Awful Stealth Sections in Non Stealth Games

[@pumpkus9616]

The most baffling stealth section I have encountered is from Heroes Of Might and Magic 5. Mission called "The Temptation" has the player "sneaking" through enemy territory, and being caught results in an instant game over. For those of you who dont know, Heroes 5 is a turn based strategy game where everyone and everything moves on a rigid grid. If youre wondering how stealth in that game system works, it doesn't. The entire experience boils down to random luck, because you just have to hope the enemies won't go the way you want to go. They don't patrol between predetermined points, but instead they move randomly. And if one of the enemies decide to go on the 1 (one) path that can take you away from the enemy territory, then you are pretty much boned.

[@Ben_CleverName]

As a Heroes 3 player this made me take a double take on whether I read that correctly.

[@Tinkuwu]

@@Ben_CleverName Same. I love HoMM3, but hearing HoMM5 having this, I was curious and wondering if they meant the regular Might and Magic series, instead of the Heroes series. Nope. Crazy that 5 is a drastically different game.

[@LittleZbot]

If the Forsaken Fortress isn't on this list, I will birth a cactus

[@ThereminElectro]

Im glad you're ok

[@Thefrogbread]

Phew

[@Calmtimer]

Idk I think birthing a cactus is a one of a kind experience

[@reinshart]

I have some news for you

[@krossbow_]

so like is the cactus still in the womb

[@spebtm8017]

This guy is like if OddHeader just said the most out of pocket shit sometimes. Love the quality content Mr. C-Shift, keep it up!

[@FelisImpurrator]

He's gotten funnier. Used to be the jokes were just kinda pointlessly edgy but not all that good. Nice to see he's shifted more toward the JapanEat style of unhinged jokes rapid-fired.

[@RepugnanciaDulzona]

I love your sense of humor, I'm glad I found your channel, keep it up!

[@jamilfrost6217]

Those MJ and Miles stealth sections were the bane of my existence. They were not terrible, but they killed the pacing for me.

[@БогданКрименюк]

Yes they were terrible, don't deny it

[@Memo-yh4nc]

They were fun in SM2

[@DirtyDev]

They were awful.

[@zoesommer67]

Can’t wait for Best Stealth Sections in Non Stealth Games to come out in two months!!

[@moonlightlunacy]

AHH THAT HULK GAME!!! I hated those stealth sections so much as a kid I literally cried until my brother beat them for me, my tiny brain just could not understand it

[@naraksama3903]

God, Day 72 in this Kingdom Hearts game made me quit it when I was little. It took me one or two hours and then immediately after there was this dungeon I didn't understand and I was like: Yeah, fck this game.

[@gabrielcalderon6715]

I never finish this day on my only time playing this game i dont like stealth

[@darkgn0ll587]

You're my absolute pick for underrated KZbin channel! Keep up these brilliant videos and you'll keep gaining steam!

[@CJ-ln5ov]

Nice video! I think this was one of the funniest yet! I’d also like to thank you for giving me my first glimpse of gameplay from KH: 358/2 Days. Oh, I’ve played it before, but not really, because it was the HD 1.5 Remix version. The one that just retells the events of the game via HD cutscenes and text box summaries. Did I only boot it up for the trophies? Yes. Did I watch the whole thing because I got emotionally invested? Also yes! Did I shed a tear at one point? I think I did. Do I remember anything about it? Hell no!

[@cullenlatham2366]

in all honesty, it might be the roughest in the series in terms of gameplay, but at the same time, it is that exact hostility towards the player that makes the story moments between missions hit so hard for those who have played it. It is practically impossible to forget the story if you played the game to completion, but reaching that point is a job in and of itself. The game really needs a remaster, and no, that cutscene collection doesnt count. Polish out some of the hostility (but keep the mission structure in all its mundanity), update the control scheme, and give the multiplayer mode online functionality.

[@Its_Zarkmark]

For a potential follow-up: the Rat Hunting quest from Warhammer 40K: Rogue Trader. In an isometric rpg, they give you a mission where you need to sneak into a gang’s sewer hideout to save a companion’s friends for her companion quest. This involves running around and turning on a bunch of gas valves to spray knockout gas into the gang’s main hideout. A few problems. First, there’s no way to know where the valves are ahead of time, so you’ll be wandering around, potentially running into the guards. Second, the guards have no icons on the map to see where they are without seeing them in for yourself (likely getting spotted), and they also have no indicated line of sight, meaning that you can get caught with no way of avoiding it. Third, since stealth isnt in any other part of the game, fine control of your characters outside of combat isn’t a thing, you just click and your party will take the shortest route to get there, so unless you’re micromanaging the characters individually, they can bumble into a guard. Fourth, there are traps that, if triggered, immediately alert the guards and fail the stealth. You can spot and disarm the traps, but both are based on random chance based on your party’s skill levels, so if you don’t have a party with the right skills, it’s feasible to get caught due to a bad die roll (even if the chances are pretty low). Fifth, you can complete the quest even if you fail stealth, but the gang will kill some of your companion’s friends and you will get a worse ending. The worst part is that this is the only point in the game where there is any sort of stealth mechanic, and it’s in act 4 of 5 of an rpg that is easily 60+ hours per run, and unless you don’t care about that companion, you’re going to have to do it every time.

[@mrziiz6893]

Just got out of the Dark City, thanks for the heads up! (I’m gonna do it anyways because I love Jae)

[@DreThe1_]

Surprised you didn’t Segway into Max Payne from the San Andreas mention while talking about RockStar, sometimes I still hear ‘you’re one of the Cain boys aren’t ya’ in my nightmares

[@Fancyether]

Every Rockstar ps2 era stealth section was always awful

[@theballingboi5360]

I got two for you. One is the dungeon level (I think level two) of Wolfenstein: The Old Guard. You can technically go through the level without doing the stealth, but good luck with that. The detection range on the enemies you face is kind of insane, and some of the margin windows you have to be able to move through the level are absurdly low. The other is the sewer level in the Mexico city section of Metal Gear Rising, where you have I believe 3 consecutive rooms where you have to either sneak past or fight 3 of the gorilla style enemies. On your first playthrough when you still don't know the controls, it's an absolute piece of work to get through either way you try, because even if you're using the box, the enemies will still detect you even if you aren't moving, even in the pitch black rooms.

[@theballingboi5360]

Also yes, I know Wolfenstein is kind of a stealth game, and MGR is a spin off of THE stealth series, but these levels are just atrocious

[@jole5861]

The wolfenstein level is pretty easy to do loud, you can just kill one of the armored guys and then use his gun to kill any other nearby ones.

[@Santoryu90]

While I wouldn’t say they’re perfect I always thought the Mary Jane stealth sections were overhated. Also, for me the most annoying thing I remember from 358/2 Days was that one boss in Neverland.

[@emailname8624]

Always as hilarious as always, keep it up!!

[@tarekcat07]

Glad to see someone who talks negatively about Wind Waker for any reason other than it's artstyle and graphics

[@mamie8734]

I haven't seen anyone complain about how Wind Waker looks since it came out, luckily

[@tarekcat07]

@mamie8734 2000ish when the gamecube was announced, Nintendo showed a demo animation of Link and Ganondorf fighting and the fans were excited they thought that the next Zelda game on that console would have such graphics Untill Wind Waker was announced and everyone was shocked and hated it's cartoonish artstyle The backlash was almost the reason why Twilight Princess has this "realistic" artstyle with a depressing color scheme

[@mamie8734]

@tarekcat07 I’m aware! That’s why people had gripes with the artstyle, everyone wanted a grittier Zelda, more akin to the demo they saw. They wanted Ocarina of Time, but more “grown up” (they wanted it edgier). Since then, I don’t think anyone has lodged complaints against its artstyle. Wind Waker is lauded as one of the most graphically and visually stunning Zelda games, to this day

[@Jawpuh]

Oh my god. I played through that Hulk game soo many times as a kid. I had to have my dad do the Banner sections about every time ahaha

[@ibatheinv0mit]

good video!! hope this blows up :)

[@CasuallyShadow]

I love the information about a year at the start of your videos

[@couchpotato9355]

I don’t know if this necessarily counts as a “stealth section,” but in Modern Warfare 2019 there’s a section during that game’s embassy attack that requires you to guide a secretary from point-to-point through rooms full of enemies via a cell phone and the building’s security cameras. Let me tell you that it is one of the most tedious sections in the whole game, as the timing for the correct inputs is fairly strict, and the correct path isn’t really obvious. Not only that, you are not directly controlling her movements, which means that she occasionally will take a super unoptimized route that leads to what looks like a close call into a free trip to the last checkpoint. I distinctly remember a play through where she *hid on the wrong side of the cover I sent her to,* which of course lead to her getting caught. I nearly murdered a controller that day…

[@Chest3rTheSquirrel]

i did not expect a sweep picking joke in a c-shift video lmao

[@Tinkuwu]

358/2 days is my favorite Kingdom Hearts game. The trailing Pete mission isn't even hard, considering the way it's designed, it gives you a relatively large cone of vision so diagonal movements make you have a lot of room for variations in your vision. Staying directly behind him has less variables to work with in your cone, so you're more likely to lose sight of him if you stay directly behind him.

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

That gta one just feels like something added last minute just so they can show that not every mission can be solved with a gun

[@marveler8994]

Between Hulk and Spiderman, I really think people should stop making stealth sections in superhero games where you play non powered characters

[@darraghtate440]

I will defend the MJ sections (and that 1 Miles section) of the Spider-Man games. They're the only sections that actually have proper level design, and make you alow down and pay attention to the world. The Miles section - where you have to hide from Rhino - is super tense, and really illustrates how scary the villains can be if you're not a super powered jokester. Osborns apartment is a masterstroke of world building; it contains references to what will happen to Harry in 2 and (presumably) Norman in 3, with the proto Goblin mask and the pumpkin bomb blueprints. Plus its the beginning of Miles getting powers. I really like the slow sections.

[@wingsofhermes98]

The stealth sections in both gravity rush games

[@Zoomii5]

The worst stealth mechanics I have ever seen are in Lost Judgment. For some reason RGG decided to throw in stealth sections after nearly a dozen brawler games. You have to hide behind cover, throw a coin to distract them, sneak up behind the enemy, and take them down. This is the requirement for every stealth takedown. If you somehow get behind an enemy without throwing a coin to distract them, you cannot do a takedown. There are also several stealth sections you have to get through without taking down any enemies. I don't know what was worse, the stealth sections or the weird parkour/climbing sections. At least the combat is 10/10.

[@milkedmilk]

The Order 1886 is underrated I loved it

[@taqresu5865]

The one stealth level that I always hated was the stealth level in Turok Evolution (I think it's Chapter 4). The story mode was very difficult in general, but that level drove me to the point of using cheats to complete it. It's one of those games with a cheat code function that unlocked various things like "Invincibility, Big Heads, Infinite Ammo, etc." the relevant one being "Invisibility." I still remember the cheat code that unlocked all the cheats "FMNFB" as well as the cheat that took you to the Zoo, "ZOO." If anyone still plays Turok Evolution, there you go lol

[@termitesc.aardwolf3644]

Still haven't made it past that one stealth part in Okami where you have to steal that lady's clothes as she's bathing.

[@JesterKingZant]

Forsaken Fortress was bad? Man, I miss being able to enjoy video games

[@Shiestey]

Not even 2 minutes into the video and I’m already having flashbacks of being 11 years old playing San Andreas doing that incredibly annoying mansion mission. The worst part was there was no internet back then to tell you how to do it, so you kinda just had to figure it out. Lawless times back then lol

[@shaysela6989]

I got the entire Kingdom Hearts collection on PS5 during a sale a while back. The Wonderland level was so frustrating I still haven't finished it. Glad to know it's not a "me" problem

[@MrReVersed]

Castlevania lords of Shadow 2...

[@dmas7749]

Wild Arms XF has a stealth segment that absolutely deserves to be on this list. enemies that can see you from off-screen, and no grace period to beat them senseless, oh and did i mention that their line-of-sight checks are done AFTER THEY MOVE? i have no idea what they were smoking but it needs to be kept far away from everyone

[@rockbreaker7350]

0:12 Vaporwave awards lol. Good vid tho

[@SophieRoseLive]

Stolen Plates in warframe is not only just bad on a fundamental level, particularly the second half, but it's been broken for years where the enemies detaction range is like double what it should be

[@itsLalm]

i remember as a kid, playing some mobile stracraft knockoff, and the fourth mission was a steath segment i was compeltely incapable of beating.

[@kylele23]

Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 was obnoxious with it considering you fight far better enemies but this time if you get caught you just lose. It's a really jarring disconnect. It's why I think stealth should be optional 90% of the time, if you're good enough to compensate for being caught then you should be able to take the "harder" path.

[@xQuote]

I actually remember renting the Hulk game from Block Buster and just replaying the first level over and over again because I was to young and stupid to do the stealth second level

[@enruins1312]

Perfect timing. Just sat on the toilet.

[@meatypatte7125]

List idea for you : funniest moments in scary games

[@cullenlatham2366]

oh god, you just reunlocked my traumatic memory of day 72. As one of the 3 people who actually played the game, i remember the highs and the story quite vividly, but forgot most of the tedium of the more forgettable missions. Numbered days definitely doesnt help matters, so when you brought up 358/2, i couldnt place what you were referring to. And then you explain and show pete and the vision cones. "it is not so bad once you learn pete's walking patterns" you say? More like "it is so bad you need to memorize pete's walking patterns to stand a chance!" Oh well, ive passed the test before, and the game is practically impossible to play now a days without original hardware, so i shouldnt ever have to worry about it again. Right? (this coming from someone who always has that nagging feeling i should replay the game sometime to remember what got me into KH in the first place... how long until i forget the issue again? XD) (Man it sucks that 358/2 has never quite gotten the remake treatment. No, the cutscene collection does not count. Yes, most of the missions were tedious and generally unfun, but ironically, it was that "suffering through the job" that made the story so amazing in the moments between. Heck, if nothing else, roxas guiding xion through beast's castle as a mentor with a self-inflicted handicap needs to be experienced through gameplay, not a passing "this is what happened between cutscenes" summary.)

[@KnightmareDigitalis]

Nine Sols, a metroidvania platformer akin to Sekuro and Hollow Knight. As such, it's a fast paced game based on your reaction time, and every fight can usually be solved without taking a single hit if you're skilled enough. So how about a stealth section where your movement speed is slowed, your health is severely lowered, and every enemy alerts an invincible miniboss to your location, where they'll teleport to you instantly? The ONLY pass it gets is that you can open shortcuts as you go.

[@matthewparrish715]

If The Order cost less, it would be remembered so fondly. Gorgeous game with an interesting plot in a novel setting, but people only want to talk about price. A sequel could have refined the gameplay and added more to such a cool world.

[@Enderborn-qc2vw]

Just waiting for Insomniac’s Spider Man’s Miles and MJ sections. Edit: Called it!

[@mateobonavento3939]

I remember the Yugioh 5Ds games on DS having annoying stealth sections. They were super clunky and, worst of all, mandatory to continue the story. Just let me play card games and do motorcycle courses, not this out of place thing that only serves to pad out the game's length... when the freakin' cards games already do that requiring you to beat opponents a certain number of times to unlock new packs.

[@skraddarn69]

I've recently discovered something that I think is even more annoying than forced stealth sections. Forced combat sections in stealth games. I've been playing through the Metal Gear Solid series for the first time and I dread almost every single boss fight. And don't get me started on the communications tower in MGS1.

[@sovitsete6391]

I think a forced combat encounter in a fast pacing/speedrunning type of game is more annoying and can rot in hell whose thought it was a good idea. Sonic rush and mirror's edge comes to mind right off the bat

[@naraksama3903]

For a moment, I thought "Awful" meant "Hilariously bad and stupid" and was about to mention the ten second stealth mission from Sonic 06. Everyone who watched the Silver campaign by Lythero might know what I'm refering to.

[@БогданКрименюк]

-"I can't exactly knock on the door and ask them to let me in" -"Actually... you probably can" "Wow why did they even ducking bother?¿?"

[@Ultragamer63]

I think it would be interesting if you made a video about ARGs or Game Mysteries that were ruined. There's probably a better way to phrase that but I mean stuff like the hunt for The Lost in The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. I think something similar happened recently with Floyd in MK1. A list of 37 random challenges got datamined and he was found in less than a week. Do you really think that's what the folks at NRS intended?

[@iBenjamin1000]

Istanbull huh? Y'all heard about what happened to Istanbull? It's kind of crazy when you get down to it

[@CottonArsonist]

10:50 Ironically, I've just started playing Uncharted 2 and the fountain was the most annoying part of the game. I got like 1 or 2 takedowns away from finishing the section, but the guard you have to takedown after climbing a wall cost me 3 or so retries in total. Not terribly difficult, but a bit annoying given the slight janky controls the game has.

[@lazypaladin]

Fun Fact: _It's actually _*_Kingdom Hearts: 179 Days._*

[@Wario_Guy]

unfortunately, gta san andreas is not the only gta game with stealth… i can name too many missions with forced stealth in iv and v

[@БогданКрименюк]

Especially tailing ones, both in car and on foot

[@jadedheartsz]

Protocol is WAY better then The Order.

[@markula_4040]

Uncharted 2 may have one of the 'most iconic openings in video game history' but I say it sucks. It was a bad turn in video games where all these developers convinced themselves they could tell stories as well as movies and what soon followed was a bombardment of games choosing to start in the middle before going to the actually beginning of the story.

[@dandaelion____________________]

I really hope you included the old gamecube harry potter games

[@failedtalent1018]

Wait, so am I wrong for enjoying the Mary Jane stealth sections in both games? I like the variety.

[@chaosprime1629]

forsaken fortress is not even the worst stealth section in zelda. if anything i have to give it to breath of the wild's lost pilgrimage which thankfully is just a side quest. both stealth sequences in oracle of seasons are also pretty bad and the hyrule castle courtyard hedge maze in the minish cap is another dishonorable mention.

[@RedEyesBlackKnight]

Gavity rush 2 had multiple main story and side missions using stealth that were beyond awful and made me want to throw my PS4 out a window.

[@emailname8624]

I feel just so many games that really make no sense to include it have an undercooked stealth minigame or section, like the family guy video game

[@sangokovrita]

Ah yes, "awful stealth sections in non stealth games" also known as "literally every stealth section in a non stealth game"

[@KiryuuYoshiya]

the agrabah levels in days certainly made me feel some type of way. as did that one fucking peter pan ass boss. good game tho

[@gabriel-gk5eh]

I actually like the hulk game 😂

[@mikeh5633]

Anybody know what the symbol in c-shift''s profile pic is?

[@sambenson2474]

Did you say the Hulk game was an MCU tie in lol?

[@extentnearby6139]

Every year I get the idea to replay uncharted 2 and it always goes the same I start the game i beat chapter 2 and turn off the game bored then a month later i'll continue and beat the rest

[@HighWire0]

17:14 Wait there were stealth mechanics in the basic game play?

[@felman87]

I'm also a bigger fan of Uncharted 4 than 2. So, in my mind 4>2>3>1.

[@KentCorlain]

Another stupid thing about that Uncharted 2 sequence is how the tranq gun takes out enemies in 1 hit, and your 'real' guns need half a magazine to do that... So why wouldn't you use that later? Also they say they use those so they don't kill the guards, and then immediately toss one of them off a roof.

[@KazzKobb]

because tranq requires you to reload after every one shot

[@donkylefernandez4680]

I got stuck at the beginning of Wind Waker 😂

[@donkylefernandez4680]

Oh, would ya look at that 😂

[@Zowayix93]

12:06 Thanks doc

[@GalacticE3]

Zelda games have a tradition of including stealth sections. Ocarina of Time has the Gerudo Fortress, Skyward Sword has the phantom areas, Breath of the Wild has the Yiga Hideout, and you mentioned Wind Waker's version. Most of these I do not like and would prefer traditional Zelda gameplay.

[@sebastianuglyrat]

Yiga clan hideout is maybe 10 minutes long, it’s not that bad

[@GalacticE3]

@@sebastianuglyrat If you know what you are doing. Yes, now I say it isn't that bad, but I struggled on my first playthrough

[@hauntedwafflecake]

I haven't really played most Zelda games, but at least the in the Yiga hideout it's possible to ignore the forced stealth and just kill them all. I died a few times since I went there pretty early, but damn if it wasn't way more satisfying than trying to sneak past them. I hated the stealth parts in Echoes of Wisdom. They're not very long or that bad overall, just really annoying for no reason since there's no way around it.

[@GalacticE3]

@@hauntedwafflecake I concede that. I was just bad at dealing with the yiga blademasters in combat, so I stuck to the stealth. The Yiga section is well designed in that respect much better than other stealth sections

[@NecromancyForKids]

VaporWARE awards, not vaporwave. Those would be totally different things.

[@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63]

I had a similar experience with the Final Fantasy XV DLC. Episode Prompto is a first person shooter... that was awkwardly cobbled together from third person swordplay mechanics. I hated that one so much. Except unlike your examples, Square Enix does know how to make FPS games. They just... didn't.

[@Kart]

aw yeah

[@Shadowzero4]

I also hate Wonderland.

[@ShockInazuma]

Really? No Katana ZERO? I think it has a horrible stealth section for a game that contains efficient and quick play.

[@apocalypshooper]

THE LAD IS BACK

[@669b]

i love your videos you're like evil scott wozniak

[@NebLleb]

What no Far Cry 3?

[@AHOPOAH]

Ok, I felt for the clickbait I went thinking "C'mon, the Gerudo Fortress is pretty fine", then I saw it was actually talking about Forsaken Fortress and thinking "Ok this one is really awful" Not even mad, this was a good one

[@LexusLFA554]

5:32 Did they actually misspell the word slide in the top right or where does that error come from?

[@cellojerms]

sidle is the intended word

[@sebastianuglyrat]

Link is “sidling” the wall, as in he’s pressed up against it

[@ShadowChief117]

I don't want to come off like an asshole but you literally could have just googled the word Sidle to see if it was a real word or not instead of accusing Nintendo of making a typo in a KZbin comment lmao

[@LexusLFA554]

@ShadowChief117 fair point Just never heard the word before

[@stevenclubb7718]

With Goldeneye inflicted some of the most hated innovations of all-time (escort missions with a braid-dead character, sniper rifles for future generations of campers, and shitty stealth), the PC FPSs that came in its wake could be counted on to have an awful stealth mission (and usually an escort one, too) with virtually none of the features that make stealth missions even remotely tolerable... might as well make a stealth mission for the original DOOM. Thankfully, I blocked most of them from my memory, but the number of insta-fail steal missions with awful stealth was a rough time to be alive.

[@FlareToga76]

the MJ section was great. annoying, sure. but awful? no

[@БогданКрименюк]

Yes, awful, terrible even

[@Kanata_Satou]

The fact that the MJ missions returned in Spiderman 2 shows that Insomniac didn’t give any shits about fan feedback,and after how half-assed that game turned out I’m just not looking forward to the third game or Wolverine,they lost all my confidence.

[@IsaacCosmic]

Is your profile pic, like, and IUD or something?

[@Veladus]

>Stealth section with THE HULK Finally, someone that understands comic characters as poorly as Zack Snyder!

[@MasterMillerPlayx]

Well the stealth sections are only for Banner, not Hulk, so it does make sense.