Destiny 3: My Version

[@benodoms5181]

My friends all quit. Its just my wife and I now, our clan of 16 down to 2. If its not fun, we dont play

[@austincarnahan6584]

If you two need a clan to run in again lemme know. Mine is run by me and 4 admins. 40 people in it. And we have a clan discord. Would love to add you :)

[@JaseyBOIIII]

@@austincarnahan6584pls can you let me jn

[@shuelonglo]

Same thing...my clan was with average 10 people on...now it's only 2 and maybe 3 to do daily or exotic mission

[@davidalbergo2]

Same..ive gravitated to Warframe..

[@JaseyBOIIII]

@@austincarnahan6584can u invite me

[@angelalcala7775]

A prequel of destiny would be dope. You start off as a guardian being revived in the dark age and you progress thru the history of destiny all the way up to the beginning of D1 getting more in depth of the lore and stuff that wasnt recoreded

[@bruiseleeroy7010]

Interesting idea,even if we could play other characterslike Cayde or Ikora

[@zacbourn5104]

Yeah I'd love to see that

[@ElijahRittichier]

I have a similar thought for bungie to make a story that takes place as the collapse happens and you try to stop the Fallen from destroying the constitution of the last city and you succeed but at the cost of your own life and then the screen would go black and you would hear “eyes up guardian”

[@NeoUnico]

Yea but then we go backwards and have no prismatic or darkness and it'll be like vanilla d1

[@zacbourn5104]

@@NeoUnico we could still have darkness powers remember drifter has been using darkness for centuries

[@animegamer262447]

I can never tell how serious Aztecross is when he says some of the stuff he does. And it's that chaotic energy that keeps me coming back to his videos.

[@TheHermitsQuarters]

Yeah this needed a /s on the end. If it's not sarcasm then they wasted the evil red filter on the earlier part of the video. I think he was spitballing and realized how dumb it was so leaned into it. Aztecross knows his game-play Destiny 2 shit, but this was another example of live stream of consciousness silliness.

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

To he's videos, yes... But not to the game if they do all that sh$^% lol

[@BlazingInferno00]

I have a friend that blames how informed we all are as gamers these days. Back in the day there weren't guides all over the Internet. There wasn't a streamer telling you what the best weapons/armor are and where to find them. So the grind occupied u longer where nowadays people play so efficiently that they run out of stuff to do that much quicker

[@moontreecollective6718]

This is 100% it. I remember the magic of having the printed map of morrowind out on my desk and exploring and not having a clue what I might find…

[@bobousification]

I disagree with your friend. Access to information isn’t the problem. Incentive to play is. You can spend time watching guides on how to get the next exotic drop or how to complete a master raid or something. But once that’s done, that’s it. There no real reason to go grind for better armor once you get 100 in resilience and discipline.. there’s no real reason to grind raids once you get your raid exotic and whatever rolls/patterns you want. For many players, the problem becomes replayability because there’s nothing motivating the grind anymore. For me, armor drops literally don’t matter to me anymore, I’m happy with all of my weapons and don’t feel a need to chase the “new god rolls” because I already have amazing weapons for all scenarios. A guide from a KZbinr might make that faster but the player can also just choose to figure it out for themselves. I think it’s the wrong approach to view destiny’s problems as an external thing such as access to information

[@kylecardella1276]

Content in destiny 1 was harder because we had less power intrinsically through subclasses than we do now, making the exotic weapons carry more weight and more desirable. And even with 3 people the nightfalls were still hard. Now in D2, you can walk into GMs with blue weapons and getaway artist prismatic and solo it

[@icarusrising2787]

Couldn't have said it better. It's also much better to prefer a cool down than to handle ammo economy. Now, when in doubt, switch to outbreak or something and have infinite ammo on one of the strongest primaries in the game

[@BotFisherman]

​​@@icarusrising2787 infinite ammo + rewind rounds, you almost never stop firing in dire situations

[@mrinferno1571]

its also player skill and knowledge

[@smokedout7129]

No, average skill players or people below average shouldn't be punished for what higher skilled players can do. Most of the player base is not soloing GMs, farming multiple full raid runs a day, going flawless, every time trials comes up, etc. To act like it's something most players can easily start doing is ignorant. How many people do you see running around with conqueror or the title from doing pantheon? Exactly

[@icarusrising2787]

@smokedout7129 there's a difference between raising the skill floor vs skill ceiling. Rewind on outbreak or getaway on prismatic warlock is a raise to the floor not the ceiling which gives more incentive to lower skill options and all around lowers the effort it takes to be good in high end content

[@nKuch]

Quit a long time ago but still watch vids like this time to time. Love all the oldschool runescape references because that's a game that has been firing on all cylinders for the past 4-5 years and the community is very very happy. I play it whenever I get the chance, and I have to say it's probably the best MMO on the market. Is it a grind fest? Yes. Do you get a crazy dopamine spikes whenever you finish a long grind? Yes. The big thing in OSRS right now is collection log hunting. It's essentially an impossible grind to complete that mathematically takes 150+ years to finish but everyone still grinds towards it lol. You should try OSRS sometime on stream again, if you get into raids, it's over for you. You'll be hooked. Destiny can take so many things from Destiny like clan halls/private instances, pet hunting from raid bosses for example, very rare cosmetic rewards from activities, collection log etc.

[@arisenprestige5717]

That name seems oddly familiar

[@lollygirl39]

NKUCHHHH

[@ringomandingo1015]

Nkuch IN

[@andrewlatourette2784]

Been a long time since ive seen that name man I still remember watching countless videos of you sniping in D1 that was peak

[@againstalladsgames]

A new story in a different part of the universe. New and different abilities. New alien races. Leaving earth and the tower far behind. It’s only limited by the imagination of those making this game.

[@wurp.always]

i honestly think they consider completely new aliens but dont know how to transition to them, if they dropped 9 new races all of a sudden nobody would see it as destiny

[@BotFisherman]

Maybe this time we'd actually play a character in the universe, rather than the self-insert silent god-slaying protagonist. I hate it when we're entirely silent and seem almost neutral all the time. The only time that changed and our guardian looked like we had personality was when Cayde was killed and we were full of thoughts of reveng

[@XDieKillDieX]

I think a Dark Age prequel with PvP zones would be cool.

[@ncwhit]

They tried doing that via lightfall and it was awful haha

[@icarusrising2787]

All around good ideas but like you said it's limited by their creativity and even with the lore this season that was lacking. The Qugu are lowkey hardly any different from the Psions

[@agoodtheory]

The thing for me is, almost everything I've heard Bungie say they couldn't do for whatever reason has been done successfully in Warframe. "if we add player trading, it'll kill the loot chase"; WF has it and I still love grinding for stuff regardless. "we can't fully implement weapon crafting for everything because that kills the loot chase"; again, nearly every weapon in WF is craftable, and they circumvent this issue mostly due to the expansive mod customization options. "We had to remove x content because the game was getting too big"; WF has almost every piece of content still accessible and playable in the game from the point it launched in 2013 to now. It's complicated for new players sure, but nothing's vaulted like in D2. "We can't add matchmaking to everything"; nearly every activity in WF can be done solo, with a squad, or with randoms via matchmaking. Beyond all of that, WF has stuff like space combat, aerial combat, clan bases that are fully customizable (clan dojos), pet breeding, even the in-game UI can be customized. WF is just as old as the destiny franchise and still going strong 🤷‍♂️

[@helengavigan6568]

The thing is there are some key differences. The trading thing is bang on but outside of that it’s more complicated. With weapon crafting it would kill the chase with how weapons are currently set up with regards to traits and how you unlock craftable weapons. Maybe something like you can only craft rolls of traits you have got meaning you need at least a 2/5 god roll cause barrels and stuff don’t play massive rolls. The WF comparison with regards to vaulting is a bit unfair cause warframe does have some vaulted content with raids and I believe old dark zones (didn’t play a ton at the time). But yeah the “not enough space” excuse was BS and even bungie admits it. They have been back and forward on why they didn’t since they did it. The everything matchmaking is another thing where it’s different due to how warframe styles it’s content (technically it has solo content with some story missions) but ultimately I agree that yeah. There isn’t much of a reason especially with in game fireteam finder. It would help keep fireteam finder to more skilled groups if they have proper incentive to some like guided games and implemented it properly this time not the whole minimum clan bs

[@scythebez9572]

Two different games with too different types of code, some of the stuff that would override things in the game simply because it's wasn't coded that way plus they got some point for example trading would kill the grind for example why would I do a raid to get a CHANCE to get a exotic if I can just trade with one of my friends? Better yet why do a quest if I just trade for it? And with the way destiny works all you need is to get the weapon once and it's yours forever in your collections...

[@hyzmarca2737]

@@scythebez9572 Because you could sell that exotic to someone else for Silver and use that Silver to buy that sweet Eververse armor set you've been eyeing. Though it would make more sense for exotics to be untradable and for random rolled Legendaries to be tradable. Trading does one very useful thing for free to play games. It lets whales whale harder. And it lets players who grind benefit from the existence of whiles. Not only is that whale buying his own season pass, he's indirectly buying mine, too, because he bought my god roll adept weapon that I don't give a crap about and I used that silver to buy the season pass.

[@steve_broxi]

Warframe is an amazing game, but it does have vaulting also. There are also vaulted relics, meaning you cannot obtain them through gameplay anymore. However if someone has some in their inventory, you can trade with them and obtain it that way. Very easy work around (or you could just ask for whatever was inside of said relic instead)

[@faedrenn]

​@@scythebez9572not like they get paid to work or something

[@ameeryoussef]

Guys, Bungie didn't fail. They succeeded longer than anyone could have imagined. I think we all need to acknowledge how hard it is to do what Destiny has done. The fact that it kept so many people interested and playing for *so long* (and btw, it's *still* being played by more people than the vast majority of games) is incredible. But hey man, they may just be coming to the end of the road, at least for a while. I think they could do a D3, and it could be great, but I also think that'll take forever, and you know what? That's fine. We'll all be fine moving on or playing other games for a few years and then coming back when they have something to come back for (or not, if life has moved on). Everything ends, guys. And Final Shape was a great ending. I'll always love this game, and I'll always love Bungie for giving it to us.

[@Jah4Yahweh]

Agreed that many years of countless players playing destiny 1 and destiny 2. Although there were many dry moments, both games and multiple moments of enjoyment. I think many people can’t accept destiny franchise might be over unless they actually plan to make a destiny 3

[@unfortunatelymad980]

They succeeded because their competitors were the likes of Anthem, Tom Clancy’s the Division and outriders…

[@ncwhit]

I agree with you but still part of me disagrees. If it was the old version of Destiny (Destiny 1) yeah give them a break, however Destiny 2 is a live service, and has been now for 10+ years. Its there job to make new and engaging stuff all the time. Eventually limitations will happen and you need to make a new live service. Name one that hasn’t done that.

[@Jah4Yahweh]

@@unfortunatelymad980 ppl aren’t forced to play destiny it was just rlly fun that’s on them if they choose to play destiny when they aren’t enjoying it

[@chrisborges7344]

They only survived because of the Bungie name and reputation from their previous games. If it wasn't for that, they wouldn't have made it past a single year without people giving it a chance because it was "from Bungie"

[@flareshiftt]

Honestly not as hard as you think it is. * Overhauled and revamped weapons. Scrap the two-perk thing entirely in favor of something new. Example could be a skill tree where you can pick up to X number of nodes, but have enough picks to get only 40% of the tree, then you can get an additional 10% of the tree if you do X thing in the game. Nodes will be both passives as well as more active perks. Such as also just increasing Impact, a stat normally tied to weapon archetype. * Overhauled and revamped skill trees. I'm sorry to anyone who thinks two Aspects and some Fragments are pinnacle RPG character builds, but it's not. It is mind blowingly awesome for the Destiny we KNEW before it was introduced, but it's still incredibly shallow. ACTUAL Titan skill tree that is different from the Hunter and Warlock skill trees. Then, ACTUAL subclass skill tree, that is different from all other subclass skill trees. No 'health regen on melee kill' on literally 11 out of 18 subclasses or whatever. * Overhauled and revamped armor. Whoever thinks the randomized stats so that you will never, ever get an armor set you actually want (not even mentioning it is literally impossible to tell in game which armor pieces to put together/keep in order to get there and you need outside tools to do calculation) is good, has been playing Destiny way too much and other games way too little. Armor should have SOME stats, but they should be way more simplistic than 16 Discipline, now do some math to see which other pieces with how much Discipline you need to get to 100, while doing the same for other stats. You need to see it in one immediate look. In addition, armor should have perks. Driving factor in acquiring armor should be what it can do, not the stats it yields. Because if it is the latter, it HAS TO BE bullshit stats otherwise the chase would be over within a month. Perks can always be added, so that will drive chase. * Overhauled and revamped elements. Yes, Stasis and Strand are somewhat decent. Arc, Solar and Void still have no identity whatsoever. 'Hey guys, Arc chains it totally has an identity. Solar explodes to reach the literal same effect, but the animation is different so yeah!' No. Animations are not identity. Arc is the AoE element, then Solar would be the DoT element and Void would be the displacement/tanking element (or whatever else they want them to be, just naming examples). Then NO OVERLAP to make everything just the same thing with a different color. This is so utterly basic, I don't understand how people are still trying to fight this. 'But... if Arc is AoE and Solar deals more damage then I can't do both at once and that is bad game design'. No, dumbass, it is good game design. Yes, you do a Raid, you have people on Solar for DPS and people on Arc for add clear. * More focus on open world design. How the fuck are we doing this franchise for 8 years and people actually think Patrol should be the most neglected thing in the game with the least loot, least challenge, least reason to be there; but hey, this single selectable, launchable activity is where you'll spend literally 100 hours this season. This small confined space is where the whole space game should take place for most of your time. Bro, the fuck. Literally overhaul exploration to be dynamic: no longer will 'enemies move against each other' be the least explored thing in the game since its launch. Build more similar things like that. You explore the game, you fight things you haven't seen before and you will fail if there are not more people around OR you have played so much that you are overleveled and can handle it. * Less focus on mechanics. Raids. Dungeons. 100% a focus there.FULL STOP after that. The overreliance on mechanics drives people away from the game. People want to SHOOT GUNS, and FLING MAGICS and HEADBUTT ASSHOLES. No, stand on this plate, move this ball there, fuck off with busywork that detract people from playing the game why they are playing it. It's literally like making a racing game and then tell people they have to get out of the car to solve a puzzle every 2 minutes. LET. THEM. RACE. * Less focus on MTX. Look, I am sorry if you think 'well, I guess this is how it is now, we can't expect different' is the correct opinion to have. Getting cosmetic items that are tied to doing things in the game is worth a lot. You can squeeze $ 20 out of people for cosmetics, and in return they WILL play the game less. Not because there is less incentive to play, but because it MEANS less. Imagine if, in the Olympics, everyone got a gold medal. And not just that, also everyone could participate and get that gold medal. Just sign up. There would still be winners and losers, but you will get less people who give a genuine fuck about it. * Classes with actual identity. Everyone can pick Void (or whatever element they pick for that) and have tanking abilities from it. But, Titans have different skill trees for the actual class than Hunters and Warlocks, and they have native tanking capabilities in that tree, whereas Hunters and Warlocks only get them from the Void subclass itself. So yeah, Titans will be better Tanks. Who cares? I'll tell you who: literally everyone. No longer will it be a fact that Titans are less requested in Raids because Warlocks can tank better with the current balance. No. Warlocks CAN tank with Void perfectly fine in Normal content, but if you go harder, either the Warlock needs to be amazing at it or you just are better off with a Titan. Stop being so scared of being an actual, real, class-based game. Destiny is seriously the most superficial RPG you ever played, ever. And the only reason you don't clock that is because you're so used to how the game is that you can't see it any other way.

[@gascan7333]

Maybe I’m alone but I have no confidence they would be able to nail the launch of an entirely new game. The buildcrafting options would be so much more limited due to a fraction of the exotics and weapons. It would take literal years to get back to the depth of choice we have in the game right now. I am team “Destiny drop the 2” all way. Spend an update remastering the Red War as a legendary campaign and giving new players a path to get invested and then start innovating with expansions.

[@ogroguerc]

With your first paragraph, I understand the point, but god do I hate it. It's literally impossible for a game that's just launched to have more content than the previous one that's been up for years. It's literally just not possible. You shouldn't expect more content from a game that's just released over one that's been alive for a few years; it's an unrealistic expectation, plain and simple. The buildcrafting options, gonna be honest with you here, aren't that great or varying to begin with. Most builds in the game, I'm talking 75% to 85%, rely on damn near the exact same things to work. Yes, you have options, but the question is whether those options even work together to create a build. Most of the builds out there are literally the exact same copy-pasted thing with maybe a single difference, and that's it. Not to mention almost everyone doesn't even use 95% of what's sitting in their vault. And that's a fact.

[@gascan7333]

@@ogroguercMy point wasn’t that I expect them to put as many exotics into a D3 as are in the game now. I only said there never could be as many, for the reasons you illustrate, which would limit options. As for your argument stating all builds use the same stuff, I have to disagree. Maybe we play different but there is nothing I love more than taking something off meta but good like Felwinter’s Helm or Tommy’s Matchbook and making it work in GMs. I understand that half the community is using some sort of transcendence spam Spirit of Inmost Light build but I’m not.

[@scottmonish4969]

Of there was a D3 it would start with like 20 different exotics for each class. That's 20 new play styles you could play with. There would be plenty of build crafting. Not to mention different from D2, they could make a brand new subclass system with plenty of customization.

[@Forcer69]

@@scottmonish4969D3 would only have about 1/3 of those exotics. D1 and D2 both launched with the same amount of new exotics (38). D1 had 20 weapons and 18 armor pieces (6 per class). D2 had 17 weapons and 21 armor pieces (7 per class) (Plus 2 returning weapons and 12 returning armor pieces, 4 per class).

[@gascan7333]

@@scottmonish4969I find that unlikely given how many exotics launched with Destiny 1 and 2

[@Beardfrey]

What's happening to Destiny is the same that has happened to games like Assassin's Creed, COD, NFS.... After a while the same gameplay with just a new map or a new narrative just doesn't cut it. Destiny has Ships, Sparrows, there's The Hidden(possibility of stealth missions), War Beasts(possibility of pets/companions), There's the Last city, that we've never seen to the fullest. There are so mane things Bungie could have used to make Destiny more interesting and they just haven't. To me, it seems the "changes" coming up are more of the same, same gameplay on a new map with a new narrative.

[@floydnimrod1826]

They need to add new TYPES of weapons, not just alterations of existing ones. Energy Crossbows, more types of melee weapons, more double barrel shotguns, big single shot anti material rifles, bolt action snipers etc. Give me a fuckin slingshot ill grind for it, just something new in the weapons sandbox.

[@theblackishboy1105]

Yea it would be a lot more interesting, plus they should experiment with the current ones even, what if there was a pistol with actual projectiles but it did more damage and fires full auto, or if it shot aoe lightning or something like that it would have to be more interesting. Also go back to the old mod system the new one sucks there's no real builds anymore

[@marshallman402]

Deadass. How does a looter shooter have the most generic weapon sandbox/perks out of most looters I have seen. That is the whole point of it being a sandbox. People were mad about d2 launching with static rolls, yet the crafting system has made it to where people practically create static rolls anyways because everyone only wants what’s meta

[@alhaque5497]

Bro these are some good ideas, hopefully Bungie do does that.

[@askinnakklevaar98]

Dual wielding deagles

[@Banana-Boi]

I just want flamethrowers.

[@jc7111]

Customizable ships, sparrows, ghosts. When crafting weapons, each perk unlocked stays unlocked. Open skill trees. Crossing class identification, no more choosing your class but the abilities you pick make you a certain class. Trading on a time limit within the fireteam it was earned.

[@JamesTheTurnbull]

Honestly if No Man's Sky and Destiny can do like a fusion dance, it would solve a few of the big problems both have.

[@eclips_total2215]

This space game of our dreams will not come in our lifetime sadly

[@amon211]

True. No man's sky is awesome, but once you've gotten some cool stuff, what's the point of playing further? The "gun"play is mediocre at best, combat leaves much to be desired. And destiny has virtually no exploration, despite being able to go to different planets. If they somehow merged, it would be one of the best games ever to exist

[@icarusrising2787]

Extremely popular opinion 💯 would be better if we could at least have space battles like in warframe

[@IAmTetsuo1]

Facts

[@shquankinket8068]

While we waited for destiny 2 I was constantly hoping they would allow us to actually pilot our ships instead of them serving less of a function than emblems. Star citizen is promising and the other game that studio is working on. But none of us will have a pc able to play those

[@PinkDolphin343]

I started to play destiny 10yrs ago in the closed beta and I’m still the only who plays d2 in my friend group, this game just has something that always makes go back to it and enjoy it

[@AtlRopeGuy]

As a warlord of *thousands* in an older MMO (Dark Age of Camelot), your ideas are pretty dang close to what we need. Even today, I’ve met players from back then on DAOC that remember the mass battles, the clan friendship, etc etc.

[@JaredSchnelle]

Man DAoC was such a fun time of my life. I think Destiny could steal Darkness Falls style PvP + PvE for loot. It was such a rush to clear the area only to find a massive enemy party waiting to smash you.

[@syfonation6524]

Your suggestion is literally Warframe in the Destiny universe. Which is EXACTLY needs to happen

[@TheTrashman9]

I would gladly burn my vault for a genuine journey into a new horizon.

[@illimitabilities]

D3 and a reset has been needed for a while now. Before I quite playing a few months ago, I had a vault full of god rolls, crafted weapons and exotics, but mostly always used the same 10ish weapons, depending on the activity, seasonal artifact and build. Every knew expansion and season I would grind to get new the guns just to throw them in the vault in hopes I would use them later -which rarely if ever happened. We are attached to shit that we collect that we don't even use, and once you start, the idea of missing out on something drives you nuts. You eventually become a slave to a game that you're not having fun in, but don't want to miss out just for collection purposes or MAYBE finding that next gun that might bring some fun for a few days. A reset will bring new life and desire in to the game again, but unless they make some serious changes, we will be back in the same position in a few years.

[@Hrs3play]

I'll be happy with these addrd to D2: -Aerial battles... What's the point of all these cool ships if we dont use them. -Same flying in loading screen as Kingdom Hearts 1, but we shoot down hive and shadow legion ships. -Give us a warthog type vehicle that multiple gaurdians can ride on. -Bring back raid armor ornaments and make them obtainable via master raids. Make master raids reward artifice armor with two artifice slots to make them more of an incentive over dungeon/crucible artifice armor. -More 6-12 man activities -Clan housing -Pet companions *hand rubs* Exo animals and Cabal war beast. -No bounties for transmog. Once you obtain armor it can be used as a transmog. -100K vault space -50 loadout slots -Give my guardian a beard it's been 10 years😂 -Make Gambit Great Again

[@Scoobydrew22]

More 6 &12 player activites for sure!

[@beardcules4820]

Beardcules approves the beard point!

[@Ja.floppa]

Bro said 100k vault space 😂 who’s gonna tell him

[@xzcrimzonomegazx9143]

I 100% agree on the beard notion all three of my characters are female because I refuse to run around playing this game clean shaved

[@Hrs3play]

@@Ja.floppa 🤣🤣🤣

[@plutomakesgrilledcheese2740]

I always thought a destiny three would have us play as a completely new guardian and have our old guardian (through account linking) teach us how to wield the light throughout the story, then at some point our old guardian is killed (because we know that they die through the corridors of time) and its up to our new guardian to get justice for their deaths and take the place of the old.

[@cupasaza495]

Here are 10 things I would like to see from a Destiny 3: - Better new player experience (really comes from it being new, let's be honest) - New, creative enemy races - New, creative worlds to explore - New, creative buildcrafting tools (like elemental wells and warmind cells) - Full Titan class overhaul - Better graphics and performance - A new weapon rarity between legendary and exotic - A new fun, but worthwhile PvE grind (like onslaught) - Player housing - Seperated PvE and PvP sandboxes Honorable mentions: - 3rd party market (like what Warframe has) - Space combat - A skip dialogue option

[@bingbong01ck]

Why the Titan overhaul?

[@aaronsmith4273]

All this could be done in d2

[@IAmTetsuo1]

​@@bingbong01ck why not??? Bungie has even admitted they see the problems with Titan through its interactions with prismatic...

[@IAmTetsuo1]

Also: they shouldve built upon elemental wells, not remove them...that was dumb asf.

[@bingbong01ck]

@IAmTetsuo1 i mean sure, prismatic titan needs an overhaul, I'll agree with that, but titans overall aren't in a bad spot, except for bubble they nerfed that way to hard imo, and I'm a warlock main

[@Chris-zf2xk]

Im never going to forget how awesome it was the first time i fired up Destiny 2 when it launched on PC. It was such a new experience, from the new engine to the action. This is what we need. I love the game but its age has started to show.

[@tomoostendorp6689]

They missed the opportunity to start a D3 narrative wise. The sundial predicted ‘our’ death. We saw the grave with the sword and the exotic and all. At the end of the final shape, after the all out war and the destruction of the witness, our ghost was dead. Now this ending was worthy and well done with Cayde sacrificing himself for us, but what if the guardian did this himself to save his ghost? Dramatic ending, ghost gets to live, story ends, the end of D2. On comes D3! 10 to 15 year later timespan! The guardians have evolved and moved in a time of peace and prosperity. New powers, evolved from the old. New weaponry, forged from the hard fought battle a century ago. And a new threat looms out of the dark, something we’ve never seen before. It would have been the perfect opportunity to start a fresh game with new ideas, less bugs and a large time span.

[@justinbrooks8179]

Coulda been epic

[@pecador-torr]

yea

[@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754]

How would you continue to play if your character dies though?

[@justinbrooks8179]

@@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754 you start a new one

[@pecador-torr]

@@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754 your character gets wiped but he gets resurrected after story stuff

[@mrrifty1863]

Na if they wiped my shit I would have no motivation to play D3

[@raysolo137]

Actual Destiny 3 won't be out until 2028. D3 was not in development, Payback is not D3. So even if Bungie starts working now we won't get true D3 until 2028.

[@wy100101]

Realistically, it would probably be a lot longer than that. It took 3 years to get D2 vanilla, and that was a shit show and almost killed the franchise.

[@thedreamistaken1017]

That's what I'm saying and some people don't realize the amount of time it would take to get everything in order and at that point d2 itself would have been out for over a decade and how it's looking who would still be playing and sorry for all the typing 😅

[@ForsakenAgony]

I would say that's probably the earliest it would be. MAYBE 2027 but I highly doubt it. Realistically it would be 2029-2030 to also make a new engine because their current engine is terrible. They patch it up for a million other things to be bugged. The new player experience is terrible.. Everyone that already plays the game has every weapon. They had the same seasonal set up for the last while. They don't really try new things. Not innovative at all. Basically the same thing but you get what I mean. Grinding for the same guns over and over. Everyone already has near perfect armor so there isn't any reason to grind new armor at all. If they want to keep on with Destiny 2 they have to make players want to play and the way it is right now it's just not great lets be honest. I don't know if sunset was the answer but at least it made us want to grind the game again but I don't know if that's the true way to go with that. In my opinion crafting also killed the game at least for me and I'm sure for a lot of people out there. I guess it's good for the people that have terrible RNG but to me it's a looter shooter and that's part of the game. Now we just get the 5 reds and that's it. Just killed the pure looter shooter experience with that even if some of the casuals don't like it they should've never did this. Don't even get me started with the microtransactions. I can honestly go on and on but I would type a novel if that was the case. With the game at it's core their is nothing like it on the market. Destiny 2 had unlimited potential and I honestly thought it could've been the best game of all time if they made the right choices. I'm just sad that not only we didn't get that but we probably got the bad end of it.

[@renzodaihannya8644]

Where are these dates/years even coming from 😆

[@francisvigoreaux3965]

2028 is way to early for a D3, it would take probably a decade to make/upgrade the engine for it (which would be the entire reason for a D3, engine upgrades to improve the dev experience that then translates to player experience) and then make the game. Even then it probably would have a fraction of the content D2 has, and not seem worth it

[@ayotee3321]

It’s over for destiny 3 to come over. We all were thinking destiny 3 was in development for 10 years.

[@dracodjr2699]

16:00 bro your literally describing warframe 😂😂😂😂 not hating or anything. If you haven't played warframe before, give it a try is a free game

[@1nonlyAris]

Bro I was just about to comment this no way

[@lazyvoid7107]

*FF14

[@oxsila]

He played first descendent like no tomorrow but apparently hasn't tried warframe? That tells me that he's only not trying warframe because it's not a new IP like TFD

[@ShadowDragon410]

​@@oxsila his TFD is mostly sponsored content, but yeah cross is allergic to Warframe. Everytime destiny is in the shitter and someone brings up that he should play it, he just finds an excuse. Dude spent a chunk of this video naming off stuff that already exists in WF

[@toaster710]

I understand this argument but the reason Destiny players don’t want to play Warframe isn’t because there a deep rooted prejudice against it. It’s because Warframe is NOT an fps, Warframe does not play the same so fundamentally it is unappealing. Destiny ≠ Warframe because fps ≠ 3ps

[@Downwiththatdeee3451]

D3? Why? So they can then bring back everything from D2. This game is notorious for reusing old content and yall want a D3.

[@Toadsmoothie]

15:37 can't even lie, I love this idea.

[@Ja.floppa]

What flavor smoothie

[@ethanhammond7991]

Me too tbh

[@JGcd001]

He just described ffxiv 😅

[@Obi_Wan_Shinobi_81]

Destiny grabbed me with the romance of new discovery and journeying to the unknown. That no longer exists in the game honestly. It kept me by offering a REALLY good feeling shooter game experience. The loot grind is just that, a grind. By far most players don’t continue to play for the grind and the loot. It’s about the fun you’re having WHILE you’re playing, not what the payoff is. Rewards are nice, but they can never be the whole point. ALSO, most players don’t care about difficulty, this is exhibited by the low number of players that have completed GMs. We don’t want the same content turned up to 11. Most players want more CONTENT. (And there’s still an issue of the best content that IS in the game is not accessible to BY FAR most players; raids) We want discovery. New experiences. Bungie: Open the world up. Make a massive open world through the galaxy to explore. And you know what? 3 hours of story content per season isn’t enough. And we see how you pad that with filler activities so it actually takes 15 hours to complete the seasonal story, and we don’t like it. The current problem with Destiny isn’t the lack of items to grind for, it’s that we’ve done everything, MANY times over. If Bungie wants player numbers, there’s an easy solution: Make an easy/learning mode for raids. Severely limit or even eliminate the loot players receive from doing it on such a mode. The players won’t care, I assure you. There thousands upon thousands of players that would come back.

[@jonathancyr3218]

Destiny needs a Forge system. Player created pvp game modes and map modifications. Then extend that to player created strikes, nightfalls,....raids perhaps?

[@Kumari_44]

I’ve been saying this for YEARS! Halo’s forge was phenomenal! It brought so much replayability to the game.

[@lokinslawomir0793]

We don’t need a reset, we need them to invest into the game. Hardware and engine limitations will always be based on your willingness to invest and improve. Chris at GGG has made that clear. He’s also made clear what it looks like when the revenue a company is making goes back into the product to improve it in quality and quantity. If they invested into D2 it could be an all time great. Imagine if the same leadership and talent were working in D2. It would be night and day. We need those who care about the product in decision making positions. Not finance suits who care more about firing talent so they can afford their collectible cars and whatever else the company revenue is going towards. It really is simple what needs to happen. The hard part will solely be finding those leaders who will have the vision and the “give a damn” attitude towards the product to turn the game and Bungie around. With of course the support of Sony and their confidence in that vision.

[@chem2430]

1:00 I am you

[@monosodiumglutamate6483]

i really wish people wouldn't blame bungie for not making a destiny 3 when we all were bitching and crying over losing our loot with the launch of destiny 2

[@Jonny_Nemo]

Warframe has Clan Dojos that you can hang in, decorate and craft and trade weapons.

[@DeepStone-6]

I can't believe Bungie has never bothered to make a real physical clan in the game somewhere in The Last City or The Reef, anywhere!

[@jeffjameson5082]

Very few people actually visit clan dojos though. 90% of the time ppl in there are just trading

[@thatguy718]

@@jeffjameson5082 certain events, craftable items/weapons/warframes, decoration, railjack stuff and I’m probably missing like 2 other things maybe..? Trading is a SUPER huge part of Warframe, but that’s not all the clan dojo is good for

[@itzg_grimm8914]

You know, I always watch cross and this topic in particular really hits hard. The Destiny universe was half of my life. I'm 21 and played the d1 beta on 360 and never stopped playing since then. I then swapped over to the ps4 and kept playing up until a couple months ago. There were days where I had school in the morning but sold my soul for exotics and weapons and LOOT until I had to leave. Sadly, I sit here now, satisfied but also disappointed that the game that I love and grew up with has come to this. Truthfully, I don't think this could've gone any other way. I think this has unfortunately always been set in stone for bungie. They are people pleasers and they have created one hell of a community. The game may still be alive and up and running, But the drive has died. I've ben saying this for the past 3 years. We get things back that we've already had, people chase highs that result in empty satisfaction, there's really nothing left TO ME, that bungie could do to "save" this game. They've done a great job, and I don't think they should necessarily stop making the game. But I think we as a community need to recognize that at this current moment, there's really nothing left for bungie to do. Now, I personally have fallen out of love for some games because of this "Treadmill." There's been a lot of games that have been following these constant cycles of repetition, so this is really just how I personally feel on this matter. Some games just aren't meant to last forever.

[@TheTrueAlucard]

@3:08 nothing more? New graphics, new engine, more possibilities in the game, especially more graphical and gameplay possibilities. Upgrading ships, styling, upgrading, housing??? Or something similar. There are so many possibilities that could be added to D3.

[@kun-zt8iw]

Apart from graphics Everything else you listed is a valid want but if they wanted to add it they could have already added it

[@killerneto4203]

I think if they just made us make a new character for the new frontier or we bring our character but we have to go with only blues and below in order to launch over there. I’m sure there is plenty of better ways to do it but just something similar .

[@kaantoa795]

this cracks me up bc cross always talk about all these mmo features he wants to add but then forgets everything when talking d3

[@PotaraP]

player owned housing would be so fucking badass

[@Bloodfox64]

My idea for how to handle weapons/armor/gear is this: all of it is fully customizable and craftable, BUT you can only craft with the broken down components/parts that you get from RNG drops. This allows for players to get what they want (eventually) and addresses the problem of getting a drop that would be a God-Roll, except that one perk is bad/wrong, while also retaining the Grind. Keep things restricted by weapon/armor type, Slot, and even source (Raids, Dungeons, Nightfalls, Comp, Exotics, et cetera) to keep the prestige of the high level loot sources, but make it worth while to go in all the time and grind for new drops.

[@mr.misunderstood2610]

They need to remove the class’s Let the character customization have way more in depth options. Let there be no limit to build crafting. Add new weapon types like light rifle-shoots spears of pure light. High damage slow fire rate. And just spears. Real planetary exploration with an option to be hostile to other guardians with a reason to explore resources loot ect. Flyable Space ships where you have to get legendary & exotic guns for your ships. Clan outposts. 3-6 man dungeons with modifiers for every player ovoid over 3. Cut out ps4 & xbox1 Remove class abilities from PvP. Make Icarus dash a free use fragment that doesn’t take a slot. Bring back red war on a harder difficulty with champions. Bring back every raid. Bring back every exotic weapon from destiny 1. Have more interesting Narrative. Let episode echos be an example of what not to do ever again. Make exotics feel exotic again. Currently when I pickup an exotic of the ground there’s no feeling it’s just …meah that’s what used to be what made destiny feel worth playing.

[@k.j.1784]

Destiny 3 with lost loot and I am out. I don't want to lose everything just to get Gjallarhorn 4.0 and buy the next 3 ornaments and everything we had is forced on us again. That would be no different than sunsetting. No reset. Then I am done!

[@oxsila]

The thing is though, Destiny 2 would still exist. Let Destiny 3 have sunsetting every 1 or 2 years. Let it have a different system where you actually appreciate new loot more often. Destiny 2 not having sunsetting means we only care about maybe 5 weapons at the most every 6 months. That's awful for a game all about loot. That's why so many people have dipped.

[@Nasserrvn]

Whoever said yes to reset, doesn’t even play the game, doesn’t have any weapon pattern unlocked. We play Destiny for gameplay. The loot you get from Raids and dungeons what makes you play endgame. We don’t need a reset we need contents just like TFS.

[@kippeneneieren2039]

nah fuck dat. delete the whole vault

[@andrewmata4148]

While I still love D2, all of my buddies stopped playing after we killed the Witness. So it's just me

[@The_Reaper101]

That’s pretty much me atm but some came back for the 10th anniversary but left after.

[@mo6ujlhoe4y4ejlo3]

Same for me man, i... just don't care anymore? I got an exotic class item i experimented with the builds, i explored The Pale Heart and now, there is no more "wow" effect for me. And ofcourse, i have noone to play D2 with. My clan changed a lot, i got kicked and i lost the only thing that kept me engaged: social interaction inside the game...

[@andrewmata4148]

@The_Reaper101 I started D1 solo, then met my clan at the beginning of RoI. Since then we played pretty much every day. Since it's just me now, I log on to run a few missions then I get lonely and play something else

[@dsipos2]

@@andrewmata4148same here, it’s sad

[@restlessascension3260]

Add another one to the solo list same here my brother's and sisters in light

[@byepolair]

As a long time Destiny player, and a long time Diablo player - I really enjoy that you brought up seasonal wipes in Diablo 3/Diablo 4. Because I really think that's what Destiny needs. I think one of the biggest problems with Destiny is that there is no change up. We have all of this loot, at all times, so when we get these seasonal weapons we're like "eh I have x already so I don't need y". Now obviously we don't have Greater Rifts to climb like Diablo but... we have/had pantheon. How cool would it be to start a seasonal journey. All you have are exotics, the seasonal gear loot pool, and raid loot pool within pantheon. And you have to push through a pantheon grind similar to Greater Rifts, with a leaderboard system. And whatever rewards you got through your seasonal journey, you could bring back to the main game just like how Diablo sets your seasonal character to a regular character after the season ends.

[@PopularNobody]

The problem no one wants to admit is KZbin is destroying it as well. You can't even tackle content with curiosity because KZbin has 1000 guides on how to complete something withing 2 hours of release

[@rayswarnau3868]

Don’t watch the videos then. It’s remarkably easy, I do it all the time.

[@rolandvirag8522]

Man, this why I keep coming back: “I don’t give a crisp about new players. Let me be clear; I only give a crisp about _me_ (…)” 😃😃

[@Ghost-mh7rt]

0:40 I love the honesty 🤣

[@larswyness1901]

That's a really really good point. What changes would a D3 make that would bring people back. I think you're right, loot is crazy atm, there's a LOT that's happened in weapon perks. My dream for Destiny, is for Bungie to drop seasons altogether. There's rarely a good season. Focus exclusively on the expansion packs, because those are always the interesting ones. Those are the ones they get experimental with. Also, vehicles. Let's move Destiny towards classic Halo, just with Destiny weapons. I wanna fly a banshee and ghost and warthog and run riot in crucible with those for a bit. Bring back Capture the Flag, Grifball, all the insane Halo modes. Oh and if you're going to add rarity back to drops, that's fine, but if you want to have competitive, you need to add a weapon rental system so people can be on a level play field. You wanna use your flashy PvP guns? Go to a vault unlocked playlist. Otherwise, you're picking a weapon like a Halo Reach loadout. Your class powers and stuff are open though.

[@cinderella_man5649]

Agree on the rarity issue. The community is ruining the rng and rarirty of the game cause they want everything given to them in one run and then complain theres nothing to do. Everything needs to be rare Bring back rarity

[@davidhocker2677]

I don't even think it needs a reset. Just innovation to change things up and actually evolve the game

[@jollofchief]

Destiny players are addicts and the want for a new game is just like a smokers chasing their first high. Take a break guardians, I'm begging you.

[@alhaque5497]

Word and how would Bungie even innovate for d3 when all the community do is complain about everything.

[@10TARDIS]

Honestly, I think that's not far from the truth. It's interesting to think about, because I would never try smoking or drugs or anything like that because I don't want an addiction, but I've spent 4,000+ hours and probably $1K over the last 10 years of my life on Destiny.

[@yurayura74]

​@@10TARDISif you've spent 1k on destiny that's a personal decision bro can't blame Bungie for poor budgeting on your part

[@10TARDIS]

@@yurayura74 I'm aware of that, I wasn't blaming them, I was actually comparing it to a personal addiction, which is always the addicted person's fault. I actually don't think I've spent that much on the game itself, but I've bought every expansion ever released plus every season, plus $15 of silver one time. Whatever that adds up to. Oh, I guess I bought the nerf Gjallarhorn too...

[@yurayura74]

@@10TARDIS I've spent almost exactly the same may have purchased a season event card last year too can't remember honestly but tbh it's under 500 for 10 years of content and I purchased both Osiris and warmind I even took a long break when they sunset it. And I can proudly say that it's worth it the game itself has only gotten better from where it started. And while that's a lot of money bro I pay my own rent and I live in Cali I literally spend 1800 at the minimum a month (not exaggerating even a little). So I really can't f-ing complain about destiny on price that just feels absurd to me. However if we're talking about management and how they'll publicly lie about revenue goals and layoffs then straight up I agree management is evil. more than anything though players have more power than the developers in onboarding and most of us have dropped the ball on introducing new players to the game because we'd rather complain about the 100$ expansions in some kinda vague hope they'd drop the price. And it sucks that there are micro transactions but it doesn't even affect gameplay it's purely for drip outside of skimmers which were free for literally everyone as long as they just watched two hours of twitch gameplay for at least 3 weeks out of a month long event you didn't even have to play the game. Anyways long paragraph but you call it an addiction because it took your money but is food an addiction? Is electricity? Its entertainment and for most if not all, entertainment is a literal mental necessity and being 24 and knowing my friends are easily spending $500 A Month (not exaggerated) on Booze or Pot or concert tickets; And they don't even have to spend that much every month just spending that much 2 months out of a year and they've already spent more than I have in ten years on destiny 2

[@cy4n_knight_q8]

Destiny died when it went free to play route and decided to vault content. All of you who remain there are on a sinking ship

[@Tyboneious]

The ironic thing is Sunsetting would have solved a lot of the issues we find our selves having with "Why chase new loot if old loot does the job" If we had a reset, it would just be sunsetting all over again. It's not the solution. But it would give people something to chase and the main thing is a REASON to chase, simply because if you don't you are locked out of content because old stuff won't work. But a D3 would require a hook, we have no hook. There's currently no big bad to look forward to for veteran players. New players have literally no beneficial reason to join the game right now. Unless everyone starts in the same position, new players will not come to Destiny. The game has a stain on it's name. That's where we are. Frontiers needs to do well enough to remove the stain first before anything else can be done. How they manage that, who knows. The game needs something like a Final Fantasy: A Realm Reborn style restart. If we don't get that, the game will slowly die out until they can't keep it up financially. I love this game. I want it to work. But the negativity surrounding the game since Episode 1 came out has killed my hopes for the future it could have always had, ever being seen. The game has the potential to be among the top games of all games, let alone FPS games. All we need from Frontiers is proof, proof that all the things they talked about recently are going to be implemented and the game will continue to be worked on. They can announce D3 or announce that D3 will never happen. Whatever it is, they need to put the speculation to bed for good.

[@oxsila]

The only way you bring back sunsetting is by making Destiny 3 and instantly letting people know that sunsetting will occur after a certain period. It's too late now people have become to used to hoarding hundreds of weapons etc with sentimental value. Sunsetting without a Destiny 3 would easily be the death of the game for good. You need to foster a fanbase that sees the good in sunsetting and D3 is how you do that. Don't buy D3 if you're not ok with the concept of loot resets. Path of Exile is one of the most successful games of all time and it resets every league

[@Macdro21]

I think cross is spot on here. Destiny needs MORE grind, or at least more of a CHASE for loot. Hard to understand people who say destiny is “too grindy” and the devs aren’t “respecting the players time”. Prime example… It is very realistic for a player to have 90-100% of the exotics. Id say it’s actually expected once you get to the GM and raiding level. You can get them at the tower, from xur, it’s more of a waiting game than an actual chase for the loot. I’d guess most people watching this video and who have made it this far have all these exotic weapons and armor they could ever need. I think the most fun I had is destiny was back when there were tons of exotic quests. Xenophage made me do my first dungeon, 1k voices got me to do last wish and it’s still my favorite raid to date. It doesn’t need to be 100% rng, but a meaningful goal, with a clear path. For example, ok I need to play pvp to get this new gun. That gun is going to help me grind this dungeon which gives me a new exotic armor piece. Now that I have both of those I can hop into the new raid and get the super rare new class item. Games like this are most fun when you have goals and grinds you’re working towards and if bungie can somehow introduce that again I think we would be in a very good spot

[@benozer3406]

honestly maybe its just nostalgia but I loved the rng of Destiny 1 when I got the thorn bounty after doing a like three resumes worth of bounties I completely lost control of my bowels but I was happy

[@lazyvoid7107]

Nobody does

[@oryxcertified]

i just miss how rare stuff was in destiny 1 year one, it took me months to get a lot of exotic and when i first got an exotic bounty and i was so hyped, besides vex mytho because that was my first exotic lol, but stuff was actually hard and a mystery just miss that feeling man

[@stormbreaker7836]

Stuff i would like: Ship/space combat, ship mods, ship customization. Speeder customization, combat, mods, races New classes (warlock, hunter , titan, ...etc) more exotics for those classes Character customization and name changing infinitely with each accout tied to a unique number code instead of username. Player housing and housing customization. Clan bases and base customization & progression. Better and more weapon mods(class specific, enemy specific weapon type specific, etc).

[@darksteps4522]

weapon enchancement shouldn't have been a thing but on a real note tho, onslaught and pantheon was one of if not the best time in destiny 2. loot was fucking hot, onsalught was just fun to do. it was challenging and rewarding. and you got to use that loot to challenge pantheon which became the pinnacle challenge.

[@Lorentz_Driver]

Enhancement should have only been on adept weapons but I gotta disagree.... There is way too much RNG in onslaught, even with attunement.

[@oxsila]

@@Lorentz_Driver Onslaughts rng would've been fine if it wasn't made to be a 2 month long activity to prepare us for final shape. It would've worked much better as a new ritual activity. Which it has become, so now it's not as much of an issue. But yeah

[@LaneBatman-c2v]

Yup, I finally kicked the can too.. your ideas on how to use glimmer to make it more real life ish is great. Let’s go that way!

[@novusparadium9430]

Player housing 10+ years later and in 2024....... what a fucking waste of time to get the most basic mmo player needs.

[@alexroberson2235]

Honestly these suggestions are exactly what I would love. The standard formula is leading us down a dark path. If they just said screw it were an MMO now we would be great.

[@Outdoorlover294]

I know what you mean man as far as not playing destiny 2 much right now, I maxed out my titan and i get on every week and do the nightfall and a few other engrams. I feel like once you are max light level its not as much fun, still fun together with friends and run crucible or to try new builds on the nightfalls and stuff. I love watching your channel and always looke forward to your uploads man! Idk if its your thing really but I would love to see you do a playthrough of some games. Preferably the last of us and last of us part 2, I feel like that would be a really entertaining playthrough. As always, love the content and the grind you put in day in and day out, keep up the great work man!

[@ayejay2688]

1. When we say we want a reset, i think what we're really saying is we finally want D2 to evolve, just like D1 in how we wanted that to evolve & we're excited for new innovation and experimentation, new guns yes, but also new armor, sparrows, ability concepts, mechanics, environments and enemy designs for us to interact with; i don't think we as a community have ever meant "we want a reset" as "just take all my loot away and start me over" or "might as well just add new loot" This whole point and community sentiment boils down to, we want NEW Destiny, not MORE Destiny, give us NEW Destiny, give us that proper evolution to Destiny and then we can talk about MORE Destiny. 2. The Tiger Engine does need an upgrade, in comparison to other AAA studios the Tiger Engine especially during Destiny's life cycle has barely seen any changes, they've mainly focused on supplementary changes like the lighting section of the engine being changed 3 times amongst other changes that effect the "outside" rim of components the engine has, the things usually seen in engine upgrades are just not here for the Tiger Engine. 3. Regardless of your feelings on the DCV, it removed paid for content that was sold as a product not as a license & people want to play what they payed for, they should bring it back. 4. "The randomness of drops & exotic armor is gone, everyone has the same thing" yeah because we've been in the "end-game" section of Destiny for nearly 5 years, Destiny 1 got away with it because of the loot refresh in The Taken King & the ceiling being risen in each expansion, it felt like we we're actually playing a video game & not just a hamster wheel for 1 god roll (i say god roll but lets be real honest, i'm talking about 5/5 red border patterns) 5. The exotic class item farming outrage IS NOT because we had to farm for them, it's because the available farms SUCK, they take too long (this mainly stems from the game being "solved" in terms of it's gameplay & wonder) & because the delivery of expectations on where it would drop was misleading. 6. D1 across the board did respect your time more than D2, mainly because your time was actually worth something, that something being the primary end-game currency obtained from activities once you reached end-game, D2 does not have that, your time in D2 is purely a slot machine for gear, D1 offered you an outlet for your time being valued, D2 has not & will probably never do that. Also the exotic quests were easy asf, don't even get me started, i did all of them in vanilla solo, did it take a day or two? sure, but it's funny how many people grinded for them and did them regardless because the rewards were actually good, powerful & interesting; not all these shallow attempts at exotics and "exotic missions" we see nowadays. 7. Dogwater suggestions.

[@taco_toe_cheese7551]

I’m fine with taking one massive step back for a destiny 3, as long as we get content on the level of forsaken and witch queen a year into the game

[@Luciphear]

All the drama burnt my friends out, they left, I stayed, I met some new friends in the game, they left too because they are fed up with Bungie and I missed a game without all the fucking drama.

[@Ins4neinthemembran3]

For me personally and a lot of players in my clan. We are all getting older. We were there from the start and all have 5000+ hours in D1 and D2 combined. The most ridiculous thing is probably that I never bothered a second that I spend nights grinding. It was so much fun. Even if it was sometimes a hassle to combine a ‘normal’ life with such, let’s be real addiction. But damn. It was worth it. Great memories. But now we are getting older and I think it’s not worth it anymore. Different things. Different responsibilities. So I do think that that’s also something to take in consideration. People getting older. Not really a motivation to play. The last DLC was a great ending. And I do think for new, younger players that newer gamers a more appealing. Because it’s a pain to get fully committed into Destiny as a new light from what I’ve seen and heard.

[@Soulverine]

There are innumerable ways you can up D2 to D3. Bungie just isn't being creative enough. Here are some ideas: 1- Choose your race) Halo 2 let us play as an Elite or Master Chief. Let the player play as a Cabal or a Hive or a Vex. They won't have access to the Light but they can do some exclusive stuff. Cabal players get War Beasts. Vex are Minotaurs that can call in Goblins or Hydras after getting enough kills like COD. Let us choose Lucent Hive and now we get a slight change in abilities but they're tied to specific classes. Right now you can be an exo, an awoken, or a human but the difference is merely aesthetic. Change that. 2- Make armor specific to gameplay) Let's say there is a "Gunslinger" armor set. Each class can earn it. On the helmet, you get perks like snapshot sights, eye of the storm, or increased crit damage. Gloves give you faster reload or ready/stow perks. Chests give you increased flinch resistance or getting hit with a certain damage type refunds ammo. Legs give you perks like perpetual motion or moving target. Class items give you surplus or unsalted hunger. But all these perks are only for hand cannons. You want the same perks for a scout rifle? You have to acquire the "Ranger" armor set. Now you can mix & match to give your arc fusion rifle a faster reload with the right gloves but give your strand pulse better accuracy with the right helmet. And once you fully max out an armor piece, you can choose an anti-champion mod to add to it for an exotic cipher. You're not bound to the artifact perks to handle champions because you got it in your customizable armor. We also used to have energy type specific armor but it did absolutely nothing. Give us energy specific armor again but give it purpose. We get 3% energy damage boost for each equipped armor piece for that energy type . 3 -Give us customizable living areas) Cross is right. Let us buy homes in the Last City. Or maybe on Europa or Mars. Let our vault space be determined by our living quarters and people will be grinding for days to get their dreamhouse and doomsday prepped basement. 4 - Allow players interaction to shape the game at large) I haven't played Helldivers 2 but I heard there was some public event where the players had to defeat the bugs. They failed and they lost access to the planet. Those types of real, in-time consequences should be staples for "live service games." You have fun playing one night and then wake up in the morning to find your house on Nessus got destroyed because nobody completed a heroic public event for 18 hours straight. 5 - Give us more variety in PvP modes) I'm still stunned that the people who gave us modes like Zombies, Juggernaut, Griffball, & VIP in Halo have not come up with similar game modes in Destiny. 6 - Give us speed races) Take 3 players and have them complete exotic missions or dungeons in a timed match against another 3 players. Whichever team wins gets adept loot and the players who lose only get glimmer and enhancement cores. This encourages players to maximize efficiency in how to beat activities they've already completed. A genuine reason to re-run it because you can get better loot than when you ran it originally. And because Bungie likes the number 7: 7 - Fire Pete Parsons) nuff said.

[@lazyvoid7107]

No

[@hopf1337]

complete clans overhaul would be amazing. clan tower/social space would be awesome. clan vault, have everything in the game? throw stuff in the vault for the squad. upgrade things in your tower that increase ingame rewards/loot similar to the clan banner but obviously much much more impactful. clan tower playlist with defending against enemies like in an onslaught strike/dungeony way or achieve ways to summon special boss fights with unique clan event loot drops. these would be a great way to bring people together and stay together and keep the grind ongoing and relevant for those of us with everything. credit to neverwinter for having an amazing guild aspect in their game for me ripping some of these ideas from but still. there is a guild boss battle you can do in that game which summons 4 dragons to each corner of your guild social area and you must kill each 4 within a short time for the guild to get max rewards its very fun you put your noobier players on the easier dragons and bigger hitters and best players on the harder dragons.

[@Ardie27]

I always said to save destiny. Make a Destiny 3 with the ability to fly ships. Compete with star citizen. Destiny would be able to do it better

[@papa_frodo5412]

I've thought a lot about ways to improve the game, and it's tough. On one hand, rapidly pushing out content keeps people engaged, but there's a risk that it ends up being boring or low-quality. On the other hand, taking time to perfect something can result in great content, but there's still no guarantee it'll hit the mark. Ultimately, I believe they should prioritise a strong story and rewarding loot, but more importantly, focus on creating fun content. Modes like Onslaught and Dares of Eternity are great examples-where the grind for loot is enjoyable because the activities themselves are a blast to play, even after you've collected all the rewards.

[@HI-hr5up]

The thing that has constantly set this game apart from many others is the gameplay. Few other FPS games are as fun to play from a shooting and mechanics standpoint than Destiny. It's part of the reason I still play despite having nobody I know playing it. Something I wish they'd do is make the patrol zones much much more dynamic. Have them change on weekly resets. Hold events or hide lore and other stuff on weekly resets. Give people a reason to go back to and check these places out. Another thing I don't understand is not reusing raid environments. As someone who doesn't raid, one of the best experiences of TWQ was the Preservation mission. Being able to enter the pyramid and experience that awesome skybox was amazing. I have absolutely no clue why they haven't continued to do this given bungie's propensity to reuse and reissue shit like crazy.

[@MM-he2iq]

I don’t understand when people say “Destiny 2 doesn’t respect our time”, then in the same breath say “there’s nothing to do”. Like which is it? In some magical world, if they could pump out TFS each 3 months, cool, that would be sweet. But this is the real world. The real world where crap is more and more expensive every day. Money has to come from somewhere

[@josh60088]

Destiny 2 needs this: -World Bosses on each planet -Inside Ship customization and social space (potential Eververse point) -Crafting consumables that boost stats, damage i.e. grenade damage, or health regeneration boost. -Grandmaster Dungeons with special loot (hopefully Oct 11th) -Invasion events, mini horde, play with other players with special loot -Gear sets -Random roll stat weapons (using range values on certain stats) -New weapons such as Heavy Sniper i.e. Anti material rifle (non exotic) and Heavy full automatic shotgun i.e AA12 -Glaives in the top slot (kinetic/strand/stasis) -Expanded Onslaught and Gambit -Revised Weapon mods, to bring balanced utility back to the game i.e. "non gamebreaking" Warmind Cells

[@jonmkl]

Cross spitting straight facts. They need to add new chases. It can’t just be new guns. A real guild / faction system with consequences / player housing etc could revolutionize the game. They pulled off 10 years, they did good, now it’s time for more risks and more horizontal growth.

[@dawveed26]

So we started playing Tuesday night Halo when halo 2 came out. That moved into Destiny, where we play private matches for about 3-4 hours every Tuesday night. Our clan fluctuates from 4-10 players depending on who's busy and who can make it, but we usually always have a good time with the camaraderie and plenty of shit talk. Most of us don't have the time to play but 2, maybe 3 times a week. So, we aren't burnt out. It's a good game for the casual player imo.

[@callmechili]

I really like the idea of everything being unique, random, and hard to obtain specific abilities/weapons. Every character would feel extremely unique that way. Unless the player grinded so much currency to buy the same stuff as another if there was a market or just make some items/abilities non-tradable. You would just have to make do with whatever you got to work together as a functional build that is ever evolving. The game would run on endless creativity as long as the company running the game could supply it.

[@flymasterkyle1277]

I don’t want a full reset of my D2 stuff, just a new game

[@josephcool981]

Honestly, i'd play it for at least a little bit. Not really a fan of the subscription model part but i think if they just added player homes, full rng, player trading and community-focused patrol zones where more people can play in large groups, it'd be a step in the right direction. Keep the paid expansions and eververse sets, but let those armors be traded by players too. Get rid of light levels and adopt a straight up levels model with a "perk" pool instead, where you choose what you get as you level up each season (basically the artifact but much bigger and with more impact, make the choices unchangeable but also allow us to unlock everything if we grind enough.) Have it reset every season but we can spend some special points to keep some permanently. Get rid of all subclasses (still keep them separated by classes though), its just prismatic now. You can unlock the aspects/fragments/supers by finding them in game and building your character how you want them to be.

[@mrkat8137]

Imo, bungie needs to make a d3 solely for refining systems and literally for just a reset. What we have now is almost at its limit at what balance can handle. For example, weapons can’t evolve very much but if Kujays video compiling ideas on how weapons/loot can progress can be part of that refinement. Missions could be more refined too. Adding mechanics, different phases, more interactive elements, etc. The final shape companion missions are literally a great example of this. A rest would be fantastic for the franchise too. The way loot is so abundant in the sense of exotics feeling meaningless cannot be fixed in d2. Bringing back that chase, that excitement of finally getting that exotic can be achieved with a d3. Exotics are just too abundant. Exotic armor being an exception unless they add a way to craft armor etc. They could use this time to finally use dedicated servers and upgrading the foundation of the game to support a live service. Honestly, most of kujays videos are still great Adding more social systems too. Clan towers, player housing, pets, the last city interaction, etc.

[@JComm57]

I'm at a point in the game where I don't care at all about new loot. I just want new experiences. We've had dozens of more weapons than we've ever needed for years. I just want to experience something new after the amazing ending to the 10 year story that The Final Shape gave us.

[@steffpeek]

I quit destiny. But. Literally everything you mentioned about what the next Destiny should be would bring me back in a heartbeat. I so wish bungie would do everything you mentioned. Make our time mean something. Bring back OP weapons that require RNG .1% drop rate.

[@viochidun]

The problem, imo, is that there’s nothing to chase. No guns that makes a difference. The only thing that matters is your abilities.

[@MichaelHazell]

"RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG." Gambling itself and gambling behaviors are a serious problem in the world. It is not healthy, because undoubtedly people cannot control themselves. Video games should not be predatory in nature. They are supposed to be fun to play. Manipulating humans is not good, even if the people being manipulated think they are having fun. I do not want a situation where our vaults are destroyed. Time spent in the game to earn rewards is a valid transaction and should not be wiped out just because game developers have an issue balancing their game. That is not a burden that the player should bear.

[@torin8434]

For me, when campaign is mentioned specifically, it reminds me of how I feel with cod these days. A good narrative experience pulls me into the game more. A better story helps pull me in. Also, a new story helps pull me in too. Both games developed new experiences, but that was 10+ years ago. Developers used to make a game "story first" I think that's the issue. I'm not saying every new game has that issue these days but it feels like most long running games are focused on building retention rather than experience

[@gravejello2331]

A new story in D3 would need to be substantially larger than The Final Shape and I don’t think that’s ever happening

[@Meme_dad1]

Honestly, I think the hardest thing for bungie is the limitation of the systems it’s on. If they remove content to make room for “new innovative content”..here we come as a community (content creators included) with our pick forks complaining about how this is our game “is our time our money/my channel is on the line blah blah”. Bungie turns around and says, “ok keep your content, here’s a new repeatable content ( which is the same regurgitated experience year after year”. once again, the Community complains about lack of innovation, same experience. It’s a damn if you do damn if you don’t.

[@awildridehome9469]

We need a borderlands/destiny hybrid system, thousands of options with different aesthetics, barrels, grips, sights, go absolutely crazy. Take inspiration from there, and start moving towards actual difficulty features that aren’t “learn 6000 mechanics in a raid while shooting boss with 70 million health” and more like Doom Eternal, where reflexes, aim and speed are rewarded greatly. Give us less bullet sponges and more interesting enemy types. If Doom can publish 3 games with massive improvements each time in the span of Destiny 2’s lifespan, then a Destiny 3 really should be possible.

[@ricardocolon6939]

After 10 years, I'm ready for a new start Destiny 3.

[@MrJeha95]

The guy who said D1 respected your time…. Is he joking. I’m not saying D2 is the perfect game. But the amount of quality of life changes and changes to the loot grind they have made over the year. What is that guy on

[@choyversusgaming5461]

16 man raids, ship orbital strikes/supers, companions/ pets/ bots /drones that follow us around. Full blown summons like final fantasy. A new category of rarity. World Tiers like Division 2.

[@Fm_gray]

i had a moment in wow the other day that made me realize how special the formula they have is. I was doing a quest in an open world pvp zone there was a supply crate that dropped into a free for all zone so both factions where attackable. It dropped on a small watch tower and there where 50 people fighting for 20 minutes trying to open the box I ended up joining 4 other bros to attempt to survive the onslaught. The box despawned we all got nothing but it was the most fun blood bath ive had in a video game in a long time. Destiny just doesnt have those kind of moments for me I think a destiny 3 would be like a no man sky and really lean into allowing you to actually fly and customize your ship with a more dynamic planetary system that allowed for more player created events rather than public events being just a mission you shoot one thing to participate in and brainlessly collect rewards. A crafting system that you had to rely on other players from other professions to collect the recourse than the person whos crafting the material to crafting the gun. When you gotta find the THAT ONE GUY who knows the schematic for the ace of spades week one and you have to bring him the mats so he can hand you the gun. Destiny 2 is too obsessed with solo player perfection its all about solo flawless and crafting a weapon has ZERO interaction with another player. TLDR: Open world space exploration, ship customization, interactive profession system for crafting, a player driven economy.

[@knightspartan7201]

The game Cross described at the end is pretty much Phantasy Stat Online 2. Didn't pay your sub? Can't enter your house. Want to vault items? You 30 day extended vault use is up, you need stargems (can be earned in game). Divide Quest max difficulty had like 0.2% drop rate for a weapon skin and it goes for 100s of millions on the player market

[@killsplenty]

The answer to this is simple. Get rid of Crafting. It killed the Grind and excitement. Casino Psychology should be used for Loot. Drop Sounds, Random Jackpots when least expected leads to extended play times. This was the case for D1 Crucible, Strikes, etc. It was like you finally got to roll the wheels at the end of the match and it just does something to the brain. Next, They need to provide entire content in a linear fashion so new players get the experience and story. At the end of the linear complete story, they can jump into end game content. I don't see why this is so difficult. For existing players, seasonal 4-5 Missions, 2 new Strikes, new Arena, Prison of Elders with Huge yearly content/story drops. If people drop out after they've done everything, fine. But the linear complete huge content availability cycles new players. Finally, we got to be brutally honest about the role streamers who can play 24/7 have in destroying content before it can be properly experienced by play rather than by spoilers. One of the main reasons peoples appetites have deteriorated is because they are no longer playing through to experience the joy of the game, they are binge watching streamer reactions.

[@freezerness]

Technology has improved so far from when destiny 1 and 2 launched the impossible not impossible, if find right visions

[@ShawnWalka]

As a D1 beta player, it doesn't feel the same as it did back when started playing on PS3 then switched to the PS4 when it came out. Paid the $10 played for years. Finally built a PC in 2020 returned to D2 an stopped again in late 2021. Just now came back for last 2 months bought all the dlc for cheaper prices, linked up with friend from og days, had nostalgia moments an new ones, but overall I haven't touch game in 2 weeks now. Maybe I'll jump on for the 10 year anniversary but the element of adventure is my main thing about this game an when you done just about everything, I miss that exhilarating feeling when you beat something or found hidden treasures. Having to wait till next year is too far away for me, eh guys I wish felt different but honestly miss the old days..

[@zackphy]

The next step would be to add a new tier of rarity above legendary. Exotics aren't really a tier like other weapons as they're all unique and most have a dedicated source. I think Ergo Sum is a great prototype for a new tier of weapons, everything is random and it's extremly powerful. I want a black or red rarity. These wouldn't have the lockout exotics do of only being able to equip one. Shinies is another example of a good prototype for them, but it needs to go further than double perks and a unique ornament. A third trait would be nice, 2 damage perks and a reload/stat boosting perk could work. I also like the idea of them having random elements and archetypes like Ergo as well. Though that would stop subclass perks like incandescent and voltshot from being available on them, but maybe they could do what Ergo does and depending on the element is what perks it can get. They'd need new unique perks as well unavailable on legendaries. I could imagine chasing a pulse that's 2 round burst, kinetic, has kinetic tremors, one for all and rewind rounds(or healclip). And then some unique trait because of it's rarity like for instance it can charge up an alt fire mode that when swapped to and shot locks non boss enemys in place for 5 seconds, or debuffs them, or another one could be it makes you sprint faster or jump higher or something and have that trait be random as well. All that might be going overboard but I just came up with that off the top of me head so I'm sure some vetren devs could make something better if given time. We NEED something new and unique to chase, not just a tier 5 legendary with enhanced mags and barrels that are basically adepts.

[@iARmusic21]

I think Bungie should make a game that's like the new player + version of destiny where you're able to go through everything from D1-D2 but with your current builds, subclasses, weapons, etc but also with returning weapons from D1 added to the loot pool exotics and all with these improved graphics and everything

[@lewispaolinos2189]

I used to love the game SWTOR for a long time which combined the cartel market (destinys eververse) with the in game trading which used credits (glimmer). However to make it work they used a binding system where once you equip some gear or weapons it became bound to you and could no longer sell that item in game. I think this is a cool way where bungie can keep the eververse store and create like “mystery boxes” which can drop any random gear set or item from the game but if you choose to wear or use that item it comes bound to you and you can’t sell it for glimmer. Not sure of other MMOs do the same like wow (they probably do) but just my personal thoughts on the trading idea.