AX24 or SCX24 What 4WS truck is best?!

This ended up being a long one but im happy to conclude that the best axial 1/24 scale crawler is.... well.. watch the video and find out!

[@jerm215]

Use little rubber bands to hold the front end down . I put them around the shocks and it works awesome

[@zippysrc5805]

Excellent comparison... I have to admit, I'm more intrigued about the AX than I thought I would be. Looks like the only disadvantage the AX had was the front shocks unloading a few times to get a little top heavy in front. It looks like Axial did put alot of thought into the design. Great video, thanks. Zippy

[@UpperLeftRC]

Glad you enjoyed it! I was pleasantly surprised by the AX24 as well, and I think you nailed it, the soft shocks unloading because of the weight up high is basically the only real issue I’m seeing in the first couple runs with it 🤘🏼

[@mrrc895]

If you don't want to do much modding I think the AX24 is great. Especially for the price. But when you switch out the servos and motor for better ones the price quickly goes up. You could build a very nice SCX24 from scratch with all metal parts about 250$. And that price goes down for every part that you already might have laying around.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Absolutely, the ax24 is a lot of fun and pretty capable out the box but if you are someone who upgrades or mods their rigs pretty much right away then it’s tough to decide between buying one or starting a scratch build with 4ws 👍🏻

[@ADHDNME777]

@@UpperLeftRC I enjoy squeezing every drop of potential performance out of everything. I spend more time doing that than actually driving it. My next project is a Meyers Manx crawler.......

[@rockwolfdesigns6384]

What a great review. I would say they were pretty evenly matched. So that means the AX wins. Since it's going to be cheaper and preassembled.

[@UpperLeftRC]

That is a very fair conclusion Jim! 😄👍🏻

[@JaysensRCs]

After driving one this weekend, I will admit that if I had to pick between those two rigs, I would have a really hard time choosing. I think it would just be a looks thing, and I would have to pick the green scx. Great video as always. 👊✌️😎

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks brother! I’m glad you got a chance to drive one, it really is a fun little rig but yeah when it comes to looks i love that INJORA buggy build!😄👍🏻

[@andrewrichey7374]

Oh man after all that, it was awesome watching you build that little bridge

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks Andy! I had fun building it on the live stream and hanging out with y’all

[@RCBirds]

Great comparison. Your modified is much better in my mind with more options to use. But out of the box the AX24 is a great step forward. The long and soft shocks are awesome, too.

[@UpperLeftRC]

I agree 100% 🤘🏼😄

[@venomoussvt]

I have a highly modded scx24 and my ax24 also. Out of the box there’s no comparison that the ax is more capable. Mod for mod I feel the ax is still a better chassis (IF) crawling is your ultimate goal. Like the scx, it needs the same basic mods to perform well though.

[@CCxRC]

Great video. Actually like that Injora with those wheel. hmmm. Killer course Dustin

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks Tony! 🤘🏼😄

[@rcmedia9516]

Thank you.

[@rcjoe406]

Great stuff brother like em both I always throw at least a 100 into my 24 builds so an AX 1 will get on to the ever growing list lol

[@UpperLeftRC]

Awesome! Can’t wait to see what your AX build will turn into 🤘🏼😎

[@venomoussvt]

What I’m wanting is a decent “kit” to create a front dig for these. Dig is a huge step in creating a more capable rig.

[@NorthLand_Offroad]

God I wish

[@andrewrichey7374]

Yeah that was awesome Dustin, I like that old course

[@UpperLeftRC]

Me too, it’s been a long time since I filmed anything out on it lol

[@vdel9036]

The AX24 seems easier to control the 4WS system. But the SCX24 has a shorter trans ratio that makes it better on slow crawling. My choice : SCX24 Thanks for this interesting battle.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks for the info about the gearing 😄👍🏻

[@shawnrichardson118]

Love your video I’m all about the ax thanks for the video I hit the subscribe button

[@UpperLeftRC]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@andrewrichey7374]

Hey Dustin love those Stans, Yep we’re here watching buddy

[@jdsrcs8061]

Great vid Dustin. For me I will get on just to get experience with rear steer. I don't have any 4ws rigs so for me this is perfect!!!🤘🤘🤘

[@UpperLeftRC]

Heck yeah! That’s kinda what I was thinking when I picked up the ax24, I wanted to see what it’s 4ws set up was like and after running it I really like the truck a lot 👍🏻

[@otispbody]

Just bought a second AX24 to pull the electronics out and put in my SCX24/Injora Buggy for the progressive rear steering.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Right on 🤘🏼😎

[@bioeddiefpv6265]

Been enjoying this Channel and referring to it more so that others lately..... I just modded my deadbolt out with brushless using a lot of your tips and just decided to pick up an ax 24. Would like to see a comparison of the most capable scx24 versus the ax24 out-of-the-box.... Thanks for all the help and good videos you put up...

[@UpperLeftRC]

Glad your enjoying the content and the ax24 is a cool rig, I’m sure you’ll like yours, as far as most capable scx24 I think this buggy is up there in capabilities but I could try putting my ax up against my comp rig 👍🏻

[@bioeddiefpv6265]

@@UpperLeftRC that would be pretty awesome I'm thinking the deadbolt would make a great comparison and the Spectrum ESC what is a absolute selling point for me because I'm a quadriplegic and I used a gimbal from x9d to make forwards and reverse three wires I tied into the throttle and left and right with three wires make it handicapped-accessible to me but I've been rocking the Spectrum slt3 since I started and this was nice with the two-in-one ESC Revolution..... Anyways I look forwards to your videos and I have personally been looking for the gen9 2-speed transmission so I can put in my gen 8 when it comes to the 10th scale of all of it

[@radioactivescalerc]

I will take the Injora Build over the AX24, love the build, but no dought I will, buy on just because. Never can a Canadian get a new rig video up before anyone else, non of the hobby shops have the AX24 in yet.. great video Dustin

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks brother, bummer about them being released later in Canada though, I didn’t know they get delayed like that :/

[@andrewrichey7374]

Love those rock lights super cool

[@andrewrichey7374]

That is super cool, I only have one vehicle with rear steering that is my LMT grave digger and it is pretty awesome

[@UpperLeftRC]

A monster truck is a “must have rear steer” kind of rig too, love those LMT’s! Can’t wait to get one for myself someday 🤘🏼😎

[@KrazyD]

Great video. I just ordered the Injora buggy. Can't wait to build it. Hopefully I can pick up a ax24 in the next few weeks.

[@UpperLeftRC]

That buggy is such a cool looking chassis option for the scx24 I think you’ll really enjoy it 🤘🏼😄

[@andrewrichey7374]

There you go that was awesome I do like the new AX 24 maybe down the road

[@UpperLeftRC]

Yeah for sure it’s a great little rig to add to the collection

[@andrewrichey7374]

I thought of getting the new four wheel steer rig but I just ordered the trail hunter yeah I’m Stoked about it

[@UpperLeftRC]

That trail hunter looks like a beast, I’m sure you’ll have fun with that truck too 🤘🏼

[@majikfreak]

I gotta say of I had to pick between them, I would pick that SCX. The AX24 is not my flavor and that scx is just to cool for school. I loved your video it was very informative. Nice work Dustin.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks bud! Glad you liked the video and I appreciate the support!😄👍🏻

[@Chaos4Eva1]

I'm thinking of getting the AX24 cause I already have a Scx24 "modded" C-10. Love the 4ws but love that body on the built one!

[@UpperLeftRC]

Right on! You’ll enjoy the AX24 for sure 🤘🏼

[@FJAdventurer]

I’m digging the green one. That said, my age prevents me from coping with to many steering options.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Lol the more options the better!

[@jgunter1991]

I’ve been planning to get the SCX24 for a couple months now then boom the AX comes out. I’m still leaning towards the SCX though honestly.

[@GARYU-S44]

very good video 👍 thanks for sharing😁🎶🤝

[@crawlerballer]

Love the look of that SCX24!

[@UpperLeftRC]

That INJORA buggy is an awesome upgrade for any rig 🤘🏼

[@watsonira7]

The short answer is. My slightly modded scx whoops my almost fully modded Ax. I love them like sons and one son is tougher than the other but like I said I love them both.

[@UpperLeftRC]

100% agree haha the AX is a fun and cool design but it’s just not at the same level as an SCX24 if both are heavily modded

[@bladeaddison3189]

Just built my Injora buggy too. As a Capra fan I love the look of it vs. the AX24 which to me looks too much like an old school toy RC. lol

[@UpperLeftRC]

Right on 🤘🏼

[@shannoncairns1161]

I owned the original AX-10 Scorpion , it's identical exept for the 4ws , try flipping the shock towers upside down to get the weight down low & run firm springs in the rear & medium up front !! This set up will keep it from torque twisting as it climbs & personally I would figure out a way to put tire weights inside the tires wrapped around the rims also put a regular 1/24th body on it would look cool .! 1 question for you ? which tires are taller the stock 1s or Mudslingers ??? Peace !!

[@jerryhermann7233]

Get a fly sky gt 5. It has builtin front steer, all wheel steer, crab , and rear wheel steer. Switch between them with the round dial belpw the screen. Thats my goto radio now.

[@allengeist5481]

I built the injora and love it adding r steer soon thing I like about ax4 is the articulation lol.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Nice 👍🏻

[@cabaretrc]

Love that track😻 I can’t decide neither. I would play with both equally if i do had em i guess

[@UpperLeftRC]

They are both very fun and thank you I’m glad you like the track! 😄

[@VS666]

can you estimate the price difference between turning an scx24 into this compared to buying a new ax24? i like the ax24 but your version of the scx24 looks cooler and has better rear steer functions

[@UpperLeftRC]

Well the scx24 base price for either the c10 or jeep JLU will run around $120 the other parts needed I’ll list out for you based on prices on Amazon for the cheapest option that will work, Metal versions of these are available too if you want to upgrade them but I’ll keep it basic 👍🏻 Scx24 front axle for rear steer conversion: $32 INJORA steering servo w/ servo mount: $21 INJORA buggy body: $30 So about $193 to get the basic rear steer buggy I built, I’ve added upgraded wheels/ tires high clearance links etc. but those aren’t needed, I just added them for my style of build. Hope this helps 😎👍🏻

[@jerryhermann7233]

Not a fair comparison. Apples tp oranges. Put the same weight on the ax and it will out shine the scx. The ax just needs alot of low weight. Mine has 2 diffrent sets of brass wheels i can use, brass high clearance links, brass steering linkage, a komoto dragon brushless motor (the big one), lizard esc, and no body. I call it the linar rover. Oh ya +4 mm axils. For having the rx , and esc up high shes very capable.

[@tylermanion2846]

Pretty hard compairing a stock truck too such a heavily modified one... Had an ax10 back in the day, they are awesome rigs with almost limitless potential

[@UpperLeftRC]

Yeah this is certainly not an apples to apples comparison but it’s the closest I could get without unmodding a rig lol 😎👍🏻

[@Walter_R_C_Park_Jeff]

awesome video thank you for the demo of the new ax24. nice rock course you have im tempted to buiid one in here house lol

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks, you should definitely build one 😄👍🏻

[@snorrevonflake]

3:50 I wish you had explained what it needs for 4 WS, thats keeping me away, do i have to buy a expensive radio, and especially - do i need reversed servos, where do i find them when i want to upgrade servos ? Watched a video how to reverse a servo theres a lot of tiny soldering involved, you might ruin it. That would have been basic information necessary. Usually you need either an expensive Radio or some special 4WS controller.

[@UpperLeftRC]

The electronics (ESC & receiver) and radio are all stock v2 scx24 electronics. There was no soldering or wiring etc. need for this 4ws mod. All I did was install a stock scx24 front steering axel on the rear of the vehicle with a stock steering servo and plugged the servo into the channel 3 spot on the ESC, this will allow the servo to be manually switched to either full lock left/center/full lock right positions using the channel 3 switch on the stock controller. Sorry for the confusion, it’s a very simple mod that is fun and effective. There are many other ways to get rear steering on a vehicle that has more precise controls but those require more money and other parts to accomplish similarly to the way you described in your comment. Note: the steering servos in the video are technically upgraded to an Emax servo but stock servos will work exactly the same.

[@farmboyrc]

I think if you throw some double barrels on to let it sit lower and some rubber bands on, I think it would help a lot when it comes to being top heavy

[@UpperLeftRC]

Yeah I’m not a huge fan of double barrel shocks but it’s not a bad idea 👍🏻

[@timjohnson9406]

Awesome course you definitely gave me ideas for mine. I'll stick with the scx24 myself! Not so impressed with cost verses value on the ax

[@UpperLeftRC]

Fair enough, glad you got some ideas from the course 🤘🏼

[@andrewrichey7374]

Love to have one of your banners, I got one extra banner holder from grizzly works I think. Yeah they both look great I do like that AX 24, well as always appreciate you sharing until next time peace and chicken grease 😁👍👍😎

[@UpperLeftRC]

Hey Andy I’ll definitely get a banner out to you, I got a couple things I need to send to Jim and Jaysen so I’ll make sure the care package has some banners and stickers etc. in there for them to get to you 😄👍🏻

[@andrewrichey7374]

@@UpperLeftRC awesome Dustin yeah if it went to Jim he lives close to me

[@aaronbrand3813]

Why not utilize a replacement remote and radio/esc from the AX24 and put it in your Injora scx24 buggy build like I did..? Simplified the complicated steering problems…. Also kinda upgrades your remote issues as well…

[@UpperLeftRC]

The AX24 ESC does not allow independent rear steering only, although using a separate switch is not as ergonomic as toggling between steering modes like the AX can. Also the AX24 ESC doesn’t have the same kind of smooth slow speed control that the V2 electronics in the scx24 has, I think either option is good though 👍🏻

[@jgunter1991]

The SCX24 sounds so much better than the AX. I hate that constant flatline beep noise on the AX lol

[@covecityboys]

Scx24 all day.

[@extrahandsdesign]

I'm building a SCX24 4WS rock buggy to match my UTB18 as I watch this. Thats the fun. Why buy it done already? Not sure if I'm going To use my Gladiator or C10 as a donor.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Right on 👍🏻

[@sofghost6663]

I think a good combo for a beginner would be the ax24 with the injora rock buggy chassis for an extra 30 bucks

[@UpperLeftRC]

Combining the two might not be a bad idea, I’ll have to try it out 🤙🏻

[@jerryhermann7233]

The ax is a scx not the buggy. The buggy really cant be called a scx as the buggy roll cage is the chassis with scx suspension. Ok im nit picking a biy. Had that buggy chassis. Sold it to my brother. My ax blowes it away.

[@mudhunterrrr]

i think if you simply put metal rims and put some limiting strap there it will be more decent for ax24 to head to head with scx24

[@UpperLeftRC]

Yeah some heavier rims for sure, I dk about the limiting straps but it never hurts to try them out and see 🤘🏼😎

[@PerdueRC]

Hey where can I buy an Upper Left RC sticker? Love the pnw representation!

[@UpperLeftRC]

I don’t sell the stickers unfortunately, I had a small batch made a while back and gave them away at events etc. I plan on ordering more though so if you have an instagram or Facebook account, hit me up and I’ll send you a couple when they come in 🤙🏻

[@ellishazard8506]

Anyone near the Seattle area? I’m trying to find folks to crawl with

[@PerdueRC]

@@ellishazard8506 I’m in Orting. Near Puyallup.

[@ADHDNME777]

My fcx24 schmokes'em both!! 😊

[@TheDepep1]

If only they had a 4th channel like the V2 electronics had. Quick rear steer on a switch and Lights control would have been great. Maybe their "V4" esc will have it.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Maybe, that would be pretty cool if they released and ESC/receiver with those options 👍🏻

[@07scoobywrx]

I just recently picked up the ax24 only real complaint I have is it’s a little top heavy hoping the brass axles and brass extend hex’s I ordered will fix that

[@illestmuzik]

did it fix it? im looking at buying ax24

[@07scoobywrx]

Yes It did help!

[@racing10]

I bought the slt3 and the 2 n 1 rx that comes with the xc-1 and I can not get it to program like it is on the xc-1, but with the button on the slt3 is kinda nice

[@ADHDNME777]

It's massively top heavy, esc is mediocre at best. Rubber steering links!!! Gotta love those bendy steering links!! A company like Axial has no excuse for producing a C- crawler at best. Spend a few hundred more and it can be much better.

[@motomikey13]

Dude I'm in Whidbey you should come run my course

[@TheImtoomuch]

Cool video! Which chassis is the green truck running? It looks like a micro Bomber RR10.

[@UpperLeftRC]

It’s an axial Scx24 with an INJORA tube buggy body

[@TheImtoomuch]

@@UpperLeftRC thank you!

[@RCcarpenter]

I choose the Axial!

[@UpperLeftRC]

Fair enough 🤘🏼

[@Jack_2752]

Where did you get those sweet car stands? Those are really cool!

[@UpperLeftRC]

I 3D printed them 👍🏻

[@Jack_2752]

@@UpperLeftRC epic!

[@JIMJAMSC]

I call them Credit Card Crawlers haahaha.. The 1/24 should should ship in a empty box with a parts diagram, exploded views, some sharp pictures along with links to those who sell upgrades. I mean if the idea is to replace anything plastic and anything light that leaves little left. Any plastic parts left simply sell upgraded plastic as heavy duty, stamp a known name on it and jack up the price 100%.

[@pinkbluebronco4323]

I think if you wanna spend 100-300 on a modded scx24 then it will be better than an ax24 but for 160 dollars it's great and it comes with 4ws out of the box but with a few mods the ax24 would also be great.

[@UpperLeftRC]

I agree! There are pros and cons to both options but for the money the ax24 is pretty awesome with out needing any upgrades or anything right out the box 😎👍🏻

[@andreaschultz3958]

Awesome video 😁👍🏻

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks 😁

[@ironj100]

Love this tiny crawler cause of the tires

[@UpperLeftRC]

The tires really pull the look together 😄👍🏻

[@AgeOrmstad]

Cool video 😉👍

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks 😁

[@nunocarneiro464]

Just as I suspected, just mod the scx 😁

[@jimbo4203]

I like it !

[@brentfoxhoven]

awesome video. does the rear servo make contact with the injora frame at all?

[@UpperLeftRC]

No it does not

[@ADHDNME777]

See.....at 7:50......a top heavy crawler? What was axial thinking

[@lepouxlait4340]

When a put a second servo for the rear wheels on my Scx24, I didn't have enough power to crawl, how did you do for put two servos ? Thanks

[@UpperLeftRC]

I’m not sure why you lost power, I just plugged the servo into channel 3 on the stock ESC and it didn’t give me any problems. The servos I used were Emax servos so they might have a low power draw compared to the ones you might be running, if you have some stock servos laying around chuck those in and see if you are still loosing power, if you don’t then the servos you are running might just be to power hungry and the ESC can’t keep up 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@bobbymulwee7641]

I'm just hoping Axial uses the AX24 to reintroduce a new AX10

[@UpperLeftRC]

They very well may be doing that

[@sincitycrawler7375]

Nice man!

[@UpperLeftRC]

Thanks bud!

[@TR850]

The main difference in my opinion is that your modified scx24 look great, while the AX24 does not. The AX24‘s ugliness is its main downside!

[@UpperLeftRC]

Fair enough, a lot of people seem to not like the look of the ax 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@SteadfastRC]

I am doing this ijgora build. What did you use for suspension links on the rear axle? Thanks.

[@UpperLeftRC]

The links are c10/Bronco stock length links and the shocks are standard length shocks but upgraded to the hot racing metal versions, hope that helps

[@zachw8344]

What do you your rear steer and light bar plugged into on the esc? I plugged rear steer in channel 3 and light bar in head and only had reverse and fried the esc.

[@UpperLeftRC]

Those are the same ports I’m using for mine, it hasn’t burnt out the ESC but it’s good to know it can, I’m sorry your ESC got messed up :/

[@zachw8344]

@@UpperLeftRC with your light bar plugged into head does it turn on and off when using ch 3 for rear steer

[@Brian-ed4jm]

Do you know if that body fit on the AX24?

[@UpperLeftRC]

It doesn’t fit an AX24 unfortunately but if your handy with modding I’m sure you could probably make it work 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@maxwell5428]

How do you get the v2 esc to rear steer. All the guides and videos I’ve seen say you have to use the v1 electronics

[@UpperLeftRC]

Plug the servo into the channel 3 spot on the ESC, make sure your lights are unplugged and move them to one of the other open channel spots so they don’t flick off and on when steering, you can also adjust the end points on channel 3 by rapid clicking the bind button on the remote 3 times then using the normal steering trim buttons, message me on Facebook or Instagram if you need some more details or help 😄👍🏻

[@duramaxdad]

V1 is steered on a switch under the controller lid. V2 is steered on a switch w yo thumb. Both versions support rear steer but not so user friendly as the steering wheel does not control rear steer.

[@maxwell5428]

@@duramaxdad thank you, I’ll try it when my extra front axle comes in

[@maxwell5428]

@@UpperLeftRC thanks I will try that as soon as my spare front axle comes in