Azaria Chamberlain (Dingo Attack) Mental Health & Personality

This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the Azaria Chamberlain case? What are the mental health and personality factors at work in this case?
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[@WendyLPN]

In the late 70's I watched my 2 year old little sister dragged through the snow in her pink snow suit by 2 feral dogs that looked like a German Shepherd and a Chocolate Lab. I've never seen my Mom run so fast as she caught up to them and hit them until they let go of my sister by the time they had her down the street. This was in the suburbs in Pennsylvania, and dogs that were most likely pets at some point, so I have no doubt of what wild dingoes would be capable of, especially if hungry.

[@nd612]

Wendy Paints: Of course they would. People act so stupid that a wild dog wouldn't do that. By the way, your mom is the best! That's a real mom. I love her and don't even know her. Thank you for sharing your great story .👌😇

[@matthewridgeway636]

Spot on. We've all seen animal docos. The dingo actually cased her when she explored fertility cave... Dingoes arent dumb....they can smell newborns...human or otherwise. Babies and injured animals are prime targets.

[@samanthapurdy2053]

It's like the missing 411 phenomenon. Kids going missing in national parks. I'm sure a good chunk of those disappearances were children getting taken by animals.

[@whispersinthedark88]

I used to have 2 LG dogs and they were able to drag me behind them about 50 ft down a beech on my stomach while hanging onto their leashes before I could stop them. I was a 155lb adult at that time. Dogs both wild and domestic are definitely able to take down and drag quite a bit of weight, slipping off with a newborn is well within their abilities if they have the mind to do it. Was this area an international vacation spot? Because I could see the government wanting to shift blame away from anything that would cause ppl to not want to go there out of fear for their safety. Also its interesting that gov. pushed the idea that no one else could be held responsible in some way for what happened. What about the company running this campsite where all these aggressive dingoes were freely running around and going after young ppl etc. I would think that they could be liable in some way for allowing such a dangerous situation without warning ppl ... especially parents and kids.

[@alimar0604]

@@whispersinthedark88 Ayers Rock, an internationally known site of cultural importance 🇬🇧

[@rbguerreiro2466]

I love that dr Grande seems to be getting more comfortable with showing us his sense of humour. Brightens my days ❤️

[@Inner_wild_child]

SAME I love his little quips

[@mazzmarymaria]

Same I love his subtle sense of humour and his consistency with putting out videos

[@bdlimea7018]

Such a " dry" sense of humor but in a good way if that makes sense. I love it. He makes me giggle

[@megalopolis2015]

The dingo didn't come forward and admit wrongdoing. :0)

[@sadeatthewhip1846]

I get really tickled by his way of ascribing human characteristics and methodologies to animals

[@theinterfaithshepherd9075]

I lived there at the time in Alice Springs a few hours drive from where it happened and where the case was held initially. That entire region's economy was based upon tourism. It was not good for business to have children killed by local wild animals. This is, in my opinion, why the Government there wanted a conviction so bad. That said, Lindsay Chamberlain was absolutely despised by pretty much every Australian. Whenever interviewed, she definitely had a very negative vibe. I'm more mature now and understand that paparazzi and media staff can make one's life a living hell. I believe this is why Lindsay behaved the way she did. What person, let alone a young woman, wants to be attacked by media after the horrific death of their child. It would have been a nightmare for anyone and society condemned her mercilessly. She became the scapegoat of the shocked community of which she was part. I think it would be worth talking about that aspect of Psychology Dr Grande. Great videos!

[@sternuens]

I never thought she did it.

[@goldenautumn3073]

It was absolutely soul-destroying to have to watch it happen, and extremely hard to witness the unbelievable ignorance and willingness of most Australians to rapidly and viciously twist whatever Lindy or Michael said. trying to make out it was their Christian religion that was to blame. This was truly sick. As I myself discovered, the Seventh-day Adventist faith is in fact the most true to God and the Bible one could come across. But what was worst was the lies and slander of those attempting to make her appear guilty for their own 'advantage' or 'political expediency'. Changed the world for many people to wake up to the reality that we can't trust people just because they have some position in this now very evil world.

[@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags]

We met the Chamberlains when they came to Oregon and spoke at our yearly camp meeting, Oregon Seventh Day Adventist Church Conference in Gladstone Oregon.. They spoke about their horrible experiences, losing their baby, then charged with murder. Their story given during our meetings was very genuine and the most heartbreaking story. They were very sweet people. I was glad to have met them...was late 80s. Its a story that could happen to any of us.

[@jamesw17]

This Australian approves. Haven't watched the video yet but I bet it features one of Dr G's favourite (and most valid) points - the innocent Lindy Chamberlain fell under police suspicion at least partly because she didn't behave in the way they thought a grieving mother should.

[@Eyespy743]

James W - agree totally. Same for Kate McCann

[@lauriedmills7581]

So does this Aussie :). I recall the media calling the SDA's a cult and all sorts of ridiculous garbage about this family, the way she dressed in court, had another baby & so on. Bignote egos in the coppers and lawyers & the media = narcissism to the max; the wrong people were sent to jail. Lindy's remarried and living in the US last I heard, changed her name too apparently. I hope she and all her family are happy as they possibly could be.

[@Canyoutakemebackwhereicamefrom]

@@Eyespy743 don't know about Kate McCann. All the embedded confessions.

[@Canyoutakemebackwhereicamefrom]

Hi I'm Australian. I think she could well have been telling the truth and she got unfair treatment. How horrible it would be to loose your child and have this ongoing joke about it forever etched into popular culture.

[@Adara007]

As an Australian in late primary school when this case made the news, I definitely remember it vividly. Everyone had an opinion, it seemed, and other school students would be arguing about it on the bus and most seemed to be parroting their parents' strong views that Lindy was guilty of murdering her baby. Both my parents were not of this view and in this they seemed to be in a minority. Having lost a sister born a few years after myself to SIDS, thy were sensitive to any parent losing a young child. And as my mother especially was rather religious, being a committed Baptist, she had empathy for the Chamberlains and felt they were being targeted because of their religious beliefs - claims about the Seventh Day Adventists' being a cult were made and SDA's were actually targeted as a result - and also, especially, because of their behaviour in public. The Chamberlains', especially Lindy, were judged as not being genuinely upset because they did not cry in public and also because Michael seemed to be fatalistic about Azaria's death: he had said it must have been "God's will" and he said this when he insisted on praying together with some of the people at the camp by Uluru after search parties failed to find Azaria. There was the ridiculous allegation about Azaria's name meaning "sacrifice in the wilderness" which was absolutely incorrect and, I think, was from someone who mixed up Azaria with the Hebrew demon Azazel who was said to inhabit the desert and the wilderness, an maybe also the Archangel Azrael, associated in Arabic sources with being the Angel of Death, was involved in the mix-up over the meaning of the name Azaria. Lindy was attacked for the clothes she wore, her seemingly severe hairstyle, the forthright manner both to journalists and in court in which she described the way a dingo would have taken the head of an infant and how they kill any prey - that was taken ti be evidence of her emotional coldness and therefore guilt. I remember the media constantly insinuating if not overtly claiming that Lindy was guilty. Then the NT police had their own opinion from the start that Lindy was a murderer and the NT Prosecution called on so=-called 'expert witnesses' who made grievous errors - one woman, a forensic scientist, claimed that the underside of the Chamberlain's car was spattered with blood from an infant when it turned out to be rust. Yet that self-same scientist remained practising in the field and gave her 'evidence' or opinions in other court cases. The fact someone so wrong about such a matter could continue to be employed is a miscarriage o justice in itself - an the entire case against the Chamberlains was replete with miscarriages of justice. I've a copy of Lindy Chamberlain's autobiography, "Through My Eyes", and it's a harrowing but a must-read for anyone wanting to know more about the case. It's unsurprising that the marriage of the Chamberlains fell apart by the time Lindy was released from prison - Michael had not been particularly emotionally supportive of Lindy in the aftermath following Azaria being taken, and the couple divorced in 1990, with Lindy ending up meeting an American, Rick Creighton. She is now known as Lindy Chamberlain-Creighton. She moved to the U.S.A. for a time and eventually returned to Australia but has said that in America she was able to go out in public an not be recognised nor spoken about the way she was in Australia. To this day, I've met people who despite not having even been born at the time of the case have very definite and emotion views about the matter and are convinced Lindy is guilty of murdering Azaria. It does not matter how much evidence one provides to these individuals, they don't wish to listen. I've learnt not to bother trying to argue with them. They're also the types of individuals prone to conspiracy theories - by that, I mean rather wild and completely unsubstantiated conspiracies and I've found it interesting that to date studies about such conspiracy theorists show they have not only pessimism generally but a lower than average IQ and intelligence overall in common.

[@rociomiranda5684]

Imagine the horror of losing your child in such a terrible way and being jailed as her killer.

[@karistone1297]

Rocio Totally agree. As well as that while she was in jail, Chamberlain gave birth to a daughter, and had her almost immediately taken away. When Lindy returned home after her release, her little girl didn't know who she was. Tragic.

[@kimmyfreak200]

australia is a bit vicious.. we complain how united states is judgmental but u,.s,. aint got nothing on australia in that respect

[@shakypam]

@@kimmyfreak200 in this case, I agree. We can be (or were, back in the 80's) arseholes

[@goldenautumn3073]

And with not a shred of evidence to substantiate ANY of it. She was set up, plain and simple.

[@goldenautumn3073]

And while pregnant with her last child. The baby was even refused to be allowed her surname 'Chamberlain', while Lindy was in prison - the NT prison named her "Baby Brown". All of it revealed just how pathetic and cruel human nature can be.

[@Xr-pd2oi]

An excellent summary. Stoicism in the face of tragedy is not so rare that it should be treated with suspicion.

[@flickiow24]

Similar to the mccanns backlash, new evidence today.

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

I feel so badly for the baby and the parents.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

Or the possibility of ambivalence, when the parent or spouse may not have 100% positive feelings, which isn't uncommon.

[@saratonnan]

Stoicism can also be cultural. The British, for example, have a long history of a cultural expectation to not show emotions in public. In my family a tragedy was always met with a calm facade in public. It's not even something you think about, that's just what's expected.

[@ladymopar2024]

You never know how you're going to act in a tragedy hits such a sad story

[@jastey8951]

I was at ayers rock when this happened, i was 12. We often fed the dingos, they were all over the camp sites and caravan park. Back then you could camp just about anywhere near the rock. We had no doubt a dingo took the baby, as you would often find dingos in tents and running off with food etc. The media and gossip about this case was awful.

[@mcd5478]

jastey Oh Wow. Interesting to hear your perspective. 👍🏼

[@tiltedhalo9888]

Thanks for that perspective . If always was presented as a rogue dingo kind of thing .

[@eaglesquedingo2112]

I lived there also. There are very strong rumours about what happened that the mainstream media never report. These rumours do not involve the dingo. Dingoes are so misunderstood :( My dingo has such a gentle beautiful nature

[@Canyoutakemebackwhereicamefrom]

@@eaglesquedingo2112 hi, I'm in Canberra. I was just curious about the other rumours or theories that weren't reported on. Do tell. Yeah dingoes are lovely ☺️. It doesn't mean that they won't eat when hungry though. I just had an absolutely awful experience with my dog. He killed the cat. For 6years they shared food and bed and If someone would have told me this would happen I would have told them they were crazy. I guess you never know.

[@k_3911]

@@eaglesquedingo2112 Yes I'm with Ana Leticia Gallardo! Can you please _please_ elaborate?? You've got me interested now and I won't be able to quit wondering haha

[@Hunulven]

Animals, both wild and domesticated, can be unpredictable. it's weird how some people just don't realize this.

[@coweatsman]

It is unwise to feed wild animals. The animals change their behaviour and lose their fear of humans. If people want to see wild animals they should not be interacting with them. Dingoes should not become scavengers at the edge of human camping spots because that is a change to the environmental context in which dingoes normally exist.

[@echoplex8494]

Dingos have been scavenging around human campsites for countless thousands of years, so it is not new behaviour, it is not a "change to their environmental context,"

[@mariaevans7811]

I have four dogs, you are so right, dogs are unpredictable, to a certain extent this is true, but you get to know your dogs, they have a pack mentality, and can be dangerous, you must remember the are powerful and can turn nasty!!! 🐶🐶🐶

[@IllIlllI]

@@coweatsman dingos should not become scavengers... I’m sorry to tell you but dingos ARE scavengers

[@coweatsman]

@@IllIlllI You missed the remaining qualifier which was " at the edge of human camping spots". You missed the context.

[@yoghurtpak]

Still weird people judge people on the way they grief and say "it is wrong" When people all grief in different ways. Just as that people all react different when it comes to different kind of situations.

[@yoghurtpak]

@ASCALON True! but to then judge them and say "They killed their own child" is something we shouldn't do. Let the facts speak instead of speculating.

[@ladymopar2024]

Agreed until it happens to you nobody knows how you're going to act

[@longwhitemane]

Well said. We have no idea how this family grieved behind closed doors. I would love to see the paper or book that cops use to determine how someone is supposed to act in any given horrible situation.

[@Sonofspam64]

I grieve by laughing. This virus is the funniest thing since 9-11.

[@bdlimea7018]

@@longwhitemane Every single case to this day judges people on their behavior after the fact. We always hear how they acted after or in interviews. Sometimes they are indeed guilty and their behavior was because of that fact but other times they aren't. I am guilty of assuming someone committed the crime when seeing their behavior. It's hard not to sometimes. Especially being a Mom and witnessing another Mother showing little emotion when her child or children were murdered or died some way. There's no way I could be doing interviews right after..I would need to be sedated.

[@lauriedmills7581]

This poor lady was treated so badly - I remember this case clearly. They had her guilty based upon a belief that, "Dingos don't do that sort of thing". Even in current times dingoes exhibit this behaviour and they are dangerous - on Fraser Island a mother caught a dingo in the door of their cabin eyeing off the baby laying on the bed. Dingoes do indeed lose their fear of mankind (mainly by being fed by them) and definitely kill children, another case being on Fraser Is where dingoes attacked and killed children playing on a beach. Worst of all, the men who found Azaria's dress in the desert did not report it until decades later, the reason - they'll be treated the same way Lindy was ie guilty unless proven innocent (which they won't be). Police and lawyers and the media acting like cowboys and destroying this family. The media did not let up on this poor woman - the way she dressed for court, her emotions, behaviour - she could do NOTHING right. Public opinion was swayed by the bitchiness of the media, not by facts of which we heard very little. Lindy is innocent and always has been clearly so. Heart breaking stuff. Grave miscarriage of justice, media abuse and extremely poor policing and trial. Still upsets me what that lady and her family were put through! Dingoes are NOT pets - they are wild dogs, very cunning & smart, they do not bark (howl mainly) and they are master hunters. Leaving children in a tent like that was not unusual as the BBQ's are usually close by and no one knew or suspected such behaviour from a dingo as they'd so often been presented as "harmless" (ridiculous). Tragic.

[@frahn1702]

I remember this case so vividly - it was a terrible miscarriage of justice.

[@kavitadeva]

Great comment.

[@nd612]

Anything living in the wild "WILL" "do that kind of thing". Even domesticated dogs have done that many, many times. Especially the smell of a 9-month-old which still has a newborn smell to it. (Excuse the 'it', just a figure of speech) The newborn smell was part of the attraction that wet the dingos appetite all the more.

[@nd612]

@Kristy Kelly About your wallabie story that they attacked people. If this is true, it is extremely rare. Only one reason comes to mind why this would happen would be that they were constantly fed by humans they encountered and when they are not fed by humans they get angry and will attack. That's why they say do not feed wild animals. They will kick your ass when they find you are in their environment and have been fed by other humans and now you are their victim because of the bad ways of other humans that make it bad for the rest.

[@nd612]

@Kristy Kelly I agree. But in 1982 when the trial was going on they seemed to not have many attacks from dingos (from what they said) but come on, they knew wild animals attack prey to eat and if a baby is around they will eat it and not have to go out of their way to hunt. They must have thought the wild dingo was a nice dog and doesn't do that kind of thing - like "please"! Really?

[@Canyoutakemebackwhereicamefrom]

The lack of evidence in this case alone is enough to create reasonable doubt no matter how Lindi was acting. The prosecution didn't present a good case in my opinion. Just an Aussie girls opinion

[@thenarrator4786]

PSA: being weird is not a crime, nor is it sufficient evidence that one committed murder

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

Just like the Amanda Knox case. Some people still believe she did it which is ridiculous.

[@possumfriend2335]

The Isabel Celis case is a good example. The dad "acted weird" so people blamed him when she went missing. Then the une got a lawyer because they made him a suspect so that made people think he was guilty. Turned out she was abducted by a stranger who had killed other girls. He led police to where he left her body after he was brought in.

[@smithdawn1]

This happened to Colleen Stan. She was a victim of horrific crimes, known as The Girl In The Box. The jury had a hard time believing her even though it was all completely proven with overwhelming hard evidence.

[@ladennayoung2939]

@@mytruecrimelibrary now with her. I honestly get a guilty vibe. But with this case. I'm not sure.

[@thenarrator4786]

ya see, this is why i rarely engage in discussions on yt. 7 attempts trying to respond, all of which failed to post. no idea why... even my likes aren't registering -_-

[@alekspoljak8668]

An Australian here....I remember just about everyone condemning Lindy purely based on her unsettling demeanour, my parents included. The treatment she received from the media, our criminal justice system and public at large was truly abhorrent.

[@ninapearman]

My parents too deemed her guilty based on her court demeanour but I recall, much later on, the possibility of Aidan committing the crime. What a harrowing time that poor family endured.

[@djanitatiana]

You’re not kidding Aleks, one of the worst trial by media in history plus a disgraceful performance by the legal system. Poor Lindy was just an unusual cat and didn’t act the way society at that time deemed she should.

[@serendipitous_synchronicity]

I was a very small child in 1980.. &1982. I remember most adults in my life totally believed the Chamberlain did it.

[@WiteDahlia]

I saw the TV movie and decided to read up on the case. Seems like a lot of mothers receive the same treatment from the public and over-zealous prosecutors

[@claudiarebecca4688]

I remember too.

[@globes179]

Dingoes have actually attacked many kids, in many documented cases. I'm surprised that there was never one such case recorded before 1982. Anyway, their fatalistic behavior hardly seems surprising, seeing as how in Australia, pretty much anything can kill you in your sleep, or at any moment for that matter.

[@Eyespy743]

Eric Wade - well I live in Australia 🇦🇺 and nothing has killed me or 25 million other Aussies in our sleep....

[@mzliberty7647]

@@Eyespy743 .. same... aussie, aussie... oi

[@frahn1702]

I’m an Aussie, and so far so good! I’ll be 70 soon, but I’ll watch out for dangerous critters !

[@Adara007]

@@Eyespy743 Also in Australia, and remember the Chamberlain case vividly: being about 11 at the time, it seemed everyone had an opinion and almost everyone - besides my parents and therefore myself - believed strongly in the guilt of the Chamberlains. The way the media and the NT police went after the Chamberlains was horrific. The fact they weren't emotionally vulnerable in public and Michael's seemingly fatalistic approach - he said several time it must have been "Gods will" - coupled with Lindy being forthright about how dingos attack prey, and the way Michael, a passionate photographer who photographed seemingly almost everything wherever he went as a matter of course, continued to take photos relentlessly after Azaria went missing all contributed to the media and NT police deciding they were guilty and the general public also seemed to judge them on these matters, too. There was also claims by a man about Azaria's name meaning "sacrifice in the wilderness". That idea was, in my view - as someone who, as one of my double majors at University, undertook Classical Hebrew and other Middle Eastern languages - most likely come from someone who had mixed up the names of a Hebrew demon and an Archangel, specifically the Hebrew demon Azazel who was believed to be a demon inhabiting the wilderness or the desert and the Hebrew Archangel Azrael who, in mainly Arabic sources, was believed to be the Angel of Death. Unfortunately, the erroneous claim that Azaria meant "sacrifice in the wilderness" was fixed in the media and believed by most people who also assumed the Chamberlains had planned to kill Azaria as part of their religion - the being Seventh-Day Adventists was believed to be a strange cult at the time. Together with Lindy Chamberlain having made a black dress for Azaria, the seeming lack of emotions on the part of the Chamberlains, and the NT ensuring their so-called 'expert witnesses' made claims that sounded correct - the scientific terminology baffle most of the jury and they didn't understand the terms used by the defence, either - and claimed infant blood was on the underside of the Chamberlains' car and in Michael Chamberlain's camera case, and Lindy was found guilty of murdering Aazria. The entire case was one awful trial by media and a huge miscarriage of justice. Lindy's autobiography, "Through My Eyes" is a harrowing but must-read for anyone who wants to know more about the case. The way the forensic scientists who made such claims about the car having blood spatter ll over its underside could continue to work in the field and even to give evidence in other criminal cases is baffling and enough to anger anyone who knows how wrong they were about the Chamberlain case.

[@susankelly5695]

Dingoes are capable, however the dogs around this campsite in Ulhuru had plenty of tucker, their own from small mammals, and what the campers fed them. I've been there twice, it is more than safe, oh and the Chamberlains camped there during the coldest time of the year, ground temp in the minus, with a little baby!

[@nancyjones6780]

I have been interested in this case since I saw A Cry In The Dark many years ago. Ayers Rock has been the backdrop for a few creepy incidents. I saw a recent interview with Lindy Chamberlain and she couldn't have been more lovely. It seems like the shock of the incident really may have taken over and sabotaged their behavior? Additionally it seems like the jury and prosecution was swept up in sensationalism of the case. All around so sad. I love the whole aspect you presented about the concept of a Dingo being guilty, or not, of a murder. Honestly when you step away from the tunnel vision the reality is that thousands of people are killed by animals every year so it's not that ludicrous. The flat affect of the 2 parents ,it seems, is what really got under people's skin. Thanks again for another cool topic and CONGRATULATIONS ON 300K❤❤

[@bonitajordan6825]

Thank you for covering the Chamberlain case Dr. Grande. In 2017 my travel group camped near Uluru and were warned about the dangers posed by snakes and dingos. A dingo wandered freely through our camp ground. They are beautiful animals - sleek, muscular and dangerous predators. The Chamberlains were tried by the media most especially Lindy who was victimized by the misogyny of the police, sloppy investigations and “ professionals” guilt was presumed. Innocence was not.

[@billyjean2960]

"I guess they did not want to impune the dingoes character"

[@Dana-712FifthAve]

Very good of them! I love dingoes!

[@juliadixon4810]

**impugn**

[@billyjean2960]

@@juliadixon4810 Thank you was having trouble with that one!

[@chakibleeb]

What did they think dingos did for food? Go grocery shopping?

[@pablodmdp]

*industry*

[@kathalloran5828]

I'm from Australia and dingo attacks on kids aren't that uncommon, there is one island not so far from me where you just can't camp due to this. The Chamberlain case is burnt into my memory, I was a kid myself when it happened, virtually everyone took the dingoes side, the general opinion was that the parents were murderers or one of the kids did it and the parents were covering it up. As an adult I find it so unnerving that in the wake of such a brutal tragedy the parents had to not only face such accusations but that Lindy was wrongly convicted and spent years in prison. This case ought serve as a harsh reminder to all of what injustices, power plays , and gossiping communities can do to innocent peoples lives.

[@anniezzi7513]

Kat Halloran are you referring to Fraser Island?

[@kathalloran5828]

@@anniezzi7513 yes.

[@goldenautumn3073]

Amen.

[@jessejordan8116]

I'm shocked you didn't try to make a diagnosis of the dingo! "the dingo in the case was a real dingo so I should stress I'm not trying to diagnose any dingo but just speculating about what might be happening with a dingo in a situation similar to this" 😂

[@BelindaTN]

LOL.

[@kaym.2854]

😂 😂 😂

[@susanjerrell9220]

Now that made me LOL!

[@jeandarling9376]

😂😂

[@judis3476]

OMG, 🤣🤣🤣

[@ForwardLooking832]

I was 13 and living in the Northern Territory (Darwin) when this happened. We previously were living in Alice Springs which is the town closest to Ayres Rock (as it was called back then, but now known as Uluru). My parents and every adult I knew immediately formed a very strong opinion that the mother did it based largely on her behaviour in front of the TV cameras, and also the so called experts on the TV that presenters would talk to all dismissed the idea a dingo could ever do this. Once a strong opinion like that is formed its almost impossible to change peoples minds. Dingos are relatively small-medium sized dogs (compared to an adult human) and were considered quite skittish and timid. Back then we had one as a pet for a short time. They are not the most intelligent dogs and are more opportunists like jackels or coyotes. At least that the way most thought of them, as fairly harmless to humans, especially as they didnt really run in packs like wolves. The thinking was they simply didnt have the smarts to follow and plot a baby snatch, or even how to get into a tent. Forgetting of course its a harsh part of the world with little food readily available, but like other wild animals they likely began to be influenced by humans and started hanging around camps and thieving what they could, a bit like bears. I also note that people from that era, my parents and grandparents, who were hard workers in simple employment tended to put people that were highly educated on pedestals and everything that came out their mouths were true and gospel. They wouldn't question doctors or judges or "professionals" in their fields because they believe in the honesty and integrity of such highly educated people, and unlikely to ever be wrong. No one needed a second opinion. All of this info set up a sort of cognitive dissonance and once evidence to the contrary started to appear that indeed a dingo might have done it, it was pretty much impossible to change their minds. I expect judges were equally persuaded. It was a sad period of time for these people.

[@goldenautumn3073]

And also, the Prosecution evidence was faulty - very faulty. The claims of blood tested and found in their car were absolute rubbish - the 'reagent' used to test the 'foetal blood' claimed to be splattered in the front of their car turned out later to be not even capable of testing for blood at all. But this was never fully revealed or investigated. People who tried very hard to put Lindy away in prison for '99 years' as the NT Attorney General claimed he would be happy to see happen, imo should have themselves been imprisoned.

[@Zozette27]

I was still in hospital after giving birth to my son when I heard about Azaria’s death. My first words were ‘Oh, the poor mother’. I always believed Lindy was innocent especially after hearing Sally Lowe speak. Sally was so certain that she had heard a baby cry. When she was asked if it could have been a bird Sally said that she was a mother and she knew a baby’s cry. Sally never wavered in her belief that she heard Azaria’s cry.

[@Jesterjones9073]

Excellent dingo humour Doc. I hate that the media and the average Joe Soap vilified this couple he way they did. I lived in South Africa at the time this story broke and just 5 years later moved to New Zealand. NZ, being close to Australia the story here was huge. That family was treat horribly. They could do nothing right, the weren’t sad enough, they were too happy, they dressed in the wrong clothes.... It seems that living in the 19th and 20th centuries has not moved us too far from our ancestral history of wanting that witch hunt! RIP Azaria

[@darlene3318]

I was 22 and recently married and a nurse and remember following the case and the fascination the world had. I can't imagine how the family suffered from intense pressure. I always thought they were innocent.

[@hoopyy782]

The last two minutes are just a straight up stand up routine. I love it.

[@JasonX00]

In my opinion, having the dingo being the cause of Azaria's death would have impacted greatly on NT. That is what I believe their mindset was. There was the hurried conviction. The NT Government and police force were on international display. They wanted to be seen as a capable justice system. Plus the tourism industry. Ayre's Rock, as it was know then was a huge tourist attraction. It is now called by it's traditional name, Uluru.

[@goldenautumn3073]

It proved, very tragically, how many people just cannot face, and even actually hate, the truth. This case was an absolute travesty of justice.

[@josephblackstudios]

I appreciate your approach to controversial topics, and I'd love to hear you take on the psychopathology and case of O. J. Simpson.

[@jeanfish7]

I would have been one of those " cold mothers " because when I found my son dead, I didn't cry during the time paramedics and even the coroner visits before my so was taken for autopsy

[@larneyful]

I am sorry for your loss. Thanks for sharing.

[@goldenautumn3073]

We are all different in how we might react under shock and disbelief, especially in such a horrific event such as this one. Shock can put a 'stall' on even expressing emotions for some time. If you take the recent murder of the Ballarat woman in Victoria, Australia, the husband showed no emotion until weeks after it happened.

[@longwhitemane]

Thanks for covering this story. I think of this story as a prime example of the suspects being tried in the media, and the prosecutors using the headlines rather than the evidence to create their case. Dingos are opportunistic, so if one one really looks at the evidence, there is absolutely no reason a that a dingo could not have killed this poor child.

[@dorothyedge2747]

I never knew any of this at all. I heard Elaine say it on a Seinfeld episode and there was alot of laughter, but I didn't understand why. So now I know. I will never utter that phrase. It disrespects that poor little baby and it's horrific death.

[@goldenautumn3073]

It's usually the ones who think they know everything that are fastest at passing judgement - and then blowing their own foot off.

[@latoyaglvr]

I look forward to these videos every day. I say out loud, "What does Dr. Grande have in store for us today?" And my boyfriend responds, "Hopefully a big one." These brighten our day. Thanks Doctor! Healing comes in many forms. We celebrated one year clean recently and most of those days consisted of watching your increasingly hilarious videos!!!

[@chrisfromsouthaus2735]

Dingoes are stealthy af. My wife and I where hiking in the Australian Alps, when we found a set of huge dingo paw prints in the snow, in a spot we had just been through less than a minute before. Would have to have been within 30 meters of us, yet we never saw or heard a thing.

[@ladymopar2024]

Yes they are very stealthy and they will stalk their prey you have Rogue bears that will do that and you have wolf that do that pretty darn scary

[@indigenousaquarian3112]

Does Australia have Alps? Where are they?

[@chrisfromsouthaus2735]

@@indigenousaquarian3112 They're the southern part of a mountain range that runs down the entire east coast of Australia. The snow is only seasonal, even on the highest peaks, but it's enough that there are half a dozen decent sized ski resorts.

[@goldenautumn3073]

They're like sharks, crocs and snakes: stealth is the secret of their success, and they live their entire lives looking for their next meal.

[@Dizzydollie7]

Dingo mafia! Would you do a video about your own OCEAN scores? That may be uncomfortable for you but it would be interesting. Especially if you begin with “I’m not diagnosing myself because I’m a real person, I’m just speculating on what could be going on in a case like this.”

[@kaym.2854]

What case though? Would it be like he's analyzing himself on the way he analyzed someone on a previous video? 😂

[@luke0b708]

The reason she was blamed was so the incident wouldn't affect tourism there. Everyone here knew it was the dingos.

[@shojinryori]

“Manatee” jacket 😂 You said it correctly the first time, “matinee” jacket: a knitted lacy cardigan for a baby.

[@surfingthedarkness]

🤣 so cute to think of a Manatee in a jacket. And great to see Dr. Grande makes mistakes too 😉

[@kirschrot77]

Thought the same , but don't the Manatee need their jackets ?

[@guzelguzel6481]

😂😅😂😅😂😅😂 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ (×_×)

[@kirschrot77]

@Jennmardo * Yes it is a sea mammal, also known as sea cow, very cute and lacy little jackets , especially in pastels make them look adorable

[@surfingthedarkness]

@@kirschrot77 🤣 they definitely do!

[@cindyrhodes]

All day long, I've been saying "Dingo ate my baybay," and I have laughed. After thinking about this, I feel absolutely horrible for being so insensitive! Sheesh. What that poor woman must have gone thru.......

[@JV-zt8yh]

Dr Grande. Have you considered to analyse Jack the Ripper? I thought that would be interesting

[@h.borter5367]

I thought he was a Polish immigrant. A barber's assistant.🤷

[@JV-zt8yh]

Yes the idea is what mental health characteristics we can read from what we know. I am just surprised that Dr Grande has done so many cases and this that is so high profile and famous not yet. So I thought to ask

[@janewright315]

Yeah, but ones that are not as well known would be more interesting imo. Also there are those for which there is question as to whether or not they did the things of which they were accused. Gilles de Rais (he I do not think committed those crimes), Darya Nikolaevna Saltikova (she, unlike Countess Bathory, did do this I think), etc.

[@JV-zt8yh]

Am better then everyone and Everything am a GOD remember he never diagnoses anyone. It’s more of profiling and speculating what kind of person could have been behind the crimes

[@terrijamison9154]

Remember when this happened. The police just wanted a conviction

[@goldenautumn3073]

Absolutely. And the NT Government's Attorney-General announced publicly at the time that he didn't care if she 'rotted in jail for 99 years'. And Lindy was entirely INNOCENT! We now live in fear of our so-called justice system.

[@margaretcampbell2681]

I worked with the Dingo expert who was called as the expert witness in her first trial. His name was Les Harris. He testified for the defence. Les told me many examples of his own dingos, (that I actually saw in his van in the car park) doing odd things like taking steaks out of wrapping paper that left hardly left a noticeable mark on the wrapping paper. Les believed the dingo did take the baby and after he gave me the examples of dingo behaviour I believed him. This was a witch-hunt for Lindys guilt, a horrible reflection on Australian society. Lindy was hounded for so many years. This is an excellent summary of this sad case. Thank you for giving justice to her case.

[@ivygardiner633]

Hi Dr. Grande Ayres Rock is a name no longer used due to it as a name given by white settlers. Correct name is Uluru

[@shawneevee7490]

This case is close to my heart because I grew up in the church the Chamberlain's are part of and have lived in Australia myself. Lindy was treated horribly and partly because of her faith. Horrible assumptions were made about her and sadly many people still believe them.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

Our criminal justice systems seem to function better with commonly seen crimes (as well as bereaved who act in a socially approved, typical fashion) than in ones with rare, even unbelievable, circumstances. But rare events do happen. A healthy 19 year old adult woman was killed by coyotes, which was not known to be possible until this occurrence. In 2009 Toronto folk singer Taylor Mitchell was fatally mauled by coyotes in Cape Breton Highlands National Park, Canada. The coyotes, who appeared fearless, were observed by other hikers, who heard strange sounds, enlisted others to join them, then came upon Mitchell being attacked. She was conscious when found but died at the hospital of blood loss.

[@mrs.reluctant4095]

Absolutely correct. Have a great day, Evelyn. 🙂

[@Equikitt]

I’ve been binge watching your channel these past months! I’d be super interested in seeing an analysis on the Armin Meiwes and/or Luka Magnotta case.

[@Positivevibes-tq5mg]

Thanks for the great analysis. Law enforcement agents should be watching these videos

[@echo2064]

That poor baby girl

[@TheYacu]

This video prompted me to watch a documentary about dingos. Super fascinating!!!

[@billielove8729]

It's interesting seeing this story analysed here. As a psych student I'm a regular watcher of these videos. As an Aussie I remember a lot of media coverage of this case, repeatedly over the years. At the time, it was never believed that a dingo was capable of harming a baby. This was the crux of why the Chamberlains were not believed. It is only in recent years that more dingo attacks (on Fraser island) have changed people's perspectives on the dingoes as potentially dangerous predators. As a child, I grew up camping on Fraser Island, and on guided tours, we were encouraged to hand-feed the dingoes. i remember one camping trip, when a dingo stole a pencil case from one of my schoolmate's tents and we all ran through the rainforrest, following a trail of coloured pencils, chasing the dingo down. It seems insane now. One of my first jobs in Hervey Bay was in tourism. At the time, I was sharing a house with the head of the CIB (lead detective at the police department) when a dingo ripped apart 2 little boys. My housemate told me that the crime scene photos were the most brutal and upsetting he had ever witnessed. A couple of years ago another toddler was dragged from a vehicle by a dingo. They're big dogs, and incredibly smart. They may seem friendly like domestic animals, but they are wild, and dangerous. One of my psych professors at CQUniversity has done a number of interesting behavioural studies on dingos, which you might be interested in checking out. His name is Dr Bradley Smith.

[@michellecollins4974]

Dr Grande, can you do a video on the concept of stoicism as a philosophy?

[@anthonykennedy5324]

In 2018, my wife and I attended a play, Letters to Lindy, in Brisbane. It was based on the 20,000 letters ( both for and against) that Lindy received and had annotated and catalogued. At the end of the play Lindy did a Q & A on stage . That week she flew from her house on the Sunshine Coast to Sydney to attend the funeral of Harry M Miller, her famous agent. A truly impressive woman. The most memorable theatrical experience of my life.

[@familythomas2828]

I would love a breakdown of Amy/Sammy from Amy's Baking Company as seen on Kitchen Nightmares. I found that whole situation incredibly bizarre

[@patriciabarajas7925]

"I guess they didn't want to impugn the dingo's character..." I had a chuckle over that.

[@raquellofstedt9713]

It was the wallabies, dammit! they're a dangerous breed!

[@TheWorldAccordingToLouise]

Aw, I remember this case... well, I remember hearing about it. Thank you for covering it - you're awesome.

[@dianamarie5663]

When there is a major event like a death in the family I slip into a stoic response, a British stiff upper lip trait. If I break my favorite coffee mug it's drama time. A person's demeanor is not a reliable indication of their private feelings or guilt.

[@retyroni]

Ha! Same here. I once assisted in community recovery following a natural disaster and found as many as half the victims had a stoic response at first, leaping into action to help others, being those local heroes the media always single out, etc. I was privileged to still be there 3 or 4 weeks later when their stoicism wore off and it was their turn to need support. The stoic are only human, after all. I have no anecdotes regarding coffee mug disasters, however.

[@Adara007]

Thank you for addressing this case, Dr. Grande, and for being objective in what has been, from the beginning of the matter in Australia where I lived, a matter fraught with emotions and prejudices. This was a major case during the 80s in Australia and I vividly recall various arguments amongst fellow school students about the matter - most of whom parroted their parents' views that Lindy Chamberlain was guilty of killing Azaria and many heated arguments went on about this. It seemed that everyone was talking about it, and had an opinion with the overwhelming majority of people at the time believing in Lindy's guilt. Having lost a daughter born a few years after myself to SIDS, both my mother and father were very sensitive to any parent losing a infant and as both were religious they were more sensitive to the actual evidence, to the Chamberlains' situation - the Chamberlains were deemed suspicious by many due to their religious beliefs. "Through My Eyes", the autobiography by Lindy Chamberlain, thoroughly details the miscarriage of justice in this case, and it's a harrowing but important read for anyone wanting to understand what went on. The so-called 'expert witnesses' called on by the Northern Territory's Prosecution were so wrong about such critical matters, such as one forensic scientist claiming the underside of the Chamberlains' car was covered in infant's blood when it turned out to be rust. And these forensic scientists were still able to continue working in the field despite their incompetence. .

[@thomascrumb6286]

I know I keep bothering you about an analysis of Bobby Fischer. We in the chess community debate on if he had Asperges or any other mental health issues. There are many in chess who believe he had been a victim of jealousy and in fact many of his cries about prearrangement in games were proven true. If you do not wish to do a video on him just let me know and I will not bother you with it again. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

[@juliadixon4810]

Of course he does. It's almost part of the job description.

[@geraldfriend256]

Oh hell yes obvious pathological problems with Fisher or just super creepy spoiled brat..f dup either way

[@lenasamzelius5530]

Yes, Dr. Grande, please do a video on Bobby Fischer. It would be highly interesting! Thank you for this analysis. Poor baby, poor family.

[@coweatsman]

I have heard that a paranoid disposition is an advantage in playing chess and some chess champions have been pretty wacko.

[@thomascrumb6286]

Gerald Friend I wouldn’t say spoiled brat when he had no father and his mother practically abandoned him at the age of 15. Also they were destitute and lived in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in new york.

[@GetMeThere1]

I heard this quote/idea in a movie, but I can't remember which one: Juries have the psychological perspective of assigning blame, rather than examining "reasonable doubt." Something bad happened, and "someone" must be to blame. They will then "blame" the most likely person -- but blame must be assigned, as they view it.

[@annme_87]

This case still has people *deeply* decided, even into the early 2000's. When I was in highschool, I wrote a report on Lindy Chamberlain's case for my law class. I pointed out that Lindy was convicted without a shred of physical evidence so I believed her conviction was unfair and heavily influenced by the media circus surrounding her. My law teacher interrupted my oral presentation about the case several times to argue with me. He even asked "Do you think a dingo is actually capable of making a baby completely disappear? " I tried to hold my ground and said " I don't know what a dingo is capable of, I've never seen one, but people on trial are expected to be innocent until proven guilty without a doubt. I don't think there was enough physical evidence to prove Lindy guilty. My teacher actually told me I could sit down before I finished reading my report. He teased me about dingoes being guilty in every other case we discussed for the rest of the semester.

[@lenasamzelius5530]

Be proud that you held your ground. Well done. What an inappropriate behavior of a teacher!

[@angelatheriault8855]

Wow, and that person was teaching law! Imagine being that closed-minded and unable to listen long enough to learn something new or even listen to another person’s opinion. Also, it was completely unprofessional as a teacher to mock a student. Of course they would claim they were only joking which in my opinion is an excuse for bad behavior.

[@applesmae1845]

Oh my goodness this is such a fascinating case. I remember the story as w child. So sad. Always brilliant videos by a brilliant mind!!! Thank you. 🇬🇧❤

[@carmelhughesparolya899]

Always had a keen interest in this particular case, thank you Dr. Grande for you impeccable delivery as per usual 🐕💜

[@cindyrhodes]

What a horrible situation! I remember when this happened 💀 and the behavior of this couple did nothing for their case, but the natural behaviors of dingos mafia would. Lol (Wasn't it Meryl Streep who played in the movie?) This case is proof that people depend on a standard of behavior; deviations from cultural standards are disturbing. There will ALWAYS be a need for psychological evaluation and logical thinking like Dr. Grande's.

[@Adara007]

Totally in agreement with you here. Certainly the NT police and the media definitely were convinced of the guilt of the Chamberlains and unfortunately their behaviour in public didn't help their case - Lindy had vowed not to cry in public if she could avoid it, being innately a very private person and stoic when it came to expressing emotions especially ones that expressed vulnerability such as tears/crying, and she tended to be forthright in explaining the way a dingo would take any prey and did so to journalists and in court. That was eagerly lapped up by the media who then either insinuated or overtly proclaimed Lindy's guilt. And Michael Chamberlain, who was a Minister at the time and very devout in his religious beliefs, had asked those who had helped search for Azaria at the campsite near Uluru (then called Ayer's Rock) to pray with him and he had said what had happened must be "God's will". That together with his continuing to take photographs of places after Azaria was taken - photography being one of his passions besides the church - unsettled many people who believed Michael could not have been emotionally affected by Azaria's death and therefore must be a co-conspirator to his wife murdering their baby. Meryl Streep did play Lindy Chamberlain in the film, "Evil Angels" and from that movie the rest of the world learned about this case which, at the time, it seemed every Australian was talking about. It alo seemed that most people thought Lindy was guilty. My parents, being both religious themselves - although Baptist and not Seventh-Day Adventists - and also having lost a daughter (who was born just over a year after myself) to SIDS were inclined to believe the Chamberlains and that they were innocent. I remember vividly the other school kids arguing about the matter and almost all of them - who at the time were about 11 and 12 years old - had adopted their parents' opinion which was that Lindy had murdered Azaria. Many also parroted the ridiculous claim that Azaria's name itself meant "sacrifice in the wilderness". As someone who undertook a double major for my first (University) degree, one of which was in Classical Hebrew (and including other Middle Eastern languages), I think that claim was a real egregious error made by someone who had heard of the demon Azazel, a demon believed to inhabit the deserts and the wilderness, and who maybe mixed that up with the Hebrew Archangel Azrael who has, in Arabic sources primarily, been associated with being an Angel of Death - Arabic sources refer to the Angel involved with the deaths of all Egypt's newborn or firstborn male babies in the Book of Exodus as Azrael. Unfortunately, this presumption about the meaning of Azaria's name continued to be propagated by the media so it was added to the claims that Lindy murdered her baby with the fact they were Seventh-Day Adventists and claims that denomination was a cult used to explain that the death was a deliberate sacrifice by cult members. The autobiography by Lindy Chamberlain-Creighton, as she's been known since divorcing Michael Chamberlain and marrying an American, called "Through My Eyes" is a harrowing but a must-read for anyone who wants to know about the case. I bought it some years ago now and although I knew a reasonable amount about the matter, the book really opened my eyes to the ordeal the Chamberlains endured, and to just how deep the rot went in regards to the NT police, the Prosecution's so-called 'expert witnesses' completely incorrect claims which unfortunately helped convince the jury of the Chamberlains' guilty - one of whom, despite claiming the Chamberlains' car had blood from an infant all over its underside when it turned out to be either rust and/or a type of paint treatment, continued to receive gainful employment as a forensic scientist despite being proved completely incorrect about the Chamberlains' car, and she also continued to give evidence as an 'expert witness' in other court cases. There was such a miscarriage of justice where this case is concerned. To this day there are people who haven't taken much time to learn about the case and yet are absolutely convinced that Lindy killed Azaria. I've learned not to bother trying to dispute the facts with them as they're the type of individual prone to latching onto wild conspiracy theories and to ignore any evidential support to the contrary and that doesn't fit in with their belief systems.

[@mzliberty7647]

with love from Australia... its also that the Dingo was and is an Australian icon.. and us aussies were feeling personally attacked when ppl would say 'the dingo was a baby killer'... good job Dr Todd.. x

[@babygloriagetsomesleep3826]

Dr Grande has been saving my butt from his ‘ explaining Statistics’ days He’s taught me so much. These recent uploads have taught me how to analyse psychological information and present impartial discussions based on evidence. 👍🏻🇦🇺🌟 you rock Dr Grande.

[@rayross997]

Coyotes killed a young woman in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia a few years ago. They are about the size of a dingo and the young woman was an adult. The dingo case was a real injustice, thankfully the mom was proven innocent.

[@joannschlicker6995]

Years later, they found the child's jacket up by the dingo's den.

[@serendipitous_synchronicity]

Thank you Dr Grande. I was a very young child when this happened.. it wasn't until I was much older that I realised, not only did they lose their baby to a dingo, their lives were devastated by charges (conviction) that couldn't hold water!

[@mylittlecutie174]

Great job on this Dr Grande, I enjoyed your summary. I would love you to cover the Robert Durst case.

[@teenieneenie630]

Absolutely! That would be a handful but, if anyone could do it justice it would be Dr. Grande.

[@goodintentionslifecoaching]

Unbelievable case ! Great analysis Doc and thank you!

[@kellyannallen2454]

Tragic! I never really knew the whole story.Thank you 😉Dr.Grande

[@wheatstonebridge]

Dr. Grande, I love how you just go right to the topic discussion

[@goldenautumn3073]

I was a court reporter at the time of these events and also went to all meetings held by the eyewitnesses present that night at Ayer's Rock and including the evidence of aboriginal trackers. Nobody supported the prosecution's claims and yet the eyewitnesses' and trackers' testimonies were overall ignored by the NT government, Police and prosecutors. It instead seemed a quest was on to imprison her for life because the Chamberlains being found innocent would have made the Northern Territory government appear inept and incompetent (which I believe later became obvious). I was particularly astounded at how willing other Australians were to hang, draw and quarter the Chamberlains. Their responses and reactions may have been different to how other people THOUGHT they 'should' react in the face of such serious pressure and allegations, but that doesn't mean they were murderers or that anybody has the right to judge them for such a serious crime - especially with no evidence of that crime being even produced. It was all based on their public reactions to continued media harassment, public gossip and outright slander. We are all different in upbringing, nature, mannerisms, way of thinking etc. and respond under severe stress, in different ways. The Chamberlains imo were very seriously wronged and should have received about 10 times more than they did, especially as their children suffered also. Terrible prejudice, ignorance and hate presided in this case, which had little to do with actual evidence or truth.

[@siewheilou399]

So the locals of Ayer Rock actually said there were dingos in the area and there were signs of dingos near the camp site? How did it become that there was no dingos near Ayers Rock then?

[@lilyrose739]

I was about 8 when this happened and it was in the news every day for months, one of the arguments was a dingo couldn't get a baby out of a jumpsuit so they put a baby goat in one and sure enough the dingo got it out. But the real story was tourism in Alice Springs and Ayers rock was familys that camped and they knew no one would come after this so the pressure was on

[@catelyngrace3870]

I remember when you had 10,000 subs! So crazy!

[@mrs.reluctant4095]

Wow. You must be subscriber for some years now...

[@nicolasmansilla8589]

Well, I requested this analysis so I'm happy the Doc did it. Thanks Dr. Big!

[@nd612]

Analysis of what?

[@WiteDahlia]

I love it when Dr. Grande makes me laugh 😆

[@andraste6746]

I remember this happening so clearly even though I was a child. This family went through hell. I don’t know how people think there is a handbook for how to cope when something tragic happens to your child. I disagree that travelling with a 9 week old doesn’t seem wise. I think with your first child you probably wouldn’t but by the time you have a third child they pretty much go everywhere. To camp with an older baby/toddler would be much more challenging so I can see making that trip at this time. The police also didn’t give any credence to Aboriginal trackers that supported Lindy’s case.

[@trishtuthill6107]

This was a case I was hoping you’d do. I live in New Zealand and we have three fascinating and controversial cases that I’d love you to look into. 1) David Bain case 2) Mark Lundy case and 3) Ben & Olivia disappearance case. Would be fantastic to hear your analysis on these cases.

[@victoriasherlock4598]

Most heartbreaking case and I remember it well. All about tourism from start to finish.

[@ABCABC-fn4fg]

I'm Australian and remember this case very well. It was a trial by media, and yes the dingo did it. Since that case there have been a number of attacks , some fatal, by dingos.

[@verosdes]

De. Grande, could you please look at the Poquianchis’ case please? This is an old case but I really think your expertise on mental health and personality characteristics would add to our understanding of this particular set of people and circumstances. The Poquianchis sisters usually refers to Delfina and María de Jesús González, although there were other two sisters involved. They were serial killers active in the 50’s and 60’s in Mexico. They lured young women to enslave them for sexual work and then killed them when they deemed them no longer useful or profitable. Three of them were convicted to 40 years in prision, two died while incarcerated of natural causes. This was a very famous case and has inspired movies, plays and novels but I have not heard of an analysis from a mental health perspective. Thank you.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Well I can't say I saw this one coming. It's funny, I think most Aussies are pretty sick of hearing about the Chamberlain case. Imo it's pretty shitty what happened to them. Such a mess. Always a great video though, Dr Grande

[@resourcedragon]

Note to a bloke from an older woman: baby clothes have odd names, (e.g. bootees, or, for that matter, jump suit. How many babies go parachuting?) Matinee jackets fit into that category. The word is derived from the French word for morning, namely _matin._ In Australia, day time film screenings are called "matinees". The jacket is pronounced the same way. . Manatees are also known as "dugongs". They are sea mammals, also sometimes known as sea cows and their closest land relatives are elephant, the hyrax and the aardvark. They have nothing to do with baby clothes.

[@ambylam]

2:03 this struck a chord with me because my dad had a similar... i guess i would call it a... break from reality(?) when my sister was hit by a car when we were both children. her injuries were extremely painful but superficial. but my dad reacted like she had died. he became extremely religious and right-wing politically and has never really recovered. its weird how learning about, what seems like such a trivial detail in this case, could lead me to one of the most important epiphanies of my life. lol 😆

[@js6546]

Just subscribed! Congrats on 305K! Love your channel :)

[@laliawilson9937]

Dingos are not "wild dogs." They are a separate canine species. Humans are too unfamiliar with wild animals and should know more before going out into the wilderness. That ignorance leads people to make mistakes like that which resulted in the untimely death of Azaria. It was tragic. I was a new mother on the other side of the world, yet followed this case.

[@annereidy7981]

I like your style Doc Grande, this glove fits better than some! But this is a really sad one, and I think it's a precedent for all those following, guilty by public voyeurism !

[@bluecat2741]

Thank you, I enjoy your crime analysis series very much!

[@Mycatsname]

There were 2 boys and 1 baby in the tent! The eldest boy witnessed the dingo carrying his baby sister away! No one asked the boys if they saw anything, and I think they are the reason Lindy’s behaviour was a little odd. She was grieving for her little girl and trying to shield her boys from the media madness that surrounded them and then the suspicion that surrounded them after that! What still gets to me though is that this story has made a place in history, there are movies, mini series, magazine newspaper articles, law discussions, psychology discussions, what role the media played in the story discussions, it devastated a family, divided Australians and the world into guilty or not guilty, I think it was the first truly world crime, everyone in the world knew about it and had an opinion on it and the media made millions of it and that started the global press/paparazzi movement. The only 2 people that I have ever seen talk about baby Azaria is Lindy and her eldest son that still cries when he talks about watching his sister get dragged away! No one else! Not even the dad! Lindy is the only person that keeps reminding us that her baby was horribly killed by a dingo and that she misses her! That more than anything else looking back at this story shows me what road civilisation has taken!

[@gsafadi2]

Dr. Grande, im really missing those videos talking about the thoughts of the personality disordered. Any of those coming in the future ?

[@roncriswell2685]

They found the baby's skull a few years ago and showed a dingo was in fact responsible.

[@harleyanne3720]

Dr. Grande could you do an evaluation of the baby Sabrina case. Thanks.

[@tc3d_]

I would love to get your analysis of Enneagram typology. is it a useful model of personality?

[@Adara007]

As a 5 - 5w4 to be specific - I would also like to hear his analysis of this model of personality.

[@rebeccamarrujo3849]

Dr. Todd is the best!!! I love watching him before bedtime.

[@lynnemarkgraf8689]

I recall this tragic case distinctly. I've often wondered why we don't see "A Cry in the Dark" despite a great Streep performance. Another interesting analysis of a case that rocked Australia. When I was there in 1988, it was still a hot topic. Glad you found this case and analyzed it for us.

[@anniezzi7513]

Your thoroughness of all the cases you present must take a tremendous amount of work. You deserve the rapid growth of this channel. I notice the extra 11K extra subs in just a few days. Well deserved.

[@Homeheart1]

There was another story of a dingo taking a baby(toddler) on Fraser Island. That little one survived, its left lots of different scars, ptsd and an experience they can not forget on the whole family. Australia can appear at times deceptively safe, but most Aussies already know when to be cautious and when things are not ok to go near or do. At present because of what is happening in nature and the earth right now some of the animals are becoming a lot more aggressive than they normally would be and the animals don't listen when they go through their trauma and freak out mode or when their natural hunting predatory instincts kick in, they are wild. When you go bush or outback or in the wilderness have good survival skills, particularly when you go camping. Just don't take your babies camping at this time.

[@kavitadeva]

Hi Dr Grande. It never ceases to amaze me how law enforcement, the legal system police Etc are so prone to completely ruin a case. It happens so often I wonder how many people are innocent that are stuck in prison. It really makes me angry hearing this case. Another thing is why do people attach so much meaning on how a person responds to grief or Terror or the loss of a child. The people that find them guilty have never been in that position so they don't know how they would act. How tragic for this family but at least they got their over $1000000 award given by I guess the state or let's say the government. I like your analysis of this case. It was really good and thorough. Thanks again for making this video it was very interesting. But to me extremely upsetting regarding how people read into things and have to come up with a verdict, normally about the parents. Have a good day.

[@danmenzel7229]

It's chilling how this case was mismanaged. Humans at their worst.

[@SabotPottery]

It was huge in Australia at the time, being fueled by the media/current affair shows/ women magazines etc., going into meltdown. Everyone had an opinion, and the religeous police, just knew she was guilty because they were from the Seventh Day Adventist church which were considered nearly satanic (Australians at the time were mostly either Catholic or Church of England). I believe she moved away from Australia to live in the USA after the marriage fell apart, so very sad.

[@aircastles1013]

SabotPottery ....she lives in Queensland, not far from where I live. Still with her second husband. She is okay now 💐

[@MelaniaRose]

I’m from the Northern Territory where it happened. It was very sad how it took nearly 30 years, wrongful jail time and countless inquiries for it to be finally resolved.

[@RiversRun597]

That account Lindy gave of the behaviour of dingoes was the SEVENTH take according to the interviewers / producers. Reason being that Lindy kept breaking down and they told her she had to stay calm or they couldn't continue. But no one knew that.

[@giacattiva]

Aussie fan & gasped when this appeared in newsfeed 😮 It’s “A DINGO STOLE MY BABY” 🐕

[@echo2064]

That's what made you gasp? Alrighty...

[@mzliberty7647]

@@echo2064 ... LOL

[@lg316]

It's actually "A dingo ate my baby"

[@ericarobinson1236]

Gia Cattiva me too! This case was the very first time I ever saw a news report and emotionally felt something (as a young child). I still remember where I was and what I was doing when I first heard and I have very few childhood memories

[@serendipitous_synchronicity]

@@lg316 as I remember it.

[@gracetheginganinja]

I love that you give us your opinion but also present different ideas and try to keep things neutral