AWD Sleepers! Did You Know That This Kia and Nissan Kill in the Snow?

[@damilolaakanni]

Nissan really needs to drop CVTs from their entire lineup. Even if they've improved its reliability, they've earned a bad reputation for it. Especially for their Infiniti brand.

[@naveenthemachine]

Cvts in general are fine. It’s who makes them is the issue. In this case JATCO is nissans transmission provider If they used say Aisin, Toyota’s transmission provider then their cvts would be fine in general

[@damilolaakanni]

@@naveenthemachine that's the point. Nissan has already built a bad reputation around CVTs. It's so bad that people think all CVTs are bad. Most other CVTs would run for longer periods of time if the transmission fluid is changed at recommended intervals, which some people tend to ignore. Plus, most CVTs are not as smooth running as regular automatics (whatever that means🤷🏽) and are annoyingly noisy to most people. Those kind of people would look elsewhere for their cars anyway. People just don't understand that CVTs are not designed for performance but for fuel efficiency (at least the EVs become commonplace globally).

[@La-yt1wr]

Understand that this Altima came out a few years ago, Nissan is starting to use the 9 speed auto in their most recent products the next generation Pathfinder and Frontier.

[@damilolaakanni]

@@La-yt1wr the nine speed in the Frontier is different from the one in the Pathfinder, though. The pathfinder's nine speed is a ZF unit, the same one in the Chrysler Pacifica and Honda Pilot. The frontier's nine speed replaces an old six speed transmission, not a CVT, and it was designed in house by Jatco for rear-wheel drive application. But since the Pathfinder has received the ZF nine speed, let's hope that it would make it to their other front wheel drive models (maybe except the Rogue which has just been redesigned for 2021, and the kicks which kinda replaces the Versa Note.)

[@kirbycairo]

I would avoid any CVT, at least for the time being. I think that the bugs just haven't been worked out. Obviously Nissan has had a particularly poor record with their CVT, but I think in general I would wait. After all, it took a couple of decades before automatic transmissions really improved from their original versions. What continues to bother me about so many of these cars are the low profile tires. What a waste! Just give me a regular tire that is soft and lasts long. I'm not racing the car, I'm just driving it around.

[@DanielDaniel1]

Kia continues to stun with their design. Easily the most improved car brand over the last 2 decades.

[@MC4D.]

I personally think kia & hyundai are the reasons why toyota, honda and all other manufacturers started stepping up their game these last 5 or so years.

[@Smileydudekxy]

@PlaySomething! lmao snapped your neck, that made me laugh!

[@trent7080]

@PlaySomething! Front end is copied from the 2000-03 Mitsubishi Galant.

[@grahamrothphotography]

Honda needs to AWD the Civic and Accord turbo

[@dommm111]

I really prefer sedans over crossovers. That Nissan looks really cool

[@TheShootersBay]

I also prefer sedans I actually own a 2020 Nissan Altima SL AWD. But I'm starting to get up in years so getting out of the Altima is becoming a task. My next will probably be the Rouge or pathfinder.

[@naveenthemachine]

I prefer sedans too. When I was car shopping it came down to spending 40K on either a top end rav4 or top end Camry v6. I ended up choosing the Camry instead. I feel more stable in it than a rav4

[@kpopkpop5235]

Drivers fear for safety as years-long recall fails to catch some engine failures watch?v=2iaMHhWkSNw everyone should watch this CBC documentary.

[@issavibez394]

But unreliable junk

[@issavibez394]

Sedans are just to low especially when tall i love suv

[@vr4042]

Because, as I get older, I find modern sedans are have roof lines that are too low and it sucks to get in and out of. High roof lined crossovers are great.

[@Malc664]

Exactly mate. I'm with you on that. I struggle a bit getting in and out of sedans as I'm used to my pick-up 4WD.

[@Kirin2022]

I find that is true for the Camry, Accord, and Sonata, but recently discovered to my surprise and delight that the current Altima has a higher roof line than its chief competitors. I don't have to bend and turn my head to get into the driver's seat like I do in the others.

[@edsgarage001]

1:39 "What you're looking at here is a 182 horsepower 2.5 liter 4 cylinder engine that makes 178 horsepower" Uhh what? Lol 😅

[@MC4D.]

Exactly lol

[@factsmatter6980]

and the KIA make 180HP thats with turbo. XD

[@fritty9927]

One of your best reviews. I miss station wagons. Unlike SUV’s they had all the utility but retained most the characteristics of a car; especially some of the European builders.

[@kpopkpop5235]

Drivers fear for safety as years-long recall fails to catch some engine failures watch?v=2iaMHhWkSNw everyone should watch this CBC documentary.

[@jmichaelpruitt]

SAVE THE CARS!!!! Nice analysis, Nathan.

[@tankmoham6772]

I’ll take sedans all day long

[@issavibez394]

Crossover hold value

[@maxey05]

I recently had that Nissan as a rental car. Just not the AWD.. but it was zippy and got great gas mileage. CVT is a little different to get used to. Fake shifting.

[@TinoMiller]

Yeah their really good .. Don't understand why people would want an Accord or Camry over one .. Despite the CVT

[@TheShootersBay]

@@TinoMiller I own a 2020 SL it's great on gas and drives nice the AWD is great in snow!

[@Icutmetal]

It sure is; I’ve been driving a Forester as a company car for the last 70k miles, and the fake-shift CVT is not bad under very tame driving, but is very jerky & unresponsive under even semi-aggressive driving.

[@soul2deep578]

Same! I had a Nissan Altima as a rental and I felt the same about it be zippy and got great gas mileage. Also so much fun to drive. I don’t want to return it 😆

[@7g6_66]

Atleast I’ve seen a bunch of the Altima’s with over 200k even with 300k. Still haven’t seen a Kia with 200k that isn’t super okd

[@maga7297]

i hadn't seen hondas that is even over 200-500k. More kia does better.

[@trent7080]

A lot of 2011-19 KIAs had their engines replaced due to fire concerns, so the mileage is probably lower than precieved.

[@maga7297]

@@trent7080 2000-2021 nissans have a lot of their cvts being replace that goes over 30-50k miles on it. I hope you don't deflect this fact kid.

[@roguedogx]

8:56 The answer I've gotten for people's preferences on this is pretty interesting. it's basically just the tall driving position, that's it. the average customer doesn't seem to care about capability or space (unless they have kids), but they just want something easy to get in and out of with good height visibility on the road. nope, I don't get that either.

[@watchreport]

That is pretty much me. I don't care for being lower to the ground and since my first SUV OR CUV, I will not go back to cars. I am a bigger guy and love the extra room and height in the SUV. The ground clearance is nice as well, as we live in the Northeast, and it can get pretty snowy, and sometimes the ground clearance is necessary to plow through the snowed-in driveways or parking lots.

[@Julian-do7bv]

Have a 2015 Chrysler 300S AWD and I love it and it goes great in the snow

[@levicharles996]

Bought a used 2018 Stinger GT AWD for $27,000. It’s amazing what depreciation can save you!!!

[@johnfrantz5885]

How many miles? That’s a really good deal.

[@levicharles996]

@@johnfrantz5885 it had 35,000 miles. Not the lowest but the Stinger was flawless and was a lease turn in so the dealership did all the maintenance on it 👍

[@johnfrantz5885]

@@levicharles996 that’s a really good deal, I couldn’t find any stinger gt’s with that mileage for under 30k. Great find!

[@levicharles996]

@@johnfrantz5885 thanks man. Good luck on your endeavors finding one for yourself. The car is awesome and still turns heads when people try to figure out what the hell is it (FYI it’s been rebadged that’s why). Haha

[@ascendantrobin3230]

I checked out the new altima recently and it is absolutely GORGEOUS, the interior is something youd expect from a Volvo or BMW! Im ready to trade in my Rogue for one!

[@nickallen3087]

It’d be awesome to see a roller test on the k5 and the Nissan Altima and they’re both new to the awd sedans

[@WW-wf8tu]

Good review.

[@unacknowledged3537]

I live in the UK, but damn, you've actually convinced me to import a Nissan Altima Platinum into the UK, amazing review.

[@juketurbo321]

2012 Nissan juke .Modified engine ,brakes , suspension. Eight years 100 k miles Absolutely NO issues ,EVER.

[@wblchzhd]

My wife's Mini Clubman All4 is amazing in the snow, as long as it doesn't get too deep. No ground clearance.

[@hermanperez4078]

So how are they in the snow?

[@Dia1Up]

I live in BC.... I've never been stuck in my Honda Fit due to "low ground clearance".

[@ABCD-eg5ky]

I've got a 2019 altima sl awd. It took me awhile to recognize the rubber band feel of the cvt. And yeah it bugs me a bit. But I find myself hyper mileaging with it getting 34+ mpg. Also the oil change interval on the altima is 10000 miles or 1 year which is amazing. Full 0/25 synthetic. The kia is 5000 miles or 1 year because of the turbo which destroys oil. I'd rather have the 2.5 natural aspiration with a traditional 8 speed tranny.

[@JDMFR3AK]

I would change any full synthetic oil every 5,000 miles. I wouldn’t go 10,000 on any car. 7,000 is already pushing it!

[@ABCD-eg5ky]

@@JDMFR3AK well manufacture oci is 10k/1 year. Been working from home so I'm only doing 3500 miles per year now anyway. Oil looks perfectly fine after a full year even though it's not even close to the max oci miles. I did kill my original battery from not driving it enough or putting it on a trickle charger which I should have done.

[@JDMFR3AK]

@@ABCD-eg5ky oil today is great, but its from what I seen as a tech. If the car is just sitting, best change the oil once a year. I just advise to change the oil every 5,000 miles cause oil is cheap and engines are expensive 😃.

[@nuk3fishydude902]

Nissan!

[@TheRandyWat]

This review was made for me lol. I don't get the crossover crazed. But I know I'm the minority.

[@ruimachado8560]

A: ground clearance

[@ATRichard]

I’d throw in AWD availability to this answer as to why people pick SUVs over cars too. The K5 and Altima are rare examples of mainstream sedans that offer AWD as an option.

[@nukedogger86]

Over the years I've driven sedans and crossovers. Had both a '12 Escape and a '16 Escape. Nothing overtly wrong, but after driving another sedan for a bit I realized it was far more comfortable than the Escape, and got my '19 Fusion. Great car with some obvious cheapouts, but awd. Even with the then updated ecoboost, a slight mpg increase, way more comfortable drive position and ride. Fast forward to this month, enter my '22 K5 GT-Line AWD... leaps and bounds nicer inside. Way more features, even more comfortable drive position, ride i would say is close (a '22 Camry SE was noticeably stiffer) and for normal driving feels every bit as peppy as the 2.0 turbo Fusion even being down on power. Even better, my first tank of go juice I seen a 4 mpg increase over what I could before. I'd also add that the K5 feels sportier too, especially with sport steering enabled in the drive mode.

[@DarieonLong1]

K5 for me 👍🏽

[@rezyn0]

Why are the kia daytime running lights yellow? Yellow is for parking lights.

[@ATRichard]

For style and visibility. Back in the 2000s, GM had a lot of amber running lights on their cars too I remember, like their minivans.

[@cathyl3526]

Not sure I've you'll see this on a year old video, but these two are on my short list. I drove the Altima yesterday and planning to drive the k5 later in the week. I'm trading a 2011 Rogue that I bought new and enjoyed. I'm wondering if I'll regret giving up the height of the Rogue. For reference, I live in Buffalo and I'm about 5'2".

[@tahsin28]

lol crossovers are station wagon with awd and ground clearance!? They are tall fwd hatches with no ground clearance or snowing/dirting capabilities, they sit higher than hatches due to slightly bigger wheels. And of course they are better looking than boxes. I've nvr seen a presenter so in love with boxes.

[@AhmedLamki90]

So which one of them is the best?

[@colinfluegel]

We had the Altima (2019) and loved it UNTIL that CVT was toast at under 60k miles. They wouldn’t warranty it. Traded into a couple crossovers and really missed having a sporty sedan. Just picked up the 2024 K5 GT Line AWD and LOVE it. Warranty of Kia smokes the Nissan warranty!

[@omarcarnegie7614]

Which one is more comfortable on the Highway?

[@laloajuria4678]

crossover is for (slightly) more space, ground clearance....but its mainly driving position. ppl prefer to sit higher.

[@dfwvtxman]

You addressed how they both compared to the Camry. But what about the new Accord?

[@NathanDAdlen]

No AWD Accord to compare them to

[@miserumd1353]

The GT line does not come with a 2.5. The 2.5 is the 290 HP GT trims motor.

[@jg1693]

Either one of these in a wagon AWD version would be awesome... if only other Americans would think the same and actually buy wagons. Either of these two in AWD wagon config would be WAYYYYY cooler than any SUV in a similar price range.

[@rossbowman202]

We need to save the hatchback. I personally don't care for sedans. Enjoyed the review as always Nathan. I look forward to seeing you offroading again soon.

[@loitersquadX]

Vw

[@rossbowman202]

@@loitersquadX I own a Golf.

[@psewgobind]

Sedans were popular because Americans wanted trunks and us poor Canadians didn't have a say, since there's not enough of us. Now that Americans have moved on to CUV/SUV and manufacturers are slow to react. The proper thing to do is make them all Hatchbacks and raise the ground clearance since no-ones taking them to the racetrack. However, for the compact Sedan/Coupe lightweight and racing intention makes sense.

[@Coronet_1969_]

Good stuff Nathan but many mechanics will disagree with you on Kia quality from what I've heard and Nissan remains married to the dreaded CVT which is pure crap.

[@Bucketheadland1]

Good tune choice in the Nissan lol 👊💪

[@Marlon_J]

I would never tune a car with a cvt transmission. Especially one with a Nissan cvt. Newer Honda are still some of best cars to tune.

[@Bucketheadland1]

@@Marlon_J lol The music

[@naveenthemachine]

@@Marlon_J I think Toyota also makes good cvts in some of their cars too

[@Marlon_J]

@@naveenthemachine yes they do. Their's are bulletproof. But like Honda, they also have conventional transmission in some their cars, especially the more powerful ones, as cvt was not meant for very powerful cars, being a belt driven transmission.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@Marlon_J yeah. Toyotas larger or more expensive models don’t offer cvts. Like the rav4 and Camry for instance

[@Malc664]

Could you do a battle of the sedans, even in all categories (SUV, Pickups, Crossovers)? Or at least voice your opinion about which car you think is best and why. I want to know if the Honda Accord is best for example.

[@NissanAltimaGuy]

No Awd but I do love my vc-turbo edition one

[@sean2.050]

Could you do a AWD test of each of these vehicles?

[@Ruva226]

A 3 series awd gets way better mpg with way more power

[@sergiof9738]

If you're not on a budget because it's $10k more at base

[@naveenthemachine]

CVTs in general are fine. It’s who makes them is the problem. I generally trust Honda and Toyota cvts

[@ugoe5268]

The current reliability ratings show that Nissans (altima and Rogue) are actually higher than the Toyota equivalent

[@naveenthemachine]

@@ugoe5268 I think the cvt in the chr could be the culprit? Because other than the recall for their new cvt, I haven’t heard about issues with Toyota’s cvt they put in the Corolla in 2014

[@trent7080]

@@naveenthemachine 2020 Corolla Hatchbacks had to be recalled for CVT issues and I know 2013-15 Corollas had a service bulletin for the CVT. 2013-15 Accords and some Civics also had to have their CVTs reprogrammed to prevent failures.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@trent7080 I know the 2019 Corolla hatchback cvt was recalled. The 2020s I thought they already fixed it

[@tankmoham6772]

That k5 looks like a grownup version of Mitsubishi Galant from the early 2000s

[@bikingD]

K5 looks great. I think it looks like a baby Dodge Charger.

[@joxer]

Gee, if only there were some sort of vehicle that combined the utiity of a crossover with the handling of a sedan... crickets ;-) I think you hit on the only reason other than the lemming reason for buying a crossover, ingress/egress. My 82 year old parents have an Outback for this reason. I was able to pack as much into my old AWD wagon as virtually any crossover AND I was able to easily reach the Thule box and bike racks. With less stuff as my kid is an adult I downsized to an AWD Golf R (we were still able to pack all her stuff in during a move back from a work term over 500km away in a single trip with the Thule).

[@PrincessTS01]

i still do love my 06 altima has 173000miles now i bought it new jan 2006 for $19,010

[@danielmartin583]

I hate sedans, but dang, that K5 looks nice!

[@ramoncarter6585]

Both are some nice cars, love Kia as much as Nissan. I am happy Nissan is starting to build better cars the lineup is impressive. CVT isn't bad but think all cars shouldn't have CVTs like (Maxima and Murano). Only Nissan's should have them are (Versa, Sentra, Rogue as few Altima trims), even ALTIMA SR should have 9 speed auto. I can't wait for the Pathfinder and Frontier come out. Nissan is getting up there with Kia hope they won't kill the Maxima next generation should be even better with a (9 speed auto and RWD).

[@TinoMiller]

They will not kill their longest running plate and the only full size family sedan running against the Avalon .. Yeah it's been out close to the Z car ..

[@piemakoba7707]

@@TinoMiller unfortunately they did replace The Maxima to an EV coming already in the 2022. The last generation maxima 21.

[@easycomeeasygo8901]

Still no reason then to get rid of a 2014 tl awd 6spd then. At 13.9 NA v6

[@dcar7446]

Yeah I'm considering the new kia stinger gt or gt line in awd if not I'll go with a jeep gladiator although I don't need a pickup truck I prefer it over a crossover or suv

[@devincruz7011]

Kia looks cool just never bothered don’t know why maybe one day

[@russogc48]

The right choice is kia. Nissan just rent or lease.

[@TheSlugger76]

Forgot the Subaru

[@Ahto42]

Yeah, But a lawnmower and a trimmer together one of these?

[@tdrew337]

How reliable is the Nissan now a days?

[@Quantarius]

Like both...

[@GianlucaDalSanto]

I'm Italian and I like more the Kia over the Nissan. Here Kia is selling a lot and Nissan doesn't sell cars, only city cars and crossovers.

[@christopherhuynh6889]

I’ll take the Camry or Accord over these 2!! But if I had to choose between these 2 ... I’ll take the Kia Optima (K5) 😁

[@Bacon-Moo]

Bought a 2021 Crosstrek with the 2.5L/CVT and it's the most boring thing to drive with below-average MPG... looking at K5

[@issavibez394]

The only thing korean auto makers lack is reliability and quality of material

[@familyherochannel2288]

Love you Nathan

[@IKnewMickey]

So you're saying these are the Ted Bundy of cars?

[@kyron2092]

K5 is a no brainer

[@joetool4016]

I REALLY prefer wagons over sedans and crossovers

[@regsparkes6507]

I have always been a fan of Nissan Altima,..but two things,, I need 'utility i.e. cargo space, and I need some towing capacity, minimum 2000 pounds worth. Now as for the KIA, I drive my friend's Forte and really like the pep, the ride but I do not like the seats, they're low to the floor ( somewhat like the Tacoma ) . I guess I have to stay with an SUV, even though I miss and would like to own one of these sedans. Dammit!

[@samaanalkhaldi2364]

I wish Nissan make a wagon version of the new Altima with a powertrain 2.0L VC-Turbo engine paired with the new Nissan's 9-speed AT and AWD. 🤲🙏 Both the K5 and Altima are very nice 😍 Regards.

[@Carlove-123]

Personally, I Like both K5 altima. However, Nissan withdrew from Korea, so we need to take the new altima by direct import, but both K5 altima are good.

[@issavibez394]

K5 better

[@Lon1001]

Personally never buying a sedan again. If you are a multi-car household then a sedan might make an ok choice for one of them.

[@BYLRPhil]

I will likely never buy a sedan, I would rather have a wagon/hatchback.

[@issavibez394]

Suv hold their value alot more i think

[@Aaron-or6ov]

I was a Kia tech. Retired now. They are nowhere near a reliable car.

[@naveenthemachine]

I’m sure they and Hyundai have improved over the years. Why do you think even the latest Kia Hyundai Genesis models are junk?

[@Aaron-or6ov]

@@naveenthemachine cause I have worked On Them up till December and I see brand new cars off the lot have major issues. They are better than before. But still unreliable.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@Aaron-or6ov that’s unfortunate, especially for a brand that most reviewers are most impressed by for their improvements Out of curiosity what new Hyundai Genesis Kia models did you have to work on? What issues came through?

[@trent7080]

@@Aaron-or6ov is it true that the IVT transmissions are failing?

[@AshleyJohnson-sh1kr]

What car do you suggest?

[@MandusahRamirez]

If Nissan don’t put the 9speed auto in this car!

[@JeepCherokeeful]

I asked the wife why not. APPEARANCE, she said.

[@1coolvideo]

You need a new Rush shirt.

[@shawnhergett2316]

I'll take kia I'm not a fan of CVTs

[@charletfoster8917]

👍🏿 review

[@Helltima0000]

Both nice cars ! I chose the Altima 😎

[@xanth987]

Why did I buy a crossover? That was an easy answer. I got tired of my hips hurting every time I had to climb into or out of my Versa. I had to lever myself up and out or hunch over and drop in and curl my legs in. I had the seat all the way back on its tracks and still a wee not enough back to comfortably deal with. Just a 25 min trip cross town was enough for my hips to hurt. So get a crossover or truck or off to see a doctor hmm well easy answer. Within a month of sliding in and out - no more hip pain. Anecdotal? Yes but it solved the issue. Will I stick with Nissan or go to another brand? Most likely I will be heading to a new brand unless that new frontier fits me. Most likely I will be running to either Mazda or Jeep or if I won the lotto I’d head to Volvo. I like a quirky car like the xc40 or the v60 cross country

[@Griffith861]

I’m sorry but the k5 is better than the accord or Camry Toyota and Nissan need to take notes 📝

[@Tully3674]

Kia (and Hyundai) are the Toyotas of the 1980s-1990s: They have become reliable, stylish, contemporary, and are of great value (just like Toyota was once). Toyotas are still reliable - just not stylish,, contemporary, or the value they once were.

[@maga7297]

facts

[@ExTrumpet]

I have absolutely no idea how Nissan is able to sell a single vehicle with their CVT.

[@TinoMiller]

Simple .. Give people knowledge on their cars and customer emotional factors ...

[@insider4life1]

Nathan!

[@smithjones1906]

"The crossover is basically a large station wagon with decent ground clearance and a lot of you guys don't need it." Well, a lot of us *do* need it, and I'd hardly call the Seltos, Kona, Trailblazer, etc., a "large station wagon". I feel like this is another one of those videos based mostly on emotional appeal, just like the save the manual evangelists. I like manuals, but I like rotary telephones too. Obsolete tech is neat. Sure don't want to live with it every day though. Personally I have no interest in an AWD vehicle if it doesn't have acceptable ground clearance accompanying it. Theres not a single thing I need AWD for that I don't *also* need extra ground clearance for. Excluding sports cars.

[@bikingD]

K5 looks great. Looks like a baby Dodge Charger. As for a car vs a SUV they handle better than, brake better, get better millage, typically safer, are cheaper than the the equal class of SUV. Look better vs a SUV. Both have room for passengers. No reason to drive a toaster oven when you can drive something like this. GM, Ford and Chrysler made a huge long term business mistake by just betting on SUV's not all customers want them and like history has shown with wagons then minivan's things go out of fashion. Could you imagine in the 90's if all car companies said oh minivans are popular lets just make minivans. You would think auto companies have lost their mind. If you need a little extra space the perfect combo truly would be a wagon. SUV just says you have just given up.

[@miguelircontar]

People who hate on Nissan prob can’t even afford one

[@TinoMiller]

Same thing I said too

[@dashingdashing2045]

Lmfao your right ✅

[@Oaky]

Nissan ? Thats what the maid drives

[@TinoMiller]

And you drive a Fix Or Repair Daily my friend ... Sorry, I meant the bus ...

[@trent7080]

@@TinoMiller he's referring to meme/joke, not serious.

[@SOBIsHobbies]

Buying a Nissan same as signing a contract with repair shop for duration of your ownership.

[@TinoMiller]

Don't beat down on your car and change the CVT fluid at 30,000 miles then you wouldn't have to go to the repair shop with CVT issues .. But that's all CVT's right ?? So why single out Nissan ?? Toyota, Honda, and Subaru all have the same problems ..

[@Raceblox21]

New videos :)

[@jcatalan1496]

Kia K5 wait for me 6 months

[@B8_ghostt]

Me buying 2 new cars instead of a SUV and I live in Canadá with a lot of snow 😓😓😓😓

[@combatveteranusnavy2012]

$5,000 more for a better ride, I don't think so!!!!

[@Began2011]

That kia looks good inside

[@TribeChiefGaming]

I think the new intro sound of TFL sucks!

[@Heat3955]

Get a q50

[@Natethegreat200c]

Fusion and Chrysler had awd since 2007. Yawn. None of these are luxury cars being the Chrysler 200, Ford Fusion and Mazda 6 offer real wood and real leather. Luxury is more then just looks guys. You’ve Been reviewing cars for much too long for that.

[@freerider604]

K5 pls! Alice in Chains 🤘😎🤘 - Excellent review Nathan! Ps.. is there really that much more cargo space in a Crossover vs Sedan?