Wired Predator: Testing a New 6000w eBike

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The All New Wired Predator is a Dual Motor ebike that delivers over 6000watts of power. Specs for this new ebike include: 60v battery system with 20ah frame Battery plus 15ah rack Battery, Gemma 4 Piston Hydraulic Brakes with 203mm rotors, Double Crown EXSHO Fork, 4 Link Rear Suspension with adjustable DNM Air shock, 1000w EW Front Hub Motor paired with a 40a Controller, 1500w Hentach Rear Motor paired with a 50a Controller, Color Display, Minimum Seat Height of 35in, bike weight 123lbs, rack and fenders included.
With thrilling acceleration and ample hill climbing power, the Predator ebike is an experience unlike any other. Thank you to Wired for providing a sample of the Predator bike for testing and review. I hope you found this video both informative and enjoyable to watch.
Ride Safe!
~Citizen
Timecodes:
0:00 Intro
1:10 Specs & Pricing
2:00 Peak Watts
4:29 Hill Climb Power
7:24 Acceleration Tests
10:20 Top Speed Run
12:06 More Thrills
13:12 Drivability
16:56 Wrap up

[@CitizenCycle925]

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[@jackattack2060]

Hi, love your videos what type of bike rack are you using in your garage to hang your ebikes?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@jackattack2060 SteadyRack

[@davidpeake9370]

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[@Tynted]

As a '24 single motor Freedom owner, I love how Wired is pushing their products further and further, but honestly we need a 72V option now. With this much power, I want to be able to go 50mph so I can keep up with traffic anywhere except a highway, while still being able to ride slow and easy at 10mph in a park. Out here in the midwest, that would be an absolute gamechanger.

[@firstinlastout]

Get an e-scooter. Many of them are 50 mph +

[@Tynted]

​@@firstinlastout No, that is not an effective solution. I already own a dual motor scooter that goes about 35, and that's as fast as I wanna go on such a short wheelbase. The portability is amazing and I love the scooter, however, as I can throw it in the back of my car quickly. But it also has other problems: - I can't have a basket and pannier bags on the back for grocery getting - There's no good place to put lights or turn signals for visibility in traffic. It's also smaller, so you're even less visible in traffic than a motorcycle. - It's harder to effectively lock up for theft prevention (they're easy to just disassemble quickly and they don't have great locking points), but a 50mph scooter is also gonna be way too heavy to bring in the store with you if you wanted to take that approach - There's probably others I can't think of right now. But my point is that a 50mph ebike would be the *perfect* middle ground between a motorcycle and a bicycle out here in the midwest if you want to be able to actually carry things on it with you.

[@140theguy]

@CitizenCycle Why front-wheel drive only is handy. I am a 300 lb guy that lives in the mountains 10 mi from the nearest town. I switch from front to rear wheel every few miles to help prevent the motors from overheating. I can melt the average 1000 watt motor in less than 600 mi. That's the rear motor on an AWD bike. The front motor seem to last two or three times longer than the rear motor. Switching to the front motor when the rear gets hot does wonders for motor longevity. Love the video 👍🍻

[@CitizenCycle925]

Wow thank you for the input. I never thought of that scenario

[@RileyMcLaughlin-ns6gc]

@@CitizenCycle925 Does the predator have a temp sensor and display value for both motors separately? Because that would be amazing for monitoring temps and switching. I get high temps very quickly in the hills of CA with both my 2024 and 2024+ unless I closely focus on not giving more throttle than it takes to move the bike when on steep, loose hills.

[@simms196]

The predator is 20% faster than a Grizzly. It's time for Ariel Rider too step up with a 60 volt. Excellent review CC 👍

[@notsoanonymous2458]

I just commented something similar yesterday on another ebike video. Ariel Rider has been left behind.

[@cellsheet]

You should do a comparison between your all wheel drive kit just for fun! I'd like to see that one

[@motsetao]

Awesome. I have a 2023 Freedom. My accelerator comes in handy for intersections. And if I come to a stop in a higher gear my accelerator is a lifesaver getting this 80# ebike moving as I can't establish a cadence starting off in 7th gear. Other than that I'm mostly in PS1 at 10-15 mph. I kick into PS2 and PS3 for hills on our public trails. Would like your demo and comments on its performance in PS levels at AWD. I live in the mountains and torque is everything. I like to pedal when I'm on my Freedom. Where I live a Class 3 ebike can't exceed 28mph or 750w. My Freedom does 38mph and I've hit 2250w on it.

[@4damula]

I got my freedom 24+ today. When i watched this video earlier today, i felt a little salty this one wasnt available when I ordered. After assembling it this evening and taking it on a test run. I have realized one thing, I do not want to go any faster on a bicycle! The single motor pulls. You will not be disappointed..

[@luigiprovencher]

I was salty too when I found out that this came out because this is exactly what I wanted.

[@firstinlastout]

​@@luigiprovencherwhat the heck is salty? I'm 50 years old and I never heard that term before? Do you mean you feel duped?

[@Willsayittoyourface]

You need to get out more Bud.. get out of the library & playing video games all day. It means upset , disturbed & pissed i'm 50 years old also and have heard the term since i was younger. ​@@firstinlastout

[@luigiprovencher]

@@firstinlastout Pissed off.

[@stephenolotu5588]

Thats crazy all that power but i see it still goes about the same speed as the regular wired fredom

[@benhartland4708]

it's the area under the curve, torque monster! gets there way faster! think of how drag racing works.

[@stephenolotu5588]

@benhartland4708 I see sounds good but tbh I feel like it's over kill for range

[@firstinlastout]

Not to mention, do you think those Chinese tires are built for speeds 40 mph Plus?

[@stephenolotu5588]

@firstinlastout idk from previous review on wired freedom they r. But idk how long they will last on the predators with there melt ur face off torque

[@andrewford9974]

That's wild! I want one. Also. Good job on the video your editing and all that has gotten a lot better over time

[@CitizenCycle925]

Thank you for that I really appreciate it. I've been trying to improve my presentation over the years

[@klumze9911]

That it too much bike than what I would be looking for but the area you ride around looks amazing. The houses and landscape is beautiful!

[@stanpurves9677]

I think the Wire ebike company Love❤you

[@Kkidzz]

I'm good with my '24+ single motor.....I've hit 42mph. That said, this beast would excel at steep trail climbing

[@stephenolotu5588]

Do u think u would get more range on the regular wired freedom or this one

[@Kkidzz]

@@stephenolotu5588 Good question… you’re looking at more weight and faster battery drainage using two motors. Then again it’s all based on settings…. a good question to ask Dan or Steve at WIRED. 😉

[@jasonkrantz8946]

Depends on how you set up and use it

[@sekaf4125]

amazing. im over 3000 miles on my Aventon adventure. I love it. this bike looks absolutely fun

[@jeremywheeler2122]

Very nice for those in hilly areas. It's nice to see wired offering more options for people. I only wish it hit closer to 50 on the speed.😂 I think I really need to get a hold of that 50 amp controller and put it on my early model 24'. That way I could do 40 much easier.

[@stephenolotu5588]

Pls let me know if u do it I'm getting my wired next week

[@4damula]

@jeremywheeler2122 Look at the flipsky 75100 pro vesc controller.

[@terrychang6683]

The 50amp controller is a cheat，false advertising

[@jeremywheeler2122]

@@terrychang6683 What do you mean? Could you go into that a little further?

[@terrychang6683]

@@jeremywheeler2122 Because Hentach 1500W Motor does not allow the controller current to exceed 40A, if it exceeds the motor damage caused, they do not provide after-sales service.

[@f1dog]

Awesome video Bryan! You make the best content to "feel" the bikes.

[@Slow_PEV]

$3200 is a little much but im glad to see more 60 volt love from ebike makers we are going in the right direction

[@craigpreston1161]

Actually 33 hundred plus probably 2 hundred shipping, you can get a better bike for that much money

[@rambojohn7118]

@@craigpreston1161total with shipping and taxes plus ship insurance is $3800 , if you don’t get the shipping insurance you will be blamed for the damage. Personal experience!

[@TheAbsolutShame]

​@@craigpreston1161Name the bike.....

[@KutWrite]

Wow! Save $50 whole bucks? :))) Fun to watch. If I get an eBike, it'll be more reasonably priced.

[@JohnnySmith-z8p]

What is the gps top speed on this model for the money of $ 3200 . Dollars dual motor ? - the other model for $ 1999. You get gps speeds of 40 mph. It makes me question is the price difference worth paying the money for having a dual motor set up. . Thanks for your videos it gives us newbies a better understanding to the ( e. ) world

[@stephenolotu5588]

Exactly what I'm talking about plus with dual motor ur range goes down alot even if u have 2 batteries

[@bigstan360]

I think the diffrence is the instant torque and speed. The top speed is similar but I'd imagine the dual motor accelerates about 40-60% faster and the torque to haul up steep hills is much improved.

[@eagle94haslanded]

Top speed is more a dance between motor torque and efficiency. These motors have to put out a lot of power from a dead stop. If they had gears, they could go much, much faster given the right conditions (Down hill/with the wind/etc.) Even just a low and high speed gear. The dual motor costs $1300 more but you get a second battery and second motor. Both of those are kind of where all the cost comes from with an e bike. I think pricing makes sense. And even if you rarely use that 2 wheel drive power, youve got double the battery to get you about twice as far.

[@stephenolotu5588]

@eagle94haslanded wired freedom base model has dual battery integrated into there bikes already. They did this without increasing the cost at all for the additional motor I do understand the extra cost but I think the range will still suffer bec in the base model the dual battery takes u very far. But in this I think with dual motor the battery drank will be significantly more plus the wear and tear on the tires will be alot. I think wired did a good job but with this bike it kind of was n over reach. Like a bigger over reach

[@eagle94haslanded]

@@stephenolotu5588 Oh dang, i see that now. Yeah definitely not worth 1300$ more for just an extra motor. 2k is actually a pretty good price for the single motor unit considering its got dual batteries. I was looking at spending 1100 on a different bike thats dual motor but now im kind of tempted to get this single motor.

[@dream.machine]

This bike is insane!!!! I just got the 2024+ Wired Freedom last month 😅

[@johnhecht5565]

I hope Wired will build their Cruiser model with this same dual motor set up. If they do I will be begging them to take my money.

[@armandhammer8507]

That is a monster ! Dangerous bike, only for skilled riders.

[@4damula]

I wish wired would sell a predator upgrade kit since its the same frame

[@benhartland4708]

it's pretty involved, not just a slap on kit. not only would you need the new motor, controller and wiring you'd also need the new display, new rear controller to replace your current controller, new front fork and the predator sticker. i'm sure i'm forgetting something.

[@4damula]

@@benhartland4708 sounds like the perfect project to me

[@kickerwormz3262]

I want to see an honest review of the Predator Vs the MONSTAR. The MONSTAR was shown on radar doing 50mph. My friend has a Wired Freedom. She likes it but has had some problems with it. It took forever for her to get the replacement parts. Every company has issues with a bike. It's like a car. Sometimes you get a part on a new car that just goes bad. I had a bad display on my Dual Star. They did a next day air for my display, and I was up and running again. Customer service is huge in my book.

[@gregb878]

Both bikes are capable of more but they are programmed at a 45mph limit.

[@kickerwormz3262]

@@gregb878 i unlocked mine. 43moh is far enough for me.

[@CitizenCycle925]

​@@gregb878if you're goal is just the top speed, I would not buy this bike

[@johnnightly5281]

The math doesn’t add up for the top speed of the monstar AND we don’t know if that radar was calibrated correctly. A gps test would be more accurate however cells has conveniently not shows us that.

[@kickerwormz3262]

@CitizenCycle925 i know it's gonna be a climber. I unlocked mine, and it scares the crap out of me. I only do it once in a while.

[@BrianB1963]

I would like to know about the suspension over bumps on a rough dirt road

[@OmDeAndre]

I just don’t see it being worth it. Tire spinouts are fun a few times but I feel like it’s going to get real old when you’re burning through front tires and never grip the road on the acceleration which is somewhat dangerous. Similar top speed for 1000+ more price and it’s heavier? Doesn’t scream buy me.

[@stephenolotu5588]

Exactly what I'm saying

[@stephenolotu5588]

Plus the speed r relatively the same

[@johnnightly5281]

It’ll get old until you go back to your old bike then you’ll want the power back again !

[@Randomadventurelife]

The kenda krusade tires are a off road tread. Street tires would stick better.

[@alanflatau1685]

Your right, I have a 1000W MOTORS AWD 20X4 30AH 48V 1269DOLLARS CHINA IS CHINA 🇨🇳??!!

[@moodyfox3108]

Is there a AWD cruiser coming ? If not I'm getting the cruiser with one of your kits.

[@bobg4593]

Great, I have the Wired Cruiser on the way on a UPS truck right now. This bike is insane. I want one!

[@freightdawg6762]

same here bob this week

[@CitizenCycle925]

The Cruiser is a really nice bike, I think you'll be happy with that one though.

[@asleepappeal]

I lucked out and chose to drive cross state to pick up my cruiser. Supposed to be ready on Monday until I saw this. It sounds like they'll let me upgrade. One more month to wait AND had to pay shipping though. But honestly I kind of need it. My commute has a short stretch of 55mph road with stop signs and no shoulders, so that acceleration should keep people off my back until it's safer to pass me up the road. But I also have a trail on my commute so I can just pop it into class one and wind down without any jerk drivers before I get home. That's why I want an ebike instead of a motorcycle. Too bad winter's almost here.

[@firstinlastout]

​@@asleepappealcome move to Miami Florida

[@sbukosky]

I have several ebikes and have been waiting for one that is a big step ahead. Now, I'm a motorcyclist too and have never rode one that I considered too much power. Examples are the old Yamaha VMax, FZR1200 and others. I nearly bought the original Wicked, but it wasn't quite there. This has me interested.

[@bellyacres7846]

uh wow, just wow ok is there too much power? its a bit more than I want/need. But the power is there "IF" you need it! it is plenty to go on 1 motor,Buut yeah that switch on the fly is a super nice thing to get you up n over :) It will be great to see what they come up with next. your suggestion to see about adjusting the power on that front hub motor is a good one. It will be interesting to see the performance on a long grade climb (?) as far as the overheating of what just 1 hub motor did on its own. my "Guess" (& hope) is that the switch on the front motor will just negate the heat issues as they will be powering together :) & ok im a tourist and my top hill climbing speed will be under 30 going up a dirt road. really Im not a racer & powering back is fine with me (anything over 14 mph is fine)

[@jbwjr54]

Amazing! These bikes just get better and better! No way you are going to keep front tires on that beast!

[@DrRevKing]

😂 Nice presentation, Bryan, on Wired's entry into E-motorcycles. It is definitely more of a specialty "eBike" that, to Wired's credit, not only beats other competitors in its class in price and affordability, but also keeps within the current Regulations Golden Rule of pedaling (acoustic) capability. The good thing for you is that you now know you will soon be able to source 67 to 72 volt controllers and compatible hub motors for your next Gen Citizen Performance Warp Drive Kits! (Just make sure you require those Thrill-Seeking Surron-High-Risk-Taking customers to sign a Consent Form [and maybe insurance] to protect you, your family and your company from injury-based lawsuits.) Keep up the good work! 👍

[@aetheon9906]

@CitizenCycle925 If you owned a 2024+ (dual bat) Freedom/Cruiser (as you do), do you personally feel there's a compelling reason to 'upgrade' to this? The 2024+ still laughs at hills and gains speed going up them with the single motor. Has the same top speed as the Predator. The launches in this video have so much wheelspin I have a hard time believing the acceleration is any better either... but you may have the numbers, I don't! I want to be excited about this, but it looks like Wired has found the limits of performance on their current system and may need a redesign to really get to the next level. Which is a shame, because I actually love the low-key nature of the current frame. Unfortunately, slapping another motor on this bike doesn't seem to have produced any meaningful performance upgrades from my point of view, but I would love to hear from someone who's tried both. What are your thoughts?

[@CitizenCycle925]

If you have a 2024 plus Freedom or cruiser and you're happy with the power then I would not upgrade. this bike is a wild ride, it definitely has a ton more power than a freedom or cruiser, way stronger on Hills, way stronger acceleration, slightly higher top speed. I think it's the bike for someone who has a lot of spare cash and just wants the baddest bike out there in terms of power

[@aetheon9906]

​@@CitizenCycle925Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It is a badass bike, no doubt! Probably would have gone with the Predator had I not just picked up my Freedom a month or two ago. Used your code, thanks for all the great content. Helped me inform my e-bike purchasing decision greatly.

[@addertooth1]

@@CitizenCycle925 Nobody else has mentioned it. Great Job of maintaining control while you had that much front wheel spin. I know of quite a few eBike folks that would have trouble keeping the shiny side up on it under similar circumstances.

[@demetriusoatis8474]

Simply amazing! Wonder if they will produce a "cruiser" like version? Step thru.

[@rascoe1717]

I bought my 2024 Wired Freedom after watching the reviews here. I even used CC’s discount code for a few bucks off the price. I appreciate his reviews. After watching this one, my opinion is this model would be a greater benefit to those that ride in hilly areas or areas with lots of changes of elevation. Outside of a climbing advantage, and raw takeoff power, I think my 2024 Freedom is as good for typical applications.

[@graffmixer]

THIS IS 🔥...I really wished that WIRED made a 20 X4 smaller frame configuration for us city dwellers!!! But IDK still debating on this one 🙂

[@140theguy]

Yes, with a option for a 50-60 amp full frame battery. I'll take two.

[@f1dog]

Dang, that would be crazy. Imagine the wheel spin on a 20" wheel with that level of power. But love the smaller frame idea for the city!

[@VMH721]

I live in the city of New York and let me tell you I have a one bedroom apartment and my Wired Freedom fits perfectly fine so don't be afraid of buying one of these. I don't know about this Predator thing. The Wyatt Freedom by itself is fast enough for me

[@threeonamatchventura]

I’m all for it ! Just a thought. I am a 6’3” rider at 250 lbs . The 2024 Freedom can accelerate so fast I need to make sure I’m holding on and leaning forward. Lots of Torque on the 2024.

[@FreedomEbiker1002]

Pretty sick! Not 100% sure it’s worth the extra money in my opinion, I haven’t even used the potential of my 2024+ and not sure I will. This bike seems it’s for people who wanna say they have “6000w” of power but never use the full potential.

[@kevnjeanne]

Have to say that I was disappointed in your test as you never had a test with actually pedaling the the Predator. Plus no test off road with that suspension and traction both pedaling through the gears and throttle . Maybe a new video with testing it in an off-road area.

[@sgtchitt1]

yes , thank you great job. wife looks like she is doing great. so happy for you too :)

[@CitizenCycle925]

Thank you, and she is due in February, boy this time! 😁

[@tomdenny8507]

I'm glad the throttle on your Wired Cruiser works well. The throttle on my Wired Cruiser is a total P.O.S. Impossible to modulate at low levels. I wouldn't try doing a U-turn with my bike using the throttle. At mid to high throttle settings it works as expected but the bottom range is either on or off. Still, I have to say that wired sells a lot of bike for a reasonable price. Mine just doesn't have a nice throttle.

[@aetheon9906]

I agree. Love mine, but it's one of the big drawbacks of these bikes to me. As you said, the throttle feels like an on-off switch. There's a bite point it kicks in about 30 degrees into twisting... and honestly, I don't feel any ability to modulate it at all. On or off. I use my pedal assist buttons as 'gearing' and am constantly changing PAS level while I ride to compensate for this. It works fine, but a real throttle would be much nicer.

[@stxrobstar]

Amen to that

[@TunaSoda]

I don't find this to be a problem at all with my Freedom

[@tomdenny8507]

@@TunaSoda You should be glad.

[@alphonsosanchez5138]

Looks like the old version with a front wheel motor.

[@johnnightly5281]

It is but the rear controller is a 50 amp so if you were to swap to that one you’d gain a bit more power on your 2024 plus wired bike

[@kenable]

Does this one now beat the Citizen Cycle? This would be soo much fun but my ebike budget got blown out when i got a Santa Cruz Heckler a few weeks ago. Different use case for sure, i'll just have to keep enjoying the Wired Freedom instead. 🙂

[@f1dog]

Dang...this bike after shipping to California is nearly $4,000:( $275 for shipping + state taxes are no bueno.

[@97JoMiller]

not gonna lie, I wouldn't mind picking this bike up but my dualstar is frankly fast enough to scare me.

[@indogyrsimdead]

E-bikes are getting really cool

[@kurtloban3664]

Is there some sort of limiter on the bike itself? 6000W should get you to 55 easily right? Maybe needs an upgraded controller.

[@benhartland4708]

it's not how it works, if you put it on a dyno you'll see the torque spike. it's limited by gearing not power.

[@kurtloban3664]

@@benhartland4708 There is a guy on another channel that installed a new controller and battery only and got it over 55 mph, so I disagree.

[@benhartland4708]

@@kurtloban3664 ooh right right yes, his screen name is 72v freedom or something along those lines. if you put your bike on the kickstand you'll see it immediately tops out at 49.7 hence me saying it's limited by gearing. was hoping some of our physics guys would chime in.

[@mikebordeaux8218]

Nice video. Can you tell me which GPS app you are using? Thanks.

[@HowardHilmer-Tyson]

I noticed in the video that the tires seem to be dual purpose (off road/on road) by the semi-knobby tread. From what other reviewers have said in their video's on e-bikes, a softer tire with a street tread might do the trick. One of them mentioned switching to PTM tires (If I remember correctly) PTM tires are supposedly softer rubber and made for street use. The draw back is if you take your e-bike off road you don't have the knobby tread for traction in the dirt.

[@rayrussell6258]

lololol .... your "checking the life insurance" scene!! 😁 This ebike is impressively powerful, but I think the expense of replacing tires constantly would soon take away the enjoyment. Thanks for the review!

[@blipcat3382]

Hell I'm just now getting comfortable with my dual battery 2024+ Freedom's power, on the trails and dirt I occasionally fly on. The pavement rides are refreshing as well at 33-34 mph top end..........That 6000w Predator looks to be a racer's edge. Thanks for the vid, maybe put it on the big boy dirt next time and show us what it does in the boonies be safe!

[@TimB-do2vi]

Either put a motorcycle style steering damper on there or at least mount the rear battery on the front to keep the front end from getting squirrelly. Nice bike.

[@dezfitz62]

Is not USA starting to ban these (electric/fast) bikes. Over here in England we are fighting to get any sort of sensible regulations, and it's now harder to even import/buy "off" road (powerfull). Some of the main players are selling bikes with restrictions on speed and power that cannot be altered.

[@firstinlastout]

Quite possibly

[@Gary-bn9jb]

Great video once again. What app do you use on yr phone. I really like it and have been meaning to ask for quite some time. Thank you

[@CitizenCycle925]

it says GPS speedometer by Simple Design Ltd

[@jimmyjames8736]

Very cool, Citizen. I hope Wired will refine the power delivery to the front wheel. It would have been interesting to see the front tire at the end of your ride. A tire with street tread would also help pavement traction. A 2nd throttle for the front motor would probably be the safest way to run this, though. Be careful with that thing. That much loss of traction on a front wheel is dangerous. Be happy that your beautiful wife is concerned. She could easily find a replacement.

[@addertooth1]

Even my dual 1KW will spin the front wheel. With those BMX bars, your weight is shifted over the seat. If you had mountain bike bars, with your weight shifted forward, front wheel spin will be "less". But most likely not entirely gone. Might I suggest Innova Hybrid tires to enhance the street traction. This will reduce spin as well. The change to my Innova Hybrid tires helped reduce my front wheel spin.

[@1bottlefed]

Have to correct one statement, while the controllers are pulling max amperage the batteries are not outputting close to 67 volts....usually a few volts above nominal. Not trying to be argumentative just trying to correct a common misconception among E-bike owners.

[@Busdathead]

Just in time for Halloween , a new monster

[@tikitim8178]

What a bike! Love my Freedom 2024 and will add the Predator to my addition.Especially liked this part of the video at 12:24. Had me laughing so hard.Thanks for a great review.

[@Stellar001100]

Hm... I wonder what the max range this bike is when running both motors on full. I'm about to experiment with my own Wired Freedom by pulling my CYC X1 Pro from my old bike and bolting it on.

[@Ebikepowelevel5]

You got to race it against the citizen bike and the wired with your kit on it

[@SMG-lz1zq]

That is sick!

[@Randomadventurelife]

I have kenda krusade tires. They are more of a off road tread. Street tires would help with that wheel spin. The acceleration would be quite faster.

[@michaelbedard7859]

Big bang for your buck!!!!! 😊

[@sgtchitt1]

hi bryan, is there any wobble issue and does it come with the visco headset, or does it not need it. what do you think of the front forks. also is the wires secured in the frame under the seat? thanks again , AWSOME VIDEO

[@PlayingInVestapol]

Nice, I have no reason to go that fast, But I can see where that much power would come in handy. BTW, Looks like you are in North Carolina. The terrane look familiar.

[@CitizenCycle925]

yes NC :)

[@kmtnbike1117]

Nice bike but can you pedal it. I’ll still keep my FS 72V,5Kw+ mid drive, 56lb bike that if I lost all power i could still pedal it home. Time to do a custom build Citizen!!

[@postalinVT]

The one thing you didn't test that I thought of while you were riding in the residential area at 40 MPH; how are the brakes ?

[@michaelbattista1334]

They copied Ecells. They were the first dual motor dual suspension e-bike. I bought mine in 2020. Technology just moves so fast and so does that bike.

[@benhartland4708]

they evolved the dual motor ebike, 7100 watts is insane!

[@canegrimey]

nice video. What size brake rotors does it have and are the brake calipers dual or 4 piston

[@TheTcat1000]

203

[@bennickerson9581]

Put some weight over the front wheel and it will accelerate faster. How does it do offroad?

[@scotts9955]

Another great video by the legendary Citizen Cycle! I have the 24+ Cruiser; it's a blast! Plenty of power, top speed, and range. This Predator model is very nice, and I kind of wish I waited for it. But, with more power = less range. I like to go on longer rides across town. With that being said, I've tried to activate the CRUISE CONTROL. The screen display shows a 🦶 on it, but it doesn't hold the speed. What am I doing wrong? Please help lol

[@paulketchum6819]

I have the same 24 Wired Cruiser +. Make sure you’re throttling up then press the minus button simultaneously. Then your cruise control should engage. Good luck 👍🏻

[@jpc123voice]

Im impressed with the speed, but Im more focused on handling, agility and overall comfort. Also prefer a torque sensor with little to zero ghost peddling at higher speeds. Havent seen the perfect bike yet, but we're getting there.

[@haroldmiller6853]

Man if I wouldn’t have just dropped 2500 on my 2nd edition 24 cruiser I’d definitely go for this it would handle the hills here in PA like no other , don’t get me wrong I make it up the hills round my place at 22 in pedal assist 4 & 6th gear no problem

[@alphonsosanchez5138]

Does it have the death wobble? Does the rear end wobble?

[@benhartland4708]

the front motor weight ends the wobble at the expense of a heavy front nose.

[@gregb878]

Thanks for the video! Just in time, we were going to order the furious bikes but once I saw this I placed an order. We will either order a second one or we still might order one Furious. We did use your promo code. The one at the top didn't work but the code in the comments section worked. The only reason we ended up with this bike is because ECELLS could not deliver our order. We had to submit a complaint with our credit card and it took almost two months to get a permanent refund. Looks like everything worked out I think we will be really happy. If we order a second bike we will use your code again. Thanks Greg

[@CitizenCycle925]

Awesome I'm glad you found the bike for you . You should get it pretty quick they're already on the ship traveling here now

[@firstinlastout]

Yes, ecells has had nothing in stock for 2 months, and when I call and ask them when they expect their next shipment in, they literally tell me they do not know. Bankruptcy? Remember Enron?

[@maximumchargeEV]

Looks like this has as much power as my psychocycle. 40amps in the front and 50 in the rear. Same top speed too since it looks like your speedometer is 2mph too fast compared to the gps speed. I got mine to about 42mph. That front wheel is going to be a struggle to control without a separate throttle. Can you adjust the starting strength of the front wheel? Hopefully people know how to handle an ebike like this, definitely not for a beginner.

[@omnipresentvideo7686]

Are 203mm rotors even sufficient at this point? I've had some "pucker" moments from people pulling in front of me at lower speeds than that thing goes.

[@johnnightly5281]

Yes because you are stopping from the same top speed

[@benhartland4708]

@@johnnightly5281 this is correct

[@firstinlastout]

The question is, do you think those cheap Chinese tires are speed rated for 40 mph plus? Nobody seems to be asking this. It's like getting a Dodge Charger hellcat, with regular R-rated tires, when it needs ZR rated tires

[@deviceu]

Sweet green Goblin!

[@dezfitz62]

Does it have even have pedal assist ? I did not see u use it once? Or one wheel drive (front or back). Maybe it does or dosn't have anything other than insane mode?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes it has pedal assist and single wheel drive mode. I'll be showing more on that in the next video because it has a pretty cool safety feature with the pedal assist

[@JohnnySmith-z8p]

I see this bike is new to the market but what about ( shunting ) the speed controller on this model .... ? 😮 Wow . I think the power would be much more and amazing . We all want to see that . 🎉

[@CitizenCycle925]

Would not be able to shunt mod these controllers they are filled with the thermal gel

[@AdamsHadEnough]

Amazing looking bike.

[@benhartland4708]

no point in buying the ecells monstar...it's less than half the power and more expensive. Wired putting everyone to shame!

[@freightdawg6762]

Absolutely

[@f1dog]

Monstar has two 1500 watt hentach motors totaling 3000w. Predator has one 1500 watt hentach motor and a 1000 ew watt motor totaling 2500w. The monstar is more powerful. Wired is trying to market it as more powerful by using peak watts only.

[@jfly2249]

@@f1dogit’s all about the contoller, the nominal wattage of the motor is irrelevant. This bike is pulling 3500 watts in the rear and 3000 watts in the front and will absolutely destroy the Monster for less $$$. Cleveland knows about prison, mobile homes, and unethical business practices, he don’t know crap about high powered bikes😂😂😂

[@gregb878]

Don't buy the Ecells. I ordered and could not get my bikes after nearly 3 months. Then after to agreeing to give me a refund they chose not to. I had to file a dispute with my credit card. Also files 2 (one for each bike) with the FTC against Ecells.

[@benhartland4708]

@@f1dog i think a head to head with these two bikes is necessary like the one dude did using the freedom and five star. the freedom literally ran away from the five star so i can see the same thing happening here. time will tell.

[@laplantemichel709]

If you not in the middle of the street when flooring it do you get deported to one side or the other of the streets since they are inclined ?

[@artblakey4159]

straight line on good pavement that spinning front tire might be fun, but there's plenty of times it would be bad. Bike needs adjustable traction control

[@jwillwork3683]

Man I just bought A expensive watch on the Friday. If I knew this was coming I would have went all in. In Halifax Ns tho that thing would get me kiled or arrested no inbetweens 🙃. Sweet ride!

[@DriverJ-N]

Wonder how this would compare to the graffiti X 0-40 cause this looks ridiculously fast

[@charleshowe2373]

Gonna need 1

[@SphereLegal]

They just released this? And I was just about to order THe cruiser yesterday??. SHOULD I ORDER DAMN DECISON NOT THAT MUCH MORE

[@MrBigboy5290]

Can you activate the cruise control at 40mph ?

[@kdscrapping4452]

is that how they did away with the death wobble ??

[@JohnnySmith-z8p]

What is the gps top speed on this model. ?

[@michaelcharach]

🤔 watch the video

[@benhartland4708]

44, probably would go a bit higher with a tailwind since i've hit that with my 2024+ freedom

[@robertstewart3086]

I think the Predator ACTUALLY may actually break the front tire loose worse than the Monstar bike even though the front motor is only a 1000w vs 1500 on the monstar with the same 40 amp controller? I think the difference between dual1500w motors vs 1000 + 1500w might be the reason why the Predator doesn't top end quite as high as the Monstar. On the MONSTAR bike, I easily hit 45mph in around 10 seconds and clearly felt like it had more to give. I'm 6' at 185 like Bryan. Man What a Fun Bike, (both of them ). I want one ! Choices choices ....Man....But I guess that's a good thing.

[@jfly2249]

The monster will have the same top speed as it is limited by the same motor. They haven’t had it independently reviewed with a GPS and they are using 100 lbs women lying flat on the handlebars. Not to mention you can’t believe a word that comes out of the owner of e cells mouth. Plenty of direct drive bikes will go 50+mph but with a geared hub, it’s about acceleration and hill climb. The Predator will destroy the monster in any head to head competition. You won’t have long to wait as these are supposed to ship in the middle of November.

[@mjex1965]

​@@jfly2249here's the TROLL again;)

[@f1dog]

@@jfly2249 Wow, you really hate the owner of ecells, don't you? Are you the owner of Wired bikes? I like both companies and have no beef with either. The competition is great for the consumer so thanks.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yeah I'm not really sure but I would imagine the motor windings are just built differently between the two bikes allowing for higher top speed on monstar. AlsoI think ecells might still be using KT controllers which i believe may be slightly less powerful than the Lishui controllers on the wired.

[@benhartland4708]

@@f1dog it's not that he hates him, i've been bashed by ecells cronies (one commented on this thread stayconnectedEV). he is correct though, you're getting a more powerful bike at a cheaper price...since ecells can't do that they figure they'd bash Wired but a head to head with measured data will soon show what each bike is capable of.

[@freddyvicaire6777]

My cruiser arrives Tuesday I wish I waited! I texted wierd asking if those dual crown forks would be available or compatible with the new cruiser waiting for response does anyone know of any g ood dual crown forks that will work with it n be compatible for front motor kit from herenin future?

[@TunaSoda]

I would love that as well, the RST Guide forks are garbage

[@johnbmueller]

How do you go from 16 to 36mph? Is the display lagging?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes when you are pinning the throttle sometimes the speedometer lags

[@FreakyT333]

That thing is sick, surprised you can’t hit 50 but you can hear the motors are at their max rpm around 43. Prob need higher voltage or different gearing/windings to hit higher top speeds, unless the controller is governing the top speed? Honestly though, anything over 35-40 on a bicycle frame feels pretty sketchy. If I had the extra $$$ I’d order one.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes I think the motors were just topped out, they must have done the motor windings for torque instead of top speed which I'm totally fine with

[@alexbritz6672]

I never really thought of this but if you don't have enough money to pay in full can you buy a bike from wired as a down payment

[@4damula]

NO.. you can finance through affirm if you want to make payments

[@mrkeopele]

any ideas how much range that might get if it was run at 1000 watts, 2 or 3 hours maybe, but mine i run closer to 500-600 watts and get 5-6hours so hmmmm... range is my usable benefit.. cargo carrying, riding in rain, comfort, like my Ecells... I see mine go up to 2500 at peaks and i am happy for my use, but price of mine is $5000

[@Timbodacious]

It's awesome but we all know that front tire will cost $80 to replace after 500 miles of riding haha. Those poor geared hub motors won't take the abuse for long I don't think lol. i see alot of people faceplanting on that thing. I think it's useful for the cool factor and the quick starts off the line and maybe for some straight lines in sand or mud but after that its kind of like meh funs over.

[@eagle94haslanded]

Yeah... its the 2 stroke dirt bike of ebikes. Made for some rips and not real functional on a daily basis.

[@gamingnoob7391]

I agree that electric bikes should look like electric bikes, not motorcycles

[@moodyfox3108]

It would be nice if they started using a 50 amp controller on the cruiser and freedom. If the rear is the same motor and should handle it fine.

[@jfly2249]

Yes it would🤔

[@sammyjames1929]

Bryan, how does it compare to the citizen bike? Congrats on baby #2🍻

[@CitizenCycle925]

Thank you! she's due in February. Predator smokes the citizen bike and everything else in my garage. I'll probably do a demonstration video on that pretty soon