruhel74]

Great, compelling conversation, fascinating all the way throughout. There is a leap from Quran-centric focus and ‘allegorizing’ in relation to miracles and other non-natural things recounted in the Quran. The revelations were uttered to an audience of avid listeners and has to be understood as such. It limits the twisted contortions in apologetic arguments. And isn’t the HCM axiomatically opposed to the assumption of supernatural entities and causes?

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Hi, Thank you so much for this feedback. 🙏 You are correct that HCM does not allow for miracles; they get bracketed off and are stated to be "mythical". So for example, it is not "The Resurrection of Jesus" that gave birth to Christianity, but rather "The BELIEF in the Resurrection of Jesus" that gave birth to Christianity. And as Dr. Hashmi explained during the episode, scholars don't use the word 'mythical' to mean anything negative; it's just a descriptor. You are also correct that the Qur'an was uttered to an audience that was very familiar with the backstories of all the events and characters, which shows that the milieu was heavily Judaized / Christianized. You may enjoy our other videos that relate to HCM / Islamic History. Feel free to check them out.👇 📚 Book: "Allah: God In The Qur'an" ✍️ Author: Gabriel Said Reynolds Episode 4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-Vg4Kwd56Nhqcsi=8VDX_82JyPIcZbik 📚 Book: "The Qur'an And The Aramaic Gospel Traditions" ✍️ Author: Emran El-Badawi Episode 11: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppaZmISulqpkbs0si=TLWekyYX_EF6s0OR 📚 Book: "Solomon And The Ant" ✍️ Author: David Penchansky Episode 18: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqGafqWGo8iLmrcsi=BCkHUwa8fH1P8Vwe Regards, Omar

[@johncena12366]

I find it very problematic for any 'muslim' to say stories in the Quran aren't historical. They are certainly told as real. If they are not, that means God lied about some things or Mohammad wrote it. If God lies about prophets, what else does he lie about? Can we trust anything in Quran at all? If Mohammad wrote it, why do we believe he is a prophet of God? Sorry, if I cannot trust Quran, I would rather not be muslim.

[@bookcafepodcast]

Hi, thanks for your feedback. The Qur'an itself states that some of its verses are historical while others are allegorical. We just don't know which is which. "Lie" is not the appropriate word. Stories are told primarily to give a moral lesson, not to give an orderly accurate or factual account of history. If Superman and Batman were popular characters in 7th century Arabia, the Qur'an would not hesitate to use them to teach its audience a moral lesson. What you do with the Qur'an is entirely your business. Regards, Omar

[@johncena12366]

@bookcafepodcast "This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present with them when they argued" (Ali Imran - 44). So Allah speaks here as if these things happened in real life, not as a parable.

[@johncena12366]

@bookcafepodcast If people like Moses and Noah aren't real, their stories don't matter. Did Mohammad understand these as some just jewish folktales when Allah revealed to him? Did Abraham really build Qaaba? Or God made that up too?

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@johncena12366 it would not matter in the least bit. The Qur'an makes use of existing stories to stress a moral point.

[@johncena12366]

@@bookcafepodcast Do you believe Mohammad is a prophet of God?