What is the BEST SMG for DPS (Damage Testing) | Destiny 2 Revenant Act 2

[@ArleneCollier-i2d]

Banshee's multimach with Attrition Kinetic has been enjoyable. I can now relax and farm the GM this week if I can just obtain a Noxious with Attrition Jolting.

[@nottyler6776]

I laughed too hard at “it’s no longer apples to apples, it’s apples to dick” 😂😂

[@turboash78]

Damage testing is the most magical part of the year.

[@thereisnowayyouareforreal5156]

Isn't it though? 99% of the time I'm disappointed but it's still really nice content to watch

[@Snowshill]

riskrunner needs to have jolting feedback added to it, it would fit so well

[@saikopomp]

Agreed it be fun

[@literallyastickfigure]

This would slap

[@jonahbrown5669]

I'd use Riskrunner a LOT more if it ever got that.

[@MrBob-nt9gx]

That would be good on anarchy to

[@bro9759]

Would it even be noticable? The perk already jolts

[@dredgen0268]

My beloved Huck feels amazing lately

[@Doomcrafft-117]

I Love how the Yarovit MG4 SMG with Rewind Rounds and Deconstruct is not brung up since you can spit tons of rounds without reloading it must be an myth to some and I confirm that i do have that role with max mag size too.

[@MrUandB]

Prolonged Engagement with 4TTC and Target Lock / OFA / Surrounded / Frenzy would also go hard. I use a 4TTC/TL for my double SMG PvE build.

[@TheGraffiti600rr]

Man.... Maven did the testing with these boots when the change happened and she said "if you're using manticore, you're trollin". Did something happen? Was she wrong? Was she trying to keep it a secret so it doesn't catch a nerf? The interwebs may never know...

[@johnotron604]

I tried to tell her. It's good to get second opinions with this stuff and do a bit of testing yourself. The dmg resist is what sets this apart from the others regardless even with dmg being close.

[@SensualPeon]

She was absolutely wrong. My guess is maybe she doesnt have the catalyst completed, so she didnt see the full synergy? But even if thats not true, it seems like she just assumes its a shit exotic and didnt even consider it, which sucks. I usually like her stuff but that really threw me off since she took such a hard stance and clearly didnt test it herself even once

[@StardustPrime]

manticore and tarrabah are putting out lucky pants level damage so do with that information what you will.

[@Kinterlude]

She was completely off the mark on this one. I also mentioned that Manticore is damn powerful but she didn't try it properly. Not to mention the damage resist and enemies missing shots, it's so damn powerful now.

[@jimmcmeen761]

The over-shield allows you to proc offensive bull work as well which you can then use to get volatile Rounds and melee damage increase. You can then throw your shield in the air to get your over shield back of it goes off but the volatile rounds are super nice for healing/extra damage. Healing with controlled demolition

[@silentib1534]

The manticore sweep is REAL The glowup of the century I still wonder how swapping smgs would do for peacekeepers since it reloads smgs pretty quickly when stowed. If you managed to get double cascade point smgs it might genuinely put out

[@notzander2685]

I never in a million years thought SMGs would hit even 200k damage let alone 600k

[@odinsonjr0240]

My old seventh seraph smg from all the way back from Worthy, with fttc vorpal has been crispy with peacekeepers

[@cread13]

I have same roll.

[@pack7961]

you can get it from dares

[@cread13]

@@pack7961 ok?

[@Menderino]

​@@cread13Not everyone is commenting something negative, sounds like a deeper issue to your personality traits ngl

[@cread13]

@Menderino what u smoking? The dude randomly responded with u can get the gun from dares. Which no one asked hence why I responded with "?" Because it seamed a bit random to state that when no one asked for it. No one said anything about negative comments.

[@nightismonochrome]

Wish we could get a rewind round + deconstruct smg in there (Parabellum or Yarovit). No damage perk, but it'll show the effects of reloading on dps (or not having to reload) compared to the other legendaries. Pretty sure that's also why Manticore's beat out Tarrabah. Tarrabah had to reload 3 times, where Manticore only had to reload once.

[@Resentful_Wolf]

I didn’t realize parabellum also had that roll, time to grind world drops. Yarovit with that roll is so nice on Pk

[@thatguyyouhate3743]

@@Resentful_Wolfit’s especially nice on parabellum since it has field tested to make the gun feel smooth as butter to use. And the amount of bullets you can put out with rewind deconstruct makes it super easy to get to x5 field tested and have 100 reload at all times

[@seffers4788]

It’s a cool novelty but there’s no splash or anything to make it stand out

[@FaizanMalik-kd8lk]

Been enjoying the multimach that Banshee gave with Attrition Kinetic. Now if I can just get a Noxious with Attrition Jolting, I can sit back and farm the GM this week.

[@ethanhensley9355]

Manticore is one of the best things I’ve ever used up to this point

[@tcritty2812]

I die inside each time i have to see the 10 minute reload animation.

[@ethanhensley9355]

@ as long as you’re getting consistent hits and not missing you can shoot like 90-120 shots, void loader makes it even better I don’t really ever have a problem with it

[@bryanho7376]

Ppl often forget Peacekeepers have an auto loading feature, and it’s faster than the perk. If you use an area denial frame, once you run out of ammo on the dmg, switch to the GL, shot a single volley, then your SMG will be reloaded

[@ethanhensley9355]

@ oh my goodness I’ve been running area denial but I never put manticore away long enough thank you brother

[@Iron_Born_LLC]

@@tcritty2812with void loaders on it’s not bad at all, or use a subclass facet for reloading weapons when you use your grenade.

[@MAAAAWcus]

Pretty sure subjunctive with voltshot and threat detector would lead legendarys due to origin trait. Max nano munitions gets you an extra 40ish(?) bullets past your magazine

[@RedJackz]

Ever since the build battle where Manticore + Peackeepers was shown, I've been stuck to that build like super glue.

[@GochuGugsu]

In theory wouldn’t the higher rate of fire smg’s put out the most damage? That’s how lucky pants works and I imagine it’d be similar to peacekeepers

[@friendlyelites]

Peacekeepers isnt a time based buff it'll leave whenever you reload, so really whatever weapons can reload the fastest AND have the largest mag will get the best boost. Its a sustain damage primary exotic now, so it's ideal pair for bursts is Manticore and for true sustaiN Tarrabah. All around best is probably just whatever SMG you can use rewind rounds + Target Lock with.

[@GochuGugsu]

I think you missed the point of my comment before. I was referring to how fast high rpm smgs get to 20 stacks in comparison to lower rate of fire smgs obtain their stacks. I’m not talking perks: only archetypes.

[@PAID2BFAMOUS]

Don't get me wrong. You're out here doing the lords work getting damage numbers which is great. But WHO THE HELL IS USING AN SMG FOR DAMAGE????

[@nena_._]

Well not boss damage, duh. But why shouldn’t we test for the best smg for ads? This is just easiest way to test

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

People without skill issues.

[@mikekoski7050]

Ya never run out of heavy and special ammo?

[@theremnants6807]

Champions, Solo dungeon boss backup dps and so on...

[@RabiaGunslinger]

​​@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHourwhat are you on about? Did that sound a lot smarter in your head? Using a primary to do damage is the opposite of what you've said, absolute burger

[@randomguy1706]

Osteo has the best dmg because The WHOLE point of the gun is to deal dmg OVER TIME while your using your other weapons

[@o0rolyat0o]

Not really. It takes too long to proc the poison. The dps you add is not really worth the time to switch off your special or heavy unless you are trying to get bait and switch going. Also "this gun has the highest dps if you dont use it and pull out something better" really defeats the point of these tests.

[@ravensirony8415]

Riskrunner has always been my go to SMG. I smiled with delight any time a day 1 raid had arc damage. survivability would never be an issue

[@chaserucker604]

Surprised he didn’t try Yarovit MG4 with rewind rounds and either surrounded or deconstruct. That is easily the highest damage dealing smg with peacekeepers

[@gengarclefairy3475]

Same here, also the parabellum solar smg with rewind rounds and deconstruct shreds majors im sad he didn’t test it either

[@ViniDW9]

prolly not, manticore has the exotic primary damage bonus and it also refills the mag

[@kryatin]

not more than manticore, no.

[@alexcurtis8132]

Hell yea, i tried out my heal clip/adagio with Peacekeepers and its nuts too lol​@gengarclefairy3475

[@huntersmith4287]

It's not I've done dps testing with almost ever smg in the game (smg lover) and it actually isn't very good compared to other legendary let alone exotics even with nam loading

[@Menderino]

I'm still convinced stuff with enhanced adaptive munitions melt barriers faster than something with under over (the latter is good just because it's on fast firing weapons which require you to be dangerously close)

[@CappyBara420]

Haven’t watched the full video but what a dope video 🤙

[@charlied2088]

oh damn, the video I asked for happened! Great vid Cross, As always

[@Nikownzyu]

CANT believe you didn't test the Yarovit MG4! Its a current world drop stasis smg with deconstruct and rewind rounds. You almost never have to reload with it. Under rated asf.

[@consequences1937]

I think huck works best when you are just laying down on ads because of the refill which means you can keep the 20 stacks for longer, in something like onslaught it would go nuts

[@Harrissssonn]

You missed the best weapon to use for dps, parabellum with franzy and permiability, proc unraveling with peacekeepers. i did my own dmg testing, its nuts

[@jeffunpronounceable3538]

Parabellum with Deconstruction and Wewind Wounds. You get that max Peacekeeper buff for so long - it cranks out so much damage.

[@DergyDauog]

Finally. The manticore will rise to its rightful place. I’ve loved this thing since day one and I’m so happy it’s finally getting recognized

[@HaZY.-]

Risk runner may have not output that much but god damn if you’re dealing with ads that do arc and you constantly have conductor up it feels so good

[@SHVDOW-IX]

at 4:24 I was hoping to hear "Tarrabah is META!!"

[@montagor0117]

Got my "damnit" in video Cross lol was fun damage testing and seeing the results firsthand. Be down to do it again if you need me in the future.

[@AlexAlex-ir2jg]

And no one mentioned to add Volatile rounds for VOID Manticore (Controlled demolition or void grenade kill). Something like ~50k plus damage easy. Monticore is real beast here.

[@samperez8364]

I mean in something like onslaught, huckleberry is absolutely goated as its damage potential is virtually limitless

[@themememaster423]

I really hope SMGs get buffed. Sure they're great with Peacekeepers but I'm pretty sure that they are the weakest primary when it comes to DPS.

[@Mateus1598]

It seems like everybody's forgetting that old perk these boots have. They reload stowed smg's real quick. So maybe the best strategy is to combo to SMGs so you don't stop shooting. My tip is to use two SMGs with Cascade point

[@bamsannen]

I’ve been using double smg for fun with banshees multimach and the new arc smg with attrition/jolting and actually was surprised with how feasible it is. Swapping back-and-forth to rock kinetic tremors and Jolt over and over again was putting up some big damage.

[@bamsannen]

Also team Manticore forever

[@z--r0]

Best damage is swapping between Manticore and Cascade Point Cold Front. That way instead of reloading and losing damage stacks you keep dealing big damage at 1000 rpm, then come back to fully loaded Manticore at 20 stacks.

[@RorschachsBlottedFace]

It's about time smg got some attention from testing.

[@mountainman2068]

Its criminal that he didnt try any of the ones with rewind rounds 😔 Ik he said he only wanted to test a few but something i kinda wanna see is the parabellun + stasis smg both with rewind rounds, cause if you swap back and forth you dont lose the x20 buff

[@shredstein]

You’ll never make me give my perpetual + frenzy funnelweb 😤

[@danielwilliams7562]

I love his clan shows up as YAHH!

[@CrispyPommeFrites]

voltshot and jolting feedback are crowd control perks, same as riskrunner, just remember, just because they don't outperform other smg in single target damage doesn't mean they are bad, they just have a different purpose. 🙂

[@jonahbrown5669]

Some use them for their anti-champ capabilities more than for crowd control. Being able to just shoot a champ with a gun, not needing any buffs/debuffs/artifact mods and being able to stun overloads is huge

[@trashcompactorYT]

I knew it was gonna be manticore. I’ve had that thing put out 10k damage per hit when airborne with PKs.

[@itsLumosASMR]

the new smg feels more like an ad clear beast rather than boss dps. It does have target lock though 😊

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

Thankfully I use primaries for add killing and not boss damage lol. Killing adds is where you would find any use for SMGs and imo the origin trait of Noxious is one of the best we’ve had for add clear as it reloads, overflows (all your equipped revenant weapons reload btw not just the one brought out), and does a small bit of AoE that I believe counts as weapon damage and should add to the hits required of Attrition and Jolting (by like 1 hit to be fair). If it wasnt for that origin trait most of these revenant weapons would be dismantled. Well personally as low reload can make me dislike a weapon.

[@95VR407FA5]

Damn. Cross already got the god roll attrition orbs jolting on the new smg

[@TimothyMark7]

love to see the anthem inspired SMG dishing damage manticore needs a new ornament

[@greyklopstock7155]

The biggest one I think you're missing is para bellum with rewind rounds and deconstruct. Cause you'll basically never reload. I think you might be able to get the same roll on yarovit too, but I'm not sure. But the parabellum is going to in theory function exactly like the manticore but without having to float

[@dylanmiller1140]

I imagine the new SMG with target lock would perform due to how easy it is to overload the mag

[@raijinmeister]

Parabellum Frenzy+RR is pretty solid

[@NotTeko]

I think submission should've been tested with an overflow roll because if I am not mistaken it gets like 75-80 bullets in the mag

[@ethanmcguire-zi5rb]

I’m like 176/200 for the calibration part on manticore so I missed out on the full AC-130 vibe in Fotl but it genuinely rocks with PK and the triple or double surge too👌🏻

[@jacobcollier4223]

Hey Cross! Something else too test (thought its less useful) is legendary + legendary and legendary + exotic smg swapping. Peacekeepers instantly reloads them while stowed and grants additional handling, which together is enough to maintain it while swapping between two smgs. You could do manticore with a legendary smg when it makes you reload, and it would keep all the stacks

[@jessekutebua4369]

I believe in the striga. 😎✊

[@Cyrum11]

I’m loving the new multimach from banshee

[@jimmcmeen761]

Parabellum with rewind rounds + frenzy is pretty good

[@mrFelipe15]

I waited until the end for the Callus Mini-Tool test.😅😅😅

[@Avoncarstien]

Manticore *COOKS* people are just hella refusing to believe this one's come around XD

[@raijinmeister]

Yarovit and Parabellum with rewind+deconstruct are very strong.

[@seanhight6948]

Best combo for Randy's is Kinetic Tremors and Gutshot Straight.

[@literallyastickfigure]

For encounters like warpriest, risk runner is funny enough my go to for damage (after i run out of heavy on something like thunderlord or grand overture) because of the sustained arc damage. It puts out in longer encounters

[@Lakrushma]

I think the problem with this testing is, its all done with peacekeepers. Of course every smg with a larger mag size will win since it works similar to lucky pants.

[@illusiveelk2558]

Not testing yarovit and parabellum with rewind-deconstruct is actually a crime. I got my parabellum with the combo, and I'm trying to get a yarovit with the same combo so I can switch between them; bypassing the need to reload and preserving the damage buff from peacekeepers. My guy is literally wasting half of his damage potential with the amount of time he's taking to reload. WHEN YOU ARE USING PEACEKEEPERS, YOU DO NOT NEED TO RELOAD!

[@Suhkneee]

No one ever tests it but the yarovit MG4 gets rewind and surrounded and both can be enhanced

[@makingacomment]

Should’ve tried subjunctive that auto reloads when Allies are near

[@genkioverload4504]

I feel like combining the new jolting smg with either witherhoard or izanagi and a bait and switch heavy could be a good dmg rotation

[@vita4657]

12:02 - you're welcome

[@lrainwater1608]

They need to add a special/heavy SMG.

[@lordinvincible2622]

That will be so cool. With a perk that every 10th bullet hit, burn enemy on fire for 5 seconds and if another 10th bullet hit again before the 5 second up the burning damage increases and timer reset to 5 second again and can only stock 3x. 😅

[@TJ_Sealegs]

Surprised I didn’t see Subjunctive since it has just a goated origin trait

[@orangemonsterOM]

Really do wonder when tarrabah finally get its catalyst, it’s been years…

[@thatoneguy2274]

@aztecross just fyi, support frame boost is a 10% damage boost when it gets applied to you. Someone was proccing it on you during the multimach testing skewing the test.

[@originallyyours3123]

Now I want to see Lucky Pants retested.

[@DiddyCanFly]

My PvP favorite is Bug-Out Bag believe it or not lol at least tied with Shayura’s. PvE is still Parabellum.

[@snottytoe6957]

Should have did Subjunctive. That thing can hold so many rounds with the origin trait so it can maintain the damage boost longer, though it does not have many great damage perks other than golden tricorn

[@TheSaraphic]

I play it with titan and swashbuckler for damage perk. It’s pretty strong you can get a melee kill and unload at 5x damage

[@Ishiisan]

i wish he tried Deconstruct+Rewind Round perk combo

[@jsonross7094]

I would’ve loved to see subjunctive here with its origin trait 😩😩

[@JohnEasy]

Bro you’re a literal content creator. Your job is to play the game, use the resource

[@themediocrethor]

Was hoping to see how the Deconstruct/Rewind rounds Parabellum did but oh well

[@raysolo137]

We tested terrabah and manticore so many times on stream

[@SpitvalvetheClown]

and here's me crutching my Rewind Headstone Yarovit

[@KJKLKL4ever]

Manticore is SLEPT ON

[@DanYami]

Manticore my GOAT

[@EtotheFnD]

MY MOMMA TAUGHT ME RIGHT

[@robertomontes4372]

Shouldve tried an smg with overflow like submission overflow/frenzy, or showrunner overflow, kinetic tremors

[@nullpointer5603]

I like tarrabah for empyrean on solar. Almost the same dps as manticore but great healing as well. Also, i dont like the awkward gameplay loop with manticore. Jumping up in the air for damage is silly.

[@Zomb33]

I would've liked to see subjunctive with its origin trait and one for all

[@hoganlegdrop2409]

Maven says for single target dps it's parabellum with rewind rounds and deconstruct. At least with peace keepers equipped

[@ReeceRacc]

Shayura's Wrath + Unending Tempest can get twin rolls of Cascade Pont + Discord + Nadir Focus, which if you get both is perfect for juggling with Peacekeepers (Too bad you have to play PvP for it though) Or you can juggle Noxious Vetiver with Jolting Feedback and a Kinetic Tremors SMG

[@BlaringKnight3]

While this is viable, the damage buff can no longer be maintained between swaps, making it less effective. Fixed in 8.1.0.2.

[@ReeceRacc]

@@BlaringKnight3 The damage still stays during swaps. They only fixed a bug where the damage buff would stay on indefinitely. It was just worded poorly.

[@Baito009]

I was looking at Randy's throwing knife for barrier champs as well. I was thinking under over with adaptive munitions would be the go to though

[@nikotubbs2006]

But did you test overflow bait and switch on submission? Remember it's craftable and paired with weapons like parasite it would be great for burst damage situations

[@rhyshuber9981]

Shoulda tried the neomuna smg with envious target lock

[@SilasEngelbrecht-h4z]

ANOTHA DAMAGE TEST!!! YAHHHH

[@aaronwilliams6679]

new stasis smg from world drop gets rewind rounds and discord. vanguard stasis smg gets 4ttc and target lock. i mention this second one because its a 900 rpm and not 720 like ra (9:08) is. just an idea

[@EtotheFnD]

I wonder what the subjunctive would've done with its origin trait allowing you to shoot a long time without reloading

[@BlaringKnight3]

Remove Osteo poison damage and then you'll have where it should sit.

[@cjburch24]

Take a shot every time says "oh my god." 💀

[@62478594]

Will you do a hand Cannon video?

[@colemanjones4374]

Is there anyway to preserve both ravenous and the peacekeepers buff on reload? Can you buff reload enough with mods and skills? Can you holster reload and still have peacekeeper buff?

[@thebhoy8561]

Can we get a “best ad clear rocket launcher” next?

[@huntersmith4287]

You should try nam loading its insane how much more dmg you shoot out especially with tarrabah

[@alexandrechampagne4948]

Scouts are not to bad this season