B58 Custom E85 Tune Dyno Pulls + Tune Review

[@kern417]

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[@tiburonguy2004]

love the video and its crazy to see how things have come along with the MHD OTS maps. Made 507whp/590tq on 20.3 psi stage 2 OTS with E40/93 blend. Everyone said dont worry about exhaust after the downpipe, but I welded up my own custom single 3.5" and top end holds power much better now. TU pump, intake, DP and exhaust only 2017 m240i. spool 180 pump and flex fuel coming this week, then custom tune to see what it can make.

[@kern417]

imagine my face when the OTS maps came out 2 months after I got done with my custom tuning lmao

[@tiburonguy2004]

@kern417 right, love your videos man. Been toying with the idea of going to a bigger turbo on the m240i but think I've made up my mind to get an m2 or m4 next spring. Keep fighting the good fight. 10 second dailys used to be rare, now 9 second dailys with the s58's are simple. It's insane

[@slowm240]

@@kern417just got stage 2, thought next step would be tu pump 93 but after research I think for real gains I’m going to do tu and flex fuel kit and get e on weekends or when I can. That should put me in for some solid stock turbo gains compared to stage 2 right? Don’t really want to upgrade turbo, but looking to get like 480 hp comfortably. Also got xhp stage 3 which is such a difference.

[@kern417]

Yes e85 is the cheat code

[@Qarisiq]

Really good, informative, subject oriented video. Appreciated your effort. Better than most thousands subscribed youtubers. Most other videos talk and talk but does not give the required amount of info within allocated timeframe. Well done! And subscribed!

[@bmwsincekid]

You are the only one thats real all the other talking numbers not showing real data and real race!!

[@jaredrichards9479]

Been waiting so long for this video ❗️❗️❗️🤞🏿

[@kern417]

Sorry it took so long 😅

[@ItzMellyMell]

Loving the build man just got my b58 stage 2 mhd with downpipes . Definitely going to look into the Supra hpfp

[@F80Ho]

Straight 🚀 bro!! 😤🔥💪🏽

[@kern417]

Appreciate it man

[@Timilias]

Really good video man!

[@kern417]

Thank you

[@TheStewarts]

Dude please post more of your races love to see the car in action

[@kern417]

Will definitely be posting more races later this year. Currently collecting videos to share

[@JustAwesome2020]

Those are some nice numbers 👍

[@kern417]

Thank you

[@JoseGonzalez-zq7bn]

Awesome man, I’m thinking of getting that same pump, I went with the catted version of the vrsf cat and it should flow pretty much almost the same as the catless. I have the mppsk exhaust and mid pipe. I’m thinking of going e40-50 how much drive train loss do you think you have? Mine is a b58 f30 Xdrive

[@kern417]

I really have no idea but our cars are pretty efficient. I have light wheels, manual transmission, etc so that's on my side.

[@unirapide7726]

Thanks for sharing! Really nice how all three runs are close especially up top, very impressive! I guess it’s a very well sorted tune! Apart from the custom tune the differences compared to stage 1 are downpipe, TU pump and E85?

[@kern417]

Thanks, and yes that's correct.

[@zeitgeist888]

Nice set up and numbers. Where did you get it dynoed at? What kind of dyno? Do they have AWD capability?

[@kern417]

It's at Eurocharged in Cincinnati Ohio. It has awd capability but they disconnected the front rollers since my car is rwd.

[@Starscream8896]

Sheesh good numbers. Im hoping for at least 320whp and 380wtq on my 2019 330i, when custom e tune is done. 295whp on custom ACN 91 with 3.6 gallons of E added

[@Pressplayboy]

Omg a b58 manual 😩😩

[@Lldfvg112]

Can you talk about full E85 on Dorch HPFP stage 1 vs Dorch HPFP stage 2? Stock turbo w/ stg 1 & pure 800 stg 2. Does this sound right? (Awesome vid btw👍🏻)

[@kern417]

Yes I have plans for another video about fueling

[@darrenlewis2601]

I see you went to Dynosty before, but where did you get this second dyno done? I am in central OH, and always looking for good shops!

[@kern417]

Eurocharged in Cincinnati 👌🏾

[@dylandamian4564]

To run e85, is the Bosch HPFP (tu) adequate to run e85? I have heard mixed reviews saying only e50/ others saying full e85

[@lamakicker69]

Pretty sure full e85 actually lowers the power with just the TU pump. For full e85 you need the Dorch stage 2. With the TU pump you should get a decent amount more power on e40-50

[@kern417]

4:31

[@lamakicker69]

@@kern417 must have closed the video slightly too early, sorry about that. So you think full e85 is the way? You don’t get more power with a lower mix?

[@kern417]

You absolutely get the most power with a mix. Even with a dorch stage 2. I made a video explaining why and it should be uploaded in a few weeks.

[@lamakicker69]

@@kern417 awesome, I’ll definitely tune in and watch it once released

[@brakthru2]

Good information! 2 questions. How did you know you had spark blowout? I bought the engine intake and did get a power increase but mostly midrange torque. But, my part throttle acceleration got slower so I end up using more gas around town because I want more pick up and go. Do you feel your making more power/torque with stock box over Dinan?

[@kern417]

It sounded like a misfire but didn't register as a misfire. The car was just breaking up.

[@brakthru2]

@@kern417 M240i guys get corrections on our platform I think a little more the 3 series. You know of any work arounds? I've already tried e50-e65 on the e40 stg 2 hpfp MHD map. Even working on a custom tune. Corrections can get aggressive sometimes. It seems corrections start in the meat of the torque band. Easing into the throttle helps but That makes for slower times. It feels and looks ike the ecu is using corrections to control traction according to logs although DSC full off. Still on TU plugs gapped to .25.

[@kern417]

@@brakthru2 go back to stock plugs stock gap

[@brakthru2]

@@kern417 feels like I'm going in circles. Stock plugs had corrections too. I might go back and see if it's less corrections. Thanks.

[@Asmo6]

I have a 16' 340 that I just did the stage 2 DE pump in. Releasing the OTS maps for the 2+ E30 essentially made getting a custom tune before doing a turbo pointless. There's really no reason to until you get the larger pump and want to do full E85, and/or a turbo upgrade. They obviously have plans to do flex fuel integration at which point the only reason for a custom tune will be a turbo upgrade.

[@kern417]

Congratulations. You just repeated what I said in the video 👍🏾

[@Asmo6]

@@kern417 Yeah, I did. I'm sorry. Listen I really like your videos and you seem like a really detailed and awesome human. But in summary the TU pump does not raise the fuel ceiling enough to be worth the effort unless you're going to flash an OTS 2+ map and stop right there. I sincerely hope this isn't where you're going to stop. The only people putting out content on these engines are YT fuck boi's that aren't half as useful as yourself. I was bored with the 2+ E30 map in a week or two. You'll get bored too. We'll see more content when you do. 😁

[@kern417]

@@Asmo6 there's a lot more headroom in the TU pump than people realize. When I got this pump, there was no stage 2+ tune available. I installed it and went through custom tuning to test myself. Now I'll be going further to show people just what it can do. There are other examples out there if you search

[@Asmo6]

@@kern417 Well, I'll be following along to see what you figure out. I'm just going to do a turbo and make this easier on myself.

[@ganuv]

I was thinking to change the charge pipe .. did you change yours ? And do you think the stock b58 charge pipe will be safe running a stage 2 and a stage 2 + tune ?

[@kern417]

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[@SpiderGamesHard]

I’m looking to do a full e85 tune like this eventually as i hate the idea of mixing and constantly testing the e85 and I live in Cali and don’t have access to 93... but my setup would be a little different. I have the Active Autowerke 300cell high flow cat and am running the Agency power intake on a ZF8 m240i. Do you think that my results would be significantly less impressive with the high flow cat instead of catless and the AP instead of oem intake? And am i understanding correctly that you are recommending Dorch HPFP over the TU for full e85 stock turbo application? If so, stage 1 or 2? Thanks! Always appreciate all the knowledge you help spread for this platform :)

[@kern417]

No you won't have significant loss, but the e85 will clog your cat over time. It's best to go catless with full e85. It will take a while, but it will happen faster than running pump gas. Dorch stage 1 will help with stock turbo applications. Dorch stage 2 for big turbo applications. I wouldn't spend money on a custom tune with just the TU pump since gains are minimal but it works with a proper tune.

[@SpiderGamesHard]

Thanks man! Sounds good, thanks for all the information! :)

[@tavongrant3747]

In order to go stage 2 do you have to upgrade your hpfp? Also what basic maintenance should you do with a car like this ?

[@kern417]

No and just do the normal fluid and filter changes

[@ganuv]

No just stage 2+ you need the hpfp upgrade

[@SteeleMMA]

Wow awesome video I plan on getting a M240 Xdrive trading in my SRT Charger I’d be happy with that power in a little AWD 2 series! I just want to make sure this sounds right tho! Catless DP, Plugs/Coils, Supra Pump, MHD OTS E50, and a XHP Trans Flash! Should be it right? MHD just has a OTS map for E50?!?

[@kern417]

They make an OTS map for E40 and it is strong.

[@SteeleMMA]

@@kern417 awesome been seeing on the 2addict forms this setup with E40/50 run low 11s Xdrive! Pumped just gotta find a clean slightly used M240 now!

[@codskilclanchannel6420]

@@SteeleMMA cool man, just went stage 2 in my 240 loving it but can’t wait for e

[@leukybear]

Thought you would've kept that dinan intake you put on. What happened?

[@kern417]

I didn't see any gains so I sold it and put the money towards tires

[@fronoB]

do you need to change inyectors or anything else when using e85?

[@kern417]

Nope

[@Kazarak]

Hate bothering you on here not sure how to reach out. Is there a b58 Facebook group or chat or forum? I’m trying to find a shop with a 4wd dyno in west coast FL. I found some possibilities but how do they link up with my MHD or connect to my ECU I really just want some baseline pulls to see where I’m at with e30-40 hpfp dp ? Is there a software that talks to the MHD to build a custom map? Ty

[@kern417]

We have a Facebook group called B58 Discussion on Facebook, feel free to look it up. But a dyno doesn't need to connect to your tune. It just measures power when you accelerate on the rollers.

[@Kazarak]

@@kern417 thx I joined ! Love your videos

[@arellano7142]

Nice similar to my N54

[@jpsr20det]

Great numbers , thanks for sharing , l will go your route but with e30 plus 98 octanes and cated dp (Germany its a little complicated with emissions), l do own a manual 340i stock for the moment , probably 440-50 whp with this mods , following your channel 👌🏻 pd ; can you share the logs? If its possible of course .

[@kern417]

Unfortunately I can't. Since it's a custom tune I'm going to keep them private because Paul has his own tuning method that he doesn't want copied. But I can answer simple questions if you have any

[@jpsr20det]

kern417 totally understood, just want it to take a look at some parameters 👌🏻 , you tell enough in vid .thanks again . Regards

[@aaronbearchi]

Curious what IATs look like on these motors with heat soak vs traditional A:A IC

[@kern417]

Temps do rise during a pull but drop back down immediately after a pull. They don't really heat soak unless you're pushing big power.

[@kern417]

I actually just posted a video review of my heat exchanger upgrade. Most people wont need it but it does help

[@nicholassiew1195]

Do you think it’s worth getting the TU pump and running Bootmod3 stage 2+ map when I’m using 93 gas pump?

[@kern417]

Absolutely

[@nicholassiew1195]

@@kern417 Thanks! I have heard that on pump gas, the gains are negligible? What are your views on it?

[@kern417]

@@nicholassiew1195 on Bootmod3 they increase boost pressure between stage 2 and stage 2+. So it has similar gains as going stage 1 to stage 2.

[@nicholassiew1195]

@@kern417 Great! That was what I needed to know!

[@badass1g]

How much $ in mods would it take total with tuning to get the car to this point?

[@kern417]

Just a Downpipe, fuel pump, and tune. Maybe $1500

[@ELKOBRA03]

@@kern417I just bought a 2018 540i I want your set up but I want to run full e85 - I hate finding the perfect mix

[@kern417]

They make ots maps and flex fuel kits now. It's way easier than it used to be.

[@uhZeny]

How much power would be out of a spool180fx you think?

[@kern417]

500-520ish depending on boost and ethanol mix

[@sae.f30]

U can run full e85 on a tu pump

[@FQ1998]

is the b58 engine that much better than the one i have in my 340i ? ( I have TU Pump and planning to roll w/ supra ) ? Help me sir

[@kern417]

The primary benefit of the new engine is it can make more power on lower octane gas. Once you add the fuel pump it gets pretty close

[@FQ1998]

@@kern417 thank you sir. Someone with your experience, do you prefere MHD or bootmod3 for our platforms, & why ?

[@kern417]

@@FQ1998 i prefer Bootmod3 for the features and tuning options but mhd is good too. Bootmod3 was first for F-series bmw so they tend to release new features first

[@FQ1998]

@@kern417 start releasing more videos, big fan

[@kern417]

@@FQ1998 I'll see what i can cook up

[@the_batmobile0.4]

These are all to the wheels?

[@kern417]

Yes

[@the_batmobile0.4]

@@kern417 wow, do u have an estimate of what stage 1 91 octane makes?

[@kern417]

@@the_batmobile0.4 380ish

[@rafaelcardoso6194]

Bm3 is the best option ?

[@kern417]

not necessarily

[@llll-rg3ol]

So does the 440i make more horsepower and torque than the 330i. Seen the 330i on dyno make around 440whp. Thought they had same engine

[@kern417]

Assuming you mean a 440i there are a million variables but no they make the same power all things considered

[@pranaysharma9251]

What clutch you are using ?

[@kern417]

550i oem clutch

[@sukri240i7]

@@kern417 do you have any problems with the flywheel?

[@kern417]

@@sukri240i7 no, i reused my stock flywheel

[@sukri240i7]

@@kern417 did you installed the turbo upgrade and is there any issue with the clutch? Thank you for you're videos. It's help me with my M240i manual.

[@kern417]

@@sukri240i7 i haven't yet but i don't anticipate any issues. I'm going to try and keep torque around 550

[@trooper_f30]

How are you able to run full e85 on stock car

[@kern417]

I got tuned for it

[@trooper_f30]

@@kern417 and has it been running fine?, also how does this compare to stage 2+

[@kern417]

@@trooper_f30 watch the video

[@videogazer801]

@@trooper_f30 the stage 2+ tune will make a little more power than this.

[@dimmacommunication]

is that like 580 crank ?

[@kern417]

I have no idea

[@StevenKenniffALW]

Who did the tuning?

[@kern417]

F80Paul

[@boosted440i9]

Can I get a link to the fuel pump

[@kern417]

Look through my videos. I have one on the pump I'm running as well as discussing other options.

[@vrtah8488]

Still stock clutch???

[@kern417]

335is/550i clutch

[@ItsComet]

stock clutch ?

[@kern417]

No

[@seank2793]

Can you give me your wheel info

[@kern417]

Volk ZE40 18x8.5 et30 18x9.5 et40

[@seank2793]

@@kern417 thx

[@jaggergonzalez4358]

Wheel specs

[@kern417]

18x8.5 et30 /9.5 et40

[@jaggergonzalez4358]

@@kern417 thanks bro appreciate it a lot was n54 fanboy but the b58 is my tea right now

[@fncxdon2377]

What year is the b58 in?

[@kern417]

2016+ 340i 2017+ 440i

[@fncxdon2377]

@@kern417 thanks

[@fncxdon2377]

@@kern417 so from 2017 to 2021 is the b58 in the 440i and from 2016 to 2021 is the b58 in the 340i

[@kern417]

Right, in 2020 the 340i changed to M340i and in 2021 the 440i changed to the M440i. Theh are 1 year off from each other for new models.

[@fncxdon2377]

@@kern417 that’s what’s your Instagram I wanna keep up with your car

[@samuelgrossman1205]

Good video.... but Dang....those finger nails !!!! 🤣

[@kern417]

Thanks I got them at Ikea

[@adolfos.b4010]

Meh I was expecting around 800whp :(

[@kern417]

An few stickers should take me over the top

[@adolfos.b4010]

@@kern417 😂 nice becaerful not to blow the engine tho