Avoid Upwork! - Freelancers Beware: Upwork Review

[@JasonAWhaling]

Will you still consider freelancing on UpWork? 🤔

[@melsantonil]

UpWork is extremely competitive, another awesome platform is FreeeUp :)

[@JasonAWhaling]

There are a quite a few freelancer marketplaces out there; haven't herd of that one before.

[@Factory400]

Nope. Not even close.

[@halil_karaarslan]

No, never after they suspended my account without any reasons.

[@libakerotvbisdak154]

Onlinejobs.ph

[@sterlingstacker5679]

I noticed the table of contents in the description. I think that's very unique and clever. Not too many youtubers do that and it means a lot to those who just want the info and not an intro. Thank you.

[@JasonAWhaling]

👍Glad it was helpful! As someone who watches a lot of KZbin, I wish it was done more too.

[@marklester6143]

Great video, I wish there were more videos like this when I started out freelancing. I have to correct you on one point though; it's not your first $500 that is charged 20%, it's your first $500 per client. Each new client you get you are charged 20% for under $500 earned, then 10% for over $500 up to $10,000 and 5% for billings over $10,000. I was on Upwork for a few years and after a while I had to quit because it seemed like every couple of weeks they changed their policies to favour the freelancers that were more well established. So just like you said, they squeezed out the smaller freelancers in favour of the larger ones and agencies.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Thank you for the clarifications and sharing your experience as a freelancer on the platform for such a long time 🙏

[@PaulVazquezJD]

Keep going MarK. and congrats on your success. Are you still on Upwork or do you try other sites as well?

[@buchanagandirwabahenga2950]

Which one is better than all i want to freelance

[@peterliddle1486]

I wish I did more research before joining! I was only on for 6 months before I gave up. The amount of information they were asking for just to get my money was surreal! They literally could have stolen my identity online with everything they were asking for. They were almost impossible to contact to cancel my account. Then I had to basically threaten them just to close it!

[@kerekstudios2521]

Hello Mark, i want to go into freelancing. Can you help Me from your experience?

[@volitionant9682]

Why do I only see videos on which sites to avoid? Why not some info on which sites we should use.

[@brycegriffin9271]

The best way to freelance is either 1. start your own side business advertising on craigslist or whatever to get attention or 2. go to your normal job hiring sites or random businesses you want to work for and look for contract jobs. Going through any freelance website is doing yourself a disservice and cuts into your profits.

[@JasonAWhaling]

☹I know not the YT algorithm.... Here are two videos on why to use Fiverr and Upwork: Top 5: Best Fiverr Gigs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX_PaYSJm7Otgbc Freelance on Upwork (Top3): kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHrXmJuXZZ6Vabs

[@feranmiafrica9528]

You might Aswel think out of the box

[@OkNiePatrick]

This is true

[@nah8107]

Clickbait. These "marketing" videos are selling air and making money with courses, referrals and add views

[@thelikefairy1673]

Look at you replying to every comment in a professional manner. 👍 So glad I watched this. Thanks

[@JasonAWhaling]

😅... Thanks for watching! I'm happy it was helpful 🙏

[@Andrewlangat]

Upwork is like a restaurant that charges you for the menu, and an additional fee for ordering food, before finally paying for a meal

[@JasonAWhaling]

😂 Perfect analogy

[@MrHwilRRR]

😂😂 Even perusing the menu ain't free, my gosh.

[@tonyteacher369]

I was about to sign up, no way!

[@badassproductions4734]

XD

[@TarotReaderASMR]

... and you are the food.

[@dimchegcom]

Pretty much all is true. I'm making not a bad money on the Upwork, but I had almost a 9-year freelancer experience before the Upwork. This platform is REALLY COMPETITIVE! Thousands of freelancers from cheap countries can make your job for a couple of bucks an hour. So if you want to make a good start on the Upwork you need to have a really strong portfolio.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It makes it very hard for new freelancers to breakout, and as a client, it's much harder to find new talent.... Thanks for sharing how you were able to be successful!

[@chelseajackman7730]

Thanks for this. I've been getting disgusted with Upwork. It's also full of money-laundering scammers.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😟Ouch! Sorry you've had such a bad experience

[@Essays4College]

Upwork is a joke now! They're charging freelancers to apply to jobs and again upon job completion? No thanks!

[@VideoVibrantVv]

You are right! Upwork is now a business, they are not for freelancer.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😣Sad but true.

[@khalatelomara]

I have a good upwork reputation and jobs but you are completely right

[@Essays4College]

I don't even look at Upwork anymore. Maybe if they get their act together, change leadership or figure out a way to make things more attractive for the freelancer, maybe then I'll come back. MAYBE!

[@jeffwelcher1218]

Charging nominal fees (15 cents to a max of 90 cents USD) for applications keeps the platform far more legitimate than the alternative.

[@jasonhernandez619]

Thank you! Knowing this, I will not pay one more cent for "connects" -- even after I become established as a freelancer, I still will not come back, because I have no intention of supporting this kind of exploitation. If you were applying for a job at an accounting firm, a bank, or a restaurant, would you have to pay them to submit an application? No -- because those businesses are legit.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Good point

[@itsallabouturanus2997]

I agree with a previous comment: you got straight to the point. You wasted no time so I wouldn’t waste my time. Valuable info. Keep it up!

[@JasonAWhaling]

Thank you; that's what I aim for with these. Thank you!

[@shannonw.6583]

I have used UpWork and had criminals as clients. I wish I would have understood better that they protect clients and NOT freelancers. I did everything right and still lost my dispute. Fortunately, I was considered an employee not a independent contractor and my state and federal laws protect me. If i would have saw this earlier this week I would have done things a bit differently. Thank you!!!!!!

[@JasonAWhaling]

😣Ouch that sounds bad

[@utopian1402]

Thank you for this. As a new freelancer, I signed up on UpWork but I pretty much realised these loopholes through observations indeed. Also, the search function for UpWork sucks big time when it comes to searching relevant open jobs. The advanced search doesn't help either. If I decide to search via tags, it's no good either. Not a lot of clients put appropriate tags on their open jobs. Most of the time, it is a misleading tag of your skills for the job that is completely out of the scope of your skill. Anyone experiencing this? Tried searching and applying for open jobs on UpWork for a couple of months, but ultimately without any success just gave up altogether. I am now harnessing my own contacts (and their networks) and getting more jobs TBH (without paying any additional job charges). I guess, me and UpWork aren't really made for each other. 🤭

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's good go hear you were able to find success on your own even though upwork didn't work out. Congratulations and thank you for sharing your experience.

[@MohamedAKarim]

Great video, I’ve been on UpWork for over a decade now and it brought me great long term clients to my own business who continued to work with my own company for many years.... so, you can always count on UpWork as a cheap lead generation platform, as you’ll be proposing directly to a “hungry buying client”, you’ll be proposing directly to a client who already knows that he needs a help in a certain area and asked for help on that area... I can see those clients as “gems” if you’re someone who’s responsible for generating high quality leads. I’d also like to clarify that the 20% commission is worse than you have described... the fees ONLY goes down to 10% for ONLY the client who continues working with you after $500 Which means, if you got 10 projects each is $500 with 10 different clients (which is the common case), then you’ll have to pay 20% fees on every one of these projects, which means you’ll pay $1,000 fees out of $5k Still, for me, I consider that an essential part of my business cost and I’d still use the service even if the fees was 50% as long as I can price my service in a profitable way after the fees, which is your responsibility. The real reason I wouldn’t recommend UpWork for new users, is that it’s very very very common that UpWork can close your account if you applied to few jobs in the beginning and you didn’t get a response from client.... this doesn’t make sense and doesn’t make UpWork a safe place at all for any new commer to the platform

[@JasonAWhaling]

Thank your for taking the time to share your decade of experience with us! Very valuable insights and it's encouraging to hear you've been able to use it to grow your business off of UpWork as well. 🚀

[@sehejwahla410]

Any recommendations for a free lance noob

[@mojo9362]

I’ve been working on Upwork, its been 2months now, i think its a great freelancing website. You have to bid until you get yourself first job, make good profile and make sure you bid only on those jobs that you can get it done, and take connects as an business investment, once you started getting jobs you gonna build your profile and everything will be easier from there

[@JasonAWhaling]

It sounds easy, but sadly most people who do that don't have the same experience.... happy to hear you've found so much success with the site!

[@kiokokyalo9537]

Getting the first jobs is hard

[@mistershakh9203]

@@kiokokyalo9537 what about second one ?

[@kiokokyalo9537]

@@mistershakh9203 tell me about it

[@mistershakh9203]

@@kiokokyalo9537 got first job but cannot getting second one

[@omkarp472]

Thank you, I like that you got to the point from the start and also had a helpful illustration. I also liked the realistic cons explained

[@JasonAWhaling]

Thank you... My goal here is to present the pitfalls - not say never to try.

[@gingermo]

I had my boyfriend hire me on the site, to get my first job and review. Thereafter it was not so bad. Also, pro tip. Don't work projects, only hourly, people will always try to take advantage of your services, so don't do projects!

[@JasonAWhaling]

😅 Well that's one way to get started...

[@PaulVazquezJD]

Great tips have you tried other sites like fiverr or ifreelanced?

[@katieb.932]

Hahahahah that's genius

[@humayunmir5563]

I have tried all freelacing platforms. In my experience Upwork has been the best. Although the fee is higher than others but once you make 500$ it gets better.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Thanks for sharing! Glad you found success on the platform 🙌

[@diegoramos27]

Yea me too, for me it was the best

[@jenniferreinoehl7883]

Jason, I think you need to expand your freelancing website horizons. I completely agree that Upwork and Guru are the top freelancing websites, but what some of the comments are revealing about the randomly closed profiles coupled with the scaled commission giving Upwork a vested interest in randomly closing profiles and forcing people to start over, means that I won't be recommending it without a warning about this in the future. I have been hearing more good things about Freelancer lately, but I would want to do some more research before recommending it myself because of past (10+) issues. This also goes for Fivver. However, you have had people ask you about very specific jobs, such as translating, and there are reputable websites that allow you to build profiles and cater to specific occupations, like ProZ (for translators). There are always going to be ups and downs with any freelancing website, but the goal is to avoid ones that attract a large amount of scammers and migrate toward those that have payment protection escrows and other features that protect both freelancer and employer. I think every person complains about "foreigners" who can work for less "stealing" jobs, but the real problem is location. Someone who lives in Switzerland once complained about me charging too little because the cost of living is extremely high there. If you are living in a place or following a lifestyle that your occupation does not support in the competitive market, you might need to make changes either in occupation or location. At the same time, I have had qualified freelancers from Asia/Africa complain about how the freelance market discriminates against them and makes it more difficult to find jobs. Everyone cannot be hiring people from these places at low cost if these people feel they are being discriminated against because of their location. I think both sides are just feeling the pressures of a saturated job market. From my view, as a freelancer and occasional employer, I hire the person I think can complete the job the best within my budget. My employers do the same. Sometimes, the job does not require perfect English, and if you are bidding on a job like that, you have to show you can do better than someone who can work for less or you have to be willing to work for less in an international market. There are many employers who don't care about the job for whatever reason and will simply take the lowest bidder, but it is fairly easy to figure this out from the job description and avoid bidding on those jobs. For example, I never bid on a job that wants it "cheap, perfect, and tomorrow." These employers don't have a clue what "perfect" is (or how impossible it is for one person to achieve that) and are willing to take the worst slop/plagiarized garbage as long as they don't have to pay much for it and get it quickly. At the same time, it is extremely easy to figure out which jobs you are qualified to do and make sure your profile reflects those qualifications before applying to them. Even if an employer has listed a book edit as a design job, if that employer looks at your profile, he/she will see that you are qualified to do what is needed.

[@JasonAWhaling]

🤔 Very even handed critique and excellent points. I agree that looking for more niche job sites specific to a profession/skill makes a whole lot of sense. Thank you very much for taking the time to share your own experiences. 🙏

[@ZanStermecki]

From my experience, you still can succeed if you put 100% of your focus to freelancing. When I just tried to do it next to some other things I was busy with, it just didn't work. Once I decided to give it a chance for a month as a full-time work, things changed drastically. It seemed like a lot of opportunities just kept coming up and that I got that momentum

[@JasonAWhaling]

Happy to hear you've found success on the platform.

[@ZanStermecki]

@@JasonAWhaling Thanks Jason!

[@zarasazardkanloo4821]

All that was just great to know. I already have an account on Upwork, and yes! It is expensive and competitive. Thank God I watched this

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's an uphill battle but a good place to try. Just be sure to try out other platforms as well!

[@anilogstream5660]

Here's a fun fact. There's an ad below this video encouraging people to create an upwork account

[@JasonAWhaling]

😄 Awe KZbin

[@diegoasturias9252]

You couldn't be more right! I have been a freelancer in Upwork for 6-7 years... (and employer for one year)... I realized that they are over their head with fees, and now they even charge for connects. Of course, I was fortunate to meet amazing customers (friends) from that platform... But when it comes to paying 20% of your hard sweat job to Upwork, and then Paypal, your bank transactions, etc.... you end up working for fees... I don't see them dropping fees or allowing free connects or even helping out veterans on the platform (or helping out amidst the COVID)... I am starting to look someplace else.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Congratulations on your continued success on the platform! Glad you were able to get some good relationships before the fees really piled on.

[@OsmanShakil]

I love Upwork! It has changed my life!

[@Pranay471]

I am olso working on upwork but don't get orders bro 😢

[@abhigowda1996]

9740216124 call me sir please

[@mkamrankhan5856]

i loved it too when it was Odesk, i wish i will not see you in same situation like me when you say i do not love upwork. I lost everything in my life behind upwork my health, wealth, mind, social life, respect, and more.

[@mkamrankhan5856]

​@Brig Agency i have not yet recovered, i am just selling my stuff like laptop, computer, mobile, etc to get some money for my daily life things.

[@JasonAWhaling]

👍🔥Awesome!

[@aminanana1]

I love Upwork. And the price to apply for a job is from free to 15 cents. I've made over $40k on Upwork working less than part-time over a couple years. I would absolutely recommend it for a side hustle until you have your own website or online portfolio.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's nice to hear it's actually worked out well for someone

[@TheSabotaje]

honestly, I got my first 2 clients at first 2-3 weeks, but after that I couldn't find any more success looking. I even bought a monthly subscription with 70 connects/month, but it feels like I'm gonna just waste them all at this point

[@JasonAWhaling]

😰 Dang, sorry to hear you haven't found more clients recently... Hope that trend changes soon! Wish you the best with your freelancing career

[@PaulVazquezJD]

I would suggest other platforms like ifreelanced or fiverr

[@YourBFFMegan]

Thank you for this! I know freelancers find it tempting, but it's SO not worth the time.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Wish you the best in finding a different path. Hope all the videos were helpful!

[@georgefoley1778]

Not saying Upwork is perfect but it does have advantages as well. The level of clients you run into may be better on Upwork than on other platforms. Also the fees may sound bad but depending on your skill set 20% from your first $500 then 10% after that is actually worth it if you find a really good paying client. It may not work for everyone but I like it better than the others. Plus depending on your business the headache of a merchant account or trying to obtain a merchant account outside of paypal is worth the 10% from Upwork. It all depends on what you want and what you are selling. The thing to remember is when on Upwork is that you are a business, you need to treat yourself like one.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Good counter points. Your right that we have to consider the cost of finding clients on our own. I don't agree with the fee being worth it since the $500 is per client and not lifetime. There are a lot of contracts that don't get there. I think the previous system of rewarding lifetime earnings made more sense.

[@marafx2008]

absolutely true and right to the point. Upwork system takes out low quality workers even those with low price.

[@shelbystahl9389]

I so wish I would have seen this sooner, I only searched videos about doing well on your Upwork profile! :( so much time put into this website and I believe I have a strong enough resume to be at least considered by most positions that I applied for, but I only got contacted back by scammers. So disappointing and a waste of time when I could have been finding real jobs! Literally put a good amount of work into... maybe 60 proposals and got contacted for about 15? They were all scams, Upwork needs to do something to control that, one week my whole timeline was flooded with the same exact ad... like 15/20 postings.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Wow, that's terrible 😳... Wish you the best in your next venture

[@jcl716]

Hi Jason, thank you that was a great video. I am based in Canada. I know that some platforms only work with US based clients. Does Guru and Freelancer or any other platform you can recommend work with international freelancers? Thanks in advance!

[@JasonAWhaling]

Those are great alternatives to get started with. Your going to find the currency issue on every platform that you try. But there are always clients looking for freelancers from north america.

[@freelancingwithsilvia]

As someone who's been on Upwork for the past 7 years and loves the platform, I came to this video with some hesitations - but I gotta say you made some great points there. I still think there's a place for newer freelancers on the platform, especially if they know how to stand out and market themselves correctly, but I won't deny it's been easier in the past.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Congratulations on your continued success! Thanks for watching and I agree with you on there being opportunities for those who are willing to put in the work to stand out

[@PaulVazquezJD]

Good points Siliva, have you tried other platforms, like ifreelanced?

[@freelancingwithsilvia]

@@PaulVazquezJD never heard of that one!

[@PaulVazquezJD]

@@freelancingwithsilvia They are offering free basic packages for freelancers until there is a cure or vaccine for COVID. The coupon code "free basic" worked for me at check out.

[@freelancingwithsilvia]

@@PaulVazquezJD thanks, but I'm not looking for freelance work rn ;)

[@mattmeade983]

Fantastic review..,great that you showed the view from the client side so I now know why I haven't had any responses to my many applications for work!!! Thanks

[@JasonAWhaling]

Awesome to hear it helped answer some of your questions! Wish you the best in your freelancing career. 🚀

[@tefydevalencia]

I think part of the problem is people charging very low rates. You have people doing the same work for $3 $5 per hour 😑

[@mattmeade983]

@@tefydevalencia hadn't thought about that...I had set my rates low to try and get my foot in the door so to speak...but not that low!

[@tefydevalencia]

@@mattmeade983 Yes like my rate is around $12 and clients reach back saying they can pay $5 $6, because there are people charging even lower than that. There are still clients that would pay your rate depending on your skills

[@sblijheid]

@Jasmin Valencia Those are people from low income countries like india. The quality is in line with the price but clients don't seem to care. They just want cheap.

[@twoverygoodpals8872]

Working freelance, there is so much to consider and take care of. I just finished my first job on UpWork; I don't mind the service charges at the moment but I'm glad to know what the other platforms offer.

[@JasonAWhaling]

If your actually able to break through and get clients, the fees can be justified... Congratulations on completing your first job!

[@twoverygoodpals8872]

@@JasonAWhaling thanks so much!

[@barruzza]

Great information. A few years ago I used to get all kinds of work on Upwork, now it seems impossible because of the way they changed it. Also 20% loss on every project is crazy.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Yeah, a lot as changed for the worse

[@PaulVazquezJD]

Sal, have you tried other platforms like fiverr or ifreelanced?

[@RachelFilmsThings]

I’ve had great success with Upwork, but I also was added to the J&J freelancer cloud network that allows me to take on larger pharmaceutical freelance video editing work, so despite their credit system I have no complaints and with a Covid lay-off in March am happy to report that I’m doing better freelancing than I was with my 9-5 full time videography job with a media company.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Congratulations! It's always great to hear someone has actually found success with the platform.

[@hiarvingarcia]

Thanks for the warning. I will re-assess my freelancing strategy.

[@JasonAWhaling]

By all means, still give it a try..... just be aware of some of the downsides.

[@PaulVazquezJD]

Arvin, what have you discovered on your re-assessment?

[@asifs5051]

Consider LinkedIn.

[@Don-ly6ls]

I did try upwork but the problem is that its not really newbie friendly. If you do land a job its likely to be underpaying and thats pretty much because a lot of clients are cheap and are saving a lot of money taking advantage of new freelancers. Which sucks.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It is a very long term play - it's true your stuck with lower priced jobs and those clients looking for a deal ☹

[@reygood1]

No problem with me. I'm a top a rated freelancer I get my jobs mostly through invitations. Compared to fiverr, upwork has more good high paying clients whereas, fiverr costumers mostly are looking for fast and cheap jobs. Taking from my personal experience.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's nice you can work without connects.... speaking as a client they are restricting the invitations now so we can't invitations as many freelancers as we want anymore.

[@mylesdent2214]

Having just received my first payment from Upwork I now agree with Jason. It costs you too much money to work on the Upwork platform. On top of the portion that they take on any job, there is also the small matter of a $30.00 cost for the 'wire transfer' of your money into your account. I guess that this depends on where you live, but in my case I earned $365.00 from a client and received $311.00 from Upwork (a difference of $54.00). When converted into South African currency at my freelance rate, this means two full hours of work just to feed Upwork. Does'nt seem worth it, so off to the other freelance sites I go.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😣 Ouch! Wow, those are some heavy fees that add up. Congratulations on your success getting a client - sorry the fees took so much out of your hard work

[@rorisxng]

Hi Myles. Which other platforms are you using now? What work were you doing on upwork?

[@danielandronic9749]

I had success on Freelancer in the past and I still believe in it for a while even though I'm getting less opportunities than in the past and the competition increased exponentially even though most of them are not very skilled or educated. However, I dislike the double standards they all use when it comes to clients and freelancers. Regarding UpWork? I've created an account as an established freelancer coming from the other website and I've paid subscription and other things to improve my profile and make it look professional and I've been bidding on projects a lot but I had no success and they even blocked my account because I have complained about it on Instagram. Therefore, even though I've been going to Upwork local gatherings, I'm profoundly disappointed by that website / service.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Blocked? Wow, if it's simply because of what you said on IG that's ridiculous... And I agree the double standard for freelancers and clients is unfair to the freelancers (even those who have been on the platform for a while).

[@danielandronic9749]

@@JasonAWhaling I get clients by any means either way.

[@kelseymusulman7694]

Didn’t have all of these problems with upwork, but I definitely felt like I was stretched creatively on fixed projects.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Glad you've found success with it, hope it continues to work!

[@HBDuran]

Upwork clients want a ridiculous amount of work for next to no money. I tried for a year to get work and finally gave up. I watched tutorials, asked for advice, made different profiles for different kinds of work, experimented with proposals... Not worth your time, at least as a freelance writer. Might as well use Craigslist.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Really sorry nothing ever stuck... Sadly your not alone 😣

[@princehamza890]

Yes it happened with me sometimes. Sometimes you earn more money for less work

[@cee8226]

It's true. but I'm a new freelancer and I did made a few bucks there by giving a well-written pitch as a cover letter. At the end of the day, the client wants someone whom they can work with, can start immediately and are flexible. yeah. I won a few tho :)

[@JasonAWhaling]

That's so great to hear! So many negative stories, it's nice to hear someone was acutally successful. Congradulations

[@buuzy252]

The good thing about these freelancer job platforms is that we have the option to select the job level we want and for beginners we choose entry level to get more chances of getting an opportunity

[@JasonAWhaling]

True, those can be the hardest to get too though. Good luck!

[@Indian-at-heart]

Upwork is so great that some people are making money by just absuing it. Good work Jason!

[@JasonAWhaling]

True and true. Thanks!

[@RobertoCampoliOfficial]

Thanks for this video there was some good info in it which I don't know. So which platforms would you recommend then the other two or are there better ones?

[@JasonAWhaling]

I still recommend trying out Upwork - just be aware of the downsides and roadblocks ahead... Guru and Freelancer are the other two to try.

[@mariadimarco5820]

Fiverr is working out so well for me after UpWork disabled my account because I didn't seem "active" on the account for about 1 week, maybe less. I get so many people messaging me every day about my Gigs on Fiverr and I love it. Super easy to use and a good platform for people who want to put their skills out there for people to see.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Way to try multiple platforms! Glad Fiverr is working out for you where Upwork fell short

[@halil_karaarslan]

Great review! Also, I believe the wost side of Upwork is that they can close your account for no reason. I'm quite regretful for the time I spent on Upwork to build a good reputation.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's crazy how many people that happens too out of the blue. Not cool at all and it's so unfair that no explantation is given.

[@nerroseven]

not true, if you have a certain amount of pay or experience accumulated. Like any job if it shows that in your history you look for work every 3 months, whos gonna hire you ?

[@jenniferreinoehl7883]

@@nerroseven I work on Guru and sometimes don't apply for jobs for 6 months. It has never taken me more than a few bids to get one because I have a solid profile that extends for years. If you have to rebuild your profile every time you want to look for jobs, then Upwork sounds more like a scam these days because each time they are restarting your $500 climb. It also seems that if you are not using their pay-per-use "connects" then you will be suspended even if you have an active job. Once again, this makes Upwork a scam and not the legitimate freelancing website it once was. As long as you keep paying them high fees, you can keep your account, but once you aren't actively engaged in giving them money up front or once you reach that 10%/5% tier and stop paying "connect" fees, then you lose you account and get to start over. I can't think of any other freelance website that closes accounts for reasons other than bad business practices on the part of the freelancer/employer.

[@VanCalapanoOfficial]

Hi Jason Whaling, I definitely agree with your point. Its always to build a good portfolio and apply directly without sacrificing 5% to 20% of my income for some platforms. Thank you for explaining this.

[@JasonAWhaling]

🙌Nice! Good luck getting your own clients!

[@dracumelenios]

i made 3K this month on Upwork paying 3% service fee and working half days, so all this was bs... You get ALL the good clients and a lot of perks once you get to the top.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It is pretty nice once you've worked you way up. Congrats!

[@kanon1118]

Same here. Been working with them for 3 years. Earned a very lucrative sum. Ik still getting charge 20% though hmmmmm might look this up

[@mistershakh9203]

hi, can you advise me I got my first job and earned 5 star review but getting a second job seems a bit harder? how to win ?

[@dracumelenios]

@@mistershakh9203 TIP 1: Keep your text short TIP2: Do a video reel TIP3: Keep scanning the feed and applying to jobs - only about 1/20 will answer.

[@god5535]

You just confirmed what I intuitively believed. Many new freelancers upon signup usually land a client within days and then suddenly the entire site ghosts on them. Now that you mentioned that Upwork puts new freelancers on different categories where a client has to manually sort through to find them is essentially same as shadow banning. They want you to exhaust your connects and refresh the batch. I need to reframe the way I view Upwork.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😟 It's not cool how they do that

[@TheTimeForChange44]

This is sad. I used to be on Upwork, and you are right: the customer is 'always' right; a freelancer has to have savy and use the platform to win disputes.

[@JasonAWhaling]

☹Yeah, not cool

[@TheTimeForChange44]

@@JasonAWhaling I thank you for the updating video. It showed me just how much Upwork has changed, and sadly, it is (more) not in the freelancer's benefit. I do hope it improves.

[@marouaneidmansour8276]

Like your set up Jason ... Do you have a video for the best "bang for the buck" working set up for a freelancer ?

[@JasonAWhaling]

I don't but I did do a video on how we use Upwork to hire. You can checkout that vlog here... $8 Or Less? 💸💸: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2W9eZyfYrhmepY

[@jenniferwoodruff5330]

Oh my, this is good information. I was a client at Upwork for almost a year. I hired multiple freelancers, all paid hourly, and up until yesterday, I had long-term contracts that generated thousands of dollars and good feedback from all. Recently, I hired this one woman and I was her first contract. She begged me to help her with her emergency medical expenses via Paypal, so I did and then I terminated the contract. In turn, she tells Upwork that I paid her via Paypal, and in turn, Upwork suspended my account because I violated company policy and will be suspended until I stated my case. Ah, yeah, no. They acted first without talking to me first or letting me know the situation. I'm telling you all this story because I'm a client. I had multiple contracts going. Although both contracts that I had when I terminated the Upwork relationship, were long-term, one account- I was their biggest revenue by double than any of their other contracts. This Freelancer just got cut off and since COVID, it's been painful for companies based in India. Freelancers beware! Always keep that in the back of your mind. "Upwork has a tendency to act hastily and is prone to upset clients at any given time for no apparent reason. In my opinion, this is an extremely shady practice for a company to do this.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😣😳 That's aweful

[@sbontour6811]

Let me tell you that I have been working with upwork for last 6 years. It's the only genuine freelancing market place. Other like Freelancer, GURU are crap! Of course upwork is lil expensive. But the best!

[@JasonAWhaling]

👍

[@MK-ih6wp]

Don't you think its possible that the platform has changed in the 6 years since you first made you account? I am happy for your success there, but it seems to be less profitable/more exploitive for new users who are joining the site in 2020.

[@sbontour6811]

@@MK-ih6wp yes, it's difficult to get on board for new freelancers. They might have made it purposely so to keep the marketplace genuine. But the market is with upwork, the freelancers and the employers, upwork being the most professional. And there is always a cost for premium product.

[@anggiyanuariska695]

it's not good for the new user

[@michaeltumey7756]

Honestly, I'm a successful freelancer, I'm a map illustrator for the game industry, and have been for about 13 years, having gotten some big clients in that time, and steady smaller clients, most as repeat work. I don't remember which one, maybe it was Upwork, but on experiment, I joined, I participated - but you know what my targetted industry I serve never go there, never visit, they just don't use these online freelance services. Upwork, and I'll argue all online freelance referral services are crap, unless you're a newbie, trying to break into the freelance experience - even then I don't recommend it. The way I obtained clients was winning a couple of contests initially in various gaming sites, then through my portfolio, recommendations by satisfied clients, including referrals by satisfied clients, I've had an endless stream of commission requests - and not one time had I ever contacted a potential client and asked them to hire me. I've even gotten commission work from Activision. They found a map I created on FB page and hired me on the spot. They all find me - via FB, Google+ (not anymore, that's gone), DeviantArt, and Artstation. I never needed to pay for an ad, I've never needed to show my resume, explain my education, nor participate in some crap freelance referral site. I just get a request, offer a rate, and get hired. I say, don't waste your time on any online freelance referral service - market yourself like I do, at no cost at all.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Wow, that is quite the success story and testament to your dedication to your work. Congrats!

[@mdhafiz00]

I've been working on Upwork for almost 3 years now. So far so good. I haven't got any issue with them. I can say that most of my income are from that job site. People complain that they got no job after spending all of their credits. The competition is higher now compared to when I first started. And yes I bought credits now to bid more. Because it is just a business expenses, and can be covered easily when you landed yourself a job.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Awesome its working for you! Thanks so much for sharing your success story!

[@loureenatieno1549]

Hi..I'm a begginer I need your help

[@jamesctr14]

Thank u very much for ur advice. It was very informative for a beginner like me.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Happy to help! Wish you the best with your freelancing

[@lettyhanson526]

I've been surviving off upwork since day one now you have to buy connects and get promo code. It's just sad.... I really didnt even mind the %20... I'll check out these other sites. Thanks much

[@JasonAWhaling]

I hope some of the other sites treat you better.... I agree the connects are outrageous particularly given how many clients don't wind up hiring anyone.

[@danz10001]

Right...so what SHOULD we use instead? This is why its it's so hard getting started...never know where to begin and what's legit or not.

[@JasonAWhaling]

I'd still recommend trying upwork; these are just some downsides to be aware of

[@BrettExclusive]

I only work with customers who pay me what I think my value is and even then It blows my mind they’ll offer higher than what I was even asking add more to that, people who treat me respectfully, and people who I build long lasting professional relationships with. I am consulting and managing their products, socials, campaigns, projects, etc., and they may fit the bill but that’s because they need the help as well. I’ve now hired my own assistants and it just makes me livid seeing how upwork treats the freelancers making them money over a client subtly blackmailing me into an extremely underpaying contract so I didn’t lose my top rated status...which she still did. I’m torn about upwork but I have learned so much professionally from my business mentors I am definitely all for a more ethical model that what upwork provide 😁

[@JasonAWhaling]

Thank you for sharing your story and insights.... Really sorry a client did that too you. Upwork should have a system to be able to see that kind of behavior.

[@ayemonchit]

Thanks for the video. Even though I have many years of experience in my specialised field, I couldn't lend a chepest paying job there over the week. I just quit because I feel like upwork is putting me down.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's quite hard to stand out and get started. Sorry the jobs were low and far between

[@chrisbannu7443]

Upwork sucks for unskilled people, if you have top notch skills, Upwork is one of the best places to be in.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's not a great place to get started any more. Very hard to stand out even if you do have experience 😣

[@BilalKhan-vf5lz]

@@JasonAWhaling right

[@shalinjirawla]

I am a top rated freelancer for last 2.5 years with 6000 hrs of work history, still not able to get new project on Upwork since last 9 months. It's not worth it anymore.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😟 Dang that is aweful

[@RockinFreelance]

Very thorough overview, couldn't agree more! Nice work!

[@JasonAWhaling]

🙌

[@speakstheobvious5769]

I just accepted a contract for $200.00 in which Upwork would take 20% which would leave me $160.00. The client urgently wanted 202 images cut out as they were four days behind. After accepting the contract the person wanted me to do it cheaper.

[@JasonAWhaling]

That's not cool. Sorry you had a bait and switch like that

[@TimRoseOfficial]

Super review Jason! Thank you for sharing your experience, I've wondered a few times about Upwork!

[@JasonAWhaling]

The good news is there are plenty of other platforms out there and UpWork can be a part of a freelancing strategy as long as you are aware of the downsides..... good luck with your freelancing! 🚀

[@crossfarm4146]

I am a Python Programmer, who has been spending about 5 months studying the subject. I feel confident enough, that if given a task, with enough time, I can create a functioning program. My only problem is that I have no projects to work on to really showcase my work. Do you recommend a place that is designed for beginner freelancers? in which we essentially get paid a low amount, or not at all simply to prove ourselves?

[@JasonAWhaling]

I don't.... If you need to build a portfolio, then the best thing to do is to take on a project on your own to showcase your work

[@sandyvu]

I've been tried all these "freelancer" platforms: freelancer, fiverr, guru, etc. And etc. Never able to get any jobs from them but Upwork. What Freelancer do is only asking me to subscribe pay member which charged 10usd/month the minimum package. Bla bla Yes, service fee of Upwork is high especially for the new freelancer which never able to earn 1st 500usd from a client. But Upwork really gives excellent service. I never get disappointed with Upwork. Other platforms for me are only scam. And another thing, Upwork is really a business, no body can give you anything free. Pay something like it's a kind of respect other ppl's effort also.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's good to hear that it's actually working for some people.

[@BrianHSC]

Upwork? Excellent service? You gotta be fuckin kidding me.

[@thingshappen1213]

@@BrianHSC so can i ask which platform you are using now? because I saw you mention 9$ translation, which I got trolls about it before...

[@IoT_]

@@thingshappen1213 I've been trying to apply few times always changing the profile in other to be applied but they always denied. I'm looking through other accounts which have been granted access to work and actually their skills were significantly fewer and the quality was lower. So , basically it's wrong place to start for now

[@essany]

So you're saying the fees, the connects, and the monthly membership to get the connects are not tax deductible?

[@JasonAWhaling]

I'm not giving any tax advice here

[@essany]

But if they are tax deductible, doesn't that make all of the fees not a problem?

[@LetLearnwithstanley]

Its my third year working with upwork but of this year they have introduced a very unfair system on charging us for connect...someone advice the site to sign up with them

[@JasonAWhaling]

Yeah, the new system is completely broken. As a client I hate it and we are getting less and less qualifed candidates as a result, 😣

[@LetLearnwithstanley]

Maybe we can work together but outside their system...what type of gig do you offer

[@InvestingEducation]

Came across this video because I am researching upwork as a stock to own. Nice video

[@JasonAWhaling]

Hope this helps in choosing a platform to get started with 👍

[@NOC-H]

I was just thinking about this. A fee to make money, a fee to buy tokens to submit for jobs, a fee to take your money out. Thanks for showing me other choice, since I decided to stop working for Upwork

[@JasonAWhaling]

👍

[@michaelmccloud7506]

The bid charges, make it better for clients, right? If there were no charges, they would be flooded with bids on every job... Just a thought. I have not been on the client side.

[@JasonAWhaling]

As a client I don't agree. We got way less applicants when the system was introduced making it harder to hire.

[@sjn_]

They blocked my account for an unknown reason before I could even start, I hadn't even done anything, was just setting up my profile and few days later figured out it's blocked like wtf. Good to know about the fee system, I guess I'll stick with fiverr.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Yeah, that happens a lot 😣

[@nazimtairov6861]

they even didn't explain what was the reason. They wanted to verify my identity, provided all needed docs and they suddenly blocked my account. The worst expierence in my life

[@jordanclarke1680]

@@nazimtairov6861 Mine was blocked too because I haven't earned on it

[@YveGonzales]

Oh this explains why I don’t get any response from clients I’ve sent proposal to. As in literally. I have sent 13 proposals and got 0 response. This is just frustrating for me as a newbie. 😢

[@JasonAWhaling]

Very sorry to hear that. That's normal for when you're just starting. It can take a really long time to finally land a client when your just starting

[@YveGonzales]

Jason Whaling UPDATE: Finally got my first client after my 15th proposal!

[@SuzannaKiraly]

I realized these sites are mostly a waste of time if you are an American because you are competing against people in countries where prices are much cheaper. It's much better to reach out to businesses directly.

[@xlnt3d01]

That is true, but on Upwork you can choose to only work with US clients and to bid on gigs that only want US based freelancers. In the end, bidding on work in any scenario is bad. Check out the book, "Win Without Pitching Manifesto" by Blair Enns to understand more.

[@SuzannaKiraly]

@@xlnt3d01 Yes, I tried to US only clients too but the prices were still too cheap and many low-quality clients.

[@xlnt3d01]

@@SuzannaKiraly thats totally understandable. I'm taking on lean budgets at Upwork right now myself. However, its better than having to pick up a crap pay part time job somewhere. I've got higher value work and clients, but the volume isn't where I need it right now. Minimum I have to reach about $100k-$125k. I'm only about 1/2 way. Eventually my flow will be shifted so I can't afford to take on lean budgets or maybe I'll have a full time gig again and maintain the high value clients so I can dig out of debt and eventually leverage the extra money properly instead of buying food and gas.

[@xlnt3d01]

@SquishyCandyftw I agree with you. For the lean budget US clientele, most are amateur buyers, bootstrap startups, hobbyist or just people with self funded one-off projects so their budgets are tight, they do not know how to provide art direction or communication and what communication they do need to have, they want it easily understood both phonetically and culturally implied. Often, if you are a seasoned profession (if you are on Upwork, then you must have taken a bad bounce along the way...that's why I use it, to bridge gaps in client payments and low months) you will need to guide them through the process. I've worked with people internationally as a buyer and as a vendor so I get the global economy and that there is sooo much talent worldwide. There are pro buyers on there too, but they are looking for cost savings on low risk projects, otherwise they'd hit up the talent pool in their own outsource stables. Personally, I don't try to get low to mid level clients off Upwork with difficult projects. Myself and a few of my peers look for the fast turnaround super easy work. I'd rather make a decent clip creating a vector circle than work for minimum wage doing something more complicated.

[@marafx2008]

Not true Suzanna. I am italian. And I compete on Upwork against people from India, Pakistan, China that sale services for 8 dollars/hour against my 40 $/hour rate. This does not mean that I have no work. I have filled my 40 hours slots in my calendar for all tme. Who really is a serious and quality client will always choose freelancers that are not low cost sinec the word is: You pay nuts you get monkeys... most of the time. If what you say would be true, since I have a VAt number I pay taxes for my earnings and a lot of taxes... well I would not be an Upworker if it would not be the best place to find good quality customers- not ones willing to pay a dime and ask for a wonder. Dont trust me. Go check my profile www.upwork.com/fl/vasilebrindusaantonia

[@vidnify-explainervideocomp1511]

My location is currently "UK Only". that's fine but I am seeing only jobs for UK customers. Question is: if i am based in UK, can't I do/see jobs for other countries?

[@JasonAWhaling]

Yes, you can see jobs across the globe

[@khalatelomara]

as an upwork old user (since 2011) you are correct , upwork is a complete mess now :-D but actually I built a good base and fine quality jobs from it , there is no joke because of these strict rules , but it is soooo bad for new people even if they are powerful , it sucks

[@JasonAWhaling]

Even as a client, it's a mess. I miss the 2011 version too.

[@Intimatycal]

ok, thanks for this video. I made upwork for my music services few days ago and I was shocked actually why there is no way to apply for a job without PAYING for it. I will delete my profile now and keep it on freelancer/com. There should be more videos like this. Good job

[@JasonAWhaling]

Ouch! Wish you the best on Freelancer.com

[@garylillich2311]

As an employer (client), I once loved Upwork. With the changes in fees, I no longer am happy with Upwork. Prefer other options

[@JasonAWhaling]

I completely agree... We are looking other places to find great freelances now. The structure is ruining the platform.

[@kendarr]

I've opened accounts on various websites for freelancing, I use upwork because it's where I got my first job and the second and so on, it's not bad after you break the first work

[@JasonAWhaling]

Congratulations! That's the way to do it. Try multiple platforms and then stick with the one that gives you some gigs and momentum.

[@Bijo69]

It won’t even let me enter my address to make an account so I guess that’s a no then

[@JasonAWhaling]

😣Sorry

[@c.m.6957]

I just recently got my first contract with Upwork (first mistake), with a fixed price (second mistake). After I completed the work, the client refused to pay the full amount, even tough it was recorded in the messages on the platform. The amount she would pay was a fraction of the agreed price on the contract. I tried to file a dispute but there is no way to enter a dispute for me, I tried to follow their instructions but kept getting a robot or the "community". I decided to let her keep my money after many hours of work. If the client and Upwork want to take money from hard working people, it is on them, not on me. It is one of the worst work experiences I have had. I have been literally robbed.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😟 I'm so sorry; that's really messed up

[@Gen.Pigeon]

They don't even entertain new applicants, I use to had an account which was suspended and later they disqualified me stating I do not qualify.

[@JasonAWhaling]

☹Ouch.... sorry to hear that. They are getting pretty strict

[@nadirahahmad2549]

hi, i'm new using upwork for my part time job, just 1 question why all offer job that I get need to give deposit? is it the procedure or scammer?

[@JasonAWhaling]

You don't have to give a deposit. I never go that route as it gives the freelancer too much power of the project. I like doing hourly so that there is fully transparency of what is being worked on. Upwork may ask for a deposit to make sure the freelancer gets paid in that situation; but you don't need to give the freelancer a deposit.... Hope that helps!

[@Iamthegaurav]

You didn't mention the quality of clients we get on upwork, rather than freebie or cheap seekers on other platforms who look for cheapest work as possible so paying a quite high is still justifiable if you're good at doing something.

[@JasonAWhaling]

That is very, very true. Upwork does a good job of attracting clients who aren't just looking to pinch pinnies. 👍

[@matshidisomack6466]

I'm new to this and got my first job last week. When I check the milestones, it shows how much I've been paid. However, when I click on getpaid, it shows $0. Their support is not explaining anything. I'm so confused

[@JasonAWhaling]

I'm sorry I don't know what is happening there. Something sounds broken.

[@pandaypira4346]

Its my first time to try freelancing. Can you suggest any good platforms? Btw nice video sir

[@JasonAWhaling]

🙏Thank you...Still try it out - Guru and Freelancer are the other two competitors but they have their own problems

[@pandaypira4346]

@@JasonAWhaling thank you. Is that good for beginner? How bout flexjobs sir?

[@buuzy252]

Hi ! a question, what if you're new and you're looking for Entry Level jobs? of course you learned skills but haven't done any project yet what should you put on your portfolio? thanks!

[@JasonAWhaling]

This is going to be very, very hard to break out on if you're new. It doesn't hurt to try and have this be one of the places you try, but I wouldn't count on it.

[@buuzy252]

@@JasonAWhaling So on what would you count on if you’re new then? If newbies can’t count on portfolios, on what they should count on then? To complete any sort of project, you would still need an experience and skills and a portfolio to get hired on any entry level job at first place so like how could you get a job if you haven’t done any projects but learned tons of tricks and gained skills on KZbin and tought yourself? Thanks!

[@tydoworld4904]

I feel so discouraged finding this video .. I just created my upwork profile. I don't get it .. I applied to earn money not pay for a job a need wtf

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's a tough road. This is just some of the downsides of working on Upwork... You can still try it out!

[@refingels]

The will wait till you earn some money, and then will block your account without any reasons and explanations.

[@KishBish]

I'm on here watching videos bc I know nothing at all about Upwork.. I've been interviewing for a job for the past month, finally got an offer letter yesterday and it says that I need to create an Upwork account if I accept the position.. I saw something about 20% fee and was like whaaaattttt 😳 none of this was mentioned in any of my interviews.. I've never been through anything like this with getting hired 1099.. what exactly is this?? SMH.. thanks for sharing..

[@JasonAWhaling]

You can be hired via a 1009 without Upwork. Hopefully you can ask to just be paid as a 1099 - Upwork takes a LOT. Most likely your new employer just wants to use the time tracking tools and pay with a credit card. I don't have a good answer for you. That's messed up that your being forced to use Upwork being hired off platform.

[@nerroseven]

UPWORK is GREAT, LOTS OF JOBS, THEY HAVE A SPECIALIZED TEAM TO LOOK FOR JOBS TO YOUR SPECIFICS. With enough experience and or payment amount, you are in, if not then your account may get closed, until invited again. So start great, show your stuff and produce. Once In, use the membership to get more job connects, which is what you use to send your resume-coverletter, you are going against other countries where an employer may pay less for the same labor, thats not true, its not the same labor, so theres work. like any tool if properly used, it will show a result, so fine tune your account

[@gul-e-ranagul9319]

i started upwork when it was odesk. worked for years on and off. till they some years ago, all of sudden, they suspended my account simply bcoz i bid on 2 projects and couldn't get any of those. i got email saying since i am not getting projects, so they gonna suspend my account forever. they even didnt consider that how much i have earned already with 100% positive feedback.

[@JasonAWhaling]

Awesome to know that you've had such a positive experience on the platform! As someone who hires on the platform, I know that it can be hard for some countries pricing to compete due to currency exchange rates.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😓

[@RachithaHathurusinghe]

Now, what is the option for upwork? are there any other websites we can use?

[@JasonAWhaling]

🤔 You can still try it... This just some of the downsides to be aware of.

[@mayurpatel4023]

I am quite good at financial modeling can i try upwork ?

[@ayrtong6]

yup i made 400k in 56 nights

[@Pranay471]

@Faizan Studio brother i am olso working in upwork but don't get orders since 2 months

[@brycegriffin9271]

yeah i made enough to buy upwork in a month

[@JasonAWhaling]

Absolutely 👍 The goal of the video isn't to tell you NOT to use Upwork. Just be aware of some of the downsides.

[@marcusv6134]

It sucks they don't give newbies a chance. Hell, they don't even accept my application. I don't like "getting charged before getting paid" system as well because it sounds like a scam.

[@JasonAWhaling]

It's not a scam, but it is really rough on new freelancers and the pay before your paid model is not cool at all.

[@LaCorvier]

Im just starting Upwork. I have spent all my free connects and just purchased another 20...so far my first 2 weeks no luck yet...many job posted are new client with new account. Is it a mistake tying to bid them ?

[@JasonAWhaling]

The new clients are always going to be riskier, but it should be less to bid... It's too tough to know if the new clients are going to be a risk. 🤔

[@Kevin-kj5th]

Its very difficult. Even if you have experience I found it very hard to get contracts. Also I noticed many of the people posting contracts just want free advice on what they should do. I do social media marketing and copywriting. For marketing I have gotten 0 jobs. For copywriting I've gotten 3 for the same person because they like my work. I'm thinking about quitting Because it's too expensive and doesn't help freelancers. I spent hours applying and it sucks. Huge waste of time. 20% is alot of money. I just want to build up my profile so I can use it for jobs when I start to travel

[@helzapoppin9810]

I tried this back when it was still Elance. Was a horrible experience. It's impossible to compete with overseas bidders used to poverty wages.

[@JasonAWhaling]

🙁 It can feel unfair depending upon your country.... If you didn't like elance you definitely won't like it now

[@tskjesusfreak]

I was thinking about doing some Upwork years ago (3 plus years ago) and when they wanted to screenshot my computer, I clicked x.

[@JasonAWhaling]

😄

[@PaulVazquezJD]

Wow, why were they asking for a screen shot?

[@Hushhushbaateinbydivishasingh]

I have just started to freelance and I was just going to register. I have decided to do otherwise. All the experienced people here, how do you actually get a project? I'm having a hard time getting my first project. Please guide/suggest me something if you can. I'll be grateful.

[@JasonAWhaling]

You're not alone here; it's a numbers game. All you can do is make sure your profile is complete; you can see freelancers who are experience to see what you can improve and then keep submitting customized proposals.

[@Hushhushbaateinbydivishasingh]

Thanks, Jason.