Babylon 5 For the First Time | A Call to Arms

[@martintoggweiler2343]

The technomages we saw in “The Geometry of Shadows” were going away somewhere for safety purposes, but Elric expresses that the mages would be back again in the fairly distant future, that’s not the same as going “beyond the Rim”.

[@geoffharper8650]

I think ACTA really under scores how spoiled we all became with the outstanding music of Christopher Franke .

[@ChristianBoutin]

Imagine Garibaldi dying in this one and nobody's shocked that he's still alive in Sleeping in Light 😂

[@MattIon]

They kept him alive in a transporter buffer **bzzzzzt**

[@yumyumpodcast]

I have softened on Evan Chen's score and appreciate that there are several moments in which it does click into place for what this film and Crusade were going for especially the mystical vibes. It's commendable that JMS wanted a new feeling after B5 and was willing to let an upcomer like Evan Chen have a shot even if it didn't immediately pay off. Perhaps if more time was had Chen could have found the footing, let's not forget that even Franke took a dozen episodes or so to cut it out with his distracting choices like the comedy stings. Although not beloved in this place it seems like Evan was a pretty respectable figure in other music places and found his groove and heck I think he does within Crusade. Sadly Evan Chen is another member of the B5 production that's no longer with us but you can find his streams and work very easily on KZbin.

[@ChristianEwald]

Thank you for pointing it out!

[@jamesbell7696]

It wasn't nearly as bad as it was received but it was just so DIFFERENT from Christopher Franke's score. It did seem to get better in Crusade but it remained unique and different, and a lot of people never warmed up to it.

[@LotusPaintball]

I think you might be underthinking the War Without End future thing. Sheridan did see the future, but he also thought he changed it. He was told that the allies of the shadows destroyed Centauri Prime, NOT the Narn/Drazi. Sheridan doesn't think he's in the WWE future anymore, even though we are.

[@alextaylor1705]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned yet that Peter Woodward, who plays Galen, is the son of Edward Woodward, who played The Equaliser in the 1980s.

[@alextaylor1705]

But yes, he definitely over enunciates 🤣

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Dureena's scene removing all her weapons was cribbed from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome

[@MattIon]

It's a pretty well-used trope. Remember the metal detector scene in "Airplane!"?

[@NathanielMiller]

You guys weren't paying attention to Galen, when he "overdid it" and when he didn't. He was deliberately overemphasizing things for dramatic effect. Think about when he's about to end their first contact ("we should go; I don't think they can detect my probe"), or most of the Drakh-plot exposition. It's much more normal. Think also about how Michael Ansara did the original Elric in Season 2; it was very similarly dramatic. Jeff needs to get his hands on the Passing Of The Techno-Mages book series; it's centered on Galen. Dareena didn't break the cuffs; she picked the locks without anyone noticing. I think the Drakh plan was that they would use the planet-killer and plague to decapitate the ISA, then push the Centauri to become the ascendant power of the galaxy. They chose to use the plague on Earth because, as the show has said so many times, Humans and how they build communities are the glue that will hold the other races together; given time, the Minbari will turn insular again on their own. Sheridan asked Delenn in the future if he could change things; and then went to Z'Ha'Dum to try and change it, even though she said he couldn't. He may think he DID change things, and therefore nothing he saw is reliable. The ISN anchor was talking about a new memorial for the Telepath War being built. And we knew Garabaldi wouldn't die, because he's in Sleeping In Light 10 years later. 65

[@zarabada6125]

It has been a while since I watched Call to Arms but I am fairly sure the thieves guild leader was meant to be blind (hence the "cool" shades indoors). He had delayed reactions to events happening around him and had a lackey on his shoulder whispering explanations for what he couldn't see. My main gripes with the Thieves Guild are the on-the-nose name and that they got spun out of whole cloth in this one movie. If they are as so pervasive and dangerous as suggested, why were they never mentioned in any previous episode or film?

[@MattIon]

".. why were they never mentioned previously?" Because they're JUST. THAT. GOOD.

[@dll_Rhemuth948]

Just so you know, this… And what happens during Crusade is the Drakh War.

[@dll_Rhemuth948]

As a sidenote (speaking of British actors) when Jason Carter was hired to play Marcus, he said he was scared he was going to have to wear a unitard, but later made a comment after seeing his Ranger costume that he could walk onto the stage and perform Hamlet easily.

[@KeithDCanada]

You may want to put a kybosh on the whole 're-score' of that battle scene. There was a guy that was upscaling individual episodes of B5 into 4K, and updating all the CGI into super high detail... an Warner Bros dropped a cease and desist on him. The material that he did though, looked damn nice...

[@hornorsilk2901]

Galen is played by the son of Edward Woodward. And, with the Excalibur, "Arthur" was JMS's intended captain for the ship, but TNT said no. Somehow, Brent got to them.

[@hornorsilk2901]

The Passing of the Technomages trilogies explains things about the Technomages. It happens during the first four seasons of B5, and explains what the Technomages were up to, and they were much more involved in the story in the background, and a lot of misdirection was going on in the one episode we saw with them.

[@MattIon]

​@@hornorsilk2901I love how the books show us in several places alternative perspectives of scenes we're so familiar with from the series.

[@happyman050]

I can compare the music for this with Stravinskys The rite of spring composed in 1917 which caused a riot in the theatre on its first production.

[@jondbm]

Very interesting that all these years later and independently without knowing the guys have settled on a ranking that matches exactly the fan consensus at the time.

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

This is encouraging to hear.

[@brianm22]

As strange as this may sound, this movie was my introduction to Babylon 5. I saw this movie first in the early 2000s and i was a fan of Tony Todd from Star Trek and the Night of the living dead so I figured I would give the movie a try. I Was so intrigued by the characters and the story and the ships that I just had to learn more about this Babylon 5 show. So I bought all five movies on DVD and watched them all. Then I started watching the show about a year after. I remember as a teenager in the 90s, at the height of TNG. I turned to the wrong channel by mistake and saw a glimpse of a low budget show called Babylon 5, and that made me not want to watch it. I’m really glad I stumbled onto the call to arms because that started my journey through Babylon 5. Now I’ve seen the series almost 3 times. Still love it.

[@kirishima638]

Only Brent would miss the fact that the ‘sunglasses dude’ in a dark room is blind 😂

[@MarvinNoFun]

Not only him. Me too

[@raynscloud8072]

I've always thought that Peter Woodward was channeling his inner Nicol Wlliamson when he played Galen. Williamson played Merlin in the 1981 film "Excalibur". Certainly his fluctuating volume and robustness of speaking mimicked much of Williamson's odd vocal inflections in that role.

[@tommcmahan]

I think what the composer of this was TRYING to do was something like what Bear McCreary actually did accomplish in Battlestar Galactica. Bear used drums and percussion for some of the same kind of "effect" that this guy tried with the e-music sounds.

[@dll_Rhemuth948]

What about watching “Babylon 5: The Road Home?” Will you watch that after Crusade or are you not watching that particular movie?

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Well do that one too. Probably the last movie before we do JMS’s autobiography

[@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures]

As a hardcore B5 fan I can confidently state that I've watched this at least one and a half times, maybe even two!

[@hornorsilk2901]

Yes, this is my second favorite of the movies, because I am able to get beyond the music and execution and judge it from the story being told.

[@praiha]

It's been a while since I saw this one, but I think I agree that the first half of the movie was better than the second half. I think it's partly due to Sheridan having to captain the Excalibur, it would have been better if we'd already had more of the Crusade cast there for some more character interaction during the shoot em up part of the movie.

[@Nikioko]

Video game? A fighter, a cleric, a thief, and a mage are a classical RPG party.

[@Zamrod]

And now, it is time to move on to an entire series filled with random banging noises in the background while people are trying to speak.

[@chrism7395]

For the intro music, I was expecting the sound of a rubbish bag getting thrown down a stairwell...

[@andycblack]

My guess was that Jeff would start with the Call to Arms music then stop it with a record player needle scratch sound effect and resume with Christopher Franke music. “There, I fixed it for you…”

[@hornorsilk2901]

I will say one thing about the music: eventually you learn to tolerate it; it's just "there."

[@andycblack]

I don’t think the music is universally bad. Some parts, like the opening of the movie, or the final act of the Drakh, sound good to me and I think work well for their scenes, but other moments, like Durena drawing the attention of the thieves guild, or the big battle, are really not great and feel inappropriate for the material.

[@hornorsilk2901]

The music always has me think of the old computer game, "Future Magic"for some reason

[@alvincura]

I have always found the ship designed to be very space battleship Yamato, especially in terms of the whole wave motion gun firing sequence

[@stevecollette6831]

Random comments: Welcome to TNT meddling with the series. Looking for ways to create spinoffs, new characters, and tweaking the writing. Read more about it after you watch Crusade. Some of the major issues that contributed to the failure of Crusade and B5 on TNT The main gun on the new ships fire in the same way the Vorlon ships did. Watch a battle with Vorlon ships and you'll see the similarities. Based on Vorlon tech which humans cannot fully copy/understand. Build our best engine, but still not enough. One thing that is different in this movie and Crusade - all the ship sets have ceilings. Major change to how you then have to shoot the show. Peter Woodward is Edward Woodward's son. Oddly, his role grew on me over the course of the season.

[@gehrehmee]

The more I've seen and read, it seems like TNT's meddling was directly intended to tank the series and get out of their commitment to it - especially as we get more into Crusade.

[@Florfilm]

There is actually a novel version of A Call To Arms. It's by Robert Sheckley a really good sci fi author. Maybe I should read that some time, because I also really hated the score.

[@MattLathrum]

Robert Sheckley is an excellent writer. I have several books and short story collections from him.

[@Florfilm]

@@MattLathrum I love his novel Options. But his short stories are the best. So funny.

[@ronhaller2143]

I hope you guys go on with Crusade! It was a really troubled production at the time, as you already mentioned the soundtrack sort of sucked (but it actually grew on me… it‘s sort of like a ticking clock) and the CGI is horrible. But I loved the characters and the story had great potential. There are 3 unfilmed episode scripts out there. After I read those, I was really sad about the cancellation: the potential exciting future storylines became more transparent.

[@ChristianEwald]

I appreciated what they tried to achieve in Crusade. That show was really held back by the tiny budget (and the meddling by TNT). I also believe that despite the problems, some of the episodes were strong enough for me to be interested in a second season.

[@hornorsilk2901]

I really wish JMS didn't stop the production when he did, and the next in line script was filmed; it was a needed episode... alas

[@lordpuki1375]

​@hornorsilk2901 he DIDN'T choose to end the show, at least not in the way you think. TNT wanted to make the show "Baywatch meets the WWE in space" and JMS got fed up with their meddling and refused to kowtow to it anymore. The network executives then told him "Do what we say, or we'll cancel it right now!" JMS refused to compromise his artistic integrity. Back in the day when this was happening, JMS was very active on the old USENET chat boards, frequently conversing with the fans in real-time. When Crusade was released on DVD, JMS only agreed to do commentary on the stipulation that he could say whatever he wanted, but WB ended up removing any negative comments regarding TNT...

[@martintoggweiler2343]

If an inspired composer went to WB with a proposal to give ACTA a more traditional quality soundtrack, WB could hook me to rebuy for a reasonable price.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

I'm surprised you missed the obvious "this movie sets up the spinoff series "Star Blazers" 🤣🤣🤣

[@7WhitePhoenix7]

Brent's assessment is 💯% spot on! Half of a good movie where the 2nd half was an abomination!

[@stuartriddell2461]

The music in A Call to Arms ruined it for me. I watched it again so it was fresh in my mind for B5FtFT, and I hate it more now that I did when I originally saw it. I would pay good money for a new version with Mr Christopher Franke doing a new score.

[@ledarbyromeo9667]

NO WAY. yall. Its 2am. But I'm so ready for this one. I just found you guys last month. This was my fav B5 movie. I had a dvd collection with all the movies, plus some bonus material? Its been 10+ years since I last thought if it. And I grew up with a Christopher Franke soundtrack album that I think my sister bought in 1999? I haven't been able to find a copy. Mind War pt 2, Parliament of Dreams, & Chrysalis are the pieces that helped inspire me to become a musician.

[@stevemartegani]

I think the Babylon 5 CD soundtrack collections are floating around ebay

[@ledarbyromeo9667]

​@@stevemarteganiDefinitely gonna secure myself one.

[@lordpuki1375]

I believe that soundtrack album you're looking for was NOT sold individually. It was a bonus disc in a Babylon 5 Screensaver/digital encyclopedia product. That would explain why you can't find it anywhere, you're looking for a piece of a larger package.

[@CallumArmistead]

it's not a bad movie, it's just... crusade style, and it's not great imo.. i would put river of souls above this tbh. ITB has to be number 1 as a part of the main arc. call to arms, river of souls, and third-space are kinda interchangeable imo depends what you like, they are all like feature episodes in different B5 eras. this one is a tricky one, cos it does have some good b5 stuff in it, but it also has a lot of crusade in it, which takes away... 50/50. at least you can watch Star Wreck: In The Pirkining now :D

[@terryhopkins1466]

Hey! Let's make a movie. Let's have a Tecknomage in it. What is going to be the musical theme? I know. We have a Texknomage, how about we make all the music "Techno" Tract. Oh well. That's the ninties.

[@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures]

If only they got New Order or Mogwai or The Orb to do the music, if they wanted to go that way!

[@nathanliteroy9835]

I thought that Drakh plan was quite logical - they went for Earth first, then wanted to take out Minbar, and Centauri were needed as a base for a long term operation. Music really sucks, it gives the inexperienced student trying stuff in his first year of practicing music. I don't know why JMS approved of it other then budget reasons. Oh, and I hated the conceit of the story - Galen has all the information, but he doles it out because the story needs to happen. Whereas wizards and sages say very little because they know very little

[@TynamM]

He doles it out because the technomages are terrified of the Drakh - if you know the full background, you know why - and they'll throw him out if he exposes their hiding place by sending transmissions to prominent public figures. He's doing as much as he can with as few messages as possible.

[@RamblinMan1016]

I think you guys are focusing on the wrong part of the engineers turn. We've seen before the Drahk turn other with keepers to get close and affect to ends they want. It makes sense when you assume that he had a keeper and really had no choice. That's just how I interpreted it anyway

[@robertdendooven7258]

There is no evidence of that in my opinion.

[@stevemartegani]

Very curious what your opinions will be of the Crusade intro now lol

[@busdriverbuddha]

Well, strange as it may seem, rescoring a Babylon 5 movie is something that has happened before.

[@MarvinNoFun]

Speaking of books, there's a novelization of this movie written by Robert Sheckley, and it really is much better than the film.

[@zarabada6125]

So, has anyone recommended "Star Wreck: In The Pirkining" to them yet?

[@MattLathrum]

Please no, that was awful

[@ChristianEwald]

Once you are done with Crusade, both of you should read and discuss the technomage trilogy. I don't know how you are going to handle the books, but if would be great to see what you think of them. Also, waiting for "Brent watches Andor for the first time".

[@chrisharris9643]

I hooe you both read all 9 bookx of the 3 trilogies. They truly do fill in several holes

[@robertdendooven7258]

Agreed. Plus, the one-off book, "To Dream in the City of Sorrow."

[@chrisharris9643]

@@robertdendooven7258 I myself haven't read anything but the trilogies, but I did just get, To Dream in the City of Sorrows. Looking forward to reading it

[@JamesC1981]

are you guys also going to watch Babylon 5: The Lost Tales?? I ask as i dont recall anyone else ever asking and I'm not sure you're both aware of it?

[@lordpuki1375]

They have stated they will be covering everything all the way up to the new animated film, Long Road Home. After Crusade, is the failed spinoff pilots Legend of the Rangers and Lost Tales.

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Yes. Well do crusade for the next 13 weeks, then we’ll hit lost tales and legend of the rangers. Then we’ll do JMS’s autobiography. Probably one big series wrap up. Around the first of the year we’ll start with B5FT2T

[@JamesC1981]

@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime awesome fantastic to hear!

[@andycblack]

@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime oh wow! I’m very keen to hear your thoughts on his autobiography. It’s quite the tale…

[@ii77ss]

Disappointed you are watching in the Crusade in airing order instead of the JSM preference what order the episodes should be watched to get the most out of them. War Zone should be watched 12th. Since TNT reordered the episodes and things flow better watching them in the JSM order.

[@andycblack]

Whatever order you’re going to watch the other episodes in, it makes no sense to me to watch Warzone anywhere other than first. If you don’t want to watch it first you may as well drop it altogether!

[@TynamM]

I'm going to second this. It's really hard to describe how much the original sorting order screws up the series continuity. I'm imploring for all of us: use any other order. Use the JMS preferred order. Use the fan order. But do not show them as aired.

[@ii77ss]

@@andycblack JMS Order 1. Episode 9 2. Episode 11 3. Episode 10 4. Episode 2 5. Episode 12 6. Episode 3 7. Episode 13 8. Episode 5 9. Episode 4 10. Episode 6 11. Episode 7 12. Episode 1 13. Episode 8

[@andycblack]

@@ii77ss​​⁠ I posted a longer main post about this earlier, but it appears to have either failed to post or has been removed, possibly because I included a URL, possibly because I referenced a Patreon post I wasn’t supposed to. Either way, I’ll risk getting this post removed by saying that I have good reason to believe that, unless the guys have changed their mind, they are not watching in broadcast order, but are following a revised order that just happens to have Warzone as episode 1. The order you posted is the order JMS provided to the Sci Fi channel for their repeat broadcasts of the show. This order contains a number of story continuity issues, and a new JMS-endorsed episode order was created for the Babylon 5 chronology published in the B5 Magazine and B5 Chronology book. This “JMS Chronological” order is the one the guys have indicated they will be following (again, assuming they haven’t change their minds since mentioning it). It doesn’t fix all of the continuity issues from the “JMS Sci-Fi Channel Order”, and there is a subsequent, non-JMS approved, order with additional tweaks to fix one of the most glaring continuity issues that does remain. However, here is The “JMS Chronological” episode order: 1. Episode 1 2. Episode 2 3. Episode 8 4. Episode 10 5. Episode 11 6. Episode 9 7. Episode 12 8. Episode 13 9 Episode 4 10 Episode 6 11 Episode 5 12 Episode 3 13 Episode 7

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@ii77ss I would definitely start with episode 1 regardless. It's just smoother, that way. JMS somewhat resented making it, but it's a decent episode, and Eilerson introduction. I would end, likely, with either episode 7, or episode 13. And episode 8 would precede episode 9, due the uniforms.

[@patrickelliott2169]

The music was late 70s/early 80s era "bland", with missing notes, played via 8-bit audio, using speaker clicks from an Apple II (which literally only did one single fake instrument well, which was harpsicord). Only, they never used the harpsicord. Apparently they didn't have the budget for a C64, or it had a badly defective SID chip. lol

[@mountainsofelysium7379]

The music on Call to Arms really took from the movie, changing nothing but the score could really have elevated it much higher. I really like the movie, but the score... the score is not good at all

[@dll_Rhemuth948]

It was Galen. 54:33

[@CaptFalcone]

I looked up Peter Woodward's (Galen) IMBD because I swear he was in a lot of sci fi and fantasy stuff in the 90s. He wasn't really in anything and now I'm confused.

[@BabylonLurker]

Oh yeah, I don't like the music either. It jarring, coming from Christopher Franke's beautiful B5 scores. Otherwise it's a good introduction to some characters who might appear in Crusade. 65! Be seeing you!

[@shannontostanoski9932]

The original Stephen King "Firestarter" (The one with a young Drew Barrymore)... that movie is as good as the book. And The Last Unicorn. But, in general, yes, movies are not as good as their books.

[@TheFireMonkey]

On the matter of the music - yeah - that is agreed on by a large percentage of the fans. Sadly, as Brent said, the same person does the score for the series - for what it's worth, I think he did better in the series but it would have been better without the score. I think that it may be that the score doesn't get better but the mix is handled better...

[@okierazorbacker]

1. So glad you understand Galen. Just wait until you read the Technomage Trilogy. 2. So glad you hate HATE the "music" as much as I. 3. Thieves Guild = labor union. Dureena is awesome. 4. Sheridan's line about conspiracy theories was part of his cover story as new captain investigating his new staff, not a true statement about himself.

[@hornorsilk2901]

Galen really proves much more central a character than people realize, and I think a lot of what was revealed in the Technomage trilogy would have come up in Crusade, as the story progressed and showed what it was really about.

[@oenrn]

I see the Thieves Guild more as a sort of protection racket: pay us a 10% fee and we'll let you do your thieving in peace; refuse and bad things could happen.

[@RCanadian]

Yeah, the movies generally weren't great (In the Beginning was good but only because of Peter Jurasik); this would have been okay, but as you said, the music let it down.

[@andycblack]

Club 65!

[@alextaylor1705]

Yeah, the music. The composer Evan Chen's work reminds me a lot of Philip Glass. Philip Glass was the composer for the incredible wordless feature-length documentary Koyaanisqatsi. Where his music is perfect. Unfortunately music in his, and Evan Chen's style is very "one level", and thus completely unsuitable for the highs and lows of a dramatic series.

[@Klaital1]

Aww you are skipping lost tales? Sad times, as that includes my favorite Lochley story in the whole series/movies combined.

[@hornorsilk2901]

Lost Tales is later. First Crusade. Edit your comment so not to spoil what/who is in it

[@fktrctqd7942]

Смотрю вас из России. Английского не знаю, поэтому смотрю с авто-аудио переводом. Сам люблю очень как "Вавилон 5", так и "Звездный путь". Впервые Ютьуб мне вас порекомендовал, когда вы впервые смотрели серию "Иллюзия правды". Мне тогда подумалось: на сколько та серия в чем-то пророческая, если сравнивать с тем, что сообщают ваши СМИ про Россию! Но не будем о политике. После той серии, я начал, почти каждый день, смотреть все ваши аналитические серии, пока не догнал вас по реальному времени просмотра. Просматривая ваши диалоги, вспоминал сериал (его я видел несколько раз). Очень понравился ваш разбор персонажей, внимание к мелочам. Буду и дальше вас здесь смотреть. По-моему, вы забыли об еще одном полнометражном (6-м) фильме из "Вавилона 5": "Легенда о рейнджерах" ("The Legend of the Rangers"?) Или вы его планируете посмотреть после "Крестового похода"? Еще, как идею на будущее: в России/СССР так же была своя фантастика. Пусть у нас и не снимали по ней сериалы (если не считать детских), но были свои отдельные фильмы! Кое-что из них вполне могло и послужить вдохновением для создателей "Звездного пути -Следующее поколение"!😉 У вас эту фантастику практически никто не видел! Но она есть в Ютьюбе! Думаю, что вам было бы что обсудить, просмотрев ее.

[@Petrosman]

Я че-то не понял комментарий про американские СМИ и россию. Что такого неправильного говорят Американские СМИ про россию? Как они меняют правду?

[@fktrctqd7942]

@@Petrosman Вы явно НЕ из России. Не хочу здесь разводить споры про политику! Здесь обсуждают прекрасный сериал! Такие споры лучше вести в других местах.

[@Petrosman]

@@fktrctqd7942 не хотели говорить о политике, не надо было писать очень непонятную фразу про Американские СМИ и россию и сравнением с той серией про то как журналисты манипулируют правдой чтобы врать о реальности (чем занимаются российские журналисты постоянно, как из РТ, так и в обычных российских СМИ и разных шоу типа Соловьев Лайв и т.д.)

[@Petrosman]

@@fktrctqd7942 если не хотели говорить о политике, не надо было эту непонятную фразу говорить про Американские СМИ которые типа врут про россию (а ведь та серия именно про то что журналисты врут, меняют правду, придумывают новые нарративы). Тем боле Вавилон 5 это сериал комментриующий современный мир и прошлое и будущее и настоящее, особенно политику. А на счет вранья со стороны журналистов и СМИ, лучше посмотрите как врут российские СМИ, как меняют правду такие персонажи как Соловьев, Симоньян, Скабеева и т.д., и насколько некий один лысый очень напоминает фашиста Кларка из В5 (и трамп тоже напоминает Кларка).

[@TheFireMonkey]

SciFi message - We're all hooped! 🐒 - OK, maybe not, but perhaps if we are careless ... semi-seriously: go back to the 1800s and no matter what we did, it could lead to a few bad years of conflict but that's all. Now, in the early 1900 [circa WW1] it was possible for humanity to do a LOT more damage, but still, no matter how hard we tried we could not have done enough harm for the impact to last more than a few decades. Move on to the mid 1900s and we reached the point that we actually have done enough harm to impact us for a century or more. Today - we have the ability to end humanity. Not saying it is likely - it would take a madman who was being support by a lot of equally crazy people ... but as we move on, it becomes easier for fewer people to do greater harm. So, the message: As we gain more knowledge it becomes ever more important that we evolve as a world wide society so that we avoid ending ourselves. It isn't uplifting, it's more causionary, but it IS important.

[@busdriverbuddha]

"In order for it to be music there have to be notes and a melody" No, this is very much not true lol. I hate the Call to Arms soundtrack as much as the other guy, but this idea of music you're putting forward is quite outdated and a bit eurocentric.

[@jamesbell7696]

This. The music isn't "bad" as many people describe it. It's experimental (in western television) and different. It wasn't the time or place for it, I don't believe, but it wasn't "bad" as the term is generally understood.

[@busdriverbuddha]

@@jamesbell7696 exactly. It was just a terrible choice for the show.

[@TheFireMonkey]

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[@NCC-72545A]

The Rangers with the Whitestars are the ones who get leads on a cure. Then the Excalibur goes in to see what pans out. This is my favorite B5 movie. However, it's sad that the ISAS (EAS) Excalibur takes over the position of the EAS Agamemnon as the top tier ship in the B5 Universe. The following is meant for people 18 years and older. If you are not 18, do not read beyond this point. You've been warned. My favorite Sean. (Paraphrasing) Dorina Male Drozzy's have a pouch underneath the left arm pit. Drozzy Smugglers sometimes Use them to get small items into certain reasons of space. Its covered by a skin Flap You wouldn't know it was there unless you know what you were looking for. Captain Anders. How did You know that male jazzy's have a pouch under their arms. President sheridan Well, it's not a pouch, at least not technically... It's a reproductive area ouch 😂

[@tnikiforov]

Im extremely annoyed by the knockoff earthforce merch being worn.

[@Unicronsupreme]

If you mean Jeff's shirt then it's not Earthforce. It's the independent B5 uniform.

[@tnikiforov]

@@Unicronsupreme still a knockoff

[@CaptFalcone]

Who said it's a knockoff?

[@tnikiforov]

@@CaptFalcone someone who has been looking for legit merch for the last 20 years. Now id gladly be proven wrong but i doubt thats a thing