Ba-Ado-Mishram's Origin Theory| Wind and Truth | the Stormlight Archive

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[@michaellewis1545]

You know if it is a fun Fandom when you can geek out Hebrew spellings to speculate about twist in an up coming book.

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Things are so much more fun to learn when its for a 'silly' reason.

[@estanteriamalvada6013]

Fun theory! There is a small detail about that Natans and is that they decent from the Siah aimians, also Natans seem to have different belives than the rest of Roshar for example: in Dalinar's vision (the one where he fights the midnight essence the natan woman exclaims "Three gods!" This expression seems to indicate that she either worships all the gods of roshar including Odium wich is weird for someone living in the eight epoch or as Hoid's story indicates they worshiped the moons as Gods i don't know how this ends up being related to the Siah aimians but it most be somehow because they're the real creators of the Natans as we now them today. Also Natans seem to think Kalak is the stormfather (Puuli's interlude) and Natanatan was converted to vorinism recently by force in the hireocracy if i remember correctly and they're considered "pagans among pagans" by the Alethi maybe in that moment the syncretism began? Anyways sorry for leaving such a long comment great theory ❤

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Ooh, I hadn’t heard the detail about Siah aimians! Though I wouldn’t consider worship of Honor and Cultivation during the shadow days to be equivalent to Vorinism, which only worships Honor. Natans may have kept the practices of humans since they abandoned Odium.

[@StringFlame]

Cool.

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Thanks!

[@ryanb4512]

I think it was Oathbringer where Sja-anat said she was really 2 beings connected by a mind across the cognitive and physical realm. If we take that and apply it here, BAM would be 3 bodies (the moons) connected by a mind across the spiritual, cognitive and physical. With presence in all 3 realms, she would be like a mini shard. It’s could also be part of the naming convention with the hyphening. More hyphens, more beings connected, more powerful and intelligent.

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Sja-anat’s POV is quite trippy. There is something going on with the moons of Roshar.

[@hubrisnxs2013]

Doesn't this video accounts for the new Shallan chapters ?

This ^

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Yes, I know she's currently in the Spiritual Realm. But I imagine she was trapped in the physical/cognitive realm and then yeeted into that plain of existence where Connection is the only thing that matters. So If the radiants want to find her again, their going to need to find a place with a strong sense of connection to her. I think. Once the preview chapters are officially released by Tor, I'll do a vid pulling it all together. For now, I want to cater to those who haven't read that far yet. So, enjoy the ominous musings of Doc Brown, and my conspicuous repetition of the word "connection" in the later part.

[@jimboskii2555]

I was thinking the same thing and it has to be where that huge Spren pops up everyday and “borrows” investiture from the locals

[@MeMySkirtandI]

@@jimboskii2555 Have you read or heard the interlude Sando read at Dragonsteel last year?

[@Radiant26]

"Wit glanced to the side where he put his pack. Shallan cocked her head as he quickly recovered, jumping back into the story so fast that it was easy to miss the lapse. But now as he spoke he searched the audience with careful eyes." Does anyone know what happened at this point in the story of Mishim?

[@MeMySkirtandI]

He saw the sand in his bag changed color, indicating that someone was invested nearby. He then scanned the crowd for a surgebinder.

[@Radiant26]

The Story of Mishim is one of my favorite parts in Oathbringer. I just love that Wit chapter.

[@sashacampbell3513]

I love your video staging and the meme-y intro ❤ definitely going to binge watch through your channel to prepare for WaT (oh, brandon, why did we settle on that title)

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Thank you! Please enjoy !

[@mahmodwattar8169]

knowing where she is form the perviews this definitely gives us more of an idea as to how to find her than our protagonists

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Thank You! You got it!!

[@Rhedak]

Good video. The reading at C2E2 indicated that the Gemstone holding Mishram was hidden in the spiritual realm...

[@MeMySkirtandI]

So they’ll need a strong sense of connection to get her back. 😉

[@matiesponja]

Or maybe, mayyybe ba ado mishram is MOSTLY trapped in the spiritual realm

[@drewbos3791]

My theory is that each of the unmade correspond with a fundamental force of Roshar that roughly correlate with the surges. Think about how the Midnight Mother is terrified of lightweavers and how their powers are kinda similar. Also think about how similar the death rattle Unmade and Renarin's ability to see the future are. Coincidence? I think not!!

[@MeMySkirtandI]

There's totally a connection between the Midnight Mother and lightweavers. Not as sure about Renarin's power to predict as a surge since it comes from Odium. But---the traditional 10 surges are really just the 10 forces most easily manipulated by Honor and Cultivation And Roshar is not only of Honor and Cultivation. It was created by Adonalsium himself. Soo, who can say?

[@drewbos3791]

@@MeMySkirtandI Well here is the other thing. The fused have access to all 9 surges exactly corresponding with the 9 unmade. We also know that the singers had some access to powers, as we know from Venlis flash backs in singing with the stones. Powers that I'll bet come from the original unmade.

[@joshualansing281]

Going full Midwestern accent when ranting about Semitic languages was quite amusing

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Thank you! That was one of the first jokes I wrote for this vid.

[@joshualansing281]

@@MeMySkirtandI ah, so it was scripted. Here I thought it was a 'pardon my French' kind of moment

[@MeMySkirtandI]

@@joshualansing281 I mean, I write very detail scripts for every video. But I know that I drag my vowels even when I'm not trying. So why not try when it underscores the point?

[@girlstrider]

A midwesterner and her vowels is a better love story than Twilight.

[@MeMySkirtandI]

High praise?

[@michaellewis1545]

It's an older meme but it still check out.

[@KaydianBladebreaker]

So, are the moons of Roshar a source of power in a similar way the moons in Tress are. Not dribbling their spores, but transferring light energy?

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Ummm, I hadn’t thought of that aspect. But now that you mention it, that could account for why Nomon is more of a pale imitation of Honor, than Honor himself.

[@fhengal]

I find myself wondering if Ba Ado Mishram might be A) somewhere in the vault of Lasting Integrity or B) somewhere in Shinovar. You know... Shinovar... that one story-central place we haven't really explored, except in a very limited sense through Szeth's flashbacks? But I can't remember. Shinovar might be wrong if BAM's is supposed to be in the Cognitive or Spiritual Realm, and I think I dimly remember that it's at someplace like that.

[@MeMySkirtandI]

There’s a preview chapter out to that effect. Which I don’t directly spoil but wrote this to be compatible with.

[@jjoorro]

Your videos are very innovative and touch on rarely explored topics and viewpoints in this otherwise saturated fandom. You have great delivery and are super knowledgeable. So thanks for your work! :) but please please cut out these snippets from disney movies and whatnots... Super distracting, unnecessary, sometimes self serving and also probably taking too much time to find and edit in... Time better spent on content ^_^

[@MeMySkirtandI]

Thank you for the feedback! It’s encouraging to know that my thoughts can be interesting without the memes to underscore the point.

[@idopaz1659]

Actually, the part about hebrew words is imprecise: what is written here is "latet ve-ha'adon lakcht racho misham" which isn't a real phrase in hebrew. The original phrase from the bible is actually two phrases: "arom yazati me'beten imi, ve'arom ashuv shama" which means: naked I came from my mothers belly, and naked I shall return there" The word "shama" is very similar to "misham" in meaning and translation. The second phrase is: "Yahweh natan, ve'Yahweh laqach" which means: god has given and god has taken away.

[@idopaz1659]

Happy to answer questions regarding the hebrew references in Roshar

[@MeMySkirtandI]

You are totally right it's imprecise. It's bad Hebrew grammar and bad as a Bible translation. So I put the disclaimer at the top of the screen "for fangirl purposes only". It seems that Sando takes liberties with Spanish while making the Herdazian culture, so a few liberties with Hebrew e.g. using adonai instead of the name of God, and adding a preposition "from there" which in Hebrew transliteration is perfectly symmetrical, seemed to be reasonable liberties when creating a fantasy world. Since you're offering, do you see any Hebrew references in Urithiru? Or could you point me towards sources discussing the Tower of Babel? Lastly, I'm reading that "Belteshazzar" from the book of Daniel is a Hebrew form of the Babylonian "Balat-su-usur." Seeing Shallan's brother's name intrigues my fangirl-sense. Is that a fair translation? Thank you!

[@idopaz1659]

Using Adonai (meaning: my lord) instead of Yaweh is actually very common as a way to not say God' name in vain, so he actually nailed it. Every tall fantasy tower reminds me of Babel, so I can relate. But the main point in the original story (Genesis 11) is about hubris against god- building a tower so as to be higher than the god themselves, and I didn't find enough clues that this kind of thing happened in Roshar. The scattering that followed does remind me of the Recreance. I think that your translation regarding Balat is fair, though the original doesn't have "t" in it and is Babylonian in origin. Hope that helps