AWD Radrover Performance Tests

The performance tests are complete with my AWD Radrover. Find out where it shines.
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[@dB-EV3]

I bought my Rad in 2016, rode 700 miles, then parked it. Having MS, it was too much to pedal up hills in Seattle, and quit riding. Then I found your Rad up grade videos!, After upgrading mine, the motor, controller and 52volt battery, and brakes, I'm riding every week, delivering food for our local food bank on my Rad. Thanks man. ,D

[@CitizenCycle925]

That's awesome!!! this comment made my day 🙂

[@danimayb]

Brilliant! Although honestly, It could have saved yourself a few hundred bux by sticking with your 48v as yo gain little from it, The controller and motor would satisfy your pleasure. But if it's no sweat then rock on! :)

[@petebatfish1373]

Dude you crack me up. You remind me of an old mad magazine cartoon "Clyde Buster's need for speed". Overkill, overbuilt FrankenCyle mad scientist. ITS ALIVE! I love this channel!

[@metalman69201]

MODIFICATIONS: Once begun, they never end!

[@MrKingcj33]

There is something special about building your own creation because it adds sentimental value to it. As you know I upgraded my Rad from being inspired by your video's but I have decided, and have already purchased, a "Super Monarch Crown" 1500 Watt duel everything, only problem is it's on backorder and I won't get it until May :-( And I'm thinking about starting a KZbin Channel as well, here in San Francisco! Great work Citizen, you inspire me with your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@lm69]

I've been watching your videos for a couple of months now. I joined the team, bought my RadRover today. Your videios definitely help me to decide on the Rover. Tanks for posting tem

[@tcm2kd5000]

I'm building an AWD sun-long bike recumbent, 2000w back, and a 1500w front with two 72v 20ah batteries. I already had the 1500w front wheel and have had it up to 48mph 80amp controller. The sun bike is just going to be the test bed, I am going with my own frame this winter to overcome the problems of no suspension and having to find space to put batteries and controllers. I'm going for speed as I am riding on 20'' wheels. It should be insanely powerful.

[@cahokia33]

I have the 2020 rad rover and have done everything like yours because of your channel and willing to risk it, so thanks,except I have two 52v 20amp batteries,one for rear and 1 for front. Top speed is still 35 maybe 37 mph.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Awesome! Did you use an ebikeling front motor?

[@cahokia33]

@@CitizenCycle925 yes, exactly

[@trevorjameson3213]

That bike is so cool, man. I have a regular 27" e-bike "mountain bike" 500w hub motor thing you know. And it's great, I love it! I wouldn't even consider a regular bicycle anymore, even though I still have mine, I don't care to ride it anymore. After seeing what you've done to yours, I'm planning to do the same thing and add a front drive also. My bike in stock format will go exactly 24mph top speed with throttle only. And the range is crazy good on this thing, I can go 47 miles with a combination of throttle only and pedal assist 2. I haven't even ridden my motorcycle much since I got this bike because I can take this bike in parks, on trails, wherever!

[@seriouskite]

S.W.A.T. Team 3:50 mark, Was looking for 40 mph. but on a "bicycle" @ 98 lbs. 35 ish is the Holy Grail. Range is "ranger danger" to ask Mr. CC Rider, I will guess 80 miles, with pedal assist and minimal Full Tilt Boogie throttle only. Re: front shock, did you make any adjustments for additional weight of the motor? The hill climb ride along was awesome, impressed with low effort to ascend. The Misstress is all done up with additional power up front and party in the back. I like that you are not integrating power sources. When my Volt Canadian Bike's warranty is up (or maybe, I already void it) I want to follow your build. It turns out the Yukon 750 is really a 500 Watt, oh the nebulous world of E-Bike power. I want a true 750W, now it totally makes sense the "Himi" hit speeds well above Volt Yukon out of the box. Maybe, I will leave the NOT true Bafang 750W (500W) alone and do the front upgrade. Any thoughts for this front project, would you do anything differently? Ride ON, Brian! Another quality vid, full of info. You keep on giving, and also giving this backyard hack a bito' confidence that, maybe I can do this.

[@trevorjameson3213]

Bike looks great, hard tail with the rear rack looks great too!

[@agasdoc]

I love your videos! I watch many ebike review websites, but you have the most original and entertaining channel around. I used to be a spandex-wearing road biker in my earlier days, but now am an avid ebiker. ( Love the beard and blue jeans! ) You really make this whole thing fun. Thanks!

[@CitizenCycle925]

Thank you! Yes I wish everyone could try an ebike to experience the fun! No spandex needed 😁

[@dtape]

Cool test. The word for that dirt dam hill that you were searching for is "levee".

[@CitizenCycle925]

Good call! That term has been escaping me..

[@seriouskite]

@@CitizenCycle925 haha "Bye Bye Miss American Pie, drove my Chevy to the.........

[@mofosoto]

Awesome video! Crackin me up about how there's too much torque and tires were too inflated for traction when you could have just changed the setting on the front wheel and let air out of the tires in like 2 seconds.

[@dB-EV3]

Also I bought a ,cirrus body float seat stem, to help soften the bumps, you can adjust the stiffness, helps the lower back.

[@rogerf3622]

Great video! I suspect your zero-to-whatever times in reality are actually faster than you indicated. Ebike speedometer displays lag behind the actual speed when either accelerating or decelerating. Even the speed app on your phone lags behind. All these devices have a low screen refresh time perhaps as low as a second or two.

[@keithdainton6043]

Another great video you are quickly becoming my favourite KZbinr I have a couple of ebikes myself after a lifetime on motorcycles. and you are right the difference between a ebike and a manual bike is night and day .

[@CitizenCycle925]

Do you still have any motorcycles? And what ebikes do you have?

[@keithdainton6043]

@@CitizenCycle925 no I sold my motorcycle after some lowlifes tried to steal it because where I now live I had to leave it outside. I have a fiido m1 fat bike with 20in wheels and a racing style bike called a mak cycle here in the uk.

[@RideFishHunt]

Awesome video! I just got back from cutting wood on my himiway. I have the quietkat trailer on my bike. I only pull the saws on it. We load the wood onto our 4 wheeler that has a trailer. But I could have used that AWD today. You can't even tell my bike is black right now!!! I have another hemiway motor. You're giving me great ideas!!

[@CitizenCycle925]

I think this thing would really do great in the woods climbing hills on trails. would probably pull that trailer like nothing too.

[@RideFishHunt]

@@CitizenCycle925 That's exactly what I was thinking when I was watching your video.

[@SMG-lz1zq]

I have the Kinect seatpost. It works really good. Better than the cheap ones. It would make some great videos for you to show how to adjust it, etc...Love the how much power you got out of the bike. What a monster!

[@rome252]

I had a good ride today. I'm in Winston-Salem with the Hyperscrambler 2. It's just good to get out and get some sun

[@CitizenCycle925]

Awesome 😎 how are you liking the hyperscrambler?

[@rome252]

I don't have anything to compare to but I really like it. Had it for just over a month. The seat hurt me today. I'm going to need a change in that area. I hit 35mph for the 1st time and think I can get another 2 mph if I change the setting. But overall, it's still new to me so it's really fun

[@tweedledee4922]

Loving your videos! I just stumbled on you today... and you posted this today! I am building a 3000 watt, 52 volt, 50 Amp continuous power fat tire bike now. Rear wheel hub motor. I will let you know what performance I get out of that. I just bought a Radrover step thru for my wife yesterday. Curious to compare the performance of these 2 bikes.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Sounds like you are building an absolute monster!! Love it!

[@recumbentrocks2929]

Great bike! Thanks for doing all these tests for us. Have you tried setting the wheel size to the minimum, say 18" and see if you get more top speed. There could be limiters in the software. Having built my own ebike I can say it changes your view of distance. I feel confident that I can go much further then I ever did without electric assist. Love it so much.

[@tomsan7742]

need another video going through soft, deep sand. rear, front, and awd comparisons.

[@dannyrayos5233]

Been waiting for this. Love you man!

[@BillBadMule123]

I Love Your Video's Thank You for posting :-) I Now have over 3000 mountain off road miles on my Rad Rover Step Thru 1 problem free ? Well every once in a while it loses power but all I must do to fix it is flick the brake leavers once and it comes back on .

[@tonysshadow]

You made an interesting demonstrating in the first few minutes. The rear wheel, I beleive has an interenal gear ratio of 5:1, thus more torque VS the front direct drive. Then together, seems to allow even MORE efficient rear motor performance.

[@mikesvirtualhikeandtours1721]

Love the Citizen Frankenstein bike. Keep up the good work!

[@Zraekor]

Now add a Mid-Drive

[@brianwilson2559]

Thank you for showing your safety gear.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Hey if you're going to ride a Frankenstein homemade bike at 35+mph you got to wear something right 😁

[@brianwilson2559]

Love the channel for my own research, great content. Thanks!

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@brianwilson2559 thank you so much I appreciate that!

[@aintgonnaworrynomore]

I was wanting a Rokon but this might be a better option.

[@Altema22]

Loved this video, and you are definitely quicker than my 4.9 second RadMini! For comparison, a Juiced Scrambler does 0 to 20 in 6 seconds, and a Super72 with the V2 motor does it in 10 seconds.

[@CitizenCycle925]

What is the setup of your rad mini again? That's pretty quick!

[@ug9191]

That's a clean build, nice work!

[@The13lade12unner]

Hey Bryan . Love the bike !! Got a question about the controller upgrade . Like you I upgraded my rads motor and controller . The controller seems to kick off at 1200 w . I see you have gone well over that . Anyway to adjust that limit on the controller . Thanks . Keith

[@michaelsprinzeles4022]

If you built an AWD for hill climbing power, slogging through muck and acceleration you should have matched the rear set up or even gone slightly lower power than the rear. Most pre-made AWD e-bikes either match the motor power front & back or go slightly lower in front (to lessen the slip when accelerating). Direct drive motors don't climb or accelerate well. What a direct drive motor is good for is top end speed. Still the Mistress is awesome. Ride on & enjoy!

[@CitizenCycle925]

I wish I could have found a geared hub motor for the front. This was a total experiment. Maybe if I do another one I'll get more technical about it 😁

[@boostercontrol100]

Awesome!! watching now been waiting for this one.

[@DanielLopes-jt8yl]

It’s ok that the front has less power them back cause the front would spin out. They say there isn’t enough weight in front to hold the tire to the road if motor is to strong.

[@jefffroehler8269]

Another great video! Thanks CC.

[@larrybowers64]

Thanks for this Bryan! You’re an inspiration to those of us who would like just a bit more than stock! lol 🤪 Stay safe man!

[@CitizenCycle925]

Ya, just a "bit" more than stock 😁

[@AlexImpulse01]

Thinking of adding a 52v 2000 watt front hub to my ariel rider kepler to get more top end speed. It tops right now around 33 on throttle Only.

[@Timbodacious]

front wheel needs to be designed to pull less than the back wheel, if youre turning and the front wheel is pulling all of the mass and youre leaning you dont want the front wheel losing its "dig" into the turn causing it to slide out and make you faceplant. dual setup is good for relatively straight muddy or snow conditions

[@deridionentertainment]

I'm doing the same thing to my add motor m70 when I get it. I'm going to also have two motor throttle. We think alike. We are one of a kind man lol

[@warlockboyburns]

I think the 8fun 48v 500w front hub motor has 65n.m torque and it's geared so almost no resistance. I've ran a 500w motor @ 2000w + and it only died when I started using it over 3000w.

[@pedrovision6987]

What a bike...love it!! Let's do a sand test, find a beach somewhere...dunes are just problematic no matter, but it would be a nice test. Any idea what the headlight voltage is?? It's either 5 or 12... I'm in the same boat...I know nothing about electricity, but I do know...I love riding this ebike of mine (2018 Rad Rhino)!!

[@CitizenCycle925]

Not much sand around me ☹️ not sure what headlight voltage is

[@pnoon43]

I was going to say _ Whose the freak on the electric bike - they filming a movie here in North Carolina ? Way to go Bryan.

[@williampierce5615]

Basic is more reliable. Great job.

[@michaelengelby732]

I've been watching videos comparing direct vs. hub drives. One of the complaints of hub drive is the torque puts too much pressure on the spokes and they break. Have you had those problems or do you regularly tighten the spokes?

[@CitizenCycle925]

i have not broken any spokes yet. and mine are no doubt under severe stress as i run 1700+ watts thru that motor. i never really check them or tighten them either, prob something i should look at.

[@briankent6164]

Dude.. Love what you do! Thanks for the videos..

[@CitizenCycle925]

Thank you for the positive comment 😁

[@marcs4091]

I wish I could get my wife to move to the Carolinas, we got a high of 28 in New Hampshire today.

[@woodsculptor675]

I hear ya, buddy, I'm in NH also. I went for a ride today on my Camp Scrambler but it was a chilly wind and not much over 30 degrees!!!! Can't wait for the warm up!!!

[@marcs4091]

@@woodsculptor675 yeah buddy, I force myself once in awhile so go out and ride my non electric Fat Tire Bike. My two gas bikes have been sitting since the beginning of November, and my electric bike has been sitting in my closet since the first week of December. I like the snow but I'm getting too old for this s***.

[@marcs4091]

@@woodsculptor675 how you like the scrambler, can you derestrict those?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@marcs4091 come on down to NC!! Much better e-biking weather!

[@marcs4091]

👍🏻

[@warlockboyburns]

This looks fun but I wonder if it would be confusing going over bumps on trails when you have 1 wheel off the ground then sudden awd.

[@CitizenCycle925]

the little bit i have had it off road i certainly needed to watch what i was doing with the front wheel throttle. its not perfect. :)

[@darkknight7169]

That Hemingway is one fast bike would love to see a bike with mid drive to see how fast they are

[@CitizenCycle925]

My biktrix stunner X has a 750 mid drive motor. I wasn't able to pedal that one as fast as the Himiway.

[@InfamisZips]

Don’t know if I missed it. I saw the top speed with both motors. What is your top speed with just the rear hub.

[@kurtgriffin4163]

You only have 48 volts going to the front wheel as opposed to 52 to the rear motor could explain the hill climb even though the front motor is 1200 watts

[@Busdathead]

Did you ever do a range test throttle only on it .

[@boostercontrol100]

Came out awesome bro! Yeah I noticed similar my top speed went from 29 to 31 I'm pushing around 1350watts up front. I got the gearless cause higher top speed (not as much torque down low) I bet if pushed 2 to 3000 watts in the front it go alot faster but like you said what's the point lol. Mine accelerates fast too!! Im going try a 0 to 20 and 0 to 30 also. Good times.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Thanks booster for your help!

[@boostercontrol100]

@@CitizenCycle925 no prob bro good times!!

[@boostercontrol100]

@@CitizenCycle925 I did a 0 to 20mph the rear throttle not working on mine the rear throttle gives about 200 more watts than 5 pedal assist. The rear tire low too still managed a 0 to 20 about 5 seconds. Was going do 0 to 30 but nephew wanted to ride will do next weekend! Going air up tire too. Here video kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWWxh5xmop10ZsU

[@kjohns1413]

I am really curious how the frame handles the two batteries and weight of everything. I did a awd bike out of a Gravity fat bike. The big issue I have is the frame flexes, a lot with anything on the rear rack. I am really curious if the RAD or even Himiway bikes have frame flex because I found this to be a major issue on my fat bike build.

[@CitizenCycle925]

i have not noticed any flex in the frame at all. the rad frame is very heavy duty

[@geoffreyfagan1798]

Juggernaut Beast? I have that bike, from Biktrix, but it's a mid drive (Bafang Ultra). Glad your project worked out, and by the way thanks for your vids on the Biktrix Stunner X, because they affected my decision - unlike you I could only afford one bike!

[@CitizenCycle925]

I've never tried the ultra motor, how is it? Crazy torque right?

[@Shishou_Shi]

I wonder if you weren't going for speed, why did you get a gearless hub motor on the front? For torque geared is best.

[@CitizenCycle925]

this is a pretty old video 😁 Check my Rad Rover playlist and you'll see the latest version of this bike with a geared hub on the front

[@RLowVaughn1]

That is impressive acceleration

[@woodsculptor675]

Haha! Who's the Super Hero on the Frankenrover......? It's Citizen Cycle!!!!!

[@CitizenCycle925]

You need to provide me with a superhero name... 😁

[@seriouskite]

@@CitizenCycle925 your name already is becoming one with this backyard hack

[@rickyn1135]

What do you use for chain oil or grease ? Do you wash your chain & how often ? Thanks.

[@CitizenCycle925]

I clean and grease the chain periodically, just whenever it looks dirty and dry

[@goobfilmcast4239]

Power issue on the front tire...could be the controller programming? ... not sending enough juice to the motor ?

[@CitizenCycle925]

I tried to max out every setting I could in the controller. It does feel like it should be more powerful but I've never had a direct drive motor before so I don't know what it's supposed to feel like.

[@danman7210]

Great job awesome video!!!

[@rickyn1135]

Maybe if you put the front motor in in pass 3 or 4 first?

[@nrg8787]

Have u heard of any issues with breaks on a rad mini 4?

[@15205golfer]

What happens when you use pedal assist and use throttle? Have you tried that?

[@RussIsRight]

Amazing!

[@ebikecyclingtesting9454]

PLZ Test macwheel wrangler 600 from amazon

[@normandmichaud6183]

I'm jelous...sick..I would love the torque. I only did the back end upgrade and now you have me thinking

[@CitizenCycle925]

yes, the power is very addicting :)

[@cedmanotro]

Mid drive for top speed?

[@cedmanotro]

I wonder how this would do in deep snow, could be compared to sand

[@CitizenCycle925]

Unfortunately it didn't rarely snows here in Cary North Carolina. I've lived here for over 15 years I think I've seen it snow more than 6 in once. I would totally take this thing out in 2ft snow if I could

[@deridionentertainment]

Ariel grizzle vs your cool all wheel drive ebike

[@ricksattler682]

Dig it! Awesome bike :)

[@thatdeepdoge8511]

Dude I could definitely beat you in a drag race! It'd be close but mine tops out at 36mph (its awd btw)

[@shipoffools2183]

The major issue I have with bike riding is getting dressed up like Darth Vader to go anywhere! The rear wheel is geared down to increase torque the direct drive front should give better speed.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

Get a Thudbuster seatpost by Cane Creek....Makes a HUUUUUUGE difference.

[@CitizenCycle925]

That one's quite expensive. My seat with the big springs actually does pretty well.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

@@CitizenCycle925At $170 it is.... but I am 6"1' - 245lbs and it works wonders for me on my 2020 Rover. My bumpiest rides are actually on the crappy sidewalks and pavement in my otherwise pretty FL town (BTW, no hills to climb). Between the Thudbuster and softening the front suspension...ahhhh ! Anyway, It is Amazon-available so you could try it then retur.......

[@seriouskite]

@@CitizenCycle925 concur, exact seat, surplus light, phone holder from your AMZ affiliate. Thinking front motor next.

[@jackblevins273]

Do the escape

[@candeffect]

Bling is criminal magnets.

[@marcs4091]

Citizen, everything about a gas build! There a ton of fun, a lot cheaper, but way more maintenance and a lot dirtier.

[@timriemersma9076]

Couldn't you just put the same motor in the front as the back

[@wmnapier]

All wheel drive only gives you more low end power. The motors are not going to speed up on high end speed because they are only going to go as fast as what the max Motor RPM is. Also you should have purchased a motor that matches the same as the back. Trying to run a high WATT motor that does not match the battery or other components output will not do anything but fail or just go slow and eat batteries.

[@seriouskite]

Re=Review the video, motors and power are separate. Thus or could it be hence, hahaha left throttle, right throttle etc.

[@ronpagala7496]

Mine gets 35 mph dual motor

[@jamzychillz]

the 1000w motor isnt as powerful beacuase of its weaker controller/48v battery and not 52v controller/battery your bafang kit has a better controller and battery

[@paulrybarczyk5013]

At 3:29 you look like OVERKILL from The Tick! 👍😎 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH68YWV5mdRkb68

[@CitizenCycle925]

Haha never seen that movie but ya kinda 😁

[@smoothmicra]

Meh.

[@catspaw3815]

Fantastic!