AWE 22 - Leia Lightfield Displays - 3D without glasses

[@mixedrealityTV]

What do you think of the tech?

[@stanleystriker7065]

Can you use this for mapping technology editing? Like LiDAR and Stereo Remote Sensing? Working with software like ESRI's ArcPro or BAE's SocketSet GXP?

[@catnip4life343]

Fucking awesome m8

[@S1RD2]

even just watching this on my 2d monitor, I can still sense the 3d effect, I would love for this to become mass adopted

[@DMan-ud6bt]

So THIS is FINALLY the potential glasses-free replacement for the Nvidia 3D Vision 2 experience! I'm really looking forward to this, of course with a larger monitor.

[@spry_guy]

Most of us know that you have to try VR to understand it. Most people think it's just a screen on your face. If this tech gets into consumer devices, it has to potential to help show the masses what VR is like.

[@x32i77]

That's my favorite product of the show

[@TonyDrecaps]

This tech is amazing! I'm glad to hear you thought it was great also. This is the product I'm looking forward to most. There's a 27 inch monitor listed on the website. Games and movies!! The camera chat feature is really interesting as well. That would be nice for keeping in touch with family. I would buy it for mine who live really far.

[@bluemamba5317]

Are you the guy in the video? lol

[@TonyDrecaps]

@@bluemamba5317 I should be right . I'm just excited for it. 3DS tech but better

[@vrnima9100]

@@bluemamba5317 Actually I'm the guy in the video LOL

[@bluemamba5317]

@@vrnima9100 I think you should hire this Tony guy. He seems so exited you probably don't even have to pay him :()

[@vrnima9100]

@@bluemamba5317 LOL well we're always hiring, check out our career page Tony! And we do pay well ;)

[@AR-ke8wg]

First chance to get a monitor with this tech I'm buying. Been using Nvidia 3dnvision display since 2011 and this would be an epic step up. Thanks for the video.

[@madweedz15]

I still have my passive LG 3D tv can’t wait for this to hit the market!

[@wbs1O1]

Love the Hydrogen One and Lume Pad. You can convert any video to holographic with the press of a button and convert 3D Blu rays or any other SBD video. I can also convert KZbin, social media, and twitch videos in seconds by copying the link and don't even need to download them. Can't wait for a larger screen. Day one purchase.

[@MrBLADE71]

Any idea on the retail price?

[@channelvr1293]

Normally you talk a lot 😄 but here this tech was so good you where speechless 🙊

[@thatlamborghiniguy5826]

Even on a 2d video, you can tell that it's 3d, that really is interesting.

[@blizado3675]

Interesting, Leia plans also with a 27" 4K monitor in Q4 2022 with this technique. But I'm sure it will be not cheap. I would really love it to have again a 3D monitor (had a LG one 10 years ago with passive glasses like in the cinema), not only to watch my 3D movies on it.

[@Datenschutz_Datenschutz]

Das ist beeindruckend. Sowas für OLED Screens würde ich mir vermutlich direkt zulegen.

[@stagrov8086]

the next dimension podcast in 3D...

[@Gabdimension]

This is what we need for gaming! Not those stupid fat vr headsets on faces. WE WANT THIS NOW!

[@glenrisk5234]

Lightfield tech is awesome. There's a company that plans to have both AR glasses and a VR headset based on this tech later this year. The AR is supposed to have 60 degrees FOV and the VR I think was around 110?

[@TonyDrecaps]

Which company?

[@janneliiti8898]

Loving the idea of bringing new 3D tech on the Market. i see Only one problem with this for my personal usage, it doesnt come in 120” Size under 10k

[@xressentials]

Cool bro!

[@StarmanSkywalker]

Post-conversion on any video you feed this display would the incredible. Perhaps A.I. "depth assessment" technology develops to this point sooner than we think.

[@virtuallyreal]

Wow ok, so my comment in your other video is basically already a thing, that's insane!!

[@635574]

Imo if they want to go mainstream they should push for a major highend brand adoption like apple.

[@Flotzelberti]

This is going to be in Nintendo‘s Switch 2 Console. 🤩

[@TheSkyHive]

This is exciting technology!

[@ReginaldStaples]

How did the 3D compare to 3D Vision/VR for example?

[@milannesic5718]

Can those auto 3d displays go into VR headsets? Without the need for two lenses and two displays.

[@HypoceeYT]

No, you still need a powerful lens (or equivalent waveguide) to focus on pixels so close to your eyes.

[@milannesic5718]

@@HypoceeYT I meant only one large lens, not two.

[@jareds8729]

i have the lume pad, its cool for 3d movies. does this display have the same odd warping effect around popouts? i thought i could see it in the 1st clip around 1:10

[@blizado3675]

I guess this effect gets smaller the higher the resolution of the display is. But maybe it scales again with the display size.

[@jareds8729]

makes sense, i noticed the same effect on vids of the 10.1" proma-king tablet which is lenticular same as my 6" rokit io pro which doesn't seem to have any warping at all. rokit is usually my go to device for glasses free 3d since its the only 1 that has clean popouts

[@ReginaldStaples]

I am guessing tablets aren't avail yet. There was a "Lume Pad Tablet - 3D Tablet" which I am assuming is Leia?? I actually need some tablets for a project but can't find any? :(

[@realmakebelieve]

What was the Amazon product, that he said did a similar thing ? Loom Pad? 6:09

[@videoviewer2008]

Lume Pad - $300 USD on Amazon

[@0LoneTech]

I'm watching this on a Lume Pad, as it happens. It's quite cool; it has the switched 2d/3d capability demonstrated here, as well as the software for multiview content (stereo or 4 view), and can do it in either portrait or landscape. Also has dual lenses to take stereoscopic photos. I haven't seen software to do the head tracking on it, and after some time mine has started to show degradation in the backlight evenness around the edges in 3D mode. The head tracking demonstrated here also isn't something I've seen in the lume pad, although it does have hardware meant for it. The 3D mode is achieved without flickering by having pixels shine their light in different directions. This means there are fewer pixels available for any given position of eye to see, and is similar to the Looking Glass, albeit fewer views (4x1 shown on 4x4 compared to 32x1 or 45x1). So the 2560x1600 display drops to effective (2..4)x640x400. It's interesting to see the anti-crosstalk mode on this tracked display. This showed up in the camera as dark bands, as the camera wasn't quite in one of the tracked eye positions. It's essentially spatial black frame insertion; pick the angles between eyes and remove image from there. Without the tracking, large differences between views are rather noticeable as you move your eyes from one region to another, and that's why Looking Glass uses so many views. Pardon the rambling. I like this stuff.

[@TonyDrecaps]

@@0LoneTech I like reading about the tech behind it! Would this monitor lose that much resolution? I hope not. This is tracking your eyes so I would assume its able to follow you to broadcast the full resolution

[@0LoneTech]

@@TonyDrecaps Not quite the full resolution; it's probably also running at about quarter resolution horizontally, which will look closer to half because of stereoscopic vision. They may not need the vertical part if they're designing for fixed orientations (landscape screen, upright head - you'd lose the 3d effect if you tilt your head to the side). This compromise is the reason these light field systems use as high resolution displays as they can get, and the larger formats have far more pixels to play with (often a similar density). One other thing to be aware of is that the resolution split may not be in entire pixels. The Looking Glass absolutely exploits that subpixels are distributed, effectively tripling the horizontal resolution before dividing it into ray angles. That's why they don't put the lenslet array in a vertical orientation but at a slant (which the dark banding here resembled), so you don't get particular positions where you see a particular colour.

[@jdastro]

Let's see how much the larger one costs... Fantastic tech.

[@ashiga8023]

what’s the cost? will we see it in smartphones?

[@azramirez7674]

I hope 3D TVs make a comeback….

[@pixelstrikegames6380]

Awesome

[@Dallas-eu5nz]

can you play any game with this? or must the game be developed from the ground up for it?

[@blizado3675]

I'm sure you need at least a 3D Stereo picture like on 3D movies. 10 years ago I was self more active on that, but today I can't say if it would work with any game. I know Reshade can create with a filter a 3D Stereo image, but how good this works, no clue. But I guess because less games fake 3D it should work better with actual games. Still need to test this in VR, if it works there then also on this 3D monitor.

[@tasmania9576]

Love it😆

[@ali09gaming58]

Future maybe vr to your whole surrounding without a headset. Amazing but dont know what technology will allow this.

[@gorkadelgadomarraco2575]

Autosteroscopic 3d its coming late ...but its welcome,cause since 2010 the 3d tvs are obsolete.when we recieve this tecnology,the panels Will be un 8k(to percieve 4k)and we can have and aquarium 3d in our saloon.they are waiting to standard 8k to Made auto3d tvs

[@Ad3tr]

I want lightfield images and videos inside VR, using the fact that the head is tracked by the headset for generating views. Basically I want to put a lightfield image inside a picture frame in VR and then have the view shift as I move my head. I have a unity VR demo that does something similar that I got from a dev. This has as much a future as a format as it does as a hardware tech.

[@ashiga8023]

only for a single user?

[@jdastro]

Can I hook up a Fuji W3 camera to it?

[@nimazeighami1909]

Yup 😃

[@extectic]

It's kind of sad that 3D movies are already dead (again). Even if we get good 3D tech that's fully convenient to use I doubt studios will fire up the 3D creation machines in a while. Watching some 3D movies just on my Pico Neo these past few days has been a lot of fun.

[@TonyDrecaps]

3D movies are still being released at home and in theaters so it's not dead. We just need better tech like this

[@HypoceeYT]

I'm a little hopeful that with the increase in power and production efficiency of engines and GPUs, but especially Unreal, we might see *worthwhile* 3D movies for the first time. So far there's exactly one example, the Matrix Awakens Unreal demo. The first 10-20 minutes of it are just *stunning*. The questions are 1. whether it cost significantly less per minute than a movie to produce. 2. how the much tinier audience with the compute to run it affects things. I can imagine VR theaters being a thing though? $2-3K a seat to set up, I don't know how that scales next to a traditional theater. Also this could be the real calling of something like Stadia, with users renting GPUs in datacenter racks and the local compute just doing motion compensation on the frames to prevent sickness...

[@jdastro]

I'm still buying uo 3D movies I haven't seen, and rewatching some in 3D that I saw in 2D. Got a new 3D projector, 120" image on the wall, normal lighting in the seating area.

[@extectic]

@@jdastro Yep, I'm lacking other 3D options than my headset(s), but I think you'll find that the crop of new movies coming out won't even be available as 3D. The flood has begun to slow to a trickle, and TV's that sell now have stopped with 3D and gone over to shouting about 4K resolution or better. It's a shame, I feel 3D does add something to some movies.

[@edwardlutz9978]

I bought the lume pad and it can convert 2d to 3d not perfect but decent. The leiatube works pretty good youtube 2d to 3d conversion.

[@KinkyJalepeno]

You could have one of those screens as a table top and do D&D type stuff - would be amaaaaaaaaaazing !

[@TonyDrecaps]

Yes!

[@HypoceeYT]

Mm, sort of. You could have a really sexy battlemap for one person, but a display that's good for one person isn't really meaningful to D&D. Just like a regular TV it can only show one image to everyone at once. In addition, the main reason this looks so impressive in this video is its face tracking feeding the game camera correct view angles. That can only work for one person at once, everybody else gets a deeply screwed up distortorama.

[@TonyDrecaps]

@@HypoceeYT maybe he was figuring a couple monitors, for Co op play

[@Chris_T_S]

@@HypoceeYT The tech is still very early days (thinking of all present tech, compared to their demo versions), one day, they may well sort out full 360 degree viewing (even for multiple viewers) This demo has me excited for what may come in the future (maybe far future, maybe sooner)

[@KinkyJalepeno]

@@HypoceeYT The image ttracks head movement - that means people can sit around the tabletop screen and each see the image in 3D - I didnt mean actual D&D, more like a top down team / turn based dungeon crawler :)

[@CannonBallEddie]

I'm going to wait for 3d virtual reality without a headset....

[@SuperXzm]

it's like 3DS but BIGGER

[@blizado3675]

With more angles, yes.

[@OrniasDMF]

The camera would pick up the 3D effect a lot more clearly if the image wasn't moving.

[@ineffige]

Imagine playing Total War on this display O_o

[@kekelinks]

I've got to experienced the same feeling when using my Nintendo 3DS XL, the 3D eye tracking is not that advanced but still works too ! I think devices like that are the future for playing games.

[@diyer1190]

but 3DS is long long time ago...

[@ThorntonArtStudio]

Dear OEM's, put this into a product so I can buy it. I'd prefer a tablet with pen support, but if not then a gaming monitor will do.

[@peterchiu7046]

Sebastian. Looks like you will be looking for a new job!

[@Dayanto]

This is not a light field. It is just stereographic like in VR or the old 3DS. Each eye is still just seeing a flat 2D image. It's just updating the image based on where you move your head.

[@stagrov8086]

bought

[@1.4142]

A bit hard to advertise without showing it in person

[@niloytesla]

this is not 'Lightfield Displays' what i can see is,, it is a normal LCD or OLED display that is tracking you with those cameras on top and then showing the image from your perspective...

[@neosupperolddesigner]

This is orginally BAM (better arcade mode) Pinball fans know that and made that 10+ years! Using ps3 cams!

[@seanmoriarty2]

man, the light bleed on that panel is pretty bad.

[@gibsonguitar766]

Is that a Kinect for Azure above there? Eye&body tracking and then stream two lights into your eyes from filter, your brain brings the together as 3D. I can guess it does not support two people experiences, yet. LMK if I am wrong. BTW, the demo is not as immersive as Volumetric video and game, I like Tilt5 more. This one is a good compete to Google immersive meeting demo though.

[@duked19]

Really, really cool! But based on testing some nVidia 3D-glasses many years ago (~10?), when watching 3D-games on a monitor, everything looks so small. As the 3D-effect makes in-game objects look real, but the size of them is only the physical space used on the screen, the cars in racing games looked like toys. Guess it will be the same with this one. When you play games in 2D, you don't think of the game objects/avatars as small, for some reason. Probably because they don't feel as real as when in 3D.

[@Jamic9]

As someone who played a lot of games which incorporated NVidia’s 3d Vision, I can say this is completely incorrect. I played the television version called NVidia 3D TV Play, on a 51 inch 3d plasma tv and everything was the correct size with the correct perspective. You just had to spend a little time setting up the application and game settings correctly. Think about it, do you really think nVidia would have release a product that had the issues you described?

[@milannesic5718]

@@Jamic9 Huh? How do you display a life sized human on a limited sized monitor/TV? Remember, when man stands, he needs to be as big as you. In VR, human is your size. House is the real size. How do you display full sized house on a monitor, WTH? Of course the size of the house will be limited to monitor size

[@Jamic9]

@@milannesic5718 Of course objects are going to be limited to the size of the display. This is 3d not VR. What do you expect? You can say the same about playing any game in 2d on a small monitor/tv. My issue with duked19’s comment was that it seemed he was saying 3d made the cars look especially small, smaller than if he’d been playing the same game in 2d. My point is, if you’re playing the same game in 2d or 3d, the size of the objects will look the same, if the 3d convergence and perspective settings are configured correctly.

[@milannesic5718]

@@Jamic9 Nah, it won't. I agree with him. VR headset displays perfect 3d, and when I watch a 3d movie, scaling is all over the place. Some look giant, some look tiny. I also noticed, when the objects come to life in 3d, you are very well aware of scaling. I saw the same with 3d content

[@Jamic9]

@@milannesic5718 I played all my 3d gaming in pc and had none of those issues after various settings were correctly configured. Think you need to go back and check you tv/player 3d setting as it sounds like user error to me.

[@lelvinmori9670]

3D IS BACK BITCHES!!!

[@derptweaker945]

Very impressive... But also, scary that everyone will have eye tracking & cameras recording you att all times. In the wrong hands this can turn real ugly fast.

[@raychow5419]

So this is like the Red Hydrogen phone but with head tracking.

[@colin8877]

I have a 50 inch 4k tv that has 2D to 3D conversion with the press of a button, can play any game in 3D, but I prefer vorpX.

[@TonyDrecaps]

Which TV? I'm assuming it's active 3d shutter glasses?

[@colin8877]

@@TonyDrecaps Passive

[@TonyDrecaps]

@@colin8877 Cool! Which model? I've only heard of 2 projectors synced together being able to do passive

[@HypoceeYT]

@@TonyDrecaps LTT recently did a good video on the whole history of 3D TV tech. Passive was basically opposite filters on each scanline. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epPNk2WppdyEjMkm42s

[@colin8877]

@@TonyDrecaps LG 49UH850V bought it over 5 years ago to play my Xbox One X on, don't think they make them anymore.

[@iamthestog]

Fad tech. Looks cool but will die away just like all other 3d screens / films etc. What we're after is holographic technology!

[@blizado3675]

I don't think so. The main reason why other technology died was because you need to wear special glasses. If you don't need them and the resolution is high enough, 3D could also get into a normal product some day. And with now even coming 8K resolutions, such a screen would get even better, because it also benefits from.

[@iamthestog]

@@blizado3675 I found that the focal length was the killer for me as my eyes weren't focusing at the correct distance my brain figured out that I wasn't looking at a proper 3d image. This tech has the same issues. Unless you have this on a big screen (like a cinema) where focal length is no longer an issue it won't work. But seeing as this tech only works for 1 person viewing at a time this just isn't going to cut it.

[@apo5]

Wow and wow. Have you ever seen nintendo 3ds?